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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Morning, everybody, it's the j Envy Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the God.

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Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest

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Speaker 3: in the building. Indeed, his new album is out right now.

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Speaker 3: One night in California, Ladies and gentlemen, Dietrich had him.

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Speaker 1: Says, blessings and favor y'all. Good to see y'all. How

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Speaker 1: are you feeling today? Hey, man, I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: of the show, big fan of yours. Charlemagne the God,

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Speaker 1: jes big fan. Good to be here, man, Blessed to

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Speaker 1: be alive and well.

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you my brother.

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Speaker 4: Tell us about the sight of one night in California,

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Speaker 4: because you know it sounds sexual. And when you hit

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Speaker 4: from Jesus, you hit that from a godful artist, you're like, whoa.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's all about man. The night I had

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Speaker 1: to reaffirm and reconfirm my yes to my calling and

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Speaker 1: my yes to God, and my yes to my faith

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Speaker 1: in God. And that's.

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Speaker 5: In California. Huh, I said, what happened in California.

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Speaker 1: They had a moment where I just I had to really,

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Speaker 1: you know, make a decision whether I wanted to continue

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Speaker 1: to sing gospel music and represent God in that way,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I was so traumatized by by what

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Speaker 1: I had gone through. I went through a divorce, and

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Speaker 1: you know, and before the divorce process was over, I

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Speaker 1: met my beautiful wife that I loved dearly. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to Dominique, what's up? And we had a baby out

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Speaker 1: of wed locking. For the church, that's a no no.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the divorce, then you got a baby

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Speaker 1: out of wedlock. And once the message the fan is like,

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Speaker 1: you know this guy, this is the this is the

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Speaker 1: well done, this is mister Sinner's prayer, this is the

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Speaker 1: guy he's able to sing all these big hit songs

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Speaker 1: in gospel music. And so I had a season in

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Speaker 1: my life, man, where I just had to really really

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Speaker 1: realign myself to my calling. And it happens, man, it

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Speaker 1: happens to everybody, not just me, It happens to everybody.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to continue to say yes to the

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Speaker 1: calling that's upon your life, because life be lifing.

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Speaker 4: Do you put a lot of or do people in

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Speaker 4: general put a lot of pressure on theyself trying to

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Speaker 4: follow every single thing that the Bible tells you because

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Speaker 4: there's so many things the Bible tells us not to

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Speaker 4: do and we all fall short.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Bible does talk about the straight and narrow,

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Speaker 1: and that's not easy to do when life is giving

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Speaker 1: you twisting turns and pitfalls and potholes, and on the journey,

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Speaker 1: you can get out of alignment with your assignment. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna unfortunately, well fortunately, you're gonna have to continue

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Speaker 1: to say yes to whatever your divine assignment is. Whether

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Speaker 1: you're a pastor, whether you're a great announcer, great breakfast club.

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Speaker 1: You're assigned to this, You're gonna have to continue to

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Speaker 1: say yes to it because you know, there gonna be

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Speaker 1: times when you say, man, I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: want to do this? Is this for me? You know,

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Speaker 1: it comes with the journey. But that's the beauty of it,

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Speaker 1: because that's what ministry is. That's what being fulfilling your

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Speaker 1: calling is. It's blessing others. Why you're bleeding yourself.

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Speaker 5: Now, it's helping. Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, Now

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Speaker 5: you're from Detroit, right, d What up Doe?

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Speaker 1: What up dough?

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Speaker 3: So when it comes to when it came to gospel music,

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Speaker 3: how did you get into gospel music.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I started professionally when I was sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I was a minister to my church choir when I

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Speaker 1: was thirteen. So I was just gifted early and started

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Speaker 1: pursuing gospel. The gospel industry early is sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: So I've been in there for quite some time now.

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Speaker 1: It's about thirty plus years. I've been doing it, and

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 5: So you did it before?

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Speaker 6: It was well?

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Speaker 7: Oh come on, jes Well, you know I still got

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Speaker 7: two favorite songs, amen, because look I was a little

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Speaker 7: dancer back in my day, and I actually I danced

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Speaker 6: Amen. And then never Let You Go. That is a

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Speaker 6: prophesying song.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know just oh listen, she she holds,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, your new album on one night in California,

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Speaker 7: I didn't think of anything sexual when I heard it.

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Speaker 5: Thank You.

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Speaker 6: You got a different you got.

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Speaker 7: Like different feels in it, like hip hop or reggae.

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Speaker 7: Like was that intentional because it's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's the way I approached it. I started

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Speaker 1: just by approaching it that way. I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: just It was a song called I Want My Respect, right,

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Speaker 1: I had just I was just on YouTube like we

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Speaker 1: And I just seen the slow people just running me

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Speaker 1: down because you know, I had my birthday fiftieth birthday celebration.

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Speaker 1: I was dancing and whatever, and people they judge you

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Speaker 1: therapeutic for me when I make music, So I just

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Speaker 1: went in there and said I want my respect, and

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Speaker 1: that was my hook on the song. And so from

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Speaker 1: that song, it birthed all these other songs. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a mixtape. It's amazing that you really check

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Speaker 1: mixtape because I'm saying things that I normally wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: on one of my albums, one of most of my albums.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm singing up in the clouds, God give

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Speaker 1: God to give you glory, are you amazing? Or we

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Speaker 1: worship you? On this one, I'm talking from my heart.

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Speaker 1: I'm sharing what I feel. And that's the thing about

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Speaker 1: a lot of gospel artists. We don't a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't know how to connect to us because we

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Speaker 1: don't really share what's on our hearts. You know, think

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Speaker 1: about hip hop. That's all the rappers. They share what's

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Speaker 1: You hear what Kendrick got to say to Drake, so

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what's on his mind. You don't

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's all glory to God, but it's not

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Speaker 4: like a personal touch to it exactly.

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Speaker 1: And you got to have that personal touch because God

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Speaker 1: So it's all right to share your testimony and share

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Speaker 1: what's on your heart. I'm not saying to create a

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Speaker 1: gospel beef and do a mixed you know, a beef.

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Speaker 1: You know, I ain't saying to do that, but I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: let people know how you feel. So when they hear

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Speaker 1: about Jesus. Okay, he's so way you can sing about

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Speaker 1: Jesus and share your heart because you have to live

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Speaker 3: It's never got a gospel beef though, right, there's never

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Speaker 3: been a two gospel art that's going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Let me take my crazy. It's been beefs, but we

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Speaker 1: ain't put it on no song. Gospel artists beef though,

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Speaker 6: Aliens.

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Speaker 5: And I know, but I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, we don't put it. We're not crazy enough

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff that goes on in our industry, and

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Speaker 1: we're sworn to secrecy because we got to live.

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Speaker 4: We have.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a cold we're spreading the gospel.

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Speaker 5: But without saying names like what, like what would a

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Speaker 1: You'd be surprised what happened between two artists in our

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Speaker 5: You gotta give you something.

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Speaker 1: We're doing a lot of stuff. We're human, we sleep with,

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Speaker 5: Love that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't let me take that. I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: But because I believe there's a standard there's a cold.

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Speaker 1: But see, that's the thing about the gospel singing, the

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Speaker 1: gospel community. You can easily mask what you're doing by

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Speaker 1: I've lived it, I've been I'm an authority in this.

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Speaker 4: One off is more of it is just amplified because

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Speaker 1: Community, right, I think is amplified, and it's happening. It's

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Speaker 1: scriptures and we're supposed to forgive, we're supposed to love

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Speaker 1: scripture talks about wolves in sheep's clothing Now, I don't

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Speaker 1: the gospel music, we're trying. That's that's what it's about.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to fulfill a divine assignment while you're being human.

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Speaker 1: And when that human when when the human side comes in,

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Speaker 1: again back to my song one out of California. You

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Speaker 1: have to realign yourself. You gotta repent, You got to

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Speaker 1: get back on track. You gotta take responsibility for your

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Speaker 1: what your piece of the problem, and keep going. And

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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the gospel.

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Speaker 4: So when it comes to the gospel, is the gospel

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Speaker 4: music is it a sound.

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Speaker 2: Or a language.

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Speaker 1: It's a message and it's a sound, and it's not

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Speaker 1: one thing about the community. We we like to be

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Speaker 1: stuck in a particular sound.

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Speaker 6: You try, He's.

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Speaker 1: Hall, it makes you, It reaches the soul. And so

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Speaker 1: the problem is we're stuck there while God is trying

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Speaker 1: to move us to the future to connect with the

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Speaker 1: next generation. And so the warfare is they judge people

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Speaker 6: Have you tried Jesus?

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Speaker 1: You know why you can't say have you tried?

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Speaker 6: Mine?

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Speaker 1: Jeans jeans all riot and so they say you you

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Speaker 1: trying to be like the world. No, I'm connected. This

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Speaker 1: is the sound of this day.

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Speaker 4: You can tell me married j Oblige. My life is

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Speaker 4: not a gospel song. That's a gospel gospel.

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Speaker 1: When I went to the concept to have my hands right, okay,

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Speaker 1: charge is hilarious.

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Speaker 7: Well, even with that being said, do you feel like

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Speaker 7: you have to fully give your life to the Lord

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Speaker 7: to make gospel music?

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Speaker 1: I believe that singing the gospel, of preaching the gospel

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Speaker 4: Yola ain't gonna let up because on that song he says,

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Speaker 6: Is he a pastor?

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Speaker 2: No, he's a he's a rapper from Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: So that's what I'm saying, Uh, Dietrich, I'm saying, like,

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Speaker 6: What is your opinion?

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Speaker 1: Well, let everything to have breath, praise the Lord. Everybody

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what's missing missing from a lot

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Speaker 1: Man, A lot of a lot of artists are really

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Speaker 3: So when you speak about those gifts, you also write

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Do you ever feel a way like no, I can

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Speaker 3: You read and root for us. You don't wrote for

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: I can write a love song better than probably anybody

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Speaker 1: is that. I was like, man, hey, this is our gift.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Then you ask me how

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Speaker 4: When you write for others, and do you try to

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Speaker 1: No, I can't be concerned about how people feel about

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Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, I help you

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Speaker 2: And you a PK? Right?

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Speaker 1: They say the p ks are the worst kids, man,

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be the perfect example of truth. You know

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Speaker 4: Did your did your father your father's Bishop Clarence be

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Speaker 6: Oh you were one said that you was called to

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Speaker 6: Like how was that experience?

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Speaker 4: Wow, I saw in the song my respect you say

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Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not I'm not. I'm just saying, hey, look,

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Speaker 4: Bell, Bell, I'm thinking about my God, God, God.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotch no no, no, no disrespect to Gina Bell.

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Speaker 1: But there's I want to tell everybody there's a whole

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Speaker 2: Them well in the God music.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, she knew my songs that I just know,

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Speaker 2: Who are yours?

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Speaker 7: so we have Yolanda Adams do. I do like Hezekya Walker,

440
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Speaker 7: like the greatest, Fred Hammon, Dietrich heading and I grew

441
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Speaker 7: up on Dietrich Headen and.

442
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Speaker 6: Uh Tie Tribute. Those were my two favorites.

443
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Speaker 2: Of course.

444
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Speaker 7: Then you go to women and C. C. Wine and

445
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Speaker 7: bbe One, you know all of them. But yeah, I

446
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 7: like the men. The men prophesied you not no discredit

447
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 7: and to the women. But you know, like when you

448
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 7: want to really feel, like when you're going through something,

449
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Speaker 7: you can play a song.

450
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Speaker 6: You can cry through the song. That's different.

451
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Speaker 7: That's your Fred Hammond's, that's your Dietricks, those are your

452
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 7: you know, like, that's what I like.

453
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Speaker 3: She has the perfect balance of righteous and ratchets. It's crazy,

454
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 3: crazy and sexy read and glow Reller like. She is

455
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Speaker 3: the perfect balance. She loved music.

456
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Speaker 1: I love it too, man. I listened to it all.

457
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Speaker 1: I listened to it all. It's incredible.

458
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Speaker 5: Now there was a past of that. I told a

459
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Speaker 5: woman to hush during during worship.

460
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Speaker 2: Henderson, man, what do you mean respect?

461
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Speaker 1: Respect?

462
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Speaker 5: And you was you was kind of upset about that.

463
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Speaker 1: I wasn't upset. I just had a perspective. I got them.

464
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Speaker 1: I got the utmost respect for Pastor key On Henderson.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't want him feel like Dietrick is out for him,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, but uh, I just don't agree with how

467
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Speaker 1: he handled that matter. You know. I think that you

468
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that's one of your sheep.

469
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Speaker 1: You're the shepherd, and you're responsible to cover her. And

470
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Speaker 1: if she's crying, it means she's hurting. And if she

471
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Speaker 1: if you, and also could mean that you're you said

472
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Speaker 1: something that impacted her. And if people can't holler in church,

473
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Speaker 1: what can they holler? Sometimes that's all that's the only

474
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: thing they could do is to get to church and

475
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Speaker 1: just let it out. You know, you'd be surprised what

476
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Speaker 1: people are going through through the week. So me personally,

477
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: this Dietrich, if you come to my church, you can

478
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Speaker 1: holler from the point that you get walked through the

479
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Speaker 1: door to the end. Because I understand people need God,

480
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Speaker 1: they need help, and they need a place where they

481
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Speaker 1: can release. And I've been in church all my life,

482
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Speaker 1: talked about my dad, Biship Hadden. I just never seen

483
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Speaker 1: me personally, I've never seen any pastor hush a woman

484
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Speaker 1: up like that. It's a new day, so it's a

485
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Speaker 1: new so, but I'm old school when it comes to that.

486
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a young man, but I got old school

487
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Speaker 1: principles when it comes to church, Like the church belong

488
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Speaker 1: to dance people. That's where people supposed to praise, that's

489
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Speaker 1: where they're supposed to cry. When the Holy Spirit moves

490
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: on them, you hold back. It's not about you, it's

491
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Speaker 1: about God moving for the people.

492
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Speaker 2: Now, let's play. Let's play.

493
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say Devil's advocate, my boy, God,

494
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Speaker 4: don't don't because fatter Keon said that this wasn't an

495
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Speaker 4: isolated incident, and I don't know. I'm not saying that

496
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Speaker 4: this is what happened if you in church. I'm just

497
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Speaker 4: using a scenario you in church, and it's a person

498
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Speaker 4: that comes to church all the time and they always

499
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Speaker 4: they go live while they're in there, and they cut up.

500
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Speaker 4: I mean they cut up. I mean they act like

501
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Speaker 4: they got the Holy break, dancing on the floor. I

502
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Speaker 4: mean they're just going crazy every service, and they kind

503
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Speaker 4: of being disruptive. Would you be like, all right, sister,

504
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Speaker 4: all right.

505
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Speaker 1: Brother, No, I will never hush them because I understand

506
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Speaker 1: they may have a husband, son, daughter, family and they're

507
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: coming after you after church's services. If you hunch my

508
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: mother up, I dare yeah, how much I sing the gospel,

509
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Speaker 1: I'm coming after you. So you got to use wisdom

510
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Speaker 1: right there. Especially, I come from a deep the hood.

511
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Speaker 1: Our church was in the hood. We had six crack

512
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Speaker 1: houses on the block, and the neighborhood would come to

513
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Speaker 1: our church. So you can never do anything like that

514
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Speaker 1: where you disrespect somebody's auntie mother. It's a rap. If

515
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Speaker 1: you do that, you may get shot after church after

516
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Speaker 1: you done hollered the preaching save somebody else. You done

517
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Speaker 1: lost your life over disrespecting somebody. So I just don't

518
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Speaker 1: agree with that. Now, if you know that person is

519
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Speaker 1: dealing with that issue, you're the shepherd. You know that

520
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 1: they've been there, it's not the first time issue. So

521
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Speaker 1: you handle them with care because you know that they

522
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Speaker 1: have some maybe mental issues maybe, So you tell your

523
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Speaker 1: deacons armor bird say go tell them, you know, go

524
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Speaker 1: do that. You know what I'm saying, But you never

525
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Speaker 1: do that.

526
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Speaker 2: You don't have a conversation privately or.

527
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Speaker 1: A man I was. I was in contact him with

528
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Speaker 1: him sometime in the past. But I don't I don't

529
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I don't force relationships at all.

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Speaker 7: And something and to your scenario that you just gave Charlemagne. Sometimes,

531
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Speaker 7: like you, it's other people in place for that. You

532
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 7: got uh ushers, you got overseers, you got deacons, like

533
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 7: prayer warriors will go in try to calm that, try

534
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Speaker 7: to calm that person down, still not shushing them, but

535
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Speaker 7: covering them and prayer. You know, if somebody falling out

536
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 7: on the floor, okay, they'll go get something to cover.

537
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 7: If it's a woman, gets something to cover her, pray

538
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Speaker 7: her start, you know, really really prophesying and you know,

539
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Speaker 7: ministering to her to like kind of calming down. If

540
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 7: it is just an act, there is no shush because

541
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Speaker 7: my church in the hood too, you And he's right

542
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Speaker 7: about everything he said, like we have my church, and

543
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Speaker 7: then we have a church right next to us, and

544
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Speaker 7: then like houses across the street that are vacant, you know,

545
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Speaker 7: gas station, hood marks like stuff like that. So you

546
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Speaker 7: just never shu because you how can you tell when

547
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 7: somebody is not being serious. Everybody don't have the spirit

548
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 7: of speaking in tongues. Everybody don't know. Sometimes all you

549
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 7: can do is just how to hug yourself, run around

550
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Speaker 7: the church.

551
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Speaker 6: It's all about how the spirit moves you. So you

552
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Speaker 6: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I say, you just let it be, let it, let it,

554
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Speaker 1: let him go until they calm down. You know, you're

555
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: there so people can get their breakthrough. That's why you

556
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: are preaching, you know, that's why you're sharing the gospel

557
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: so they can get that moment, have that moment of release.

558
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Speaker 1: So I would leave that alone. So that's how I

559
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Speaker 1: would have handled it. You know, every two each his own.

560
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: Every man governs their house differently, so you know, however

561
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Speaker 1: he wanted to do it, that's how he did it.

562
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Speaker 1: But people asked me, dit, what would you do? I

563
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Speaker 1: told him, you know, I'm very vocal about it, and

564
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Speaker 1: that's whatever.

565
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Speaker 2: You got the blue rag around your neck?

566
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: No, no, it's a style, you know. I love I

567
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Speaker 1: love style. Man.

568
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all right. Now, we had Charlie Wilson on

569
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Speaker 4: the show If Charlie Wilson, the Legend, the icon, and

570
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Speaker 4: he was kind of critical of art and be artists

571
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: who make gospel music, oh, you know, just to get

572
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Speaker 4: radio play or use the format to get a hit song.

573
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Speaker 4: If I remember correctly, he said that that's what people

574
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Speaker 4: do when.

575
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: Nothing's working for them. Oh and the other genres of music.

576
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Speaker 1: It's the truth, man. I wish I could say differently.

577
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Speaker 1: And I'm a fan of a lot of artists, man,

578
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Speaker 1: A fan of you know. I love artists, whether it

579
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Speaker 1: be actors, whether it be Will Smith doing his gospel song,

580
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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his, whether it be Kanye

581
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his previous work as a producer.

582
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: I respect him highly. But that seems like that's the

583
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: trend now where people when they're kind of falling off,

584
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Speaker 1: they look to God, they look to the church, and

585
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: they go because they can easily get a number one

586
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Speaker 1: among church folk. Because church folk, we're just so glad

587
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: you done came in here. Just give Will Smith ahead,

588
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Kanye left, and we give him number one. They overwrite

589
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Speaker 1: anybody else that's been in the gospel industry. We give

590
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Speaker 1: you all the number ones. I got a problem with

591
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: that piece this, that little piece right there. But I

592
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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with them making their gospel songs.

593
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Speaker 1: But but there's something there. Those of us that are

594
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Speaker 1: in it, we live it, We live, eat breathe this.

595
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: It's like hip hop. There are people that live, eat

596
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Speaker 1: breathe hip hop. We live, eat breathe this gospel, and

597
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: so when you come in, we expect you. When you

598
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: do that, we're like, okay, you coming in, brother, you're

599
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: coming in. You're gonna help us build this thing. We

600
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Speaker 1: go on to the next level. Then you go, you

601
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: get your number one, You back with people loving you again,

602
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: and where you at what we thought you was? Now

603
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Speaker 1: you're doing what you're doing.

604
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Speaker 5: You got your wife walk around naked but naked we

605
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Speaker 5: thought you.

606
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Speaker 1: Was mister Sunday Service number one album number one. You

607
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: got your number one?

608
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Speaker 2: Are you gone?

609
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Speaker 5: But could it be like that?

610
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Speaker 3: That's how he felt in that moment, like when he

611
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: created like, for instance, we can go even further back

612
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: with Jesus Walks right.

613
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Speaker 5: When he did Jesus Walks, that's the gospel record right,

614
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Speaker 5: yeah to me.

615
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Speaker 3: When he did that, that was when when he put

616
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Speaker 3: that out, people were like, what the hell are you doing?

617
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Speaker 1: Right?

618
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Speaker 5: And it was on the gospel charts and hip hop charts,

619
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Speaker 5: so it opened up.

620
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Speaker 2: A world of people, Oh, Jess Walks into the gospel charts.

621
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Speaker 5: Uh huh, I think it did.

622
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Speaker 3: I think they were playing it like crazy tis everywhere

623
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Speaker 3: And even when he did his Sunday Service, a lot

624
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: of people came out there for worship that usually or

625
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: maybe wouldn't go to churches often.

626
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Speaker 1: What message are you sending now because you ain't doing

627
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Sunday service no more, You ain't singing no gospel music

628
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: no more. Now you cussing and acting like you ain't

629
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: never never knew Jesus.

630
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Speaker 3: But then we could talk about pastors and preachers that

631
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: that that have been preaching and now what they doing

632
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: Now they're they're fake prophesied and they're cheating, they're doing

633
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: something like that.

634
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Speaker 5: So it's kind of the same.

635
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: Everybody gonna have a give an account for what they're doing, correct,

636
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, that judgment day

637
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: is coming for all of us. I'm not here to

638
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: judge nobody. I'm just telling you what I don't like

639
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: to see because I live this gospel. Because we see

640
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: Snoop doing Snoop did the gospel, and I'm a big

641
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Speaker 1: Snoop fan.

642
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: Yes you got a Grammy for it.

643
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Speaker 1: What I just what I like about Snoop. Though Snoop

644
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: went and got the artist in the genre and put

645
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: it on the album, it wasn't just about Snoop. He

646
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: brought Rance Allen, who was like the greatest male vocals

647
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: of all the time who never really got his respect.

648
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: He gave He got a number one song with Ran Salin.

649
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: So we look at that. As gospel artists, we like

650
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: man Snoop is really about that. He's in it. He

651
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: loves gospel music. He may not have the conviction, maybe

652
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: have some weaknesses and things like that, but we know

653
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: he loves gospel music because we've seen who he pulled together.

654
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: You got the artist, not just the big names that

655
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: everybody always go to. You went and got the artists.

656
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: So you love the genre, you love the community. But

657
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: other ones, I don't see what's going on. I don't

658
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: see you. You still doing you trying to? I don't know.

659
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm not here to judge, you know what.

660
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: It sounds like a little bit, you know how when

661
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: the country artists be like, don't do no country records.

662
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: Like you you stay in your arm b but like.

663
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: No, if I want to try country because country is

664
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: in my heart and this is how I'm feeling right now,

665
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: you should.

666
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: Be able to express yourself in that way.

667
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: I feel like bigger than a genre of music for y'all, though,

668
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: I think in a way it's like I guess that's

669
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: the way, stop stop playing with God.

670
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, boom boom, you said something about country music. That's

671
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: what I love about country music. I think Beyonce deserves

672
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: to do any country song. She's from Texas. She lived

673
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: that life, you see what I'm saying, So she can

674
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: do that. But I like the fact that they have

675
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: some guardrails up where you gotta come through somebody to

676
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: just you ain't gonna just make a country song. You

677
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: gotta They make you work for it.

678
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: They gonna box you out right gospel music.

679
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: You just anybody can wake up tomorrow and say I

680
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: want to sing gospel because I'm falling off and I

681
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: want to do I want to get that number one.

682
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: I know the community gonna support me. Then they get

683
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: that number one, then they're gone. Where are the guard rails?

684
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Where are the people to say, no, man, you what

685
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: you're doing. You gotta live this thing. Bro, you can

686
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: do your gospel song, but don't play with us. Don't

687
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: play with God. Where the people at? Where the leaders at?

688
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying That gatekeepers, I mean leaders

689
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: in hip hop. You can't just up and just if

690
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: you ain't really about that life. Man, they don't take

691
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: That's what Kendrick said, no, you Drake, you are you

692
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: really about this?

693
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

694
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: It's like, man, it's guardrails bro you you you Doe

695
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: came in and you did what you did. But that's

696
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: enough if you go if you're gonna be about it,

697
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: you gotta really be about it. That's what he's saying.

698
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: Somebody could say that about preachers and pastors and people

699
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: in the church too, right.

700
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: We talk about if you're gonna be about it, you

701
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: be about it.

702
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: But they will hear preachers and pastors and deacons that

703
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 3: people look up too because they're in the church. They

704
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: read the Bible, they take the classes. They are more

705
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: you think, tied into quote unquote regular people. But then

706
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: when you see them doing some foul, it's it's the

707
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: same feeling.

708
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: The same feeling.

709
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: Man.

710
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta you gotta hold people accountable. I'm

711
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: not here to cover nobody that. If you're doing wrong,

712
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: you somebody gotta hold you accountable.

713
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

714
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, back to the music, It's like, yeah, man,

715
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: we want we want people to really because it's people

716
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: that's really sacrificing. Man, to stay in this. I've turned

717
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: down at least five secular record deals on my journey

718
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: because it's a calling. You know what I'm saying. I

719
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: signed a deal with Erasion. It was done when I

720
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: was a kid. I walked away from it because this

721
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: is a calling. And now to see you just come

722
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: in and just do what you want to do and

723
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: then walk away and just don't it don't sit right

724
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: in in my heart or anybody else's heart who've been

725
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: living this thing. Sacrifice. We can make money just like

726
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: anybody else. I'm not singing gospel because I couldn't make

727
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: it anywhere else. I'm doing it because this is what

728
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: this is me since I was a kid. This is

729
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: my assignment on earth. You got to understand that when

730
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: you decide to and I'm not telling anybody not to

731
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: do this gospel, but really consider like this is a

732
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: real thing where we make sacrifices. When we want to

733
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: go out and have sex with we can't. We want

734
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: to go out and do this, and that we can't.

735
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: It's a sacrifice. At least we have that hard to says, man,

736
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that because I'm singing this gospel.

737
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. It's a sacrifice. It's a

738
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: lifestyle even when you fall short at least I'm over

739
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: here trying.

740
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 4: Do you feel pressure to maintain an image because you

741
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: are a man at the church, That's all I saw it.

742
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: They got a little upset with you because they saw

743
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: your wife turking, And.

744
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, my wife wanted I wanted to enjoy herself.

745
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: I love every single bit of it. I'm a man's man.

746
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit. Why we think the Holy Spirit.

747
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Can't show up in a work, Oh yeah, because that's

748
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: that's my wife, that's my significant others. The Bible says,

749
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the marriage bed is under found. What we got going

750
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: on between us ain't none of your business. And if

751
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I let you in on my life, give you a

752
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: little clip of something. Just enjoy I'm letting you in

753
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: all my life. I didn't have to do that. I'm

754
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: trying to show people how to live this kind of

755
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: life without losing your integrity. Just enjoy yourself. You know

756
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Jesus said I come that you might

757
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: have life and have it more abundantly. Christians got it wrong.

758
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: He came so you can enjoy this life without going

759
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: down the whole of sin. You see what I'm saying,

760
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: And That's what he showed us. That's what he showed us.

761
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Jesus went to the wedding, turned the water into wine.

762
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: But guess what he did when he got done doing that,

763
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: He went to healing and fulfilling his assignment. He went

764
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: to the cross. So he's showing you balance. And so

765
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say the people that got

766
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: a problem with my freedom. I know my freedom offends people,

767
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: but I can't help that. I'm living my life. When

768
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: I get done dancing, guess what I did the next

769
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: day after my birthday, went to church, to my church

770
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: and preached the gospel. When the next day and we

771
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: had a concert, Hezekon Walker came shout out to Lily

772
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: and Lord she came. All everybody came on through. We

773
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: had We had a holy goost, good time. You know

774
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I believe in balance. I live it,

775
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you know. And for people to really understand me, I'm

776
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: not a religious person. I don't do all the dudes

777
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: and daunts and rules and regulations. I come from that.

778
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: I've been delivered from that. I told you my father,

779
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: they sit you on the front row where you fall short.

780
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you know already repented to God,

781
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: but you gotta go in front of the whole church

782
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: and be embarrassed. I've been set free from that. So

783
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: anybody just come. If you trying to judge me through religion,

784
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: we not. You're gonna never see me worthy. I'm a

785
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: spiritual person. I walk with God every day. I prayed

786
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: before I got up and came here. What do I

787
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: need to say? Use me? You know what I'm saying. Absolutely,

788
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: that's it, so but so so people for them to

789
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: really understand me, Just no, I'm not I'm not religious,

790
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: and I don't have a judge in bone in my body.

791
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I may have strong opinions, but even at that, I'll

792
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: let go and I give people the grace and space

793
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: to figure it out themselves. I'm not here to judge anybody,

794
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, Uh necessary.

795
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 4: We say that, but we do judge, and I don't

796
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: think there's anything wrong with judging. Like I'm not condemning

797
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 4: a person, but I will see something in processing in

798
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 4: my mind on whether I agree with that or disagree

799
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: with that, or you.

800
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: Know, to judge just to come to a conclusion on somebody,

801
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: that means the end, that's it. That's what I think

802
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: about you. I'll never die.

803
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, that's what I guess.

804
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I say, I don't condemn.

805
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: People that may be the space that you're in right now. Like,

806
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: even though I was strong about Kanye, I believe that

807
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: he needs the grace and space to find his way

808
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: back to whatever that relationship is with God. You know,

809
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: so I'm not here. I haven't come to a conclusion

810
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: on him. I haven't come to conclusion on nobody. Because

811
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: people go through seasons of their lives.

812
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: Can you come through can you come to personal conclusions

813
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 4: about the person meeting? Like, No, I'm not saying that

814
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: this person is that. I'm just saying I've seen enough

815
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: for this to know this ain't what I want in

816
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: my life.

817
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Man, I've made such a mess on my journey. I

818
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: haven't been perfect, and people will be completely wrong if

819
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: they came to a conclusion on me.

820
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: But you got to get people distanced though, I mean,

821
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: you got to distance yourself from some people because you

822
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: know they're not good for you.

823
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't firmly believe that either. Man Jesus didn't con

824
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: distance himself from the lady that was called the act

825
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: of adultery. They wait, they caught that woman with her

826
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: legs up in the room having sex, doing whatever she

827
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: was doing. Lady, the Bible, you know the woman that

828
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: was Yes, yes, I don't know if it man.

829
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: What was it?

830
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen that scripture legs up in the Bible.

831
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm giving you a painting the picture for you. The

832
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: Bible said she was caught in the act. What was

833
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: that act?

834
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: We don't know, I do, I never do.

835
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: Was the act of sex?

836
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that she was caught in the act

837
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: of adultery, was in the bed with another man that

838
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: wasn't hers. They snatched her up in the act, brought

839
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: it before Jesus, and we know what she did. We

840
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: just got it out of the bed. What you got

841
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: to say about that?

842
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: That is the most playing, hating, cock blocking thing I've

843
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: ever heard of my life. You snatch a woman out

844
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: while she's getting some actions.

845
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: This is the Bible. I'm telling you.

846
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: Just but why, he says, guess what Jesus did. He

847
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: didn't put He said, I'll deal with her later. Let

848
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: me deal with you the one that put her in

849
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: front of me? He said, Ye, that's without seeing cast

850
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: the first one. You know good and well, you got

851
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: your own dirt. I'm not gonna disconnect myself from her

852
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: in her low estate or when she's trying to figure

853
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: it out. It's a reason why she's dealing with what

854
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: she's dealing with that started early in her life. Jesus

855
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: is dead to love people in whatever state they're in, period.

856
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 5: But what if that is to your detriment?

857
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I'm with you on everything.

858
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's people that need help and and going through

859
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: things that I pray for them the best, but I can't.

860
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: Even help them to a point.

861
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: But when they want your detriment, when they's somebody that's

862
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: trying to hurt you, yes, that's taking your the love

863
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: or are the things that make you happy in your

864
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: life and trying to turn it around. How do you

865
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: stay I'm gonna help that person, or I'm still gonna

866
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: show grace to that person.

867
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: That's the price of the cross man, that's the price

868
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: of walking with Jesus. That's what Jesus did. He took

869
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: on all of our sins to the cross at the

870
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: price of people coming to conclusions on him. The people

871
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: who put him on the cross. Were people saying he's

872
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: a he's this, he's that, and that they lied on him.

873
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: It was his character was was on the on the judgment,

874
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: you know. And Cross the Bell said again.

875
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: What about the saying it ain't my cross the.

876
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: Bell, it's your Listen, if you called to help people,

877
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: you can't worry about what people think about what you're doing.

878
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: You got to go do it. That's what Jesus did.

879
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: That's what if it's not mine, Cross the Bell.

880
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: If it ain't your cross the bed, then you leave

881
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: it alone after.

882
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 7: You.

883
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: But if you're representing Jesus, you can't worry about what

884
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: people gonna think about you. You got to go in.

885
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: When everybody turning their backs on the individual, you gotta

886
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: go in.

887
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 5: But you go in.

888
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: But what about something that's evil? Right, that there is

889
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: no turning back, That their whole existence is evil and

890
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: no matter what you do, and no matter how you

891
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: try to help, they are the devil.

892
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: I feel I feel like saying somebody's whole existence is

893
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: evil is condemning them.

894
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: I don't believe that everybody's whole, entire existence.

895
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: And some people that's got this full of the me too.

896
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 6: I'm like, where are we going is evil? What is

897
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 6: it are we doing in Exasus?

898
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: So if some people are full of the devil, what

899
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: do you do?

900
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 6: You lead them alone? You pray for them, That's what

901
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 6: I would think.

902
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 5: But I'm away from that.

903
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: But for me, you just pray for that person because

904
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 6: obviously that ain't a job for man. That's not a

905
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 6: job for man. That's that's a job for God.

906
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: And Dandrick. You got a song called save.

907
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: Yourself, Yes, sir, I wrote that song the Bible does

908
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: to save yourself from this untoward generation. But you gotta

909
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: love people, man, no matter what. And that's that's the

910
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: part of the job. That's the part of the job. Man.

911
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Some people come to your church, your pastor, and people

912
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: just got off death row, just barely made it. You know,

913
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: you gotta love them. Some people have done the worst

914
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: things ever, that's your job. Jesus belongs to everybody, and

915
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a representative of Jesus, you

916
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: can't worry about what people think. You gotta always be

917
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: the one to go drawing closer to people. And if

918
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing, if you do, against all odds, love

919
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: people through it all, and you still do what you're doing. Hey,

920
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: that's that's on your record on Judgment.

921
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: Day, Charlamagne feels like sometimes God's uh, sometimes those those

922
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: prayers that go to God's bamfolder.

923
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: Okay, I hate when you quotes me because you be

924
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 4: quoting me.

925
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: All right.

926
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 6: You never heard you say I've been that. Ever hear

927
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: you say.

928
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure that out. God got jumped.

929
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: Now.

930
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: I just be saying, sometimes don't waste God's time which things?

931
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is, you know there

932
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: are certain things he has God he or she has

933
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: given you the will to figure those things out on

934
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: your your own. And I think sometimes we waste God's

935
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: time with frivolous, you know, prayers and it goes into spamfold.

936
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: I agree. Some people don't. They don't mean what they're

937
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: praying about. They don't believe what they're praying for. So

938
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: you're like, you waste the time. The Bible said when

939
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: you pray, you gotta believe what you're asking for, and

940
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: if you don't believe, it won't happen for you.

941
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: You got the good brother D one on D one

942
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: change man, how that connection happens.

943
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: That's my boy man. I've been knowing him for quite

944
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: some time, and I just love his mission. How he's

945
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: bold and holding the hip hop community accountable. I think

946
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: it's incredible. He's not doing it in a religious way.

947
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: He's being bold just as bold as they are. He's bold,

948
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to connect with them. People like that, man,

949
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I could. I want them on my albums all day.

950
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say, what

951
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hopefully I can make a record with him,

952
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: a whole record with him.

953
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, I respect d One.

954
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: A lot of people do feel like he is very

955
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: judgment to though when it comes to, you know, other people,

956
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: for other artists.

957
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that. I think

958
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: he's very strongly opinionated. But and he's passionate about, you know,

959
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: holding the community accountable because there are young people that

960
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: are listening to the music. So you it's easy to

961
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: say he's judgmental, you know, because he's coming so strong.

962
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's judgmental. I think he's just

963
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: he's holding you. He's holding you, colmb but he's grabbing

964
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: you at the colin. Say hey, bro, you Rick Ross,

965
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know who you are?

966
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: You can see these kids. Somebody got to do it,

967
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: and so he's called to do that.

968
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: Is there differ between accountability and judgment? Is it a

969
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: thin line? Are they two totally different.

970
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Two totally different things. Judgment is to come to conclusions

971
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: on somebody and that's it. That is all. I'm you know,

972
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: past the judgment, the verdict, everything, it's just you, that's it.

973
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: To hold accountable is to say, hey, look.

974
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: You could do better.

975
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: Yo, don't try to get around it. This is it, bro,

976
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: that's I'm holding you accountable.

977
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes makes the.

978
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Question for you before we please. I always wanted to

979
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: know because I know names are powerful. Charlemagne, the God

980
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: tell me that piece.

981
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 6: Well, very good question.

982
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up, you know, we

983
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: studied the five percent teachings, and you know, and in

984
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: the five percent teachings they teach you God is a

985
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: Greek word to ride from me and Raymond words gumar

986
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: as the ball, which means widam, script and beauty, and

987
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: the first letter of each word was used by Greek

988
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 4: students when they would identify with their Egyptian you know teachers,

989
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: So it was you know God, and then you know

990
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 4: in the five percent tas the teach you that the

991
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 4: black man is God.

992
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: So in a lot of ways, it was an affirmation.

993
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: You know.

994
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: There was a great book I read back in the

995
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: day called From Niggas to Gods, you know, by a

996
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: Kill and it was just all about evolution.

997
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: It was about getting rid of that.

998
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: Nigga mindset, doing away with the nigga mindset, and evolving

999
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: to the God in you.

1000
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: Because you can either submit your will to.

1001
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: The higher level in you, which is the God, and

1002
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: you are submit your will to the lower level in you,

1003
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: which is the devil. So I just you know, that

1004
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 4: was just something that a lot of us, and still

1005
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: not a lot of us, A lot of people, you know,

1006
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 4: still say we're God.

1007
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: You say peace God. You know.

1008
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 4: Are you addressed a black woman, you say peace queen.

1009
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: You know she's a goddess.

1010
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: Right.

1011
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 4: So it's just something to aspire to, you know, not

1012
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 4: saying I am God, right right, you know. But if

1013
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: God created man in his image according to his likeness Boom,

1014
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: then I am Boom, you know, in the image and

1015
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: likeness of my father, lower case G, lawer case G.

1016
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: But I have the most respect for that man. I

1017
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to know. I said, we're gonna ask you

1018
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: that when I say, you absolutely, and I think that's powerful.

1019
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: I think names are very powerful. What you declare your

1020
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: name is what how people know you. And it's what

1021
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: you declare in the earth. So if you said, Charlmagne

1022
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the God, you said, you know I'm a child of

1023
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: God or you know the God in me? I think

1024
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: that's a powerful thing. Everybody say, what's your government?

1025
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 5: I appreciate you for joining us? This sak what record?

1026
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: You want to hear?

1027
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: The album?

1028
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, play them all play one night in California.

1029
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: That's the title cut.

1030
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, I have two more questions. Oh yeah,

1031
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: you know. I think this is a good question.

1032
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: You know, because the perception of a pastor is that

1033
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 4: everything they do is for God and not for financial gain.

1034
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: So a lot of people would say, you know, why

1035
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: would you do the reality TV show Preachers of l It.

1036
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: It came about when I was at the lower state

1037
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: of in my ministry, went through the worst season of

1038
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: my life. I had again, I divorced, and then I

1039
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: had met my wife. Within three months within that divorce process,

1040
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: we started having sex. We had my first child, Destined.

1041
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: She's twelve now I got a call from a great preacher.

1042
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: He's deceased now rest in peace, Zachary Thames. Out of

1043
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: the blue when I went to La and he said, Dietrich,

1044
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: I felt lad to call you. Man, what's going on

1045
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: with you? I started crying on the phone, like, Man,

1046
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I would have messed up real bad. Once the folks

1047
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: here what I've done. I'll never be able to inspire

1048
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: people again, and I'll never be able to get up

1049
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: and sing or preach because they're not going to believe

1050
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: in me because I you know, you know. Anyway, I

1051
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: was on the phone with him, man, and then the

1052
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: idea came about. I said, man, why don't we just

1053
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: we need a reality show for preachers like us that

1054
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: make mistakes, Like you can't expect to live eighty to

1055
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: two hundred years on the planet Earth and not make

1056
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: mistakes even though you're a preacher. We trying our best.

1057
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Well I fell short. I think people need to see

1058
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: not just hear about what Dietrich did, but see Dietrich

1059
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: come through it. How I get back to where I

1060
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: need to be. And that's how Preachers of La came about.

1061
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: I created that show, gave it to Holly Carter shout

1062
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: out to Holly Carter, Lemmy Plumber and we did it, man,

1063
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: and it changed the It shifted culture in the church

1064
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: where preachers had to now become more trans become more transparent.

1065
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: And now they're seeing that there's ministry in transparency. Now

1066
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: the preachers are dressing down and saying I need Jesus too.

1067
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: Before then, wasn't nobody saying that. They were saying, you

1068
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: need Jesus and you need to get it right. Now

1069
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: that members are saying, okay, Pastor Dietrich is letting us

1070
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: in on his life. Bishop Noah Jones was one of

1071
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: the greatest preachers of all times, philosophers. He's letting you

1072
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: us in on his life. What's up with you, Pastor?

1073
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: They're looking at you. So now the pastor, okay, let

1074
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: me Now, I got to let people in just a

1075
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: little bit on who I really am. Don't just preach

1076
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: at me and throw Jesus at me. Let me know

1077
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: who you are, pastor. And so that's the wonderful thing

1078
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: about Preachers.

1079
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: Of LA and the show. The show's coming back, right.

1080
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: We did a reunion show. They're calling for it back.

1081
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: Their networks trying to see you know, that was a

1082
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: tough season for all of us, a lot of you know,

1083
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: it affected us all differently. Some churches kind of fell off,

1084
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, because people it's you know, it never was

1085
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: never done before.

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Speaker 4: So how would it's time to be different? Being at

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Speaker 4: your mindset is different, You're in a different space.

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Speaker 1: Oh you can handle it now. Now you've stepped back,

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00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: spent ten years ago. You can you take a look

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Speaker 1: at what worked, what didn't work is easy now it's

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Speaker 1: easy work. So I think I think it's incredible. I

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Speaker 1: think it needs to come back. Shows like that need

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Speaker 1: to come back to help the church now process what's

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Speaker 1: going on in our world.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about megachurches? Do you feel like

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Speaker 4: they help or her?

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Speaker 1: I was just talking about that. I'm not a big

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Speaker 1: fan of megachurches. I got a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: follow me my church, my in person church is not

1100
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Speaker 1: that large, but people my online church is massive. I

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Speaker 1: just think the more people, the more blood on your

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Speaker 1: hands if you fall short and if you make people

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Speaker 1: turn away from God because of your shortcomings.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't start off as a megachurch. It start

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00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: off a small church and it just continues to grow

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Speaker 3: and grow and.

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Speaker 1: Well that's where you delegate.

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Speaker 3: Other stop, do you slow down because people want to

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Speaker 3: hear you speak just like yourself. I'm sure your church

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Speaker 3: could be decided, your congregation could be huge.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta delegate because each soul is important

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Speaker 1: to God, Each individual is very important to God. And

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Speaker 1: so it's bigger than just saying I got a big church.

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Speaker 1: I got thirty thousand. That only mean nothing to me.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the thirty thousand church go down to nothing,

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Speaker 1: literally nothing. I was there seeing the people coming in

1117
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Speaker 1: and droves thirty thousand people. Now it's nothing. The pastor's

1118
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: not even married anymore, So none of that moves me anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of just saw that with hisill song too.

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Speaker 1: The mega church is old. It's too much hype. You

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00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: gotta get back down the old school church. Where church

1122
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: is like a family, where you your pastor knew you.

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Speaker 1: The pastor knows your family. They know you, they know

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Speaker 1: you when you come in there, you know, to bury

1125
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Speaker 1: you your family and to marry you, they know you.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I was raised and that's the way

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Speaker 1: I like my church, my Hill City church. Have you

1128
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Speaker 1: ever come to Los Angeles? It's a family it's growing,

1129
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: but when it gets too big, I'm gonna turn it. Delegates. Hey, y'all,

1130
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Speaker 1: go over there to Pastor Guy Reeves. He's one of

1131
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: my associate pastors. Go to Pastor Guy Reeves, and and

1132
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Speaker 1: and keep doing that because even remember when Moses father

1133
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: in law told them, man, you got too many children.

1134
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Speaker 1: That is how you're gonna handle this. All these people,

1135
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: these people need care, personal care. You need to delegate.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 1: It can't be all about you. You need help. You

1138
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: can't even handle all these souls. And think about it,

1139
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: The Bible says, the souls, the blood of those people

1140
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: are gonna be on your hands. The more people you get,

1141
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: the more responsibility to whom much is given, much is required.

1142
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Speaker 1: You think you want a big church, No you don't.

1143
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: You want the people that are called to you that

1144
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: you can really help through life, life's issues. You want them.

1145
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: You want like Jesus, even Jesus. The crowds followed him,

1146
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: but he had twelve you know what I'm saying, to

1147
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: help them, and they were work. Peter wanted to cut

1148
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: and cuts people out. The first chance he got. He

1149
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: was pastoring them. You see what I'm saying. So where

1150
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: are the pastors who really care for the people. It's

1151
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: not about having a big church who cares. I'm not

1152
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: impressed people come to me and say, dt, I got

1153
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: this many people, and that don't mean nothing to me.

1154
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: I'll be while they're talking like this, brother, that blood

1155
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: is on your hands. That's what I'm thinking. You better

1156
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: figure out a way to really paster those people. And

1157
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: that's what you need to be figuring out. Are any

1158
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Speaker 1: telling me how many people you got?

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Speaker 4: Ye? Are any mega churches doing it right? Because I mean,

1160
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Speaker 4: based off what you said, Potterhouse comes to mind immediately,

1161
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Speaker 4: because they do delegate a lot of different pastoral duties

1162
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Speaker 4: to a lot of different pastors.

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Speaker 1: I think mister Jenks is doing it right. I still

1164
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Speaker 1: think that, you know, I'm not. I don't know how

1165
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Speaker 1: people have their ministries organized, So I don't want to

1166
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Speaker 1: say that all ministries are like that, but uh, you know,

1167
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Speaker 1: you got to you gotta delegate, and you gotta oversee

1168
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Speaker 1: these people. You gotta shepherd these people. You have to

1169
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Speaker 1: love these people, you have to care for these people,

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Speaker 1: and you can't do it when you have so many people.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm not coming to a megachurch for I

1172
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Speaker 7: mean I'm not. I don't want to go to church

1173
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Speaker 7: for a presentation. I want to I don't want a connection.

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Speaker 7: I want to feel like you have a go to

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Speaker 7: church and you know your your pastor feel like you're

1176
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 7: talking to you.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Love that, that intimate that that because I still go

1179
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 7: to the same church that I was born in, like,

1180
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 7: will never not stop going there, you know. But I

1181
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 7: know I have a relationship with the bishop and his family,

1182
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I know my first lady,

1183
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 7: I know her kids, like they know how to cover

1184
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 7: me when I'm on the road. And because I have

1185
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Speaker 7: a lot of I'm a standing comedian, I meet a

1186
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 7: lot of people, you know, I do meet and Greece

1187
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. So a lot of that energy

1188
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 7: is contagious and a lot of it is draining.

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Speaker 6: You don't want it on you.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I just don't feel right sitting in a megachurch where

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Speaker 7: it's more of a presentation. It's like I don't feel

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00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 7: that spiritual food. I'm not being fed there.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people fled to megachurches because

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00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: of church hurt. Also because when you deal with family churches,

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00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you deal with stuff just like you do in the family.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people fled a lot of small

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00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: churches back in the day to retreat to just big churches.

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Speaker 1: The lights are turned down. They could just hide in

1200
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: there and get their word and go. But you still

1201
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: need somebody to hold you accountable, to look out for

1202
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: your soul. And I don't think that's the solution hiding

1203
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: in a dark room like you at the movie theater.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, you need a church,

1205
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: You need a pastor. You need to find the right one, though,

1206
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: because there's bad leadership everywhere. You know what I'm saying,

1207
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: it's bad people everywhere. You've got to find the pastor

1208
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: that's after God's heart for you and your family, and

1209
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: they're there. Like my father, he's been don't He ain't

1210
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: trying to go viral. He's eighty five years old. He's

1211
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Speaker 1: been pastor since I was born, loving people, just doing

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00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: what it's called to do, through ups and downs, not

1213
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: trying to be a star. He's just and he's got

1214
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: old doing it. So I know that they're great leaders

1215
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: out there that will love your family, and so you

1216
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: just got to search for them in your city.

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Speaker 5: Right well, Dietrick, we appreciate you for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: One night in California's out right.

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Speaker 5: Now, that's right, and it's the Breakfast Clo.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: The brother got to end us with a prayer. What

1222
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Speaker 2: as you're doing?

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Speaker 1: Come on then, Father, we thank you for the Breakfast

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Speaker 1: Club and what they mean to the culture. God continued

1225
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Speaker 1: to elevate them, continue to bless them, give them the wisdom,

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Speaker 1: the strength, and the fortitude to continue to do what

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Speaker 1: you call them to do. Continue to give them the

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Speaker 1: heart to open up doors for people that are called

1229
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Speaker 1: to speak for you. On your behalf, I give you

1230
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Speaker 1: praise for them. Bless their families, Bless everything they put

1231
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Speaker 1: their hearts to do. Just touch them, God, and just

1232
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Speaker 1: continue to do what you're doing for them and Jesus

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Speaker 1: name I pray. Amen.

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Speaker 5: Amen, man, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club