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Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke Unplugged. We had a

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Speaker 1: special interview today with the one and only Howard White,

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Speaker 1: the man behind a lot of stuff with Nike. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed this interview as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: We got a special one today. Man. Some call him

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Speaker 1: the godfather of Jordan Brand. That is someone who's been very,

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Speaker 1: very instrumental behind the scenes. I personally haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: talk too much, so I'm excited I get a chance

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Speaker 1: to sit down and pick his brain for a little

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Speaker 1: bit today. Welcome to the show, Howard White.

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Speaker 2: Jack. Appreciate you for you got Jack in.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta, Jackson Atlanta. I'm here right here, We're here.

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say to both of you all how

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Speaker 2: much I appreciate that giving me a small amount of

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Speaker 2: your attack.

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Speaker 1: No, thank you, we for amount of your time. You're

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Speaker 1: a very important busy man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that.

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Speaker 1: So nineteen seventy eight, been with nineteen since nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: Join the company as a marketing representative. Currently sit on

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Speaker 1: vice president of Jordan Brand. Let's get into the story

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Speaker 1: of how this all started.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, they fudged a little bit because I

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Speaker 2: actually was eighty two. Well, I wish I was there

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Speaker 2: in seventy eight exactly eighty two when that started. And

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Speaker 2: you know how did this start? It probably couldn't happen today.

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Speaker 2: To tell you how it started, I have to go

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Speaker 2: back to who that young guy is, the young person that,

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Speaker 2: as I'm told, born in Hampton, Virginia, born premature, early premature,

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Speaker 2: can't breathe, heavy ass mother. So you were think in

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty that may be a death wish. Some kind

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Speaker 2: of way I've pulled through. Maybe I had a praying

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Speaker 2: mother who believed in me. Also the lessons that she's talking.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you that because that's how I've become

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Speaker 2: who I am. We walked by the old man in

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Speaker 2: my neighborhood, mister Lee heavy Limb. She spoke, Hey, Lee,

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Speaker 2: how you doing today? How miss lel how you you

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Speaker 2: have a great day? You hear now down south, that's

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Speaker 2: what people do. Howard was throwing rocks at the stop

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Speaker 2: side because they told me, if you can hit the

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Speaker 2: zero dead in the middle, Kyle jumps over the moon

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Speaker 2: stars running around the sky. You see, mister Leef fifty

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Speaker 2: times a day. What's the big deal? When we passed them.

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Speaker 2: She stopped me. She said, and you let that be

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Speaker 2: the last time in your life you ever passed by

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Speaker 2: someone and not open your mouth to speak, because even

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Speaker 2: on the street. She only said that twice in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: The second time she was in the hospital. I was

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Speaker 2: in Denver traveling and I called her. I was writing

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Speaker 2: a book, Believe to Achieve, to see the invisible and

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Speaker 2: do the impossible. I said, Mama, what would you learn

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Speaker 2: to your grandchildren, their children in the world. What would

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Speaker 2: you like them to know about you? She said, I

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Speaker 2: would like them to know I know how to treat people,

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Speaker 2: because even the dog can wag his tail when it

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Speaker 2: passes you on the street. That little few words carried

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Speaker 2: me through life. I told you, at this time, I

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Speaker 2: am at that time, I'm in the eighth grade, seventy

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Speaker 2: eighth grade, so you know, twelve thirteen right in there.

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Speaker 1: And we go.

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Speaker 2: Down and remember going to the all white school. To

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Speaker 2: my knowledge that no kids in the gym. It's not

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Speaker 2: a good place to be. Ain't no kids in here?

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Speaker 2: Three men, three white men, We don't need to be

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Speaker 2: in here. We should leave. One man says, would you

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Speaker 2: kids like to play a game? We can beat them.

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Speaker 2: They old people. They shouldn't even be out on the court. Well,

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Speaker 2: guess what we played them. They changed the rules. You

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Speaker 2: know wherever I played, when I did, you get the ball?

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Speaker 2: You put the ball back? Whoever got the ball, They

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Speaker 2: invented new rules. You got to take the ball back

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Speaker 1: Son.

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Speaker 2: When they changed no, son, you gotta take the ball.

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Speaker 2: No son. The whole game was no son, take the

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Speaker 2: ball somewhere else. They beat us to death. I'm walking off,

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Speaker 2: My name is Jim Hathaway. I'm the coach of Kickatane

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Speaker 2: High School. You ever heard of the big o' Oscar Robinson. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's like asking somebody if they heard of Kobe or

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Speaker 2: he's lying. I can't even play basketball. I was dumb

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Speaker 2: Winning found soda bottles in the ditches along the road,

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Speaker 2: a basketball and the gold nailed it up. I shot

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Speaker 2: a lot of basketball. So as you start progressing, you

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Speaker 2: started believing more. I looked in this elastic magazine. You

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Speaker 2: got a better chance of going to college if you're

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Speaker 2: a class officer. Nobody in my family ever been in

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Speaker 2: the college. So I asked one of my coaches. A

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Speaker 2: better chance to go into college as you're a class officer?

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Speaker 2: That could be could be? Holler, why would you want

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Speaker 2: to run for class office? Said? Thanks? Said, if you

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Speaker 2: Maybe what would you run for?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Didn't say secretary treasured? I don't know. You should let

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Speaker 2: me ask you something. Yes, sir, can you tell me

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Speaker 2: who the salutatorian is at Kikatan High School? No, maybe

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Speaker 2: that was too hard. How about the valedictorian smartest person

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Speaker 2: So I guess I can't run for offices. Maybe you're

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Speaker 2: going too fast. They can tell me who you are

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Speaker 2: some people don't know me, he said, I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: they know. I said, that's crazy. He said, run for

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Speaker 2: the treasure of what to do. I said, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't I think of that? I become class president

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Speaker 2: of the school at five forty five hundred in ten

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Speaker 2: are all white? The one friend we still friends today?

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Speaker 2: He said, simply one thing. How they want enough black

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Speaker 2: people at Kickitan and fit in the telephone booth. They

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Speaker 2: didn't vote you as president. We all did. How you

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Speaker 2: choose to see the world, and that's where we get

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Speaker 2: into man. How you choose to see the world actually

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Speaker 2: can direct your life flight path in the world. And

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Speaker 2: when I got to college, only one letter on the

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Speaker 2: back of my uniform h in quotations. So when you

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Speaker 2: look at the lens of the world, you start growth.

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Speaker 2: Because what most people miss is this, They're looking at

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Speaker 2: over and take some stuff out. Throw this away, throw

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Speaker 1: Then do you know what injury you had?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it was mc l so they didn't

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Speaker 2: the cast for about two months. You get out. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm good, but actually they wrapped you so much tab

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Speaker 2: up that you really couldn't move. I was still pretty good.

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Speaker 2: By my senior year, I got hurt again. Hurt the

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Speaker 2: other nee just won the n T Championship. We think

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Speaker 2: NC two ways. We're good. After I got hurt again,

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Speaker 2: I was like, this ain't fun. Said, well, they gonna

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Speaker 2: Luke had just come in as a freshman All American

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Speaker 2: and tennis All American in basketball. He was the person

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Speaker 2: that took my place. So I committed that I would

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Speaker 2: help him be the best he could be. Number one

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Speaker 2: guy picked in the draft still played some World Team tennis.

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Speaker 2: That was the person that after he had been in

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Speaker 2: That would help me. Hey, let's get together, let's play tennis,

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Speaker 2: let's do this. That was the person that told me

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Speaker 2: there is this great job at Nike, this nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: What's Nike? He said, you would love it? Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: is it? He said? Tell him theay of his why

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't need he would love it. So he told me.

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Speaker 2: The guy's name that was going with his sister was

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Speaker 2: Kenny White. You ever looked in the phone booked and

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Speaker 2: try and find a Kenny White? Was k White? Ken White?

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Speaker 2: Kenneth White? You can't find the first the phone book

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Speaker 2: because you all not familiar White Pages? Remember that resident

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Speaker 2: yellow Pages business? I'm looking into? Where is it? Kenny?

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ. It was one k H E. N I. White.

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Speaker 2: I said, that's the guy. I know. It's the guy.

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Speaker 2: I called him number. He said, oh yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: heard about you. I know about you. They give me

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Speaker 2: a going away partly, why don't you just stop by?

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Speaker 1: Cool?

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Speaker 2: We talked some of your resume. Okay, he get back

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Speaker 2: in the couple. He said, well they're going in a

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Speaker 2: different direction, so that no job, no more is okay.

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Speaker 2: A couple of months later, when can you start? Wow?

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Speaker 2: After I played, I became a coach at Maryland, working

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Speaker 2: can you recruit him? He from Petersburg, Big Moses, Big Moses, Malone.

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Speaker 2: Moses average thirty five, twenty five boys and twelve block

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Speaker 2: shots that game. We became extremely close. His moms. We

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Speaker 2: I recruited, I went down there Moses. That was people

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Speaker 2: I'm like, these people are crazy. So I go to

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Speaker 2: He is He said no, no, he's not here. I

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Speaker 2: looking at her stories. Edge of night, one of them.

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Speaker 2: Next thing, Me and Mary sleep on the couch. I'm asleep,

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Speaker 2: she sleep wake up an hour.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh.

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Speaker 2: I said no, no, no, that's okay. We're fine. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: tell she called them tiny. I'm gonna tell Tiny you

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Speaker 2: came by. I said, okay, I would go by Syo

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Speaker 2: we were when we became like this, I mean, Mo

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Speaker 2: visited every college on the planet. We would go to dinner.

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Speaker 2: He said, no, no, no, how against the rules, you can't

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Speaker 2: buy that most I was a stack of money, but

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: As a high school kid before.

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Speaker 2: And so we really became close. He came signed up

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Speaker 2: Maryland got drafted by the Utah Stars. At the time

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Speaker 2: came out, he said, Howard, I wrote down and put

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Speaker 2: in my Bible. I wanted to be the first player

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Speaker 2: to go from high school to the pros. I think

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Speaker 2: if I don't do this, God will punish me because

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Speaker 2: this was a promise to him. Well, you can't break

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Speaker 2: promises to God. Will go. When I got the Nike

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Speaker 2: Ali is just getting years old on a poach this

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00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 2: stam Peyley. If you go over to that football world Jordan, Now,

430
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: if you went way back, you probably could put Babe

431
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Ruth in there. He was bigger than the game of baseball.

432
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Tiger would probably be bigger than the game of God.

433
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: If you went to music, Elvis Presley, you know they

434
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: say Elvis still living out at grace Land somewhere way

435
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: bigger than music. Nineteen sixty one, Elvis made a sound

436
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Can't Help Falling in Love that's probably played at seventy

437
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: five percent of the weddings around the country, stream billions

438
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: of time. That's nineteen sixty one. The King, Michael Jackson

439
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: pop around the world, Moon Dance, thriller, Billy Jeans. See.

440
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of people about the Beatles that

441
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: rise above, and there are not a lot of people

442
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: that can handle rise and m The racing team own,

443
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: the team own, the motorcycle team, got a yacht that's

444
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: bigger than a football field. G sevens Jordan Bray that

445
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: says people want to associate with a winning attitude because

446
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: that's something I think everybody has under their control how

447
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: they see it. I failed over and over and over.

448
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: That is why I succeed. That's everybody just because you fail.

449
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be anything in life, you better fail.

450
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: It's just when that keeps you down. It's when you

451
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: fail lose. So my job was to help these young people.

452
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: You know then they had Sentia Cooper at least Leslie

453
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: don Staly mean, they were all of my people that

454
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: said we can do this. You can do this. So

455
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: the beauty of life is as you climb, who do

456
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: you become? Who would have imagined the guy like myself?

457
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: I worked out all the time. After I couldn't play ball,

458
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: I swim and after that stopped swimming. I got a bicycle.

459
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm riding hundreds of miles and got a bicycle. I'm

460
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: traveling around the world with m going to the tour

461
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: the front some eat man life was beautiful. One damn

462
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: walking up the stairs and Tiger Woods. I can't make

463
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: it up the stairs. Literally, I cannot make I'm like,

464
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: what in the world me, This can't be so I

465
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: can't breathe. Finally get my wife. She said, uh huh,

466
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: what did I said, I don't know, but I'll be okay.

467
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: She said, no, we going to the hospital. Matter of fact,

468
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: it was gonna be for you a lot that money,

469
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: she said, And we're going before then because the doctors

470
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: might be out on vacation. We going to the hospital.

471
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: We went, They look at you, they do all this stuff.

472
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: They say, well, you know, we just want to keep

473
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: you overnight. Mhm, because overnight became about ten, eleven, twelve days.

474
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: It's your heart. We found this got this amaloord ammelodosis.

475
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: What's that? Well, it's this amalord that everybody produces it,

476
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: but in some people it goes and it can get

477
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: into your heart this or that. And I think a

478
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: lot of people, a lot of players have it and

479
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: have had to have transplants as I do. Now they

480
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: have medicines. And once I had it, and then one thing,

481
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: they said, you needed a transplant. I was like, and

482
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: on s. I don't drink, I don't stay out, I

483
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: don't hang out. I don't do any of those things.

484
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 2: How could this be me? They said, just maybe that's

485
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: why you still living. I said, I'm good with that.

486
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm good with that. I ain't got no problem with that.

487
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: And I'm good with that. And I was good for

488
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: a while, and put me on some mads. I was

489
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: good for a while. I thought, boom, boom, boom. December

490
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: tenth just started in twenty seventeenth. Decembenty tenth, twenty twenty.

491
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: I went in and they did. They called it a

492
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: right hard cat. They go in through your neck, check

493
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: the heart out, see what's doing. He said, this ain't

494
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: doing that good. I said, you don't think He said no,

495
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: He said, now if you you can leave, but you

496
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: come back next week. We got to go through this again.

497
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: I said, what do you think, Doki, Well, it's COVID

498
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: where you're going. It ain't like you're going out hanging

499
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: out at the club where you're going. I said, what

500
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: you think? Well, I got a room for you upstairs.

501
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm good. The same guy that had told me in

502
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: twenty step I might need a hard transplant. First guy saw.

503
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: I said, you're right. Huh.

504
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: He said it.

505
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: Looks like it. And because when he told me, then,

506
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: I said, what's next steps? How fast can we get

507
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: it going? He came back in the room after about

508
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, he said, this ain't the way people usually

509
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: take this news. I said, you got a better way

510
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: to take it. Let's do it. And eventually, when I

511
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: needed it went in on decembery seven, I saw the

512
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: world a little different because once they're gonna give you

513
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: a transplant, they checked him for everything. I said, okay, okay, okay,

514
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this like on Christmas December twenty fifth.

515
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: I said, that's when it's gonna come. Okay, And I

516
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: remember Doc doctor Abraham. He called me right. He said,

517
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: well Christmas not over yet. I said, yeah, getting pretty

518
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 2: close though. He said, well, let's not give up hope.

519
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm not, but it's getting close. The

520
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: heart came on Sunday. I said, you know that's when

521
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: God does his best work on Sunday. I miscalculated that

522
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 2: a little bit. I was kind of rushing it talking

523
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: about on that Friday. Came on Sunday. He said, I

524
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: delivered this in my time. Y'all trying to mess with me.

525
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: I'm delivering it. They put it in on the twenty eighth,

526
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: and my daughter man that she was running professionally at

527
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: that time, but she took off about four months. Said

528
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come home. Want to make sure everybody's good.

529
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: But the way you see the world at that time,

530
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I ain't doing this. Niked that

531
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 2: I ain't doing nothing no more. I'm good. I talked

532
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: to mister Knight. He said, I think it would be

533
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: good if you're still there. I said, for what he said,

534
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: I think it would be good. I say and do

535
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: what he said, Do you just be yourself? So I

536
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: think that he was saying to me, you are Nike.

537
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: You are part of this. You've helped structure this. I

538
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: want you to help the next generation of people believe

539
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: in something greater than they are. As I went back,

540
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: and you start thinking, what can you do that Jim

541
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: that walked in that first day and couldn't play. Is

542
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: the Howard White Court on Howard White Way, across town

543
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: over in the bou Wiy's Sports pleques with all the

544
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: AAU people. There is the Howard White Pavilion AJ two,

545
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: the Howard White h U the imagination. They asked me

546
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: about a center. I said, I ain't doing no center.

547
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: That's crazy, am the Lord's I ain't doing that. And

548
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: Mandy said, my daughter said, why wouldn't you Dad? It's

549
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 2: because I ain't ask nobody but no money. He said,

550
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: how do you know what people? I said, well, I

551
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: ain't gonna ask him to find out. She said, I

552
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: think it would be a good idea. I said, you crazy.

553
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: She said, I really think it would be a good idea.

554
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: So there's the Howard White Center, Howard h Flight Center

555
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: for Amalydosis. And when I look at what that has

556
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: the possibility of doing is that people will not have

557
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: to get to where I was. People will not have

558
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: to get to a transplant, and so many business people

559
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: and friends wanted to support this, and all these people

560
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: gave all the money and MJ gave the Orca of

561
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: the Black Cat. He gave up a million dollars. Like really,

562
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: he said, well you know what, Yeah, they kept you here.

563
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm that's what I really am proud of.

564
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: So when you believe in something, you never know what

565
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: the universe has in store. And it had saved so

566
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: many lives and with all of the work it does,

567
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: and they found they found five that had amlydotes that

568
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: didn't even know it. They can treat it, they can

569
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: move forward. And you know, I take a drug right

570
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: now that keeps it from re entering the heart, gives

571
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: you a better opportunity, and so to be a bridge

572
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: for somebody, it's one of the most beautiful things in

573
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: the world. So when you look at having a heart transplant,

574
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: you look at the medicines that now can prevent that.

575
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: If we have the knowledge, if we are open to

576
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: what people tell us, that sometimes that's all it takes.

577
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: That narrow window gets to open and open and open.

578
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: Just like when I took MJ, mister Knight to see him,

579
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: somebody else was listening to me you started learning of

580
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: a world that you couldn't even fathom. Then I could

581
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: always talk to him, what do you think about X,

582
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: Y and Z? What does that do? We have the

583
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: all time, all time, all that billionaire telling this little

584
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: kid from Virginia, Oh, I think you should do this?

585
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: Now you should? That's crazy. Even a dog and wag

586
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: his tail when it passes you on the street. I

587
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: haven't been around the greatest athletes on the planet. I

588
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: have been around people worth millions and millions and billions

589
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: and billions. The best advice I have ever gotten, even

590
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: a dog can wagers tell when it passes you on

591
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: the street. So someone were to say, what you attribute

592
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: your life to the little old lady with a sixth

593
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: grade education, that says, even the dog can wagers tell

594
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: when it passes you on the street. So my life

595
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: is a reflection of all of those that have gone

596
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: before me and all of the people that I can touch,

597
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: that they might see the greatness within them. That's all

598
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: you want them to do. Just see it, see the possibilities.

599
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: Don't look at who you think you might be because

600
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: of your circumstances, because of where you from, because of

601
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: the school you went to, because I was born in

602
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: property and there's no way out because that person doesn't

603
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: look like me, that person doesn't talk like me. It's

604
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: a fix for all of that. Man. Education, listening to elders,

605
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: listening to teachers. And I know a lot of young

606
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: people think they don't know what they're talking about. Maybe

607
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: they don't, but they know a little bit more than you.

608
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: So listen, listen, listen. It might refrain the way you

609
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: see yourself.

610
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Take us back to meeting Mike and developing a

611
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: friendship and getting him on to the Nike side, because

612
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: it was all but done. He was in Adidas, gud.

613
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: Talking all the way.

614
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: So how did you all? I'm sure after sitting talking

615
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: to you for a little while, I think you what

616
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: you told him obviously work. You know what?

617
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: Then? Okay, if we really really really looked in depth,

618
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: remember him, Jay was a youngster, and I knew all

619
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: the boys. Feel for all the guys that have been there, Man,

620
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: I know them. I recruiting. Tell me about this kid

621
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: or they been boom. But he's Adidas guy. Now that's

622
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: all you wear. It's Adidas, that's all the way age.

623
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: But he's a great kid, good parent, good guy. He

624
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: can play now, but he's an Adidas guy. Okay, let's

625
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: go back a little bit. Probably say with you man,

626
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: remember that Orca led by a female. They saw the

627
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: spiritual the lad They know where to feed.

628
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: They know this.

629
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: David Falk, who was his age, the Falcon, he had, man,

630
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: we can do this and this and that. MJ the

631
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: had just won the championship. Then he just went to

632
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: the Olympics. So he told his parents, told David, I'm

633
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: not going out there. I already know what I want

634
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: to do, so I'm not going. So Pop talked to him,

635
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: called them and said, you know, we should go out

636
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: there and listen to them people, I'm not going. Y'all

637
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: go if y'all want, I'm not going. I know what

638
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. Gave the phone to his mother d

639
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: laws Mama, Jay Well, he said, he ain't coming. I

640
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: see you at the plane. You know what time it leaves.

641
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: I see you at the plane. In the conversation, he

642
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: may not have wanted to come, but Mama said, it

643
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: is what we're going. He got there. I'm sure the

644
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: whole time he pissed, don't want to be there, and

645
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: with the hell the wasting my time. Then as he

646
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: got I was late on you know, somebody, how the

647
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: heck was you late to the meeting. I went to

648
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: my lawyer who was in DC at the time. He

649
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: was there, David Smithy. He said, well, I said, man,

650
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: I got the big meet Michael Jordan coming there.

651
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: Well, let's go.

652
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: Get a lunch. I said, man, hey, I got a

653
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: big meat as right around the corner and we'd be

654
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 2: right back. Ain't no big deal. Let's go get a lunch.

655
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: The place was not a right around the corner. Then

656
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: place way out in the boondogs hell makes your tavern.

657
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm like.

658
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: The Hamburger was like this big. I'm like smith that

659
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: plenty of time, plenty of time. Well, I don't know

660
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: if I was that late or that was that they

661
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: was that early, but when I got there, back there

662
00:49:53,600 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: there just maybe that was a plan from some where

663
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: other maybe God put it like that, because Pop said,

664
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: the only black guy, he and he late the world.

665
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Are we gonna do our people? Our people? Bam? But

666
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: we're there. Everybody's talking through through booms, draws and got

667
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: all these plays. We all talked through it. Him he

668
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: won't play, you know, he ain't play his cards. You know,

669
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: he loved, he loved, he loved that poking stuff. He

670
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: won't you ain't know what he was thinking. Little clothes boom.

671
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: They had the music playing, they dished the videos and jumpingson.

672
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: Hmm ah. But you never know, pop Son, you got

673
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: to look at this. But he did go to all

674
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: the other places at that time. The Converse was the

675
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 2: king and they had everybody, everybody, Bird, Magic, Ice Doc

676
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: they had, they had, Marca had everybody, Adidas had like

677
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Cap and Marcus Johnson had a few people. Then they

678
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: had the Ali rap thing, run DMC, the whole nine.

679
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: You know.

680
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: So I think Pap was like, that's pretty good. What

681
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: detail all about? So after all the I mean you

682
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: think about the artist. Ain't gonna pay the young kid

683
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: like that all this money? That's ridiculous. We got the

684
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: best guy. We got Cap, we got that what food

685
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: people would pay him all that money? Converts they got everybody. Yeah,

686
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: we probably make another one of these people. Manky didn't

687
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: have all of that. We had a few players and

688
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: Sidney new wigs and I mean this time though right

689
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: for sure, for sure, but strassing them. You know, they

690
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: had a plane. So when I look at us again,

691
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: remember if you listening when they talking to him, they

692
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: putting like on the board, they got this huge, huge

693
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: time Man of the year hm hm wow, first billion there.

694
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean they putting these lofty things up.

695
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: There like wow, believe wow, you know what?

696
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: Why not? And you know you keep seeing these things,

697
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: you keep seeing these things. You know they really went

698
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: out because now you know the commercials, the distance. They

699
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: made this thing bigger than life, the man that could fly.

700
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

701
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: Peter designed the first one. He designed like a little

702
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: wings local. They had a basketball wings kind of taking off.

703
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: When you get the wings when you're on the airplane,

704
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, they give you the look. That's what the

705
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 2: first one was drawn, which was very successful. So I said, Peter,

706
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: why are you changing? Man? We're good? He said, Now,

707
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: I think I kind of want something that people can

708
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: beat on their golf shirt and adults and this that's

709
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: what the jump Man came about. But I still go

710
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: back to all of those Time man. Yeah, first news.

711
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa.

712
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Man? Did you feel like they were sold after the meeting.

713
00:53:51,960 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: I think the parents were probably sold. MJ was I

714
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: don't like them things Mann adid this guy got the

715
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: pretty warm ups. They got the shoes. I'm an Adidas guy,

716
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: but they weren't willing to stretch out and do Even

717
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: when we did it, I was like, damn, this is crazy.

718
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: She's a young kid, gonna give him all that money?

719
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: And d Fault was the one that said, ah, and

720
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: Jordan see that got pretty good ring to it and Jordan.

721
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: So you start thinking of how that thing started spread.

722
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: People that started believing and something amazing. He did the

723
00:54:52,440 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: basketball part but having a transference of belief and people say,

724
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: well it was basketball. I said, no, that just happened

725
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: to be a platform.

726
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: That he was on.

727
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: Because everything he's ever touched his kind of bend. So

728
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: that was the platform you all confused. The platform that

729
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: what really is?

730
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: So that original designer what's his name? Against Peter Moore

731
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: he left for Adidas.

732
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: He did him and Rob.

733
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: Was there any truth to the rumor that MJ was

734
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: possibly following or is that urban legend?

735
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: Well no, no, not a real urban No. I think

736
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: you know m J thought about it and thought about

737
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: it and thought about it, and the Peter said, and

738
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: I think where you are, it's where you belonged. Interesting

739
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: because they were, you know, about wanting to clothes and

740
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: this and m again he's young. Then Pop was like, hey,

741
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: these people, they's been good. It's brand, it's niked, they've

742
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: been good to him. Peel came on, he talked to him.

743
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: So I think again you start seeing something that's bigger.

744
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: Then a basketball.

745
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Player oncomes Tinker and he helps. As you mentioned earlier,

746
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: designed three through fifteen, when do you kind of feel like,

747
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: at what point did you and Mike really start developing

748
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: a relationship where he trusted you, you trusted him, and

749
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: it really became more than a business, It became a friendship.

750
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: You know, Well, that's probably right off the bat. You know,

751
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: I remember once we signed him, we just paid him

752
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: a lot of money.

753
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: Well would you mind if that because obviously you deals

754
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: today are crazy at that time?

755
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: Do you call it was like three fifty something like that?

756
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

757
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: Well, yes, that was astronomical.

758
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: This that I'm saying that was huge.

759
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because at the beginning, if you were a star, superstar,

760
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars, this was like off the

761
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: charts and a percentage from the shoe royalty, right yep.

762
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: And so again nobody thought that it would be what

763
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: it was what has become but again they were looking

764
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: from a pure basketball perspective.

765
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: He created a lifestyle brand period.

766
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: He created something that you know again and I used

767
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: the orca because what happened is a part when you

768
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: belong to something that you feel that intrinsically you are

769
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: a part of you grasp that too. I can jump

770
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: hide in that old man, I think I can fly.

771
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: Felipe Lopez. I remember his moms told him maybe you

772
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: could be like the man that could fly if you

773
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: work hard enough. So once you see the possibility of

774
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: something that can transcend my mama, she said, well, I

775
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: want to go see Michael Jordan. Mama, you can't walk

776
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: up them stairs think I could. No, you can't. You

777
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: know my daughter man that she was a little kid.

778
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: MJ was over the and with sleep.

779
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: And she was like, sh.

780
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: Uncle, MJ. Sleep, don't wake him up. What you know

781
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: about J's sleep? So you know, when you when you

782
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: think about something that's bigger than life, we look at basketball.

783
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: That's the same guy that told her when he was there,

784
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: you got somebody to take you to the prom? No

785
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: call uncle m J. If you don't, I'll fly in

786
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: and take you. It's a little sixteen year old girls.

787
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: Whoa can you imagine that? That's insane.

788
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: Once you start seeing something bigger, a bigger belief, a trajectory,

789
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: it says it's possible.

790
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: As you said, basketball is the vehicle, it's the inspiration

791
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: and the dreamt Yeah.

792
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: So once you're able to open up your mind to

793
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: see what's possible, the work you put in is just

794
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: the price.

795
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: If you go in and ask for for right now,

797
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: they ain't giving it to you.

798
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa?

799
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: Okay, how bad do you want this.

800
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Now? Either?

801
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: This is something that you have dreamed about all of

802
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: your life? Oh you think you getting a Chevrolet Noble?

803
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: And if you've dreamed about it all your life, I.

804
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: Know what it takes.

805
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put myself

806
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: in a position that one day that's gonna be me.

807
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it.

808
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that life?

809
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: The one obviously broke all kinds of numbers and expectations

810
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: to Jordan. Two didn't perform as expected, so there was

811
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: pressure with a new designer coming the threes. What was

812
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: the mindset around the team for the threes?

813
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: It was very funny, it was it was this is

814
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: this is very funny. Now Tinker and I are like this.

815
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: It didn't start out like that. We at the meeting

816
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: and Tinker and them they had been doing that gets

817
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: their designs and drawings, and they came and they showed

818
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: all of these things, and them came. We came in

819
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: the meeting together and they showing them all of this stuff,

820
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: and m says, eh, what do you think? Don't look

821
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: that good to me? Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I

822
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: ain't feeling in it now. The backlash that they said, well,

823
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, the only one that the fridge right, the

824
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: only one that could probably hurt you is Tinkers. It

825
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: was a problem. Uh, you said something that he's upset about.

826
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: So I called think could give me the number? I said,

827
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: what's up?

828
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: Tinker?

829
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: He said, I'm not afraid that said. We put in

830
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: a lot of work. We put in hours and days

831
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: and weeks to do this, and you can just sit

832
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: in a meeting and say that you don't like something. Yes,

833
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: he said, No, I said, World whoa war? War? War?

834
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: Whoar wo? He asked for my opinion? Did he not?

835
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: He said, what?

836
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: No?

837
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: He asked for my opinion? So now what you want

838
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: me to lie? I don't do that. If he asked

839
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: for my opinion, I'm gonna give him my opinion. I'm

840
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: not gonna lie to him. He said, well, you mad

841
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: at that much? I said, I don't know. I think

842
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: so he said, well, maybe we need to get together

843
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: before we do these meetings. There you go, it might

844
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: not help, that could hurt. It won't hurt you. So

845
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: that's what you know. Again, Me and Tinker became we

846
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 2: like this because now there was an entree. He could

847
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: go to MJ's, he could go in the closet, he

848
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: could be in the garage, he could look at the cars,

849
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: and he could start formulating who he was. Who he

850
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: was then that could go into the shoe. So from

851
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's sitting here telling him that he

852
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: don't like something too. Again, best of friends, best of friends.

853
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: Well the three to five, Jordan's three to five was

854
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: at the best three year run of Sneakers ever, argued, good, now, that's.

855
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: Pretty good run, you know, And I think the eleven

856
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: was pretty good. And probably the audacity to after he

857
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: stopped playing, to keep going with shoes, see, because at

858
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: that point it's over. Even mister Knight, we were coming back,

859
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: he said, been a good run. What are you talking about?

860
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: Been a good run?

861
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

862
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: He said, well, he's not playing anymore, so we've had

863
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: a good run at this. I said, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

864
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: I think this can keep going. He said, how he's

865
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: not playing. So the formula is, we signed a player,

866
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: we built a shoe, we market the shoe, we sell

867
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: a shoe. Good forman good for woman worked. I said,

868
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, I called mister knight Buck a lot of time.

869
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: See you know, I was out in front of the

870
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: campus just the other day. Don't know how it happened,

871
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: but I saw a car pull up to the stop light.

872
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: It stopped, it waited, light turned green, it took off.

873
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: What what the here you're talking about? I said. It

874
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: was Mercedes Beds And to my knowledge, mister Mercedes been

875
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: dead awful long time. How could that happen? Point taking

876
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: its okay? I said, So you know, let's build a ghost.

877
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: Hell he dead, that's still going, he's still living. Let's

878
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: keep going. He said, maybe we should build a ghost too.

879
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: So again a lot of me is helping people vision

880
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: bigger picture, the bigger picture, the bigger picture.

881
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: Let's discuss some pivotal moments you were a part of.

882
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: And this is just the name a few the baseball years.

883
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: What were his what was his mental like during the

884
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: time he stepped away from the NBA and played a

885
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: little baseball. Obviously he had just lost his father.

886
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that time frame, yep, Pop was gone. You

887
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: know here here's something quite interesting about again. Let's go

888
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: back to our earlier conversation about mental mindset. He had decided,

889
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm done. You won three championships, I'm done with this.

890
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: I always wanted to play baseball. So he had his

891
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: whole basement transferred over into like baseball stuff, waiting for

892
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: baseball hand stuff. I mean, the entire thing became about baseball.

893
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: And once he from Boom, we went down and we

894
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: stayed there for the longest. I'll tell you what, man,

895
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: that was tough and me and we'd be up in

896
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: that suite. We we I mean, doubleheaders and all of that.

897
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: He said, y'all had the lights out of No, y'allways

898
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: sleep the gun. No.

899
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: No, that's.

900
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: But his mind because he believed this, that he could

901
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: be great at that. I mean, so it wasn't even

902
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: I missed this. I missed it. I can do this,

903
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: I can do this. And had he had more time

904
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: doing it, I think he would have done. He was

905
01:06:53,040 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: totally committed, totally committed to putting in a time, getting

906
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: there early, staying there late. He had bought a bus

907
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: so they could travel in style. Not until they had

908
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 2: that strike. Remember when they had that strike, he wasn't

909
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: officially like on the roster, so he couldn't go in. Yeah,

910
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: called the plane time to go, and at the plan

911
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: he tipped the wing down. Have him tipped the wings

912
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: and say thanks, but goodbye. And I don't think he

913
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 2: went back with this thought process is I'm gonna play ball,

914
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to basketball, the whole nine. And

915
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: then he still didnim Jay, I mean he had getting

916
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: in basketball conditioning changed that up. And I remember, like

917
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: it was yesterday when he went down your boom, they said,

918
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: you ever thought about coming back? I think the best

919
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: thing the people would disagree. He probably would disagree. I

920
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: think the best thing ever happened to him when he

921
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: came back and they lost. See you, Apex predator, this

922
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: is not you. He called me that summer shoot the

923
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: space jam. He said, if I had done my part,

924
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: we would have won. Okay, okay, okay, slowly roll. It's

925
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: a team game. Now, there's a team game. You can't

926
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: take it. If I had done my part. Some of

927
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: it went down to shoot Space Cham a couple of

928
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: hours out of his lunch break. He lifted and then

929
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: that they opened and they brought all the guys.

930
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: But then they dome over there for that dome.

931
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: They cleared out an executive parking lot. They built the

932
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: dome so had the waits in there. All the guys

933
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: would come in. Now, think about that, because he was

934
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 2: off and late, so he didn't get the prime picks.

935
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: You know, they picked him. He just have anybody, which

936
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: is probably pretty good. I can't one of the guys.

937
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: They'll beat him. He's playing with Vancouver and I remember

938
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: they were playing. They were winning in the real game.

939
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: He said, the game was over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

940
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 2: I told you, Mike, I told you, yeah, we was

941
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: gonna get you. He said, okay, Bill, I need to

942
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 2: go back in. He got about twenty in a row.

943
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: That was Derek Martin.

944
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: Wasn't Dereck Martin? Dereck Martin. After he said keep your

945
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: little mouse set, then the guys, he said, what tell

946
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: him keep his mouth shut. It's him, it's his fault.

947
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 2: And see that's when you knew, well he ain't playing around.

948
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: And the way he showed up every game. I don't

949
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: care whether it were the last place team, whether it

950
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: was a championship, a game, whether it was practice. He

951
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: played the exact same. Even Phil Jackson would sometimes we're

952
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: gonna set the score back. You know, hey, that's not

953
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: the school. Well just keep no, No, that's not the school.

954
01:10:51,280 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: Well no, you walked out of See that mental compus

955
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: that was saying, no, why did you play hard him?

956
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: There might be some father that couldn't afford a ticket

957
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: that got a follow the ticket for him and his

958
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: young kid. They might be in the gym and they

959
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: will never leave and say it, pop, he ain't that good.

960
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: I think you could have beat him back in. They'll

961
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: never leave and say.

962
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: That can't do it.

963
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: No, no, that ain't happened. Not to do it. So

964
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: when you see his approach, the mental approach, in the

965
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: mental aspect of what he's doing, pretty calculator. We went up.

966
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: Remember when he got hurt, he was winning it. There

967
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: was the year the twos he broke his foot. Now

968
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: common sense would have said this end of the season. Man,

969
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: he ain't like championship. He said, I'm ready. Send of

970
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: the season. Hell take off, get it ready, get your

971
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: foot ready, start over again. He said, I'm ready. It

972
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: makes no sense. He said, you don't believe in me.

973
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: I said, go play. Yeah, I believe they go play.

974
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: We got that what sixty sixty three against Boston. I

975
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: remember when he walked out of the room. He had

976
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: those terminated glasses. We had just watched terminator put those

977
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: glasses on and walk out. I'm ready. Well we saw

978
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: what he needs.

979
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: Definitely ready.

980
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: So his mentality. They won that last game. We had

981
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: just watched it. Now, remember the shot against Elo. Here's

982
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: something very powerful. Jordan missed about three or four free

983
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: throws in Chicago. There were the beat Cleveland. He never

984
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: misses three throws. When we got to Cleveland, the Boys

985
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: was there. Boom, boom boom. That's when you turn on

986
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: the movie. There was nothing on the TV. Now you

987
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: had to wait for whatever time that was for the movie.

988
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: He simply stared into the television. Wasn't nothing on it.

989
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: It was just a blank screen. I said, you right,

990
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm good.

991
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: I'm good.

992
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: Agent. Okay, okay, and he said, well, I ain't taking

993
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: that free throw. He took the big guy, I ain't drive.

994
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: He hit that big shot. Was that bigger than that moment?

995
01:13:58,600 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: Was that fate?

996
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: M hmm?

997
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: Because he never missed free throws? Was that fate putting

998
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: him in that position? The world is the very interesting thing?

999
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: His doubt game he did not. Bj Armstrong always said

1000
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 2: he learned. He never lost, he won, and we learned

1001
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 2: his perspective in all of those things. Sometimes when you

1002
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: can get beat, he said, Okay, that's that time, that's

1003
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: their time. The rest of him belongs to me. Just

1004
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: the way he saw the world was wrong.

1005
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: And with that the last the last dance, as I

1006
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: was coming to life and being built, what was What

1007
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: was he like in and how excited he was about

1008
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: that process of.

1009
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: The last day. I don't know if he gets excited

1010
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 2: about it. A lot of it's just life. You know,

1011
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: all the footage had been shot in the interview on them,

1012
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: I think you saw his true feelings. You saw really

1013
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: the way he led. You know, you saw in that

1014
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: interview being tearsed on occasion, never apologizing for the way

1015
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: he led. And people will come up to me, well,

1016
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: you know if I could talk to him. You know,

1017
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: there's a modern way that he have to deal with

1018
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: these kids, and you think that's what he would be doing.

1019
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: You think he care about Come on, man, well kids

1020
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: don't respond to that, and he cares. So again, that's

1021
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 2: just who he is. He chose to share.

1022
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: Who he was. I think he gave us an opportunity

1023
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: to get to see who you saw on a daily basis,

1024
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: because again this is way pre social media, so he's

1025
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: always us. We talked before. It's always been the myth

1026
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: or the legend of him. And to be able to

1027
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: kind of open up and see behind the curtains a

1028
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: little bit at a time where you didn't get that

1029
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: kind of access was I mean, he had the world

1030
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: tuned in.

1031
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: Ooh, COVID too. Nothing to do but again, could you

1032
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: even plan it like that?

1033
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: Nothing too but to do it?

1034
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 2: And I mean again his mental acumen. Okay, here's a guy.

1035
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: He got to catch twenty three. He out in the

1036
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: middle of the Ocean Championship fishing for self. He's a

1037
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: guy that was definitely scared of the water when his

1038
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: best friends had drowned. He ain't going And I think

1039
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: that he's out in the middle come on the will

1040
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: to override those things, things that hold most people back. Yeh,

1041
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 2: what's an untold story about? Like Matt just alluded to

1042
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: MJ's like mythical almost with today's there, we don't really

1043
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: see him much, or we didn't.

1044
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: We didn't see him like.

1045
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 2: People see today's athletes.

1046
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: But what's like an untold story.

1047
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: Or maybe whether it's with m J or the brand

1048
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,879
Speaker 2: well that people don't know about that may change the perception.

1049
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: Here's something that I think what you relate to Richard

1050
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: din Chicago Bears Denny, you know at the games. I'm

1051
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: at the games, so him playing, he said, h you know,

1052
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: I've been doing a lot of spin classes. Man, you

1053
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: want to let's go cycling. I traveled with the bike,

1054
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: so I always I'm good. Yeah, I be at the house.

1055
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 2: I be at the house tomorrow. Okay, so he can't

1056
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: him sue. We went out and not a big ride.

1057
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 2: We're like thirty miles. Because when he got home he said, MJ.

1058
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: He said, wait, day, me and A just went thirty miles. Man,

1059
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: thirty miles and man, we went thirty miles. We may

1060
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: say no, good, Yeah we went thirty miles a day.

1061
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: Man later that summer. This months passed. We were over,

1062
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 2: had a tool over in Tokyo, over in Japan, went

1063
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: to that. Then when we left, I had my bike.

1064
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: So I got out early early in the morning and

1065
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: ride way out and then you could come back with

1066
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: all the traffic because a ton of traffic. I just

1067
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 2: ride back with that and said, man, I wish I

1068
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: had that bike. I'd be out there with you said no, no, no,

1069
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: we don't need to do that, and we got in

1070
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 2: a bike. We got to Hawaii early in the morning.

1071
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: I went to bed, so he went to bed. The

1072
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: wives that watch the sunrise. My wife came up and said,

1073
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: MJ looking for you. Ain't looking for me? He said, no,

1074
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: here he is.

1075
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: But what.

1076
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: I don't know?

1077
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: She said.

1078
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: I said, you know he's looking. So I go up black.

1079
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: I said, what up? Man, you're gonna try to go

1080
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: riding without me? I said what yeah, yeah, you're gonna

1081
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: try to leave me. You was gonna go riding without me?

1082
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 2: I said, man, my bike not even together. He were

1083
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: gonna put it together. I know you're gonna wanna leave me.

1084
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: So I go put the bike together and we down there.

1085
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Said why getting ready to get hide? I said hey,

1086
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: let's go about ten miles or so, just get you

1087
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: used to what. We're going at least thirty miles.

1088
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: At least at least at least I said, no.

1089
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: We're going at least thirty miles. So I remember, I

1090
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: put one of them mix years up in this water bottle,

1091
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 2: keep drinking. Put it on his bike. I got me

1092
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: a couple. We out and that's the MJ. Keep drinking, man,

1093
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: because it's getting hide out here. Drink what to the

1094
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: bottom I put on your bike? Or that thing fell

1095
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: off way back there. Now he got a T shirt

1096
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: on that's like a sail boat, bit basketball shorts or

1097
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: you know the wind just put I'm like, Lord, have mercy.

1098
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 2: So I had we stopped giving one of my bottle.

1099
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: Keep drinking this. You ain't gonna die out here. On

1100
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: my watch. We go, we keep getting water. We're about

1101
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: thirty five forty miles, go back. Richard Dent was never

1102
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: gonna say he did anything better than Michael Jordan.

1103
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it.

1104
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: Never we were in Mexico, we played I used to

1105
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: play a little bit of ping pong at the boys

1106
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 2: clubs that we playing ping pong, table tennis. That was

1107
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: winning you get a little frustrated, you go back home.

1108
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 2: He orders up ping pong table and put in his basement.

1109
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: Everybody that come over there got to play ping pong.

1110
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: Everybody got to play ping pong. Then he had him

1111
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: put two or three ping pong tables in the Birdles center.

1112
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: So now you got the news people, the sports right,

1113
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: everybody got to play. He got pretty good at ping pong,

1114
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: at table tennis. His mind is wired, gotta be the best,

1115
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: can't accept defeat.

1116
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play with cod and when

1117
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 1: you when you're talking about the mental and and just

1118
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: that drive to be the best at everything. I saw

1119
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: that in Kobe. And I remember the one thing Kobe

1120
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: used to tell me was I want to be able

1121
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: to sit at the table with Mike, meaning he wanted

1122
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: that sixth ring and to be the greatest of all time.

1123
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: And then just like when you when you talk about Mike,

1124
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: despite all the stuff you're talking about, he was doing.

1125
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: It's his mind.

1126
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: That's how cold I knew it was. Then the jelly Bean,

1127
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: we all all come about the same time, and jelly

1128
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: Bean kept telling me, Hey, you got to see my son.

1129
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: You got to see my son. I said, you gotta

1130
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: see him. You gotta see him. When I did, I

1131
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: went to see him and I said pretty good, yelling me, yeah, yeah,

1132
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 2: he's you great. I said, let him go to Douke

1133
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: or something for a year. No, I said, well, you

1134
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: telling me he gonna be senators and all of this stuff. Hell,

1135
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: I ain't seen none of them, not going to a

1136
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: school and becoming that. He's oh, he's gonna be great,

1137
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna be great. So he went to Adidas and

1138
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: then boom, boom boom. When he finally came, he was

1139
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 2: out on campus and I went over with him. We're

1140
01:22:53,760 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 2: working out. We did about three hours with no basketball. Nope.

1141
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:05,919
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, whoa. Now. When we were leaving,

1142
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 2: I said, I said, cold, man, I ain't seen nobody

1143
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 2: work out. He said, you saw m J. Right, I say,

1144
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. I think that's all MJ do. Yeah,

1145
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew you saw m J.

1146
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I know you.

1147
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, But that is that what they called the

1148
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: mamble that matter of fact. True. We were talking about

1149
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: that the other day and I asked the guy he's

1150
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: from Africa, the King of the jungle. He said, you know,

1151
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 2: there's only but one king of the jungle, I said,

1152
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: what is that that lie in there?

1153
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: He no? I said, what.

1154
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 2: Black mumble? I said, you say that venom is deadly

1155
01:23:54,560 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: when they strike it sober, it's over ten fifty. So

1156
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: when you look at that mentality, what they actually are

1157
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 2: capable of doing? The body is the body is the body.

1158
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: People keep thinking that, hey, they got all of these

1159
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: physical traits. Yeah, and that's everybody. Oh hell, Dominic could

1160
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,879
Speaker 2: probably jump high in him, there's a zillion.

1161
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Now this.

1162
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 2: That clock is wound a little different, and I would

1163
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 2: tell them, I mean, this is the here's the real difference.

1164
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: That ain't a great way to live life on a

1165
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 2: court perfect life? Who you holding to them? Who can

1166
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: you hold to that? I mean, think about that. You're

1167
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: trying to hold somebody to those impossible even yourself daily

1168
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: you can't do it.

1169
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, oh.

1170
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: What she did?

1171
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: What he was?

1172
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Another? He was forty five minutes and you called out

1173
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:12,879
Speaker 2: the workout?

1174
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: What is that?

1175
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean those standards?

1176
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: So you're getting tired of talking about it, But that's

1177
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: how they why shout out to Ben Affleck. We had

1178
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with him about six weeks

1179
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: ago on another project, but he talked to us about

1180
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 1: Air and obviously Chris Tucker portrayed you. I may in

1181
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: that in that film, and legend has it that's MJ's

1182
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: favorite movie is Friday. But talk to us about seeing

1183
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: Chris portray you and just kind of seeing that project

1184
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: come to life.

1185
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: You know that, I mean, you know Tuck. Tuck was

1186
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: the first one that called me, said he you know,

1187
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: they my agent called and they said, they want me

1188
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: to play you in this film. I said, get out

1189
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 2: of here. No no, no, no, no, I'm serious. I'm serious.

1190
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: I said, they want you to play me in a

1191
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: and I said, seriously, can I said, okay, okay.

1192
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: We started.

1193
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know if I'm gonna do it,

1194
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: but boom. Then Ben went down to visit with Michael

1195
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: because he said, if you don't want me to do

1196
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 2: this project, I won't do it. And they talk. He said, well,

1197
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do a project about me and Nike,

1198
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 2: h got to be in there. That's been my mentor

1199
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: He's guided me, you know in the book. I don't

1200
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 2: know if I could make it my time in the

1201
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: lead without him. Valle Davis need to play my mama

1202
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: and hey, Ram that's I like, after being there, that's

1203
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: my guy too. So now Ben called me. Tug said,

1204
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: Ben gonna call you, been gonna call you so, and

1205
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 2: he talked about all the little nuances about the Moses

1206
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 2: and this and all of these things, which actual all

1207
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: was in the film. And then Tuck, I think, you know,

1208
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: Tuck did the great job. You know, Tuck was Howard White.

1209
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: Tuck played Howard White, and that I mean, I thought

1210
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: it was great because that's my guy. So when you

1211
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 2: look at what that is, what that film is, a

1212
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: lot of people were all that true. I said, that's

1213
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: a movie. But even Phield Knight said after he said,

1214
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: he said, that is the best representation of early Nike

1215
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: that I have ever seen. So people want to know

1216
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: what details that ain't what you look at? What you're

1217
01:27:53,880 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: looking at? How did this become the big picture? And

1218
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: so I I loved it. I loved it. I think

1219
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: that you know, being sent me one and looking at

1220
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 2: it and we all looking as Wow, first of all,

1221
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,919
Speaker 2: you're in a movie that's crazy within itself.

1222
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker too, I'm a huge Chris White.

1223
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 2: In a movie, a real movie, a movie on the screen,

1224
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: and talk good people. I mean We had known each

1225
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: other since. You know, we used to MJ's golf hour

1226
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,480
Speaker 2: that we would have over in the Bahamas.

1227
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: And how's your golf game? By the way, you've been

1228
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: around I don't. You don't golf.

1229
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 2: How here's the problem. See, remember we started know thyself well,

1230
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: respect and what I know about me. It's a little

1231
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: bit of that. It's I'm relentless. If I want to

1232
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: do something. I didn't just want to ride a bike.

1233
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: I wanted to really ride a bike. I had to

1234
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 2: go to the two to the front l arms Lance. Lance.

1235
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: We talking, and I mean over there and boom boom.

1236
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: He went it to Hey we called. That's called m J.

1237
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Him his last house. He just won. Boom boom. So

1238
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: I traveled everywhere with the bike. I mean, I'm gonna

1239
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 2: be a cyclist. When I wanted to play basketball, I'm

1240
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: too stupid. Now I said, I'm gonna play all night.

1241
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play. So I knew that the problem was this.

1242
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna be good at golf. You gotta go to

1243
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: the putt and green, you gotta go to the driving ring.

1244
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 2: Everything you gotta go to. That's like, oh yeah, you

1245
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: gotta do this. I can't do that because I get

1246
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 2: addicted to things. Okay, I'm gonna start swimming. After I

1247
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 2: almost drowned my daughter we was over, I'm like, because

1248
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't, you know, I grew up by the water.

1249
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: But though fakes swim and we got out. The thing

1250
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: got a little too far out there. I said, Oh

1251
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: the Lord, if I fell off of him, I'm an

1252
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: drown her trying to So I had to come back

1253
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: and start taking swimming lessons. I took swimming left. How

1254
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: were you well, I was grown. I mean she was

1255
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: at that time, probably eleven or twelve, so, you know,

1256
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: in my fifties. And I'm like, so now I got

1257
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 2: to go swimming. At every turn I traveled, I had swimming,

1258
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 2: stay at hotels with pools. I mean, my whole life

1259
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: became I'm gonna swim and became pretty good swimming. I

1260
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 2: knew that was the exact same mentality.

1261
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: That I would take a golf playing with all the time.

1262
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: See my wife, They said, well, will he come, She

1263
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 2: said no, He owned the bike five hours a day.

1264
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 2: He do no. Why do you think I wanted to

1265
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 2: play golf and be out there all night? And the

1266
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 2: reason I never played? Remember the people you were around.

1267
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: MJ left when it was dark, he came back when

1268
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: it was dark, and it's the summer. No, they playing

1269
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty six.

1270
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: No too much.

1271
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: So now to beat them, I mean, I got to

1272
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: be out there even longer.

1273
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: You made a good choice.

1274
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: So I said, no, I saw you your golf instructor,

1275
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 2: and they say it's addictive.

1276
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh super.

1277
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: See huh No, No, no, this was crazy. Now. I

1278
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 2: generally the most money that I would ever carry with me,

1279
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: it's like one hundred dollars. Because when I was growing up,

1280
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: my uncle Buster was in the shipyard and they say, oh,

1281
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 2: he like make one hundred dollars a week. I was like,

1282
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: that's a lot of money. Wow, And then once that

1283
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: I'll keep one hundred dollars. So when they gambling and

1284
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,520
Speaker 2: he get down him, give me that hundred.

1285
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: Dollars, come on him. I got on it.

1286
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't give me, give me a hundred dollars. So

1287
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 2: I got to give him one hundred dollars. You would

1288
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: always get it, but.

1289
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: That was their world.

1290
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I go to Vegas with them, damp all night, playing card. No,

1291
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to bed. I'm gonna do what sensible people do, right,

1292
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 2: so I think therein becomes how people see you. One

1293
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 2: guy told m J he was out, he was out,

1294
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, probably God for drinking a little. And they

1295
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: said the guy said, you know age, you know I

1296
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 2: know age. Yeah, that's my mentor not to deal with

1297
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: that drink in your hand. You might as well come

1298
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: on follow me because you ain't following him. So again,

1299
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 2: how people choose to see you. On the back of

1300
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: that book, Charles Barkley m H was like, the good

1301
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 2: angel hold your show, telling.

1302
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: You what not to do.

1303
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 2: So my responsibility to them because now I got to

1304
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 2: talk to Granny, I got to go talk to Mama Jay,

1305
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 2: I gotta talk to Tita. No, because their expectations. Uh

1306
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: oh he was a good it's good. Somebody said, well

1307
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: I told my wife, Oh you told him what No no, no, no,

1308
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 2: no no no, put not put me in that mix.

1309
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 2: So again, it's the world. If you want people to follow.

1310
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 2: And I can tell you I told him, mister Knight.

1311
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying my guys would do what I ask

1312
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 2: him to do, but I am saying that they were

1313
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:15,839
Speaker 2: all listening.

1314
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: So all you can hope for.

1315
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: That's it.

1316
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: As a parent father, that's I hope. I hope they

1317
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: listen before we get you out of youd A couple

1318
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: questions too. Obviously, I Nike you for a long time.

1319
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Do you have any bou Jackson or Deon Sanders stories?

1320
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 2: Well? Prime, you know, Prime is my guy. He was

1321
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: on the foot when he came over. Well, I want

1322
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 2: to be on HS team. You know, I want to

1323
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 2: be on hious team. Now, I remember that the night

1324
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 2: I met Prime, a good friend of mine, they had

1325
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: dinner and hey, come over here and meet Dione. So

1326
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 2: I went over and we hit it off. Now they

1327
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 2: were gonna play ball the next day. You know, I

1328
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: had knee, So Y'm gonna come out there. Oh wait,

1329
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: don't that's all. I'll be fine. But I did go

1330
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 2: out there, probably put me back about two street weeks ago.

1331
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I went out there. But what Prime was was really good.

1332
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: What people don't know when the guys he said, hey,

1333
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: this ain't what we do. You know what apologize to

1334
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: that person? What to say something kind? Tell them, That's

1335
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: how we do it. That's how we do it. So

1336
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: being able to be a mentor. And when he came back,

1337
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 2: when he went to Colorado and he came back and

1338
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 2: he was like I ain't. No, I'm not gonna be

1339
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 2: with Nike. And then when I called him, I said

1340
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 2: you're good. I'll make sure you're good. He's, oh, you

1341
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 2: got me? I said, you good.

1342
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because I didn't got every new Dion

1343
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Sanders since and I didn't. I appreciate that them. Just

1344
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: come to the house. I'll be wearing them to the gym,

1345
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: Like where'd you get those from?

1346
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Being so prime? Prime is just good people. I mean

1347
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: he he really is. He's good people. And what they

1348
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 2: people see a Prime and they think, oh, that's who

1349
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 2: Dion is. No, he is one of those meticulous people

1350
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 2: that really really really sees himself as a mental leading

1351
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 2: people take it. So you know that that's my guy.

1352
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 2: That's my guy. Bou Both Jackson, you know Bot we

1353
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 2: I mean, we we're close. You know, I think Lyn

1354
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: was dealing with him, but Boul would always come through.

1355
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 2: And you know, there was a time when Bo said

1356
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 2: I'd never wear another Nike. It I'm done, never wear

1357
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 2: another Nike, and then brought him back in. And because

1358
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 2: Bowl and m J were very close, so we all

1359
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 2: became very close again. If you with them, then the

1360
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 2: whole world circulates through that, so wanting people. Obviously Bolt

1361
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:25,759
Speaker 2: was talented, talented, so again, everybody needs somebody to believe

1362
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 2: in them. That's just the way the world works. All

1363
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: of my guys I believed it, and hence I was

1364
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 2: rewarded by their believe in me. And the reason for

1365
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 2: me doing that it's Nike. Nike actually gave me access

1366
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 2: to a world that would be hard to fathom, a

1367
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 2: world that they allowed me to create because it was

1368
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 2: bigger than people just wearing a product. It always came

1369
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: down this.

1370
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: Is who we are, you said. Something important though, especially

1371
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 1: for athletes, is being able to trust. For them to

1372
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: be able to trust you speaks a lot about your

1373
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: character because we need a ton of bad character people

1374
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: along this journey. And for these guys to be able

1375
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: to hone in on you and know that they can

1376
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: count on you, that says a lot about the man

1377
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: you are as well.

1378
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 2: Well, my guy one of my obviously a big bull,

1379
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: but Alan iverson a I Baba Chuck because I'm from

1380
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 2: Hampton and I remember that day Boo called me Boo Williams.

1381
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 2: He said, I got one.

1382
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: What you know, I got one?

1383
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 2: But I need help with him?

1384
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Who is that? He said?

1385
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 2: Alan, as I need help, so I go down It

1386
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 2: just so happens. His guidance counselor Pat. We were in

1387
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: school together, so she's like, she's you exactly what he needs.

1388
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: So we became like that, and his mother and I

1389
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:21,440
Speaker 2: mean we were all just very close. And Bubba Allan

1390
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 2: when he signed, I remember boom boom, we worked together.

1391
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sign him first.

1392
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: You were gonna sign him the Nike.

1393
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 2: Well Boo called me. He said, h he out of school. Man,

1394
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 2: he leaving school.

1395
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: I said, it's done so because in college.

1396
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 2: Majority, Yeah, he just came home in a brand new bend.

1397
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: He ain't gonna back to school. He said, really, you

1398
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 2: need to come down here because Anne, or do whatever

1399
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 2: you wanted to do, you need to come down here

1400
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 2: sign him now. So I called mister Knight and I said,

1401
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: I said, feel that's it. You know they told me

1402
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 2: that Alan out of school. He's not going back. He said, well,

1403
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: I talked to John Jump. I said, I just told

1404
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 2: you he's out of school. He's not going back. He

1405
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 2: called Jump, Well, I think he's coming back. He said, well,

1406
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: John think I said, he just came home in a

1407
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 2: brand new bend. He is not going back, Well, you know,

1408
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 2: because of John, you know, let's let's don't do anything, okay. Now,

1409
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 2: then David and all of them got involved in boom

1410
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 2: boom boom, and I mean again, I love that kid.

1411
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: And we got out. We came out and David was

1412
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 2: doing all the negotiations and Rebarker got in and rebark said, well,

1413
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, we'll pay, but we want to give you

1414
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 2: on top of that this marketing money. So when you

1415
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 2: do marketing, you know you already got the money. We

1416
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: already put it there. So that kind of drove it

1417
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:11,759
Speaker 2: up pretty high. Now, we probably could have changed it around,

1418
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 2: but that's like more than Jay was making. That's there's

1419
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: no way on any planet I'm doing that. Well, we

1420
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 2: could no. No, that ain't happening all my people. We

1421
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 2: could do.

1422
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: No.

1423
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 2: And I remember he asked his mother, what about h

1424
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: She said, well, we kind of We're gonna go for

1425
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 2: the money. And I love him even when we see

1426
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 2: each other day. That's my God. And I think in

1427
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: that and this is just being selfish. I think that,

1428
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 2: but had been one of my guys that I think

1429
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 2: it would have really help telling a lot of ways.

1430
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: If you're the good angel on the shoulder. Yeah, I

1431
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: definitely agree Tiger Woods.

1432
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 2: T Woodie that t Wood is pretty special. Now, first

1433
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 2: time I met Tiger, we was out on campus. Mom Tee,

1434
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: the Earl, his dad, and we were all just sitting

1435
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 2: around having had lunch, and I'm listening to this whole conversation.

1436
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 2: Earl Tee didn't say a lot then, but it's basic

1437
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 2: Earl Tiger, and I listened. I left there and I

1438
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 2: called MJ. I said, m said, hey, hey, hey, I

1439
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 2: just saw you. He said, what, I just saw you

1440
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 2: take away the basketball court, the vehicle. I just saw you.

1441
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 2: You said. You never said anything like this. I said,

1442
01:42:53,560 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 2: it's a golf course, but I just saw you. I

1443
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 2: just saw you. And obviously if we see what Tiger,

1444
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 2: it was that mentality that drive that fierceness. Remember, Earl

1445
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 2: was a Green Beret and he has probably all his

1446
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 2: life this is what he put into and Tiger was

1447
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 2: so young. I don't know how, you know, it's hard,

1448
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 2: but when I walked out of there, I saw that.

1449
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 2: You know, we went and went to the First Masters

1450
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: and these things, and you know there was a mental

1451
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 2: and that's all you know, he had the ping. We'd

1452
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 2: be at the house he'd be playing. Man, he was

1453
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 2: not that kind. But you saw the will to win.

1454
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 2: You saw a will to win. So again, how you

1455
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 2: see the world inside.

1456
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 1: The world sees you any tiger? The m J golf

1457
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:04,839
Speaker 1: stories they do what any Tiger and MJ golf stories?

1458
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I ain't not on that golf course.

1459
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: I was wondering had you heard anything? All right? Man,

1460
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: this has been absolutely incredible. We got a couple of

1461
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: just quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let

1462
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 1: us know, top, that's gonna be tough for you. It's

1463
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 1: like all your babies on top of your real children.

1464
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Top five Jordan Sneakers of all times modeling make you

1465
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: know h you.

1466
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: Would obviously have to say one. You know that kind

1467
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 2: of set the standard. I think that you would also

1468
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 2: have to go to Tinker threes. Threes, you have to

1469
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 2: go to threes. And I think that you know, obviously

1470
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 2: eleven those are my favorite special and the boys that

1471
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 2: you know, he always thought the boys made they be

1472
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 2: winning this to a prom. I think that you know,

1473
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 2: even when you look at the four to follow up

1474
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: the three, Tinker's right on it. I'm gonna tell you

1475
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 2: a secret one that the ten if you looked at

1476
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 2: the ten on the bottom, all the MJ's accomplishments when

1477
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 2: he wasn't playing this when he was playing baseball, So

1478
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: that probably filled then that gap. Yep, it was able

1479
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 2: to keep that thing broll.

1480
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: Well. I was gonna ask that this might be the

1481
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: answer to that. Yeah, membery just pointed to him. Yeah,

1482
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: pointed to him. What's the most underrated? Jordan Sninker?

1483
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 2: You feel like underrated?

1484
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1485
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 2: When you think about underrated, I think you have to

1486
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 2: think of, Okay, what's the underdog? Sadly he killed in

1487
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 2: everything he will. I mean, so when you look at

1488
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 2: what is what is under or over generally speaking, we

1489
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 2: have to then look at what sales did versus what

1490
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 2: he did. Maybe maybe the one we find out it

1491
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: was a food poison and game versus the flu game

1492
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 2: to overcome that and do what he did.

1493
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I ain't mad at that. I get that. Your proudest

1494
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: moment at being with Nike.

1495
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:54,799
Speaker 2: My proudest moment, Oh boy, there have been some moments.

1496
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 2: Probably my proudest moment at Nike had nothing to do

1497
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: with a shoe. My proudest moment was probably when Matt

1498
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 2: mister Knight's son passed, and when mister Knight got up,

1499
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 2: he said, simply, if you have children, make sure you

1500
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 2: spend time with them. If you don't have children, spend

1501
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: time with a neighbors children. If you don't have neighbors

1502
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 2: with children, give to organizations that take care of children,

1503
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: because they are our future. Amen. So I think, I mean,

1504
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 2: when you look at it from a father's standpoint, a

1505
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 2: grieving father's standpoint, it was about the future state.

1506
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 1: Your favorite signature game of MJ's career.

1507
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 2: Who boy, now that is a tough one. My favorite

1508
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:22,640
Speaker 2: signature game I've seen them all. That is real, you know.

1509
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 2: I think my favorite signature moment overcoming the pistons when

1510
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 2: you've been beat down, beat down for three years. And

1511
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 2: I said something to him, that's something. I said, Well, man,

1512
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: everybody got sick. Everybody had this. He asked a simple question.

1513
01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 2: Have you ever had anything like that? I said nope.

1514
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 2: He said, nor have I. And maybe we're holding the

1515
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 2: world to impossible standards. Just because I can overcome a

1516
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 2: lot of things, that does not.

1517
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 1: Mean the world can.

1518
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 2: So when you see that, then they go back the

1519
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 2: next year and win the Breakfast Club, having hop come over,

1520
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 2: having Pip come over, you know, lifting weights six seven

1521
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 2: in the morning, having breakfast, then going to practice. That's signature.

1522
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: I love that. That's stout. Just probably think the morst

1523
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:48,599
Speaker 1: Ones can put you on the spot the most. If

1524
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: you could only wear one Jordan model for the rest

1525
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 1: of your life, which one would it be?

1526
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:54,720
Speaker 2: One?

1527
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 1: Just?

1528
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: Well maybe the two? Could they the h white shoes?

1529
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: Okay? Why did Nike decide to hire you and what

1530
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 1: was the deciding factor?

1531
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 2: I have no idea, you know. I think what happens

1532
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 2: is that when I told you that just recently, let

1533
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 2: me see it. Within the last six months, I asked

1534
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 2: John Lucas, why me? Now you have to remember, you

1535
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 2: know the number one player picked in the draft in

1536
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 2: the NBA draft. Here's a guy that you know, great

1537
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 2: tennis play, knew all of these people in the league.

1538
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:39,640
Speaker 1: Why me?

1539
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 2: He said, Well, you want me to ask you that?

1540
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 2: I said, yes, morals and values the spirit, he said,

1541
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 2: morals and values. And I asked his sister about the

1542
01:50:57,479 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 2: week after that child who had been going with the

1543
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 2: guy with Kenny. I said, why did you Why did

1544
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 2: you recommend me for Nike? Now, I this is what

1545
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 2: Harol said. Now back then in the eighties, I knew

1546
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 2: it was God's plan for union. And I don't know

1547
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 2: how to debate that. I said, really, I knew it

1548
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 2: was God's plan. And Luke now remembered that this. Yeah,

1549
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 2: they didn't know everything under the sun, but there was

1550
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 2: something that they all said, hell shuffling down the hall,

1551
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 2: going to the different rooms. Oh, Whitey coming and I

1552
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:53,599
Speaker 2: just eat munchies up and we But there was something

1553
01:51:54,080 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 2: for whatever reason they saw that they believed in. Nike

1554
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 2: really never saw me, Kenny, I'm sure told him, Hey

1555
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 2: this guy blah blah blah bah. I think this guy

1556
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 2: you sent a resume. They probably talked, they left it.

1557
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 2: They never.

1558
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Saw me.

1559
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 2: They hire me, So I would assume, hey, East Coastfield rapped, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1560
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 2: Maybe they just didn't know that they would have an

1561
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 2: evangelist for their brand, someone that unbenounced to them could

1562
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 2: carry the meaning of brain. So maybe there are the

1563
01:52:53,760 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 2: universe or their eyes when it said when I said, well,

1564
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 2: maybe it ain't supposed to be no great basketball player.

1565
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 2: If I was, why would I keep getting hurt that

1566
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 2: said must not be here for that h So maybe

1567
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 2: sometimes you just follow the yellow brick road, don't get

1568
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 2: off where it say no, no trust passing, don't don't

1569
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 2: get off there, don't go eat the apples over there,

1570
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 2: stay on the yellow brick. And I think that I've

1571
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:40,839
Speaker 2: been fortunate that for forty some years that the world,

1572
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 2: or not the world, but the Nike world, has seen

1573
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 2: me as something more than just a guy that's there.

1574
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 2: And I believe in this place. And it's not the

1575
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: selling of anything, it's the belief in everything, yep. And

1576
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 2: for me around the world, when someone says they can

1577
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 2: put on that swoosh or they can put on the

1578
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 2: jump man and say, man, man, what can I do?

1579
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 2: What can I do? Because if they think H did something,

1580
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 2: which H hasn't done much of anything. And the significance

1581
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 2: of surviving a heart transplant, Wow, what does that mean?

1582
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 2: It means that, in effect you exist because someone else

1583
01:54:54,640 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 2: had to leave. I owe a debt of gratitude. I

1584
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 2: owe a thank you to the universe. I owe a

1585
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 2: thank you to a drug company that could make a

1586
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:16,839
Speaker 2: drug so that other people may not have to suffer.

1587
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 2: That's a big responsibility. And because the little old Lady said,

1588
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 2: kindness will never go out of style. Even a dog

1589
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 2: can wag his tail when it passes you on the street.

1590
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 2: So Nike probably did not know they were hiring me

1591
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 2: for that. They probably thought they were getting that ex

1592
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 2: basketball player that is an ex basketball player. They had

1593
01:55:52,000 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 2: no idea that they would begetting someone that believe in

1594
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 2: the simple premise what greatness really is. And I can

1595
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 2: tell the world this, Matt right on your show. It's

1596
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 2: pretty simple. You want something in life, have a crystal

1597
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: clear vision. Decide what you're willing to give up or sacrifice.

1598
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 2: In a world that not many people are willing to

1599
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 2: give up anything to get what they want, write it down.

1600
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 2: They say on that twenty percent of the people in

1601
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 2: the world have written definite positive goals just by writing

1602
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 2: it down. Hell, you don't surpass eighty percent of the

1603
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 2: people on the planet. Go out and make it happen.

1604
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 2: You will fall, you will scrape your knees, you will cry,

1605
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 2: you will pound the ground. But when you emerge, and

1606
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 2: I offered my guys asked me last night.

1607
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

1608
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Wow. Garrett asked me the other day he was on campus.

1609
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:27,840
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, you one of those apex predators. I

1610
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 2: said no, because that's dominance, myles, Garrett, that's what you do.

1611
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm emergants I am the transformation of a little boy

1612
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 2: that struggled to become a decent athlete, to become the

1613
01:57:53,560 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 2: one person of a single letter on a uniform, to

1614
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 2: going to Nike, to being able to help transform and

1615
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 2: help young people believe that they could be greater than

1616
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 2: whatever sport they played. We all conclimb the dragon Flies,

1617
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 2: that only only animal that lived a whole life underwater

1618
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 2: and a whole life in the air. My movie The

1619
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 2: dragon Flies is a statement of transformation, not just for

1620
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 2: H White, but for the world. Thank you, sir.

1621
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I love that when you look back at that first

1622
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: breath to where you sit today, give me one word

1623
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: that will describe your journey.

1624
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Emergence there it is well.

1625
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: You appreciate your time, and you're a living legend. You

1626
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: mean so much to so many different people, and we

1627
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you sitting down and taking time to share a

1628
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,320
Speaker 1: little bit of your story with us. Man, appreciate you.

1629
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me H White, h the godfather of Nike.

1630
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 1: Man, you guys seen it. You're here with me.

1631
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 2: Man.

1632
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: You can catch this on All to Smoke YouTube and

1633
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: the DraftKings Network. We'll see you guys next week.