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Speaker 1: Right into it. Sleepers love this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: Last year.

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Speaker 4: Let's see Jaden Daniels was the big hit for us

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Speaker 4: last year on this show. So let's see what we

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Speaker 4: got going on this year. I think you got a

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Speaker 4: It didn't quite work out, but I think it might

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Speaker 4: this year. Who you like at sleepret quarterback Shaw?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sticking with kle Williams again this year. It's worth mentioning.

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Speaker 2: I did say Sam Darnold this time. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: to the well here with Kle Williams again. He had

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Speaker 2: but he still finished quarterback fifteen, so it wasn't, you know,

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Speaker 2: a complete disaster in fantasy. But we have to remember

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Speaker 2: he lost his head coach, his offensive coordinator in season

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Speaker 2: He took you know, sixty eight sacks, although I saw

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Speaker 4: let's just up to running back. Last season, he nailed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's uh, I think Sean Payton definitely

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Speaker 4: like I wish their ADP's were flipped honestly, because it's yeah,

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Speaker 4: But on this Chicago team, I don't think they have

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Speaker 3: He goes by Bill, That's what he says.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't even hear that.

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Speaker 3: Why does he go by Bill?

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Speaker 4: Well, Bill, I think he could be you know, he's

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Speaker 4: But if they're looking at trade Robinson, it's got to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to talk about Bill just for a

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Speaker 3: So if you're looking at our ranks, you know, he's

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Speaker 4: raw pre median projection right now up to about running

437
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 4: about running back fifty where he's going. Yeah, but a

438
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 4: basketball I actually bumped him up into you know, I

439
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 4: think like thirty into the low thirties. So because you know,

440
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 4: you don't have to you don't have to predict when

441
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Speaker 4: it's going to happen. But even in regift, I'm gonna

442
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 4: bump them up a little more. It's just like you said,

443
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 4: it's tricky. I would like to see some resolution to this.

444
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 4: We're probably not going to get it, but yeah, it's

445
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 4: probably just gonna be a like essentially projecting more carries

446
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 4: for Washington than like, you know, like usually I have

447
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: everything top down, adding up to the amount of team carries.

448
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: That you would expect.

449
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 4: But because we're seeing we're dealing with a potential trade,

450
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Speaker 4: there's like x percentage chance that Robinson's carries come somewhere

451
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: else or he just is you know, like on ice

452
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Speaker 4: or something like. I mean, the fact that he sat

453
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 4: out a preseason game like in in anticipation of being

454
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 4: traded is not ideal because what if that happen. You know,

455
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 4: that could also happen in the regular season. I don't

456
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 4: think it would, but you never know these kinds of situations.

457
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: So Robinson, I think is a big loser here. But yeah,

458
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Speaker 4: I think I think I want j CM and or

459
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 4: Bill in uh in you know, right in that that

460
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: range where you take your shots at running backs in

461
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: the you know, mid thirties.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's the Bell curve IQ guys

463
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: right where the low IQ guys like, let me just

464
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: take this unknown seventh round.

465
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Speaker 3: Or why not? Uh?

466
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 2: And then the guy in the middle thinking too much

467
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: about it, you know, seventh round capital we can get

468
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: into why he fillow the seventh round.

469
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: It's not due to talent.

470
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: And you know, if you remove his twenty seven yard

471
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: touchdown in preseason, the average one point nine yards per

472
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: carry on the other tin of attempts has come up

473
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: with excuses not to take him, and the two hundred

474
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: IQ guys like, just take Bill because he's going late

475
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: enough where he can't kill you, right, Like, I mean,

476
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: you can still get him outside of the top fifty

477
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: and all these guys are gambles in a sense where

478
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 2: they probably do need their teammate to get hurt in

479
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: order to offer value. But there is a clear path

480
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: for him now, for Bill to offer RB three value

481
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: without even needing an injury. So he kind of separates

482
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Speaker 2: from the rest of the pack in my model. So

483
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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm projecting him right around like RB

484
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Speaker 2: forty seven. But just one news break where Brian Robinson's

485
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: traded all of a sudden, He's in our top thirty.

486
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to capture that at the moment,

487
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: but he is definitely still being underdrafted in my opinion.

488
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: Anytime he goes, you know, outside of the top fifty.

489
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he I don't think he will

490
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 4: for too much longer because in basketball, he's already going

491
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 4: in the you know, in the in the thirties. So

492
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: I think, you know, most people are probably going to

493
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: have their draft this upcoming weekend and the weekend after,

494
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: so by that point or the week after, so that point,

495
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: by that point, I think the cat will be out

496
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: of the bag with him and maybe you have a

497
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 4: resolution with Robinson.

498
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Speaker 1: But I mean that kind of was the news.

499
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Speaker 4: The fact that he was on it because Robinson had

500
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: a good season last year, and I mean you look

501
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: at all the other backs on the roster like Journeyman

502
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: and an Eckler who's older and you know, kind of

503
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: struggled at times last year. So yeah, I think I

504
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 4: think it like this is this is big news already.

505
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 4: Just the fact that you know this is on the table,

506
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: well that kind of you know, Lefeld, do.

507
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Speaker 3: We know where he might go?

508
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: Because if Brian Robinson Junior goes to like Dallas, that

509
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: you know impacts our rankings there, Like do you have

510
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: an idea of what teams might be interested in him?

511
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Speaker 4: Or I mean, so Houston has been really tight lifted

512
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: with the mixing situation, but maybe maybe Houston would be

513
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: They seem to be a team that doesn't mind those

514
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 4: kind of like veteran guys. I think San Francisco could

515
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 4: be a potential destination just because that I think they

516
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: have a relationship there with those two teams and you know,

517
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: GM wise or whatever, and uh, you know they're running backs.

518
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Speaker 4: I mean, did we talk about this in the in

519
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: the in the like a couple maybe a couple of

520
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: weeks ago with the forty nine ers, like all their

521
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: running backs are dropping like flies, except McCaffrey because he's

522
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: well basically on ice.

523
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Speaker 1: But they could use it.

524
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Speaker 4: They could use another body running back, so early down

525
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: again they.

526
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Speaker 2: Have they have the running backs he typically likes to draft,

527
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, speed stirs that run into stack boxes.

528
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: It's it's it's brutal.

529
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: It's a great scheme, but it does unfortunately to a

530
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: ton of injuries. Not saying that's what's going on here,

531
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: but yeah, I could see that being the case. That

532
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: would have less of a fancy impact because you know,

533
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: CMC would still be the guy. But if he does

534
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Land and you know Dallas or I don't know Cleveland,

535
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: you know, he could be the guy right away. So

536
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: if he does get traded, obviously crosskey merrit Stock goes up.

537
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it could impact the other depth

538
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: chart as well.

539
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's kind of a wait

540
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: and see. I mean, maybe a team like New Orleans,

541
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, they have like a new regime,

542
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: and I don't know if Kellen Moore is kind of

543
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: trying to lose games like everyone thinks they are going

544
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: to do, so he would be a fit there. But

545
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 4: really kind of too early to or it's just kind

546
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 4: of up in the air because there's not a oh,

547
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: Kansas City, Kansas City.

548
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, throw another running back in that room.

549
00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: Why not be a they need absolutely too.

550
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So we'll get to wide receivers in

551
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: a moment, but first let's do a would you rather

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00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 4: segment presented by Yahoo Fantasy Sean. We've discussed running backs.

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00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: We're about to get into wide receivers. But since we're

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Speaker 4: talking sleepers, assuming you've got all your fantasy draft spots field,

555
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 4: and you have one final bench spot available at your

556
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: last draft pick, and you got an equal amount already

557
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: on your roster of running backs and wide receivers, would

558
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: you rather use that last pick for a sleeper at

559
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: running back or a sleeper at wide receiver?

560
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: Ray Bun you know where I'm going with this. One chance,

561
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm going with another running back. You're You're way more

562
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: likely to strike gold on a late round running back.

563
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: Just give them the nature of the position, because you know,

564
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: there's a ton of running backs who are just an

565
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: injury away from providing potential RB two or even more value.

566
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: That That's why I like stashing.

567
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: You know, a ton of those types of back cups

568
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: on my bench if possible, and why I'm trying to

569
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: you know, target three or four wide receivers very early

570
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: on because that's a tougher position to rely on in

571
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: season because if someone like you know, Zay Flowers are

572
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: ruled out, it doesn't mean that Rashad Batman's all of

573
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, wide receiver two, because those targets,

574
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: that usage tends to get distributed across other teammates. But

575
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: you know, if a running back goes down, you know

576
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: a lot more of those available snaps and usage goes

577
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: directly to one player. So it's you're much better off

578
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 2: having you know, high upside back or running back on

579
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: your bench just to increase your chances of you know,

580
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: striking goal then having another receiver.

581
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I completely agree it's running back all day receiver.

582
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: You can pick one up if you really need one.

583
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: End season, You're not You're not going to get a

584
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: number one wide receiver that that late almost almost never,

585
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: and even if you did, you're probably still going to

586
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: It would be more valuable if you took that shot

587
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: and tried to find a running back. So all day

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00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: running back for Sean running back for me in terms

589
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: of where we'd spend our last pick, and that is

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Wide Receiver Sleepers twenty twenty five. Sean, you nailed Brian

615
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Speaker 4: Thomas Junior last year. That was quite the quite the

616
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Speaker 4: callout because he, I mean, he was not just a sleeper,

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Speaker 4: He ended up being a league winner.

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Speaker 1: So where are you going this year?

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Speaker 3: Well, first off, I'm gonna go with Calvin Ridley.

620
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Speaker 2: And it seems like it's been a decade since Calverley

621
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Speaker 2: made my sleeper list, but here we are.

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Speaker 3: I think now's the.

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Speaker 2: Time to kind of buy in on him because he's

624
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: still being drafted in the wide receiver you know, thirty

625
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: plus range. But he's a player who's been moving up

626
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: my ranks quite a bit since the preseason started. He's

627
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: up to my wide receiver twenty three. Actually, I just

628
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Speaker 2: think he gets a big boost with cam Ward. He'll

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Speaker 2: I mean he only played seven snaps with cam Ward

630
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Speaker 2: and he dropped three catches for fifty yards. I think

631
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: the connection is going to be way better than cam

632
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Speaker 2: Riley and Will Levis from last year. And you know,

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: cam Ward I like him as a prospect, but he

634
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: does have some Jamis Winston vibes. He's currently the favorite

635
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: right now at plus seven fifty to lead the league

636
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: in interceptions, and you might think that's a bad thing,

637
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: but not really because he's he's a big play hunter.

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00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 2: He's probably going to force it to Ridley more than

639
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 2: he probably should. But that's excellent news for Ridley. And

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Speaker 2: you know, if you think about it, for every interception

641
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: picked six that cam Ward's going to throw, it's just

642
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 2: you know, they get the ball right back and they

643
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: got to be even more pass heavy. So I think

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: Campboard is an excellent fit for what we want from

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: cant Ridley, which is more catchable targets this year, especially downfield.

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, the market's a little too

647
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: low on really right now. So like getting him, yeah,

648
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, as my wide receiver three or even start

649
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: filling out my bench. But love is upside this year

650
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: and two other receivers just kind of wanted a hammer

651
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: home once again, is you know Roma Dunsay and Ricky Piersoll.

652
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: I think there's solid bets for a year or two

653
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Speaker 2: breakout after shaky rookie seasons. A Doomsay just couldn't get

654
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: on the same page with Caleb Williams last year, but

655
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: the opportunity was there. He had twenty six targets twenty

656
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: plus yards downfield, that was the sixth most, only caught

657
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: four of them. Again, just a little bit better timing,

658
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: a little bit better scheme with Caleb, and you know

659
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: he could pop on those. And he had seventeen end

660
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: zone targets, which is the most, only caught three of them.

661
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: So again, the opportunity is there. He's still an elite talent.

662
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: I do think Caleb also is as well. So this

663
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: year we could be sleeping on a duneesday, falling outside

664
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: of the top thirty. And Piersall he had a much

665
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: different rookie season where you know, he was shot this

666
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: time last year, so you know, he wasn't able to

667
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: play football until mid season, and you know they drafted

668
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: him the first round. He was never really supposed to

669
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: be you know, top target his rookie season anyway. But

670
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: heading into this season, you know they lost Deebo Samuel

671
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: I supposed to miss you know, the first six plus games.

672
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings has been out with injury and you know,

673
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: contract dispute, So I think they're rolling into Week one

674
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 2: expecting Piersall to be the guy. So I think he's

675
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: another guy that you know, outside of the top thirty.

676
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: Definitely willing to kind of invest in a year or

677
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: two breakout for both these guys.

678
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they're they're in great situations.

679
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: I mean the offensive coordinators, uh, you know, the guys

680
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: running the offenses are great. They have quarterbacks, so there's

681
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: really no excuse. And yeah, I'm with you on Ridley,

682
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: like he's he's he just can be a target hig,

683
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: he's a that's there's such a drop off with Tennessee

684
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: from you know him to just everybody else on that

685
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean, who could the number two guy in targets

686
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 4: on that team by the end of the year.

687
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: It could be Gunner Helm for all we know. It

688
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: could be.

689
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 4: It could be, it could be I a minor, could

690
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 4: be like any one of those receivers. I mean, Locket

691
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: still there or is there now, It's it's just kind

692
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 4: of a mess. But Ridley, he's setting up for a

693
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: potential monster year. So like that one, I got three

694
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: I'll go first. A guy who's been kind of falling

695
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: down draft boards and I'm buying the dip all day

696
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 4: on is Jay Flowers. I know we've you know, they're

697
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: kind of talking about, oh, you know, they don't need

698
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: him to go for a ton of a ton of

699
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: yards and all this stuff. But he's still their number

700
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: one receiver. They're number one, really the number one target

701
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: at this point, given what they were doing with Mark

702
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: Andrews last year. So I'm not buying all this, uh

703
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: you know, oh, he's just kind of capped or whatever.

704
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: This guy he put up two he put up two

705
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: pretty pretty good seasons to start his career already in

706
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: very run heavy offenses. And I think this year, you know,

707
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry getting a little bit older. If Derrick Henry

708
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: has any type of injury, misses any type of time,

709
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: Baltimore could only get more pass heavy, I think. And

710
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson's playing just incredible football. So Zay Flowers, I've

711
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: seen him fall, you know, outside the top thirty in

712
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: certain spots. We'll see where he ends up going in redraft.

713
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: I think it'll still be in the mid to low twenties.

714
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: But that's you know, there was a point where he

715
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 4: was going, you know, high twenties at wide receiver sometimes

716
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: into the teams.

717
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: So really like to dip buying the dip on him.

718
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: This is just kind of preseason hype or the you know,

719
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 4: I guess the opposite of hype. But it's nothing substantial

720
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: really happen. And I think with za Fires nothing really

721
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: changed for him. So and he was on the fields

722
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: ninety plus percent of the time, one of the highest

723
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: route rates last year of ANUE wide receivers.

724
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: So like him a lot.

725
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden, I've talked about him all off season, but

726
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 4: he had a great path to be in Green Bay's

727
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: number one receiver right off the bat. That could really

728
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: happen with just how everything's shaping up. I mean, Watson's

729
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: gonna miss the start of the year. The other receivers

730
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: have just been getting hurt at different points, and that

731
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 4: includes Jayden Reed, that includes Dobbs, that includes Wish.

732
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Wicks have missed a ton of times.

733
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: So I think Golden really is going to merge here,

734
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: be like in every down player for them. Remember Dobbs

735
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 4: even was their top route runner and he would top

736
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: out usually around eighty percent. I think Golden has a

737
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 4: chance to be a ninety percent plus type of player.

738
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: So like him and Jordan Love, he can still sling

739
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: it deep down the field. Very efficient season last year

740
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: for Love kind of went under the radar because he

741
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: was hurt and he had some interception problems early on

742
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 4: in the year, but still top five, top six numbers

743
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: in terms of efficiency for Love. Now he's got a

744
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: guy that can go deep down the field, uh and

745
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: probably plays more downs.

746
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: So Love Golden and one more a Mecca Buka, another

747
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: rookie Tampa Bay man.

748
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: I mean, first you had Godwin with the with the

749
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: mysterious second surgery. Looks like he's gonna miss the start

750
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: of the year, and now Jalen McMillan looks like he's

751
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: gonna miss. Could be the whole year, could be half

752
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: the year. A lot of people think, you know, Colaser

753
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: team think is gonna be at least half the year.

754
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: He's on the IR. So Abuka is going to be

755
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: a top three receiver, looks like either way for Tampa Bay,

756
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: and he's gonna start probably as the number two guy

757
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: because I don't know if Godwin starts the season on

758
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 4: the roster or you know, on the active roster either,

759
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: and I just don't think he's given that up. I

760
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: don't think a Buka is giving up a top three spot.

761
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: I think he was gonna have it anyway, even if

762
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: McMillan was, you know, even if everyone was healthy, I

763
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: think he would have surpassed McMillan, like right off the bat.

764
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: So really like Abuka.

765
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: Now, if Tampa Bay is gonna do anything close to

766
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: what they did last year, it's gonna it's gonna have

767
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: to go a lot more through a Bouka than I

768
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 4: think anyone anyone thought so that that pick is looking

769
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: smarter and smarter for them, because they really did rely

770
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: on and I mean, to their credit, they had a

771
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: lot of guys contributing last year, but I don't know

772
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: if that was sustainable, especially with Leam Cohen out of

773
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: the out of the pitchers.

774
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: So I think a Book is gonna have a massive role,

775
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: and he was.

776
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: People will wonder why he's playing outside early on, Well

777
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 4: that's why, because probably gonna have to play outside receiver

778
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: for them right off the bat. So uh yeah, Flowers,

779
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: Golden and a Mecha Book, all guys in that in

780
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: those thirties range that I think could put up top

781
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: top twenty, even top fifteen numbers if everything goes right.

782
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bucah's one of those guys where his ADP just

783
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: can't even catch up to where he should be drafted

784
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 2: right now.

785
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: Uh, just everything is lying up for him.

786
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: He's probably the most polished NFL ready wide receiver prospect

787
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: from this year's class. And yeah, he'll probably taking over

788
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: that Chris Godwin role until he returns, and then he's

789
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: still going to have his own unique role in an

790
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: offense that is more than capable of supporting multiple, you know,

791
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: fancy relevant pass catchers. So yeah, I agree, he's definitely

792
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: still getting slept on. He's he's now inside my top

793
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: thirty five, so you know home legs where he's still

794
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: going outside the top forty easy pick there.

795
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's I mean, how early would you pick him? Like,

796
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: I think anywhere outside the top thirty, right, it's kind

797
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: of you kind of take your shots.

798
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, anywhere outside the top thirty that. Like you brought

799
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: up Zay Flowers, like I would love to get Day

800
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: Flowers as my third receiver. Cal Ridley, there's that the

801
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver two tier. We dubbed that the frozen Pond

802
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: tier with you know, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Devonte Adams,

803
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: where the Dj Moore, Garrett Wilson all excellent receivers, but

804
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: you can get guys with similar upside you know, a

805
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: few runs later. So I've been you know, loading up

806
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: on these receivers in the wide receiver thirty range, and

807
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Buca is one of them where you know, you could

808
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: have a Lad McConkie type rookie season and where you know,

809
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: he's averaging over five catches a game. That would not

810
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: be crazy at all, especially now with the you know,

811
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: god of an injury potentially being more severe than we've thought.

812
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: McMillan now out at least half the season. It's all

813
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: lining up for him to have just a you know,

814
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: an amazing rookie season.

815
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: And what and what one thing I do like too

816
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: with a Buka.

817
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: I think Tampa Bay has just really done a good

818
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: job with you know light at GM, just kind of

819
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: replenishing the talent and finding some gems in the draft

820
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: and making making the right moves. You know, they that

821
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: transition from Tom Brady into Baker Mayfield, and uh they

822
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: just continue to win that division and make the playoffs,

823
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 4: and uh that gives me a little bit more confidence

824
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 4: in a guy like a Buka who and he was drafted.

825
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: People are like, well, what the hell? They didn't really

826
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: need him.

827
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: They're already loaded, and they had guys like fifth, sixth, seventh,

828
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 4: aight on the depth chart contributing meaningfully last year. But

829
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: that's the whole point. They don't They don't want to

830
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: have to use those guys. And uh, I think a

831
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: Buka is just a solid all around player. Who Yeah,

832
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 4: I think he could have one of those kind of

833
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: lad Maconkae like seasons. And remember God, who was what

834
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: the wide receiver two overall last year? That could be

835
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 4: the role of Buka starts with immediately Now William Crohn's gone.

836
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: But you know, a Buka couldn't be more you know,

837
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: more talented than God would even we don't know. He's

838
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: a he's kind of a unknown because he hasn't you know,

839
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: played a regular season snap. So yeah, a lot of

840
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: upside there for a Buka. All right, let's go to

841
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: tight end and last year Kate out and your guy

842
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: finally came through.

843
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: Love it.

844
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: I had zach Ertz that I remember talking to about

845
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: him all all all seasons. He came through and tast

846
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: him when he was healthy. I wish he was healthy more,

847
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 4: but he was fun well lasted. Where are you going

848
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: this year, tight end sleepers?

849
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean we just recorded our tight end

850
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: pod yesterday, and I think you and I were both

851
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: high on the rookies Colson Lovelin and Tyler Warren. It

852
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: just makes total sense if you miss out on the

853
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: top three tight ends. You know, once George Kittle is

854
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: off the board, I am essentially punting tight end for

855
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: the next several drafts and just trying to land one

856
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: of these rookie tight ends a little bit later. They

857
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, they're being drafted around, you know, the tight

858
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: end ten, tight end twelve range where we have seen

859
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: rookie tight ends hit early in the past two seasons.

860
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: In fact, the tight end one overall the past two

861
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: seasons has been a rookie with Sam Laporta and then

862
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers last year.

863
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: So both these guys fit that profile.

864
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: These guys are absolutely top five tight ends long term,

865
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: and it could happen as soon as this year. So

866
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm willing to kind of roll the dice on them

867
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: later on. If they don't pan out, they don't pan

868
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: out and you could easily you know, pick someone up

869
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: in season. So I think the draft strategy is to

870
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: land one of these guys if you miss out on

871
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: the top three. Now, if they're gone, everyone else is gone.

872
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: I think one guy I think would be, you know,

873
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: makes sense to kind of start as your week one

874
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: kind of guy to see what happens would be John

875
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: hus Smith because you know, if you miss out on

876
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: the top twelve tight ends, including those two rookies, yeah,

877
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: you're going to have ten to fifteen potential league winners

878
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: sitting on the waiver wire to begin the season. Where

879
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, that's where Brock Bowers came from, That's where

880
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: John hu Smith came from last year. So why not

881
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: take a flyer one of those guys? John new Smith,

882
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: who was the tight end five last year. You know,

883
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: he was in a different situation completely in Miami, but

884
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: he was able to command targets away from Tyreek Hill,

885
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle Devon a Chian to put up tight end

886
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: five numbers. So that's that's definitely worth something. And now

887
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: he's in Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers under center, where outside

888
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: of DK Metcalf, I'm not sure he has that much

889
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: competition to be the number two target, and in fact,

890
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, DK met Caf has been more of a

891
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: quality over quantity type receiver. There's a decent chance John

892
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Who could just be the top target in this offense.

893
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: So it's worth it's worth just finding out. I think

894
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: the likely situation is he and Pat Frymouth are in

895
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: kind of an annoying time share, but he's worth, you know,

896
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: taking a gamble early on. We'll know early on based

897
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: on their usage kind of what to expect the rest

898
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: of the season with John Hue. So that's kind of

899
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: why I like taking him as like a week one

900
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: flyer in deeper leagues, if you miss out on everybody,

901
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, it makes sense to kind of start the

902
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: season with him and go from there.

903
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

904
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: Remember twenty twenty three John Smith with Arthur Smith near

905
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: we put up tight a tight on one season. He

906
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: was he ended up what was it tight ended seventeen

907
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: on a year, but he was the backup. He was

908
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: the number two behind Pits and raised Kyle right exactly.

909
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean they were aggressive and going out

910
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: to get John Who, and we saw the kind of

911
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: upside he can produce and yeah, I see no problem

912
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: with taking a flyer on him. I just don't think

913
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: people know what to do with him. So it's just

914
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: kind of he's kind of just floating around in drafts.

915
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 4: Sometimes he doesn't get drafted at all. Sometimes he goes fifteenth,

916
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: Like it's just all over the ways. But I agree,

917
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: I'll go with some kind of less sexy guys, more

918
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: more guys that you can probably get a decent floor

919
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 4: in redraft and might end up being a lot more

920
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 4: every week startable than you think.

921
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: The first guy, Dallas Goddard.

922
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: He's been a top twelve tight end in terms of

923
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: points per game each of the last three seasons. You know,

924
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: he's been, and that's with low volume offenses and just

925
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: a lot, a lot of competition for targets. Now, last

926
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: year he was kind of playing when other guys did

927
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 4: go down, but very high target per route rate, well

928
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: over twenty percent, one of the top rates among tight ends.

929
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: And you know, I think there was like this question

930
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: of whether he was going to come back this offseason,

931
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: whether they're going to bring him back, and they ended

932
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: up reworking his deal, so he's back. This is a

933
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: guy who was playing eighty five ninety percent of the snaps,

934
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: past snaps into the postseason.

935
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: That's the kind of tight end he can be.

936
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas Goddard ends up

937
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: is like the tight end six, just because there is

938
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: a bit of a mess in that called it that

939
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 4: frozen pond tier after the top three. So Godard, I'm

940
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: not sleeping on him. You can get him sometimes outside

941
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 4: of the top fifteen, even at tight end. Another guy

942
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: Brent and Strange. I think always got to mention these

943
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: Jaguars guys Strange could be this year, is Kate Otten

944
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: or in William Crones offense, or he could just be

945
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: a bigger part than we think.

946
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: We really haven't seen too much of.

947
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: How they're going to use him, but I think he

948
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: is going to be the starting tight end and run

949
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 4: a lot, probably been near the top of the league,

950
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 4: and in terms of routes, run just like Otton was.

951
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: So that's all you can really ask for the tight

952
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: end sleeper. And that's what kind of led me to

953
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: Zach Ertz last year. And I think Ertz maybe under

954
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: valued again because you know we're talking about you know,

955
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: Terry mclauren, what's the status with him. Yeah, Ertz was,

956
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: you know, their top target a lot of the time

957
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: last year, like mclauren was doing a lot on efficiency Ertz.

958
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: You know, there were games where Ertz would catch a

959
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: ton of balls. He's you know, he's old, we know

960
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 4: he's probably he might miss games. But in redraft that

961
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 4: doesn't kill you. Just you don't have to spend any

962
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: draft capital on him. We just drop him if he's hurt.

963
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 4: So I think zach Ertz is another guy where you

964
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: could just see what happens and you might might just

965
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 4: walk into kind of like a repeat last year, kind

966
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: of like with John Smith.

967
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: So like zach Ertz a lot as well. You can

968
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: get Tighten nineteen twenty even that's too well, Yeah, yeah.

969
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: But he makes a ton of sense similar to Jon

970
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: new Smith, where you kind of just start with him

971
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: as your placeholder, especially week one, because now that we're

972
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: getting you know, we're less than two weeks away from

973
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: Week one happening, and Terry McLaurin still hasn't signed, it's

974
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: even more likely that Ertz could have a bigger Week

975
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: one role specifically. So yeah, I like the idea of

976
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: starting off with like a higher floor option with him

977
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: and by your time to potentially add you know, a

978
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: league winner could be hers, who knows.

979
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just want to get your thoughts on

980
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 4: one more guy before we get out of here. I

981
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: actually should have mentioned too to At, well he's more

982
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: of a deep sweeper at wide receiver for me, oh,

983
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: because I think he's going to be every down guy.

984
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 4: And you know he got that ten million dollar deal.

985
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 4: But what do you think about that same concept that

986
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: we were applying to John hu and to Ert with

987
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: Tyler Higbee because remember who asked you when he came back,

988
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: he was just an absolute monster and he's just kind

989
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: of been. It's been quiet with him, but we know

990
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 4: Sean McVay loves him. From Tywer Higby, I know they

991
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 4: drafted the rookie, but that usually means nothing with Sean McVay.

992
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 4: So you think Tyler Higby might end up being another

993
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 4: one of those guys.

994
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: Just Higby is always an enigma because there's always times

995
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: he flashes his clear top five upside in this offense.

996
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, then the last year that was certainly the case.

997
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can diget. I think you know McVeigh

998
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: was really pissed at the depth chart behind Higbee last year.

999
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: I think that's why they took Terrence Ferguson. It could

1000
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: be more of an indictment on you know, Kobe Parkinson,

1001
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: Davis Allen than Tyler Higbee specifically. So yeah, I think

1002
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: people could be sleeping on Higbee. And McVay is known

1003
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: for kind of like red shirting his freshman or his

1004
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: rookies anyway, at least at the running back position. So yeah,

1005
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 2: it wouldn't shock me if Higby's back to his full time role,

1006
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, Top ten upside and we're all just kind

1007
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: of sleeping on right now.

1008
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: Would not surprise me in the slightest.

1009
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I.

1010
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: Mean they got rid of Hunter Long and they're in

1011
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: Ferguson is in his place. It could have sometimes it's

1012
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 4: just McVeigh is an offensive guy. So every single spot

1013
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: on the depth chart still matters. But that doesn't mean

1014
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: like they're gonna get playing time. Like didn't they carry

1015
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: Cody Schrader on the roster oh ye last year?

1016
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it. You gotta kind of keep things

1017
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: in context.

1018
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm just kind of what maybe a DFS

1019
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: player or something, But I just think Higbee is another

1020
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 5: Like I remember that post is just stuck in my

1021
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: mind that postseason run or that structure he had where

1022
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 5: when he came back he was he's getting targets and

1023
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 5: the Rams, I mean, technically you could have more targets

1024
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 5: up for grabs if DeVante Adam doesn't pan out for

1025
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 5: some some reason, which the Rams have been known for

1026
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 5: jumping a year too eight.

1027
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, just just that I'd run that VYU. But yeah,

1028
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 4: that's a good call.

1029
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: Let's say, like week one, he has a seventy five

1030
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: percent routes run rate. You know, we think that's going

1031
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 2: to hold. He would potentially push you know, our top twelve.

1032
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: So that's what we're looking for in week one for

1033
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: someone like him. Maybe you don't play in week one,

1034
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: but early on, if the signs are there, we know

1035
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: to you know, pounce on him on the waiver wire.

1036
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, there are tight ends.

1037
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's not I think last year there is

1038
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: more sexy options, but this year it's kind of constrained

1039
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: to the rookies, and some of these guys outside the

1040
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: top twelve are a little bit more, you know, they're

1041
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: not as like I think Ertz was more of a

1042
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: swam dunk last year, for example, But I feel good

1043
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 4: about Goddard, I feel good about some you know enough

1044
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: to say you can you can wait on on tight end?

1045
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: Are you shot? You find yourself doing the same wait

1046
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: wait on the Yeah.

1047
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, again specifically the rookies just because they do provide

1048
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: that upside. But yeah, again, the worst thing is to

1049
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: spend early draft capital and like an Evan Ingram's kind

1050
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: of like given a false sense of security where he yeah,

1051
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna be providing top fifteen value, but you're

1052
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: going to be missing out potentially on you know.

1053
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: League winners.

1054
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: Again, there's like ten to fifteen tight ends that are

1055
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: on the waiver wire to begin there. Who know, Kyle

1056
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: Pitts could be that guy for probably you know, but

1057
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: you kind of got to give yourself the option to

1058
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: do that. And if if you have like Rock Bowers,

1059
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: you're not even looking at the you know, waiver wire

1060
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: for tight end, what do you care? So you're competing

1061
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: with just a couple of guys like landing these top

1062
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: five upside guys. And again, if you punt tight end,

1063
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: you're you're in a better position to do that.

1064
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: So I think it's sneaky just to do that.

1065
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: And again, starting off with guys you think have a

1066
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: ton of upside obviously, but willing to cut bait if needed.

1067
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that applies to if we like, if we

1068
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 4: like the top three guys, it's I mean that still

1069
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: is gonna apply to seven to nine. Uh, you know,

1070
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 4: fantasy managers per league. So yeah, I think I think

1071
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: that's a good call. All right, that's gonna wrap it

1072
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,080
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