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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and former Congressman Barney Frank has died

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Speaker 1: at the age of eighty six. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today, the Jim Acosta Shows. Jim

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Speaker 1: Acosta steps by to talk about Trump's reckless spending. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Nevada Attorney General A run Ford about

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Speaker 1: his run for governor. Plus we have a special bonus

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Speaker 1: interview with the yales Ian Shapiro about his new book,

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Speaker 1: After the Fall, From the End of History to the

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Speaker 1: Crisis of Democracy. How politicians broke our world and it's

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Speaker 1: very interesting.

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Speaker 2: But first the news, Somi, there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: interesting elections last night. The Thomas Massey losing kind of

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Speaker 1: Seven million dollars from maypack.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two million dollars in all, making it the most

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Speaker 2: spent on congressional race of all time. Apparently. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty pretty nuts. But what we did see is we

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Speaker 2: saw the AOC endorsed candidate Chris rab At a big

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Speaker 2: upset to the Democratic establishment in pace third district. And

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Speaker 2: we saw our former guest Bob Brooks, when who people

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Speaker 2: we had him on.

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Speaker 1: Bob Brooks is one of this slate of working class candidates.

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Speaker 1: He was a labor union organizer and he came from

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Speaker 1: that world and he is the same idea of not

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Speaker 1: left versus center left, but up versus down. He is

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Speaker 1: a populist with a sort of anti elite message. He's

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Speaker 1: a Medicare for all guys, and he is from the

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Speaker 1: great state of Pennsylvania. He has been endorsed from everyone

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Speaker 1: from Josh Shapiro and Secretary Pete to Bernie Sanders. He

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Speaker 1: has a wide swath, it's a swing district. He's running

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Speaker 1: against Representative Ryan McKinsey. And the idea here is that

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Speaker 1: you have Democrats who are genuinely populoist, that you are

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Speaker 1: people who are genuinely running for this seat on this

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Speaker 1: working class you know, single payer values. This is going

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Speaker 1: to just read this quote from a spokesperson for working families.

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Speaker 1: Congress has enough lawyers, but there are very few actual

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Speaker 1: working people. And you know, we saw this with a

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Speaker 1: run for something. We love run for something, and we

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Speaker 1: often have her on and she talked about that she

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Speaker 1: wanted more renters, more people who were not wealthy, less

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Speaker 1: Dane Goldman's more of this sort of working people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he's retired fireman. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: really like I love the ways. But I encourage listeners

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Speaker 2: to go back and search your podcast app to listen

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Speaker 2: to that interview. I think he's a strong messenger. So

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Speaker 2: we see from this sleek to IRS memo that Trump's

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Speaker 2: slush fund is just outright theft. We're seeing already weeks

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Speaker 2: of the full on misuse of this. I just got

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Speaker 2: an email from the Center for Reproductive Rights that says

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Speaker 2: that this will fund will reward people convicted of attacking

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Speaker 2: abortion clinics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's just this is just completely crazy

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Speaker 1: and there's no world in which this is it's a

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Speaker 1: slush fund. It's unclear if it even made it to

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Speaker 1: the DOJ. I think there's a real chance that this

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Speaker 1: is none of this is legal. I bet my money

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Speaker 1: that even this very partisan Supreme Court, which is going

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Speaker 1: to have a really hard time because the idea is,

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Speaker 1: if a president has a slash fund, if he is

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Speaker 1: in a world where he can just do whatever he wants,

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Speaker 1: whenever he wants. I think there's a real chance that

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Speaker 1: this doesn't pass. Muster and again Todd Blanch, Remember he's

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Speaker 1: doing this for an audience of one. Todd Wanch is

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Speaker 1: doing this because he wants Donald Trump to make him

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Speaker 1: the head of the DOJ. He wants Pam Bondi's job.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so much of this we see these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we saw the Senate advance of resolution to

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Speaker 2: limit Trump's I RAN war powers. And there's a interesting

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Speaker 2: person who turned on the president from some recent events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who lost his primary. So we have

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Speaker 1: Phil Cassidy who lost his Senate seat in a primary.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump took him out because he voted for impeachment.

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Speaker 1: vote through. Casey means, Casey means wants to be surge

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Speaker 1: these people didn't care. It was never enough for them.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Trump is a it's never enough.

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Speaker 2: And then we see another Democrat whose name has Fetter

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Speaker 2: in it, that votes in favor of advancing the resolution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that fucking guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is a alarming headline. The world has

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Speaker 2: six months to avert major food crisis as un as

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Speaker 1: So there are all these second order of facts from

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Speaker 1: This means food prices are going to be more expensive.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember the richest man in the world, Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: went in and cut all of this food to impoverish nations.

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Speaker 1: because of Elon Musk. Not wanting USA to exist anymore.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to see more of this. And these

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Speaker 1: the second order effects of Donald Trump's worn around European Commission,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's important to realize, like all of

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to make reparations or they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to pay a toll. All of this happens

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Speaker 3: Hi Molli Hi, Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello. So we're recording this with the breaking news

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Speaker 1: is that the Trump administration is prosecuting Castro's brother, who

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Speaker 1: is ninety four years old, for sinking boats. Make it

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Speaker 3: I know what I guess this is over. Was in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, the Brothers to the Rescue were flying planes,

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Speaker 3: Force I believe shot them down. If that's that's my

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're charging him with murder. He's ninety, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brothers to the Rescue. Yeah. So forgive me. My

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Speaker 3: stop me. But you know, ral Castro obviously no longer

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Speaker 3: I mean this, you know, this happened with the Mariel

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Speaker 3: People aren't paying attention to this, but this could be

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Speaker 1: So I think what's so interesting besides the fact that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump ran on no more foreign wars and now

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Speaker 1: is just cannot stop, right. I mean, Venezuela, we're still

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Speaker 3: It's a and that's a very good point. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, slush fund from our tax dollars to pay Michael

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Speaker 4: It's totally ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would just say two things about Thomas Massey.

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Speaker 1: Two things can be true. One, Thomas Massey did a

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Speaker 1: really good job with the Epstein files and that was great.

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Speaker 1: Two and two, they spent a pack spent seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars to so that Massey would lose that seat. And also,

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't know, like with Ram Paul, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what percentage of mass He's anti interventionism is

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Speaker 1: connected to anti semitism.

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Speaker 3: We just don't Well, there was a little hint of

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Speaker 3: that in his remarks last night, which I thought, we're

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Speaker 3: kind of disturbing, So yeah, I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massy also, I think isn't he the one that

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Speaker 3: had the holiday Christmas card with you know, his whole

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Speaker 3: family carrying AR fifteen's or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but you know, it's these people,

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Speaker 1: are you know? In some ways? They have really lost

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Speaker 1: the plot in many ways, and the Republican Party is

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Speaker 1: kind of a disaster. So well, I do, you know,

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Speaker 1: I do he was the only Republican who stirved to

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Speaker 1: trumph basically, right.

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Speaker 3: No, and we should say to celebrate that, right. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump promised to release the Epstein files, and then a

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Speaker 3: lot of other Republicans said, yeah, let's release the Epstein files,

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Speaker 3: and then they got into office. Trump got into office

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Speaker 3: and said, hey, wait a minute, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: release the exactly. Yeah, gosh, are we ever going to

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Speaker 3: solve that Scooby Doo mystery? Would be a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun to get to the bottom of that. And Thomas

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Speaker 3: Massey is a casualty of that. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 3: that is the overarching story and Yes, the APEC thing

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Speaker 3: is part of this. Yes, the Ron Warrist part of this.

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Speaker 3: But this is about Donald Trump covering up the Epstein

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Speaker 3: files to me, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also Donald and Donald Trump going after his enemies. Now,

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Speaker 1: the question is, when Donald Trump goes after his enemies,

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Speaker 1: does that put his enemies in a place where you know,

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Speaker 1: they have his enemies tend to also be like John Cornan.

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Speaker 1: Next week, we'll see if John Cornyan, Texas Senator survives

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's uh, you know, has endorsed Ken Paxton. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ken Paxton is a person who has also survived impeachment,

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Speaker 1: who is has also committed you know, right, all sorts

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Speaker 1: of real, you know, actual and you know best, you know,

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Speaker 1: indiscretions at worse times. And that guy is Now the

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Speaker 1: question is whether or not he is going to survive,

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Speaker 1: And it seems like the polling says it seems like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna win. And with the corn In situation, Republicans

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Speaker 1: have put poured millions and millions of dollars into this runoff,

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump has endorsed at the last possible moment,

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Speaker 1: thus wasting millions and millions and millions of dollars and

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Speaker 1: making sure that the less electable candidate gets the mantle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This is kind of reminding me of remember Christine

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Speaker 3: O'Donnell when she ran for the Senate in Delaware. I'm

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Speaker 3: not a witch. Yeah, and you know she ended up

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Speaker 3: winning the nomination and then they lost a Senate seat.

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Speaker 3: The Republicans did in Delaware. I mean it's a little

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Speaker 3: bit more. Roy Moore is another one of these. But

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Speaker 3: to me, this kind of harkens back to and I

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Speaker 3: saw this take place a few times during the first term.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump will sometimes put his finger to the wind

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Speaker 3: and say, you know what, it looks like the guy,

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Speaker 3: this guy that I thought was gonna win, is not

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Speaker 3: gonna win. I'm gonna go with the guy who's gonna

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Speaker 3: win because he to him Donald Trump, it matters more

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Speaker 3: that he just gets that that that notch on the belt,

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Speaker 3: that that point in the wind column, in the endorsement

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Speaker 3: in some sort of like invented endorsement race that he

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Speaker 3: has playing out in his mind, rather than doing the

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Speaker 3: principal thing, which is to stick with somebody who's not

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Speaker 3: a nut as the and somebody who could win as

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Speaker 3: the Republican nominee in that race. But you listen to

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Speaker 3: Trump go off on James Tallerico, Like, listen to that

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Speaker 3: stem winder. You know that we've that is some nutty

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Speaker 3: stuff that flows out of his mouth about James Tallerico.

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Speaker 3: That gives you a sense as to how freaked are

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Speaker 3: they are freaked out they are about that Ruce. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and also tell Rico's already ahead. They haven't spent money.

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Speaker 1: Paxton has all sorts of negatives about him. And we

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Speaker 1: shall see Jim Acosta.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Elle, You're welcome, Molly anytime. Great

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Speaker 3: to see you.

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Speaker 1: A run forward is the Attorney General of the state

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Speaker 1: of Nevada and a candidate for governor. There. Welcome, Welcomeric A.

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Speaker 3: Raymond.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Actually I should call you General Ford because

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Speaker 1: you're the Attorney General of the great state of Nevada.

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Speaker 5: Oh you got that right. Listen, you got it right. See,

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Speaker 5: we come from a state where pronunciation matters. It's Nevada,

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Speaker 5: not Nevada, and it's a Ran not Aaron. And if

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Speaker 5: you mispronounce any you might get up charged. Don't call

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Speaker 5: me about that because that's not price guds. And when

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Speaker 5: you mispronounced my state.

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Speaker 1: And my names, that's right baby, all right. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk attorney general. You are a big important state, a

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Speaker 1: swing state, an ascendant blues state. I think so. And

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Speaker 1: also you're running for governor. Start by talking to me

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Speaker 1: about what you're doing right now as attorney general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, so I've been attorney general now for seven years.

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Speaker 5: Three of those have been overlapping with the Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: That's been hell been on undermining our rights and voilating

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Speaker 5: the law. And so a lot of my time, frankly,

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Speaker 5: has been spent beating Donald Trump in court, whether it's

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Speaker 5: over these unlawful tariffs that have added seventeen hundred extra

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Speaker 5: dollars or taken it out of the pockets of Nevadens,

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Speaker 5: or whether it was pushing back against an unlawful effort

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Speaker 5: to demolished to Department of Education and take a billion

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Speaker 5: dollars from the Vadist education system. I've been in court

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Speaker 5: winning We shoot him about fifty times approximately, and we

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Speaker 5: won eighty five to ninety percent of those cases. And

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Speaker 5: you know, the fact is it's about the rule of law.

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Speaker 5: I disagree with his policies, less about that. It's more

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Speaker 5: about the rule of law. So we've been dealing with that.

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Speaker 5: But also, you know, taking on scammers and bringing home

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Speaker 5: one point two billion dollars in opiuork recoveries, and just

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Speaker 5: being the people's lawyer.

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Speaker 3: That's what I've been doing as attorney general.

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Speaker 1: So why do you want to be governor?

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 5: Right now, folks in our state are living in the crisis.

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Speaker 5: This is an opportunity to flip a race. It's the

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Speaker 5: best opportunity for the Democrats. Joe Lombardo, our caring governor,

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Speaker 5: is overseeing an affordability crisis.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: I call it the Lombardo Trump economy, where everything is

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Speaker 5: more expensive, whether it's housing or healthcare, or gas or groceries.

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Speaker 5: Things are just too expensive right now. And we have

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Speaker 5: a governor who has been a door mat for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: who is cow child, kissed up and capitulated the Dauntrump

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Speaker 5: at every turn. And Nevadens deserve a strong leader who's

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Speaker 5: willing to not only push back against Donald Trump, but

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Speaker 5: to stand up for Nevaden's at every issue, whether it's

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Speaker 5: the affordability crisis or this again, this fell administration that

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Speaker 5: thinks it's above the law.

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Speaker 1: I would love you to talk about data centers because

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Speaker 1: that's my obsession. I'm obsessed with data centers. They have

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Speaker 1: gotten tax incentives. So talk to me about what it

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Speaker 1: looks like in your state with the data centers.

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Speaker 5: It's a daily conversation. Frankly, we have municipalities here, whether

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Speaker 5: north and south. Reno just put a moratorium on approving

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Speaker 5: new data centers, and down in Voda City they're having

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Speaker 5: which is in southern Nevata, they're having a conversation around

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Speaker 5: a new data center being proposed out there. I've been

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Speaker 5: all over the state talking to Nevadens. We have seventeen

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Speaker 5: counties here. I've been to every single one of them,

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Speaker 5: and probably at every stop someone is made the data

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Speaker 5: center issue. Here's what I've said. I've rolled out the

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Speaker 5: Affordable Nevada Plan to address what I've already talked about

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Speaker 5: the increased crisis. One of those issues is energy and

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Speaker 5: data centers, as we all know, take up a lot

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Speaker 5: of energy, and we've heard stories of consumers being hit

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Speaker 5: with the bill, so to speak. And you know, we

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Speaker 5: also second, you know I should say it. First off,

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Speaker 5: we live in a desert where water is a precious commodity,

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Speaker 5: and these data centers oftentimes have used water to cool

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Speaker 5: their facilities. So here's what I have said in my

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Speaker 5: energy plan, if data centers are going to operate in

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Speaker 5: our state, they're going to have to find an alternative

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Speaker 5: to water to cool their systems. Number one and number two,

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Speaker 5: they're going to have to build out the grid to

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Speaker 5: accommodate the amount of energy that they need, and they're

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Speaker 5: going to have to pay for it. And so these

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Speaker 5: are the types of conversations that I've had. But also,

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Speaker 5: and probably most importantly, frankly, is that there has to

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Speaker 5: be local municipal conversations like we've had in Reno and

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Speaker 5: Bodha City and over in Gardnerville, Nevada, where they're talking

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Speaker 5: about Rual, Nevada being affected by these as well.

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Speaker 1: Are you committed to you sing like solar? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you are in a big, sunny state. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these data centers seem like they're working pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: use the worst for the environment energy source.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, let's be clear, we do live in a desert

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Speaker 5: and we have a lot of sun here, and solar

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Speaker 5: and clean energy has been particularly important to me, not

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Speaker 5: just as Attorney General, not just as my days in

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Speaker 5: the states in it, but will be when I'm the

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Speaker 5: next governor of this state. Donald Trump and Joe Lombardo

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Speaker 5: haven't done a good job of protecting our solar industry.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm about ensuring that we can continue to

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Speaker 5: expand it to provide good union paying jobs as these things,

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Speaker 5: these projects are constructed and be able to be utilized

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Speaker 5: to add to the grid and help Nevada's be able

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Speaker 5: to have a more affordable energy costs as well.

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Speaker 1: You're running like just a tiny bit behind, So talk

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Speaker 1: to me about how you've gotten momentum in Nevada and

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Speaker 1: sort of what your plan is there.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, we have a real opportunity to flip

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Speaker 5: this governance seat in Nevada, but I can only do

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Speaker 5: it with the support of Nevaden's and that's why I've

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Speaker 5: been out there having conversations.

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Speaker 3: You're right.

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Speaker 5: For polls me neck and neck with Lombardo. One has

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Speaker 5: me tied a couple of halfd me down a point

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Speaker 5: of two or three, but the margin Era has all

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Speaker 5: you know, it's still three and a half. So this

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Speaker 5: is a literal dead heat and the best opportunity for

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Speaker 5: Democrats to flip a seat. But what's resonating with the

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Speaker 5: Battens is the fact that I know their pain. Listen,

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Speaker 5: I grew up eating You know, I happened to be

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Speaker 5: sitting on my desk right now. I grew up eating

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Speaker 5: stale candy bars for dinner. My dad worked at a

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Speaker 5: grocery store and found some stale candy bars behind the store,

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Speaker 5: near the dumpster, and brought them home one day. The

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Speaker 5: store couldn't sell them because it was stale, but the

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Speaker 5: Fords got to eat. So I keep this right here,

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Speaker 5: a score bar on my desk as a daily reminder

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Speaker 5: of what struggle looks like where I come from. I

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Speaker 5: have one in there on my nightstand, right. And so

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Speaker 5: I went from eating stale candy bars as a kid.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know what the world affordability meant, Molly, but

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Speaker 5: I know my parents couldn't always afford food, right. So

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Speaker 5: understanding the struggle going from eating stale candy bars to

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Speaker 5: becoming a single parent when I was in college, living

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Speaker 5: on Medicaid and which kept my son in me healthy

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Speaker 5: and on food stamps, which kept us faith enables me

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Speaker 5: to connect with the voter in a way that they

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Speaker 5: know I'm going to keep them at the forefront of

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Speaker 5: my mind when it comes time to make decisions that

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Speaker 5: are going to effect Nevadans. Whether it's the data center

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Speaker 5: issue you're talking about, whether it's trusting for good paying jobs,

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Speaker 5: whether it's for requiring benefits in these jobs. These are

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Speaker 5: the types of things that are resonating, touching on the

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Speaker 5: supportability crisis, and in every single arena is what's keeping

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Speaker 5: me neck and neckdness race. And soon as you know

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Speaker 5: we begin actually going up on TV with ads and stuff,

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Speaker 5: I think we're going to see a vast difference in

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Speaker 5: the polling.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna move ahead.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about this central sort of conflict of

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Speaker 1: life in Nevada of like the casino owners versus the unions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, there's a semiaty relationship, let's speak clear, between

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Speaker 5: the unions and our casinos, and generally speaking they get

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Speaker 5: along extremely well. And you know, I'm proud to have

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Speaker 5: the endorsement of the culinary union, for example, because they

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Speaker 5: know I'm going to stand up for them and their

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Speaker 5: ability to have a good life. And you know, I

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Speaker 5: have a lot of respect obviously for the industry that

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Speaker 5: drive our tourism economy. But what we see now is

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Speaker 5: that under the Lombardo Trump economy, unemployment is higher now

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Speaker 5: than it was when Joe Lombardo took office. It's one

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Speaker 5: thing to advocate for no tax on tips, like President

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Speaker 5: Trump has done, and I've advocated. Look, I lived on

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Speaker 5: tips at our Beg steakhouse. I would have loved not

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Speaker 5: having paying taxes on those. But you got to be

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Speaker 5: making tips in order to wear about taxes in the

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Speaker 5: first place. And tourism is down in our state year

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Speaker 5: over year ten percent, I think domestically, twelve percent. Internationally.

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Speaker 5: Maybe my numbers are back, are flipped, but down dramatically.

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Speaker 5: And the fact is this Lombardo Trump economy has caused

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Speaker 5: problems for casinos and workers alike. And I'm here to

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Speaker 5: try to clean up this mess that Lombardo and Trump

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Speaker 5: have cost.

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Speaker 1: Is Lombardo trying to distance himself from Trump.

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Speaker 3: You know, Kinder, He's trying to walk this line. Look,

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Speaker 3: here's the deal.

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Speaker 5: Though he is afraid to send up to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: He has capitulated and katout it every time, you know,

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Speaker 5: whether it was again these tariffs which have come in

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Speaker 5: and have ruined our economy, our tourism economy, tariffs that

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Speaker 5: I sued over.

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Speaker 3: I sued to.

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Speaker 5: Stop those unlawful tariffs and I won. And Donald Trump well,

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Speaker 5: I should say Donald Trump's friend on the ground. Now,

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Speaker 5: Joel Lombardo. You know what he had to say in

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Speaker 5: the first instance when he defindhed those tariffs, maybe we

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Speaker 5: need to and I quote feel a little pain from

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Speaker 5: these tariffs.

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Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, no, we don't. There's enough pain to

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Speaker 3: go around.

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Speaker 5: And then after I won the lawsuit, Molly, and I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to get the seventeen hundred dollars of moneys that

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Speaker 5: Trump has stolen through these unlawful tariffs. I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: get that refund. Joel Lombardo says, we don't deserve a refund.

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Speaker 5: Fuck in of nonsense?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, he's trying to walk

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Speaker 5: a line, trying to because he you know, he's gotten

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Speaker 5: Lombardo's a pardon me, He's gotten Trump's endorsement. And it's

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Speaker 5: interesting when he got that endorsement, Mally. If you remember

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Speaker 5: back in November, there was a big debacle around Snap

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Speaker 5: benefits where the Trump administration was trying to pit healthcare

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Speaker 5: versus Snap for example, and there were five hundred thousand

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Speaker 5: of Vadens who are going to lose their Snap benefits.

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Speaker 5: Remember I was on food stamps and so I understand

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Speaker 5: the importance of those. While I was out here trying

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Speaker 5: to win a lawsuit for five hundred thousand of vattens,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump was hanging out with his buddy on the

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Speaker 5: ground here, Joe Lombardo, because Joel Lombardo was trying to

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Speaker 5: get his endorsement at a five thousand dollars play fundraisers

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Speaker 5: where he was while I was saving food stamps for

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Speaker 5: in snap benefits for five hundred thousand of Vadens.

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Speaker 1: What are the issues that you're seeing locally besides data

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Speaker 1: centers and union protections.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's predominantly the affordability issues. You know, gas prices

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Speaker 5: because of Donald Trump's recklessly around war again that Joel

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Speaker 5: Lombardo supports have a sword to like five dollars in

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Speaker 5: a quarter, and Nevadens can't afford this right. These tariffs

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Speaker 5: I talk about have affected our economy. The voting issues

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Speaker 5: that we continue to see emanating out of a Trump

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Speaker 5: administration hell bent on undermining our right in their arena

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Speaker 5: are things that are on people's minds. Healthcare costs they've

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Speaker 5: skyrocketed over for over one hundred thousand Nevadens and another

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Speaker 5: one hundred thousand were kicked off of their off of

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Speaker 5: their Medicaid thousing prices if it recognized. And you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the worst statistics out there that I hate

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Speaker 5: to recite is that one for children in our state

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Speaker 5: don't know where their next mill is going to come from.

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Speaker 5: And you know what makes it worse is that Joe

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Speaker 5: Lombardo had an ability to address that issue by guaranteeing

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Speaker 5: school lunch as for our kids. He vetoed that bill,

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Speaker 5: he vetoed it, Molly, he vetoed it, and then said

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Speaker 5: we didn't have enough money for it, and then went

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Speaker 5: out and asked for and got twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 5: for new office furniture. As a kid, you can sell

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Speaker 5: candy bars for lunch, I can tell you. It's hard

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Speaker 5: to learn when you're hungry. And as governor, I sit

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Speaker 5: on the floor mally if it means I get to

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Speaker 5: feed my kids. That's the difference between me and a

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Speaker 5: Joe Lombardo.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because New Mexico, which has a Democratic governor

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Speaker 1: as you know, but is very near you just instituted

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Speaker 1: free childcare and there's a Republican running for governor and

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Speaker 1: is the first thing you want to do is take

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Speaker 1: away free childcare might be a loser for Republicans. I

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Speaker 1: would love you to talk about we're cruising into this midterm.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of people who are really anxious

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Speaker 1: about whether or not we're going to have free and

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Speaker 1: fair elections. Tell them they will, and explain why.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely out in particular, we have some of the In fact,

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Speaker 5: I think in my teachers came up with a study

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Speaker 5: that ranked us number two in terms of the fairness

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Speaker 5: and the openness and the transparency of our elections. And

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Speaker 5: I have a colleague and Secretary of State, Cisco Aguilar, who,

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Speaker 5: like I am, is dedicated to ensuring that our elections

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Speaker 5: are free, fair and accessible. We worked hand in hand

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Speaker 5: to push back against, you know, crazy efforts to undermine

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Speaker 5: the integ of these elections from the Trump administration during

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Speaker 5: its first term. Frankly, it didn't matter which as secretives

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Speaker 5: that I had, because I had a republic on the

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Speaker 5: first term, and she also defended our elections. I have

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Speaker 5: a Democrat right now who is fantastic, and we are

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Speaker 5: pushing back against Donald Trump from trying to undermine our elections.

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Speaker 5: And you know, Joel Lombardo is again Kyle tawen. I

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Speaker 5: keep using that word because that's what he's doing, even

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Speaker 5: when it comes to mail in voting, which more than

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Speaker 5: half of the Nevadan's used last go around, and it

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Speaker 5: gets up to seventy percent in our rural counties. But

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Speaker 5: they are fair, they are free, they are safe, and

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Speaker 5: to the extent that we have any voter fraud are prosecuted,

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Speaker 5: as evidenced by the fact that, as between me and

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Speaker 5: the last guy who was in his office, for example,

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Speaker 5: only one of us has ever prosecuted a voter fraud case,

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Speaker 5: and it ain't him, right, and it was only a handful.

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Speaker 5: So we should have confidence in these elections. I do,

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Speaker 5: and we will continue to push back against epis undermine

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Speaker 5: those last thing I'll say, as I've sued the Trump

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Speaker 5: administration twice now over unlawful executive orders attempting to undermine

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Speaker 5: and to interfere with the states' rights to run our elections.

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Speaker 5: We've gotten a preliminary injunction in the first case, and

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Speaker 5: we filed a motion in our second case to try

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Speaker 5: to get that case cited as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: All your color, welcome Ali, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Ian Shapiro is a political science professor at Yale University

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Speaker 1: and the author of After the Fall, The End of

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Speaker 1: History to the Crisis of Democracy, How Politicians broke our world. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Ian Shapiro.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thanks so much for having me up.

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Speaker 1: This book is called After the Fall. It is about

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Speaker 1: how we got to this crisis in democracy and how

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Speaker 1: politicians brought us there.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, you know, how we got from the incredible

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Speaker 6: euphoria and optimism when the Berlin Walk came down in

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Speaker 6: nineteen eighty nine to the malevolent politics of today. And

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Speaker 6: what were the parts not taken, the decisions foregone or

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Speaker 6: you know, taken, got us here. And it's not a

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty hindsight book. It documents that many serious people

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Speaker 6: inside and outside of government were saying, don't do these things,

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Speaker 6: and political leaders in both the center left and center

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Speaker 6: right parties here and in Europe ignored them or brushed

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Speaker 6: them off. And I've been very, very much complicit in

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Speaker 6: producing the drift to the right. This is not a

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Speaker 6: drift anymore, the drift becoming a dugues reminds me of

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Speaker 6: Hemingway's line when they asked, how did you go bankrupt?

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Speaker 4: And he said, first, graduately then suddenly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's funny because nineteen eighty nine, that's in my childhood.

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Speaker 1: But I was old enough to remember thinking the Berlin

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Speaker 1: Wall was a big deal and that we were, to

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Speaker 1: invoke Francis Fukuyama, we were at the end of history.

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Speaker 1: So what happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, My book's about the end of the end of history. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the argument of the book is that the US

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Speaker 6: and the Western Powers really squandered the moment at the

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Speaker 6: end of the Cold War. In international politics, what we

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Speaker 6: should have done was pretty much what we did at

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Speaker 6: the end of World War Two with the defeated Germany

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Speaker 6: and Japan, which the Marshall Plan and all that. Instead,

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Speaker 6: what we did was much more like what the victorious

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Speaker 6: Powers did after World War One, which produced the rise

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Speaker 6: of Hitler and so forth.

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Speaker 4: In Germany.

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Speaker 6: What we should have done is massive investments in the

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Speaker 6: post Soviet economy, folded them into the Western infrastructure and trade.

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Speaker 6: Yelson wanted to do it all through the nineties, and

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Speaker 6: so did Putin until we invaded Iraq in two thousand

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Speaker 6: and three and aggressively expanded NATO. So that's the big

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Speaker 6: story in the Nashley So interesting or in politics at home,

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Speaker 6: is that both political parties converged on center left parties

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Speaker 6: and center right parties Democrats and Republicans here, but the

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Speaker 6: same thing happened all over the older democracies and many

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Speaker 6: of the newer ones. They all converged on this neoliberal model.

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Speaker 6: It really starts in the eighties. The left were on

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Speaker 6: the defensive because canes in economics had apparently failed to

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Speaker 6: deal with the stagflation of the seventies, and that sort

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Speaker 6: of created the opening for the center right parties like

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Speaker 6: Reagan and Thatcher to mainstream these neoliberal thinkers who had

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Speaker 6: been in think tanks for decades.

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Speaker 1: Just waiting for their opportunity to pounds right. And so

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Speaker 1: stagflation made it look like capitalism wouldn't work without an

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Speaker 1: infusion of money.

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Speaker 6: It made it look like the standard Keynesian tools for

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Speaker 6: managing capitalism didn't work, and so was the kind of

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Speaker 6: hard boiled free market economics was. As Margaret Thatcher said,

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Speaker 6: there is no alternative. Tina became the slogan, and the

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Speaker 6: set of left party swallowed this.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 6: New Labor in the UK, Bill Clinton in the US,

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Speaker 6: Metron's about turning France.

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Speaker 4: It happened in many countries.

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Speaker 1: So the liberals were like mini republicans in a way.

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Speaker 4: Many mes, yeah, many means. They called it triangulation.

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Speaker 6: The idea is, well, you know, the left has nowhere

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Speaker 6: to go, so they'll just suck it up and deal

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00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 6: with it, and we will move towards the neoliberal agenda

868
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 6: and try and get their voters. There were two big

869
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 6: problems with it. One was trickle down didn't work. It

870
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 6: was trickle up. All the benefits of this neoliberal growth

871
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 6: model flowed to the top, so that you get for

872
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 6: decades and decades of wage stagnation, downward mobility, people expecting

873
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: worse things for their children and so forth. And they also,

874
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 6: you know what, the big thing they didn't realize was

875
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: that the financial crisis two thousand and eight completely destroyed

876
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 6: their legitimacy.

877
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 4: Because what did they do.

878
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 6: They panicked and they grabbed the Keynesian instruments they've been

879
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 6: attacking for decades and bailed out the banks, bailed out

880
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 6: the elites.

881
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: But you know, right, so this gets us to Obama,

882
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: right with the two thousand and eight financial crisis.

883
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and his response to the financial crisis was to

884
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 6: bail out the banks to you know, pay them their

885
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 6: bonuses with tarp money and all of that, while continue

886
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 6: to you know, doing nothing for the twenty million people

887
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 6: who lost their homes. And so basically, you know, it

888
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 6: became Keynesian for the elites, austerity for everybody else.

889
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Right, socialized the losses, privatize against exactly.

890
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 6: But what they missed was that nobody believed them anymore

891
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 6: because they had, you know, been completely blindsided by the

892
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 6: financial crisis. Alan Greenspan standing there in front of Congress saying,

893
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 6: I'm stand before you in shock disbelief all of.

894
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: This, right which they should have seen it coming a

895
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: million miles away, because it was these so prime mortgages

896
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: that got us here.

897
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what the right wing populist saw, and

898
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 6: particularly in the years following when the you know, the

899
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 6: stock making Martin came back, nobody went to jail and

900
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 6: Ron and all of those people, and you know, and

901
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 6: we've spent the government borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars

902
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 6: to bail them all out while doing nothing for the

903
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 6: vast majority. And that's what the populist leaders saw. That's

904
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 6: they saw their moment with just you know, Trump and

905
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 6: Marine Lapin and Nigel for raj and Orbon and all

906
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: of these people. They saw, you know, the alternative for Deutschland.

907
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: They were saying, you know, it's is back at Thatcher.

908
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 6: You say this no alternative. We say there is an alternative.

909
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: And it's us.

910
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: And so that's when they start mobilizing support by attacking

911
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 6: the elites and attacked as you know, corrupt, self serving

912
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 6: and all of that, and then it's off to the races.

913
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting that this theory because it

914
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. And again I don't want to

915
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: blame Obama because Obama was being advised by the same

916
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: people that Bill Clinton was being. Right, these were the

917
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: same people who had had this theory and he really did,

918
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: in fact, try to push back on it, and they

919
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: were you know, you have no choice. And by the

920
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: point in which Obama came on the scene, he really

921
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: had no choice, right, this was something that had been

922
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: or at least it would have been hard for him

923
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: to have argued for another choice so far down the road.

924
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: Well, I don't really agree with that, Okay, tell me.

925
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 6: Because yes, Obama had to bail out the banks and

926
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 6: stop the collapse of the world economy, but that also

927
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 6: gave him leverage. He could have insisted that the price

928
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 6: for bailing out Wall Street was bailing out Main Street.

929
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 6: And indeed, you know, you read the pop books about

930
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 6: that time when when Obama goes in to meet with

931
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 6: the bankers. At the end of the meeting, they are

932
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: the ones who has stunned that he didn't demand more

933
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 6: of them, and that he did other things that really

934
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: pissed off many people, like making the George W.

935
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: Bush tax cuts permanent.

936
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 6: You know, they were going to expire, and you know,

937
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 6: he even did it after he had been re elected

938
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 6: in twenty twelve, so it wasn't like, you know, he

939
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 6: could have just you know, usually inertia makes things hard

940
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 6: in the American system, but the inertia there that tax

941
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 6: cuts would have just expired, just.

942
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: Like the child tax credit expired, just like the Obama

943
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: Care premium tax incentives. Inspired like let those tax cuts expire. Yeah, so,

944
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, I.

945
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 4: Don't think Obama gets very good marks for this stuff.

946
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: But the person who set in motion this entire thing

947
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: are the Bushes, right, I mean, tell me who should

948
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: get the lion's share of the blame here.

949
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: I think it's bipartisan.

950
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the real reason we've got these

951
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 6: anti system parties and candidates all over the place. Actually,

952
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 6: you know, at the point of getting powered. I mean

953
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 6: after we had Patrick Buchanan, we had Ross Perreault, but

954
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 6: there was no real risk of those people getting power.

955
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 6: The reason is that both the center right and Senate

956
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 6: left parties converged on these same policies that basically screw

957
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 6: most people. And so you know, you expected from the

958
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 6: center right parties that's what they did for So I

959
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 6: think the Senate left parties have a huge amount of

960
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 6: the blame because it was them who clamber aboard the

961
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 6: there is no alternative agenda and said, you know, we

962
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 6: are better managers of neoliberalism than the Senate right. Huge mistake,

963
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 6: you know, Yeah, Bill Clinton, the era of big government

964
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 6: is over and all of that. And you know, Blair

965
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 6: privatized more than Thatcher. And in Germany it was the

966
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 6: Greens and the Social Democrats who put in the pro

967
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: business Hearts reforms, and France it was Miteral, So that,

968
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 6: you know, this Senate Left.

969
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: Is as much to blame.

970
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're now wringing their hands about the popular

971
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 6: but they don't you know, Macron was another one, hugely

972
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: complicit in all of this, So they have themselves to blame.

973
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: And probably in Canada justin Trudeau.

974
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, Trump said the Liberals by declaring war on Canada

975
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 6: two months before their election. Otherwise the far right populace

976
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 6: would have won in Canada as well.

977
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: So Mark Karney actually seems like a really smart guy, absolutely,

978
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: and it seems as if he has been informed by

979
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. The final because he took the

980
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: UK through the financial crisis or do you not agree?

981
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, who do you see who can fix this mess?

982
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: And also what would you say it would be the

983
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: first thing he would do, because obviously we have people

984
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: who are furious, we have leaders who are stupid, and

985
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: we seem to be at an impasse.

986
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 6: Well, I think you know what these countries all need

987
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 6: and the US needs it in spades, is his investment

988
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 6: in kind of economic growth that benefits most people.

989
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: Biden was trying to do that a little bit.

990
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 4: You know, he was starcrossed in many ways.

991
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 6: He was drinking out of a fire hydrant because of

992
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 6: COVID and so his the agenda got going very late,

993
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 6: and he was a terrible messenger, and so you was unlucky.

994
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 6: But actually, if you look at you know, the Inflation

995
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 6: Reduction Act, the Chips Act. He's the first Democratic administration,

996
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 6: just trying to rebuild the Great Society coalition for Lyndon Johnson.

997
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 6: I mean, you know Obama and Clinton, you know, had

998
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 6: basically drunk the neoliberal kool aid all the way, and

999
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 6: so I think Obama's policies were kind of a dollar

1000
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 6: short in a day late, and you know, Joe Manchin

1001
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 6: and Kristen Cinema defang them. But basically investing in infrastructure

1002
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: for the twenty first century, in transforming the workforce into

1003
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 6: people who can you know, the era when people got

1004
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 6: a job when they finished school, high school or college

1005
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 6: and worked for thirty years and retired.

1006
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: That's gone.

1007
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 6: People going in and out of the workforce twelve to

1008
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 6: fifteen times in their lifetimes. Now, so they you know,

1009
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 6: you need big investments in work, in retraining people and

1010
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 6: teaching people flexibility, in creating portable health insurance and childcare.

1011
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 6: People can work all of this stuff.

1012
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, but should you have portable health insurance or

1013
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: should you have government health insurance? The fact that like

1014
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: your health insurance is tied to your employment, and employment

1015
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: is so in and out, wouldn't it make more sense

1016
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: to have the government provide.

1017
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 6: Sure, there's more than one way to do it, but

1018
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 6: it's got to happen because if people, if people's insurances

1019
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 6: tried to jobs and they constantly are losing their job,

1020
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 6: that's insane. So, you know, I think the populace don't

1021
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 6: have any answers. You know, they're fighting the last war

1022
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 6: because they you know, they're screaming about immigration and globalization,

1023
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 6: but the jobs are not are not going on coming

1024
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 6: portry immigrants. They're going to AI. You know, they're going

1025
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 6: to you know that. So we needed to be focused

1026
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 6: on that, and I think I think there were people

1027
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 6: in the Biden administration who understood that. Gina Riamando, the

1028
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 6: Comments Secretary, she pretty much wrote the chipsack. People like

1029
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 6: that get it, and you know that's where the agenda

1030
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 6: that should be, you know, Project twenty twenty nine. I mean,

1031
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 6: my worry is that Democrats will stumble back into power

1032
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 6: because the Republicans are so unpopular, and then they'll look

1033
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 6: like the Starmer government in the UK six months later

1034
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 6: if they don't aren't ready to go, you know, and

1035
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 6: I don't see it happening.

1036
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, there needs to be some kind of plan for

1037
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. So I want you to

1038
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: say a little more about the central thesis of your book,

1039
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: that it was a lack of investment at the wrong times, right,

1040
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: that Russia. They left Russia on their own to sort

1041
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: of flail, and what happened instead was that they could

1042
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't go from agrarian to you know,

1043
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: service or whatever the economy was meant to be. And

1044
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: so they elected a populist. He was very smart. He

1045
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: sees power and made them a cryptocracy. Talk us through

1046
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: sort of what went wrong and what could have gone right.

1047
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, as I said, all through the nineties, Yeltsin

1048
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 6: was you know, usd if that and by the way,

1049
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 6: unlikely people were saying he's right. Richard Nixon, you know,

1050
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 6: long retired, said this is the moment stop worrying about

1051
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: you know, Hungary and the Czech Republic. We should be

1052
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: making massive investments in Russia. And he was right, He

1053
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 6: was absolutely spot on right. That was a missed opportunity.

1054
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 6: And when by the end of the nineties, actually Yeltsen

1055
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 6: was so pissed off with Clinton because of bombing Kosovo

1056
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 6: and the first editions to NATO. But then when Pudin

1057
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 6: came in in two thousand, he wanted to do a

1058
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 6: reset and he has. Actually he said, we are Europeans

1059
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 6: first and foremost we wanted you know, and.

1060
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: Even all kinds of people were saying, yes.

1061
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 6: You know, Biden at that time was saying, Pudin is

1062
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 6: the most pro democratic, pro Western leader Russia's ever had.

1063
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 6: Burlusconi in Italy was saying, yes, we should be doing this,

1064
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 6: and you know, and first the first George Herbert Walk abortion,

1065
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 6: then Clinton just ribbled out aid got him from crisis

1066
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: to crisis.

1067
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: In the nineties.

1068
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 6: In ninety eight, they had to go to the IMF

1069
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 6: for a bailout and they just brushed off Putin. And

1070
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: it wasn't until the invasion of Iraq, which was in

1071
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 6: two thousand and three, which was hugely unpopular in Russia

1072
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 6: that Putin started backing away. And then when we added,

1073
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 6: you know, Bush added seven countries in two thousand and

1074
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 6: four to NATO, and in two thousand and seven started

1075
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 6: talking about adding Georgia and Ukraine, and that's when Putin

1076
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 6: really flipped. Maybe he would have become an authoritarian dictator anyway,

1077
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 6: we don't really know, but there was a really it

1078
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 6: was like thirteen years it wasn't It was a big

1079
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 6: moment when Russians were really open and there were many

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Speaker 6: serious people in the West saying, you know, this is

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Speaker 6: it's just nuts to squander this moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we squandered it.

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Speaker 6: Brent Scrocraft, Sam Nunn, all kinds of people were saying this, George.

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Speaker 1: Kennan, you know, insane. So like, right now we have

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Speaker 1: this Ukraine War with the Soviet Union. I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think there's anything we can extrapolate from that? You know,

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Speaker 1: we're in it with the straits of her mooth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it seems like everything is just on fire yet again,

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Speaker 1: and that there's not great choices. But I'm just curious.

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Speaker 6: I think there are very few options in international politics

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Speaker 6: until the current leaders of Russia, China and the US

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Speaker 6: are replaced.

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Speaker 1: Really, you don't think she Jang Pin can? You can't?

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Speaker 6: Now, you know, we have played into his hands in

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Speaker 6: some any way. The biggest irony of Trump is that

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Speaker 6: you know, he's complaining about American decline while accelerating it

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Speaker 6: and everything.

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Speaker 1: The American decline I think he's doing.

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Speaker 6: It's been huge gift to the Chinese they're diversifying their

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Speaker 6: trade relations. They are greatly benefiting from this whole Middle

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Speaker 6: East situation. They are much bigger in their trade with Europe,

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Speaker 6: you know, you name it.

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Speaker 1: They're getting all our scientists, getting.

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Speaker 6: Our scientists, probably going to get our pharmaceutical production.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, you know, he's not.

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Speaker 6: Shooting American and the foot is shooting America in the head.

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Speaker 6: But in domestic politics, I really think that if the

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Speaker 6: mainstream parties get back into government, the big agenda has

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Speaker 6: to be massive investment in workplace, in infrastructure, and you know,

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Speaker 6: and some countries are doing it. The Germans are doing

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Speaker 6: it too. They have finally abandoned their austerity. They have

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Speaker 6: committed half a treaty and euros to infrastructure. You know,

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Speaker 6: that's like two point six treaty and invest in the

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Speaker 6: US economy.

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Speaker 4: It's really big.

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Speaker 6: Macron now is talking about eurobonds for infrastructure, partly because

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Speaker 6: he wants to be president of the European Commission. But

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Speaker 6: this is what these countries need. They need massive investments

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Speaker 6: in their domestic economies. And unless you do that, you know,

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Speaker 6: everyone says, well, Trump go, you know, but if you

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Speaker 6: don't do that, there's gonna be another Trump and another

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Speaker 6: Trump exactly.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you Ian Shapiro, so interesting.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 6: I mean, anyway, this this is the argument on my book,

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Speaker 6: available at a bookstore near you.

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Speaker 2: No moment, perfectly Jesse Cannon my junk fast. So Nancy Mace,

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Nancy May, who's running for governor in South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: is back on her performative bullshit, as they say, so

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Speaker 2: today she's advancing a congressional bill that would require congress

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Speaker 2: people and judges to be natural born citizens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the heartiest fuck you to Nancy Mace. My

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Speaker 1: woman is trying to have it both ways, trying to

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Speaker 1: do really sketchy stuff. Proved that she is a racist.

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Speaker 1: I'll also try. I mean, I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 1: she thinks this plays well in South Carolina, but it's

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Speaker 1: not going to pass. And it's just like one of

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Speaker 1: these stupid dog whistles to the base. And it's this

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Speaker 1: performative moronics that we see Republicans do all the time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just a very disappointing thing because

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Speaker 1: Nancy Mays has done some things that are not horrendous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in between setting interns for drinks the closest.

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Speaker 1: Thing you're going to get to. A compliment for Nancy

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Speaker 1: Mays for me is she did some things that weren't horrendous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they are not her fashion choices, but okay.

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Speaker 1: Not working in her office. But that she did it

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Speaker 1: was not her end. That's it for this episode of

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