1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Who are the major emerging candidates in this conclave and 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: where did this process come from? The Conclave Crew has 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: a lot of candidates and answers for you coming out. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to this Arroyo Grande series, The Conclave Crew Vatican Edition, 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: Episode two. We're pleased to be brought to you by 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: our friends at Taylor Frigone Capital Management, Faith, Family and Finances. 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: Visit them at taylorfragone dot com. Let's convene the Crew, 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Father Gerald Murray, canon lawyer from the Archdiocese of New York, 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: and Robert Royal, editor in chief of The Catholic Thing 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: dot org. And we're all in Rome. Gentlemen, thank you 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: for being here. I'm ringing an arroyo. Go subscribe to 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: the Royal Grande podcast on iHeart, Apple, Spotify or YouTube 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: at a Royal Grande show and like this episode. Now 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: the cardinals are already about the business of sizing up 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: these candidates for the next conclave, and we've spoken to 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: quite a few of them over the weekend. Bob, I'm 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: to start with you about the history of this process 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: of selecting a pope. I know in twelve seventy four 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: they instituted this idea of locking the cardinals into the 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Cistine chapel kunkabe with the key, and the reason was, 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: I think the conflict was just going too long. It 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: was over several years, and they felt they couldn't put 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: up with this anymore, so they locked them in and 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: denied them food. Tell me about the current version of this. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: Why have these traditions endured? Why continue to do that 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: when they could meet in the poll the six Senate 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Hall where they've been meeting and pick a pope. 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: There well, besides the beauty and the tradition of the 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Cystine chapel, I think that it's important, and people have 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: realized this more and more, particularly with all the electronic 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: surveillance capabilities that exist, that these people when they go 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: in to vote are really insulated from any pressure. There's 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: plenty of pressure from the outside right now, all kinds 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: of groups talking to people and trying to get their 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: you know, their channel moving along. But you've got a 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: certain passeantry to this that I think is kind of 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: important to preserve because otherwise this just becomes a democratic 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: process and it's not that it really is reaching back 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: into a long history of two thousand year history of 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: the successors to Peter, And what better place to kind 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: of convey that in the splendor that Michaelangelo painted that 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: gives us not only the moment of creation, but the 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: prophets and so much more in the Sistine Chapel. 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: And Father, I imagine there's a little fear and trembling 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: when you approach that Michelangelo masterpiece of the Last Judgment, 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: and he's got popes and bishops, you know, in the 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: mire of hell there. So I guess it's a reminder 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: as they make their vow to God and cast their vote. 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: Surely that's exactly what's going on. In fact, yes, this 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 3: is a sacred activity that they're engaged in selecting the 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: next Bishop of Rome, the next Vicar of Christ, the 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: next supreme Ponta. So to contemplate the eternal judgment that 53 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: God renders on us, that's the best way to make 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: a good vote, I think, Yeah. 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk for a moment everybody. For 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: those who are new to this, they see these men 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: wearing red, which is a way of signifying their willingness 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: to spill their blood for Christ. Talk a bit about 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: how they're selected, why a cardinal is different from a 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Bishop Bob, I'll let you start there. 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'll defer to a certain extent to our canonists here, 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: of course. But cardinals obviously have a special status. They're 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: bishops like all other bishops in the church. They normally 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: are selected because they are presiding over a large sea. 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: It could be a place like Paris, although Paris doesn't 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: have one because Pope Francis chose not to do that. 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: It could be a place like Milan. Milan does not 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: have one this time because of the previous pope's selections. 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: But as we know from the United States and elsewhere, 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: in place like New York, Chicago, can of Los Angeles 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: has not been chosen this time. Around the other places, 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: they typically you selected bishop from because he has a 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: wide experience, he has a large responsibility already. And these 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: are the men that come together periodically, very often. They've 75 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: been appointed to these deadchastories that they've run, the various 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: offices in the Roman courtia. They get to know one another, 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: they learned about the business of the church. They advise 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: the Holy Father, and it's a good way to have 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: a kind of a collegiality at a very high level, 80 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: but without reducing it to simply kind of a representation 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: by regions or a kind of a democratic process. It's 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: a kind of a spirituality linked with the practicalities of 83 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: a global church. 84 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: In the last few days, some candidates seem to be 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: moving to the fore and I've been getting a lot 86 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: of emails over the weekend and today tell us who 87 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: the candidates are now. I say they seem to be 88 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: on the roster because this process feels more vague than 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: the last two conclaves, mostly because these men don't know 90 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: each other and they are not aligned in their vision 91 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: of the church or perspective on the world. So I 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: want to start. I'm going to break this up into groups. 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: We'll start with the progressive candidates, who were hearing the 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: most about while we're in Rome, then move on to 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: the traditional conservative candidates, and then those who might be 96 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: considered compromised, starting with Cardinal Pietro Paoline Father than Bob. 97 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: The oddsmakers have him at the top of their list. 98 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: He's seventy years old, the second most powerful man in 99 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: the Vatican after Pope Francis. He was a lifelong diplomat. 100 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: He worked in Nigeria in Mexico. Father, his great protege 101 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: was Cardinal silver Screening, who was part of that Saint 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: Gallon group that we have to say it engineered Pope 103 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Francis's election. Why might cardinals choose him and why not? 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: Cardinal Paroline would represent continuity to a large extent with 105 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: the vision and actions of Pot Francis. He worked with 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: Pop Francis for twelve years. As the Secretary of State. 107 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: He was implementing most of Post Francis's important decisions in 108 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: the international field, such as the China Deal, such as 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: is concerned for ecology and immigration. Cardinal Paroline is well 110 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: known because most of the cardinals, all of them would 111 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: have met him when they came to Rome in order 112 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: to receive their red hat. So other cardinals don't know 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: each other. Often cases because there were no very few 114 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: general meetings of the cardinals under Pot Francis, they all 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: know who Cardinal Paroline is, so yeah, he would represent continuity. 116 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: His style is less abrasive than Pot Francis. P Francis 117 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 3: did have an abrasive style with people that he disagreed with, 118 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: and a few people found out to their regret that 119 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: if you cross Po France has disagreed, you might not 120 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: continue to be living where you are, such as archibaship 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: Genschfeind was told to leave Rome and Cardinal Berg was 122 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: told to leave his residence. So I would expect Paroline 123 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: to get a lot of votes on the first day. 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Really, okay, Bob, tell me about that China deal with 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: father reference. That obviously a major dark mark on Pope 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: Francis's pontificate. But Cardinal Parlene was at the center of that. 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: He was the man moving it. Really, he was moving 128 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: it from the early you know, the earliest moments of 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: this pontificate and the Vatican finances with which he bears 130 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: some culpability. Talk to me about that. A story just 131 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: emerged that his signature showed up on that London real 132 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: estate deal that went belly up. 133 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, these are two things that I think are probably 134 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: already limiting the number of people who are willing to 135 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: support him, because we know from people like our friend 136 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: Cardinal Zen, who has been a very courageous, clear voice 137 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: for the Catholics and others just human rights defense in 138 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: that awful communist Chinese regime. We know that he's made 139 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: that this agreement has basically abandoned Chinese Catholics just during 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: this interregnum. We have seen that these Chinese have appointed 141 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: two bishops. They are in theory, we don't know what 142 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: the accord was, but in theory they're supposed to propose 143 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: some candidates and Rome is either supposed to say yes 144 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: or no. There's no one in Rome right now to 145 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: approve or disapprove. And they just appointed to bishops knowing 146 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: full well that there's no partner that they're in conversation with. 147 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: So I think anybody who's paying attention knows that cardinal 148 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: powerline has just blown it with the Chinese. The Church 149 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: is under the thumb of a totalitarian regime and there 150 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be any way to roll this back. 151 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: Now. 152 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: Similarly, the thing that you just mentioned on Sloan Street 153 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: in London, yes, where the church lost probably just short 154 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: of two hundred million euros, maybe even more of We 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: don't really know how that shaked out in the end, 156 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: and he was closely responsible for that. Now, you know, 157 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: you try to track these money matters down in the Vatican, 158 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: Eeticuet's extremely complicated. People are pointing fingers at one another. 159 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 2: The Pope signed off on this, He signed off. But 160 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: however you want want to ultimately decide about this. Cardinal 161 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: Paroline is responsible for losing more money than probably the 162 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: entire Vatican has as its budget for a given year. 163 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 2: So that too, at a time when we know that 164 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: there's a tremendous deficit for the Vatican employees in their 165 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: retirement funds. The yearly operations of the Vatican are very 166 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: in very poor shape. They're selling off assets to kind 167 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: of meet their expenses here after year. These are two 168 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: tough things, and I think people who are looking for 169 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: a kind of reformer who is going to take a 170 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: slightly different direction are going to have some doubts about 171 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Caperaline father. 172 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Before we leave this topic, there was a health scare 173 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: Cardinal Parolini, it was reported, had a panic attack. They 174 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: brought medical personnel in that attended to them for an hour. 175 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: The Vatican then came out and denied that story. But 176 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: I've spoken to a couple of cardinals who claimed they 177 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: were there and saw it. How would that impact his candidacy. 178 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: Do you think, yes, Well, you know a healthscare are 179 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: based on some incident involving fluctuating blood pressure, Well, that 180 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: could indicate that the cardinal has a problem that needs 181 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: to be attended to there certainly wouldn't give confidence that 182 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 3: you know he's going to be a candidate who will 183 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: not encounter some medical difficulties. Hard to read without further knowledge, 184 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean the fact that Vatican denies that 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 3: other people say it happened, their eye, witnesses, etc. A 186 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: little bit of intrigue that I'm sure Cardinal Parallein would prefer. 187 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Not to have. Yeah, let's talk about Cardinal Lewis Antonio Togley, 188 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: sixty seven years old, the kind of a brilliant Asian 189 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: cardinal from the Philippines, warm experior known as the Asian Francis. 190 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: He was close to that Bolognia school and continues to 191 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: be a proponent starting with Bob, what is that, Bob? 192 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: And what do you make of Togley as a candidate. 193 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: Well, in a nutshell, the Bolognia School put this a 194 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: little bit simply, is a proponent of what is called 195 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: a hermoneutic of rupture, in other words, standing a Vatican 196 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: two that claims that Vatican who broke with the previous Church. 197 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: Now contrary to that, of course, we had Pope Benedict 198 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 2: who talked about a hermeneutict of continuity. Because in Catholicism. 199 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: There really can't be a radical contradiction between one period 200 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: of the Church and another. I mean, we are always 201 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: throughout history we're in the same church as Jesus Christ established. 202 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: But todd May was very close to that so called 203 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: school of Bologna. I mean for something like fifteen years 204 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: he was involved with their conferences and whatnot, and they've 205 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: been a very powerful voice here in Italy for promoting 206 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: that idea of rupture. And ow there's changed. There's always 207 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: change when you have a conference or a Senate or whatever, 208 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: but rupture is something quite different, and for him to 209 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: have been that deeply into it, for me, it raises 210 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: some profound and even kind of fundamental questions about. 211 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Who he is. 212 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: The other thing about him is I don't think of 213 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: him as a mature and stable candidate, if I can 214 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: put that way. You you know, he's outgoing and he said, 215 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: but I think we want to publish a little bit 216 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: of gravitas this time around. 217 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: Father Toddley was brought to Rome by Pope Francis after 218 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: Dentity made march Bishop of Manila in twenty nineteen. He 219 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: was prefected the Congregation for the Evangelization of peoples. Then 220 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: they restructured it. He became pro prefect. He was also 221 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: president of Caratas International, which is a huge international charity. 222 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: The Pope fired him and the entire leadership team in 223 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Will that affect his chances here? 224 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: Well, it'll certainly cause questions among people, as he a 225 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: competent manager. 226 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: What was the reason the Pope fired him? 227 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: We never got a full explanation on it, but yeah, 228 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 3: I mean, as with any management position, if your immediate 229 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 3: superior loses confidence in you, you're either a victim or 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: somebody who failed, and I would say he could be 231 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: a combination of both. 232 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: He also has a spotty sex abuse record according to 233 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: some of the reportage, and by that there was I 234 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: mean there was a convicted pedophile whom he allowed to 235 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: stay on the job at Caratas, which could be an 236 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: explanation for why he and the leadership team were cleaned out. 237 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: But I want to move on. Cardinal anders Aarborelis of 238 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Sweden seventy five year old. He was Pope Francis's pick. 239 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: This is interesting. He was Poke Francis's pick as his 240 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: own successor. He entered the Carmelite monastery was elevated by 241 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: John Paul the second. He said, I didn't really understand 242 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: that I had to decide things. I was not used 243 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: to it. I had never held an eleiting position in 244 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: a monastery either, and rather withdrawn by nature Father. He 245 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: has a great devotion to the Euchrist, the Virgin Mary. 246 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,239 Speaker 1: He's opposed to the German Sonata way your thoughts. 247 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: On his candidacy now, I think he's an excellent candidate. 248 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: He is a convert to the faith. He's the first 249 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: native Swiss, native Swedish bishop since the Reformation, and he's 250 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: done outstanding job. In my opinion, the Nordic bishop Ship's 251 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: conference is one of the best in the world. They 252 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: have some excellent bishops in the Scandinavian countries. The man 253 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: is very educated, a linguist, so I think he would 254 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: be a very good candidate for the papacy and someone 255 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: that will get a serious consideration during the voting. 256 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Bob Wire. Progressives advancing that candidacy do you. 257 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: Think, well, there are certain issues in which he follows 258 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: along with Francis. I think he's a strong proponent of 259 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: further immigration. I don't see why because Sweden is actually 260 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: very disturbed because of kind of unregulated Muslim immigration. It 261 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: seems that some of the immigration has added to the 262 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: numbers of Catholics up in Sweden. So maybe there's a 263 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: kind of a nuance that he has about what that is. 264 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: Father mentioned that he's a linguist. I looked into that 265 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: because I studied multiple languages when I was younger, and 266 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure he speaks Italian. This would be quite interesting. 267 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: If he doesn't, how is he going to conduct his 268 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: papacy in English? Or he may be a qui study 269 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: and maybe he'll learn Italian. And also I think this 270 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: would be an interesting twist. He started life as a Lutheran, 271 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: so we would probably be getting a Lutheran Protestant in 272 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: the back door to come in as a pope. But 273 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: he seems to be a very fine man, a very serious, thoughtful, 274 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: spiritual man. I also hope that he's a good administrator, 275 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: because the next pound is going to have to be one. 276 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: We're hearing a lot of chatter also about Cardinal Jean 277 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: Marc Aveline. He's sixty six years old, Archbishop of Marseille, 278 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: doctor in theology, an intimate friend of Pope Francis. Every 279 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: time he was here they'd enjoy time together and spend 280 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: time together. He claims that all the reporters claims that 281 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: he reflects Francis's love for immigrants' inter religious dialogue without 282 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: an emphasis on conversion. 283 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: Father, your reaction to this candidacy, Yeah, he shares many 284 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: traits that Pope Francis brought forth during his twelve years 285 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: of the pontificate. He is a French cardinal and an 286 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: important basis in Marseille. 287 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: But you know, it's. 288 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: Something the cardinals will think about him. I'll say that 289 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: much if they want a continuity, in other words, continue 290 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: France's it's different emphasis, you know, economic, political, social, and doctrinal. 291 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: I think Abilene would fit the bill, Bob. He's a 292 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: big advocate for decentralizing the church and the Sonatyl model, 293 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: which you is a big advocate of. Is that what 294 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: these electors are looking for? Is that what you're hearing here? 295 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think that he raises a question, 296 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: because we've talked about this before in other context, that 297 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: do you put your emphasis mostly on going along to 298 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: get along with people around you, or are you a 299 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: more forceful evangelizer? And he was born in Algeria when 300 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Algeria was still a department of France, so it was 301 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: technically part of France, and so he's a little bit 302 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: sympathetic for the North Africans who were moving into into Europe. 303 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: And of course Marseille is a very mixed city, and 304 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: you have to be able to manage the situations that 305 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: you're in. But here comes the question do we really 306 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: want to have well, Europeans really want to see more 307 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: Muslim immigration. The Muslims who already exist in most of 308 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: the large European countries are going to have to be 309 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: managed in some fashion. They can't be quite integrated. They 310 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: seem to be resistance to integration. Is the church that 311 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: he would lead going to be one that consistently emphasizes 312 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: listening and welcoming rather than evangelizing. It seems to me 313 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: that that's a question not only about him, but it's 314 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: going to be for others that you. Of course, you 315 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: want to have peace in the world, to try to 316 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: reduce conflict, but the church is in business to evangelize. 317 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: Christ told us to go out and preach the Gospel 318 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: to all nations. 319 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to move to the more traditional candidates. First, 320 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: Cardinal Peter Erdo seventy two year old Archbishop of Budapest 321 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: in Hungary. Degrees in theology, in canon law. In fact, 322 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: he was a professor to our confrere Father Murray. He's 323 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: regarded as a holy man, devoted to the liturgy. But 324 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: you even hear it this week in discussions, a timid man, 325 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: even a shy man. What do we know of father 326 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: Murdy A very accurate description. 327 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: Brilliant scholar, a long time of archbishop of Budapest. He 328 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: has force of conviction. He's definitely someone who knows the 329 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: difference between right and wrong. 330 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: He's able to. 331 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: Analyze the Sonadel way, for instance. He's able to analyze 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: Morris Letitzi and the whole question of what do we 333 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 3: do regarding community for divorce and remarried. He is soft spoken, 334 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: but he also speaks I think five languages, so he 335 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: speaks Italian. 336 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: He would have perfect. 337 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: Ease at that. 338 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he represents, in my opinion, someone who's eminently qualified 339 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: to continue the heritage of John Paul the second in 340 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: Pope Benedict and then to modify those elements of pop friends. 341 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: Is this pontificate which, in my opinion, the opinion I 342 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: think of many cardinals need to be revised because they were, 343 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: you know, in conflict with what was taught previously. 344 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: Bob, Cardinal George pell a friend of Ollers here of 345 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: happy memory. He thought Erdo would be the perfect successor 346 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: to Pope Francis, because I remember him saying he could 347 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: restore the rule of law to the Holy see your thoughts. 348 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when I hear this talk about him 349 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: being timid, I was actually in the room. I think 350 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: Father Murray was as well. In the first Senate on 351 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: the Family, there was an interim report that came out 352 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: and in the Sala Stampa it was noted in the 353 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: summary that there was a paragraph asking people to value 354 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: what was good in homosexual relationships. And you know, people 355 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: were utterly stunned that this was coming in a Vatican document. 356 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: It was the first time that it had happened. And 357 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: Erdo was the chairman of that session when they were 358 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: presenting the intermediate report, and he pointed to Archbishop Bruno 359 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: Forte and he said to yes, people wanted to know, 360 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: how is this there, what does this mean? And he 361 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: pointed out him and he said, look, you wrote that paragraft. 362 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: Why don't you explain it to the people. So he 363 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: may be quiet, he may be soft spoken, but he's 364 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: also willing to put somebody on the spot when there's 365 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 2: a reason to do that, for a reason of doctrinal clarity. 366 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: I think also because he's a European, and a European 367 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: not from one of the major European countries but a 368 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: little bit outside I like Hungary and Slovakian Portugal, some 369 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: of these sort of marginal European I think he brings 370 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: a more steadying European influence to a Europe that is 371 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: in a lot of turmoil in France, in Italy and England. Germany, 372 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: of course, and it would be very interesting to see 373 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: what kind of influence he would have. 374 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: I want to now talk about Cardinal Robert Sarah, someone 375 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: who we've encountered in different ways. The seventy nine year 376 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: old former head of the Discipline of the Sacraments, clashed 377 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: with Pope Francis on the direction of the liturgy and 378 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: other matters. An orthodox Man son of converse from Animism 379 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: in Guinea, and he resisted a Marxist dictatorship as a 380 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: thirty four year old bishop, earning him the title Baby Bishop. 381 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: Tell me about his Orthodoxy father particularly his love of 382 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: sacred worship as the head of the Vatican Liturgy Office 383 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: until Pope Francis removed him. 384 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: Yes, Cardinal Sayah is a remarkable man. He's written a 385 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: number of books, question and answer books in which he 386 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: reveals his life history, his convictions. His analysis of the 387 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: situation of church now has been very forceful. He wrote 388 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: a book called God or Nothing, and he said that's 389 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: the question all mankind faces today. Do we follow God 390 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: or do we opt for the nothingness, which is what 391 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: humanity without God is. He's seventy nine years old to 392 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: turn eighty in the month of June. He's still in 393 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: good health. He's a vigorous man of prayer, very serious 394 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: about spiritual life as being the center of his life. 395 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 3: So this is one of my favorite cardinals, let alone 396 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: human beings on the planet. So I hope and pray 397 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 3: that he will get consideration. Bob. 398 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: He's a very fearless and faithful man. I mean, he 399 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: spoke out against the suppression of the Latin Liturgy, the 400 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: dangers of the Sonatal way and the synod on Cinnadale. 401 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: And tell me about the book he released with Pope 402 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Benedict quickly on celibacy that caused an enormous stir and 403 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: will that hurt his chances, do you think or lift them? Yeah? 404 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: I think that although that book was kind of a 405 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: scandal at the time, and because of the relationships of 406 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: Benedict with a Pope Francis, it might be overly it 407 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: might be overinterpreted now for us to think look back 408 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: and think that that might harm him. Look, he's a 409 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: terrific man. There's no question that if we want a 410 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: pope that's going to radiate holiness and radiate what what 411 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ is in his church, there could be no 412 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: better candidate than him. Now, as a somewhat historian of 413 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: the church, I have to point out that Celestian the Fifth, 414 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: who was very saintly in his way, to think it 415 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: was the previous pope who resigned, previous to Ratzinger to 416 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: better the sixteen, was a monk and came in because 417 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: there was a two year hiatus in the papacy and 418 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: the electors were told, you know, you got to make 419 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: a decision. They brought him in and he was a disaster. 420 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: So we know that a saintly man may not be 421 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: the best leader of the church. But if it's clear 422 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: that he comes in as the leader, but gets around 423 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: him a team of administrators and people who are familiar 424 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: with the way that the internal machinations of the church 425 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: play out. I think he could be a formidable pope, 426 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: and it's not the case that the pub has to 427 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: run everything. He could he if he's wise, and he 428 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: certainly is, he will find people who will help him. 429 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: Father Jerry, are you hearing him talked about in town? 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: People they love him, they think he was a great 431 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: is a great man and a great witness to the faith. 432 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: But I haven't heard him talked about as a candidate. No. 433 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: And he's an internet phenomenon because he's so well known. 434 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: But he is seventy nine years old, and. 435 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's taken into consideration. 436 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to Cardinal William Ike. He's 437 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: the Archbishop of Utrech in the Netherlands, seventy one year 438 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: old medical doctor with a moral theology and philosophy degree 439 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: from the Angelicum here in Rome. Bob, He's fought the 440 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: secularism in the Netherlands. He's regarded as fiercely pro life. 441 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Orthodox talk about his defensive marriage and the opposition to 442 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: same sex blessings whoever wants to take that. 443 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you put your finger on the 444 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: important thing about him. I mean, he's a man who 445 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: is a doctor before he had got his religious vocation, 446 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: and he's not going to be hood by a lot 447 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: of things that are said in public that seem to 448 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: be progressive but in fact are very anti live, anti human, 449 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: even the way that I would put it. And to 450 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: come out of the country that he does in attracting 451 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: and to be a strong advocate for marriage and the family. 452 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: I think this is something that Europe really really needs 453 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: to hear, because it's not only that Europe has this 454 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: immigration problem the way we do to a certain extent 455 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: in North America. It also is falling off the demographic 456 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: cliff and if there aren't children born in Europe, Europe 457 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: will simply it'll disappear, It'll float away. So he's a 458 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: guy that will come at us with both the credibility 459 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: of knowing some science, probably knowing some social science, but 460 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: also having a very very moral and theological formation. 461 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: Father. There was a quote I read of his and 462 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: he said, the first secret about Hell. It made me 463 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: think of you. He is the first secret about Hell. Well, 464 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: I think it's really a secret that remains highly relevant 465 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: for our time. That's our duty to make sure that 466 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: we are in charge of announcing the Catholic faith that 467 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: people don't end up in hell, and to warn them 468 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: about it. And he goes on and on. He also 469 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: did a total financial overhaul in his troubled diocese when 470 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: he came in. Does that help his candidacy? Father? Though 471 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: he did have to close two thirds of the churches there, 472 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean there was low attendance and no priests. 473 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: Well, well help his candidacy if people know about it. 474 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: And this is one of the big issues. You know, 475 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: how each cardinal has run their own diocese is largely unknown, 476 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: I think to many of the cardinals because they don't meet, 477 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: they don't talk. And then you have newcomers from small 478 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: dioceses in far away places that you know, probably never 479 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: heard of the diocese of Uhtrek to the extent of 480 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: knowing what's going on there. They know it's a city 481 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: and an important historical place. But this is part of 482 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: what's going on right now. All these meetings get to know, 483 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 3: and then you have to trust cardinals who do know. 484 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like you know, the new students 485 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: come into the university and the professor takes mo under 486 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: the and says, okay, you know this is what you 487 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: need to know to be a successful student. 488 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: Here. Yeah, I want to move on to a Cardinal, 489 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: Malcolm Ranjith of Sri Lanka. I've been hearing his name 490 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: whispered here and there. He's a seventy seven year old 491 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: studied in Rome and Jerusalem. Served as Secretary of the 492 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples under John Paul the 493 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: second that he was a papal nuncio, a diplomat. He 494 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: was secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship. I was 495 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of impressed by the breadth of his experience. It's 496 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of remarkable, you know, because then he went back, 497 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, he goes back to his neighbor, Sri Lanka. 498 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: He also speaks ten languages. Father, could Ranja be a 499 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: surprise candidate, He certainly could. 500 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: He's a very qualified manners you've just laid out, and 501 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: he's served both in the Roman Curia and as a 502 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: diocesan bishop. He's had experience dealing with the government there. 503 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: As you may remember, it was a terrorist attack at 504 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: Easter time about six years ago killed people at different 505 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: places and churches. So yeah, I know my friends of 506 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: mine are very impressed with him. I've never had the 507 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 3: pleasure of meeting him, but I certainly from what I know, 508 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: he's a good man and he. 509 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: Would make a good pope. 510 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Bob. He has said the Eucharist makes the church. He 511 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: brought back altar rails. Just last year, he forbid altar 512 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: girls in his par in the parishes of his diocese. 513 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: He is all in on the reform of the reform. 514 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: Does that endear him to this college or alienate him? 515 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think we'll see in the voting Raymond, where 516 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, we're all kind of trying to predict the 517 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: future here. One of the things that struck me about him, 518 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: and I've been hearing this from different people, is that 519 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: we've been saying that Paroline is the one who has 520 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: most been in contact with the various cardinals around the world, 521 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: And of course that's true. But if there is a 522 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: second figure who's had a lot of contact for the 523 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: reasons that father just mentioned that he's he's occupied so 524 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: many different offices, he's on so many different things. He 525 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: speaks ten different languages, including Hebrew, which I think is 526 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: an amazing thing. And then of course several a couple 527 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: at least a couple of East Asian languages as well. 528 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: If you're looking for a global pope, for somebody who 529 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: can really reach out to the peripheries, I think he 530 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: fits the bill much better even than Parolin. He embodies 531 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: it and at the same time he seems to embody 532 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: a deep Orthodoxy in his understanding of the faith. 533 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Cardinal Pierre Battiste Pizza Bala, 534 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem. He's just sixty years old, 535 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: which could hurt his candidacy. Twelve years he was the 536 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: custus of the Holy Land, that's the Franciscans who sort 537 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: of have custody of all of those shrines, the holy sites. 538 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: He offered his life recently for the Israeli hostages taken 539 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: prisoner by Hamas. How he has very close relations, which 540 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: is a tough order, with both the Israelis and the Palestinians. 541 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: Born in northern Italy, however, and he's a Bib scholar. 542 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: He's got he's very fastidious. I know this personally about 543 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: Catechists actually practicing and believing the faith that they're passing 544 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: on to the young people in his diocese. What are 545 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: his chances, especially as an Italian cardinal and offering his 546 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: life for those hostages. 547 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: Father, I think he's an excellent chance of being elected. 548 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: I think he's an attractive candidate for the reasons that 549 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: you said. 550 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: The fact is that we would. 551 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: His first name is Pierre, which is abbreviation of Pietro 552 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: So Peter, Peter, Baptista John the Baptist Peter Peter from 553 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: Jerusalem becoming the successor Peter in Rome. It has a 554 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: good ring to it, and no, I think he's got it. 555 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: He carries himself with the dignity and the uh, you 556 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: know self assertiveness that's required to be a Catholic bishop 557 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: in a very troubled region. So I think he would 558 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: be a good match for the challenges that the Roman 559 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: Curia faces. I mean the running out of money. They've 560 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: had no kind of a reorganization, which has really caused 561 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: some disorganizations, so there are a lot of things needing 562 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: to be done. I think he'd be a man at 563 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: age sixty with the energy and the knowledge to do it. 564 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Now I hear his name being whispered about by different 565 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: groups of people, not only you know, traditional cardinals, but 566 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: those who are new to this game and just arrived. Bob, 567 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I see Pitzebola as a compromise candidate. I mean, he's 568 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: dealt with eighteen different religious congregations in the Holy Land 569 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: who are very vocal. But the most interesting thing that 570 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't think gets enough attention. And I know that 571 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: he and I served on a board for twenty five 572 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: years together, so I've known him a long time. He 573 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: brought financial solvency to a university in the Holy Land 574 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: that had been bleeding money, and he's been in the 575 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Holy Land for thirty five years. I'm also told the 576 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: Gaza experience changed him a great deal, deepened his faith. 577 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: But he's very rooted in the Gospel and a man 578 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: of prayer. Your thoughts. 579 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: You know, I just wrote a book about the twenty 580 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: first century martyrs, and I have a couple of stories 581 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: about him in that book. One of the things that 582 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: he said when he first got to the Holy Land, 583 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: and I think when he took over as custos for 584 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: the Franciscans, he was told by the Israelis that people 585 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: would spit on him if he wore a cassock, as 586 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: he walked around Jerusalem and instead of saying, oh, okay, 587 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: I won't wear a Kazakh, he said, no, you know, 588 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: we're not going to accept that. And when sort of 589 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: extreme Zionists have actually attacked Catholic monasteries and whatnot in 590 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: the Holy Land, he's been forceful in protecting our people 591 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: as much as he's been an advocate for the Palestinians 592 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: in Gaza. So look, he's a it would be a 593 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: surprise candidacy for an Italian coming from Jerusalem to kind 594 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: of catch fire. But at this moment, when we don't 595 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: really have I think we can't say that, especially if 596 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: things go beyond the first day or two in the voting, 597 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: I think that all bets are off, and he's come 598 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: off so beautifully in that situation in the Middle East, 599 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: in in Israel and Palestine. I think everyone globally looks 600 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: at him as a man of courage who offered his 601 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: own body to for those children who were being held 602 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: by Hamas. You don't often hear of a thing like 603 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: that happening, and I think that's made him a global figure. 604 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: He also has a reverence for Pope Urban who established 605 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: the Feast of Corpus CHRISTI and Father Jerry and I 606 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: were with Father Roger Landry, and he reminded us the 607 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: last patriarch of Jerusalem who was made pope in twelve 608 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: sixty one, was Pope Urban fourth. So it's very interesting 609 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: that there's that connection. So we'll see. He also he 610 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: offers the Mass in Hebrew, and I'm told by some 611 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: of the friars there are Jewish rabbis who come and 612 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: sit in the back and listen to him because his 613 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: Hebrew is so great. So we'll see if that has 614 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: any linkage. He believes Jerusalem is the center of the church. 615 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: It would be interesting if he sat at the center 616 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: of the church in Rome as well. What about an 617 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: American As we wrap up, we keep hearing rumblings of Dolan. 618 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: Robert Prevos, who's a sixty nine year old Chicago native, 619 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: served as an Augustinian in Peru and then Chicago and 620 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: back again. In twenty twenty two, there was a case 621 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: of two priest molesting girls there in Peru. Critics say 622 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: he failed to properly investigate those cases and the diocese 623 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: paid the girls off. Follow your thoughts on his candidacy, 624 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: Robert Prevost. 625 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's now the prefect of the Dicastery for naming bishops, 626 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 3: so he hasn't given important role by Pope Francis. Obviously, 627 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: Poe Francis had a lot of confidence in him. I 628 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: think he would represent a continuity candidate with Pope Francis, 629 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: So it's possible. But even though I love my own 630 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: country in the United States, citizen and American one hundred percent, 631 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 3: I'm doubtful that in our day and age, an American. 632 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: Who good elected pope. 633 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: You know, I just don't think people are ready for 634 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 3: the US to be the top of the list on 635 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 3: the church. 636 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Bob. He also appointed a lot of that dicaster of 637 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: bishops he was in charge of, appointed a lot of 638 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: progressive bishops and promoted them over the last few years. 639 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: Does that hurt him, Well, it will hurt him a 640 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: lot with people who didn't like that sort of thing, 641 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: of course. But the wild card in this is that 642 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: in the position that he was as the head of 643 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: that dischastri for naming bishops, he has a lot of 644 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: contact with people who are naming future leaders in the church. 645 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: So how that will play out, I don't know. But 646 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: he doesn't seem to me to be a strong candidate 647 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: and that scandal that you talked about. It's about the 648 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: only thing that I think people generally have heard about him, 649 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: and for me, I think that that will probably sink him. 650 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: Father Jerry, the most surprising thing you've heard today, and 651 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: then I'll go to Bob. 652 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 3: Well, I guess you know, I've heard more good things 653 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 3: about Cardinal Pittsavalla that I didn't know, and that's really 654 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 3: inspiring because I kind of think he might walk out 655 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 3: on that load as our new pope. 656 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: Bob, the most surprising thing you've heard over the last 657 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: few day. 658 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we've talked a lot about how the 659 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: cardinals don't know one another, but the more and more 660 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: we dig into these people, they're remarkable. Many of them 661 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: have had amazing achievements. It's a church spread all over 662 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: the world. And maybe it isn't quite the cardinal the 663 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: college of Cardinals that we've had in the past, but 664 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 2: I'm impressed by these guys. And so there are a 665 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: number of different people, some obviously I prefer over others, 666 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: but there we could get a very very interesting new 667 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 2: pope out of this group. 668 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: Now, let us pray that does it. 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