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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about today's episode. My buddy Slick Johnson

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Speaker 1: is going to be joining me. He's been known on

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Speaker 1: social media is the guy who really puts out everything

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Speaker 1: that's happening in fishing, the good, the bad, the ugly,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about tournament and professional fishing. On top

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Speaker 1: of that, we talk about a lot of the regulations

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Speaker 1: that have been proposed in the state of Alabama because

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Speaker 1: that's where Slick lives. He fishes these lakes all the time.

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Speaker 1: So what we plan on getting into is the good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly of professional tournament fishing. We want

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of the regulations that have been

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Speaker 1: put out there and also live scope along with up

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Speaker 1: and coming anglers. What really makes high school fishing and

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Speaker 1: college fishermen different than what we all knew. So Sleck, first,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Coosa River and the

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Speaker 1: proposed slot limit. Do you think anything's actually going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I think that we'll end up going to a minilmo

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Speaker 2: probably fifteen inches, maybe even sixteen inches. But what's crazy

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Speaker 2: is that, like I just left Mobile and I was

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Speaker 2: at something similar for the saltwater people, they do something

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Speaker 2: very similar. The state the Marine Resources people come in

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Speaker 2: and they talk like it's a recommendation, but we want

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Speaker 2: to hear from you guys. We want to get uston. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so the first guy that spoke, he gives they're

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Speaker 2: talking about flounder, redfish, sharks, commercial netting, triple tail, you

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Speaker 2: name it. They're talking about all these fish and they're saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to make these we're making these

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Speaker 2: recommendations of what we should do. And they got all

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Speaker 2: these charts, but it's kind of like the one for

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Speaker 2: the Coaser River. The data was incomplete. They took a

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Speaker 2: very small sample and that and so how do you

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Speaker 2: get the data? And that's my issue with the whole

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Speaker 2: Coast of River thing was you came and you I

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Speaker 2: believe in science, but you came and took such a

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Speaker 2: small sample from the worst lake of six and then

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Speaker 2: we want to say this is what you need. And

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Speaker 2: so listen, I get it with us, some of us

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Speaker 2: old rednecks throw a bunch of fish in there, and

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Speaker 2: I don't fix it. I get it. I get it

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Speaker 2: because I used to be that guy. I used to

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Speaker 2: be that guy that said, why don't we just put

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand f ones. But then when you know,

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Speaker 2: these bologists have taught us that, hey, you gotta have

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Speaker 2: the habitat. And here's the other thing. If they go

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Speaker 2: throw one hundred f ones in there, we're just going

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Speaker 2: to deplanish that racesource as fast as we call.

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Speaker 1: That's why my main conversation that I think I always

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Speaker 1: target on is the conservation side. Like conservation, when people

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Speaker 1: hear that, they think, well, we need to save the animals.

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Speaker 1: It's not saving the animals that you can't properly go

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Speaker 1: You have to get give animals an opportunity to thrive

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Speaker 1: in the area that they're in. And it's no different

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Speaker 1: than I've heard people say, well what about they start

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Speaker 1: putting antler restrictions out there, And antler restrictions are actually

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Speaker 1: kind of good when it comes to deer hunting if

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Speaker 1: you want to go after bigger deer, but if you

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Speaker 1: want to have better deer, bigger deer populations, and maybe

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Speaker 1: not even the populations, but you just want to have

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Speaker 1: a healthier deer, you have to supply them with stuff

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Speaker 1: that makes them healthier, and food. Habitat is everything. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Genetics plays a part. That's the same thing with fish, food, habitat,

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Speaker 1: and genetics, that all plays a part, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And I've read the things that this same biologists rode

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Speaker 2: about Texas saying it's a marketing ploy But then okay,

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Speaker 2: Texas has a better habitat for the fish. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's anywhere in Texas that can compare to light

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Speaker 1: Now as far as like the size, the bags, the fish.

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Speaker 2: Quality, and what we're learning because of Liavscope has taught us.

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Speaker 2: And I was on the phone with Jordan right before

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Speaker 2: I came in here. Jordan Lee and we were talking

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Speaker 2: and we were like, do you think the fish have

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Speaker 2: always been here? We we didn't know. And so when

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Speaker 2: you go out there right now and people see these

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Speaker 2: weights and it looks incredible, and it is okay, But

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Speaker 2: for these guys that are catching thirty four pounds, look,

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Speaker 2: I've caught twenty eight to thirty pounds every day I've

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Speaker 2: the last two weeks. But Hayden Marvin and Tucker Smith

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Speaker 1: And of course everybody is just going to go with

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Speaker 1: the easy thing. Oh they're just scoping. But they're doing

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Speaker 2: It's different, and let me tell you something, you've got

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Speaker 2: have realized is that there are so many six to

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Speaker 2: eight pounders in that lake. It's incredible. I had no idea. Now,

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Speaker 2: on the conservation side of it, are we what are

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Speaker 2: we doing to the resource by catching these Fish's never

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Speaker 2: been caught before this time of year. This is the

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Speaker 2: time that they went and fed up, and they weren't disturbed,

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Speaker 2: They had no stress. When you look at the tails

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Speaker 2: on these fish and they're holding them up, they're blood red.

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Speaker 2: They look like they've been on bed. And I had

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Speaker 2: a biologist tell me. He said, they're stressed out because

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Speaker 2: they're putting them in the live well. And everybody thinks

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Speaker 2: that When I go out talking about catchway release, they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's because of fishing Chaos and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, I don't get paid a penny

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Speaker 2: by fishing chaos. I hooked up with Fishing Chaos four

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Speaker 2: years ago because they did have the technology to do

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Speaker 2: Catchway Release. You know, I listened to your podcast with

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Speaker 2: K and I heard K say, you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things was about cost. We can't do it because

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Speaker 2: of the cost. Her next sentence was, we spent over

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars. So ating your lias, this is

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Speaker 2: about us, This is about us changing the way we

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Speaker 2: think reprogramming. Yes, and look, weigh ins are about ego,

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Speaker 2: and it always has been. It's for all of us.

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Speaker 1: But there's no doubt because I agree with you on

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Speaker 1: walking up and having two big fish like you want

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Speaker 1: to show them off. There is no doubt. And I

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Speaker 1: bet Jordan would say the same thing. You go to

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Speaker 1: a bass Master Classic. The excitement that you see in

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Speaker 1: a bass Master Classic when somebody holds up giant fish.

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Speaker 1: You sit there and you go, dude, that's that's huge.

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Speaker 1: You go to Red Crest, you already know who the

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Speaker 2: That was one of Jordan's reasons for coming back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that, but that does mean something in

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Speaker 1: the world to make a sport interesting and entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But at the same time, you know, is it

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Speaker 2: really the fish holding up that we're all excited about

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Speaker 2: because I love watching that truck come driving into the

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Speaker 2: Classic and that guy getting out, and yes, we want

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Speaker 2: to see him hold up fish, But why can't we

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Speaker 2: bring one? Why can't we bring two? And you know,

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Speaker 2: one of Jordan's things was we talked about it one day,

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Speaker 2: you know, in depth. Why are you wanting to go

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Speaker 2: back so bad? Because on it? I mean, honestly, he

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Speaker 2: made more money at thean my left. Why are you

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Speaker 2: wanting to come back? And well, I miss the fans,

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Speaker 2: and whatnot. But let's just be realistic about it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that way in costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to

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Speaker 2: have when you're there for four days. Sure we could

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Speaker 2: be putting that money back into pay it. And the

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Speaker 2: whole fishing tournament thing is is screwed up anyway, because

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Speaker 2: the way we've always had it is you put money in,

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Speaker 2: you go catch five, and you come show them off

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Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, you're gonna be fishing for

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Speaker 2: nine hours. And that's not exciting for people to watch

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Speaker 1: But that same argument is made when it comes to

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Speaker 1: like a golf tournament a golf tournament. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to watch somebody play eighteen whole golf. You have to

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Speaker 1: action when it's happening. In most golf tournaments, they only

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Speaker 1: come down to the last couple holes. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: do you just show the last three holes of a

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: They obviously put it out there because they want advertisers

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Speaker 1: to see there's eyes on this, this is how we

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Speaker 1: can make money. That's the same thing with the bass

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Speaker 1: tournaments when they have the four day Classic, they have

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Speaker 1: front of people. So if we did away with that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you would potentially the organizations would lose some

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Speaker 1: advertising dollars, might not lose the advertiser, but they might

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Speaker 2: Who do you think makes more moneytising from advertising?

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Speaker 1: I would probably say MLF and the And the big

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Speaker 1: reason is they have a lot of different fingers to

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Speaker 1: what they do. You know, they do the team tournament,

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna see the Bass Pro Tour, you've gotta

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Speaker 2: go to your phone. You've gotta go online. Therefore, you

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Speaker 2: gotta see their sponsors. And you know, I was really

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Speaker 2: things that was going on within the organization. I'm the

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Speaker 2: biggest MLF fan and always have been. I think that

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Speaker 2: boy duck It and Gary Klein did the greatest thing

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Speaker 2: conservation goes. When they went to catchwave release. Took a

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Speaker 2: lot of balls to do that, sure, and that's the

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Speaker 2: greatest thing that's ever been done because we did it

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Speaker 2: at the top level. I'm doing one at Gunnersville this

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Speaker 2: next Sunday Catchway release. It's all studs fishing it. Bubba

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Speaker 2: gave us the skills, or they didn't give them to

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Speaker 2: us gto purchased them, but they gave us a really

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Speaker 2: in you know, five six pounders is we're going to

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Speaker 2: go to catchway release. And you know, I heard it

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Speaker 2: the other day in your podcast with Kay where she said,

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Speaker 2: Do we have one now? Because you can't tell me

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Speaker 2: they don't cheat? Now, you know, if people want it.

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Speaker 2: Are not saying people on ABT, but I'm saying people

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Speaker 2: And quite the true thing, and we hate changes past fishermen,

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Speaker 2: but the honest and the facts are And we've got

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Speaker 2: that we do with fishing chaos. If you watch my

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Speaker 2: ones from his way in, he rolls that bag up,

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Speaker 2: he soaks it till the last second, and he takes

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Speaker 2: off running to the scales and gets it up there. Hey,

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Speaker 2: probably gets six or right ounces more in every turn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't want the water to come off.

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Speaker 2: So when you're now, because of technology we have with

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Speaker 2: catchway release, weighing them in the boat is way more

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Speaker 2: accurate they do.

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Speaker 1: You know, what tim over at Hammond's Fishing in the

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Speaker 1: Five years ago, Gold's Gym rolled out a program to

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Speaker 2: We need a okay. Bass stands for Bass Angler Sportsman Society.

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Speaker 2: When it started, we had an organization that was there

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Speaker 2: you'll see it a big hole in it, and they're

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00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: eating in the baitball. The giants are sitting up there

433
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: waiting and what they're waiting for its five or six

434
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: fish shad to get spooked by those little ones, and

435
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: then they go grab those five or six And it

436
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: hit me. I was like, that was just the a

437
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: rig was natural because the bait balls up for protection.

438
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: You have fifty thousand threadfin in one ball, But then

439
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: you see this one that's got six and you throw

440
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: it out on the edge, and all of a sudden

441
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: you get picked up.

442
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Because for you and I, common sense would say, why

443
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: don't they just go through there with their mouth open

444
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: and get a big ring like a whale. Yeah, it's

445
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: not safe. That's not the way nature intended it. And

446
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: so those bigger bass set out away from the bait ball,

447
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: they wait for five or six shed to get spooked

448
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: and they go get them. The big bass are not

449
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 2: in there.

450
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: But that's that's the same argument that a lot of

451
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: guys have with brush piles. You throw in a brush pile,

452
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: you catch one one and a half or another one

453
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: and a half or another one to have her. Guys

454
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: will quit and they'll go that's all that's here. You're

455
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: casting the same exact spot. If you start to pick

456
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: off the edges, maybe go out a couple feet all

457
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're not getting nearly as many bites,

458
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: but two to one and a halfs doesn't match a five.

459
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: Scope shows us now the attitude that I feel like

460
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys have with live scope, and it's

461
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: funny like that argument for a lot of guys, whether

462
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: or not it's good or bad died pretty quickly when

463
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: that slot let Me came out. People were like, oh, well,

464
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: this is where I'm going to focus my anger with

465
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: live scope. If you can read the temperament of what

466
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: a bass is doing. Because you talked about Black Friday,

467
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: I was on Logan Martin. You caught him on Logan Martin.

468
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was a catching day, but the next

469
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: day you go out there, that cold front kind of

470
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: settled in. Most guys know after a cold front two

471
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: to three days is what you want that to kind

472
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: of stabilize back to normal. You couldn't catch them, No,

473
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: it was almost impossible to get a good one on

474
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: the line.

475
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. Do you know of

476
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: anybody that's a stud or very efficient with that's ever

477
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: said we.

478
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: Need to no, no, and listen.

479
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: I'll call him out. I don't mind calling him out.

480
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: Matt Hair I speak to Matt hair and almost every day. Okay,

481
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: Matt hates Livescote. Matt has some great points about what

482
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Livescape's doing to the lakes or could be possibly doing

483
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: to the lakes, but there's been a lot of energy

484
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: fussing about when you better just go out there and

485
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: figure out how to do it. And it's not what

486
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: the argument that drives me crazy and not to get

487
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: in a big Livescope debate, but is when I hear

488
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: these guys think that you're just going and dropping the

489
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: troll motor wherever and randomly catching thirty pounds, that is

490
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: not the case. You still have to know where, you

491
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 2: still have to be able to attract that fish and

492
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: being Milliken said it one time and I got mad

493
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: when he said it. Now it's it's one of the

494
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: truest things ever. At the Classic last year he made

495
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: a comment about he guess he should have just went

496
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: randomly through it the bank, blindly hoping to catch a

497
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: fish with a chatter bait. I thought that wasn't that

498
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: wasn't cool to say. Now you're saying that the guys

499
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: that are leading and just got lucky. But then he

500
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: clarified what he was talking about. He said, when I'm fishing,

501
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: he said, I know what I'm throwing at, and I'm

502
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: having to figure out how to make that bite that

503
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: fish go to my bait. I know exactly what I'm doing,

504
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: and I have to make the right presentation at the

505
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: right time to get that fistory act. He said. What

506
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: I was saying was these guys are just randomly going

507
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: and throwing blind and hoping ones there in bites. Now,

508
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: what he doesn't understand is that they're not just randomly

509
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: throwing there. You know, they're throwing somewhere that they're supposed

510
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: to be. And I think that's the disconnect between our

511
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: generation and the young generation. We get mad because they

512
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: didn't have to figure it out. We had to know

513
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: why the fish sure there, and they don't have to know.

514
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: And that was the one thing I always told like

515
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: growing up, you never catch fish by accident. Figure out

516
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: why you called that fish because there's a reason. And

517
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: I never would buy him a sixty two transition because

518
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I didn't want him to see three or four hundred

519
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: feet because then I was afraid he would just go

520
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: out and scan. But the older generation, I feel like

521
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: the disconnect there is. Hey, we had to figure all

522
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: that out and y'all got a cheat code, but the

523
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: older generation had to cheat code first in the elite.

524
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You want live scoopers involved in fishing.

525
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: And the reason is because when you can go out

526
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: and you can actually catch consistently five to ten to

527
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty bass a day, whether they're good fish

528
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: or not fish, or they're not the ones that are

529
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: going to win you a tournament, but you're catching, especially

530
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: at a young age, we want kids catching. We want

531
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: them to know what it feels like to get a

532
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: tug on the line that keeps their interest in it.

533
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: The reason why we really want live scopers is who's

534
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: more dedicated to putting out habitat on a regular basis.

535
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: Is that the guys that are beating the bank in

536
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: less than four feet, No, it's the guys who are

537
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: looking for a new target area in maybe twenty food

538
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: of water. So what do they do. They put out

539
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: brush piles. They figure out what brush piles are best.

540
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And sure you get the argument of like somebody's on

541
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: my brush pile. We saw that at you falla Let's

542
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: be real once it goes in the water. You have

543
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: no ownership of that. If I go by my side

544
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: scan and I see it all of a sudden, I

545
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: can market and I can go back and I can

546
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: fish it. Whether it's quote unquote yours or not. The

547
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: reality is every bit of it is good for the sport.

548
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: The impact that I could agree with Matt Heron and

549
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: some of these guys on is will it put more

550
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: stress on fish? Could it be worse for fish in

551
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: the populations in the future. And there's a chance that

552
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: we could say yes. But again, as tournament fishermen, we

553
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: haven't done what biologists and conservationists want us to do,

554
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: which is take some of those fish out. Remember the

555
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: tournament I think it was last year. It was part

556
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: of MLF and it was in Mississippi. I think guys

557
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: were catching fish, they were bringing them over to the tube,

558
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: they were putting it in, and then they didn't even

559
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: put them in the tube. They were just putting them

560
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: in dudes' bags in coolers, and there were people that

561
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: were like, what is this look that actually kind of

562
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: needed to happen. I was upset when I first saw it.

563
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you can't, like, you can't do that.

564
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: The sportsman side of me was like, actually, you really

565
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that because they're not catching the fish as

566
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: their limit. That's just us giving them away. I've seen

567
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: guys in Georgia who will go out to Lake Lanier,

568
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: They'll catch fish and then they'll sell them. I'm like,

569
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you can't do that. But we have

570
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: to take some of these fish out. And that's why

571
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: when I saw the mortality rate that everybody was complaining about.

572
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: The complaint that they have about the mortality rate is

573
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: that the dead fish are back in the water.

574
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so at that point, what does it matter

575
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: if you give them somebody? But here's what I want

576
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: to know, is that mortality rate accurate? How do we

577
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 2: know it's accurate?

578
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: And how do we know it came from tournament fishing?

579
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Because the kill that happened on Lay Lake in the

580
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: north part of the river, where they weren't running water

581
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: for three or four weeks, that kill rate was worse

582
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: than any tournament that they had down there, and all

583
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: those fish go to spoil. But we need to remember

584
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: that there are animals that eat those fish, and even

585
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: if they decompose and they go back into the water,

586
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: there's biomechanisms and organisms that are in the water that

587
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: also feed on those fish. So it's really not wasting.

588
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: It's wasting if we just drive down the road and

589
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: knock them out, and then we shoe off all the

590
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: birds that come over to get them.

591
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Well. And you know, I've called people out high school organizations,

592
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: different organizations.

593
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: I think a change has to happen in high school though.

594
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: When they've had fish kells. And this is one thing

595
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: I want people to understand. I am very diligent when

596
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: it comes to a fish kill, and people see these

597
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: things that I post. I don't post ninety nine point

598
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: and I'm saying stuff get sent to me. But if

599
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I get a fish kill, I'm gonna go check it out.

600
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out what they were doing with their tanks.

601
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out that the oxygen I'm gonna find

602
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out everything before I post anything. And

603
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: if I post something on there about a fish kill,

604
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: those people did a shitty job. The ABT had one

605
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: this year over at Town Creek. Nobody ever heard me

606
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: post that. I got hundreds of pictures from that. People

607
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: sending me videos mad because I wouldn't talk about it. Oh,

608
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: you just won't post it because o Kay. Let me

609
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: and Kay hate each other right now? Okay, so I

610
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: ain't got no reason not about it, all right. So

611
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: but I try to get these terminent organizations to just

612
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: do right, just do better. We're always gonna have fish kills.

613
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: That's gonna happen, and sometimes you can't help it. Sometimes

614
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: you do everything you can and you just can't help it.

615
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: Something happens.

616
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: The high school thing, though, is interesting because that's where

617
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of control needs to happen.

618
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I think we need to limit the amount of boats

619
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: that go in. I think it needs to be treated

620
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: like high school football, where you're trying to make a team,

621
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: or if you're on a team. I remember playing golf

622
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: in high school, and if we were going to be

623
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: in a tournament, we had to qualify amongst our team

624
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: in order to qualify for that tournament.

625
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: That's the best thing I've heard.

626
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I think that that's obviously a key that we should do.

627
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Going to three fish, I've heard arguments from people where

628
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: they say three fishesn't enough to really make a big difference.

629
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: But I also look at the quality in the fishermen

630
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: that you have in high school. And this is not

631
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: a knock. This is simply time on the water and

632
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: the ability to do it. You have a kid like

633
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: Fisher and Aya who's out there all the time. Your

634
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: son Late, he's out on the water all the time.

635
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: These kids have the ability to go out on the water,

636
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: they put the time in. There's an interest there. They

637
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: have that level. There's other kids where they don't have

638
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: that opportunity, but they don't want to fishing tournaments. We

639
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't discourage them from fishing, but we should also make

640
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: it a place where it's a it's learning over winning

641
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: for sure. At the high school level, yes, because your

642
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: kid's going out he's learned every day. Fisher's learned every day.

643
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: There was no reason and and people that take this

644
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: as me saying it Ergont and I don't mean it

645
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: that way. My son has no benefit to fish in

646
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: a high school tournament because if he goes and loses

647
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: and has a bad day. He didn't have a good

648
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: day at Logan Martin a couple of weeks ago on

649
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: high scho tournament. What happened? What what's wrong? We because

650
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: I didn't win? And when we pulled up and we

651
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: told people how much weight they had. Everybody's like, oh,

652
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: he's got a big bag. He's lying, he's lying, and

653
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: you know it's it's one of those things where Lake

654
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: does get to fish every day. He fishes five days

655
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: a week minimum. There's a lot of kids at that

656
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: level Fisher when when Fisher was at that level, and

657
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: man had no business fishing against the host kids because

658
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: they they were gonna catch them every single time. However,

659
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: Fisher and I, as good as he is, would go

660
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: and have a tenth place finish and then people say, oh,

661
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: well he ain't that good.

662
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: Then, Uh no, yeah, I disagree with the whole you know,

663
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: saying that to a kid because he didn't have a

664
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: great day.

665
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: Here's what we started doing when Lake was in ninth grade,

666
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: starting eighth. His eighth and ninth grade year, he won

667
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: more tournaments those two years than he ever had. I quit.

668
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: I was not gonna go fish Asa BFA anymore. I

669
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: wasn't fishing fast Nation, I'm not fishing in Alabama. We're

670
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: gonna go fish the opens. Because what it became was

671
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: let's go and beat our chest fishing on our home lake.

672
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Like people say home Lake Look Lakes Home Lakes, Pickwick

673
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Lake's Home, Lake's Wheeler, Gunnersville, Smith Lake because he fishes

674
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: them so much. So I said, hey, if I'm gonna

675
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: teach my kid about fishing and he's going to go

676
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: to the next level, we need to go instead of

677
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: fishing the Bass Nation tournament on Whealer Lake today, Let's

678
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: go to harsh Chain and fish the Bass Master Open.

679
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Let's go to Sam Rayburn and fish the Bass Master Open.

680
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Let's go fish the MLF. And so we started traveling

681
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: all over. Because there's what you said about people qualifying

682
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: within the school, best thing I've ever heard, because I've

683
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: been in it and I've seen it. And if I

684
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: got say, I got twelve teams right on my high

685
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: school team. Three of them are good fisher three teams

686
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: are good fishermen. They could do well. Most of the time.

687
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: I would have kids show up without rod and reels.

688
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: I had a kid when we went to Lake Martin.

689
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I told everybody to put a foot braid with a

690
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: floor carbon leader. This kid comes with twenty pounds fluorescent mono,

691
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: you know. And so that was the best thing I

692
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: had heard. To limit the numbers these high schools can

693
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: go and have in house tournaments, or.

694
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: Heck, you can have county.

695
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: You can have in the county and then take the

696
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: top twelve and then you get to go to the tournament.

697
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: But we tried to do that when I was at

698
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: West Morgan, when I actually was with the high school team,

699
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: we would do in house tournaments and there was kids

700
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: that probably had no business fishing a tournament at all.

701
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: They just weren't to that level yet. And so had

702
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: you're trying to get dads that's never fished before, never

703
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: been in a boat to be your boat captain. Our

704
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: second high school tournament boat captain fell out, and so

705
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: one of the dads told me he could boat captain,

706
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: so I let him take my boat. My lower unit

707
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: went out that day because he tried to take off

708
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: and fish all day with the motor trim dup. He

709
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: didn't know the trim now and he had the kids

710
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: laying on the front of the boat and he was

711
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: doing this right here, and he hits away. My lower

712
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: unit goes out know any better. So it's a safety

713
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: issue when you've got people that don't have the experience

714
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: on the water and you get that many boats. And

715
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: when I heard you say that the other day, I thought,

716
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that is the best thing that could

717
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: possibly happen.

718
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing, Like, no kid wants to

719
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: go out there and get their breakes beaten off every

720
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: single time that they're on the water. Like it's there

721
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: is a level in learning through losing. And that's something

722
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: that's gone away in the generation that a lot of

723
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: people have out there right now, is it's okay for

724
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: a kid to lose. Like, look at what you were

725
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: just saying about Lake and about Fisher, is they go

726
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: out they don't win. People are like, what's wrong, Well happened, Well,

727
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: you just didn't have the best day. They still finished tenth,

728
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: or they finished fifth, or they even finished in the

729
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: top fifty. It's just it's a long game. And I

730
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: you know when you were talking about how Lake had

731
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: to go to different places and learn different lakes. I know,

732
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: guys that competed in the opens last year made the

733
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: bass Master Elites where people would go up to them

734
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: and go, ay, you're only good on this one lake,

735
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: and then they go to this other lake they get

736
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: good there and they'd be like, ah, you're only good

737
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: on lakes with this type of bait. And then they're like, Okay,

738
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: they proved themselves. And what's beautiful about is it shuts

739
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: the people up.

740
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: They have listened. I took Lake and Fishers to Harris Chain,

741
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Florida together because we wanted them to fish together. I

742
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: fuss and complain all the time with the kids. You

743
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: always fuss and stuff. I've had them in the boat

744
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: twice and you don't say a word. You don't, you don't.

745
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: You don't tell them where to go, You don't say

746
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: a word. They know where, they know where they're going,

747
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: they know what they're doing, and they know During the tournament.

748
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: Ryan took them at Gunsville. I took them to Florida.

749
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: At Florida, they should have had the biggest high school

750
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: bag ever. They had a really bad day losing them.

751
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: But they finished fourth in this big tournament hairs Chained

752
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: with half a day practice. It was the most proud

753
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: I had ever been of them. Too. Now, Fishers weren't

754
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: done a lot now and like's one lot of stuff too,

755
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: but they finished fourth in that tournament. And dude, me

756
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: and Ryan were so happy. That was so incredible because

757
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: you practice for three hours and you come tow here

758
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: against all these local people and people all across the

759
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: country and you did this. Well, then they go to Gunnersville.

760
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: I think they were like fourteen fifteen. We did that,

761
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: and they go to Gunnersville and they were in a

762
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 2: bass Master Open or an MLF something. There's a couple

763
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: of hundred boats. But they got a top five again,

764
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: and me and Ryan talked about how awesome it was

765
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: to boat captain with them too, because it's fun when

766
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: when you got a fourteen and fifteen year old making

767
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: those decisions that like professional anglers are making, you're going,

768
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, and you just shut up. You don't

769
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: you don't say anything, and you're listening to them.

770
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: You know, think there's competition between the two of them.

771
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: I think there is now oh yeah, now, oh gosh, listen.

772
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: That's why they only fish two tournaments to get it.

773
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: But that's the point. The point is in high school

774
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to develop not only your style. You know,

775
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: your your boys have Lake has the confidence, fisher has

776
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: the confidence that's instilled by you, that's instilled by Ryan.

777
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: But when they go to a place and they're making

778
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: decisions that even you, somebody who is an accomplished fisherman

779
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: in your own right, you're probably sitting there going damn.

780
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even I wouldn't even thought of that.

781
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to with Lake. I used to want

782
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: to make my decisions, and the bad thing was when

783
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: mine didn't pan out, it was really bad. Oh yeah,

784
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: And then I felt bad because look, I've cost him

785
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: some turn. I cost him the one at Logan Martin

786
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: it was one hundred percent. I was the fight of

787
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: where we were starting, at what we were doing, and

788
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: we he said where we wanted to start, we start there.

789
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: He caught three and ten minutes, he had he had

790
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: what he wihed in in ten minutes. And he keeps going.

791
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: He's catching them and we just we keep they're not calling,

792
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, we need to leave. He turns

793
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: around and looks at me, and he said, an old

794
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: man once told me you don't leave fish to find fish.

795
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: So I just sat back, all right, and I'm like, hey, dude,

796
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: we gotta go. We got and I made him leave

797
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: and it was a bad decision. And so yeah, they

798
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: they have a totally different mindset because they've learned things

799
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: with Livescope and we're setting our ways and they have

800
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: their own idea. Look, I didn't fish with Lake for

801
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: a year. I probably didn't fish with Lake five times

802
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: he went he wouldn't let me get.

803
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: But our hope with any one of these kids is

804
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: that they'll become the age that we are. And for

805
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: some guys that get set in their ways, the hope

806
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: is they won't be like that. They're always good. They'll

807
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: get set in there with they will they'll be the

808
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: same age that we are when they are, and they'll

809
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: be like, well, are these new lot of kids. I mean,

810
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: we haven't even touched on this, but I'll be really impressed.

811
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: And I don't think anything is not going to have it.

812
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: I believe this will happen for sure. I can't wait

813
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: to see what the forward facing sonar is going to

814
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: be in fifteen years.

815
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wait till you say what it's going

816
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: to be Monday.

817
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: That's my point. My point is the stuff that's rolling

818
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: out I.

819
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Think is coming out Monday. I don't know what day

820
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: it's coming out.

821
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: But twelve nine.

822
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: So yeah.

823
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: But that's my point is, Like everybody can argue, oh

824
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: I don't like ford facing sonar, Just wait, Like technology

825
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: slows down for no one, So guys either need to

826
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: start understanding it and get into it, because I'll tell

827
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: you what, it's a lot easier to understand it now

828
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: than it might be if you're trying to get into

829
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: it ten years from now.

830
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: And you take I still think that it's going to

831
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: come back. The fishing knowledge is going to help you more.

832
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: But if you have that fishing knowledge plus the forward

833
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: facings on our technology, and Fisher is a prime example,

834
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: I cannot stand and I and I defend him. Oh,

835
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: I can't stand it when people talk about Fisher just

836
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: being a lifecover, okay, because I know how he catches

837
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: his fish. Every time he catches one, right, if he

838
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: has a tournament. We talked, I talked to Ryan. I

839
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: know how he caught him. I know those decisions he's making,

840
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: and the dud the dude would still catch him, and

841
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: so would Trey McKinney, So would all these guys.

842
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Now, Oh, the most impressive thing that Trey did was

843
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: I think it was Lake Fork, Yeah, where he chased

844
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: down that one that stole his jerk bake and he

845
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: caught it and got his jerk bake back. Like if

846
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: you can't realize is that proficiency with the technology matters

847
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: over any bait that you throw exactly because for him

848
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: to be able to go, no, that's the fish, that's

849
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: the fish follow it sees the body do something. It's

850
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: set with three sets of trouble hooks in its body,

851
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, it'll still eat this and he gets

852
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: it back. That to me was like, Okay, this guy's legit.

853
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I won't be the first fit.

854
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: He made some bonehead moves while he was on the first.

855
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: Year and he would not have dominated without four faces correct,

856
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean the.

857
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: First But he's still a good fisherman.

858
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: The problem is all of y'all have it, so it's

859
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: it's allowed, and so he's making the most of it.

860
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: And most of these guys that are arguing about it,

861
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: they had it before everybody else and you could have

862
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: learned it. And so I did a video after he

863
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: won l Ford about because people were bashing in livescob

864
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: stop taking, stop diminishing their credibility, give them credit for

865
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: what they've done. Until there's no forward face of sonar,

866
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: we can't say that they wouldn't catch them without it

867
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: because we don't know well.

868
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: And for guys to say well, Ford facing sonar just

869
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: shows that we're catching fish that haven't been caught that.

870
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think every fish that's

871
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: in a body of water has been caught at least

872
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: once in its life because they start out shallow and

873
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: then they'll move around. But if you're watching how they move,

874
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: those guys still have to beat the bank every once

875
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: in a while, and they do and they still catch them.

876
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I watched Jordan Lee sit there and go,

877
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: I got a couple on scope right here, but I

878
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: think there's one over here, throws a chatterbait over boom

879
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: sets up. I've also watched Brandon Palina go I'm not

880
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: using ford facing sonar, but then you see him throw

881
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: a crank bait and he immediately looks down at the

882
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: screen and catches one, so it's like it's there. I

883
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: don't like the sanctimonious stuff where, oh, I don't use this,

884
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: it's there, You're gonna use it, especially as clear and

885
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: as good as it is. How can you not look

886
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: at it yet?

887
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: And it you brought up Jordan I don't like to

888
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: brag on him.

889
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: But well, he's a two time bass Master Classic winner.

890
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: I know that speaks for itself.

891
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: I can go on and on about stories of things

892
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: he's done. But Jordan thinks differently. Jordan has lorance, which

893
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: let's let's be honest, it's not as good as garment. No,

894
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: and him and Lake went, we did a YouTube thing

895
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: and then flipping one day, and then they were gonna

896
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: go scope it. And Lake got up there on the

897
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: troil mar and goes, this is garbage. I don't know

898
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: how scope it is. Well, Jordan came out two weeks ago.

899
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: I called him, told him, dude, we didn't you know,

900
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: we don't call twenty eight pounds. You need to come

901
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: over here as crazy. He gets over there at lunch.

902
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: By two thirty he's got thirty two pounds. And Jordan

903
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: is just different. And I could tell you stories of

904
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: things he's done. And people say, well, what makes Jordan

905
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: Lee so good? Dude? He he don't even know. And

906
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: this is this is true stories. Okay, we're flipping on wheeler,

907
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: we're catching them. We go leave and we're going to

908
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: this other place we're going. He goes, did you say

909
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 2: that bird? I said, yeah, what about it? It's over there,

910
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: it's over by a bush. I didn't know there was

911
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: a bush there. I'm gonna go fish by that bird.

912
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: True story. He goes over there and there's like three

913
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: bushes and he flips and catches a six pounder. Years ago,

914
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: Jordan was young. He may up in eighteen. He was

915
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: fishing either a ABA weekend series. There's a multi day tournament.

916
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: Jordan has my shell beds at the time. He knew

917
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: exactly where I was catching twenty twenty five pounds a day.

918
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: He had this tournament one on he had to just

919
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: go there and catch them. Day one, they call his

920
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: boat number and he puts his trolling mother dad and

921
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: goes throwing a papar around the red rap. I'm sitting

922
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: over there watching. I'm furious.

923
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, why aren't you on the shelf?

924
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: So Lee. Anyway, he comes in. He's leading the tournament.

925
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: He's got twenty and a half twenty one pounds. I said,

926
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: if you wouldn't have wasted time with that popar, I said,

927
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: you probably would add twenty five. He goes, oh, I

928
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: never cracked my motor today. I said, what. He goes

929
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: to use the bathroom that morning, WILLI fly lands on

930
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: his chests. Another one lands on his chest. He goes, hmmm,

931
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: I might just stop through a Popar, for I go

932
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: anywhere he catches twenty one pounds right there by Ingles

933
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 2: Harbor on Popar. Never went to the show beds, never.

934
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: Had to multi day tournament. Did he go on day two?

935
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Didn't go on day two? But you know where? You

936
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: know what? You know what else he didn't do? He

937
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: do you ever went to where he caught the twenty

938
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: one pounds?

939
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: He went to a whole new place, went too.

940
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: You know what, Them barge ties get a lot of

941
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: wheel flies on them. I think I'm gonna throw them

942
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: barge ties first.

943
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: But he's started fishing when he was like sex right he.

944
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: Was, he was a little bit older. His dad didn't fish.

945
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: And and this is something people don't know about Jordan Lee.

946
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Katoma was you know, a mile thro the woods from

947
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: his house. He would drag that aluminum boat through the

948
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: woods to Katoma and drag it back home. And Jordan Lee,

949
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: Jordan Lee don't weigh nothing. You know, he was probably

950
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: ninety pounds at most, but he was all about it.

951
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: But it's become second nature for him. That's what I'm

952
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: saying in you early on and.

953
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: A lot of people think they love fishing. You gotta

954
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: you gotta really love it. If you want to do

955
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: it for a living. Look, I do it. I I

956
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: can go fishing every day if I want to, And

957
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: in some days I'm just like that, I don't want

958
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: to go. And you know, Jordan is one of them

959
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: that he eat, sleeps, freeze it. I don't go fishing

960
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: without him calling me and want to know every single detail.

961
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: He's not one I want to know to know a

962
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: place to go because quite frankly, he's never going to

963
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: go to that place. He's going to duplicate.

964
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: It, and yeah, what's happening on the least.

965
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: It makes me mad when we go man, because you

966
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: know I'll be on him somewhere and say hey, let's

967
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: go do this, and then he wants to go do

968
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: something totally different when we get there, and we always

969
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: catch them. Always we fished. The best story is I

970
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: had won like six tournaments in a row, catching twenty

971
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: five twenty six out off shore pre spawn. Jordan's coming

972
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: to fish this tournament with me. He shows up in

973
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: his boat and he gets there and we're idling out

974
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, are you going to do to day?

975
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: I said, if I'm going to do the same thing,

976
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: I've been doing for a month. He goes, well, it rain,

977
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: not four last. Let's go fish some drains. I want

978
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: to go fish some places you ain't been in ten years,

979
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: I said, Jordan. By nine o'clock, we're going to catch

980
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: twenty five pounds. He said, well, just take me just drains,

981
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: lick on fishy seaholes. We pull up to the first

982
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: just pipe and he flips in there and he catches

983
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: three and a half pounders, puts it in the bottom boat.

984
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: I go to put it in the live well. Takes

985
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: me fifteen minutes to clean the live well out because

986
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: he was fishing in my left sad and usually live wells.

987
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: He has had zim cans, spit bottles, water bottles, sandw

988
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: trash can. Yeah. So I get it done and he's done,

989
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: flipped another one. In long story short, we went and

990
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: fish places I had not been some of them in

991
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: twenty years. And we caught twenty six or twenty seven

992
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: pounds that day, just fishing off the wall stuff. And

993
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: we pulled up to this one drain and it goes

994
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: to these golf course ponds. And I had told him

995
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: about it before. He said, where's that pipe at? You said,

996
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: when the water comes up, the fish go in, eat

997
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: and brim in the golf course pond I told him.

998
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: I said, well, I don't know if we can get

999
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: in there. Hey man, we wheel a tree Lian. It

1000
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: took us forever. We get in there, I said, Jordan,

1001
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: they don't buy nothing but a crank bait. I've never

1002
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: caught him on anything. Of course, Jordan, he's gonna pick

1003
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 2: up a jig. So I throw crank bait in there.

1004
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm not getting bed. He throws there, not here. Here,

1005
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: He throws here and catches a six four. Right, okay,

1006
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: well this is the one fish hole, Jordan. You're only

1007
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: gonna catch one. We might as well leave. He goes,

1008
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: let me throw again. He throws again and catches a

1009
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: five eight. So we fish it. We don't catch nothing.

1010
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. We're going out. And he goes,

1011
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: you don't ever flip that grass, I said, Jordan is

1012
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: ten inches deep, and now we're throwing out. He goes,

1013
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: let me flip it. Back me up. I back him up.

1014
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: He catches a four to eleven, and I'm and I

1015
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 2: would have never flipped that crass.

1016
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: But that's a confidence thing, like he knows he is.

1017
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: He spends so much time on the water, it's second

1018
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: nature for him. That's a confidence thing.

1019
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: He's When people argue about who's the best in the world,

1020
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: you can't argue against Jacob Wheeler. Jake, I don't care

1021
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: what people say about Jacob Wheeler. Jacob Wheeler. When people

1022
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: ask why is Jacob Whider so good, I'm gonna tell you.

1023
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: He's a top five scoper, He's a top five offshore guy.

1024
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: He's a top five scanner, he is a top five flipper,

1025
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: and he's number one preparation tournament preparation. He is obsessed

1026
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: with tournament preparation. And I heard a guy tell me

1027
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: a story about talking to Jacob Whitler on his way

1028
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: to Toledo Ben and he said, Yeah, I'm just gonna

1029
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: jump out to a lead on day one and day

1030
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: two and just kind of cruise the rest of time

1031
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: to championship ran on the way down there. Just the

1032
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: dude's incredible.

1033
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: But Jordan, you will never be able to replace confidence.

1034
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: And that's why when you were talking about Lake and

1035
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: you were like, I screwed him up on a tournament

1036
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: because you wanted to start here. His confidence wasn't in

1037
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: that here's dad, and he's gonna, you know, he's gonna

1038
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: listen to what you say. He's gonna take it under advisement.

1039
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: But you got to go with somebody's confidence. And that's

1040
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: why when everybody knocks scopers, that's a confidence thing. And

1041
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: you've got to have some crazy confidence to be able

1042
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: to cast blindly at no target in the middle of

1043
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: the water, work that bait appropriately over top of their head,

1044
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: by their head, whatever you got to do to get

1045
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: them to bite, because you've got nothing holding them.

1046
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: And it's these scopers the way Jordan Lee is about everything.

1047
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: These scopers are about scoping. And I watched I've been

1048
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: in the boat with JT. Tompkins, I've been in the

1049
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: boat with Logan Parks. Those are two great scopers. And

1050
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: to watch the things they do is just and they

1051
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: don't even look where they're throwing, and still the bait

1052
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: lands right on the fish, you know, and it's it's.

1053
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: This year in the Elites is going to be by

1054
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: far one of the most interesting seasons I think professional

1055
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: fishing's ever seen.

1056
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and predict that Tucker Smith finishes

1057
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: in the top five, and.

1058
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: That's good prediction. But if you look at that schedule,

1059
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: a lot of guys say, ah, this schedule doesn't set

1060
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: up well for scoping and all that kind of stuff.

1061
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: It will guys have ways where they can find what

1062
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: they're looking for when they do it.

1063
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: Tucker Smith is I'm not gonna say he's technically I'm

1064
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: not gonna say he's the next Jordan Lee or anything

1065
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: like that. But we're talking about a kid that won

1066
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: three straight national championships in high school. You can say,

1067
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: let's high school. It was also at a different lake

1068
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: in a different state. The dude, we're talking about four

1069
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: hundred boats. The guy won three in a row. Okay,

1070
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: he did that with different partners with Hayden, but then

1071
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: he goes and wins a million dollars with Logan in

1072
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: the Bass Pro shops.

1073
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Which is where his name really blew up.

1074
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: And and the stuff that happened with Joe Durham down there,

1075
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: you fall, Hey, that gave him bad, messed him up,

1076
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: and he was still in school. I think he probably

1077
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: would have done well had he had he I think

1078
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: he would have qualified that year had he fished all

1079
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: of them.

1080
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: But he handled it the right way as far as

1081
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: as far as a pr side, and.

1082
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: Tucker's gotten a lot of heat from a lot of

1083
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: things that just aren't true.

1084
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: But that's jealousy regardless.

1085
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: Of it being Tuckers. If something's true, I'm gonna you're

1086
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: probably gonna find out about it on my page, no

1087
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: matter who you are. But I just couldn't never find

1088
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 2: anything in the same things been with Trey mckenne man.

1089
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: I get all of these things about Trey McKenny and

1090
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: I've yet to been able to say, Okay, Trey mckennie

1091
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: did this, and he's not a good.

1092
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: Person, traded some stupid stuff like you know, not watching

1093
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: the videos before you're going out for a tournament and

1094
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: then running through it, Like I understand, he's nineteen years old.

1095
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: He's still trying to figure out what he's doing. And yeah,

1096
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: while you're a professional and there is a etiquette to

1097
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: being a professional bass fisherman that is always perceived, he's

1098
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: still nineteen years old, you know, just like any of

1099
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: these new guys that are coming up, they're still young.

1100
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: But that actually makes the sport interesting absolutely is when

1101
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: you have something like that happen, you go, oh damn,

1102
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: somebody actually did something wrong and this could impact what happens.

1103
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole answer in his mama was bad. But

1104
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: the no egg zone, I'll tell you why that one

1105
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: really pissed me off. The night before I was on

1106
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: the phone with him and JT and Tyler Williams, and

1107
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: I said, put me on a speakerphone. I want to

1108
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: talk to everybody. And I had the same conversation with Logan.

1109
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: I said, listen, they're looking for any way that you

1110
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: can miss it. I said, y'all need to go watch

1111
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: that rules meeting three times, and after you watch it

1112
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: the third time, I want you to watch it six

1113
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: more times. And they said, well, we know the rule.

1114
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: I said, the rules are different on every lake. I said,

1115
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: you need to know every detail. I said, promise me

1116
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: that y'all do that. Okay, we'll do that. Well, then

1117
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: when Trey ran at no way up, I didn't even

1118
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: call say I told you so. I think I called

1119
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: cussins what I did well, And.

1120
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: You guys got to remember there's local rules and then

1121
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: there's bast rules.

1122
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the phone call and that cost him.

1123
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Man that you could argue that that was a million

1124
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: dollar phone call. Yeah, you know, anger of the Year

1125
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: and what that does for you with perception and rookie

1126
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: his mother. When I came up to him and told

1127
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: him what had happened and explained to him what was

1128
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: about to happen. I had went to him and told him,

1129
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: you need to go sign the back of paper and

1130
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: say you broke a rule. He goes, what were you talking about?

1131
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: I said, did you answer your phone call from your

1132
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: mother on the water? He said yeah. I said you're

1133
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: going to get disqualified, and he turned as white as

1134
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 2: that desk and I said you are. And his mother

1135
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: started crying and she started apologizing. I said, whoa, this

1136
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: ain't your fault, This is not your fault.

1137
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's responsible for what his actions are.

1138
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: And I even told her, you know, she and I

1139
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: had a very heated conversation after that, and I was

1140
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: very blunt. I said, you're hurting in morning. Help him.

1141
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: I'd want to be there for my kid too. Listen,

1142
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: I'd be the helicopter dad. I could do as I say,

1143
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: not as I do, because I'd probably be doing it.

1144
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: But you're not letting him be an adult and be

1145
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: a man. If you're going to fish in a professional organization,

1146
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: and right now you're the best in that organization, because

1147
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: you're leading the points. You gotta be a man and

1148
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: mama's got to quit. Hold in the hand.

1149
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite phrases. If you're going to

1150
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: do anything in life, fail forward fast, like make your mistakes,

1151
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: realize you made them, and get through them. It would

1152
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how he battles back in his

1153
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: sophomore year at baths but Slick Johnson. Make sure you

1154
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: follow him on TikTok, Instagram and everywhere. Thank you, Bubba, Yes,

1155
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Sir

1156
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: H