Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains some spoilers for the some spoilers
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty five Ryan Coogler epic Sinners. Hello,
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, you guys have been asking for it,
Speaker 2: and honestly, we have wanted to do it because we
Speaker 2: love Sinners and we do want to talk about Sinners.
Speaker 2: But it's been of Ipmageddon, guys, it's been busy. So
Speaker 2: now we're finally diving deep into Sinnas. We'll be having
Speaker 2: a chat about the movie and what we loved about it,
Speaker 2: and you are going to be blessed with ad Jason
Speaker 2: Concepsion omnibus about some of the influencers and inspirations behind Sinners,
Speaker 2: which is gonna be really cool.
Speaker 3: But first we need.
Speaker 2: To introduce you guys to a new segment on X
Speaker 2: ray Vision and the new segment is called Popcorn Pop Outay,
Speaker 2: me really exciting and good Welcome to our very first
Speaker 2: episode of Popcorn Pop Out. It's a bite sized Friday
Speaker 2: special where we prep for the weekend cinematic releases, get
Speaker 2: a quick film history lesson, and hear from the stars
Speaker 2: and creators behind your next favorite movie. Twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: I will say, is shaping up to be a landmark
Speaker 2: here for cinema after twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a little bit down here.
Speaker 1: It was a down here with double double strikes.
Speaker 2: It kind of yeah, we started stuff we loved, but
Speaker 2: it's more than just recognizable.
Speaker 3: Ip.
Speaker 2: Like, while we have our tickets for Summer classics, Jurassic World,
Speaker 2: you know I will be there, comes out the day
Speaker 2: after my birthday. Superman, Fantastic Form, Mission Impossible, How to
Speaker 2: Train Your Dragon, Final Destination. But there's also a giant
Speaker 2: list of directors releasing pictures this year that we can't
Speaker 2: wait to watch, like bon June, Who, Steven Soderberg, Ryan
Speaker 2: cooglerre They already kicked the door open for Paul Thomas Anderson,
Speaker 2: Park Chamwork, Where's Anderson, Catherine Bigelow, Spike Lee, Paul Greengrass.
Speaker 2: I'm putting the Philip Howeer Brothers in there, because I
Speaker 2: just watched Bring Her Back and it was amazing. Jim
Speaker 2: jar Moush, Giamma del Toro close back in Oh, I
Speaker 2: love Jim jar Moosh. Guys, you're gonna get the most
Speaker 2: annoying version of me and Jason talking about these old
Speaker 2: art house movies. Yeah, Damian Chazzelle, Darren Aronofsky, ari Asta,
Speaker 2: Benny Safti, Danny boy or Ryan Johnson, your Goss, I
Speaker 2: love your gossl Anthemos and Gareth Evans who are all
Speaker 2: still planning to release movies this year. Basically, it's a
Speaker 2: smagas board of cinema and for our very first pop out,
Speaker 2: we are revisiting Ryan Coogler's Sinners, and we are a
Speaker 2: little interview with the creative team buying the upcoming Final
Speaker 2: Destination Bloodlines, which is very.
Speaker 3: Very good and we can't wait. But first let's talk
Speaker 3: about Sinners.
Speaker 1: Rosie Sinners, what an incredible cinema experience. I saw it
Speaker 1: in those seventy millimeters panavision, gorgeous and at the vista,
Speaker 1: and you know what, this is a movie that gets
Speaker 1: better the more you think about it. It's an incredible
Speaker 1: experience there. But it's there's so much richness to the film.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it again.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I think what blew me about a way about the movie,
Speaker 2: and I was very lucky. I got to watch it
Speaker 2: at the Imax headquarters, which is where they edit the
Speaker 2: Imax movie, so it was a true Imax screen and
Speaker 2: I went in and I was expecting Coogler, I was
Speaker 2: expecting horror. I was expecting vampires, just because less about
Speaker 2: what they revealed in the trailers, which I do as
Speaker 2: always think it could have been cool to see this
Speaker 2: movie get that word of mouth hit of people not
Speaker 2: knowing about that. But I already knew about this because
Speaker 2: it had been rumored for a long time that it
Speaker 2: was going to be vampires. What I didn't expect was
Speaker 2: when I sat down in the cinema and the movie began,
Speaker 2: and there was just this unbelievable, sprawling cinematography and yeah,
Speaker 2: the most some of the most stunning stuff I've seen
Speaker 2: set to film in a long time. The absolute breakout
Speaker 2: performance of Miles Katton. I just thought the whole movie
Speaker 2: was quite astonishing. And what I thought it did incredibly
Speaker 2: well was it crafted a true four quadrant blockbuster. If
Speaker 2: you just love vampires and you love Lost Boy Rules
Speaker 2: and you want to see a vampire movie about that,
Speaker 2: It's got you covered. If you want to see a
Speaker 2: movie that allows like adult storytelling, fucking violence but it's
Speaker 2: set in a period piece, if you want to learn
Speaker 2: about Delta, Mississippi and the history of Chinese grocery stores, Like,
Speaker 2: there are so many levels to this movie before you
Speaker 2: even get to the blues, before you even get to
Speaker 2: the fact that it's a black gangster movie with nods
Speaker 2: to capone. There is so much here to break apart
Speaker 2: that I think is just truly astonishing, and I think
Speaker 2: it's a really astonishing piece of cinema. I absolutely adore
Speaker 2: the practical work, and I also think something that for
Speaker 2: me was really gorgeous about this film was it had violence,
Speaker 2: it had horror, it had trauma, but it also had
Speaker 2: hope and it also had It was also a story
Speaker 2: about two brothers who get to find their own versions
Speaker 2: of immortality, which I absolutely adored. I thought that it
Speaker 2: was rioteously funny at parts two, which is some of
Speaker 2: the cool. I think the balance between the action, the humor,
Speaker 2: the music, the kind of transcendent exploration of the way
Speaker 2: that music can connect to ancestral pasts and futures. That
Speaker 2: sequence like made me cry. I also think something that
Speaker 2: Koogler did that was really interesting and kind of unheard
Speaker 2: of is he made sure the movie looked good for everyone.
Speaker 2: I saw the movie in for Imax, but I also
Speaker 2: saw the movie in a tiny screen at the Alamo
Speaker 2: draft House, eating like the Sinners themed menu.
Speaker 3: It was just as good. It was just it was
Speaker 3: just a different experience. And I think he.
Speaker 1: Shot it down multiple formats to allow for multiple framings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and to have it look good for everybody, no matter
Speaker 1: whether you're an Imax, semi mil whatever.
Speaker 3: I think is really cool.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those films that will be
Speaker 2: looked back on as a seminal movie.
Speaker 3: But I also think it's a rare seminal movie.
Speaker 2: That will also be looked back on as like a
Speaker 2: great sleepover film and a great film that will be
Speaker 2: studied at in film school, and a great film that
Speaker 2: inspire storytellers.
Speaker 3: It walks on so many different levels.
Speaker 1: It's what I love about cinema, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: I can kind of end up rolling my eyes when
Speaker 1: when people start having these overly artistic kind of amorphous
Speaker 1: conversations about the meaning of cinema and art and stuff.
Speaker 1: To me, cinema the movies, it's about number one, like
Speaker 1: are you entertaining people? This is an entertainment itedom And
Speaker 1: then after you're entertaining them, are they are there deeper
Speaker 1: levels to the entertainment?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And siners like.
Speaker 1: Really has that in a way that's more profound the
Speaker 1: more you think about it. And to kind of piggyback
Speaker 1: off what you talked about, I love that this is
Speaker 1: a movie about a period of American history and a
Speaker 1: lace the Jim Crow South. That doesn't compress that story
Speaker 1: into just a story about oppression and the oppressed. It's
Speaker 1: a story about life and the variety and the richness
Speaker 1: of the life there at that time. Yes, that that
Speaker 1: was oppression was part of the story, and the fact
Speaker 1: that the non white residents, the black residents of this
Speaker 1: area had very little security in their homes and their lives.
Speaker 1: At the same time, this is a story about people
Speaker 1: creating this space, this jupe joint where life can happen,
Speaker 1: where celebrations happened.
Speaker 2: In spite of the oppression, and that's how people survive.
Speaker 3: And I think that I adore that aspect of this movie.
Speaker 2: And I also think that this sets Coogler apart as
Speaker 2: a kind of generational time. We knew that he could
Speaker 2: do that with you know, Black Panther, and we knew
Speaker 2: he could tell like intimate inspired by true life stories
Speaker 2: with The Fruit Real Station, which is like obviously an
Speaker 2: unbelievable movie, but also like he gets to have fun
Speaker 2: here and he gets to put together all of his
Speaker 2: creative collaborators and craft something that is incredibly specific. But again,
Speaker 2: I think this happened with Squid Game. I think this
Speaker 2: happened with everything everywhere all at once. If you make
Speaker 2: something that is really specific and authentic and true to
Speaker 2: the story you want to tell, there is a universality
Speaker 2: in that that will appeal to people, and people will go, well,
Speaker 2: I I connect to this part, and I connect to
Speaker 2: this part. And even just like I think having like
Speaker 2: a fat woman and obviously in this case it's win
Speaker 2: Me Massako incredible, you know, fat black woman in a
Speaker 2: space where she is like loved and lusted after and appreciated.
Speaker 2: And two I don't know, I just there's so many
Speaker 2: different levels. I think people are going to be talking
Speaker 2: about this movie for so long, and I do think
Speaker 2: when I came out of this movie, I said to
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers, I said to my friend who works there,
Speaker 2: I said, in a just world, this movie sweeps the Oscars.
Speaker 2: And when I said that before the movie was out,
Speaker 2: it seemed crazy to say that.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think there's a I think there's
Speaker 1: a lane.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's got Elaine.
Speaker 1: I certainly think Coogler is going to get Best Director.
Speaker 1: I certainly think he's gonna get Best Original screen Yeah, nominations.
Speaker 1: I think the cinematography is going to be in there.
Speaker 1: I think we get Ludwig Gore and Ericsson definites again
Speaker 1: in there for soundtrack and a few other things.
Speaker 3: I think, and they who knows, like but I.
Speaker 1: Think there's a shot. I think there's a shot for
Speaker 1: certainly nomination Best of It, definitely nominations. I definitely think
Speaker 1: Best Original Screenplay is our best shot.
Speaker 2: Though I do feel like for a movie and a
Speaker 2: movie awards show, as Bongin who called it a local
Speaker 2: awards show that is so heavily American, so focused on
Speaker 2: American cinema, I feel like sinners should be the.
Speaker 3: Only option when it comes to a sweep. I think
Speaker 3: we could be.
Speaker 2: This is my far out prediction because in we are
Speaker 2: far Out, We're over, We're like, We're over.
Speaker 3: Like it's basically like a year.
Speaker 2: Basically, my gut says it's gonna get like ten or
Speaker 2: eleven nominations, but then we'll win like Best Original Screenplay.
Speaker 3: But I'm hoping.
Speaker 2: As I said when I first saw the movie and
Speaker 2: me and Joelle kind of did our brief feedback, I
Speaker 2: do think this could be this year's everything everwhere all
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 3: I think it can keep playing.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's back in the IMAX right now once Friendship
Speaker 2: is a hit come back, which it's a huge financial hit,
Speaker 2: which I think helps, but it's also a rare critical
Speaker 2: and commercial hit where a score is really high. There
Speaker 2: is a accessibility hit that means people will actually have
Speaker 2: seen the movie and be rooting for it. But there
Speaker 2: is also a quality of cinematography, of movie making, of
Speaker 2: reference that makes this something that the Academy should be exploring.
Speaker 2: This is my this is my far out as an
Speaker 2: unlikely thing, which is in a just world Sinners sweeps,
Speaker 2: but I also think post bring Her Back Sally Hawkins
Speaker 2: following the Dememor route set from the substance. I think
Speaker 2: that Sally Hawkins for Bring Her Back should be up
Speaker 2: for Best Leading.
Speaker 3: And I would love to see a world you know,
Speaker 3: Final Destination. Put that in there for best effects that
Speaker 3: movie and you know what, the.
Speaker 2: David Ayer Suicide Side Squad movie, a OSCAR winning movie,
Speaker 2: some makeup. So I'm saying, put Final Destination in there
Speaker 2: for special effects. I want to see a horror centric
Speaker 2: Oscars next year. That's my that's my way out there.
Speaker 2: Like not gonna happen, but I would love to see it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about one thing that you mentioned, which
Speaker 1: is that incredible scene when as the celebrations and the
Speaker 1: duke joint and the music starts to really crescendo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Coogler brings in.
Speaker 1: Like all the vast tributaries in the Great River that
Speaker 1: springs from Black American culture, including hip hop, including.
Speaker 2: You get a j all these other Yeah. I love
Speaker 2: that when you see that he pitches in. He doesn't
Speaker 2: just go for the ancestral past.
Speaker 3: He goes for like this goes into the future and
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 2: And you get that kind of Bootsy Collins esque And
Speaker 2: that was when I was like I got core in
Speaker 2: my throat, like, oh, he's doing something we've never seen before.
Speaker 4: It really made me.
Speaker 1: You know, hopeful is the right word that you used,
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, one of the with all
Speaker 1: the terrible things that can happen in the world, and
Speaker 1: that we're happening at that time, and that maybe are
Speaker 1: happening now. I think one of the things to take
Speaker 1: away is that, you know, love doesn't this kind of hopefulness.
Speaker 3: Love of community, love of humanity.
Speaker 1: It never it's never able to. It doesn't have the
Speaker 1: strength in the moment to stop anything that's terrible, but
Speaker 1: it has the strength over time to continue to inspire
Speaker 1: people over the long term.
Speaker 3: And that's what it really got.
Speaker 1: That's what really hit me in that in the middle
Speaker 1: of that scene is like, look how people survive and
Speaker 1: not just survive, but thrive under circumstances that are oppressed.
Speaker 3: Imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and to be able to put that in
Speaker 1: the middle of a quote unquote genre film, it just
Speaker 1: made me feel like we just joked about how it's
Speaker 1: not good. You know, you're you saying it's going to
Speaker 1: be horror Oscars twenty twenty six. It's not going to be, no,
Speaker 1: but this is a this is a movie that absolute
Speaker 1: like deletes the idea of genre. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: genre is like less than or or should be less
Speaker 1: than or shouldn't be thought of as something, you know,
Speaker 1: intensely profound and meaningful, with something deeper to say than
Speaker 1: just the stuff that's on the surface level text, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, if you just whatever read the logline of
Speaker 1: this movie or had somebody come out and just immediately
Speaker 1: pitch you this movie after leaving the theater, it'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: this kind of genre bending vampire epic set in the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties South Like, you'd be like okay.
Speaker 3: But there's so.
Speaker 1: Much more to it than that. And I do hope that.
Speaker 1: I do hope, and I do think that it is
Speaker 1: going to be there in Awards season.
Speaker 2: I do see a lot of it in a conversation
Speaker 2: because I also don't think it's going to be out
Speaker 2: of the movie fas for a long time. People want
Speaker 2: to see this in imax exhibit as, want to play it,
Speaker 2: someone like Tyn Tino could keep playing it at.
Speaker 3: The Vista also as well.
Speaker 2: I would say we've seen like Nope Is in continual
Speaker 2: play in LA and sevent email and meters like every
Speaker 2: few months. Everyone wants to see it that way as
Speaker 2: it was, you know, meant to be seen, And I
Speaker 2: would say Sinners and Note would.
Speaker 5: Be a truly great double bill. But yeah, I'm very
Speaker 5: excited for the future of this movie. I love thinking
Speaker 5: about how I bet that Ryan Coogler and Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan when this movie, like the lead into it, I
Speaker 2: bet they were just sitting there like absolutely knowing, like shit,
Speaker 2: we fucking like we really we really cooked at this.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I feel like I hope that they
Speaker 2: were just like they knew that they had something that
Speaker 2: was so special.
Speaker 3: And I really I'm so happy to see the.
Speaker 2: Way this has got people excited to go back to
Speaker 2: movie theaters, excited to talk about movies, excited to make movies,
Speaker 2: Like there's.
Speaker 3: Just so much Rosie.
Speaker 1: Is there anything about remis Vampire Pitch that had you
Speaker 1: at any point thinking, you know, what if I was
Speaker 1: out in the swamp somewhere and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we're under attacked by vampires.
Speaker 6: But then the.
Speaker 1: Vampire comes and makes and is playing some some jaunty
Speaker 1: music and makes me a picture about eternal life, and
Speaker 1: I come with a smile. I think about it would
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I don't, no, no, no, I gotta tell you. I
Speaker 2: would be like a number one sucker, like if.
Speaker 3: A vampire, I just can't help it.
Speaker 2: Ever since I was a little kid, I knew that
Speaker 2: if a vampire came to me, I would say, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I like it is funny because like I relate deeply
Speaker 2: to the kind of memes where people are like, I'm
Speaker 2: all life, I've seen enough, like I don't need them all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But at the same time, it's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I do want to be a little I do want
Speaker 2: to be a little vampire. I want to just be
Speaker 2: like hanging out and like dancing. Well, then, I'm not
Speaker 2: a banjo music fan, so I don't think this particular
Speaker 2: band of vampires would have sold me on it.
Speaker 3: But generally I'm open to vampirism. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: You're a vampire, Okay, how do you feed? Are you
Speaker 1: doing like bad people? Or it's just like listen, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a creature of nature, like a lion doesn't think
Speaker 1: about is that a good will to beast or a
Speaker 1: bad will? They're just eating? Which which philosophy do you
Speaker 1: go with?
Speaker 3: Think that a rich.
Speaker 2: You know, early on, I think all of us are
Speaker 2: going to try and live that kind of like we're
Speaker 2: just killing bad people, like we're just drinking that blood,
Speaker 2: like it's just bad. But I'm sure that at some
Speaker 2: point then it starts getting like really small. You like
Speaker 2: see someone litter after one hundred years and you're like
Speaker 2: that bad, Like that's you could have recycled that shit, babe,
Speaker 2: Like it's time you're off. I definitely I don't think
Speaker 2: I could live like the the Twilight you only drink,
Speaker 2: you know, animal blood kind of kind of situation.
Speaker 3: How about you? What are you? Are?
Speaker 7: You?
Speaker 3: Are you just? You're just a stone called killer?
Speaker 1: I think, well, first of all, I I think like
Speaker 1: you that I would. I'm susceptible to the pitch. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say one hundred percent no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it. But if I'm like you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't have the feistiness to be fighting dozens of
Speaker 1: vampires tonight, I don't think I'm gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I like that just lazy. Yeah it sounds and it does.
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound bad.
Speaker 1: It sounds pretty good, like there are there's definitely upsides
Speaker 1: to it. And then I think after the fact, should
Speaker 1: I take the plunge? And my only you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: like you, my only points of reference to what it
Speaker 1: would be like are every vampire movie I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: every story I've ever read about vampires, and then like
Speaker 1: you know, allowing myself to be turned into a vampire
Speaker 1: in Oblivion and Skyrim. So those are my only thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are my only touchdotes. I think like you, I
Speaker 1: would be the same. I would be like, first, bad people,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just are going down the list, who's bad,
Speaker 1: who's bad, who's like very loudly bad, and let me
Speaker 1: see if I can stuck their blood and then and
Speaker 1: not turn them. Yes, they don't get to be turned.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the turning is a very intimate thing,
Speaker 1: and you I want to make sure that somebody's down
Speaker 1: with it. Like really, I'd be like, listen, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a multi stage.
Speaker 3: PROCESSU consensual vampire where.
Speaker 1: It's really going to talk about what because you can't
Speaker 1: there's no going back, so we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And then I think, like you listen, over time, over
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, I can't. I can't promise that I
Speaker 1: that standards wouldn't slip a little bit.
Speaker 2: We would try our best, but after a while, you're
Speaker 2: just like really hungry.
Speaker 3: Humans are annoying. Yeah, you guys are so annoying.
Speaker 2: But I would say, like, you know, as a vampire,
Speaker 2: you could just like you could live off billion as
Speaker 2: for a pretty long time with how many So I
Speaker 2: think that would be like start at the top kind
Speaker 2: of trickle downditors.
Speaker 3: Were like jacking terrible billionaires.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe this If any vampires listening, let me
Speaker 2: and Jason No, we might have a plan.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the Omlands and we're back.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Omnibus, where Lauren, analysis and understanding come together.
Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about kindred spirits, the Choctaw
Speaker 1: Irish bond in real life, and its depiction here in Sinners.
Speaker 1: In eighteen forty seven, as Ireland was ravaged by the
Speaker 1: Great Famine, a remarkable act of compassion across the Atlantic,
Speaker 1: A group of Choctaw leaders in Oklahoma, themselves survivors of
Speaker 1: the Trail of Tears, forced March a decade prior, raised
Speaker 1: a hunt undred and seventy dollars for quote, the relief
Speaker 1: of the starving poor in Ireland, the equivalent today of
Speaker 1: a bit more than sixty two hundred dollars. The Choctaws
Speaker 1: people their resources were not great, but they gave what
Speaker 1: they could to those who they saw as in great need.
Speaker 1: The remarkableness of the gesture was noted even at the time.
Speaker 1: Martin vent Shake, the chairman of the General Irish Relief
Speaker 1: Committee of New York City, mentioned the donation specifically in
Speaker 1: his report back to Ireland. As Choctaw historian Judy Allen
Speaker 1: explained to the BBC quote, we had been through so much,
Speaker 1: losing so many of our people through death because of
Speaker 1: the weather, starvation, a disease that sixteen years later we
Speaker 1: heard about the famine and the horrible situation that they
Speaker 1: were going through.
Speaker 3: We felt such empathy that we wanted to help.
Speaker 1: The Choctaw donation during eighteen forty seven, what is known
Speaker 1: as Black forty seven, the Famin's darkest year, forged an
Speaker 1: unlikely bond between the two peoples who were separated by
Speaker 1: an ocean. The only real link between them was a
Speaker 1: common humanity, a common sense of another people's suffering, as
Speaker 1: the Choctawn nation had suffered.
Speaker 3: Yet that was enough.
Speaker 1: This unexpected kinship had been passed down through generations, entering
Speaker 1: Irish and Choctaw folk memory. It planted seeds of a
Speaker 1: future friendship that would be rekindled and honored many times over.
Speaker 1: Irish communities walk the Trail of Tears in a six
Speaker 1: hundred mile fund raising trek in nineteen ninety two, raising
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy thousand dollars for famine relief in Somalia,
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars for every dollar the Choctaw gave. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, Ireland's President Mary Robinson, the first woman
Speaker 1: President of Ireland, traveled to Oklahoma to thank the Choctaw
Speaker 1: in person, and more recently, in twenty twenty, tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of Irish donors sent over a million dollars in
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen relief to hard hit Native American reservations. The
Speaker 1: Irish have enshrined this relationship in art. In a park
Speaker 1: in Middleton County, Cork, a stunning monument called Kindred Spirits
Speaker 1: stands as a tribute to the choctaws generosity. The sculpture
Speaker 1: consists of nine twenty foot stainless steel eagle feathers arranged
Speaker 1: in a circle, forming the shape of a giant empty bowl.
Speaker 1: Each feather is unique a sign of respect, symbolizing those
Speaker 1: used in Choctaw ceremonies. The empty bowl of feathers points
Speaker 1: to both the famines, hunger and the nourishment given. Unveiled
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen with Chalktaw representatives in attendants, Kindred spirits
Speaker 1: is an enduring expression of gratitude and empathy.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: These people were still recovering from their own injustice, and
Speaker 1: they helped strangers, noted one Irish official at the dedication,
Speaker 1: calling it a rare and selfless generosity that had to
Speaker 1: be acknowledged. Alex Pentech, the Irish The Irish artist Alex Pentech,
Speaker 1: the Irish artist who created a monument, said he aimed
Speaker 1: to capture quote the courage for Jilly and humanity shown
Speaker 1: by the Choctaw people. The memorial thus serves not only
Speaker 1: as a reminder of a past charity, but as a
Speaker 1: celebration of resilience had shared hope. And it's fitting then
Speaker 1: that this legacy of mutual compassion intertwined history finds a
Speaker 1: new life in Ryan Coogler's Sinners, a modern vampire film,
Speaker 1: and it's a testament to the rich call research and
Speaker 1: history that Kugler did. One thread of the film follows
Speaker 1: an Irish immigrant named Remick played by Jack O'Connell, a
Speaker 1: vampire who is being pursued by a band of Choctaw
Speaker 1: vampire hunters. Beneath the horror action of the film, Kugler
Speaker 1: is engaging with deep themes of hunger, of colonization, and
Speaker 1: cross cultural kinship. The film's premise was directly inspired by
Speaker 1: real history. Kugler, in researching nineteen thirties Mississippi, discovered that
Speaker 1: Chinese chalked on Irish communities all had a hand and
Speaker 1: influence in the Delta's cultural life and music. Quote all
Speaker 1: of them appears in Sinners, he says, a deliberate choice
Speaker 1: to reflect a richer reality than one commonly used to
Speaker 1: depict the Jim Crow South. As he notes in an
Speaker 1: interview with Phillyvoice dot com, quote, it's very easy to
Speaker 1: flatten the Jim Crow South just because the signs and
Speaker 1: had colored and white on them.
Speaker 3: You think that's all the people that were there. But
Speaker 3: that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Remick, the vampire villain, embodies these themes in complex ways.
Speaker 3: He arrives as an outsider.
Speaker 1: From another world, an older world, one that pre existed
Speaker 1: American racial hierarchies, and as an irishman turned on dead,
Speaker 1: Remick carries the legacy of Ireland's own history of colonization
Speaker 1: and famine. He is, in fact literally famished, literally starving,
Speaker 1: a vampire driven by hunger, emerging from a nation that
Speaker 1: new starvation. In one pivotal scene, Remic stands outside a
Speaker 1: juke joint and begins to sing the Rocky Rote to Dublin,
Speaker 1: a bouncy nineteenth century Irish folk ballad which tells the
Speaker 1: story of an irishman who leaves home for Liverpool in
Speaker 1: search of work, and once there he finds hardship, violence
Speaker 1: and solace and protection in the kinship of his fellow
Speaker 1: Irish immigrants. It's an ironic choice. Remick is using the
Speaker 1: tune to tempt the patrons outside, offering them a chance
Speaker 1: to escape Jim Crow Mississippi by joining him in immortality.
Speaker 1: But as doctor Rachel Stewart of Brunell University in London
Speaker 1: notes quote, the music he chooses, although catchy, is a
Speaker 1: story of exchanging one form of suffering life in tu
Speaker 1: him in Ireland during the height of English suppression, for
Speaker 1: another life on the English Mainland, where the ballad tells
Speaker 1: of victimization and violence, depicting in Sinners, Rocky wrote to
Speaker 1: Dublin is the song of a predator promising escape while
Speaker 1: secretly leading his victims into another form of exploitation. Coogler's
Speaker 1: own love of Irish music and culture infuses this scene
Speaker 1: and others with a genuine musical verve and dynamism, he
Speaker 1: told the Filmmaker Toolkit podcast quote, I'm obsessed with Irish
Speaker 1: folk music. My kids are obsessed with it. My first
Speaker 1: name is Irish.
Speaker 3: He continued.
Speaker 1: I think it's not known how much crossover there is
Speaker 1: between African American culture and Irish culture, and how much
Speaker 1: that stuff is loved in our community.
Speaker 3: See Sinners to really tap into that.
Speaker 2: An incredible movie, unbelievable stuff, and I love Jason, you
Speaker 2: are the king of omnibuses.
Speaker 4: That was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a message from our sponsors, and afterwards,
Speaker 2: I will be speaking to the directors of the Delightfully
Speaker 2: grow Tesque Final Destination bloodline about their inspirations the franchise
Speaker 2: and sending off horror legends.
Speaker 4: Tony Todd, Hello, guys.
Speaker 8: It's so great to speak to you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, great to talk to you.
Speaker 8: I absolutely loved the movie.
Speaker 2: It was fantastic, and I was lucky enough to take
Speaker 2: a friend who is a lifelong Final Destination superstar and.
Speaker 8: He absolutely loved it amazing.
Speaker 2: I want to because I'm kind of lucky to get
Speaker 2: a little bit more time with you guys. I would
Speaker 2: love to know, like, what's your first memory of watching
Speaker 2: Final Destination?
Speaker 8: When did that begin?
Speaker 7: I think for me it was FD two, And you know,
Speaker 7: I think for a lot of people, the logging truck
Speaker 7: scene kind of scars you, especially if you saw it
Speaker 7: back then at an early age of sort of wow,
Speaker 7: driving on a highway could be extremely dangerous, especially for
Speaker 7: me because I grew up in Vancouver, which is where
Speaker 7: all the FT movies were shot except for number four,
Speaker 7: and so that highway that they shot that scene, and
Speaker 7: I've been down many times, and I've been on the
Speaker 7: rollercoaster from FT three, and I've been on the bridge
Speaker 7: of FT five, and so all of those set pieces
Speaker 7: are very very real for me and my growing up
Speaker 7: in that city.
Speaker 10: I remember the plane scene, I mean, and to this day,
Speaker 10: you know, whenever there's turbulence, I go probably because of
Speaker 10: that scene. But you know, then as filmmakers, you know,
Speaker 10: we really connected to the films even more because these
Speaker 10: films are special. There's no antagonists like in other horror movies.
Speaker 10: There's no monster in the woods, there's no guy in
Speaker 10: a mask, you know, with a knife. It's really the
Speaker 10: filmmaking that's creating the suspense. You know, those close up
Speaker 10: shots that are all connected and that are cut in
Speaker 10: the perfect way to create the maximums of suspense is
Speaker 10: really something as filmmakers we've always relished and it was
Speaker 10: such a joy to be able to create that.
Speaker 7: In this movie.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I at the screening that we went to in
Speaker 2: La we did get a tease about how you guys
Speaker 2: got this movie. So I would love if for our
Speaker 2: listeners you could kind of explain what was your pitching
Speaker 2: process like and how did you put together that really
Speaker 2: unique pitch.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, your listeners may not know that directors often
Speaker 7: have to audition just like actors zoo to get these
Speaker 7: bigger jobs, and part of that process is putting images
Speaker 7: together and all your thoughts on the scenes and new ideas.
Speaker 6: And we did all that, but one of the.
Speaker 7: Really hard things when you're pitching is to pitch tone
Speaker 7: and Final Destination has a really unique tone. It's not
Speaker 7: just scary, it's not just fun, it's all it's all
Speaker 7: these things kind of mixed together, and so we wanted
Speaker 7: to bring that to life for them, and we had
Speaker 7: this crazy idea of basically having death come for us
Speaker 7: at the end of our pitch and for the for
Speaker 7: the executives watching, they had no idea any was going
Speaker 7: to happen. So for them it was just as much
Speaker 7: a surprise as it would be when you're in the
Speaker 7: theater and we were pitching our the finale of what
Speaker 7: we thought the end of the movie should be, while
Speaker 7: the fireplace behind us was lighting the wall on fire,
Speaker 7: and they all started pointing and being very concerned, and
Speaker 7: we got up and quickly put the fire out and
Speaker 7: turned on this big ceiling fan, and I'm running around
Speaker 7: saying should I call nine one one?
Speaker 6: And then then we like calmed down and they all.
Speaker 7: Started up plouding, being like, oh, that's great, that was
Speaker 7: very They kind of realized that it was a joke.
Speaker 7: And then right at that moment, there was sparks that
Speaker 7: came from the ceiling fan and it fell off the
Speaker 7: ceiling and I jumped out of the way, and it
Speaker 7: chopped Adham's head off and his blood went sprang everywhere,
Speaker 7: and it was quite a surprise for them, and it
Speaker 7: gave them the experience of watching Final Destination, and so
Speaker 7: that was really important because we wanted them to know
Speaker 7: that we knew how to build these types of set pieces.
Speaker 8: What was it like, top of your head chopped on that?
Speaker 9: You know, I know he's always trying to get rid
Speaker 9: of me.
Speaker 2: So why was it so important for you guys to
Speaker 2: not just showcase that you understand the tone, which is important,
Speaker 2: but also you brought something else in that moment, which was, hey,
Speaker 2: we can do VFX, we can make this look real.
Speaker 2: Could you talk a little bit about kind of putting
Speaker 2: that on the screen.
Speaker 9: You know what it was for me?
Speaker 10: It was the joy bringing the joy in and showing
Speaker 10: them that like, not only do we get how to
Speaker 10: do this technically, but that we can bring our sort
Speaker 10: of creativity to the franchise in unexpected ways. Kind Of
Speaker 10: when you're pitching sometimes, I'm sure you know filmmakers in
Speaker 10: your audience or actors in your audience can relate to this.
Speaker 10: It can kind of feel like a slog. You know,
Speaker 10: you're trying to get these jobs. You're trying to do
Speaker 10: self tapes.
Speaker 8: Everything's inn ip you're trying.
Speaker 10: To you're trying to prove that you can do it
Speaker 10: and to bring our joy of filmmaking into that process
Speaker 10: and make like a little mini movie that we could
Speaker 10: entertain them with. That's I think what made it feel
Speaker 10: so special.
Speaker 8: The most incredible thing about that I think I heard
Speaker 8: is there.
Speaker 2: Was no one recording it right, even though most pictures
Speaker 2: are recorded, so it's never going on the Blu ray.
Speaker 10: They've been kicking themselves because I think they you know,
Speaker 10: they hit record on some of the pitches and they
Speaker 10: just forgot to do ours or something.
Speaker 8: I love that.
Speaker 10: And the fact that it was a live experience, I
Speaker 10: think is what also made it feel special. That like
Speaker 10: those you know, twenty people who were on that zoom
Speaker 10: are the only people who could ever expecience exactly made
Speaker 10: it feel you know, extra special.
Speaker 8: Well, you kind of touched on the joy. I think
Speaker 8: this is the funniest final destination.
Speaker 2: I think it's it has some of the most brutal,
Speaker 2: scary kills, but it also has the most kind of
Speaker 2: on screen, non contextual, non tongue in cheek kind of laughs.
Speaker 2: So could you talk about kind of bringing after you know,
Speaker 2: fourteen years, like kind of bringing that new layer to
Speaker 2: the films.
Speaker 7: I think we always wanted to create a film where
Speaker 7: you're watching it through your fingers because it's super intense,
Speaker 7: but you also have a huge smile on your face.
Speaker 7: And I think Adam and I just have an incredibly dark,
Speaker 7: twisted sense of humor, where the darker it gets, the
Speaker 7: funnier we think it gets. And I think a lot
Speaker 7: of the humor that we wanted to bring out aren't
Speaker 7: necessarily jokes. They're not necessarily one liners. They're just the
Speaker 7: emergent humor that comes out of how insane the situation is.
Speaker 7: And we always kind of keep asking ourselves when we're
Speaker 7: working on those scenes, like.
Speaker 6: What would it feel like to be in the situation?
Speaker 6: And what would you say? And what would you do?
Speaker 7: And if you knew that you could only you know,
Speaker 7: live for the years of however much someone had if
Speaker 7: you killed them, well, wouldn't you try and kill the
Speaker 7: youngest person possible? And wouldn't that and wouldn't that be
Speaker 7: hilarious to put in the movie? And like, just like
Speaker 7: those types of things, it all comes from the that
Speaker 7: emerge the humor emerges out of the situation, and I think.
Speaker 10: People especially now want to be in the theater having
Speaker 10: that experience with it in a communal way, you know,
Speaker 10: to scream when everyone else is screaming, and laugh when
Speaker 10: everyone else is laughing, and feel all of those feelings.
Speaker 10: If the crowd is such a special, special thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, in twenty twenty five, when a lot of
Speaker 2: movies are not going to theaters, and obviously we are
Speaker 2: currently living in a moment where everyone is loving to
Speaker 2: go to the theater because of a horror movie with sinners,
Speaker 2: what was it like for you guys to make a
Speaker 2: movie that was exactly always going to be for that.
Speaker 2: It's not going to streaming, it's not going to be
Speaker 2: second screen. It is about the people in the cinema
Speaker 2: going like, oh, Mike, well I can't watch that, or
Speaker 2: everyone kind of laughing when you think somebody's gotten away,
Speaker 2: And there are many many moments like that in this movie.
Speaker 2: So how fun was it to be able to go
Speaker 2: into it knowing you're making a cinematic experience.
Speaker 10: That was our first and foremost goal the entire time,
Speaker 10: is make this a movie that's so special to experience
Speaker 10: with other people that you have to see it in theaters.
Speaker 10: A big part of that was actually working with Imax people.
Speaker 10: From the very beginning, we knew this movie was going
Speaker 10: to be in Imax. We were crafting it for the
Speaker 10: big screen to have that intensity and that delight of
Speaker 10: how intense it could be on a big screen and
Speaker 10: also craft. You know, one of the things that was
Speaker 10: really fun while working with the Imax people is they
Speaker 10: really encouraged us to use that aspect ratio change as
Speaker 10: a creative tool, not just you know, suddenly cut to it,
Speaker 10: but how can you guys use this as a creative tool.
Speaker 10: And we had the idea to use it as a
Speaker 10: signal of death being present. So we designed for each
Speaker 10: death sequence a specific shot that pushes in in a
Speaker 10: very creepy, slow way, and that's when it expands to
Speaker 10: Imax and it gives you that feeling that death is here,
Speaker 10: and you know, for people who don't know to look
Speaker 10: out for it, it just has this feeling of extra
Speaker 10: ominous intensity. But for fans who know to look for that,
Speaker 10: it's similar to the way death arrives on the wind
Speaker 10: or with a music cue, except now there's a visual
Speaker 10: symbol too. There's a moment where you can actually see
Speaker 10: death arrive on the scene, which is just so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, and I've feel like people are extra
Speaker 2: prime to understand Imax understand those aspect ratios because of Ryan.
Speaker 8: And Sinners, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: Something else that I really loved about this film is
Speaker 2: I am like a law lover, like lor Everyone.
Speaker 8: Always rags on me.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you love the law. I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: not that kind of law. This is a movie that's
Speaker 2: heavily invested in final destination law. So, as fans, what
Speaker 2: was it like to get to play in the sandbox
Speaker 2: but also expand it because we get new backstories here
Speaker 2: for fan favorite characters, we get a new understanding of
Speaker 2: how death works.
Speaker 8: So could you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: That kind of expansion while also getting to pull from
Speaker 2: so many different sources, because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: the early reviews are like, wow, I did not expect
Speaker 2: that reference. I did not expect you to care about
Speaker 2: this one, which is my favorite movie, you know, So
Speaker 2: could you talk a little bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was very much by design from the beginning.
Speaker 7: You know, We're we come at it as fans of
Speaker 7: the franchise and FT five had one of the best
Speaker 7: endings that felt like it wrapped up even the franchise
Speaker 7: so well. So when we heard they were making another one,
Speaker 7: our kind of primary question was why what are they.
Speaker 6: Doing here that it deserves to have another one?
Speaker 7: And we really approached it from the perspective of, let's
Speaker 7: make sure that it doesn't break anything from the previous movies,
Speaker 7: but it's adding and twisting it in a way that's
Speaker 7: new because we want the audience, especially the super fans
Speaker 7: of the franchise, to never know where a movie's going next.
Speaker 7: That's what makes you lean forward, that's what makes we
Speaker 7: think for a really great experience in the theater is
Speaker 7: I have no idea where this is going. And Final
Speaker 7: Listenation has a structure to it that is very well understood.
Speaker 7: You have an opening set piece, it's a premonition. All
Speaker 7: these people are marked for death, and it goes one
Speaker 7: by one all the way through that list, and we
Speaker 7: wanted to make sure to take that structure and then
Speaker 7: twist it and bend it in new ways that feel
Speaker 7: like they break the cannon. But then slowly, as the
Speaker 7: movie progresses, you realize it doesn't break the canon. It
Speaker 7: actually borrows on all sorts of delicious rules that we
Speaker 7: know and love, and that was really exciting to us
Speaker 7: as fans of the franchise to both kind of honor
Speaker 7: the movies that have come before it, but also offer
Speaker 7: something new.
Speaker 10: We also filled it chock full of Easter eggs for
Speaker 10: the fans. You know, every license plate, every little little
Speaker 10: note scrawled in in the book or in the maitre
Speaker 10: D's book or on the wall of the tattoo parlor,
Speaker 10: they're all just filled with Easter eggs that that you know,
Speaker 10: fans will We'll see, maybe maybe you take multiple viewings
Speaker 10: to really unpack.
Speaker 9: We're still discovering things.
Speaker 2: I was going to say because so many people who
Speaker 2: made it must and fans, so those people impost.
Speaker 9: That Easter well.
Speaker 10: And in the art department, you know, we encouraged everyone
Speaker 10: to put in Easter eggs without even telling us I
Speaker 10: love this, so that you know there could always be
Speaker 10: multiple layers that you're unpacking. And you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 10: you hinted at Bloodworth's character. Another thing that was really
Speaker 10: important for us as we were working with Tony, you
Speaker 10: know and the writers on the script, is to give
Speaker 10: him more of a backstory and more of an understanding
Speaker 10: of where blood Worth came from and why he cares
Speaker 10: so much about death, why he knows so much, why
Speaker 10: he's so focused on understanding the premonitions of all the
Speaker 10: characters in the previous movies, and to do it in
Speaker 10: a way that you know, made him more than just
Speaker 10: a mysterious mentor figure yes that comes in and gives
Speaker 10: advice and disappears. How do we really understand him more
Speaker 10: on a human level? And that was something he was
Speaker 10: really excited about. You know, he's always relished the fan
Speaker 10: theories of who blood Worth is, but also it was
Speaker 10: just so excited to kind of explore him as an
Speaker 10: individual and as a person.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a friend, a really fantastic Cora or the
Speaker 2: Good Endship and Fitzpatrick, and she loves these movies. But
Speaker 2: her one big thing has always been I want to
Speaker 2: know more about blood Worth, Like does he fit into
Speaker 2: a trope of just being someone who helps? Does he
Speaker 2: ever just say like go away, yeah please, I've had enough?
Speaker 2: And does he ever get to like have his own story?
Speaker 2: And I texted her as soon as I go out
Speaker 2: of the movie there, and I was like, you were
Speaker 2: going to love this movie, and I, like you had
Speaker 2: been absolutely love it, and I do think it's one
Speaker 2: of the coolest parts of the movie. And I would
Speaker 2: love to talk to you a little bit about that,
Speaker 2: Like what was it like to work with Tony to
Speaker 2: get to collaborate, because we also learned at the screening
Speaker 2: that his final words those are his words, right, So
Speaker 2: could you talk a little bit about getting to kind
Speaker 2: of Yeah, it was pay homage to him, but also
Speaker 2: collaborate with him.
Speaker 9: He's such an icon, he's such an honor.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he came to set and it was a really
Speaker 7: special moment for a bunch of reasons, all at the
Speaker 7: same time. He was so charming and so excited to
Speaker 7: be there and cracking jokes, and everyone was just amazed
Speaker 7: at kind of the vitality that he had despite the
Speaker 7: fact that he physically was obviously extremely weak. So we
Speaker 7: knew going into this movie when we were crafting the
Speaker 7: story that he was ill, and so all of the
Speaker 7: details of sort of his character were with that in
Speaker 7: mind and working with him very closely to figure out
Speaker 7: like we were just saying, not only do how do
Speaker 7: we give him a beginning, but how do we give
Speaker 7: him an end?
Speaker 6: How do we say goodbye to this character, and how
Speaker 6: does he want to do that?
Speaker 7: And in that moment that you were just talking about,
Speaker 7: when at the very end of that scene there was
Speaker 7: stuff we'd written in planned, but we just wanted to
Speaker 7: give him a chance to just speak from the heart
Speaker 7: because the experience we'd been having him with him that
Speaker 7: day was so meaningful and we could tell that he
Speaker 7: had so many different emotions going on, just said, what
Speaker 7: has this all been about? You know, what is life about?
Speaker 7: What is death about? What are you thinking about? Just
Speaker 7: speak to the audience, And that take that's in the
Speaker 7: film is him speaking from the heart. And you can
Speaker 7: really tell when you watch that scene that there's an
Speaker 7: icon kind of saying goodbye to the audience there and
Speaker 7: leaving us with a message of hope and beauty, which
Speaker 7: is something that we've really taken after that moment.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought it was such a special moment. It
Speaker 8: was so much fun.
Speaker 2: And also it's like kind of I love how in
Speaker 2: conversation it is with like the audience, with fans, but
Speaker 2: also it's got a dark hilarity to it because then
Speaker 2: you go on to some of the worst deaths.
Speaker 8: Like the most so it's not like denying what the
Speaker 8: films are, but it gives him that moment which is
Speaker 8: really just completely lovely.
Speaker 2: How does it feel now you've done the work, you've
Speaker 2: worked with the legends, How does it feel for the
Speaker 2: movie to almost be out there and to be a
Speaker 2: tangible thing that fans are going to see, that people
Speaker 2: are going to get to throw popcorn up in the air.
Speaker 2: You're starting to see those first responses of the audiences.
Speaker 8: How does that feel?
Speaker 10: I mean, my favorite thing is to is to hear
Speaker 10: from people who are big fans who really love the movie,
Speaker 10: you know, because because you know, it's a bit nerve
Speaker 10: wracking to make a new installment of such a beloved
Speaker 10: franchise and not know how people are going to respond
Speaker 10: to it, and to start hearing from people who saw
Speaker 10: the movie and absolutely loved it, just you know, I mean,
Speaker 10: what more can.
Speaker 9: You ask for?
Speaker 8: Yeah? How does it feel?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 6: It's a dream come true?
Speaker 7: I mean, as filmmakers, you start making movies when you're
Speaker 7: in your house with your friends running around with the
Speaker 7: camera and spring tomato sauce over them as they die horribly,
Speaker 7: and to kind of be able to bring to life
Speaker 7: a beloved franchise and kind of doing it from the
Speaker 7: perspective of a fan wanting other fans to love it.
Speaker 7: It's so much fun to see those fans now getting
Speaker 7: to enjoy it and being thankful that they get a.
Speaker 6: Little bit more of what they love. Is really really
Speaker 6: special as a filmmaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the title of my review was like final Destination.
Speaker 2: Bloodlines knows exactly what we want and gives it to us.
Speaker 4: So I think you guys deliver it on that front.
Speaker 2: Awesome when you're going back rewatching the movies, just kind
Speaker 2: of immersing yourself in the world.
Speaker 8: Was there like a moment or.
Speaker 2: A movie that kind of stood out for you more
Speaker 2: than you expected when you were revisiting from the original franchises.
Speaker 6: You know what, we.
Speaker 10: Were big fans, and we became even more super nerves
Speaker 10: just because the first thing we did when we were
Speaker 10: hired was break down every single death on a spreadsheet
Speaker 10: exactly how many omens it had, how many dominoes to
Speaker 10: the route Goldberg, you.
Speaker 9: Know how successful it was on a scale of one
Speaker 9: to ten.
Speaker 10: And we put the deaths into categories and made sure
Speaker 10: that we never repeated ourselves and all that stuff. But
Speaker 10: there were several deaths that became kind of touch points
Speaker 10: some of our favorite deaths that inspired some of the
Speaker 10: set pieces. So for example, the screw on the balance
Speaker 10: beam from FD five, which is just such a delightful
Speaker 10: exercise masterclass in suspense. You're watching a screw, the tiniest
Speaker 10: thing possible. You're watching a bunch of feet miss the screw.
Speaker 10: Nothing's happening, and you're just cringing and on the edge
Speaker 10: of your seat watching. That really was inspirational for the
Speaker 10: barbecue sying with the glass and the cup and how
Speaker 10: can we make the audience cringe but then bring that
Speaker 10: object in in an unexpected way into the roupe goldbrigs.
Speaker 10: You can't just swallow the glass, you can't just step
Speaker 10: on the screw. You have to bring it in in
Speaker 10: a way that nobody expected.
Speaker 9: So that was one.
Speaker 10: Another one was this what we call the spaghetti death
Speaker 10: and FT two, where the guy throws the spaghetti out
Speaker 10: the window. A bunch of other stuff happens, you completely
Speaker 10: forget about the spaghetti and then he at the very end,
Speaker 10: he slips on the spaghetti and that's what kills him.
Speaker 9: So that was.
Speaker 10: Inspirational for let's say the hospital death sees that comes
Speaker 10: later where you set something up and then you kind
Speaker 10: of forget about it, and then it comes in at
Speaker 10: the very end. So we definitely were inspired by a
Speaker 10: lot of the deaths that came before, but using them
Speaker 10: in new ways, you know, and uh, you know, all
Speaker 10: to keep the audience on their toes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see those breakdowns. That's incredibly fun.
Speaker 2: That's real fun.
Speaker 8: Is there a no context spoiler that you are most
Speaker 8: excited for people to see?
Speaker 6: No context spoiler for me would be the poster of
Speaker 6: FT five.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I love this. Thank you both so much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you for joining us. The movie is great
Speaker 2: and it was a total joy to talk to you guys,
Speaker 2: so thank.
Speaker 9: You so much.
Speaker 2: Next week on x ray Vision, Tuesday, we take one
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Speaker 2: to discuss season two.
Speaker 3: Of the Last of Us.
Speaker 2: Friday, we're diving deep into the action set pieces of
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning.
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