WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: It Just Takes Some Time 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.039 Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:11.600 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The it just takes some time. Addition, 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.200 as the Bengals hit Thereby with a five and four 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.239 record and find themselves one game behind the first place 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.200 Ravens in the AFC North with eight games to go 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.000 coming up. It's an in depth conversation with my friend 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.760 and colleague Jeff Butch Hobson from Bengals dot Com. 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Now, let's 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.280 get to my conversation with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:51.560 Butch Hobson, beginning with his path to Cincinnati or anybody 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.280 that's heard your Boston accent over the years knows that 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.760 you are from New England. How did you wind up 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.280 in Cincinnati covering the Bengals. I think Jerry kress Nick 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.400 was probably a big factor. Jerry I had worked with 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.240 Cherry at that Portland Press, Harrald, and he had come 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.720 out to the Cincinnati Post to cover the Reds and 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.720 that was about a year before I came out. And 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.640 it was such a great fit. The city was you know, 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:20.679 you could buy a house, two little kids, wanted another one, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.359 great place to great place to raise a family. As 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.320 it turned out, that was perfect. Wanted a pro town, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:32.320 pro city, you know, first class, all the way worked 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.800 out thirty one years ago. Couldn't ask for it worked 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.040 out any better. So I arrived in Cincinnati in November 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.560 of ninety five. So I never met Paul brown which 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.160 is a big regret of mine. Described meeting Paul and 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.040 how well did you get to know him, Hordy, He 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.799 would have liked it. He liked announcers. He the guy 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.280 I grew up with listening to in in his Red Sox. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.399 For him a sixty seven impossible dream. Ken Coleman who 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.359 actually broke in, Uh not broke in, but I think 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.720 one of his one of his his first big breakthrough 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:11.200 job was he was announcing for Paul Browns Cleveland Browns. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.280 And so that's something we had in common right away 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.680 that we talked about. We had kind of Ernie Davis 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.680 in common too. Paul traded for Ernie Davis when he 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.680 was in Cleveland, and Ernie, of course was the fabled 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.560 Heisman Trophy winner from our school Syracuse. So that was 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.960 that was obviously obvious. Andre very easy guy to talk 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.920 to You would not know that he was the man 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:41.240 that invented football. I you know, saw him on talk 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.000 to him, trying to talk to him every day because 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.680 he ran the Bengals, seeing you know, he had to 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.760 talk to Mike or Paul every day. They ran the 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.240 Bengals and they were very accessible. You know, this was 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.960 you know, Paul Brown was a guy that when he 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:58.200 professionalized football, pro football was right there with swords swallowing 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.080 and you know, broom hockey. You know, it was not 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:08.000 a popular sport. The country was ruled by boxing, college football, baseball. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.480 Paul would probably you know, I'm sure Paul got on 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.080 the horn in the nineteen forty six, nineteen forty seven 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.560 and say, hey, come on over and cover us, you know. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.080 And so he was very you know, anytime you call 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.640 him at home, he'd pick it up. He'd answered it, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.680 talk to you. I mean, it was you know, I've 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.600 told you the story many times when he was said 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.120 to Sunday of mind when it was a very steamy 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.200 practice on the sideline of Spinney Field he was at 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.680 every practice, came over to me said, Sunday, do you 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.360 mind if I tell you something? You know, a man 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.760 came down from Aunt Rushmore. Yes, he can say anything 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.560 he wants to me. And he said, I'm worried about 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.960 your posture, and he h, you know, I kind of 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.000 a little hunched over there, you know. And he gave 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.840 me a few tips. And if he came back now, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.360 he'd be a little disappointed. I've turned into Quasimodo. But 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.040 I told I told Mike Brown about it. I turned 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.320 Mike Brown about it. Later I talked him about He goes, yeah, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.000 he goes. You know, he taught he taught health at 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.520 UH at Masslin, you know, he was he was a 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.359 teacher and he taught health and he went into the 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.440 whole thing about sclosis and uh what you know, curvature 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.680 of the spine, and uh very nice. So I remember 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.880 one time I went down at nineteen ninety one draft. Uh, coach, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.480 can I take you out to lunch? We'll talk about 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.080 the draft. He goes, I don't go out to lunch, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:26.040 he said, but UH, bring your lunch and uh we'll 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.120 have it. We'll we'll eat right here in my office. Son. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.039 I He pulled out a bag lunch with, you know, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.040 a sandwich in an apple and uh I had whatever 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.720 I had, and we we talked the draft. Uh At 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.600 one thing I remember about that one is he was 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.320 he was very intrigued by a tall quarterback I believe 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.599 out of San Diego State, Dan McGuire, the younger brother 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.320 of Mac McGuire. As the draft unfolded that day. Uh 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.000 I Dan McGuire went sixteen and the Bengals were picking 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.559 I believe eighteen or nineteen. And I'm hell and yeah. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.679 So the first thing I asked him after the draft 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.719 was when the when we when the writers met with him, Coach, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.600 you had you know, you had McGuire was sitting there. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.360 He goes, yeah, he goes, that would have been very interesting, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.480 he said, if McGuire had been on the board. So 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:19.240 that was you know, uh, Mike, Mike likes his uh 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.159 he likes his quarterbacks tall. And uh so did PB. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:30.240 How did Jernst trust? I think just by right the 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.080 right what he told you and and and being uh 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.640 and and having the facts and uh I think, uh 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.120 talking to him about you know, about his pat you know, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.480 about what he accomplished, knowing that I wasn't you know, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.280 knowing that I knew, you know, knowing knowing that I 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.800 knew what I was talking about that I had known 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.680 about football from back in the day and about now, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.640 and uh, I think too, if you showed up every day. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.840 He liked that. He used to joke with the writers 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.000 about if a guy wasn't there. And this was before me, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.360 but I talked to other guys about him, and if 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.640 a guy missed today, he'd say, oh, yeah, that must 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.160 be a union off day or something, you know, kidding 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.800 the guy. He would because he would notice if you 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.280 were there or not. So I think if you put 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.640 in the I'll never forget. There was a a crisis 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.800 going on my first year, the only year that he 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.880 was alive that I covered the team. My first year 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:30.800 was the when Mike, when Sam Wish shut the locker 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.000 room to a female reporter and you know, went into 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.360 this wild kind of crazy thing about how you know, 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.080 it was not right for you know, even though it 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.880 was NFL policy and the policy of the country was, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.679 you know, equal rights. You opened up the room for everybody. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.880 All of a sudden, Sam thought he was this arbiter, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.880 a small arbiter all of a sudden, So, of course 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:54.960 was a national crisis that blew up. And I'm on 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.760 the West coast. My first you know, my third fourth 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.280 game covering the team, and I'm I could barely reeve 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.640 and I'm in a hotel in Seattle and I'm trying 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.280 to get Paul Brown and I can't. You know, he's 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.040 not in the office. And you know I got his 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.840 home number. How often you want to use that? But 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.600 you know, you got to talk to Paul about this. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.440 And he called me in the hotel. He called my 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.520 room at four in the morning my time. It was 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.400 seven in the morning his time. But he knew that 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.880 I was on. He knew the Cincinnati Post, he knew 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.840 it was an afternoon paper. He knew I had desplay 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.040 had a tact him, all right, phone rang at four 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.640 in the morning. It was he said, Hey, this is 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.840 this is Paul you know, you know, not mister Brown 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.600 or coach Brown. This is Paul. You know that's how 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.199 he wanted to be called. I said, coach. Thank god, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.800 thank god you called me. He says, well, I knew 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.240 you needed to call me. I know it's early, but 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.840 I figured you were up. So I'll I'll never for 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.160 I'll never forget him for that because he bailed out 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.839 a he bailed out you know, he bailed out a 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.280 confused scribe that morning, and I never forget one time 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.559 I had to barge in. Was I had to barge in. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.280 It was sweet in the middle of the game because 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.640 something had come up on the wire about there was 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.920 a story that has been us falling out with Paul 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.520 Brown and Sam White and Cincinnati. So my desk wanted 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:10.040 to get me in there. And he was on his 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.840 He would go to the games even though he needed oxygen. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.120 You know, that's how much he was committed to this team. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.520 And he was on his and he was on the machine, 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.719 and he uh. I barged in and he looked at 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.720 me with his eyes wide open, and I thought, my god, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.600 I've killed the man that he woted football. But no, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.000 he was fine. He said, come on down, come on down. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.600 I told him what was going on. He goes, now, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.400 that's bowl. He gave me two great quotes. I'm sure 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.640 I let a notebook with it. And it's another night. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.360 He bailed me out. I mean, you know the guy 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.000 who said the guy was terrific. Did you barge or 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.319 did you politely knock? I think I think I probably 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.320 did a little bit of both. I hope I hope 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.520 I did. I hope I did a little bit of both. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.320 You know, he obviously had such a curious mind. I 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.080 bet that's why he liked you, because you're a curious 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.480 person about many subjects. I bet you connected on the 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.760 level of two curious people. Yeah, I think. And it's 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.920 the same thing with Mike. You know, Mike is just 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.640 how to cut out of the same mold. Mike's very, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.160 very interested in what we do as writers and as broadcasters. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.520 That's how he grew up. He grew up around sports, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.440 he grew up and listening to broadcasters. He grew up 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.240 reading the papers, you know. So he was you know, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.520 he was really uh, you know, very into history and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.000 saw him I and I imagine Paul was too. But 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.800 you know, Mike and I oftentimes we would spend more 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.160 time talking about history and and and before getting it 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.319 well before or after we had get into the business 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.120 of the day. And uh, but I think you're I 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.600 think exactly right, Mike, Uh, Hordy. Mike and Paul both 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.800 both curious guys, you know, I mean they you know, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.480 they read the papers, they listened to uh, they listened 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.040 to the radio accounts in the play by play, So 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.480 it was you know, it was kind of like you know, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.200 I told Mike when he offered me the job, I said, jeez, 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.080 I said, I don't know if I want you to 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.720 be my boss. I like you as a friend. You know. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.280 He goes, well, we can still be friends, and he 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.360 was exactly what right about that? Too? Yeah. I wish 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.040 people knew the Mike Brown that we know, because he's 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.760 a great storyteller. He's obviously extremely well read on all subjects, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.320 and he's got this whole body laugh. You know, when 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.960 Dave Lappam makes him laugh, it's a whole body shake 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.360 that you can hear from like three rooms away. And 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.720 it's just it's such an enjoyable part of the job 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.760 getting to spend time with him when it's not you know, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:40.199 talking about hardcore business Bengals topics that he has to address. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.160 And I think I think that's another thing that people 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.560 people with on is he likes to laugh. He's a 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.440 warm guy, and I know the way he's treated my fan, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.480 uh he is. He has been the ultimate boss. I mean, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:01.679 if here's a guy I remember, you know, I could 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.360 call him on really to talk about anything, you know. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.640 I mean, that's uh, that's the kind of guy he is. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.000 And I know and I know he would help me 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.360 if I needed it. He has helped me if I 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.720 needed it, And uh, you know, I i'd get him 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.280 on the horn. I know, I'd get at a very 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.080 bad time, you know, whether I was with the Bengals, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.679 when I was working before the Bengals or the Inquiry, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.000 it had to be. I'm sure, I'm sure. I remember 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.320 one time Jack Brennan said he was listening in on 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.000 a phone call with I had with Mike when I 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.400 was at the Inquirer, and I was growing Mike pretty good, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.960 and Mike coughing up the phone. He said to Jack, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.480 how'd you like to go through that four times a day? 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.280 You know? And you know so, but he was always 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:41.959 very pleasant, you know, and he would tell me. I 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.040 remember one time he told me, I take take the 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.400 rest of the night off, you know. And so he 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.520 was really really a good uh really really a great 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.360 guy to work for. He had to work with when 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.120 I when I was at the Inquirer. You're visiting with 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.000 Jeff Hobson, if I'm not mistaken, you were really the 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.960 first hardcore newspaper guy to go to work for a 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:06.240 team's website. Was that hard? Yeah, it was very hard. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.480 It was very hard. It was a I talked to 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.160 a lot of people about that, and it was a 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.280 hard call because you know, I guess you kind of 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.640 fancy yourself as being independent, you know, being an independent 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.800 guy and all that, and what plus, what would people say, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.280 if you know, jees, if I go over to work there, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.960 and they're gonna say, well, he wasn't hort. He was. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.040 He was so soft on them when he worked at 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.959 The Inquirer that they hired him. But if you look 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.520 at the coverage in nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine, 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.480 I think you would have to say, I can't believe 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.560 Mike hired that guy. In fact, I think some people 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.400 in his family may have even said that he offered 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.760 me the job. But you know, it was interesting, it was, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.360 but it was easy to do. You know why it 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.520 was easy to do a hordy because I was going 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.640 to go to work for Mike. I know he would 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.760 be a All I would need is a handshake. I 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.439 didn't have to sign a deal or anything. I knew 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.559 it was word. He was as good as his word, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.000 so is mine. And it was and it was because 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.160 I know how he treated people. He treated people well, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.640 and that in the end. I think was what made 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.079 that was what made the call um. I think that, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.600 you know, it was still sports, you know, And what 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.400 was wrong with being on the other side. You know, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.640 I've been twenty years, I'd been on the other side 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.200 at newspapers. Why not get on the other side, see 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.240 how the business has run and h and I. You know, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.120 it's an exciting thing. You're twenty fourth. You know, I 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.240 could write it any time, I could post at any 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.120 moment I could. You know, that's a that's a that's 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.320 a reporter's dream, you know. So but I never forget 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.680 Mike saying, hey, look, I don't know where this thing 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.080 is going. And I told him when Mike offered me 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.560 the job, I said, you know, Mike, I don't know 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.080 a damn thing about computers. I said, I can barely 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.120 get onto my laptop. I said, my advice to you 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.000 is to get a guy fresh out of college or 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.760 a lady whatever, somebody fresh out of college. He knows 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.440 something about computers, and he goes, you know, but I 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.760 want somebody the fans trust, which tells you something when 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.240 he thinks about the fans. Because I want somebody to 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.360 fans trust, the fans know and who they'll you know, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.280 who they'll read and they'll trust. And I thought that 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.040 was very you know, it was interesting because neither of 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.080 us knew where this thing called the Internet was going. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.640 I mean, but I do, but I kind of knew 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.920 if something blew up, if it didn't blow up, But Mike, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.120 would you know, keep me around. I could do something 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.760 for the man. I felt like I could do and 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.920 that's you know, I just in the end, it was 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.160 came down to having a good relationship with Mike. And yes, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.320 he was right, he was all over it. The Internet 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.160 was going to take off. I didn't think it would. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.960 I had no I had no idea. I had no idea. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.280 But you know, Mike, I think a lot like his dad, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.600 not afraid of anything new. You know, I'm not afraid 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.160 of anything new. And I and if it hadn't been, 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.920 if it hadn't anybody but Mike, I don't know if 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.360 I would have taken the joone. I mean, the way 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.560 the newspaper industry has gone. Unfortunately, it's probably the best 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.440 decision you ever made. There's no doubt about There's no 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:06.200 because yeah, I mean that that that industry is struggling. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:12.040 And last time I looked. The NFL is is not struggling. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.120 That is accurate. Let's talk about the Hall of Fame. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.520 Every NFL city has a representative on the committee. You 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.960 are the Cincinnati rep. The first time you're in that room, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.320 was it pretty humbling to think? And I'm just a 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.320 kid who grew up loving sports in Boston, and now 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.600 I'm going to have a say on who gets to 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.440 go to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, no question, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:39.520 uh spine tingling. Actually And the first time, this is 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.800 the first time I did it was in nineteen ninety 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.560 nine and two thousand when I was at The Inquirer, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.760 and then when I took the job, I had to 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.760 give that up. But such as things have changed such 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.320 that a lot of writers we've been around a long 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.680 time are now working for teams. So they actually changed 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.600 the bye laws so I could, I could, I could 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:10.919 uh yeah, b be a voter. Yeah, uh I you know, 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.760 such as it is. But when I in my first 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.400 room in ninety nine, Will McDonald was in there, which 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.800 was a big That was that was that was my 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.280 biggest Yeah, I mean yeah, it was okay, yeah, Lawrence Taylor, sure, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.240 I'll put him in. But the fact that I was 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.960 sharing a room with Will mcdonnaugh. Was awesome to me 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.480 because McDonald was a guy. He was a giant to me, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.360 and a giant. McDonald was a He was a great guy. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.080 I mean, he was a guy. Todd Archer said it best. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.600 He didn't big time yet you know, he would call me. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:45.480 He would call me on the phone when I was 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.760 covering the Bengals and oh my god, but he was 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.560 doing his due diligence. I said, my god, why is 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.399 Will mcdonna calling me? Because you know, to us, to me, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.200 to a guy growing up in Boston, Will mcdonnaugh, Peter 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.720 Gammon's lee want for those guys are and still are 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.560 the gold standard. And that was my big throw, was 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.440 sharing a room with Will McDonald. Yeah, you're right about 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.920 him not big timing people. Because his son, Sean is 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.919 obviously one of my closer friends from going to school 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.080 with him, and I remember meeting Will and at that 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.320 point he's at the height of his fame. He's on 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.560 TV every week as an NFL insider, and he was 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:26.439 the most normal. It's even hard to describe just how 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:32.320 ordinary almost he came off. He was gay, Yeah, no, exactly. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.480 I Borge's Ron Borge' is also a great Willie's story. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:40.120 Probably the ultimate is at at an owner's meeting and 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.639 Willie was out playing tennis and he came back in 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.879 and the other writers are grinding in the lobby and 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.080 mcdonne's a big guy for one of the teams and said, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.040 you better make a call. Your coach is about to 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.000 get caned, and kept walking, you know, kept walking through him. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.520 Probably save that guy's job because it was, you know, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.640 because it was true apparently, so you know, I mean, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.440 as I'm sure it was. And uh, I remember one year, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.600 I think it was the year that herschel Walker came 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.960 out and signed with the USFL. Any football story, will 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.440 had it. I mean it was like that was the 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.639 nineteen eighty two I remember it just stuck him out. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.280 I was like a Hall of Fame year because the 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.640 USFL was coming out. I mean, he had Patriot's NFL USFL. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.879 He had it, he had the story. He was wiring 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.320 and yet and yet you'd call it slept like me 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.280 and since then, you know what I mean. So that 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.879 tells you tells you something about the guy. Yeah, I mean, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.760 Lap also describes meeting him as a high school football 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.600 player is one of the greatest thrills of his life. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.480 He's seeing Laps getting ready to go off to college 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.560 and Will shows up at one of his high school 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.359 football practices to do a story and then Lap said, 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.600 it was you know, it's like meeting a beatle. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.600 that's back when sports fighters are God. Now now I 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.480 think they're just clerks, I guess, but uh, it's it's 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:04.399 not like it was. So in twenty eighteen, you wrote 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.080 really the definitive history of the Bengals to date with 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.240 the book This Date in Bengals History. How did it 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.760 come about? Well, thank you for that. I don't know. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.600 Other guys like Chick Lugwig, they've had pretty good shots 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.080 at it too. Well, it was the fiftieth anniversary and 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.280 one of the ideas, well, an idea I had was 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.440 doing this, let's do it this day every day and 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.680 we were going to do it for maybe six months 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 until the end of the season, and I was kind 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.840 of getting into it, and you know, I was thinking, geez, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.440 you know, the more I would research it, you know, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.560 there was just some interesting you know, every day seemed 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.440 to have something, you know, it was really interesting, and 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.720 you really got to credit the guys who've covered the 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:48.160 team back when it was the guys who have covered 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.920 it at the beginning. And since I mean some great 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.760 you know, some great reporters have covered this team and 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.120 they had great nuggets. Is the great Dan Horde would say, 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.560 we're always looking for nuggets, right, always for the homework, 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.600 and these guys has had him, you know, so it 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.280 just kind of just kind of mushroom hardy. And I 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.879 got to say, you know, the Emily Parker, the director 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.639 of you know communications, she was so helpful and so 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.199 encouraging and really got it done. If it hadn't been 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.600 for her, it couldn't have got done. And uh, but 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:18.960 it was you know, we thought it was a good 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:20.399 thing for the club to get it, you know, to 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.400 get something about, you know, to get something in a book. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.159 Because I told her, I said, she's I want to 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.480 keep doing it. It was after the season. I said, 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.119 let's do the whole year. Let's do you know, the 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.560 Bengals are worthy enough three hundred and sixty five days 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.399 a year. And then I said, you know, if I 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.000 do it, I let's put it in a book after it. 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:38.720 And I thought it'd be easier to do it and 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.920 I just put everything to get but it's not you know, 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.800 like everything else. Really had no clue how how in 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.359 depth that was going to be. But Emily, uh, you know, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.159 bailed me out there too, and you know it just 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.119 kind of moreh from being a doing it this day 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.879 and Bengal Sister just putting them all together. Will you 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.000 write another book? I'd love to. I'd write the but 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.560 it might just be another compilation of I'd like to 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.080 do the best of Bengals dot Com because there has been, 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.320 believe it or not, there has been some good that 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.120 I have had time to write, some rather in depth 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.159 stuff that I kind of you know, some stuff on 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:17.640 Odell Thurman, you know, uh, Marvin Lewis when he first 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.080 got hired, you know, some of the longer, longer pieces 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.760 that I think would be worthy of maybe putting in 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.200 a book Bengals dot Com. But I think I'd also 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.040 like to work on a I mean, I would like 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.320 to work on a book. But you know how it is, hordy, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.040 you know, just getting from one day to the next, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:36.560 you know, that's that's the tough I don't know how 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.960 these guys do it, who cover it beat and how 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:41.760 they write books I mean, I just don't know how 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.879 that they are. They're they're fabulous, because I it was 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.800 just hard enough to do that book, and I hadn't 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.760 and it was written already. I can't imagine what it's 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.000 like to write a book from scratch. I'm convinced that 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.399 some people have more hours in their day than we do. 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.679 I don't know, it's it's exact, actually right. I mean 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.080 it's you know, you read these history books and it's 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.119 you know, I mean it's depressing. I mean, look at 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:08.879 what look at the work these guys did, you know, 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.280 I mean Robert Carroll and his and his and his 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.120 biography on Lyndon Johnson. I mean, that's all he must 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.679 have done. But he obviously he did other things. He mean, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.520 he had a family, he had I mean, how did 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.240 he do all that? I don't I mean the same 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.399 thing with Dob with David Hobbistan, who's my ultimate And 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.800 how did he do it? Before he passed? I mean 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:34.359 he passed, he was he was out in Stanford, California, 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.639 working on a book on y eight Tiddle when he 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.720 actually got when he actually got killed in a carrec 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.000 and you know he was still I mean, he was 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.159 still I think he was like sixty six, sixty eight, 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.520 maybe seventy, and he was still grinding it out these 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.080 I don't know, Hordy, I don't know. I don't know. 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.879 It's uh. You know what the Great Ray Oliver told me, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:52.720 the great Strength coach, one of my best friends. He 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:57.679 told me, he said, Butche never struck. He never struck 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.840 because you're always trying to. You're trying to, you're trying 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.320 to grind and go to the next thing, and there's 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:07.400 always somebody better than you, so you can't struck. It's 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:11.720 good advice. Never strike. Let's talk about this season to date, 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.120 five and four basically at the midway point. I guess 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.240 fifty three percent if you take nine out of seventeen games. 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.359 If somebody had said prior to the season, they're going 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.720 to be five and four with road wins at Baltimore 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.920 in Pittsburgh, you know, nobody should lie. Everybody would have 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.320 signed up for that. But the last two weeks have 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.320 been a huge disappointment. That takes some of the shine 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.000 off of the accomplishment. Accomplishment obviously, yeah, it does. I mean, 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.480 especially Green Bay. You know, you think about it's funny 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.359 when you look at that thing in May and then 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.639 you live it. It's completely different, you know, And I 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.639 gotta keep I gotta remember that when I write my 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.920 schedules story when it's released. You know, it's just it's 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.560 never the it's the world's completely different, you know, And 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.399 you know it's this is an interesting team, you know, 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:02.159 is this a probably, as last night proved, we're you know, 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.600 we're doing this on a Friday morning, the day after 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:11.480 the Ravens get clocked by the Dolphins. You know where 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.160 we are part of this adventure. The Bengals are part 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:15.680 of this affection. I don't know what to call it, 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.600 but anybody you know it's Pete Roselle's parody. But it's 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.680 beyond that, you know what I mean. It's uh, every 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.960 week changes. Now granted that doesn't take away what happened 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.600 with the Jets and the Browns are going to have 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.040 to be better, but you know, did this team arrive 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:36.280 in Baltimore or was it? Is this part of the process. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.880 You have a breakthrough game, but then you get bounced 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.560 in a game in games that you should win. Is 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.160 that part of the process? And I remember we talked 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.520 to each other. You look, you know, we looked at 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.160 each other after I think the Jets game and said, 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.760 when has this happened? When have they had a breakthrough 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.240 win followed by a game like that? And it's hard 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.399 to get your finger on, but I could, you know, 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.200 let's I mean, if you go back to two thousand 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.600 and three and two thousand and four, they won eight 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.040 eight both years before they found their footing in OH five? 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.159 Now is this so five? Is it O four? I 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:12.520 guess we're going to find out, but you know it's 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.680 it's OH five. They were a very accomplished team that 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.440 they could have won the Super Bowl in OH four 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.560 they were just kind of trying to find their footing 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.840 with you know, they had some bad days in great days. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.600 Is this all four or five? We'll find out. I 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.480 think we'll find out. I think this team does have. 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.680 This team's obviously future is in front of it. But 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.920 how are we in the near future? Five future? Where 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.720 are we? They're not as good as we thought they 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.720 were after Baltimore. They're not as bad as they looked 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.720 last week. I think five and four is where this 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.080 team is right now. They've got eight games left, five 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.560 at home. If they can win half of those games, 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:55.840 which seems pretty reasonable to me. You know, you've got 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:59.280 a winning season and who knows when one more than that, 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.359 and you're probably will a playoff team, which is not 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.120 out of the question. I think you're right. I think 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.120 they're five and four because the AFC is five and four, 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.760 so they're in step. To me, the thing is defense 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.200 because I think offensively, I mean, I don't know. Borrow 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.600 doesn't have to do anything for me. He's he's real, 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.280 he's a real deal. I'm not going to get excited 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.040 about the eleven interceptions. Quarterbacks throw interceptions. I get it. 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.080 It was a bad one. To ninety nine yard was 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:31.040 a bad one. But this kid's you can win a 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.240 super Bowl with this guy. But to me, it's the 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.520 defense because I think with a guy like Burrow and 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.040 a defense that's fourteen fifteen sixteen, you get a shot. 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.520 You get a shot, you know, but you can't give 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:50.479 up five bills to Mike White, you know, because your 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.320 quarterback goes out there and get your thirty one points 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.040 on the road. Those are the games you have to win, 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.920 right and I think they win most of them because 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.600 I think this defense is I think this defense is 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.080 at the very least fourteen fifteen sixteen. It's certainly it 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:08.520 certainly costs that much, you know, And I think they're 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.520 thinking the same thing. Hey, we got a quarterback that 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.480 can take us there, and we got to you know, 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.720 and at least a better than average defense that ought 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.399 to be enough, you know. And I think, you know, 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:22.400 I mean, I you know, they they've got to work 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.720 it out. But I think that I don't think the 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.560 defense is bad. Is as bad as it's been the 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.240 last two two weeks, and it better not be. But 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.440 because I think, you know, because I think they, like 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.080 I said, I think I think Borrowing Company is good enough. 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.400 Our eyes did not deceive us in the first seven 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.960 weeks when the defense played lights out. Now, admittedly they 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.200 had some games there against teams that are not offensive juggernauts, 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.959 and that helps your stats, but it wasn't flukey. There 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.000 was nothing flukey about the first seven games. And the 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.720 Cleveland game is a little bit flukey because you've got 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:56.960 a ninety nine yard pick six, You've got a drive 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.320 that started at the eight after another interception, got a 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.640 drive that started at the thirty because of a fumble. 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.640 That's how games get ugly. Yeah, So the Jets game 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.720 was a lousy performance on defense. There's no other word 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.200 to describe it. The Cleveland game to me is a 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.080 little bit flukey because of the turnovers and because you 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.760 gave up two huge plays. That's the only worried to 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.360 me about that about the Cleveland game was the sixty 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.760 yard There was a seventy yard run. They haven't done that, 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.720 and you can't do it. They've been so good, they've 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.080 been so good preventing that, and that just kind of 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:32.760 came out of nowhere. But I guess, you know, I 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.480 guess you're a log one, right, you're a loug one. 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.120 I mean I think that you know, and the big 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.120 play that you know, the sixty yard passed you can't. 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.880 Those are the two plays that bad to me. Everything 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.200 else I think, you know, I think you do put that. 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.000 I think you do put the Jets game in. Zach. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.160 Put the Jets game on the offense because you felt like, 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.280 you know, the big defense head played like you said, 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.400 the defense played so well for seven games, Hey bail 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.360 him out. And to me, you can't throw a pick 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.240 with four thirty six left in a five point lead. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.960 Whether you want to put that on the call the quarterback, 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.800 I don't know, but you know you have to come 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.479 out of that drive. If you have to come out 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.120 of that, you've got to train at least a minute 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.360 a minute thirty out of that. I don't blame the 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.160 defense for that, all right. I was on a podcast 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.400 last week with Bengals super fan and podcasters Zim who Day, 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.880 and during the course of our conversation, he put me 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.360 on the spot and asked me to name my top 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.920 five Bengals of all times. So, off the top of 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:37.880 my head, I said, Dave Lapham, easy, number one, pick YEP, 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:43.880 Anthony Munio's, Chad Johnson, A. J. Green, and Boomer Assiason, 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.280 And a week later, giving it some thought, I'm not 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.560 sure I would change. So I feel pretty good that 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.200 off the top of my head, that's what I came 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:52.960 up with as my top five. But it gave me 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:57.000 the inspiration to do some lists with you. So these 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:58.959 aren't going to be off the top of our heads. 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.880 I gave you the top advance and we're not going 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:03.520 to do the top five. We're going to do the 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.680 top three in a few different categories and we will 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.760 each give our answers. So our first category is top 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.920 three most memorable games. So these aren't necessarily favorite games, 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:21.640 biggest wins. These are most memorable games. You go first, 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:27.320 Blake Amabia, Jeff Blake's first NFL start when he almost 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:32.920 beat the Super Bowl champion Cowboys. That's one. Corey Dylan 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:37.080 going for two seventy eight against the Broncos. I mean 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.560 that was unbelievable with two past completions all day. Yeah, 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:48.360 two of fourteen. As as Dylan as I as still 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.040 in a grades. Somebody will break the record and they'll 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.000 keep breaking the record, but nobody will do what he did. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.120 That thing on twenty two carries with basically you know 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.040 automatic quarterback that we played with on the streets. Yeah, 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:04.040 and go passes is completed after the first quarter. Unbelievable. Yeah, no, right, um. 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.360 And then so that okay, those two and then I 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:10.640 tell you what the Zim game in Baltimore October eleventh, 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:16.320 o nine, when Vicky zim Zim's wife had passed tragically 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.560 after practice Thursday, and he still coached the game, and 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.640 he went down there with the team and he was 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.719 went down there and he coached the game and they 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.640 and they shackled the Ravens. I mean they beat him. 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.520 I mean they beat him at the end. It took him, 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.040 you know, they held him, They held him the fourteen 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.480 points and they had to win it on a touchdown 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.560 drive at the end and Carson Palmer from to Andre 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:44.000 Callwell with what twenty seconds left. That was unbelievable. So 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.440 those are my three. The Blake game, the DWN game, 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.880 and the Zoom game. All right, my three. And like 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.520 I said, these are memorable. These are not necessarily fond memories. 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.400 But I've got to go with the playoff loss to 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.760 the Steelers in January of twenty sixteen. For this reason, 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.080 montest Perfect made the interception and we thought the game 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.200 was over. That's the happiest I have ever been in 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.680 my life. Yea, more than my wedding day, more than 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.360 the birth of Sam Horde. For about a ninety second span, 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.400 that is literally the happiest I have ever been in 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.560 my life. And then Jeremy Hill fumbled and so much 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.600 for that, right, that's a good you know, I think 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:27.040 that moment gave rise to Elizabeth Blackburn, who just came 0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.680 to the to the Canopy crazies. I think, you know, 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.280 Elizabeth has come in in the last year. Mike's granddaughter, 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.040 Troy and Troy and Katie's daughter and had some very 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.880 really good fan engagement ideas. But I think they were 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.800 born after talking to her, I think they're born out 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.720 of those ninety seconds, because she's you know, she's Bengals 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.560 through and through. And my kids were there and they 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.840 were weeping, they were dancing and weeping any aisles, you know. 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.600 I had a great first three graph score. He that 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.560 never saw it a way to day. I did go 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.120 back the next day. I got out my Runners watch 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.279 and I timed in real time the amount of time 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:14.400 that passed between the interception and the Jeremy Hill fumble, 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:16.279 and off the top of my head, I think it 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.520 was literally ninety two seconds. So I just wanted to 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.360 know how long the happiest moment of my life lasted, 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.680 and it was ninety two seconds. Doesn't it seem like 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.200 it would have been longer than that though, interception, change 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.440 of sides, the whole thing. Doesn't it feel like that 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.560 would have been a few minutes. I guess they didn't. 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.040 I mean, I guess they didn't even go to commercial. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:41.680 I guess no commercial. Yeah, two seconds, all right? Number 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.280 two on my list, though it's it's also Cincinnati, Pittsburgh 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.960 and that would be the game two days before Christmas 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.600 in twenty twelve when the Bengals made the playoffs and 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.279 knocked the Steelers out on the same day at Hinesfield, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.840 Josh Brown with a kick with eight seconds to go. 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.920 Because to me, that game epitomizes is what I love 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.680 about pro football. It was a war Jo you know, 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:09.120 Haymakers being thrown all day and his hits and plays 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.080 on both sides. Reggie Nelson comes up with a pick, 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.359 Andy completes the past the Hey, j Josh Brown kicks 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.799 the field goal, and you know it's Christmas two days 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.719 early and Lap going through that I was remembered the 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:25.040 Lap going through the locker room, Geno Atkins, Geno Atkins, 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.759 because that was Gino was huge that day. Yeah, and 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.080 uh and you know, and that was a calling card game, 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.960 how we you know, how we talked about this year 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:38.200 Baltimore being the this team's calling card. That was the 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.640 calling card I think for the Green Balton Bengals two 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.239 thousand and eleven wasn't a fluke. Hey, they were going 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.040 back to the play. They were going back to the play. 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.560 That game put him back in the playoffs for the 0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:51.160 second spay year. Kind of like the kind of like 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:55.480 the two thousand and four Ravens game with Carson in December, 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.160 the twenty four point fourth quarter, that was the Marvin 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.239 Lewis calling card. I think, so yeah, twenty twelve, that's 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.799 that's that's a great one. And the third memorable game 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:11.080 on my list, excuse me. August of twenty eleven, Detroit 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.719 thirty four Cincinnati three. That was my first preseason game 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.439 with Lap, and I just remember being on the bus 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.360 after the game getting ready to drive to the airport 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:25.800 in Detroit to fly home. I'm like so happy. This 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.040 was fun. I know me and Lap are going to 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.120 be a good tandem together. And I'm looking around at 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.400 everybody else on the bus and everybody else has long faces. 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.799 They're like, holy cow, we're gonna be terrible this year. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.040 Dalton's not ready. We only won four games of the 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.520 year before, and I just like want to hug people 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.759 because I'm so happy. Then I'm going to be doing 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.080 an NFL teams games on the radio. And even though 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.320 they got smoked in Detroit, that was that was a 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.080 memorable night for me. Absolutely. I mean, you grew up 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.880 in the you know, you grew up, grew up right 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.239 outside Buffalo, and you know you grew up listening to 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.320 those guys, and you know you're talking into a tape recorder, 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.120 you know, and talking into a tape recorder when you 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.520 were at eight night, ten years old. Yes, you'd be 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.400 able to be able to do that. That had to be. 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:17.640 You know, who care if Sue Sue put Andy on 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:23.000 his head and I like snap his career? Correct? I was? 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.640 I think that was his first pass in a preseason 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.520 game and Dona Consue tried to kill him. Yeah, all right? 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:35.759 Our second top three list, Top three Bengals interview subjects. 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.880 Who do you have Boomer? Boomer Boomer? I would think no, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.359 you know Boomers Boomers at the top of that list. 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.719 You're talking about players or just subjects, right? Just I 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.480 mean players. I mean the guys that you either enjoyed 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:52.960 talking to the most or who gave you the best stuff. 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:59.160 Best best Bengals to interview Boomer, Willie Anderson, Andrew Whitworth. 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.800 You know those are the uh none better? I don't know. 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.720 I can't imagine there'd be anybody, there'd be three guys 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.600 better from any other franchise because those guys are those 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:12.720 guys are a gold Standard. It was interesting that William 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.359 Wick played the same position, you know, on the offensive line. Uh. 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.480 You know, when I grew I grew up in an 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.480 era where the offensive lineman was supposed to be dumb. 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.319 You know, those are the two smartest guys I've ever met, 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.799 you know. And uh and of course Boomers Boomer, I mean, 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:34.000 you know, uh, you know, Boomer Boom is another guy 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.279 that billed me out. You know. Uh, he's a guy. 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.359 And I was just talking with us to uh Steve 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.880 Survey when we were down in New York. Uh Steve Survey, 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:45.880 the great New York Post calumnist, and uh, you know whenever, 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.799 you know, he could always get the Boomer. He could 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.560 always seem to get the Boomer when he needed him. 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.040 You know, Boomer would even call him, you know, uh, 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.239 because he just knew that Servey needed him or then 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:56.600 we need him. You know, Boomer, he's got a great 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.200 feel for them. I mean, he's in the media anyway, 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.640 and he he was an intern. I I think when 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.600 he was in college he interned in the business. You know, 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.560 he wanted to be a media guy if it didn't 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.000 work out in sports. I want to say that he 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.640 interned at the same station. I think that the Oprah 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.200 Winfrey did at the same time. I want to say 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.600 in Baltimore. I believe when he was in Maryland. I've 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:21.880 got Whitworth on my list. Excuse me again, oddful, smart, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.239 totally got it, was always there when you needed him. 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:30.600 I'd argue with Andrew Whitworth. Mike Daniels makes my list now. Unfortunately, 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.759 because he's been on the practice squad this year, we 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.319 haven't really been talking to him. I did the week 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.800 before Bengals played Green Bay. That was a good saw 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.600 by the way, that that was an excellent call. I 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.960 should have done that. He was good. He was good. 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.040 I think Mike Daniels is going to be a broadcasting star. 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.080 You know, he was a good enough player that networks 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.080 will want him. You know, went to a Pro Bowl, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.200 he was on the top one hundred list a few times. 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:59.960 And he's just got great feel. He's always enthusiastic, he's 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.160 got a good sense of humor. I think Mike Daniels 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.799 has a chance to being of being a really prominent broadcaster. 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:11.920 And then my third always surprises people, Adam Jones, because 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:18.320 he is the one Bengal who is truly unfiltered incapable 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.960 of just you know, spewing cliches and doing kind of 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.959 the bull Durham interview. He just shot you straight. Wasn't 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.480 always the best thing for him to do, but it 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.319 was always fun to be on the other end because 0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.600 you never quite knew what you're going to get. Yeah, 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.719 there was some other he's He's probably at the top 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.400 of a of a bunch of guys that didn't use 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.239 a filter. And you know, you try to protect those 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.600 guys too if they go, if they overdo it, you 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.279 do try. You can't protect them nowadays. You know, back 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.480 in the day you could if you thought he kind 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:53.879 of went, if you thought, you know, I think we've 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.279 both been in that situation where boy, I'd love to 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.640 use this, but it's just going to kill the guy, right, 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.239 You know, there have been there. You know. I'll tell 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.440 you another guy who could shoot you straight two is 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.520 TJ houshman Zada. He would he would say stuff that 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.439 would kind of make it. I don't know, you sure 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.840 you wanted Harmon to read that, you know, but Tjo 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.160 was a good one you TJ would, uh, he was. 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:20.600 He was a classic unfilter as well, no question, all right, 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:28.280 how about top three underappreciated Bengals players. No, for some reason, 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.920 when I saw that, the kickers came to mind, and 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.160 and two guys came to mind, Jim Breach and Doug Pelfrey. 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.680 Jim Breech was the Super Bowl kicker, won a lot 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.799 of big games. I mean, got the record right nine 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.080 for nine and overtime over the right about that that's 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.000 just huge. I mean, every other week there's a guy 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.840 winking the goal post that uh, you know, I mean, 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.120 and this guy, this guy did it. This guy never 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.320 missed an overtime pretty good. And Pelfrey played on a 0:41:56.480 --> 0:42:00.480 very tough stretch in Bengals history in the nineties from 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.600 ninety four to like ninety six. He won a third 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.480 of their games the gun, you know, which is to me, 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.040 that's kind of you never really think. I went back 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:15.200 when I when when when McPherson, uh and Mason Crosby 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.359 had their thing in the Green Bay game. I went 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:20.640 back and talked to Pelfrey, who was who. By the way, 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:21.839 I think he's like the rest of us. He thinks 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.000 McPherson is going to be the greatest kicker in Bengals history. Yeah, 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.680 but you know, you just kind of that made me 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:28.920 think of how how good Doug had been. And I 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:31.520 so those two guys, I think lead my at least 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.919 appreciate it. And then I think, you know, probably you'd 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.640 have to go with either James Brooks or Rodney Holman 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:41.560 there the U. I mean, Holman was the best all 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.120 around tight end that's ever been here, and with you know, 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.280 with Trump, Trump, he probably be in a close second. 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:52.880 And you know, Brooks was, Brooks was, Brooks was unbelievable 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.680 for a four year stretch. I'm gonna start with Andy 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.800 for obvious reasons. You know, I'm not jesting. He was 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.839 the greatest quarterback in Bengals history. He had his deficiencies, 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.320 but he was never truly appreciated until he was on 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.160 his way out the door. While he was leading the 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.480 Bengals to five straight playoff appearances, it seemed like everybody 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.279 was always looking to try to get somebody better. And 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.920 then when it was clear that his tenure in Cincinnati 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.600 was going to end, he was loved. What a shame, 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:27.120 What a shame that he wasn't embraced when he was 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.239 at his peak. No Bengal quarterback has done what he's 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.640 done five in a row, five playoffs in a row. 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.719 I mean that's not Kenny, not Boomer, not Casson, I mean, 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.600 you know, I mean that's you know, I mean, and 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:43.239 yeah he did. He took a lot of grief. My 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.240 second one actually would be somebody that you mentioned earlier, 0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.759 Corey Dillon. I mean, as great as Corey was, he 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.200 has a Hall of Fame resume and he won't get in. 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.920 I mean you know this better than I do from 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:58.360 being on the committee because of his personality, which is 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.719 a shame. He ran for more and oj he had 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.040 two of the best games in history. As soon as 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:05.719 he was on a good team. He was the best 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.320 player on a Super Bowl team. He checks everything on 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.399 the list except for being prickly with the media. Yeah, 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.120 I think. Plus he was on bad I think he's 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.239 one of these many guys to pay the price for 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.000 being on a bad team, you know, and they just 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:24.040 don't get those the players on And I've said this 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.360 admiseum the Hall of Fame has too many good players 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.200 on great teams and not enough great players who deserved 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.120 me in from bad or mediocre teams. Dylan and Willie 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:38.800 Anderson are the centerpieces for that. I'm gonna cheat for 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:43.960 my third person, I'm gonna say Marvin because by the 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:50.000 time Marvin was let go or mutual decision, however, do 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.960 you want to phrase that he was let go, all 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.880 people could talk about was the O and seven playoff record, 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.239 and no one remembered what it was like before he 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.279 took the job in two thousand and three. I mean, 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:06.400 to consistently have the Bengals contend and the toughest division 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.680 in the NFL was a hack of an accomplican. Yeah, 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:15.480 I think you're exactly right. I mean this guy, uh, 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:19.759 he brought he brought the Bengals into the NFL and 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:25.160 of the twenty first century with his sheer will of personality. Um. 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:27.960 And that for that he should be on I mean, 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.520 if he's not on Bengals Model Rushmore, then he would 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.680 be on the He's on the Seven Blocks of Granite. 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:36.520 I mean, he's that. You know, he's a top ten 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.480 figure in franchise history, you know. Um. I think also too, 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:45.880 people don't people forget, um, he won two division titles 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.000 with two different quarterbacks and I don't know how many 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.919 you know. I mean, that's that's that's that's a pretty 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.120 good feat. Uh, And I you know it shows you 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.399 his staying power. I think his skill as a communicator 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:58.960 and getting them all, you know, and getting in and 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:03.800 finding finding players and motivating them, I think is a 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.239 And then he was a great. Uh he was. He 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.080 was a great. He was a great recruiter. He was 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:11.600 you know, he was the franchise as best recruiters. So yeah, 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.160 I think that's a that's a good pick. He did 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.560 cheat at that. You went to the coach. It's good though. 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.480 I mean, yeah, hey, look the estros they got into 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:24.040 the world. See, I'm banging on a trash can. Whatever 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:28.160 it takes. All right, our final top three, top three 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:33.160 what ifs enfranchise history. We could do thirty apiece in 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:37.120 this one, but we're each going to pick out three. Yep, 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:42.960 I go feel free, Okay. Louis Phillips catches the interception, 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:49.560 Joe Montana's interception. Uh, Jeremy Jeremy Hill doesn't fumble the ball. 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:56.680 I mean, this is easy stuff, right, Uh. And geez, 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.560 I don't know, I got I think there. I think 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.960 everything else pills and compare some of those two because 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.359 those are I don't want to say life changing, but yeah, 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:09.320 I'll say life changing. Okay, Okay, And if Shane Graham 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:13.920 makes the overtime, makes the kick at the gun against 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.520 Pittsburgh in OH six. That's a real life changer. They 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.560 go to the playoffs two years in a row, OH 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.120 seven and O eight, probably, you know, maybe don't happen. 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.239 I'd like to see, you know how that old five 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.520 team it didn't really it didn't really carry over like 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.440 they thought because they didn't make it an six seven 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.400 eight underachieved? But what if they go to the playoffs 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.560 two years in a row? So those are my thought. Three? 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.680 All right, I'm going to the way back machine. Greg 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:46.319 Cook's injury, Yeah, biggest what if enfranchise history? So Bill 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.000 Walsh famously said he was the most talented quarterback he 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.759 ever coached. Joe Montana turned out to be pretty good. 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.120 I wonder what a healthy Greg Cook and Paul Brown 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.239 if that would have been Belichick and Brady. I mean, 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.200 they wouldn't have won six Super Bowls? But would they 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.520 have won two? Would Paul have kept coaching past seventy five? 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.600 He wasn't that old? I mean, if he had the 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.480 best quarterback in the NFL, would they have been the 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:16.600 Steelers of the nineteen seventies? Oh, Mike Brown thinks so Mike. 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:20.480 Mike is pretty sure that Cook was the best you 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:24.440 ever saw. For a second one. I'm also going to 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.920 twenty fifteen, but before the Jeremy Hill fumble. I'm going 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.440 to say the Andy Dalton broken thumb because they were 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.520 the best team in the NFL to that point, or 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:35.200 at least one of them. They would have been the 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.200 number one playoff seed in the AFC at the time 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:40.600 at ten and two, he breaks his thumb. AJ mccaron 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.320 did a heck of a job down the stretch, but 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.680 they averaged seven fewer points with him at quarterback than 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.200 they did before Andy got hurt and he was in 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.359 the discussion for MVP. I think they went a home 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:55.040 playoff game against the Steelers with Andy Dalton playing instead 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:58.640 of AJ, because even though AJ led them to take 0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:00.880 the lead with less and two minutes to go, we 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.359 really struggled for the first three quarters of that game. 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.560 So the Andy Andy broken thumb is on my list. 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.160 That's a go. I think I would have like to 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.200 have played the Jets. I think I liked would have 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.879 liked to have had McCarron against the Jets that game. 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:17.080 I think didn't the Jets have if the Jets won. 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.719 I think the Steelers were up. I think the final 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:25.040 game between Steelers and Jets, I don't. I don't know 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.440 who it was between the I think the Jets had 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.680 to win. Fitz he had to win and they didn't. 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.799 That's right, I think. Yeah, So forgetting who they who, 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.680 they lost too. But that's that gave the Steelers the 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.840 final playoff spot because the Jets lost their regular season 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.279 finale would have been it would have been mccaren vers 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:46.719 Fitzy and a great Dalton backup verse, Carson backup right. 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.880 And for my third and final one who we're thinking 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:55.800 same very similarly. So you take the Billups interception drop 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.600 and then Joe Montana threw a touchdown pass on the 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.800 next play, not on the final drop with some people 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:04.560 remember inaccurately, but earlier in the fourth quarter of that game. 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:08.680 But I'll take crum Ride breaking his leg. You know, 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.920 short shortly into that Super Bowl. You've got the best 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:16.680 defensive interior alignment and franchise history right up there with Gino. 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.440 I mean, if he plays that whole game, do the 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.800 forty nine Ers have any chance of marching down the 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:25.000 field on the final drive to lead to Montana to Taylor, 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.320 probably not out of crum rides getting in Joe Montana's 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:32.120 face every other pass drop. Some would say what if 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.160 a goal ad blitz? Right? Some what if in low 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.759 bullet blitzer the last five? Or on the fortieth anniversary? 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.320 Why don't we ask what if the Bengals had scored 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.920 on the goal lines, on the goal line stand the 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.120 Niners staged in the Pontiac Do they do they pull 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.279 off one of the greatest comeback? Do they pull off 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:55.080 the Patriots Falcons come back forty years earlier? If they 0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:01.000 punch it in there? Neither one of us shows not 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.399 taking the Saints offer for the entire draft. To take 0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.200 take that one's too painful, a whole lot. If to 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.480 take a Killy Smith instead, well, you know what, and 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.319 probably it would have been better off taking a deal 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.320 because you wouldn't have taken Achille. But you know the Saints, 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:21.840 you know you got seven guys, and I think what 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:23.920 Ricky Williams right, that's what you would have got him, 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.759 that you would have got. I mean, you would have 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.960 got their whole draft, right, you know, it would have 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.080 been like seven just guys. Maybe who knows, You never know. 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.960 The Redskins did get Champ Bailey from the Redskins made 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:38.719 the trade, and they wound up with champ Bailey as 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.080 the best player of the ones they selected, though he 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.440 was obviously great, but you never know, the Bengals might 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.799 not have taken Champile. Yeah, I mean and and great. Okay, 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:48.759 you gave us your draft, but how many guys are 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.040 how many drafted guys are really going to come out 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:55.960 worth that third? Right? Right? All right? We're gonna wrap 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.680 this up with something that I typically do when I'm 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.080 doing I find facts interviews during the course of the week, 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:07.640 A few wild card categories for Jeff Hobson, who is 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:11.200 your all time favorite athlete in any sport? And why 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:18.319 Tony Knnigliero. He was a Boston kid hit a home 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:22.279 run in his first hit back at Fenway Pack. He 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.560 was nineteen years old, I believe, the youngest American League 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:30.600 home run champion. Everything. I was not mattinee Idol. He 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.680 could sing, but he did what every Boston kid wanted 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.160 to do. I mean, this guy, he was living a 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.040 dream and then he had everything, and then suddenly he 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.640 had nothing. He got hit in the eye, he almost 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.640 get killed. He missed a year, and he came back 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:49.760 opening Day nineteen sixty nine hit I think he scored 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.920 the tying run in the ninth in Baltimore and hit 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:54.719 a two run homer I think in the tenth to 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:58.040 win it, and his first came back. I mean, he 0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:02.200 came back. I mean, the guy came back in sixty nine, 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:06.360 played two more years, the eye failed him again, and 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.440 then he came back like four years later. He actually 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.839 won a roster spot with his seventy five Red Sox. 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.440 A lot of people forget that, and he finally retired 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:15.920 after he pulled a hamstring in May. But to me, 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.640 he he didn't quit, you know, I mean, he just 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:22.920 he kept coming back. I mean, the guy had everything 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.320 and then it was gone, and he was just I 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:26.880 mean to be you know, to get hit in the 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.560 face like that and then to come back. And he 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.640 hit twenty homers in his first year back, and then 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.040 he hit thirty six homers year after that after nearly 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.680 getting killed. I don't know. To me, he you know, 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.960 one of my great thrills was somehow I ended up. 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.600 I went to the first two games at the seventy 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:47.239 five playoffs, and somehow he was popped out of a 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:51.759 crowd and I said, Tony, I just saw him there, 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.600 and he goes, what And I just said, I just 0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:57.080 want to shake his hand. And that's the only time 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:58.879 I ever got the only time I ever got to see. 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.759 That's still your Twitter image the Sport illustrated cover of 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.719 his Black Eye. Yeah, that's still to me. You know, 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:10.360 the guy came back. Man, he didn't eat, didn't quit. Awesome. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:16.680 What's your all time favorite book? Ball four? No question? Uh? 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:21.359 That came out in nineteen seventy. I was eleven years old, 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:27.160 probably pretty pretty racy for eleven. Well, my grandparents gave 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:30.160 it to me too, so you know, which's amazing, which 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.920 is amazing still inscribed. I got it still inscribed, And 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.560 of course they obviously didn't realize, you know, if they 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:39.319 had seen May twenty seconds, but uh what he said 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.640 to sell Magan, you know, they wouldn't have bought. They 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.399 wouldn't have bought the book. You know. Uh, probably learned 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.439 more about the birds and the bees reading that them, 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:50.320 you know, uh than the conversation with Roy Hobson, you know, 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.560 so uh so that you know, and it was just 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.879 it really you know, it could have turned you off 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.800 I guess if you were. But it was just so. 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.040 It was funny. It was these guys were human beings, 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:04.960 you know. I mean I still remember the stories in there. 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:08.000 It was so and actually it was it was really 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.600 I mean it was Bouten wrote the book. Jim Boughten, obviously, 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:12.920 but it was Jim Boughten talking in the tape machine 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.400 with a great insight. But it was Leonard Scheckter who 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.880 the editor, who wrote it and put it together and genius, 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.640 you know. But yeah, no, no, I mean I still 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:26.440 remember the anecdotes, or still sit with me today. I 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:30.960 remember talking to John Kennedy was a character. I mean, 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:32.640 he was in that book. He was a suit. He 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:36.319 was a played for the Pilots. Later became super sub 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.680 with the Red Sox in the early seventies. Became a 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.359 scout for the Red Sox. And I was working in May, 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:42.800 and I was working in May and I was a 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.600 sports columnist. He came a scout a game. So we 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.440 got to talking and chatting with him on did your 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:54.840 Greeny kick in yet? You know, you know, John Kennedy 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.719 talk to me for the rest of the later left 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:05.320 in that inning at least, probably not a fond memory 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.239 for him having that exposed in the book. But if 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:09.600 you go back and you look at ball far, I 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.080 think it was John Kennedy said, Hey, my Greeny hadn't 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:14.320 kicked in yet or something. I can still remember this stuff. 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:19.160 You know that book. Did that book influential decision to 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:24.040 get into this business, probably one of them. But I 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.520 think the biggest influence was just waking up every day 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:31.080 and reading the reading the Boston papers. You know, my 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:33.920 I you know, we had to sneak in the Boston 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.160 Herald at the time when I was coming of age, 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:39.800 you know, eight nineteen years old. The Herald had the 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:43.160 best sports section the Boston Globe. But the Boston Globe 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:46.680 yet over had yet to overtake them with the young 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:50.600 guns of McDonough and Gammons and month Field, so they 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:52.600 had they still had Tim Morgan and guys like that 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.760 or Bill Listen, you know, the Herald did, but we couldn't. 0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:57.840 My father and I had to sneak in the Herald 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:01.760 because there was a publican paper that had backed Nixon, 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.960 and my mother didn't want it in the house, so 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:06.640 we had to we had to seek in the Herald 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.600 sports section. The Globe was fine. We had what we 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:11.880 had both the Morning Globe and the Evening Globe. So 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.279 I was able to that. I think that well, flip 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.360 didn't hurt, But it was the newspapers, the Boston newspapers. 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.440 They got me in all right. Last category for a 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:27.680 Butch Hobson. If you can meet anybody in history, athlete, actor, statesman, 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.600 whoever it might be, who would that person be, Well, 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:34.280 I'm not going to be able to talk by Jackson Common, 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.680 who went with Leon L. Da Vinci. That was that 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:41.200 was very impressive there what I had. I had to 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.560 struggle there, you know, Hordy. But I came down with 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:49.680 John Lewis closely eked out John Kennedy. My ultimate would 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:52.200 be if I could have a coffee with John Lewis 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.560 and Jack Kennedy would be my ultimate. But if I 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.600 if it's gonna be one, it's gonna be John Lewis, 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:01.800 the late congressman from Georgia, who was such a who 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:05.000 was a freedom writer and it was such a huge 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:08.280 factor in the civil rights movement. I mean, this guy 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:12.920 literally gave his gave his blood on the bridge at 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:14.880 Edmund Pettis, And I guess that's something that I would 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:18.080 That's another story I would put in my next book. 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:21.480 I would hope would be Michael Johnson going back to Selma, Alabama, 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.400 across the bridge with Barack Obama. That's pretty good. But 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.440 Lewis was in on that too, and on that, you know, 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:30.400 on that, I think it was the It would have 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.960 been the fiftieth I guess in twenty fifteen of the March. 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:36.120 But yeah, John Lewis, I mean, he was a guy. 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.360 He grew up a poor in Alabama, and he would 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:41.160 he wanted to be a preacher, and he would preach 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.160 to the chickens in the in the farmhouse, you know, 0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:46.240 and and he rose to become you know, he was 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.800 one of the speakers in the match out Washington, and 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.120 it was such a vaulatile speech that Martin Luther King 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:54.200 Junior had to pull him aside at the moment the 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.080 Wink Memorial and had to go had to edit his 0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:58.840 speech there and take out what he thought was a 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.200 little bit in flam to. So, yeah, I'd like to 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.680 I'd like to talk to John Lewis about that. What 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.000 exactly the doctor King and he talked about in the 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:11.520 moments before he stepped to the left turn in the March. Yeah, 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:15.520 that's John Lewis, my guy. Yeah, it's a great, great selection, 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:19.320 really good stuff. This has been fun, but I really 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:24.360 appreciate It's no Leonardo division. But leave it to Horny 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.080 to get I'll tell you, I'm glad you're here. I'm glad. 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:30.080 I'm glad you appear on the website because you're so 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.080 good at what you do. You make me compete with you. 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:34.360 I get I get mad when I see you have 0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:36.280 a guy that I should have had, or a topic 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.760 I should have had. You're one of the best. I'm 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:40.520 glad you're here because you keep me, you keep me, 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.880 you keep me going. I'm trying to beat you. Well, 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:47.920 we're all on the same team. And I appreciate the 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.240 fact that you are so competitive that you want to 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:52.479 be pushed every day. I think that's a wonderful trait 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:55.720 we share. That competition is one of the best things 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:59.240 about this job. The desire try to have something first 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:02.520 or ba every day is one of the things that 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:07.080 makes us so much fun. Honestly, I've been in this 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.840 thing for forty years and one of the best things 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.360 about it was I met you, and I can call 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.520 my friend. And I mean that from one of my 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:18.120 heart right there with you, and sometime we'll do a 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.439 podcast about the night we spent together in a minor 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.280 league broadcasting booth. I think that's one. I think that 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.480 the one, and we should get Brad Pitt in there too, 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.400 in the role of Billy Bean. Yeah. I still don't 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:36.160 know what it was. You are off the hot seat. 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.560 Have a great weekend. I will see you in Paul 1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:41.640 Brown Stadium next week. Hort. I know you don't have 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:43.520 a Bengals call, but I always like to tell you 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.800 have a good call with the Bearcatt Hi. Thanks to 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:48.720 Jeff Hobson Man. That's going to do it. 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