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Speaker 1: as the Bengals hit Thereby with a five and four

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Speaker 1: coming up. It's an in depth conversation with my friend

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Speaker 1: and colleague Jeff Butch Hobson from Bengals dot Com. In

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Speaker 1: addition to talking about this year's team, will discuss his

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Speaker 1: get to my conversation with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff

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Speaker 1: Butch Hobson, beginning with his path to Cincinnati or anybody

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Speaker 1: that's heard your Boston accent over the years knows that

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Speaker 1: you are from New England. How did you wind up

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati covering the Bengals. I think Jerry kress Nick

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Speaker 1: was probably a big factor. Jerry I had worked with

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Speaker 1: Cherry at that Portland Press, Harrald, and he had come

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Speaker 1: that was about a year before I came out. And

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Speaker 1: it was such a great fit. The city was you know,

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Speaker 1: great place to great place to raise a family. As

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Speaker 1: it turned out, that was perfect. Wanted a pro town,

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Speaker 1: out any better. So I arrived in Cincinnati in November

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Speaker 1: of ninety five. So I never met Paul brown which

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Speaker 1: is a big regret of mine. Described meeting Paul and

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Speaker 1: how well did you get to know him, Hordy, He

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Speaker 1: would have liked it. He liked announcers. He the guy

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Speaker 1: For him a sixty seven impossible dream. Ken Coleman who

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Speaker 1: And so that's something we had in common right away

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget him for that because he bailed out

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Speaker 1: You know, he obviously had such a curious mind. I

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Speaker 1: That's how he grew up. He grew up around sports,

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Speaker 1: it might just be another compilation of I'd like to

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Speaker 1: do the best of Bengals dot Com because there has been,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, there has been some good that

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Speaker 1: I have had time to write, some rather in depth

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Speaker 1: stuff that I kind of you know, some stuff on

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Speaker 1: Odell Thurman, you know, uh, Marvin Lewis when he first

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Speaker 1: that I think would be worthy of maybe putting in

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Speaker 1: a book Bengals dot Com. But I think I'd also

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Speaker 1: like to work on a I mean, I would like

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Speaker 1: to work on a book. But you know how it is, hordy,

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Speaker 1: you know, just getting from one day to the next,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the tough I don't know how

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Speaker 1: these guys do it, who cover it beat and how

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Speaker 1: they write books I mean, I just don't know how

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Speaker 1: that they are. They're they're fabulous, because I it was

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Speaker 1: just hard enough to do that book, and I hadn't

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Speaker 1: and it was written already. I can't imagine what it's

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Speaker 1: like to write a book from scratch. I'm convinced that

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Speaker 1: some people have more hours in their day than we do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's exact, actually right. I mean

447
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Speaker 1: it's you know, you read these history books and it's

448
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's depressing. I mean, look at

449
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Speaker 1: what look at the work these guys did, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean Robert Carroll and his and his and his

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Speaker 1: biography on Lyndon Johnson. I mean, that's all he must

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Speaker 1: have done. But he obviously he did other things. He mean,

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Speaker 1: he had a family, he had I mean, how did

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Speaker 1: he do all that? I don't I mean the same

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Speaker 1: thing with Dob with David Hobbistan, who's my ultimate And

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Speaker 1: how did he do it? Before he passed? I mean

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Speaker 1: he passed, he was he was out in Stanford, California,

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Speaker 1: working on a book on y eight Tiddle when he

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Speaker 1: actually got when he actually got killed in a carrec

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Speaker 1: and you know he was still I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: still I think he was like sixty six, sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: maybe seventy, and he was still grinding it out these

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Hordy, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's uh. You know what the Great Ray Oliver told me,

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Speaker 1: the great Strength coach, one of my best friends. He

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Speaker 1: told me, he said, Butche never struck. He never struck

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Speaker 1: because you're always trying to. You're trying to, you're trying

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Speaker 1: to grind and go to the next thing, and there's

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Speaker 1: always somebody better than you, so you can't struck. It's

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Speaker 1: good advice. Never strike. Let's talk about this season to date,

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Speaker 1: five and four basically at the midway point. I guess

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Speaker 1: fifty three percent if you take nine out of seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: If somebody had said prior to the season, they're going

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Speaker 1: to be five and four with road wins at Baltimore

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, you know, nobody should lie. Everybody would have

476
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Speaker 1: signed up for that. But the last two weeks have

477
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Speaker 1: been a huge disappointment. That takes some of the shine

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Speaker 1: off of the accomplishment. Accomplishment obviously, yeah, it does. I mean,

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Speaker 1: especially Green Bay. You know, you think about it's funny

480
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Speaker 1: when you look at that thing in May and then

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Speaker 1: you live it. It's completely different, you know, And I

482
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Speaker 1: gotta keep I gotta remember that when I write my

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Speaker 1: schedules story when it's released. You know, it's just it's

484
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Speaker 1: never the it's the world's completely different, you know, And

485
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Speaker 1: you know it's this is an interesting team, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: is this a probably, as last night proved, we're you know,

487
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Speaker 1: we're doing this on a Friday morning, the day after

488
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Speaker 1: the Ravens get clocked by the Dolphins. You know where

489
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Speaker 1: we are part of this adventure. The Bengals are part

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Speaker 1: of this affection. I don't know what to call it,

491
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Speaker 1: but anybody you know it's Pete Roselle's parody. But it's

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Speaker 1: beyond that, you know what I mean. It's uh, every

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Speaker 1: week changes. Now granted that doesn't take away what happened

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Speaker 1: with the Jets and the Browns are going to have

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Speaker 1: to be better, but you know, did this team arrive

496
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Speaker 1: in Baltimore or was it? Is this part of the process.

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Speaker 1: You have a breakthrough game, but then you get bounced

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Speaker 1: in a game in games that you should win. Is

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Speaker 1: that part of the process? And I remember we talked

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Speaker 1: to each other. You look, you know, we looked at

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Speaker 1: each other after I think the Jets game and said,

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Speaker 1: when has this happened? When have they had a breakthrough

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Speaker 1: win followed by a game like that? And it's hard

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Speaker 1: to get your finger on, but I could, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's I mean, if you go back to two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three and two thousand and four, they won eight

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Speaker 1: eight both years before they found their footing in OH five?

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Speaker 1: Now is this so five? Is it O four? I

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Speaker 1: guess we're going to find out, but you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's OH five. They were a very accomplished team that

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Speaker 1: they could have won the Super Bowl in OH four

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Speaker 1: they were just kind of trying to find their footing

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Speaker 1: with you know, they had some bad days in great days.

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Speaker 1: Is this all four or five? We'll find out. I

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Speaker 1: think we'll find out. I think this team does have.

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Speaker 1: This team's obviously future is in front of it. But

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Speaker 1: how are we in the near future? Five future? Where

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Speaker 1: are we? They're not as good as we thought they

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Speaker 1: were after Baltimore. They're not as bad as they looked

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Speaker 1: last week. I think five and four is where this

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Speaker 1: team is right now. They've got eight games left, five

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Speaker 1: at home. If they can win half of those games,

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Speaker 1: which seems pretty reasonable to me. You know, you've got

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Speaker 1: a winning season and who knows when one more than that,

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Speaker 1: and you're probably will a playoff team, which is not

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Speaker 1: out of the question. I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 1: they're five and four because the AFC is five and four,

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Speaker 1: so they're in step. To me, the thing is defense

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Speaker 1: because I think offensively, I mean, I don't know. Borrow

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to do anything for me. He's he's real,

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Speaker 1: he's a real deal. I'm not going to get excited

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Speaker 1: about the eleven interceptions. Quarterbacks throw interceptions. I get it.

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Speaker 1: It was a bad one. To ninety nine yard was

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Speaker 1: a bad one. But this kid's you can win a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl with this guy. But to me, it's the

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Speaker 1: defense because I think with a guy like Burrow and

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Speaker 1: a defense that's fourteen fifteen sixteen, you get a shot.

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Speaker 1: You get a shot, you know, but you can't give

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Speaker 1: up five bills to Mike White, you know, because your

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Speaker 1: quarterback goes out there and get your thirty one points

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Speaker 1: on the road. Those are the games you have to win,

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Speaker 1: right and I think they win most of them because

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Speaker 1: I think this defense is I think this defense is

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Speaker 1: at the very least fourteen fifteen sixteen. It's certainly it

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Speaker 1: certainly costs that much, you know, And I think they're

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Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. Hey, we got a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: can take us there, and we got to you know,

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Speaker 1: and at least a better than average defense that ought

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Speaker 1: to be enough, you know. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, they they've got to work

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Speaker 1: it out. But I think that I don't think the

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Speaker 1: defense is bad. Is as bad as it's been the

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Speaker 1: last two two weeks, and it better not be. But

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Speaker 1: because I think, you know, because I think they, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I think I think Borrowing Company is good enough.

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Speaker 1: Our eyes did not deceive us in the first seven

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Speaker 1: weeks when the defense played lights out. Now, admittedly they

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Speaker 1: had some games there against teams that are not offensive juggernauts,

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Speaker 1: and that helps your stats, but it wasn't flukey. There

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Speaker 1: was nothing flukey about the first seven games. And the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland game is a little bit flukey because you've got

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Speaker 1: a ninety nine yard pick six, You've got a drive

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Speaker 1: that started at the eight after another interception, got a

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Speaker 1: drive that started at the thirty because of a fumble.

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Speaker 1: That's how games get ugly. Yeah, So the Jets game

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Speaker 1: was a lousy performance on defense. There's no other word

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Speaker 1: to describe it. The Cleveland game to me is a

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Speaker 1: little bit flukey because of the turnovers and because you

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Speaker 1: gave up two huge plays. That's the only worried to

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Speaker 1: me about that about the Cleveland game was the sixty

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Speaker 1: yard There was a seventy yard run. They haven't done that,

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Speaker 1: and you can't do it. They've been so good, they've

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Speaker 1: been so good preventing that, and that just kind of

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Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. But I guess, you know, I

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Speaker 1: guess you're a log one, right, you're a loug one.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that you know, and the big

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Speaker 1: play that you know, the sixty yard passed you can't.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two plays that bad to me. Everything

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Speaker 1: else I think, you know, I think you do put that.

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Speaker 1: I think you do put the Jets game in. Zach.

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Speaker 1: Put the Jets game on the offense because you felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the big defense head played like you said,

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Speaker 1: the defense played so well for seven games, Hey bail

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Speaker 1: him out. And to me, you can't throw a pick

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Speaker 1: with four thirty six left in a five point lead.

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Speaker 1: Whether you want to put that on the call the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know you have to come

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Speaker 1: out of that drive. If you have to come out

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Speaker 1: of that, you've got to train at least a minute

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Speaker 1: a minute thirty out of that. I don't blame the

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Speaker 1: defense for that, all right. I was on a podcast

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Speaker 1: last week with Bengals super fan and podcasters Zim who Day,

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Speaker 1: and during the course of our conversation, he put me

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Speaker 1: on the spot and asked me to name my top

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Speaker 1: five Bengals of all times. So, off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head, I said, Dave Lapham, easy, number one, pick YEP,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Munio's, Chad Johnson, A. J. Green, and Boomer Assiason,

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Speaker 1: And a week later, giving it some thought, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure I would change. So I feel pretty good that

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head, that's what I came

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Speaker 1: up with as my top five. But it gave me

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Speaker 1: the inspiration to do some lists with you. So these

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Speaker 1: aren't going to be off the top of our heads.

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Speaker 1: I gave you the top advance and we're not going

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Speaker 1: to do the top five. We're going to do the

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Speaker 1: top three in a few different categories and we will

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Speaker 1: each give our answers. So our first category is top

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Speaker 1: three most memorable games. So these aren't necessarily favorite games,

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Speaker 1: biggest wins. These are most memorable games. You go first,

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Speaker 1: Blake Amabia, Jeff Blake's first NFL start when he almost

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Speaker 1: beat the Super Bowl champion Cowboys. That's one. Corey Dylan

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Speaker 1: going for two seventy eight against the Broncos. I mean

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Speaker 1: that was unbelievable with two past completions all day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two of fourteen. As as Dylan as I as still

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Speaker 1: in a grades. Somebody will break the record and they'll

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Speaker 1: keep breaking the record, but nobody will do what he did.

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Speaker 1: That thing on twenty two carries with basically you know

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Speaker 1: automatic quarterback that we played with on the streets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and go passes is completed after the first quarter. Unbelievable. Yeah, no, right, um.

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Speaker 1: And then so that okay, those two and then I

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Speaker 1: tell you what the Zim game in Baltimore October eleventh,

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Speaker 1: o nine, when Vicky zim Zim's wife had passed tragically

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Speaker 1: after practice Thursday, and he still coached the game, and

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Speaker 1: he went down there with the team and he was

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Speaker 1: went down there and he coached the game and they

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Speaker 1: and they shackled the Ravens. I mean they beat him.

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Speaker 1: I mean they beat him at the end. It took him,

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Speaker 1: you know, they held him, They held him the fourteen

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Speaker 1: points and they had to win it on a touchdown

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Speaker 1: drive at the end and Carson Palmer from to Andre

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Speaker 1: Callwell with what twenty seconds left. That was unbelievable. So

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Speaker 1: those are my three. The Blake game, the DWN game,

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Speaker 1: and the Zoom game. All right, my three. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, these are memorable. These are not necessarily fond memories.

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Speaker 1: But I've got to go with the playoff loss to

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Speaker 1: the Steelers in January of twenty sixteen. For this reason,

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Speaker 1: montest Perfect made the interception and we thought the game

638
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: was over. That's the happiest I have ever been in

639
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: my life. Yea, more than my wedding day, more than

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: the birth of Sam Horde. For about a ninety second span,

641
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: that is literally the happiest I have ever been in

642
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: my life. And then Jeremy Hill fumbled and so much

643
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: for that, right, that's a good you know, I think

644
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: that moment gave rise to Elizabeth Blackburn, who just came

645
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: to the to the Canopy crazies. I think, you know,

646
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Elizabeth has come in in the last year. Mike's granddaughter,

647
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Troy and Troy and Katie's daughter and had some very

648
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: really good fan engagement ideas. But I think they were

649
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: born after talking to her, I think they're born out

650
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: of those ninety seconds, because she's you know, she's Bengals

651
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: through and through. And my kids were there and they

652
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: were weeping, they were dancing and weeping any aisles, you know.

653
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I had a great first three graph score. He that

654
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: never saw it a way to day. I did go

655
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: back the next day. I got out my Runners watch

656
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: and I timed in real time the amount of time

657
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: that passed between the interception and the Jeremy Hill fumble,

658
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: and off the top of my head, I think it

659
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: was literally ninety two seconds. So I just wanted to

660
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Speaker 1: know how long the happiest moment of my life lasted,

661
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and it was ninety two seconds. Doesn't it seem like

662
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: it would have been longer than that though, interception, change

663
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: of sides, the whole thing. Doesn't it feel like that

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: would have been a few minutes. I guess they didn't.

665
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they didn't even go to commercial.

666
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: I guess no commercial. Yeah, two seconds, all right? Number

667
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: two on my list, though it's it's also Cincinnati, Pittsburgh

668
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: and that would be the game two days before Christmas

669
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve when the Bengals made the playoffs and

670
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: knocked the Steelers out on the same day at Hinesfield,

671
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Josh Brown with a kick with eight seconds to go.

672
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: Because to me, that game epitomizes is what I love

673
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: about pro football. It was a war Jo you know,

674
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Haymakers being thrown all day and his hits and plays

675
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: on both sides. Reggie Nelson comes up with a pick,

676
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: Andy completes the past the Hey, j Josh Brown kicks

677
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: the field goal, and you know it's Christmas two days

678
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: early and Lap going through that I was remembered the

679
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Lap going through the locker room, Geno Atkins, Geno Atkins,

680
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: because that was Gino was huge that day. Yeah, and

681
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: uh and you know, and that was a calling card game,

682
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: how we you know, how we talked about this year

683
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Baltimore being the this team's calling card. That was the

684
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: calling card I think for the Green Balton Bengals two

685
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven wasn't a fluke. Hey, they were going

686
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: back to the play. They were going back to the play.

687
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: That game put him back in the playoffs for the

688
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: second spay year. Kind of like the kind of like

689
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: the two thousand and four Ravens game with Carson in December,

690
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: the twenty four point fourth quarter, that was the Marvin

691
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Lewis calling card. I think, so yeah, twenty twelve, that's

692
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: that's that's a great one. And the third memorable game

693
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: on my list, excuse me. August of twenty eleven, Detroit

694
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: thirty four Cincinnati three. That was my first preseason game

695
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: with Lap, and I just remember being on the bus

696
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: after the game getting ready to drive to the airport

697
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: in Detroit to fly home. I'm like so happy. This

698
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: was fun. I know me and Lap are going to

699
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: be a good tandem together. And I'm looking around at

700
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: everybody else on the bus and everybody else has long faces.

701
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: They're like, holy cow, we're gonna be terrible this year.

702
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Dalton's not ready. We only won four games of the

703
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: year before, and I just like want to hug people

704
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: because I'm so happy. Then I'm going to be doing

705
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: an NFL teams games on the radio. And even though

706
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: they got smoked in Detroit, that was that was a

707
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: memorable night for me. Absolutely. I mean, you grew up

708
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: in the you know, you grew up, grew up right

709
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: outside Buffalo, and you know you grew up listening to

710
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: those guys, and you know you're talking into a tape recorder,

711
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and talking into a tape recorder when you

712
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: were at eight night, ten years old. Yes, you'd be

713
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: able to be able to do that. That had to be.

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00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, who care if Sue Sue put Andy on

715
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: his head and I like snap his career? Correct? I was?

716
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I think that was his first pass in a preseason

717
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: game and Dona Consue tried to kill him. Yeah, all right?

718
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: Our second top three list, Top three Bengals interview subjects.

719
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: Who do you have Boomer? Boomer Boomer? I would think no,

720
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: you know Boomers Boomers at the top of that list.

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00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: You're talking about players or just subjects, right? Just I

722
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: mean players. I mean the guys that you either enjoyed

723
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: talking to the most or who gave you the best stuff.

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00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Best best Bengals to interview Boomer, Willie Anderson, Andrew Whitworth.

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00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: You know those are the uh none better? I don't know.

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00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there'd be anybody, there'd be three guys

727
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: better from any other franchise because those guys are those

728
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: guys are a gold Standard. It was interesting that William

729
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: Wick played the same position, you know, on the offensive line. Uh.

730
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, when I grew I grew up in an

731
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: era where the offensive lineman was supposed to be dumb.

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: You know, those are the two smartest guys I've ever met,

733
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: you know. And uh and of course Boomers Boomer, I mean,

734
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, Boomer Boom is another guy

735
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: that billed me out. You know. Uh, he's a guy.

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00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: And I was just talking with us to uh Steve

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00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: Survey when we were down in New York. Uh Steve Survey,

738
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: the great New York Post calumnist, and uh, you know whenever,

739
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, he could always get the Boomer. He could

740
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: always seem to get the Boomer when he needed him.

741
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, Boomer would even call him, you know, uh,

742
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: because he just knew that Servey needed him or then

743
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: we need him. You know, Boomer, he's got a great

744
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: feel for them. I mean, he's in the media anyway,

745
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: and he he was an intern. I I think when

746
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: he was in college he interned in the business. You know,

747
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a media guy if it didn't

748
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: work out in sports. I want to say that he

749
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: interned at the same station. I think that the Oprah

750
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Winfrey did at the same time. I want to say

751
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I believe when he was in Maryland. I've

752
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: got Whitworth on my list. Excuse me again, oddful, smart,

753
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: totally got it, was always there when you needed him.

754
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: I'd argue with Andrew Whitworth. Mike Daniels makes my list now. Unfortunately,

755
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: because he's been on the practice squad this year, we

756
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: haven't really been talking to him. I did the week

757
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: before Bengals played Green Bay. That was a good saw

758
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: by the way, that that was an excellent call. I

759
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: should have done that. He was good. He was good.

760
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: I think Mike Daniels is going to be a broadcasting star.

761
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, he was a good enough player that networks

762
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: will want him. You know, went to a Pro Bowl,

763
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: he was on the top one hundred list a few times.

764
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: And he's just got great feel. He's always enthusiastic, he's

765
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: got a good sense of humor. I think Mike Daniels

766
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: has a chance to being of being a really prominent broadcaster.

767
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: And then my third always surprises people, Adam Jones, because

768
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: he is the one Bengal who is truly unfiltered incapable

769
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: of just you know, spewing cliches and doing kind of

770
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: the bull Durham interview. He just shot you straight. Wasn't

771
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: always the best thing for him to do, but it

772
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: was always fun to be on the other end because

773
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: you never quite knew what you're going to get. Yeah,

774
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: there was some other he's He's probably at the top

775
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: of a of a bunch of guys that didn't use

776
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: a filter. And you know, you try to protect those

777
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: guys too if they go, if they overdo it, you

778
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: do try. You can't protect them nowadays. You know, back

779
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: in the day you could if you thought he kind

780
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: of went, if you thought, you know, I think we've

781
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: both been in that situation where boy, I'd love to

782
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: use this, but it's just going to kill the guy, right,

783
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: You know, there have been there. You know. I'll tell

784
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: you another guy who could shoot you straight two is

785
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: TJ houshman Zada. He would he would say stuff that

786
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: would kind of make it. I don't know, you sure

787
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: you wanted Harmon to read that, you know, but Tjo

788
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: was a good one you TJ would, uh, he was.

789
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: He was a classic unfilter as well, no question, all right,

790
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: how about top three underappreciated Bengals players. No, for some reason,

791
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: when I saw that, the kickers came to mind, and

792
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: and two guys came to mind, Jim Breach and Doug Pelfrey.

793
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: Jim Breech was the Super Bowl kicker, won a lot

794
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: of big games. I mean, got the record right nine

795
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: for nine and overtime over the right about that that's

796
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: just huge. I mean, every other week there's a guy

797
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: winking the goal post that uh, you know, I mean,

798
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: and this guy, this guy did it. This guy never

799
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: missed an overtime pretty good. And Pelfrey played on a

800
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: very tough stretch in Bengals history in the nineties from

801
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: ninety four to like ninety six. He won a third

802
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: of their games the gun, you know, which is to me,

803
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of you never really think. I went back

804
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: when I when when when McPherson, uh and Mason Crosby

805
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: had their thing in the Green Bay game. I went

806
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: back and talked to Pelfrey, who was who. By the way,

807
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I think he's like the rest of us. He thinks

808
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: McPherson is going to be the greatest kicker in Bengals history. Yeah,

809
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: but you know, you just kind of that made me

810
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: think of how how good Doug had been. And I

811
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: so those two guys, I think lead my at least

812
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And then I think, you know, probably you'd

813
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: have to go with either James Brooks or Rodney Holman

814
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: there the U. I mean, Holman was the best all

815
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: around tight end that's ever been here, and with you know,

816
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: with Trump, Trump, he probably be in a close second.

817
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: And you know, Brooks was, Brooks was, Brooks was unbelievable

818
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: for a four year stretch. I'm gonna start with Andy

819
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. You know, I'm not jesting. He was

820
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback in Bengals history. He had his deficiencies,

821
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: but he was never truly appreciated until he was on

822
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: his way out the door. While he was leading the

823
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: Bengals to five straight playoff appearances, it seemed like everybody

824
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: was always looking to try to get somebody better. And

825
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: then when it was clear that his tenure in Cincinnati

826
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: was going to end, he was loved. What a shame,

827
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: What a shame that he wasn't embraced when he was

828
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: at his peak. No Bengal quarterback has done what he's

829
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: done five in a row, five playoffs in a row.

830
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's not Kenny, not Boomer, not Casson, I mean,

831
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's you know, I mean, and

832
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: yeah he did. He took a lot of grief. My

833
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: second one actually would be somebody that you mentioned earlier,

834
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Corey Dillon. I mean, as great as Corey was, he

835
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: has a Hall of Fame resume and he won't get in.

836
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean you know this better than I do from

837
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: being on the committee because of his personality, which is

838
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: a shame. He ran for more and oj he had

839
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: two of the best games in history. As soon as

840
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: he was on a good team. He was the best

841
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: player on a Super Bowl team. He checks everything on

842
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: the list except for being prickly with the media. Yeah,

843
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I think. Plus he was on bad I think he's

844
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: one of these many guys to pay the price for

845
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: being on a bad team, you know, and they just

846
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: don't get those the players on And I've said this

847
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: admiseum the Hall of Fame has too many good players

848
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: on great teams and not enough great players who deserved

849
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: me in from bad or mediocre teams. Dylan and Willie

850
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: Anderson are the centerpieces for that. I'm gonna cheat for

851
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: my third person, I'm gonna say Marvin because by the

852
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: time Marvin was let go or mutual decision, however, do

853
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: you want to phrase that he was let go, all

854
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: people could talk about was the O and seven playoff record,

855
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: and no one remembered what it was like before he

856
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: took the job in two thousand and three. I mean,

857
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: to consistently have the Bengals contend and the toughest division

858
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL was a hack of an accomplican. Yeah,

859
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. I mean this guy, uh,

860
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: he brought he brought the Bengals into the NFL and

861
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: of the twenty first century with his sheer will of personality. Um.

862
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: And that for that he should be on I mean,

863
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: if he's not on Bengals Model Rushmore, then he would

864
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: be on the He's on the Seven Blocks of Granite.

865
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that. You know, he's a top ten

866
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: figure in franchise history, you know. Um. I think also too,

867
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: people don't people forget, um, he won two division titles

868
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: with two different quarterbacks and I don't know how many

869
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's that's that's that's a pretty

870
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: good feat. Uh, And I you know it shows you

871
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: his staying power. I think his skill as a communicator

872
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: and getting them all, you know, and getting in and

873
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: finding finding players and motivating them, I think is a

874
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: And then he was a great. Uh he was. He

875
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: was a great. He was a great recruiter. He was

876
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, he was the franchise as best recruiters. So yeah,

877
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a good pick. He did

878
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: cheat at that. You went to the coach. It's good though.

879
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, hey, look the estros they got into

880
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: the world. See, I'm banging on a trash can. Whatever

881
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: it takes. All right, our final top three, top three

882
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: what ifs enfranchise history. We could do thirty apiece in

883
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: this one, but we're each going to pick out three. Yep,

884
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: I go feel free, Okay. Louis Phillips catches the interception,

885
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Joe Montana's interception. Uh, Jeremy Jeremy Hill doesn't fumble the ball.

886
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is easy stuff, right, Uh. And geez,

887
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got I think there. I think

888
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: everything else pills and compare some of those two because

889
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: those are I don't want to say life changing, but yeah,

890
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: I'll say life changing. Okay, Okay, And if Shane Graham

891
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: makes the overtime, makes the kick at the gun against

892
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh in OH six. That's a real life changer. They

893
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs two years in a row, OH

894
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: seven and O eight, probably, you know, maybe don't happen.

895
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to see, you know how that old five

896
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: team it didn't really it didn't really carry over like

897
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: they thought because they didn't make it an six seven

898
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: eight underachieved? But what if they go to the playoffs

899
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: two years in a row? So those are my thought. Three?

900
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to the way back machine. Greg

901
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: Cook's injury, Yeah, biggest what if enfranchise history? So Bill

902
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: Walsh famously said he was the most talented quarterback he

903
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: ever coached. Joe Montana turned out to be pretty good.

904
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: I wonder what a healthy Greg Cook and Paul Brown

905
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: if that would have been Belichick and Brady. I mean,

906
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have won six Super Bowls? But would they

907
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: have won two? Would Paul have kept coaching past seventy five?

908
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't that old? I mean, if he had the

909
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFL, would they have been the

910
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Steelers of the nineteen seventies? Oh, Mike Brown thinks so Mike.

911
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Mike is pretty sure that Cook was the best you

912
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: ever saw. For a second one. I'm also going to

913
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, but before the Jeremy Hill fumble. I'm going

914
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: to say the Andy Dalton broken thumb because they were

915
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFL to that point, or

916
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: at least one of them. They would have been the

917
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: number one playoff seed in the AFC at the time

918
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: at ten and two, he breaks his thumb. AJ mccaron

919
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: did a heck of a job down the stretch, but

920
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: they averaged seven fewer points with him at quarterback than

921
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: they did before Andy got hurt and he was in

922
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: the discussion for MVP. I think they went a home

923
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: playoff game against the Steelers with Andy Dalton playing instead

924
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: of AJ, because even though AJ led them to take

925
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: the lead with less and two minutes to go, we

926
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: really struggled for the first three quarters of that game.

927
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: So the Andy Andy broken thumb is on my list.

928
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: That's a go. I think I would have like to

929
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: have played the Jets. I think I liked would have

930
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: liked to have had McCarron against the Jets that game.

931
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: I think didn't the Jets have if the Jets won.

932
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers were up. I think the final

933
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: game between Steelers and Jets, I don't. I don't know

934
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: who it was between the I think the Jets had

935
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: to win. Fitz he had to win and they didn't.

936
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: That's right, I think. Yeah, So forgetting who they who,

937
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: they lost too. But that's that gave the Steelers the

938
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: final playoff spot because the Jets lost their regular season

939
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: finale would have been it would have been mccaren vers

940
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Fitzy and a great Dalton backup verse, Carson backup right.

941
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: And for my third and final one who we're thinking

942
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: same very similarly. So you take the Billups interception drop

943
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: and then Joe Montana threw a touchdown pass on the

944
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: next play, not on the final drop with some people

945
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: remember inaccurately, but earlier in the fourth quarter of that game.

946
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: But I'll take crum Ride breaking his leg. You know,

947
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: short shortly into that Super Bowl. You've got the best

948
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: defensive interior alignment and franchise history right up there with Gino.

949
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if he plays that whole game, do the

950
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers have any chance of marching down the

951
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: field on the final drive to lead to Montana to Taylor,

952
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: probably not out of crum rides getting in Joe Montana's

953
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: face every other pass drop. Some would say what if

954
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: a goal ad blitz? Right? Some what if in low

955
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: bullet blitzer the last five? Or on the fortieth anniversary?

956
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Why don't we ask what if the Bengals had scored

957
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: on the goal lines, on the goal line stand the

958
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Niners staged in the Pontiac Do they do they pull

959
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: off one of the greatest comeback? Do they pull off

960
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots Falcons come back forty years earlier? If they

961
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: punch it in there? Neither one of us shows not

962
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: taking the Saints offer for the entire draft. To take

963
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: take that one's too painful, a whole lot. If to

964
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: take a Killy Smith instead, well, you know what, and

965
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: probably it would have been better off taking a deal

966
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't have taken Achille. But you know the Saints,

967
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: you know you got seven guys, and I think what

968
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams right, that's what you would have got him,

969
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: that you would have got. I mean, you would have

970
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: got their whole draft, right, you know, it would have

971
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: been like seven just guys. Maybe who knows, You never know.

972
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: The Redskins did get Champ Bailey from the Redskins made

973
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the trade, and they wound up with champ Bailey as

974
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: the best player of the ones they selected, though he

975
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: was obviously great, but you never know, the Bengals might

976
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: not have taken Champile. Yeah, I mean and and great. Okay,

977
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: you gave us your draft, but how many guys are

978
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: how many drafted guys are really going to come out

979
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: worth that third? Right? Right? All right? We're gonna wrap

980
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: this up with something that I typically do when I'm

981
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: doing I find facts interviews during the course of the week,

982
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: A few wild card categories for Jeff Hobson, who is

983
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: your all time favorite athlete in any sport? And why

984
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: Tony Knnigliero. He was a Boston kid hit a home

985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: run in his first hit back at Fenway Pack. He

986
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: was nineteen years old, I believe, the youngest American League

987
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: home run champion. Everything. I was not mattinee Idol. He

988
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: could sing, but he did what every Boston kid wanted

989
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, this guy, he was living a

990
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: dream and then he had everything, and then suddenly he

991
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: had nothing. He got hit in the eye, he almost

992
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: get killed. He missed a year, and he came back

993
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: opening Day nineteen sixty nine hit I think he scored

994
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: the tying run in the ninth in Baltimore and hit

995
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: a two run homer I think in the tenth to

996
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: win it, and his first came back. I mean, he

997
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: came back. I mean, the guy came back in sixty nine,

998
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: played two more years, the eye failed him again, and

999
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: then he came back like four years later. He actually

1000
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: won a roster spot with his seventy five Red Sox.

1001
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people forget that, and he finally retired

1002
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: after he pulled a hamstring in May. But to me,

1003
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: he he didn't quit, you know, I mean, he just

1004
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: he kept coming back. I mean, the guy had everything

1005
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: and then it was gone, and he was just I

1006
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: mean to be you know, to get hit in the

1007
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: face like that and then to come back. And he

1008
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: hit twenty homers in his first year back, and then

1009
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: he hit thirty six homers year after that after nearly

1010
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: getting killed. I don't know. To me, he you know,

1011
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: one of my great thrills was somehow I ended up.

1012
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I went to the first two games at the seventy

1013
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: five playoffs, and somehow he was popped out of a

1014
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: crowd and I said, Tony, I just saw him there,

1015
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: and he goes, what And I just said, I just

1016
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: want to shake his hand. And that's the only time

1017
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: I ever got the only time I ever got to see.

1018
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: That's still your Twitter image the Sport illustrated cover of

1019
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: his Black Eye. Yeah, that's still to me. You know,

1020
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: the guy came back. Man, he didn't eat, didn't quit. Awesome.

1021
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: What's your all time favorite book? Ball four? No question? Uh?

1022
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: That came out in nineteen seventy. I was eleven years old,

1023
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: probably pretty pretty racy for eleven. Well, my grandparents gave

1024
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: it to me too, so you know, which's amazing, which

1025
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: is amazing still inscribed. I got it still inscribed, And

1026
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: of course they obviously didn't realize, you know, if they

1027
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: had seen May twenty seconds, but uh what he said

1028
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: to sell Magan, you know, they wouldn't have bought. They

1029
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't have bought the book. You know. Uh, probably learned

1030
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: more about the birds and the bees reading that them,

1031
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, uh than the conversation with Roy Hobson, you know,

1032
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: so uh so that you know, and it was just

1033
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: it really you know, it could have turned you off

1034
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess if you were. But it was just so.

1035
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: It was funny. It was these guys were human beings,

1036
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I still remember the stories in there.

1037
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: It was so and actually it was it was really

1038
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was Bouten wrote the book. Jim Boughten, obviously,

1039
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: but it was Jim Boughten talking in the tape machine

1040
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: with a great insight. But it was Leonard Scheckter who

1041
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: the editor, who wrote it and put it together and genius,

1042
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, no, no, I mean I still

1043
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: remember the anecdotes, or still sit with me today. I

1044
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: remember talking to John Kennedy was a character. I mean,

1045
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: he was in that book. He was a suit. He

1046
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: was a played for the Pilots. Later became super sub

1047
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: with the Red Sox in the early seventies. Became a

1048
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: scout for the Red Sox. And I was working in May,

1049
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: and I was working in May and I was a

1050
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: sports columnist. He came a scout a game. So we

1051
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: got to talking and chatting with him on did your

1052
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: Greeny kick in yet? You know, you know, John Kennedy

1053
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: talk to me for the rest of the later left

1054
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: in that inning at least, probably not a fond memory

1055
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: for him having that exposed in the book. But if

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00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at ball far, I

1057
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: think it was John Kennedy said, Hey, my Greeny hadn't

1058
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: kicked in yet or something. I can still remember this stuff.

1059
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: You know that book. Did that book influential decision to

1060
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: get into this business, probably one of them. But I

1061
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: think the biggest influence was just waking up every day

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: and reading the reading the Boston papers. You know, my

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00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: I you know, we had to sneak in the Boston

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00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Herald at the time when I was coming of age,

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, eight nineteen years old. The Herald had the

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: best sports section the Boston Globe. But the Boston Globe

1067
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: yet over had yet to overtake them with the young

1068
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: guns of McDonough and Gammons and month Field, so they

1069
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: had they still had Tim Morgan and guys like that

1070
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: or Bill Listen, you know, the Herald did, but we couldn't.

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: My father and I had to sneak in the Herald

1072
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: because there was a publican paper that had backed Nixon,

1073
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: and my mother didn't want it in the house, so

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00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: we had to we had to seek in the Herald

1075
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: sports section. The Globe was fine. We had what we

1076
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: had both the Morning Globe and the Evening Globe. So

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: I was able to that. I think that well, flip

1078
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: didn't hurt, But it was the newspapers, the Boston newspapers.

1079
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: They got me in all right. Last category for a

1080
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Butch Hobson. If you can meet anybody in history, athlete, actor, statesman,

1081
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: whoever it might be, who would that person be, Well,

1082
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to talk by Jackson Common,

1083
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: who went with Leon L. Da Vinci. That was that

1084
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: was very impressive there what I had. I had to

1085
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: struggle there, you know, Hordy. But I came down with

1086
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: John Lewis closely eked out John Kennedy. My ultimate would

1087
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: be if I could have a coffee with John Lewis

1088
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: and Jack Kennedy would be my ultimate. But if I

1089
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be one, it's gonna be John Lewis,

1090
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: the late congressman from Georgia, who was such a who

1091
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: was a freedom writer and it was such a huge

1092
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: factor in the civil rights movement. I mean, this guy

1093
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: literally gave his gave his blood on the bridge at

1094
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Edmund Pettis, And I guess that's something that I would

1095
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: That's another story I would put in my next book.

1096
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: I would hope would be Michael Johnson going back to Selma, Alabama,

1097
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: across the bridge with Barack Obama. That's pretty good. But

1098
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Lewis was in on that too, and on that, you know,

1099
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: on that, I think it was the It would have

1100
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: been the fiftieth I guess in twenty fifteen of the March.

1101
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, John Lewis, I mean, he was a guy.

1102
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: He grew up a poor in Alabama, and he would

1103
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a preacher, and he would preach

1104
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: to the chickens in the in the farmhouse, you know,

1105
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: and and he rose to become you know, he was

1106
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: one of the speakers in the match out Washington, and

1107
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: it was such a vaulatile speech that Martin Luther King

1108
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: Junior had to pull him aside at the moment the

1109
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: Wink Memorial and had to go had to edit his

1110
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: speech there and take out what he thought was a

1111
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: little bit in flam to. So, yeah, I'd like to

1112
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to John Lewis about that. What

1113
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: exactly the doctor King and he talked about in the

1114
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: moments before he stepped to the left turn in the March. Yeah,

1115
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: that's John Lewis, my guy. Yeah, it's a great, great selection,

1116
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: really good stuff. This has been fun, but I really

1117
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: appreciate It's no Leonardo division. But leave it to Horny

1118
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: to get I'll tell you, I'm glad you're here. I'm glad.

1119
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad you appear on the website because you're so

1120
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: good at what you do. You make me compete with you.

1121
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: I get I get mad when I see you have

1122
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: a guy that I should have had, or a topic

1123
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: I should have had. You're one of the best. I'm

1124
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: glad you're here because you keep me, you keep me,

1125
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: you keep me going. I'm trying to beat you. Well,

1126
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: we're all on the same team. And I appreciate the

1127
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: fact that you are so competitive that you want to

1128
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: be pushed every day. I think that's a wonderful trait

1129
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: we share. That competition is one of the best things

1130
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: about this job. The desire try to have something first

1131
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: or ba every day is one of the things that

1132
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: makes us so much fun. Honestly, I've been in this

1133
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: thing for forty years and one of the best things

1134
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: about it was I met you, and I can call

1135
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: my friend. And I mean that from one of my

1136
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: heart right there with you, and sometime we'll do a

1137
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: podcast about the night we spent together in a minor

1138
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: league broadcasting booth. I think that's one. I think that

1139
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: the one, and we should get Brad Pitt in there too,

1140
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: in the role of Billy Bean. Yeah. I still don't

1141
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: know what it was. You are off the hot seat.

1142
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. I will see you in Paul

1143
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: Brown Stadium next week. Hort. I know you don't have

1144
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: a Bengals call, but I always like to tell you

1145
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: have a good call with the Bearcatt Hi. Thanks to

1146
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson Man. That's going to do it. For this

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,280
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Speaker 1: you haven't done so already, please subscribe to this podcast

1151
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1153
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for listening to the Bengals

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Speaker 1: boot Podcast.