Speaker 1: Hey va fam, Welcome to Brown Ambition. Happy Wednesday, Happy
Speaker 1: Lunar New Year. If you're celebrating, we're going red. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I got the memo, but some other.
Speaker 2: Round table is that isn't the Red family.
Speaker 1: That's probably what like a dude thinks it's red. But
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like like Chinese red. That's not Chinese
Speaker 1: New Year red. No, it's not not at all, but
Speaker 1: it's fine enough. There's a huge like Chinatown and SF
Speaker 1: is like a big thing, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: It's a huge yeah. Population. I don't have any specific plans,
Speaker 2: but I will always partake in, especially the food portion
Speaker 2: of the celebration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, so souper dump. Yeah so wait you moved
Speaker 1: to SF so much has changed? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: went with an afro today. What else have you missed
Speaker 1: in the past like two weeks. We call it the
Speaker 1: Brown table. Now, welcome to the Brown Table. Yes, so yes,
Speaker 1: officially going to like you know, let you know that
Speaker 1: and shout out to Mark from Better Wallet for giving
Speaker 1: me that name. I'm going to mention you every time
Speaker 1: so that you don't ask me for any kind of
Speaker 1: like royalty or benefit residual from that. Okay, but thank
Speaker 1: you for the idea. You were right. What else did
Speaker 1: you miss? You on Nelly? Our girl is in Switzerland.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, where's Nellie when I got here.
Speaker 1: She's a Rudelyn babe. She's doing something fancy.
Speaker 2: Well that's right, because I saw a video and I
Speaker 2: was like, is this right now?
Speaker 1: I was like where she was on the panel?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know I was teasing. I'm like, look
Speaker 1: at that girl from the from Brooklyn almost said the
Speaker 1: Bronx from Brooklyn bk out there in Switzerland. So we
Speaker 1: wish her the best doing her big girl, big speaking thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you had a big move.
Speaker 2: Oh man, It's like one of those things where you
Speaker 2: you whatever, you move right, you know it's horrible, but
Speaker 2: then you just forget about it, and then the next
Speaker 2: time you move you're like, oh, yeah, this is horrible.
Speaker 2: That's what happened. Like, yes, yeah, you think about oh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be so exciting a new place. You don't
Speaker 2: think about the fact that you're constantly boxing of stuff,
Speaker 2: lifting everything. It was it was a journey, But I've
Speaker 2: been here for a weekend.
Speaker 1: I rid of so much stuff. You made a big deal, like, oh,
Speaker 1: a minimal snow blah blah blah. You could fit my
Speaker 1: things in a carry on suitcase.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I got rid of so much stuff.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, I still got too much stuff.
Speaker 2: So it ended up being I have like one you
Speaker 2: can't see it's out a frame here of a giant
Speaker 2: suitcase that had all my clothes in it. So I
Speaker 2: was able to fit pretty much everything in that one
Speaker 2: big suitcase, and then everything else fit in the back
Speaker 2: of a round.
Speaker 1: I have suitcases, multiple of clothing that no longer fits me,
Speaker 1: that that might fit me one day, you know that,
Speaker 1: I just like stack up in my crawl space. So
Speaker 1: I have to buy a new luggage when I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, I'm using that big suitcase for Why.
Speaker 2: Don't you just put it in a box? Why are
Speaker 2: you put it in a suitcases?
Speaker 1: It just feels like vermin could get in there. You
Speaker 1: know I'm in I'm in the suburbs. Now, we might
Speaker 1: have little mice and stuff. I don't want them to
Speaker 1: like chew through a box. Get clothing.
Speaker 2: Get those little bags. So the ones we you stuck
Speaker 2: the air out of the bag, it seals it up.
Speaker 1: I don't have a vacuum does that does not compatible
Speaker 1: with the dice in the little dice and skinny back little.
Speaker 2: Pump thing like a little bike pump thing you put
Speaker 2: on it sex all the air out come on. So
Speaker 2: I'm making excuses a.
Speaker 1: Bike so I could use my bike pump.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 2: No, no, you can't. It's a special one. You can't
Speaker 2: just plug a bike pock doing it is gonna work.
Speaker 1: Listen. I don't do any any like appliance or tool
Speaker 1: that has different components and nozzles. I just can't be bothered.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, the wooden floor attachment is not on it.
Speaker 1: It's the carpet attachment. Well, I guess I'm not vacuumting
Speaker 1: the living room today. I'm just I'll wait until my
Speaker 1: husband feels like finding out finding the carpet attachment or whatever.
Speaker 1: What were we discussing?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: Okay, God moved up here about a week and a
Speaker 2: half ago. It's been great, but the move was still horrible.
Speaker 1: So now you're starting your new I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: starting your new single life in the city because you
Speaker 1: went and got booed up, I.
Speaker 2: Know, locked it down before I got here.
Speaker 1: I just think that's great. It's almost like you manifested
Speaker 1: that relationship too, because you had planned to move and
Speaker 1: then you met me, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly three mutual.
Speaker 1: Friends, I mean, and how long has it been since
Speaker 1: you were last really? I know you've shared on the
Speaker 1: show candidly. I know that you're like your skin's crawling
Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, not personal.
Speaker 2: Details, more personal.
Speaker 1: But you were divorced, divorced by divorce, Okay, in Adele's voice,
Speaker 1: divorce it's fine, like most people will so anyway, but
Speaker 1: you came back. It's fine.
Speaker 2: One of the things I told myself, right, because I
Speaker 2: was like, as I was getting back at there, because
Speaker 2: I didn't really want to at first. I was I
Speaker 2: was just working on myself, going to therapy, trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what am I doing.
Speaker 1: Amen, as you should, right.
Speaker 2: You don't want to bring all your problems into a
Speaker 2: new situation, so I'm trying to take my time. And
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I want to whoever I meet,
Speaker 2: I want to be friends with them first, because I
Speaker 2: want to make sure that we like each other, we
Speaker 2: get along. You don't when it's jumping something to something, Beau,
Speaker 2: you're attracted to somebody, right, Because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: attractive people.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys going to get along, you do
Speaker 1: if you're under thirty, which we're not. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: know for that different now, relationships so only have so
Speaker 1: much time to live.
Speaker 2: Like you got the count, you're a later dater. You
Speaker 2: just dry all the way up, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I gotta say, you like, you never know, right you
Speaker 2: meet someone and you start dating, and you know, anyway,
Speaker 2: we're all putting our best foot forward, right, like we're
Speaker 2: all being our best version of ourselves, and so you
Speaker 2: always wait. I'm sure she's waiting for the shoot to
Speaker 2: drop for me, and I'm waiting for her. And I
Speaker 2: gotta say, she's still been the same amazing person since
Speaker 2: when I met her, very even, very consistent personality and demeanor,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's been it's been really good getting to
Speaker 2: know her more. And that's kind of like just like
Speaker 2: you know, getting through like the very early stages. And
Speaker 2: I will say being friends first definitely helped because you
Speaker 2: can know the person a little bit. You already know
Speaker 2: the good and the bad of who the person is,
Speaker 2: and so it kind of helps as you transition to
Speaker 2: that relationship part. And I was very fortunate that I
Speaker 2: ended up meeting her through a friend, because I was like,
Speaker 2: that was what I was hoping for. But you know,
Speaker 2: you don't know, like you know who your friend's friends are.
Speaker 2: They may not have a good pool of people and
Speaker 2: they're bullet fed.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a setup. It wasn't of those
Speaker 1: awkward like, Okay, you got to meet this girl that
Speaker 1: I feel like is less successful than what you've done,
Speaker 1: which is the organic like your I mean, did you
Speaker 1: tell your friends, hey, just in case you know anyone
Speaker 1: who's single, like make sure that they're invited, or did
Speaker 1: you just like let it happen.
Speaker 2: No, you don't shout out to my friend. My friend
Speaker 2: Ning got throw her name out there. She was wanting.
Speaker 1: To be the friend who like met who like connected
Speaker 1: the two soulmates, you know what I mean, Like, whoever
Speaker 1: there was that friend who introduced Harry to Meghan, And
Speaker 1: I'm just like the way that my ego would just
Speaker 1: be fed for the rest of my life, like she
Speaker 1: gave us Harry and Meghan. So shout out to Ning.
Speaker 2: Ye do better next time, Maddie. You're you're way too slow.
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at it. Ning.
Speaker 2: She told me she met Bee just through a co
Speaker 2: working space, the same co working space I go to.
Speaker 2: And she was like, Oh, she's just a really cool person.
Speaker 2: I really I really like it like her. We're becoming friends,
Speaker 2: like great, and that was it. Then when I went
Speaker 2: to where I came back for like my second long
Speaker 2: trip up here, we went to the co working space
Speaker 2: and then B just happened. She literally just walked in.
Speaker 2: Ning wasn't even sitting next to me. I was just
Speaker 2: sitting in a chair and be sat across from me.
Speaker 2: Didn't know who I was. I didn't know who she was,
Speaker 2: so we didn't like we weren't talking. And then Ning
Speaker 2: walks up. She's like, oh, hey, hey, B, this is Chris.
Speaker 2: Chris is B And I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: the person you've been talking about all this time. I
Speaker 2: had no idea, and so then yeah, we just kind
Speaker 2: of were just Ning was very respectful. That was the
Speaker 2: one thing we both give her credit for. She was
Speaker 2: not like forcing us to be there, and then we
Speaker 2: think she deep down was like I think these two
Speaker 2: people were where they hit it off, but she never
Speaker 2: like forced us to go do something together and then
Speaker 2: like make us like sit by each other. Wasn't like
Speaker 2: always orchestrating things. But but it feels like a good
Speaker 2: investment at this point. I mean now, definitely a good investment.
Speaker 2: I'm paying I paid for the annually annually, so somewhere
Speaker 2: around like I think one fifty ish a month. It's like,
Speaker 2: what's the equivalent price of.
Speaker 1: Well, just be careful you don't end up on one
Speaker 1: of them websites. You know, there's like Facebook groups. Now.
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with my husband's coworkers and they're
Speaker 1: all like in their early twenties or mid twenties, and
Speaker 1: they said that there's a Facebook group where they it's
Speaker 1: and it's for every city, and girls get on there
Speaker 1: and share pictures of boys that they're about to go
Speaker 1: out with and basically ask the crowd, hey, any ride
Speaker 1: flags I should know about?
Speaker 2: Oh that it's gonna be way worse and whatever. I
Speaker 2: know what you're about to say some webcam orsbody, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but that's horrible. I'm like, And they were
Speaker 1: just talking about how yeah, I put a picture of
Speaker 1: this one guy, and then someone said that he had
Speaker 1: cheated on her, and I was like, well, never mind,
Speaker 1: onto the next and I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: when is anyone, someone's gonna get sued if they haven't
Speaker 1: already been by these Yeah, because that's like you could
Speaker 1: really you know, you're you're just like tearing down someone's
Speaker 1: character and out of and people could be doing it
Speaker 1: for revenge.
Speaker 2: You know, Like that's the thing, because I get it
Speaker 2: for a woman, right cause it's like, look, you got
Speaker 2: to be careful out there. You gotta make sure you're right. Yeah, person, So.
Speaker 1: We do it anyway informally, but to have it like yes,
Speaker 1: I agree, but.
Speaker 2: Right, but there's too much room for stuff for a
Speaker 2: jealous visual person to be like, oh no this, let
Speaker 2: me tell you all this fake, horrible stuff about this person.
Speaker 2: We mess up a potentially good relationship. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I get it, but I'm like, oh, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of room for that to go real wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying you might want to do a
Speaker 1: little quick glance at that that group for s f
Speaker 1: any of your awkward early dates.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, I got no skeletons in my closet.
Speaker 2: I'm open bug though, I'm like, I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: anything out there.
Speaker 1: Ooh famous last words. I will be saving this clip
Speaker 1: for when the next Chris Browning scandal occurs. You know,
Speaker 1: remember when he said, I never knew he was so normal.
Speaker 1: He was my friend for years. I never saw it coming.
Speaker 2: Please put this out there. They'll put his energy out
Speaker 2: into the world.
Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, ba Fan. Well, the biggest things
Speaker 1: in the news right now, other than like everything happening
Speaker 1: with lowered Voute Mowort, has just been like the economy,
Speaker 1: you know that we're so easy to screw with. I
Speaker 1: feel like, honestly, the stock market in America, like we're
Speaker 1: so fickle just anything anything can happen. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like the now the founder of that company
Speaker 1: whoever founded a Deep Deep Seek in China, like they
Speaker 1: could just have a really bad cough or something, and
Speaker 1: then like the American markets would just be jacking the
Speaker 1: price up of all these tech companies to be like,
Speaker 1: oh well maybe they were like got an illness, so
Speaker 1: we need to like, you know, maybe these companies are
Speaker 1: going to be doing better now when that company obviously
Speaker 1: goes under because the CEO is gonna die because he
Speaker 1: has tuberculosis or whatever it is. You know, like we're
Speaker 1: just so emotional. Homeboy, stock market. Homeboy is in his
Speaker 1: feelings he's a very emo and yeah, tech stocks were plummeting,
Speaker 1: and it's like Navidia, this company that makes the chips
Speaker 1: that these AI. Now I understand why Nividio is such
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 2: It's in video is a name. I call it Navidia,
Speaker 2: which is a beautiful day. My brother's having another kid.
Speaker 2: I like, you could name your kid Navidia.
Speaker 1: Well listen, at least I didn't do the real Southern thing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Navidia's call it in videos. Anyone
Speaker 1: been to m going down to in videos like crokers, Yo,
Speaker 1: their stock has been going boom boom, up up up
Speaker 1: up up. I know Amandy money Maker had gotten a
Speaker 1: job there and her comp offer. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a work of art. I got no notes ten
Speaker 1: out of ten. Don't negotiate, just run run and say yes, hey,
Speaker 1: Jake it which is very unusual for me to say,
Speaker 1: don't negotiate. But I was like, girl, you got it,
Speaker 1: Like this is an amazing offer. Let's talk about like
Speaker 1: something that really impacts American finances, which or at least
Speaker 1: it feels like. I don't know if it was like
Speaker 1: if this is too apt of a cliche to use,
Speaker 1: but as a chicken or the egg. When the egg
Speaker 1: became the the indicator. There's just research came out showing
Speaker 1: that the price of a dozen eggs, and this is
Speaker 1: like the bare minimum eggs, like the squeaky styrofoam, the
Speaker 1: pink and blue containers that the bougie ones of us
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't get those have doubled in price
Speaker 1: from like two bucks to four dollars.
Speaker 2: Since how much of your budget is your eggs compared
Speaker 2: to things like your rent or your mortgage, or your
Speaker 2: car insurance and car paper, like, there are things that
Speaker 2: make up a much bigger chunk of your budget that
Speaker 2: should be more more concerned, Like we should be putting
Speaker 2: all this energy into like why is the cost of
Speaker 2: living increasing so crazy and such a crazy rate, versus
Speaker 2: thinking that if egg prices went down, if eggs went down,
Speaker 2: if eggs went from four dollars to fifty cents a carton,
Speaker 2: that's not going to danger your life. But if you
Speaker 2: have got way more affordable, that would make a big difference.
Speaker 2: But it becomes this thing, this talking point that they
Speaker 2: can just focus on, and it's not like eggs have
Speaker 2: gotten are going to get cheaproblem a sudden it's because
Speaker 2: we have a new president, because they have not. So
Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things that's like, it's not
Speaker 2: really where we should be putting our anger and energy
Speaker 2: into right now.
Speaker 1: What I would rather focus on is like the cost
Speaker 1: of technology. If the Trump administration and goes through with
Speaker 1: these tariffs that they're threatening to put on countries like
Speaker 1: Mexico and China, then like, I don't want us to
Speaker 1: lose sight of what could happen to that, because I
Speaker 1: feel like people who voted for Trump are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going to be like tough on trade, but not
Speaker 1: understanding the crucial, crucial piece of information about a tariff
Speaker 1: is that it does increase the cost for them to
Speaker 1: ship their products to us in America, but they passed
Speaker 1: that cost on to us. So there's one report that
Speaker 1: says if they go through with an up to sixty
Speaker 1: percent tariff on Chinese goods, that could lead to an
Speaker 1: insane increase in the cost of things like computers and smartphones.
Speaker 1: So one example is that wait, we're in this tago
Speaker 1: n VideA hold on everything all be oh, here we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if they actually go through with a sixty percent
Speaker 1: tariff on China. A new report said that laptop and
Speaker 1: tablet price might increase forty five percent, video consoles by
Speaker 1: as much as forty percent, smartphones by as much as
Speaker 1: twenty six percent. So let's just take it a smartphone
Speaker 1: for example, I just bought my dad, well with his
Speaker 1: credit card. I helped him order the new iPhone Promax
Speaker 1: or whatever, because.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really like you.
Speaker 1: I just know absolutely not. You'll hear later in the
Speaker 1: show about why I did not no money like that
Speaker 1: right now. But anyway, he can't. His phone is so
Speaker 1: bad that he couldn't even get online to purchase a
Speaker 1: new one. I did it for him, and it was
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks or whatever. Of course he got one
Speaker 1: of those insane thirty six month payment plans. But anyway,
Speaker 1: if a tariff like this goes through, that could be
Speaker 1: a two that could that phone, the same phone I
Speaker 1: got him could cost twelve hundred dollars because yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not making these products in America, so tariffs mean more
Speaker 1: money from us. So I don't understand how that is
Speaker 1: part of like the make America affordable again. Well that's
Speaker 1: why we're here in ba FAM because we ain't going
Speaker 1: to be that dumb. Okay, well, what do you think
Speaker 1: about all these d de I Rollback says. The big
Speaker 1: one that is like breaking the girl's hearts is Target?
Speaker 1: Oh Target, Why why a Tab at the Brown? Probably
Speaker 1: the biggest, I feel like the biggest black owned brand
Speaker 1: in Target. I can't think of a bigger one, can you? No?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she has I mean she sells food there
Speaker 1: and cookwaar, and she had a clothing line and she's
Speaker 1: just a huge personal brand unto herself. We love Tab
Speaker 1: and so for Tab to be swept up in this
Speaker 1: and she did this. She put a video on social
Speaker 1: weear she's eating like the biggest crispis fowl of grapes.
Speaker 1: Like it was very asmr Like I've never heard a
Speaker 1: grape that crisp. Like where did she get this from?
Speaker 1: And she's not even saying anything. She just don't want
Speaker 1: I was like, black girl, I'm not going to say anything,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to communicate with my m like do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No word needed to add an important POV to this,
Speaker 1: which is I believe the actual founders of these black
Speaker 1: owned businesses like what is what does it mean to
Speaker 1: them if we boycott these retailers and get that perspective.
Speaker 1: I have a very special guest who's going to join
Speaker 1: us now, and her name is Kim Lewis. She is
Speaker 1: the CEO of curl Mix, which is I know, Chris,
Speaker 1: your favorite natural curl haircare brand.
Speaker 2: Right love? Which had more? I could use more of it?
Speaker 1: How many ball jokes will she do in an episode?
Speaker 1: At least two? So she's gonna come on and she's
Speaker 1: going to weigh in because curl Mix has been around
Speaker 1: four I feel like, I don't know a decade now,
Speaker 1: and she has built of like an e commerce heavy business,
Speaker 1: but has recently been in the past year selling her
Speaker 1: products at Alta Alta Beauty. So Kim's going to join
Speaker 1: the show, and I think y'all really love what she
Speaker 1: has to say. So I wanted to have a friend
Speaker 1: of the show. Kim Lewis the CEO and founder of
Speaker 1: curl Mix, one of your one of the best brands
Speaker 1: for curly hair, and naturally, I'm wearing my curly hair today.
Speaker 1: One of the best friends out there is like, Kim,
Speaker 1: You've been in business for quite some time now, in
Speaker 1: the past year, your products have been put on shelves
Speaker 1: at ALTA. So yeah, I wanted to get your perspective
Speaker 1: on all of this, Like is it fair for us
Speaker 1: to say boycott these retailers? Is that the best thing
Speaker 1: we can do to show that we do care how
Speaker 1: they invest in our communities?
Speaker 4: You know, I saw the founder of Buy from a
Speaker 4: black woman and talk about how it's like if you
Speaker 4: look at the Montgomery book bus boycott, and if there
Speaker 4: was a group of black people were like, you know what,
Speaker 4: we can still ride bus.
Speaker 3: Fourteen and seventy eight. We just want to do the
Speaker 3: other buses, it wouldn't have been effective.
Speaker 4: It was all around canceling of a retailer that really
Speaker 4: got changed, and that really made because people people only
Speaker 4: respond to their pocketbooks, right, They're not going to respond
Speaker 4: to like goodwill and incentive and kumbaya. They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not making it so much money, let me change
Speaker 4: my policy. So boycott of Target could turn into, Hey,
Speaker 4: we're going to double.
Speaker 3: Down on the DEI we were doing before and do
Speaker 3: even more.
Speaker 4: We might even have a black section, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like you might get that from the boycott now.
Speaker 4: I also understand my friends who have inventory in those
Speaker 4: places and they're like him, I need this hundred KPO
Speaker 4: to come through this month, otherwise I'm going to be bankrupt.
Speaker 3: Like I don't have investors, I don't have any the
Speaker 3: financial backing.
Speaker 4: Like my small business, I won't have the money to
Speaker 4: pay for my family to eat if you guys don't
Speaker 4: go in and shop the stores and target.
Speaker 3: Now what I would also, what I would say.
Speaker 4: I have learned is that in the past couple of
Speaker 4: years since funding his dried up and bankruptcies are an
Speaker 4: all time high, is that it has been It is
Speaker 4: my lesson's armstong to learn not to have all my
Speaker 4: eggs in one basket or one channel when it comes
Speaker 4: to growing my business or sub staving my business, Like
Speaker 4: I'm an e commerce business, and when my business was
Speaker 4: only focused on ECMM and nothing else, no Amazon, no retail, nothing,
Speaker 4: when the Facebook algorithm change in twenty twenty two, I
Speaker 4: was screwed. Like my business suffers so much that one
Speaker 4: month I went from like you know, maybe breaking even
Speaker 4: to our profits are like losing one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: you know, saying.
Speaker 1: Why does Facebook impact that so much? As it ads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like they if they have an algorithm update,
Speaker 4: it changes who sees your ads, if it's the ideal
Speaker 4: customer for somebody else, it changed the efficacy of them.
Speaker 4: Like so you I realized, Oh, that's a fickle place
Speaker 4: for me to be where everything is relying on this
Speaker 4: one channel.
Speaker 3: And this is not to say like oh like sour
Speaker 3: Graves or oh like this is your lesson learned. It's not.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. I am supportive of targeted buying.
Speaker 4: Targeted buying meaning you go into Target and you only
Speaker 4: buy the black owned brands. I get that, and especially
Speaker 4: I'm getting that from a self as perspective, as a
Speaker 4: founder who could have their products in retail and I
Speaker 4: would want that support. But I also get from a
Speaker 4: larger perspective of like, no, we all have to be unified.
Speaker 4: So because Target's not going to make a change unless
Speaker 4: we are unified, and then selfish to them like well
Speaker 4: you can shock up almost Ulsa is actually doubling down
Speaker 4: to and I like, they gave us a lot of money.
Speaker 3: They paid us in advance.
Speaker 4: Okay, when we launched an Alta, OURPO was like several
Speaker 4: hundred thousands with and instead of paying us at ninety
Speaker 4: sixty net thirty, they give us Nest fifteen terms and
Speaker 4: they paid us in advance for their first order.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that fifteen is like especially for like
Speaker 1: a product like that. I mean, that is a game changer,
Speaker 1: and that ninety is a killer.
Speaker 3: And they would probably say, well, you were on shark tank.
Speaker 3: You have two.
Speaker 4: Hundred thousand customers already online that she has the information for,
Speaker 4: and you also post on social regularly, and basically they
Speaker 4: would say like, okay.
Speaker 3: We'll keep you know, we and I gave them exclusivity.
Speaker 4: I'm also not in any other retailers, so they can't
Speaker 4: afford to back me that way because I'm not telling
Speaker 4: people to go to Target. And also in CBS and
Speaker 4: Walkreens and Walmart. If I had been all these other places,
Speaker 4: there's no.
Speaker 3: Way they would have doubled down that way, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, gotcha. So it's besides that coin.
Speaker 4: But I'm grateful to them because they could also be
Speaker 4: rolling out with the retailers or retailers to stand together
Speaker 4: and say, hey, we're just all not gonna do this,
Speaker 4: so what you got to stop somewhere, you know. And
Speaker 4: so but I'm grateful for them for standing on that,
Speaker 4: and I was just so like, and they gave us
Speaker 4: section to like new and emerging brands, which is honestly
Speaker 4: a lot of the DEI brands, you know, women owned,
Speaker 4: women of color, Black owned, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is nice, like y'all are.
Speaker 3: And then you have a cowork off of us where.
Speaker 4: They bring those women on brands, women of color brands
Speaker 4: together and then they helped us you into the store.
Speaker 4: And I'm not the only one of that they've paid
Speaker 4: in advance for order before you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: I'm not the only one.
Speaker 3: And so I think the heartburn with Target is that
Speaker 3: we felt like.
Speaker 4: They were like the sister girl, the homie, the untee,
Speaker 4: the boyfriend, whoever, was like really putting black people up
Speaker 4: front because they have us in the images and we
Speaker 4: go in their stores. They have a section that they
Speaker 4: like black beauty, it feels like with the hair section
Speaker 4: and the makeup section, and.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people were getting a lot
Speaker 3: of play.
Speaker 4: But I think Target has their darlings and then everybody
Speaker 4: else is like kind of there, you know, And I
Speaker 4: think now we're feeling, you know, the roll back and
Speaker 4: it's like, you know what, maybe we overinvested. It's okay,
Speaker 4: like we all want to do this anymore. And I
Speaker 4: think that is where it's like, oh, you tricked us,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you got us in
Speaker 4: and now you're now that you're if it's only been
Speaker 4: abandoned almost and like the worst time in the Trump
Speaker 4: administration that we've been there, you.
Speaker 1: Just know they're right now setting up for Black History Month,
Speaker 1: you know, putting that little end cap on first, what
Speaker 1: do you call it? When you first walk in and
Speaker 1: it's like, here's all the cute Black History Month stuff.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: But how do you have a Black History Month like
Speaker 4: promo and like in cap and like display and then
Speaker 4: you just denounced a roll back your DNA program.
Speaker 3: That just feels so disingenuous, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I'm more interested to see what Black History Month next
Speaker 1: year looks like because I feel like, aren't they constantly
Speaker 1: kind of working in advance? And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: from the retailer perspective, how far in advance do they
Speaker 1: purchased the products that are on shelves? So like when
Speaker 1: will we actually see if they're divesting from these brands?
Speaker 1: Like when will the shelves start looking slimmer.
Speaker 4: And divesting really could just mean we're not adding new ones,
Speaker 4: you know that, we're just kind of like helping people
Speaker 4: who are here, which is just hardening for people who
Speaker 4: are starting. You know, this is like this is honestly
Speaker 4: is not it's time to start a brand. And the
Speaker 4: people who are surviving, I'm the ones who were here
Speaker 4: before twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: If you didn't have.
Speaker 4: A customer base of four twenty twenty betweeny one, it's
Speaker 4: really hard to start now. And I'm just saying that
Speaker 4: from a funding perspective, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: there's no more c funding for product based businesses, Like
Speaker 4: the amount of funding has literally dropped like ninety nine percent,
Speaker 4: and the only people are getting funded from mine now
Speaker 4: is now that are CpG companies. Are people who are
Speaker 4: doing ten million. They're profitable and like they're getting some
Speaker 4: kind of check. But if they're new, if you need
Speaker 4: money to start your business, like, don't start it. That's
Speaker 4: kind of the conversation in the VC the investment world.
Speaker 1: That's like for product based you said CP, you're using CpG,
Speaker 1: so consumer products and goods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, consumer package goods.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you got stuff, consumer package goods okay
Speaker 1: and fool.
Speaker 4: So it is even worse right now, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And I imagine it was bad before, but
Speaker 4: now that there's like this whole ice thing where they're
Speaker 4: going to be shipping everybody back to wherever they're from,
Speaker 4: which is fed up in so many ways. Who's who
Speaker 4: is plucking your strawberries, who is getting your grapes, who
Speaker 4: is providing the food that's in the restaurants, and so
Speaker 4: it's it is a what's all says?
Speaker 3: To burn the boat's kind of year where you gotta
Speaker 3: you burn.
Speaker 4: The boat with Basically, if the armies they would land
Speaker 4: in a new land, they would burn the boats and say, hey,
Speaker 4: you have no option but to win, otherwise you die.
Speaker 3: You know that's the kind of year we're looking at.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really uplifting. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: This is called brown ambition. We don't have guests come
Speaker 1: on and like kill our kill the ambition of everyone listening.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know.
Speaker 1: You're keeping it real. I mean, you're in it. You
Speaker 1: know what the steaks are.
Speaker 4: The only reason I'm still here is because I had
Speaker 4: philanthropic dollars. Somebody who was very wealthy who's seen me
Speaker 4: working at this for the last five to seven years,
Speaker 4: wrote me a check.
Speaker 1: But if they did not private investor.
Speaker 3: Yeah I have an investor or, an angel investor.
Speaker 4: But if they had not, Oh my god, like I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be here talking to you.
Speaker 1: May you know, that's incredible. Yeah, and thanks for that
Speaker 1: transparency too, because I mean it's I feel like, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you feel like in your community are people and
Speaker 1: I mean by your community, I mean other people who
Speaker 1: are selling those CpG products, Like, are they being honest
Speaker 1: and upfront about what's really the struggle behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Behind the scenes, they tell me the truth. But here's
Speaker 4: the thing. Getting on social is already hard, right, like
Speaker 4: showing up with your face, your voice, and your opinions
Speaker 4: because most people are afraid to share their opinions publicly.
Speaker 3: It's already hard.
Speaker 4: It's even harder to do when you're struggling. And yeah,
Speaker 4: no founder is going to get out of here and
Speaker 4: tell you that they are bankrupt or they're out of
Speaker 4: money or they had to do like.
Speaker 3: No, they're just not going to do that, you know,
Speaker 3: And yeah, they're just not going to do that.
Speaker 4: And so I hear a lot of the background conversation
Speaker 4: and the founders I know who' hit a million dollar
Speaker 4: marks are either going bankrupt that are either don't have
Speaker 4: much money.
Speaker 3: And so what I like.
Speaker 4: To recommend to people is like, now's the time we're
Speaker 4: living your relationships. Now's the time to ask a rich friend.
Speaker 4: You know, they may say no, but you need you
Speaker 4: need to ask, and you got to open up your
Speaker 4: mouth and ask. Now is the time to be honest
Speaker 4: about the situation, To tell your investors, tell your friends,
Speaker 4: to your family the money that you don't have, because
Speaker 4: you need some help, Like, we can't save ourselves in this.
Speaker 3: We need some help.
Speaker 1: We need Mortgaging your house, huh, don't be taking a
Speaker 1: second mortgage on the house.
Speaker 3: Maybe not a.
Speaker 4: Second, but maybe it's time to sell your house. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's time to downsize. Maybe it's time to liquidate some
Speaker 4: of those assets. A lot of my friends are liquating
Speaker 4: their assets and they're figuring out what's really important to them.
Speaker 4: And I'm saying there because a lot of us have money.
Speaker 4: Money in twenty twenty two, you know, I twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: we had some like residuals. So twenty four they were
Speaker 4: all broke and they were like, okay, girl, what are
Speaker 4: we eating for dinner? Okay, this is my budget? You know,
Speaker 4: Like I know that people were doing credit card Russian roulette.
Speaker 4: They throw all their credit cards in the in the
Speaker 4: table for dinner and then whoever's card was pooled, just
Speaker 4: who dinner was on.
Speaker 3: We not doing that no more. Okay, now it's a fifty.
Speaker 4: Dollars budget for what I'm eating at dinner. I might
Speaker 4: get a drink, I might not. I'man a free game
Speaker 4: before I get here. And I think it's just the
Speaker 4: kind of like the times that we're in a lot
Speaker 4: of the uncertainty. But I don't want to discourage people, right,
Speaker 4: I want people to hear the real thing from somebody
Speaker 4: who's in it and has seen seeing what everybody else
Speaker 4: is saying, but not necessarily projecting online. But while you're
Speaker 4: in that, it doesn't mean you can't keep building, but
Speaker 4: you may have to adjust your expectations. Right, so you
Speaker 4: may not get to that ten million ar mark in
Speaker 4: the five year plan that you wanted, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like you might be it might take.
Speaker 3: You ten for that.
Speaker 4: And are you do you really love what you're doing
Speaker 4: that much to do it ten more years to stick around.
Speaker 3: I do. And that was some soul searching.
Speaker 4: I had to realize, Okay, Kim, if it takes you
Speaker 4: another ten years to get to a hundred million, like
Speaker 4: would you?
Speaker 3: Would you do it? Because I thought we'd be able
Speaker 3: to get there in a lesson.
Speaker 4: Five and and if it took you fifteen, would you
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 3: And I was just like I would, I definitely would.
Speaker 4: I love what I serve and what who I do
Speaker 4: it for, and like, I like my job and it's hard,
Speaker 4: but I like the person is making me into.
Speaker 3: But if you don't like it and it's hard, yeah,
Speaker 3: then this is this is the time to look at
Speaker 3: it and be like, Okay, is this the thing? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, Brown Ambition, fam y'all know that I have
Speaker 1: been a little transparent about how broke broke broke I
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty four. I really feel like you're
Speaker 1: speaking to me, Kim. And there was those times in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four where I was like, should I be
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn? This is not this is crazy, Like I'm
Speaker 1: literally making no money. I'm putting all this money into
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition, this new chapter, and like what I envisioned
Speaker 1: it to be and it's partly your fault, Kim, because
Speaker 1: I went to Afrotech and that's the last time I
Speaker 1: saw you hanging out with my girl Morgan and Blavity,
Speaker 1: and like Afrotech, you just can't leave there and think small.
Speaker 1: And that really gave me the final push I needed
Speaker 1: to be like, yes, you're suffering, and yes, like things
Speaker 1: are very tight right now, but I'm not failing. This
Speaker 1: is what it is, you know, Like, this is what
Speaker 1: it is. You have to slow down and to invest
Speaker 1: and put your own money up and be willing to
Speaker 1: do that if, like you said, if the goal is
Speaker 1: something that you are truly passionate and I know that
Speaker 1: that word gets thrown around, but like really committed to
Speaker 1: And it shifted my mindset. It has the past few
Speaker 1: months to the space of like, no, I'm not struggling,
Speaker 1: I'm building and like this is we need more stories
Speaker 1: of this part. Yeah, and that's why I've been so
Speaker 1: transparent with ba Fan. My little brother was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably been hard for you to do that because like,
Speaker 1: aren't you supposed to be a personal finance expert And.
Speaker 3: Being the financial expert doesn't mean you have perfection, do you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, Like all of those grand cardoons
Speaker 4: and all of those like really famous rich wife folks.
Speaker 3: They had a moment where they were bankrupt. Like Trump
Speaker 3: has file bakrupcy five or six times. Come on, yeah,
Speaker 3: come on, like we are badging debt.
Speaker 1: They don't even use cash to just debt all day
Speaker 1: exactly can afford Texas? We get those boid taxes.
Speaker 3: I mean, we get to be broke.
Speaker 4: We get to be broke or cash for once in
Speaker 4: a while. This doesn't mean this forever, but you know,
Speaker 4: it's a moment.
Speaker 3: I think this.
Speaker 4: The version of me that wants to run a public
Speaker 4: company one day has to go through a phase where
Speaker 4: I have to focus on profit, and I have to
Speaker 4: focus on servicing my dat and I have to focus
Speaker 4: on being crazy efficient on my capital in a way
Speaker 4: that I've never had to experience it before, so that
Speaker 4: when I am managing one hundred million dollar budget, a
Speaker 4: billion dollar budget, you know what I mean, I really
Speaker 4: know how far a dollar constructs, and I know when
Speaker 4: someone's playing me, you know what I'm saying. But imagine
Speaker 4: the Kim that gots to burn her way at ten
Speaker 4: million dollars gets to one hundred million dollars and it's
Speaker 4: burning fifty, you know what I'm saying, Like versus the
Speaker 4: Kim that gets one hundred million dollars and it's profiting fifty.
Speaker 4: Very different story, very different business, very different founder. And
Speaker 4: so I'm looking at this as like a blessing in disguise,
Speaker 4: you know, a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3: You can't be.
Speaker 4: The version of your stuff that you're envisioning without going
Speaker 4: through the rough patches.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to remind yourself that when you're in
Speaker 1: the rough patch.
Speaker 3: What are you made of? Show me what you're made of.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, girl, grit, resilience and like you service,
Speaker 1: Like I know who I'm doing this for. It's for
Speaker 1: ba fam, you know, it's at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And you do you what do you call us your customers,
Speaker 1: CURL mixers.
Speaker 3: Crol mixers, Yes, my Crol mixers.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Like it's not just me and my ego. It's like
Speaker 3: it's it's bigger than that.
Speaker 4: So one of the things I'm a little with right now, right,
Speaker 4: I had to like scale that one of my ads
Speaker 4: at some point, and so I was like, Dave, I
Speaker 4: cut off my ass.
Speaker 3: I want making money. And I was like, well, no, Kim,
Speaker 3: you have a mailing.
Speaker 4: List and there are thousands people in your mailing list,
Speaker 4: and so if you can't get those people to purchase them, Like,
Speaker 4: why do you mane to buy more emails?
Speaker 3: What do you need more money to get more ads
Speaker 3: to buy more emails?
Speaker 4: You should figure out how to get the one hundreds
Speaker 4: of thousand people on your list to buy. You only
Speaker 4: need four thousand, and you have over four hundred thousand
Speaker 4: on your list, Like what does it take? And I
Speaker 4: was like, Oh, this is old school customer service. This
Speaker 4: is me getting very targeted with my email segments. Talking
Speaker 4: to people in New York about things that they care
Speaker 4: about in New York, talking to people in Atlanta about
Speaker 4: the snow in Atlanta, talking to people like you know
Speaker 4: the customer, where they are and what they're thinking about.
Speaker 4: It's not about spray and preying. I any money to
Speaker 4: put into ads, And that's when I was like, oh
Speaker 4: and I had like with the ads off, I had
Speaker 4: like a ten thousand dollar day with no ads on
Speaker 4: from email marketing and SMS market and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this is really showing me what's possible without having any
Speaker 4: money and I think we have to think like that.
Speaker 4: If you're starting now, you have to think about starting
Speaker 4: with nothing. Think about, okay, I can't get money from
Speaker 4: somebody else to start. If I have my product in hand,
Speaker 4: then you should be posted on social. If you don't
Speaker 4: have your product in hand, you can start to go
Speaker 4: fund me and still post on social and let everybody
Speaker 4: know that you're raising for this product that you're building
Speaker 4: and tell them why you need and why.
Speaker 1: So Special posted a career reboot challenge and it was
Speaker 1: such a great and I was really tracking the data.
Speaker 1: I like woke up from a funk and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm really getting into my digital marketing bag. I am
Speaker 1: going to you know, really heavily promote this this challenge.
Speaker 1: I want to make like ten thousand dollars or whatever
Speaker 1: my goal was. And it was astounding to me how
Speaker 1: much more effective the email marketing was. And I was
Speaker 1: like spending a lot of money on social, not spending money, sorry,
Speaker 1: spending time, you know, creating social posts, but just simply
Speaker 1: asking my current audience who has already like invested in
Speaker 1: me and signed up for my list, to like. The
Speaker 1: conversion rates were just so much higher over email and yes,
Speaker 1: there was some conversion from social, and I mean social
Speaker 1: is really important for like getting that cold audience and
Speaker 1: warming them up and like interact, maybe they'll be customers
Speaker 1: in six more months, but like without that many chat
Speaker 1: feature where people can comment a word and then they'll
Speaker 1: get a lead gen like get a lead magnet, like
Speaker 1: a freebie or whatever, so I can get their email.
Speaker 1: Like that to me is the like how those two
Speaker 1: go hand in hand because I got to get that email.
Speaker 1: I have to have it. I'm trying to get that
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand lists like like you did. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you did that, but I raise money, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough money?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, that is where all of my money
Speaker 4: is in my assets now.
Speaker 3: So I have to figure out how to squeeze the
Speaker 3: orange to get some orange juice, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I just appreciate you coming on BA and
Speaker 1: just you know, taking time out of your busy, busy
Speaker 1: schedule for the Pa family. Oh it's we'd love to
Speaker 1: have you on the show. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Kim.
Speaker 1: So people can find you at curl mix dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can buy her products at curl mix dot com
Speaker 1: or at your local Altahaty store. Yes, see anything else
Speaker 1: you want to say to BA fam.
Speaker 4: If they don't carry it in your ulta, just tell
Speaker 4: the store manager so they can all be like, oh
Speaker 4: they we need curl mixing me curl Mix.
Speaker 1: That's wondering you do this amazing brand called curl Mix.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kim, thanks for joining BA Okay v a fan,
Speaker 1: We're back. It's time for one of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: of the show, which is Brown Boost or Brown Break.
Speaker 1: Mister Chris Browning, I just clicked for me that your
Speaker 1: last name has brown in it, and it's just all
Speaker 1: so serendipitous.
Speaker 2: Full circle. That's the only reason.
Speaker 1: Sinding at the brown table with the Brown.
Speaker 2: Break on brown ambition.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of ambition, all right. What you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: You're gonna boost a break? Oh?
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm going back and forth on this,
Speaker 2: but i'msa say I'm gonna stay on the positive side.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a brown boost, okay, And you know,
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go with I told you about this.
Speaker 2: With the move and everything like that and trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how to get the steff done. I tried
Speaker 2: out of service because moving can be expensive, right, and
Speaker 2: I've been on those people. It was like, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna move myself. You know, I can lift. I can
Speaker 2: lift some boxes of furniture. I got a brother, my
Speaker 2: dad will come out there. I got friends. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but my dad's old. He's he's he's seventy one. Now
Speaker 2: I think I've used up all my friend requests for moving.
Speaker 2: I've done.
Speaker 1: I've had my four or five not in our thirties.
Speaker 1: But we're not doing it for a free slice of pizza.
Speaker 2: Nope, right, because I'm definitely wasn't paying my friends. They
Speaker 2: weren't getting any money for me. Yeah, yeah, a glass
Speaker 2: of water and a handshake. But now I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what I need to pay someone? So actually
Speaker 2: B was the one who told me about a move,
Speaker 2: about an app that exists. It's called Lug. It's a
Speaker 2: lug with two g's at the end, and then you
Speaker 2: do on demand moving services. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how this works. And so I
Speaker 2: gave them a shot, and I'm gonna say it still
Speaker 2: was expensive. I was hoping I didn't. You know, you
Speaker 2: never know how much it's going to cost a move
Speaker 2: for you less. Oh yeah. My quote was like, wo'll
Speaker 2: be about four hundred dollars. I was like, that is
Speaker 2: amazing to move my.
Speaker 1: You know, from LA to SF.
Speaker 2: Oh no, this was just to move my stuff from
Speaker 2: my place to what I had left was to my parents.
Speaker 2: So they got like some of my furniture because I'm
Speaker 2: like the hub for my brother to pick it up,
Speaker 2: and then for a couple of friends to grab some
Speaker 2: things from them, and then then my parents want to
Speaker 2: keep some of it. So it was like like that
Speaker 2: type of thing. So it wasn't too maybe like eighteen miles.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it was that far away.
Speaker 2: It was like more of I got like a twenty
Speaker 2: thirty minute drive, so I was like, this is reasonable. Well,
Speaker 2: when they get there to move stuff, it ended up
Speaker 2: taking way longer. And then I expect that I should
Speaker 2: have known because I had like a giant refrigerator, had
Speaker 2: to get out of it, had to take the door
Speaker 2: off the hinges of the apartment to get the refrigerator out.
Speaker 1: Always got to be a door, got to be unhinged
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 2: I had to like go get an extra U haul
Speaker 2: truck to help out because when I got was too small.
Speaker 2: All these things, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I get the bill and it was like about eight
Speaker 2: hundred dollars was a total cost. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 2: a lot. It was more than I thought, but I
Speaker 2: guess in the grand scheme of things, eight hundred dollars
Speaker 2: to not have to lift all that stuff myself and
Speaker 2: moving back and forth and unpacking and reback all this
Speaker 2: stuff I got say, it was a lot, but my
Speaker 2: body is thaking me for not doing that because that
Speaker 2: would take me a lot longer.
Speaker 1: And papers. If you got it, you know, then that's great,
Speaker 1: But damn, eight hundred dollars and it wasn't even that far.
Speaker 2: You sure it's a booster, you know, now I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about maybe it's a break. It's a boost and a
Speaker 2: break at the same time. It's a boost to my body,
Speaker 2: a break to my bank account.
Speaker 1: But you got to like, yeah, but eight hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: you're right for your like your physical health and the
Speaker 1: health of your relationships, because your friends would really resent
Speaker 1: you for asking them to move to help you move. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but that's just it's one of those expenses you really
Speaker 1: don't want. You don't think about it until you absolutely
Speaker 1: come down to the last minute and you're like, damn, it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about how I'm getting this great apartment,
Speaker 1: but it's going to cost so much just to get there,
Speaker 1: and it's almost important to like budget for that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, really should and I don't think I did a
Speaker 2: great job of like pre planning the expenses for this.
Speaker 2: I think in total, between the moving costs, I gave
Speaker 2: them a tip. I rented a car to move some
Speaker 2: of my things up there to San Francisco. I lded
Speaker 2: my boxes and tape. I probably spent somewhere around fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred to two thousand dollars in that ballpark for everything.
Speaker 2: And that's just I didn't really, in my mind expect
Speaker 2: that cost. I should have. I should have known better,
Speaker 2: but I didn't for it, so it ended up coming
Speaker 2: out of my savings. So now that it's turning more
Speaker 2: into a break because I'm like, huh, I should have
Speaker 2: planned better. I should have been a little more on
Speaker 2: it and ready for those expresses instead of just being
Speaker 2: like it'll be all right.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy that we've given you some space to
Speaker 1: really think about your choices and like do the right thing.
Speaker 2: It's like when your therapist just let you talk and
Speaker 2: then you eventually like, oh, Okay, I see it's the worse.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm paying all this money just to listen
Speaker 1: to myself and you're just gonna be like all right.
Speaker 1: I had a boost and then I forgot. I got
Speaker 1: to think about it, and what did I tell you
Speaker 1: it was going to be earlier?
Speaker 2: I think with the boots because you were so excited
Speaker 2: that I was here again, even the way you insult me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, not that. Absolutely you know why you
Speaker 1: think it.
Speaker 2: I also have to say, you know, I did get
Speaker 2: a message. The ba fam has been amazing, so welcoming.
Speaker 2: I got so many like great messages and comments from people.
Speaker 2: But I did get some comments and feedback when people
Speaker 2: were like, Maddie is treating you so bad?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: What asked up to you? I can't believe that she
Speaker 2: talks to you that way.
Speaker 1: Chris h I'll tell bad right, amm poor little baby.
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. He's a man, he can take it.
Speaker 1: Take it. Y'all better leave me alone by leaving him alone. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: I know what I wanted to do. So do you
Speaker 1: know the rugby player, the famous one Ilona?
Speaker 2: I think Mayer somebody, yes, the best person on social
Speaker 2: media during the Olympics. Yes, I know exactly who that is.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes. So she came out to be
Speaker 1: this huge star after the Olympics and then she was
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars, which I like watched a
Speaker 1: little bit of and she did really well. And anyway,
Speaker 1: she was doing an interview because she's back to playing rugby,
Speaker 1: and I think the interviewer was like, have you ever
Speaker 1: had imposter syndrome throughout your career? And Ilona just kind
Speaker 1: of goes like, oh no, I don't have that. I
Speaker 1: don't have imposter syndrome. I think I deserve everything I've got.
Speaker 1: I think I've earned it. I think I've worked really
Speaker 1: hard and it all makes sense to me. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: next question. And this clip has gone megaviral and it's
Speaker 1: pissed some people off because it really makes people uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to hear a woman be like not apologize for being
Speaker 1: successful or not appear humble about being successful. And I
Speaker 1: just I'm really I'm boosting it because I think it
Speaker 1: was a message that I am always open to hearing
Speaker 1: and being reminded of. And I love seeing women like
Speaker 1: power for women just stand on business and be like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't actually have to qualify this or
Speaker 1: make you feel more comfortable about it in any way,
Speaker 1: I'm going to acknowledge that, yeah, I did the damn
Speaker 1: thing and that I've earned you know what I've gotten,
Speaker 1: and I just I just loved it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean because it's nice to see, right, because
Speaker 2: they I think people want to force, especially women, to
Speaker 2: be humble, right, and you're like, well, there's not it's
Speaker 2: not a lack of humility to say I work hard
Speaker 2: and my heart were paid off. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like I shouldn't be accomplishing what I accomplished. I think.
Speaker 2: I think especially that's like a very compared to the
Speaker 2: way we see some people who come up as very
Speaker 2: like what are you talking about? Like it's an off
Speaker 2: putting form of like bragging, where this was just more
Speaker 2: like you respect it. It's like, yeah, we all respect
Speaker 2: this hard work, and you should be able to claim
Speaker 2: it that way without being ashamed of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean as a dude, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me, but I feel like early
Speaker 1: on you start hearing as a woman, like so much
Speaker 1: about imposter syndrome and how we should expect it and
Speaker 1: how to overcome it, and like, there's plenty of thought
Speaker 1: pieces on is imposter syndrome even real? But it's so
Speaker 1: part of the culture now, even as we are starting
Speaker 1: to dismantle it, it's so a part of the culture
Speaker 1: that it just like, let's remind ourselves that, like, we
Speaker 1: don't have to choose to buy into that whole idea
Speaker 1: that what we're feeling when we walk into rooms that
Speaker 1: were not built for us is like an imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1: We have to overcome it, like it's not our fault,
Speaker 1: it's not our doing that these like rooms were not
Speaker 1: built with us in mind. So of course we're gonna
Speaker 1: feel a little out of place, but it doesn't take
Speaker 1: away from the fact that we are qualified and we
Speaker 1: are capable of doing the work that we want to do.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Alona, and shout out to every
Speaker 1: other badass woman. I feel like Serena Williams walked so
Speaker 1: that Ilonas of the world could crawl. Wait, I feel
Speaker 1: like I I'm so tired. Flip that and reverse it.
Speaker 1: Put the thing out, flip it and reverse it anyway.
Speaker 1: And yeah, So shout out to Eilona, Shout out to
Speaker 1: all the ones before who have said something similar, and
Speaker 1: I hope that y'all we all get to a place
Speaker 1: where we can just stand on business and stand on
Speaker 1: our heart earned success and everything that we got we
Speaker 1: did it by working hard. So that's where we're going
Speaker 1: to leave you guys, BA Fam, Thank you so much
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