WEBVTT - Episode 356 w/ Joe Budden 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:18.560 And his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary Queen's rappers. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.919 He hain't segreed. Is your boy in R He's a 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.280 Miami hip hop lioneer one up his dj e FN. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.840 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:32.000 players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.040 one source for drunk back drink Chess motherfuckers New Year's Eve, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.160 that it's time for drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuck mother? 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.760 What did goold bevis? Your boy in R E one 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.839 up his dj e FN and liten a tip of 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:55.040 crazy War radio Drink Champs the yard Cat makes up 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.440 now his brother here. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest and uh, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:10.320 he's one of my favorite personalities. He's relentless, he speaks 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.039 his mind. Uh, he hurts people feelings. Every time we're 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:22.320 togethers we're hurting somebody's feelings. Um, your brothers try to 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.480 count him out. You you people try to to to 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:34.119 to They tried to but this mother Virgo Virgo game 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:40.640 from he's his his his, He's from q J Queen's Jersey. He's, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.640 like I said, he's relentless. Um, everyone, if you know 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.720 this man, you actually know he's one of the greatest 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.200 guys are heart. But if you don't know him, Oh, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.960 I understand how you think he's I can understand it. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.919 Get he's one of my close friends. I love him dearly. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.400 He's he's, he's he he's. Like I said, we even 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:09.720 took some of his platforms, uh page tactics. Yes, because 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.560 he knew what this was for a lot of us 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.720 knew what this was. And I've been damn if we 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.920 ain't gonna give him his flowers, and we're gonna give 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.919 him his flowers yesterday, We're gonna give him flowers today, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.519 We're gonna give his flowers tomorrow. And in casey I 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.120 don't know who were talking about, we told about the 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:32.520 one and only motherfucker's old that let's give him slower. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:38.560 Let's give a slow right now. I might have to 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.320 steal this little trick, y'all. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.239 I stole your trick. I'm gonna be honest. I came 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:50.040 into Joe Joe's um a show and they had they 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.799 had chalkboards. I was so hated. Wait a minute, it 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.320 was like they had ship written down. Yes, but that's 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.720 in our mind, we have that, but we have been 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.679 off some of the guests. You say that sometimes some 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.799 of the guests get offended when I go like this, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.480 They're thinking, I'm um like answering the text, but I'm actually, Hell, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.799 you're looking up your note. Yeah, I'm looking up. You 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.520 gotta stop unlocking your phone. That makes it even worse. Yeah, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:19.239 but it's bad. I mean I look at it like 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.280 if I'm watching because we watched TV, right, we're consumers. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.840 I'll see some money on my TV doing that, or 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.000 when I was doing it in views, it's a rapper, right, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.919 if the nigga in front of me opened up and 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.040 started doing like a little I'm gonna get tight. Yeah, okay, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.880 I'm gonna get But but recently we just this is 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.280 brand ass, fucking new. Chris Rock, you called Real Smith 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.839 a bitch. No man, that was nobody here calling you Joe. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.720 It was, certainly, but I love the shout out, like, 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.400 what what do we do? What do we? What do 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.080 I mean? I don't agree what none he did, but 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.920 I'm not gonna call another man. I'm not gonna do that. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.000 But but Chris Rock said, y'all did that chance y'all 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.200 as the last platform. No, but I love the way 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.320 he named it because he put us in the rapper category. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.320 But no, we did not call you a bitch. Yeah 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.120 we did, we did, but fuck we would like to 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.800 shut up. But Joe, this is a fucking Joe. This 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.360 is a fucking lifetime rumor. To have memes about it 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:32.240 a lifetime rumor in my life at least. Is it 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:37.400 true that you asked jay Z to get on pump 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.520 it Up? He said give me two hundred and fifty thousand, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.080 that's the rumor. That's a rumor because I didn't personally 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.200 ask him. I couldn't. You couldn't. I couldn't personally speak. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.920 Did you go through web? Okay, So the rumor is 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.200 you asked him for two hundred and fifty thousand. No, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.160 I asked him for a verse verse and he asked you. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.560 But you didn't ask directly. You're saying, yeah, I think 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.040 he said to Skan, I was outside probably, and then 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.360 that's like you for people that don't know, it's desert storm. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:13.600 That storm were very powerful guy, Skan Dollar, very powerful dude. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.000 U uh on the close right hands man, he was 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.760 actual shout Skant Skan. So the rumor is because I 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.960 seemed to mean the other day right there was like, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.680 this is how I believe. They credited it to how 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.080 petty jay Z is. They said, this is how petty 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.440 jay Z is. They said that jay Z you asked 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.640 jay Z for a verse. Hove said two fifty. You said, no, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.240 you went on the rant. This is what they said 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.280 you went on. They said, you're classic Joe Button rants 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.840 and then classic jay Z style. He went and did 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:51.080 a freestyle on your beat. No, I didn't. Where could 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.280 I go on a rant at I don't know. At 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.960 the time. I didn't go on a rant at the time, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.600 I was so young that with your audio, you're good. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:12.360 At the time, I would say, I'm professional. No, at 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.200 the time, I'm not ran nowhere. I don't even know 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.080 how to how to receive that. I just know that 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.600 I don't have two hundred and fifty grand. I think 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.120 Webb put the battery in my back to let me know. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:23.440 You know you're gonna love him. Do that now, you 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.680 gotta get the studio right now now, even to this ship. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.720 So where'd you get this rumor? From the internet? From 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.320 the internet, and he knows all parties involved sat here 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.960 in this see very close and spoken about it. I 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.320 admire how you get to sit here and bring up 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.320 when people sit here, you get to bring up all 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.520 the dirt you ever heard in life about the hear 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.159 I've just seen this nigga probably talking about twenty years 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.440 ago and the humorous, nonchalant man, and you know what else, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.960 I hate him. I can't you could even ask that 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.560 when you get to talk about jay Z like that, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.400 like you know Tove and you get to say Penny. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.719 I tried not to talk about none of them because 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.680 I don't want the call. No, I ain't gonna litch you. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.720 I'm being honest. Getting the jay Z call it is 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.000 not all cracked up to be yo. Know that ass 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.960 he will check you like I'm being honest. I'm being honest. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.040 If I see the whole call, I don't like really 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.400 pick up fast. I'm what did I do? You got 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.520 to prepare yourself? The engineers has what did we say 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:35.480 last week? Like we're in the clare what's up? And Yo? 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.240 The fucking Pallid album had dropped in August? It must 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.680 have been whenever that Guards did drop her. You know, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.680 my co host we all huge Hove hand fans, but 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.680 my coals is like me before I met him, Like, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.240 oh that's jay Z. So we was having an argument 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.040 on the pod like I don't think that's the best 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.440 best bird that ever done. Right. Well, I did that 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.560 part and then went to fucking somewhere for my birthday. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:06.440 I flew to where was I at? Mikonos somewhere I 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.800 don't even crazy. Yeah, broke niggas here. That's grease. Sh 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.280 he just named. No, no, no, that's not grease. You're 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:21.000 not a part of that game. Who edited that part? No, No, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.160 I was too Meconos. That's not grease. That is grea 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.640 is grease. Okay, gotta continue. But anyway, I gotta text 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.000 that morning from and I just didn't think it was 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.320 to wish me happy birthday. Ja. I won't talk about 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.000 the text, but no, we don't talk. Yeah, yeah, Jay, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.880 I don't want nobody to ever text me from the industry. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.439 I want to just kind of do my gig and 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.400 stay in my bubble, right because you know, you know, Joe, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.839 that's something that I may about you. Is Me and 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.040 my one one of my close friends, sonny D, were 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.200 riding on the car here and he said, one think 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.360 about Joe. He's not gonna hold his tongue. It's funny. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.280 I think I hold my tongue a lot from my 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.800 outside of looking in shit. But if I really told 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.480 the truth, they would have they would have killed me, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:20.280 reader because one of these rapping because Serain was he 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:21.959 always want to piece some shit up, get out of you. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.000 It was so with you on Charlomagne. Nothing. We just 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.520 hate each other, legitimately hate each other. No, it's not. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.839 It's not a real head. So hold on, did he 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.000 just say nothing? We just hate each other. I thought 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.760 that was the most craziest. That was the nillest. Shit 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.959 on you, but not shit on you? World. No, I'm 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.200 not shitting no nobody because you're independent. Yeah, but I'm 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.680 partner with. I'm partner with But like you, would you partner? 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.680 What a title? I would? I had those conversations early. Okay, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.839 I had a lot of conversations. Huh um who you 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:07.520 had commost with? Excuse me back? I love this energy, y'all. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:14.720 Don't get this word energy. I'm chilling getting Anyboddy nah Joe. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.760 So let's just be real good. No, let's be real bro, 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:23.400 because let's be real bro. No, let's be real. I'm 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.640 not gonna lie. Joe, You're monkey foot in the game. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.559 You got these motherfuckers. They don't know what to do, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.559 and you are with you because you you you in 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:44.720 Jersey fly his crib. Look at our ship. We gotta 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.480 step it up. I like the racket man. When would 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.439 we gotta we gotta go do his part, Me and 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.520 you together. Open invite for y'all on the water, Open 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:04.000 invite for y'all. Sexy. It's candles burning in my mind. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:08.160 He was wearing a silk outfit back and they smoke outside. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:13.840 It's no smoking and doors. Yeah, Joe, you winning, Thank 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.559 you man, as are you guys? No, no, no, no, 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.360 it's about you you. Let's make let's everybody in this 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.360 place makes the noise for my motherfucking brother, Joe. But 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.400 this is why I love podcasting a little more than rapping. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.839 It's because we could just do this. But really, is 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.880 we being ourselves? And that's what's the most remarkable thing 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:45.599 about your show, your platform. Is you really just being you? 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.920 I love it. I love it like I kid you 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.240 not like you could probably watch my ship and I 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.760 can watch this ship and you'd be like, that's just 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.640 who he is, and you just be how does it 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.240 feel to win being yourself? Amazing? It feels amazing when 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.280 people are shocked that your joke won't give me an album, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.559 Like when people are shocked by my resistance to that 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.679 idea to making music. Yeah, they just don't understand how 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:17.200 liberated it feels. I wake up, I go down the street, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.800 I talked to my friends, and then I go home. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:28.319 Right twice a week, right, like, really, really sit with that. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.520 I've seen Styles just said something recently, or it was 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.240 reposted that the most freeing thing that he ever did 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.520 was to get into the juice business because it freedom 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.079 from the music industry. We all love him. I love 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.320 that about Styles. He's one of my rapper inspirations, right, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.280 like the people older than me, how they got liberated 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.360 and how they went about it. I'd like to see that. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.760 So I'll tell y'all a funny secret. I used to 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:58.280 hate Styles. That's a funny secret to me too. He 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.600 was not a good guy back in the day's. Styles 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.480 was not a good guy. I went from like like 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.719 kind of like hating Styles. I would give Styles the 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.079 keys to my apartment right now, the keys to my 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:16.240 COMMU condo keys. I wouldn't go like this. I would 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.360 throw it without even looking at it. And that's what 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.240 I'm saying. That's that's that's how the evolution of hip 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.959 hop is. It's so beautiful to see people grow. It's 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.720 so beautiful to see Joe buttons coming here. I don't 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.240 even know what color that is, sir, that is bank 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.800 that you are looking very fly, voluptuous. Let's make some 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:46.800 noise for him looking like Miami. Damnit. It's playing ching 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.720 loto ching being solo on y'all nigga. So we're gonna 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:58.240 I'm supported yeo. You've been in themistus the fire call 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:03.240 a lot. You're gonna get us niped? Yeah? Uh? And Joe, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.360 you you want some self of water? Ya okay, yeah, 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.120 get some sels of water, Joe. And let me get 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.640 one of those red cups too. Where you hiding that 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:16.959 man that we have? We have ron Issy here, I 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.240 saw no no no no no no, no no no no. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.760 I posted a picture you saw that I supposed to 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.440 do that you're not supposed to do about it about 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.520 violent all around. He tried to put you, to be honest, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.480 it's jp for with j J sent me the picture. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:43.880 I was like, I look, fly, that was some real 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:49.160 kid ship. But anyway, um, the ogs they sit around 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.040 and they come with their old their own cup. Is 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.760 that something that you're involved with bringing your own cup 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.880 when you go to places. I travel with a coffee 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.920 cup normally, so it's mind in his cup. Huh, this 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.640 is when yours? Was it? No? Oh? I thought it was. No. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.960 I just asked for a rep cup and they had 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:17.240 two of them. Right, So all right, we're leaving the 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.200 rap game, right, yes, Joe? And how is how is 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.840 this position in podcast world presented to you? It is someone? 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.840 It was? There was no position presented to me, so 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.920 so how how did you discover it? Which? Which are 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.240 you talking about? Doing this? You're doing podcasting? Yes, he 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.040 hadn't been doing digital content. Yes, because as long as 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.640 I can to you, I'm not gonna lie to you 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:43.920 long time. But presented to me. Listen to that, no doctor, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.600 that sounds like the Luminati campy oh damn? Well yeah, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:54.440 early on because Combat and unpresented a situation before you 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 even knew that there were situations to be presented, and 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.760 that just wasn't my cup of tea. So yeah, no, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:05.640 I presented into twenty We started in twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. Yeah, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.320 twenty fifteen, February seven with the podcast. I started my 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:14.320 podcast February TV first, right, yeah that wait wait, wait, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.400 that's two decades ago. You know, I'm thinking that's around us. Yeah, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.480 but but I felt like Joe far Apart. No, but 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.160 I felt like Joe buddon TV felt like starting. Yeah. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.160 I guess we're going back to how far you were 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.040 doing content? Yeah, and y'all are going back to if 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.960 we're going back to the early days of content. I 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.840 worked at High ninety seven and oh four. I want 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.680 to say, remember that in two thousand and ten, I 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.520 had my own solo show that I was just uploading 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.480 the iTunes called this is My Fucking Show That was 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.160 in twenty ten, and that more so it was just 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.560 like a practice rehearsal and just speaking by yourself and 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.480 by myself, and it was uploading that. Joe buddon TV 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.000 we started that, and I started that in two thousand 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.440 and seven, two thousand and six full o gr here. Uh. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.840 That went as long as it point, and that you 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.360 were monetizing or was it just it was no monetizing 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.320 in two thousand and seven, there was no monetizing. You 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.840 had to be down with that came and oh nine, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.080 and then when I've seen Missing Foe and low Key 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.200 and all of them, you had to be down with 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.359 a gang to get monetization. I forgot. I forgot what 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.399 the name of the gangs were. Yeah, I thought I 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.680 was blowing it up. He blowing it up, but I 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.800 don't mean to. But I mean, once you find out 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.600 that there's coin to be had and you start to 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.560 make calls, and you see how protective people were over 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:41.080 the different avenues, like because it was limited, yeah, very limited. Uh. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.560 And at the time when I started my podcast, like 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.800 there was nothing to be presented because what was anybody doing? 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:53.080 Wasn't Peter Rosenberg at first like trying to um monetize 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.640 you like he was trying to like he was trying 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.480 to produce me. But I'm difficult to produce because you 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.840 you don't only a person who could produce you a producer. Yes, 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.639 that makes sense. So I'm you know, I'm watching to 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.440 see what you produce, and if you're not producing, then 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.840 I can produce that producer. Can we get some switches? Please? 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:19.040 I'm not saying that because Rosenberg saw a talent and 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.320 acted on an idea I believe he was right. I'm yeah, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.040 he clearly was right. So I'm not saying he wasn't producing. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.680 I'm saying at the time, my idea of producing and 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.440 his idea of producer may not have been the same. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.479 He might not have known how to produce me at 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.320 that time. But it just it just wasn't there then. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.240 It wasn't there, you know, to talk about and shout 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.840 out to Rosenberg. I never wanted to deny him of 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.920 the part that he played, the part that anybody played 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.800 in my journey, my past, my path, my road to today. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.600 I don't ever want to discredit or sound like I am. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.160 I love that. Let's make some more that I hold 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.440 hold up because I think it's important to note that 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.879 you weren't monetizing early on, but you were. You were 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.600 going hard digit in digital content space. Yeah, it wasn't cool, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.960 It wasn't possible. Didn't looked like you knew. It looked 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:12.960 like you knew from the outside looking in. I'm sorry, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.600 it looked like you knew what you was doing. You did? 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.639 Did you know I knew what I was doing creatively? 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.960 Did I ask your creatively only? No? Yeah, And you 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.920 knew that it was doing something. It was giving you 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.520 some kind of not return, it was financial return, but 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.240 there was a return for me, like like for drink Chams. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.000 We did XM before the merger and then serious XM 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.399 for like two or three years. Yeah, I always forget 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:37.800 if it's two or three or what. But we did. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.959 If someone say, when I say militatement, crazy royal, right, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.240 that's what we're talking about. That that we had a 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.920 whole another show in my studio in South Miami. We 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.000 had him a whole another show and we made no 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:48.960 money off of that. It was a weekly show. We 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.639 had a DJ a mixed show part of it. And 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.479 it's and it looked and sounded just like drink Chat. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.399 But if you go look at it on YouTube right now, 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.800 it's drink Chance without same. It's just without drink Chat. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.800 So that's why I credit you. You know, I'll talk 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.960 about you like this when you're not around. I credit 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.160 you because you said he said to me, we don't 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.520 have to change nothing, And I was like, if that 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.480 didn't work, why would we do something that didn't work, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.600 And he was like, it's because we didn't see the people, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:15.919 Like he didn't get to the people that they were 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:22.399 supposed to work with, and you're right, So at what 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.360 point did you get to you? It's like fan fuck 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:33.400 Rory and mall damn bro because you just cut them off. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:38.440 It was like, let's go. You were just like Joe 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.560 Button Show. Now it was it was. I was like, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.960 thank god, it's not called nor show. What was it? 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.879 It was? It was called name that podcast. Later than 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.080 the nigga said Joe Button Show. You gotta know that, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.280 But that's not true though, don't care. But I changed 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.879 the name of the podcast long before, for long before 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.680 my previous goals left. Okay, like I want to see 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:11.880 the name. Damn I don't jesus, it got real. Um. Yeah, 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.680 when I was trying to figure out, I couldn't get 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.880 over that fifty thousand hump. And I couldn't figure out why. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.600 Like this is twenty fifteen, year one. I remember saying 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.160 to my coals, Yeah, why can't this thing? My goal 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.639 for next year is to get this thing over fifty 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.159 thousand listeners? Is this is ridiculous. But every time you 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.760 went to search, you couldn't really find much because it 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.880 was called I don't name this podcast. Later, I tried 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.440 to do the initials acronyms. I tried everything, but it 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.399 was like the last thing I wanted thought to do 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.480 or wanted to do was named my shit the Joe 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.640 Budden Podcast. Right, But there's an equity that your name 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.520 carries in this business. So I run into that problem 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.760 quite a bit. My last album was called Raging the Machine. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.040 I did at A rap did the whole thing, A 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.480 rap music, A rap, A rap did the whole thing. 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.560 I wanted us to be called a group. I wanted 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.720 did us to have a group name and put the 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.119 second album out under that, Yeah, that's what I wanted 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.920 to do. Joe Rap. Huh like Joe Rap, that's the 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.760 group something something like that. Um My distributors at the 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.760 time just didn't see that. Because my name had an equity, 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.280 there was a value and that. But for a long 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.600 time I tried not to use the name Joe Budden. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.119 It's funny they call me a narcissist. I see how 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.440 it looked that with him. But but it worked. The 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.080 second at that we changed it to The Joe Budden 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.879 Show or the Joe Budden Podcast. You could see the 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:46.960 gradual growth from things were easy to track now things were. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:51.240 It helped it helped tremendously. But when it seemed like 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.879 that might be a problem for my co host, we 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.760 added their name. We added in it it said the 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.760 Joe Budden podcast featuring Blink and Blink. Rorry almost said that, 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.879 so so because this is a famous clip, Um, I 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.600 want to say, famous clip of a mall right, and 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.800 he's saying, well, don't talk to me like that. I 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.920 want respect, I want and and everyone seems the things 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:17.680 that that's that's about you. You know this clip that 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.120 I'm talking about, all right, Well, it's a clip where 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:26.280 he goes, um, he goes, uh, well this certain people 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.600 can't talk to me like this, and I just won't respect, 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:31.800 he said. So he said, I don't care about the 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.520 bag because some of my closest friends are broke, and 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.600 it's it's all over the internet and everyone always not 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.680 my internet, not your internet, everybody else in that problem. 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.600 But um, so, how how how is that because you 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.920 see these guys, um, you guys make a separation with 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.280 regardless of what and they go and make this other podcast. 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.159 Is this something that you're you're giving a blessing to 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.879 or there's something like when at the time, at the 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:05.760 time that all that was going on once were not 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.440 associated anymore. Everybody's free to do whatever they wanted to do, 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.120 right right, And it was solely over the name, over 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.040 the calling it the Joe bunden Pocket. Were talking about 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:19.760 two different things. So what was why changed the show? 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:21.520 Like why I changed the show? And I'm gonna get 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:26.440 to the show now. But um, like, what was what 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:31.760 was the was it the nail that broke the back? What? What? 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:37.560 What was it? The separation when they when we finally yeah, 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.240 why why was it? Um? The pub the version that 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.800 went to the public is that I was stealing, that 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:49.560 you were stealing? Yeah, Why did I hear the opposite? Oh? 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:53.040 They no, no, no, they thought I was stealing. They 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.200 said that you were stealing. Yeah, fudging number. Are you 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.960