1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Politics, policy of perspective from DC's tough name. It has 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: to end. It ends now. We are sick and tired 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: of bringing headlines about crime, whether they're mass shooting, the 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: loss of a teenage girl or a thirteen year old. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: It has to stop. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio, coming to you live from Bloomberg World 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Headquarters in New York, where we are learning more about 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: today's subway shootings in Brooklyn, a story that's made its 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: way around the world since it happened during the morning 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: rush hour. The suspect is still at large. There's a 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: man hunt underway right now. We've heard from President Biden 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and from the authorities. The headlines from Brooklyn actually hit 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: right around the same time CPI came. It was right 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: after eight thirty in the morning Allah rush hour. So 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: even more incredible that none of the injured were said 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: to have life threatening injuries when we first heard from police, 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and again we are standing body here from them at 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: any moment now we expect the next briefing. President Biden 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: was briefed on this early on today and he just 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: delivered his first remarks on the matter, which you heard 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: live on Bloomberg Radio. He was in Iowa to talk 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: about energy prices, and before he got to that, here's 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: President Biden, Jill and I, my wife Jill and I 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: are praying for those who are injured and all those 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: touched by that trauma. And we're grateful for all the 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: first responders who jumped into action, including civilians. Civilians who 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: didn't hesitate to help their fellow passenger and try to 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: shield them. My team has been in touch with Mary 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Adams and New York's Police Commissioner, and the Department of 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: Justice and the FBI are working closely the NYPD on 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: the ground. We're going to continue to stay in close 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: contact with New York authorities, and as we learned more 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: about the situation over the coming hours and days, brief 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: remarks from President Biden that we wanted to make sure 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: you heard. As we now welcome former New York City 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: Mayor Bill de Blasio. Mayor, it's good to have you. 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: If you were still in the office right now, what 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: is it you'd be asking Washington for. Well, Joe, I 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: can tell you, first off, the most important thing right 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: now is to get the people of this city to 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: understand myp is gonna find this individual. The NYPD's ability 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: to find people who have perpetrated this kind of crime 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: has gotten stronger every year. Uh, they have a lot 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: of evidence already. They're gonna get this guy. And it 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: looks like a lone actor, thank god. And it looks 46 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: like everyone who was afflicted is going to come through. 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: But in terms of where we go from here, what 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: we need from Washington is helped stemming the flow of guns. 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: There's no question it got worse during the pandemic, and 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: we gotta be honest about it. Before the pandemic, New 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: York City, thank god, had made a lot of progress 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: getting a gun violence down. But the pandemic create a 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: host of problems, and one of them was the free 54 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: flow of guns that intensified in the last two years. 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: We need stronger federal efforts to cut those off before 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: they ever get into big cities like New York. We 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: still have a lot of questions, of course, to answer here. 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: I wonder what questions you're asking, why was it at 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: this location and if this was a lone wolf, mayor 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: how that kind of informs this investigation. You know, all 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: of our minds go to the same place when we 62 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: hear about something like this, But this could be as 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: someone who had uh mental instability, who had a personal vendetta. 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: This could be a lot of different things. That's exactly right, Joe. 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. In Seen we had the horrible bombing 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: and the Chelsea neighborhood, the pressure cooker bombs. In Seen, 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: we had the pipe bomb in the Times Square subway station. 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: We're not strangers to this in New York City. What's 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: amazing is how tough and resilient New Yorkers are when 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: they experienced something like this, how they overcome it. But 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: what we learned each time is we've got to first 72 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: ask is there something bigger going on? Is there a 73 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: network of people, is it a loan actor? Was it organized? 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: Was it spontaneous? We gotta got all those answers right 75 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: now does look very much like an individual and very 76 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: much of an amateur um. But what we then have 77 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: to ask is what would motivate someone? And often it 78 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: is a mental health challenge that got unnoticed, unaddressed. And 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: this gets to something which I have to say, the 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: pandemic has been awful, but the pandemic has raised awareness 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: of mental health challenges like nothing that I've ever seen before, 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: and I hope we're gonna get more serious as a 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: country that if we want to stop violence, one of 84 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: the most elemental things to do to make mental health 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: support available early in people's lives and make it easy 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: to get and destigmatize it. Because the root is so 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: much violence is unaddressedment. It's got to be part of 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: the solution here. Obviously with regard to what we're learning today, UH, 89 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: mayor this idea that all of the surveillance cameras in 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: that subway station we're malfunctioning. Uh does that sound familiar 91 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: to you? What what's going on with that? How many 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: stations are in that situation? Well, Joe, I was really 93 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: worried when I heard that, because, you know, years ago 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: you could say about the m t A here in 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: New York that they really didn't have any money and 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: they were up against the wall and tons of uh 97 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: deferred maintenance. But now with the influx of the stimulus 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: funding and hopefully congestion pricing coming soon behind it, which 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: will provide real stable revenue, we can't let something like 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: that happen in the future. With those security cameras, they 101 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: help in so many ways and I gotta tell you 102 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: part of what part of why the NYPD has been 103 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: more effective than ever in our history at finding suspects 104 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: within hours. In many cases, it's because of the presence 105 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: of video and they know how to use it, uh 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: in different ways now than they used to. It has 107 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: become a very powerful tool. Mayor. I just wonder if 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: did anyone ever call you when you were mayor to 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: let you know about this. Oh, we definitely absolutely hurt 110 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: individual instances video cameras that weren't working, and always would 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: try and pursue getting fixed. But I think there's something 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: bigger at play here. It has to be considered an 113 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: essence of public safety in our subways to have those 114 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: cameras working consistently. And again it's not you can't say 115 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: it's lack of moneymore give credit to the stimulus. There's resources. Now. 116 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: This is one of the things that's going to give 117 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: people reassurance to get them back to normal life. Back 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: issue they know those videos are working. That's the issue. 119 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Is that the reluctance that people already had you know 120 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: about this, this was this is how you how you 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: ended your turn, was talking about this in the age 122 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: of COVID people wanted to get in the car instead 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: of getting the subway. This is not going to help 124 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: them come back. What does the current mayor what do 125 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: authorities need to do to help reinstill confidence in the system. 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: I think Eric Adams has done a great job already 127 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: of focusing on public safety and giving people a message 128 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: of real confidence that this is going to be fixed, 129 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: and putting in place some of the right strategies, including 130 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: a lot of police presence wherever we see a focal 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: point and the problem. I think the m t A 132 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: needs to match that by making sure the physical reality 133 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: is there to support our police, so getting those you know. 134 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: I think it should be very, very transparent at this point, Ampta, 135 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: you should say exactly what's going on with those video 136 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: cameras around the system. They should acknowledge where there's gaps. 137 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: It should show us the timeline for fix him. They 138 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: have the money now, thank god. And I think when 139 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: people realize the video came is gonna be there thirty 140 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: five thousand police officers, finest police force in the country 141 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: and more and more good everyday, hardworking people coming back 142 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: to the subways that actually also nyp' say this that 143 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: contributes to safety having just every day people come back. 144 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: I think that combination moves us forward. So how do 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: you look? You want to get more police officers on 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: trains and in stations right that are walking the beat? 147 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Is that a political challenge for a democratic administration as 148 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: we come off the season of defund the police. I 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: know President Biden increased police funding in his but he 150 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't speak for all Democrats. Joe. The thing that 151 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: has to be remembered about New York City with thirty 152 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: five thousand officers, and they are literally the best trained 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: they've ever been in the history of the NYPD, the 154 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: best technology that's ever been available. Um, you can do 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of good, cover a lot 156 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: of ground with that kind of force. What we've always 157 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: seen works precision policing, focusing where the need is greatest 158 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: uh and neighborhood policing, which means bringing the people into it. 159 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: You know what, when folks are really engaged in support 160 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: of a police and there's a sense of shared admission, 161 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the amount of information the police get that way, the 162 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: amount of support that helps them solve crimes and even 163 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: prevent crimes. That's the key. We saw that pre pandemic 164 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: our our crime levels were down to the levels literally 165 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: you haven't seen since the nineteen fifties. We can get 166 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: back to it, but we've gotta be very clear about 167 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: where the central problem is right now. People gotta need 168 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: some reassurance in the subways that says officers into subways 169 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: for a period of time, that will bring more law 170 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: abiding people back, and then you get that virtuous circle 171 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: of the covering. Does that does that need to include 172 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: a marketing campaign? And I'm not being cute here, uh 173 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: as we spend time with former Mayor Bill de Blasio. 174 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Once this is solved, does there need to be an 175 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: ad campaign? Does there need to be something forward leaning 176 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: so people know that there are changes being made. I 177 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: think you're right on point there, Joe. We you know, 178 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: when we were coming back from COVID last year, we 179 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: did a big campaign with the message there's no stopping 180 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: New York and it was all about the energy, uh, 181 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: everything you could experience here, the reasons to re engage 182 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: this city for both residents and visitors. Absolutely what. I 183 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: keep doing that because we gotta turned the corner once 184 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and for all. I think we are turning the corner 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: on COVID and the bigger scheme of things, and that's fantastic. 186 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: This will be the year where we turn that corner, 187 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I think for in terms of everyday life. But we've 188 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: got to send people a message new York City open 189 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: for business right to you know, really to take off again. 190 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: You know the tourists are coming back. We can see 191 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: that already. You know international trial is gonna come back. 192 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Let's show people very visibly that we're turning that corner. 193 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: And I think that little burst of confidence goes a 194 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: long way, because look, New Yorkers love this place and 195 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: and people from all the world want to re engage 196 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: it again. We got to give him every reason too 197 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: for New York City, Mayor, build a BLAISI appreciate the 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: time today, Mayor, thanks for being with us on Bloomberg 199 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: sound On. As I turned to the terminal here subway 200 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: shooter at large as police shift focus from terror, We're 201 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: gonna bring you to Brooklyn next. My colleague Creedy Gupta 202 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: has been in the field all day since shortly after 203 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: this happening, has been bringing us great firsthand reporting ever 204 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: since this morning. She'll be with us next to walk 205 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: through what's going on there. We are standing by for 206 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: a police briefing. It has been indefinitely delayed. So I 207 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: can't tell you when that's gonna happen, but when it starts, 208 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: we'll have it for you right here on Bloomberg Fastest 209 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: Hour in Politics. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're 210 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on 211 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. New York police have delayed the news briefing 212 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: that was scheduled for right now. It has been delayed indefinitely. 213 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: We may have just learned why, as you heard from 214 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett. Just now, the Associated Press is reporting that 215 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: New York Police have located the van, a U haul 216 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: van that they were seeking here in the investigation of 217 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: bomb squad is on the way. They're citing a law 218 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: enforcement source on this. Nothing official right now, but of 219 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: course we'll let you know as soon as we learn anything. Uh. 220 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: I want to go to Brooklyn, though, Let's go to 221 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: ground and find out what's happening in the neighborhood. There's 222 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: been a lot of people on TV and radio today 223 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: talking and talking. Very few of them have been where 224 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Creedy Gupta has been though, right there at the scene 225 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and watching Creedy has been an exercise in good journalism 226 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: today with a lot of great firsthand reporting and we're 227 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: delighted to have for with us now, Creedy, thanks for 228 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: coming back to talk to us. This latest development here 229 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: may well be the reason why we are not getting 230 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: this news briefing at the moment as anyone talking about 231 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: it at the scene. Yeah, well that's the assumption, right, 232 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: because we were supposed to hear from the police department, 233 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: from the Police Commission recently. I believe it was scheduled 234 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: for five pm. Is not delayed about twenty minutes um 235 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and counting. And a lot of that is simply according 236 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: to sources, perhaps that you you are seeing the connection 237 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: of the U haul. It's unclear though what the rented 238 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: van actually has to do with the gunmen or what 239 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: connection there is. It was reported that there would be 240 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: an error on a license plate on it, and it 241 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: would of course have something to do with gunman. Remember, 242 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: there's also other pieces to the story that are still 243 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: being found, for example things for the crime scene. For example, 244 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: high caliber magazines essentially the rounds that you put into 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: an actual gun. This is what mean that the guns 246 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: could actually fire more rounds than a traditional gun would, 247 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: so that was interesting. Gun outer fireworks as of course, 248 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: and it's shammed gun as well. So these are all 249 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: pieces of the investigation that are slowly coming together. Of course, 250 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: a manhunt is still underway. There's no update on actually 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: finding the shooter himself, just these pieces of it, and 252 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: those are going to be the updates we expect to 253 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: hear in the press conference when it does happ Where 254 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: were those weapons found. They were found on the subway platform, 255 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: so it's right there inside the station, in that same 256 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: area where we're seeing the videos of people streaming out 257 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: of the car. Uh. Do you have a sense of 258 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: whether they have him on video. It's unclear that they 259 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: have him on video. I mean, there are pieces of 260 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: social media. One of the concerns that Mayor Eric Adams 261 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: had had spoken out about was that when they tried 262 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: to look into surveillance cameras inside the actual subway station, 263 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: turns out it's they were malfunctioned. So there's still a 264 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: preliminary investigation of whether this is this subway station specifically, 265 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: or a broader camera wide outers that goes into conversations 266 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: about infrastructure within New York City. UM but that's really 267 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: what's being held right now. For now, the only footage 268 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: really comes from social media videos that are still being verified. 269 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: We've got a man hunt underway. You described earlier police 270 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: knocking on doors. Uh, we understand that they have been 271 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: trying to gather surveillance video from not only uh, the 272 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: m t A. And I realized now we've learned that 273 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: the cameras were not working inside the station, but they're 274 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: going to local businesses as well. Can you tell us 275 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: anything else that that we we might need to know 276 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: in terms of, for instance, what areas they're looking in. Yeah, 277 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: well they're not just looking at NYPD, for it was 278 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: not just NYPD. I first I should say that that's 279 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: looking into it. They've also have, uh, the manpower of 280 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: the FBI. They also have the manpower of counter terrorism 281 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: units as well. Even though it was made very clear 282 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: in the first pressure that this is not considered an 283 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: act of terrorism, just an active terror some some very 284 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: specific language when it comes to that. Of course, they 285 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: do believe that the gunman did act alone. As far 286 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: as knocking on doors, yes, they did initially start on 287 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: on local businesses. There is an entire row of restaurants, 288 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: right outside the subway station, all of which remained open 289 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: during this entire thing. You could actively see questioning of 290 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: those restaurant owners of custom mer that were inside there, 291 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: But for now it's not clear if they were really 292 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: able to get anything out of it, just given that 293 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: the events really took place underneath our underground I should say, 294 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: in the actual subway station, as opposed to the street 295 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: that we're lined up on Crety. You've been great to 296 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: illustrate what's actually going on in that neighborhood. It gives 297 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: people a sense of of what's really there for folks 298 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: who might not know New York or or certainly know 299 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: Brooklyn specifically. At one point there was a twenty block 300 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: radius that had been shut down here obviously there Uh, 301 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: they were sheltering in place for some time as well. 302 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Are things getting back to normal at this point, and 303 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I'll ask you specifically about that high school. Yeah, they 304 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: are actually going getting back to normal. To your point, 305 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: there's twenty block radius, and when you started to see 306 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: the doors being knocked, they expanded that to about seventeen 307 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: blocks around the direction. That's really all the residents that 308 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: they were trying to target to get more information as 309 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: far as the school there is for our radio and 310 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: listeners who were not tuned in earlier, there is a 311 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: school that is right next to the Bloomberg subway station. 312 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: For the most of the day, that school and three 313 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: others in the area were actually excuse me, given a 314 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: shelter in place order. Uh. And this really just lasted 315 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: throughout the day until about three o'clock when they were 316 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: all essentially escorted out by police into school buses and 317 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: safely transported home. And that was one of the big 318 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: concerns at the time with an active gunment, how do 319 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: you actually release children from school. They did cancel after 320 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: school activities and it's unclear if weather school will resume tomorrow, 321 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: but for now it seems like those children have been 322 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: taken care of safely. I suspect that's great to hear creedy. 323 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: I suspect that when police do finally brief this is 324 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna be a rather comprehensive conversation with so little information. 325 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: I think maybe what three or four questions were answered 326 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: the first time around, So I were expecting a lot 327 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: more when they speak today, right, We're expecting a lot more. 328 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: We're also expecting account on simply who was injured and 329 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: what the ramifications were. The last number we have was 330 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: from the fire department and that was around at the 331 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: twelve o'clock press and it was about sixteen people were injured, 332 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: ten of them shots, five of them in critical condition. 333 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Reports and store have still said that number has climbed 334 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: to as much as people, ten of which were discharged. 335 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Whether those numbers are actually true, we will come to now. 336 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: In the Suscott we have had some noisy numbers around today. Cretive, 337 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: thank you, Cretty, thank you so much. Cretty grouped Alive 338 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: from Sunset Park in Brooklyn has been doing such a 339 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: great job for us today with on the ground firsthand reporting. 340 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: Stay with us on sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. This 341 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. Thank you for being with us on Bloomberg 342 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: sound On. I'm Joe Matthew in New York. We're here 343 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg World headquarters today and it has been a 344 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: day to think that everyone woke up thinking they'd be 345 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: covering an inflation report. It has been far from and 346 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: we want to talk to an expert now as we 347 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: wait to hear from authorities. Once again, it will not 348 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: likely be this hour. In fact, they've they have delayed 349 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: the briefing scheduled for five pm Wall Street time, indefinitely. 350 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: Jamil Jaffers with US, director of the National Security Institute 351 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: at George Mason University's Antonin Scalia Law School. Former Senior 352 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: Counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence under 353 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: Chairman Mike Rodgers, where he led the committees oversight of 354 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: n essay surveillance, among other issues. Also served in the 355 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Bush administration Associate Council to the President, handling the Defense 356 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: and State departments and intelligence communities. So this is the 357 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: person we want to talk to, Jamail, Thank you for 358 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: being here. Can you give us a sense of what's 359 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: happening right now behind the scenes? As a local police 360 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: department here in New York, of course, not like many 361 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: local police departments, engages with the federal government, the FBI, 362 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, and the counter terrorism experts that work 363 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: in the intelligence community in Washington, d C. They need 364 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: each other to figure this out, don't they. Absolutely? You know, 365 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: I think one of the key things that I think, 366 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: particularly early on and maybe less so right at this moment, 367 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: that they were trying to figure out, is was the 368 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: terrorist attack? If so, are there other potential attacks underway 369 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: or being prepared. Um is to say, coordinated operation from 370 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: what we can tell all right now, and it's still 371 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be determined because we don't 372 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: know who the actual suspect is. But the fact they 373 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: found a suspect, they've identified, they believe it's one person. Um, 374 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: as far as we know, what happened here was a 375 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: one off event, terrible with sixteen people injured, including including 376 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: ten shot five and critical condition. Um, you know, what 377 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: we're seeing here is likely a criminal act. Uh, it 378 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: may have some terror motivations, maybe a solo terrorist attack, 379 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: but doesn't look it's a larger operation. So I think 380 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: what they're now trying to do is deconstruct. Okay, where 381 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: is this person? How can we find him? How can 382 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: we stop him from engaging any further violence? And then 383 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: go to motivation, What was causing this? What is he 384 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: planning on doing next? So they're in right now communication 385 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: with as you say, the FBI, other law enforcement agencies, 386 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: and the Department just to figure out, Okay, what are 387 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: the next episode? How can we leverage federal authority and 388 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: federal power in this region? Even though the europe d 389 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: is a very very capable, the most capable police department 390 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: in the country. Were you surprised to hear from the 391 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: New York Police commissi and here so early on that 392 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: this was not considered an act of terrorism, that it 393 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: wasn't being investigated as such. What We've all made a 394 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: lot out of that because we have so little information 395 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: right now, but it seemed awfully early to make that declaration. Yeah, 396 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard to know what what they 397 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: based out on other than the fact that it was 398 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: at the time it was a one off incident from 399 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: what they could tell, And I take that to mean 400 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: that at least at this time, they weren't investigating it. 401 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, they could have changed that at any point 402 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: in during the process um and updated it. But apparently 403 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: now given what they now know, we don't know who 404 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: the suspect is, but given what they know about the 405 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: suspect and the reported van, it sounds like they've determined 406 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: at least for now. And again, you never know that 407 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: there are solo lone wolf type terrorists that might be 408 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: motivated by something online or recruited online and and the like, 409 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: But this, at least as of now, given what what 410 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: we're hearing from the commissioner. Um, that is not what 411 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: this appears to be, at least for now. As you 412 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: you you you talk about the lone wolf here. As 413 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: long as this person is on the loose, as long 414 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: as this man hunt is underway, you can hit er 415 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: another attack. An important risk that we should be acknowledging absolutely, 416 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: And the reason why is one, he may have a 417 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: motivation to go do more harm to more people. He 418 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: already obviously put a significant number of individuals, innocent people 419 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: at harm for no clear reason. But beyond that, you know, 420 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: as he's approached by law enforcement, as we saw in 421 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: the case of the Boston bombers, which was a terrorist instant, 422 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: right the Boston Marathon bombers, when they engage their getaway 423 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: from the police, there was a lot of there was 424 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: a lot of shooting and stuff going on in that 425 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: environment too, and people can get shot in in the 426 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: takedown as well. And so I do worry that as 427 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: long as he's on the loose, and and it is 428 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: sort of trouble, you know, to say, with so many cameras, 429 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: the camera not functioning the subway station, what about all 430 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: the cameras on the streets, Why don't we have good video. 431 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they do right, and hopefully they do. But at 432 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: this point, you know, now is the time for them 433 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: to be locking it down. Mayor Eric Adams new to this, 434 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: responding uh effectively. But but you know, in in a 435 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: in a challenging situation, having coronavirus himself stuck at Gracie Mansion, 436 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: I did think immediately having coverage, uh, the aftermath of 437 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: the marathon bombings, the investigation and the man hunt. I 438 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: remember that night when Watertown police came across these guys, 439 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: they were throwing explosives at them. You know, we're talking 440 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: about undetonated explosives in the subway station. Uh. What kind 441 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: of a force does New York City Police put in 442 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: the field or is that being handled by federal agents? 443 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: Do you suspect, you meal, well, they may be doing 444 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: in cooperation with the New rop D. I mean, look, 445 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: in a situation in New York, the NYPD likes to 446 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: have control. And let's be candid, the FBI understands the 447 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: capabilities and the training NYPD brings to bear. Um CEMYPD, 448 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways is very similar to a 449 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: federal agency in the sense both in terms of their size, 450 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: but also training and skill sets and and the kind 451 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: of equipment they bring UH to one of these incidents. So, 452 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: whether it's the FBI or the NYPD or them collaborating, 453 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: which is the most likely scenario along with potentially other 454 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: other law enforcement agencies, UM, I think we're likely to 455 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: see a fairly strong UH and large scale response to 456 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: wherever they identify the states suspect they spent the suspect 457 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: to be. And I think they'll be prepared for a 458 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Boston marathon type situation, particularly given that they know this 459 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: person planned out this attack. He had a gas bask on, 460 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, set this UH, the smoked the device off. 461 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna be prepared for somebody who's who's prepared to 462 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: respond to them and fight with them before they take 463 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: him down. I'll ask you lastly, Jamie, I only have 464 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: a minute. I I also remember, specifically that night they 465 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: put out the photos of the suspects in Boston. That's 466 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: what led them to essentially be drawn out. If New 467 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: York City Police, if the FBI identify this individual, should 468 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: they get his face and name out there? I think so. 469 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the one of the best 470 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: things we can leverage the people in New York and 471 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: there their unhappiness and their frustration, their legitimate anger with 472 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: this act to find this guy and and and capture 473 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: him before he doesn't need further harm. Great conversation, jamale 474 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much. Jamiale Jaffer with US, director 475 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: of the National Security Institute at George Mason University. As 476 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: we try to answer a lot of questions here without 477 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: very much in nation, and as we have been reporting, 478 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: police are slowing their role on the latest briefing, as 479 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: we now have reports that they have located, according to 480 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: a source speaking to the Associated Press, a U haul 481 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: van that they are seeking in this investigation of bomb 482 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: squad is on the way, but we're not entirely sure 483 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: of exactly what the connection is. Will assemble the panel 484 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: next on Sound On, I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. 485 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg You Sound On with Joe Matthew 486 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. The Fastest Hour in Politics continues with 487 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: the panel. I've been looking forward to this too. We 488 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: haven't heard from Genie all Our and Chapin is with 489 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: us as well. Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Chanzano Chapin Fay, 490 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, former press secretary for then Governor George Pataki. 491 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: We're bringing in all of the New Yorkers today, Jennie. 492 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: We've talked about this a couple of times. We got 493 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: into this in the early hours of this story unfolding 494 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: on balance of power. There our political implications here when 495 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: you start talking about a Democratic president who held an 496 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: event just yesterday on gun crime and a Republican party 497 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: that really wants to hang street crime around the necks 498 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: of Democrats in this midterm election cycle. What does this 499 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: story due to that narrative? You know? And I would 500 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: just add to that, and a Congress so that not 501 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: just this Congress, but going back years that no matter 502 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: how many mass shootings are experienced in this country will 503 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: not act. And that's what we're looking at. And I 504 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: don't think, unfortunately, anything's going to change. I think Republicans 505 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: will run on Democrats being weak on crime, yet they 506 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: will persist in not supporting legislation for common sense gun control, 507 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: and Congress will not be able to move forward. But 508 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: this is not just a Democratic or Republican story. This 509 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: has been the story of the US Federal Congress for decades. 510 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: Actions occurred at the state and local level on this front, 511 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: not at the federal level where it's desperately needed. Jena, 512 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: what is the messaging going to be coming from the 513 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: Republican Party? This does change the tenor of the conversation 514 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: here when you add something tragic like this, uh to 515 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: the story. Obviously Republicans need to be careful the way 516 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: they handle this. Yeah, I think the messaging is going 517 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: to be the same that it has been for two years. Crime, 518 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: especially in New York and in major cities across the country, 519 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: is spiraling out of control, and here in New York. 520 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: One of the main reasons is one party rule. I mean, 521 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, Jenny mentioned common sense solutions, but you know, 522 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: there's no debate, there's no argument, you know, Um, there's 523 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: no Republicans seved the table. Democrats for the last two 524 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: years have been talking about defund the police. Uh. You know, 525 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: AOC who's you know, a spokesperson for the left uh 526 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: and a prominent New York elected official. Since you wants 527 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: to abolish the police altogether, you've also got a Democratic 528 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: president though that increased funding for police. So is that 529 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: an easy argument for Republicans to make I think so. 530 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Joe Biden, uh, you know, he 531 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: probably should get credit for that, but he's not getting 532 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: credit for that. You know, crime is not going in 533 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: the right direction. Um. You know, increased funding is a 534 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: good thing, of course, and he should get credit for that. 535 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: But you know, you have you know politicians new York stand. 536 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just stay from the city council 537 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: got more left. The state legislature is super majority Democratic's 538 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: going more and more left every every day. Um. You know, 539 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: bail reform, it took years for them to make these 540 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: minor adjustments to it, and it still isn't even fixed. 541 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: And they're trying to act like they've you know, um, 542 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: saved the day here in New York. Um. But these 543 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: tragedies are occurring over and over and over. I mean, 544 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: we just got through um, you know, slain police officers 545 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: funerals and having you to watch those families you know, 546 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: grieve and New York's New Yorker's greeve, and now we 547 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: have today's um events and it's going to keep happening 548 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: to do with perception, right, Genie, this is Look, if 549 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: this turns out to be a lone wolf who had 550 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: a mental deficiency, maybe a personal vendedia. So I think 551 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to anything to do with democratic polity. Sees, 552 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: what if people don't feel safe and they see headlines 553 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: like this, it doesn't matter, does it. It doesn't matter. 554 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean this is you know, there are basic things 555 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: that a government needs to do, and they need to 556 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: protect us and our security internally and externally. And so 557 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: that has got to be the major, you know, focus 558 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: of the administration. And you know, give Mayor Adams credit. 559 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: He came in and that was his promise, and he 560 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: has said over and over again, judge me on how 561 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: safe I keep this city, and so he is trying 562 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: to move in that direction. We've heard a lot today 563 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: from Commissioner Sewell. One thing I would just raise. I mean, she, 564 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, to her credit, said she was concerned about 565 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: the policies of people like the Manhattan d A Alvin Bragg, 566 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: who was talking about stopping prosecuting low level offenses. These 567 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: are the kinds of debates that need to be had, 568 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: and they need to put in common sense policies that 569 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: keep New Yorkers and people across the country safe. And 570 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: we heard President Biden saying his state of the Union 571 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: fund the police, and that is what the Democrats are 572 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: trying to make the case about, and the debate needs 573 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: to go forward on that front. I want to ask 574 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: you about Governor Hokel here as well. Genie, this isn't 575 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: just a Joe Biden. My gosh. The White House has 576 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: actually had very little to say and little to do 577 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: with this, as we discussed the political implications. This is 578 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: uh an important day for Kathy Hokel, who was there, 579 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: was at the scene for that briefing and spoke earlier 580 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: to reporters here she is the people of the entire 581 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: state of New York stand with the people of this city, 582 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: this community, and we say no more, no more mass shootings, 583 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: no more disrupting live fool voters believe her, you know, 584 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: I think they will believe her intent, but she is 585 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: facing what a day Kathy Hokel is facing with the 586 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: arrest and the resignation of her lieutenant governor. So she 587 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: has had a really difficult day. I think they believe 588 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: her heart is in the right place, but she has 589 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: to keep the city safe. And when you have a 590 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: lieutenant governor who's resigned because of corruption, that's another example 591 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: of crime and she's going to have a show that 592 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: she's in control of the city in the state, and 593 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that in just a moment. What's 594 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: your take on that chapin in terms of New York politics, 595 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: not not so much national, but in Albany. What does 596 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: this mean for Kathy Hokel? You know, I think it 597 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: it really shows gross incompetence, however you slice it. I mean, 598 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: this guy was obviously not vetted, so at a minimum, 599 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: it shows that, you know, this is a huge unforced 600 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: error on her part, and Republicans since UH their strongest 601 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: chance ever at victory, had taken the government. We're talking 602 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: about the resignation of for Lieutenant governor, right and I 603 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: we will get into that in terms of this crime, Sorry, 604 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 1: sorry not at all. How much look this was this 605 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: could have been an opportunity for her to show up 606 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: there and and and get her voice on this early, 607 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, plant the flag on this issue of crime 608 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: in New York. But are people going to buy it? 609 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: It's hard to buy it when you're seeing what's happening. 610 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: When the news is the twenty four hour new UH 611 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: channels now are running, um, you know, just what happened 612 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: in the city today. And of course this is you know, 613 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: crime is like a lagging indicator here, right, So no 614 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: matter what the legislature does, it's going to take time. 615 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, Eric Adams did get elected on addressing crime, 616 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: and the jury is still out. I mean he may 617 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: be very successful. I just don't see that happening over 618 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: the next couple of months. Uh, you know, at a 619 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: at a minimum. And and also to your point about 620 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: you know it doesn't matter, it's it's really the optics. 621 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people, subway ridership has already at its lowest um. 622 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: They try to put more police on on on the 623 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: on the trains to help, and you know this is 624 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: certainly not going to help. I mean even just the 625 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I live in Brooklyn, even just the streets in my neighborhood, 626 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: which is not really close to where it happened, there 627 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: are noticeably fewer people on the streets. People aren't even 628 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: leaving their apartments because of this. So it's you know, 629 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, it's a real problem that 630 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: needs to be addressed. But the optics too, Right, even 631 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: if the city becomes safe, people may not feel safe 632 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: until months that How do you feel at that moment 633 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: and now you add Brian Benjamin's who Genie's point quote, 634 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: I have accepted Brian Benjamin's resignation effective immediately. This is 635 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: coming from Kathy Hokel as a bad day gets worse 636 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: while the legal process plays out. She writes, it is 637 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: clear to both of us he cannot continue to serve 638 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: as Lieutenant governor. Uh. This is all over the terminal 639 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: if you want to read about this. Benjamin pleading not 640 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: guilty to bribery, having been indicted for allegedly funneling illicit 641 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: donations to one of his past campaigns. My goodness, Genie, 642 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: how did Kathy Hokele not know about all this? That's 643 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: going to be the question, you know, however it happened, 644 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: and you just reported a good for Kathy Hokel that 645 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: he has resigned already. That's the first step here. But 646 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: she's got to get her arms around this. She's got 647 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: to get rid of him what she has done. But 648 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: he may still be on the ballot for the primary, 649 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: which is a problem for her. It's I am talking 650 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: to people, and I would love to hear what japen 651 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: Is is thinking about this. I have talked to many 652 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: people who said he will probably likely still beyond that ballot. 653 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: She's then got to think about replacing the lieutenant governor 654 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: for a short period of time. Who's going to want 655 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: that job at this point? And then of course she's 656 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: got a show take on the legislature, show that she 657 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: can handle crime, both white collar and violent crime. That 658 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: is a tall order. And you know, and let's just say, 659 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: New York, Um, this is you know, corruption, run a 660 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: monk in New York. You look at the numbers for 661 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: people who don't live here. We have had nine of 662 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: the last sixteen or sixteen, so it's a majority of 663 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: our governor's, lieutenant governors and the controls attorney generals have 664 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: had to resign or been indicted for criminal activity. It 665 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: is a you know, ranked now before, Illinois is the 666 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: most corrupt state in the nation. And that's not not 667 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: a good sign. Speaking of perception, there a chap and 668 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: we have a problem, no question. I mean, you know, 669 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's just perception, right, we 670 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: have all legit problems with corrupt with corrupt elected officials 671 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: in New York. Um. And I'd like to say it's it's, 672 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, just a Democrat problem, but I think um, 673 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: it's by pars and just in New York there are 674 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: so many more Democrats and Democratic elected officials, it just 675 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: affects them more. So there's a you know, just sheer numbers. 676 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a certainly a perception problem for 677 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: the governor. Um, as you both had mentioned before. You know, 678 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: she's trying to run on you know, fixing the crime problem, 679 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: and you know her lieutenant governor just got arrested. UM, 680 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be it's gonna be a major prom 681 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Republicans already sense victory, you know, and are working very 682 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: hard at it, and this is only going to you know, 683 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: embolden them more. And you know, the voters are going 684 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: to take a look at what's going on, and I 685 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: think they're just gonna throw their hands up so bad 686 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: for the party of power. Does Kathy hope they need 687 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: to stay out in front of this investigation as long 688 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: as it is an open one. I think she does. 689 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: And I would just add to that, she's not only 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: facing um, you know, a lot of you know, a 691 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: tax if you will, from Republicans. She's in a in 692 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: a pretty tough Democratic primary as well. And we heard 693 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: today from some of the people running against her, describing 694 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: her as lacking experience, poor judgment, not vetting properly. So 695 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: she is in a primary, she's going to be hit 696 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: there and then in a general election. And this is 697 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: somebody who served seven years as lieutenant governor and who 698 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: took the job very seriously and now has this as 699 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: sort of this you know, burden on her, on her back, 700 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: if you will, with her own lieutenant governor. An incredible 701 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: day in the news. This is why we have Genie 702 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: and Shapen to help us understand it and have a 703 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: sense of what we should be looking for ahead. Our 704 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: coverage on the situation in Brooklyn will continue. That's why 705 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: you're here at Bloomberg for the facts and some of 706 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: the best reporting in the business. I'm Joe Matthew. This 707 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg