WEBVTT - Do You Know Where Nigeria Is? Neither Does Your Government. 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks, it is Friday, July thirty first, and

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<v Speaker 1>can you find Nigeria on a map? Don't worry, neither

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<v Speaker 1>can your government. And with that, welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ on what is you can't make

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff up? How perfect is this story and that

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<v Speaker 1>we have now on an international stage, Tropes done something

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<v Speaker 1>that goes right in line with what people think about Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all don't know nothing about geography.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we confirmed just that whole stereotype of dumb Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>All we know is what we know and where we're

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<v Speaker 2>from and our state. We don't care about the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. Well, yeah, that was pretty much proven

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<v Speaker 2>on an international stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is obviously my favorite story today. If you folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about around morning run. But here is the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line. International AIDS conference happens every year. They move

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<v Speaker 1>into different locations. This year is happening in Urrio, in Brazil.

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<v Speaker 1>Robes US State Department official is given a presentation to

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<v Speaker 1>all those people gathered. Obviously, we know a disproportional amount

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<v Speaker 1>of the devastation and the impact that HIV and AIDS

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<v Speaker 1>has on the world happens in Africa. We understand. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's making a presentation. Robes puts up a map in

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<v Speaker 1>which he shows en lists several countries, shows where those

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<v Speaker 1>countries are, and showed the proposed contribution in financial dollars

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<v Speaker 1>that the US is going to make. Everything sounds fine, great,

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<v Speaker 1>honky dory. What is the problem with his presentation?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this big map, this huge visual display of

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<v Speaker 2>where we are going to put our funding to help

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Africa. We actually designated seven countries that

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<v Speaker 2>we're proposing to help fund sounds good to battle HIV

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<v Speaker 2>and AIDS. The problem is the so those seven countries

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<v Speaker 2>that were shown, along with the amount of funding were

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong places or along the wrong borders. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're not just talking some of them or one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single country, seven countries, every single one of them

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<v Speaker 2>was miss labeled.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for seven, we didn't get one right. At an

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<v Speaker 1>international conference in which leaders from African countries were gathered,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States made a presentation and had countries mislabeled

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<v Speaker 1>or in the wrong place or with the wrong outline.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Robes, this is embarrassing, and it sends an embarrassing

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<v Speaker 1>message about how much we care. We didn't even care

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get your countries right on our map.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. Either we look dumb or indifferent or both,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the problem. I actually think we look both.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we really did confirm both of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just put this into perspective. Imagine if you

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<v Speaker 2>put up a big map. European leaders are there, you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about whatever funding, and you've got Germany listed as

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<v Speaker 2>the boot of Italy. You've got Italy where France should be,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Ireland where Spain should be. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be outrageous. People would be up in arms. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be impossible. But that's exactly what happened. But just

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<v Speaker 2>the continent was Africa, not Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Roads. You're one of two. You're you're ignorant or you're

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole. We are ignorant assholes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to be two for two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how this happened. The State Department tried

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how this happened. But there were seven countries. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest. You put this in front of most people,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you could. Most people would be able

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<v Speaker 1>to pick out seven countries on the continent of Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I agree with you. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>most people could do, but I'm not even sure I

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<v Speaker 2>could do it. I can do a few.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, we are not ripping anybody for not knowing that.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem here roads is that if you give me no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even need two minutes. Give me forty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>and I can confirm before I make a presentation if

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<v Speaker 1>I got the countries right.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, if I'm going to render a map, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to double check, because the truth is, honestly, the African

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<v Speaker 2>continents specifically names change, countries, border shift. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely country where that does happen more often than

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<v Speaker 2>maybe on other continents. So that would make you even

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<v Speaker 2>all the more aware of needing to double check what

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<v Speaker 2>year was this map made versus where we are now.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, you would hope that you would check, confirm,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe even double confirm that you had the map

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<v Speaker 2>correct before you make a huge display and stand there

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the leaders of said countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Bless his or her little heart, the person that puts

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<v Speaker 1>this together, and we do not want to look. A

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<v Speaker 1>mistake was made. Obviously a mistake here was made a

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<v Speaker 1>huge mistake. And before we even give you the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to how the mistake was made. You're probably already thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of how it was made. We'll explain in just a second.

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<v Speaker 1>The countries themselves, Nigeria, Robes. It was shown on this

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<v Speaker 1>map by the State Department at this presentation. It was

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<v Speaker 1>shown as a landlocked country in the Sahara, in the Sahara,

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<v Speaker 1>you know up there.

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<v Speaker 2>With the desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's shown as a land locked country in the Sahara.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually though it's sub Saharan, much farther west, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>along the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it has a water border. It does have, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Ivory Coast. The map that the State Department used it

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<v Speaker 1>was shown also as landlocked and in the southeastern part

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<v Speaker 1>of Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you this is one I would have known.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually along the western coast of Africa. I said coast,

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<v Speaker 2>so western Africa and on the coast. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>is what I actually can visually see. I guess because

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<v Speaker 2>there was so much maybe because we were maybe this.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoever was responsible for this is of a certain age,

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<v Speaker 2>because there were so many headlines about the Ivory Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been to Nigeria, so I had that.

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<v Speaker 1>And have you watched the World Cup. I mean there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of reasons that is so true.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the equivalent of labeling Oregon as being Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>They're that far off on the map. It's hilarious. Mozambique,

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<v Speaker 1>it was shown on this map by the State Department

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<v Speaker 1>as landlocked in the eastern part of the country in

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<v Speaker 1>the Horn of Africa. That's in the north eastern part.

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<v Speaker 2>You said northeastern, correct, it was, yes, because Mozambique is

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<v Speaker 2>actually in the southeastern part of Africa and again on

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<v Speaker 2>the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, they were both eastern.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, that's just in opposite directions. That might be

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<v Speaker 2>the equivalent of Washington State and I guess California.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one Cameroon. Cameroon was shown west of Nigeria

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<v Speaker 1>on this map. It was shown as being west of

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<v Speaker 1>Nigeria and not bordering Nigeria but to the west of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the State Department.

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<v Speaker 2>Map, all right, But the actual location of Cameroon is

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<v Speaker 2>that it borders eastern Nigeria and once again is on

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<v Speaker 2>the coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the two they kind of got close to Malawi

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<v Speaker 1>and Uganda. They were in the general right area, but

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<v Speaker 1>the borders were all messed up. So it wasn't correct. Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what the border of your country looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what the border of your state looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I can reckon I have Yes, Arkansas is tattooed

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<v Speaker 1>on me. You might not be able to recognize well

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<v Speaker 1>you know of course now, but some people might not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's your state. My point is those country leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>they know country borders look like like you like people. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you have tattoos of it. We have T shirts are

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<v Speaker 2>made of state borders. It's a thing. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a part of your your national or your perhaps state pride.

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<v Speaker 1>Home.

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<v Speaker 2>People have those T shirts and then it has the borders.

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<v Speaker 2>So as people might discount that like, oh, big deal,

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<v Speaker 2>they got the borders wrong, it does. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal that that's like part of the identity of

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<v Speaker 2>your country. Your borders are just a part of how

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<v Speaker 2>it's a recognition. It's so when something's off or completely

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<v Speaker 2>misdrawn and in the wrong location, that's jarring.

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<v Speaker 1>And offensive, and it's offensive. It's offensive. God bless her.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Andrews. I never drope to this day. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many years it was. She was at an

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas football game, and she called them the Arizona Razorbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and almost never forgave her because that was I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>that the pride in that that, Wow, we have this

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<v Speaker 1>national stage and you're not going to get the name

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<v Speaker 1>of mine. Look, it was a little flub, It was nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>no big deal. She knew she was standing in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>And conflated that I'm saying it to me as your point.

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<v Speaker 1>I took it so personally and was offended in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Robes that had to be ten who that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny and you still remember and still.

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<v Speaker 1>So to your point to be sitting there and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not even getting no boort. That's not my country. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that pissed some people off.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and if that didn't piss them off enough, the

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<v Speaker 2>explanation sure had to have.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes okay. I say, it makes sense that it

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<v Speaker 1>did happen. It doesn't make sense that you would do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think a lot of people might have been thinking, Broes,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a lazy effort by.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone correct and the State Department's official response or apology,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess kind of. We'd take full responsibility for the

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<v Speaker 2>confusion and misrepresentation it caused. For attendees, including our African partners.

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<v Speaker 2>And then their explanation was.

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<v Speaker 1>They say an aid was in a hurry and made

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<v Speaker 1>a change to the presentation last minute, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>all they said. However, Reuters and other news organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>were their robes, I don't not familiar with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>they say there's a particular mark that is left on

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<v Speaker 1>this presentation that lets you know this was done by

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<v Speaker 1>open ai. Open aied a presentation on the international stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means if they opened ai did, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>double check it, they didn't cross reference it. They just

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<v Speaker 2>took exactly what open ai, chat, GPT whatever just spit

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<v Speaker 2>out to them. And how often you know, we hear

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<v Speaker 2>our kids using this all the time, and it makes

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<v Speaker 2>me so nervous because as we prepare for our podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>every single day, including Morning Run, you get a little

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<v Speaker 2>AI a lot of times in your Google searches. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot tell you how many times it has been completely wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've actually been astounded. I should take screen grabs

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<v Speaker 2>every time it pops up something that is actually patently false,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it is, but I think, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>any young journalist, any young college student just takes that

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<v Speaker 2>as the word of God and goes with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is seemingly what happened. But that is so sloppy,

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<v Speaker 2>that is so lazy. That is actually dangerous and could

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<v Speaker 2>have like the implication and the impact that this has,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we don't even know, but the level of offense

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<v Speaker 2>has to be pretty high, and like that could have

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<v Speaker 2>done and may have done real damage.

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<v Speaker 1>And it goes in line, unfortunately with what people think.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes in line with what our policy even Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>We have and talked about this plenty over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>And Trump administration, Yes, pull funding, take back funding, So

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying through your financial contributions that you don't care

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<v Speaker 1>as much about the continent and what's happening there. Something

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<v Speaker 1>like this just kind of the final nail. Yep, this

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<v Speaker 1>is no surprise, but the level of offense, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even care to get this right, the level of offense

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<v Speaker 1>and an honest and innocent mistake was aid. It just

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't a lesson. Maybe is learned, but how must they

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<v Speaker 1>be feeling Robes that it's highly offensive? It is highly offensive,

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<v Speaker 1>but Robes, it goes along with Americans suck at geography,

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<v Speaker 1>where did that come from, Well, it actually came from

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of years, of a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>surveys and a whole bunch of studies about how well

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<v Speaker 1>Americans do in geography. We don't do well. You will

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<v Speaker 1>be shocked to know how many people can't even tell

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<v Speaker 1>you where the state of New York is.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here, welcome back to Amy and TJ. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>have been talking about what the State Department did on

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<v Speaker 2>the world stage there in Rio dejian Era put up

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<v Speaker 2>a huge display of the African continent, talking to African

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<v Speaker 2>leaders about proposed funding to battle AIDS and HIV, and

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<v Speaker 2>we put seven the seven countries we were highlighting and

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<v Speaker 2>talking about each and every one of them in the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong place, some of them with the wrong borders, some

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<v Speaker 2>of them in the completely opposite part of the continent

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<v Speaker 2>that they actually exist in. And unfortunately it's just part

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<v Speaker 2>of the course, apparently for Americans this is what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we even get offended anymore when people say, man,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all are terrible is geography? We just own it? Own it?

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<v Speaker 2>How can we not, because it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So there have been over the years plenty they

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<v Speaker 1>call it I'm forgetting the geographic literacy, what they call.

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<v Speaker 2>Geographic illiteracy in this in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That those words were thrown around as well. But National

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<v Speaker 1>Geographic has done a number of these studies over the year.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kind of all over the place, but consistent. I

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm giving you some of the latest numbers from

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<v Speaker 1>studies that come from twenty twelve and twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm bouncing around a little bit there, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still consistent. Let me tell you what some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we found growths. Folks were given a test to

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<v Speaker 1>pick out Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a Raq on

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<v Speaker 1>a map. Now, they weren't just given the map of

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<v Speaker 1>the world and say find it, no, no, no. It

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<v Speaker 1>was handed to in front of them the region the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East. So the number of people, the percentage who

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<v Speaker 1>could get these right. Only thirty one percent could find

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<v Speaker 1>Israel was shown a map of the Middle.

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<v Speaker 2>East, the center of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Some whould argue every day on the news Israel for

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<v Speaker 1>the past how many decades couldn't find it? Only forty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent could find Iran, Only forty nine percent could

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<v Speaker 1>find Iraq, but sixty one percent could find Saudi Arabias.

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<v Speaker 2>It's big there. It is like the state of Texas there.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now Afghanistan. Ninety percent of eighteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four year olds could not find Afghanists.

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<v Speaker 2>That's shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>On a map, Now, Sudan and Rwanda, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>throw this in there, Sudan and Rwanda, where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently most people don't know Rodes. Fifty four percent in

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<v Speaker 1>the survey did not know Sudan was in at Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't know what continent Sudan was in. Twenty percent

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was in Asia, ten percent thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe, and forty percent of people didn't know Rwanda

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<v Speaker 2>was in Africa. That is mind blowing to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>again maybe it's because we're of a certain age, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was so much in the headlines. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>not know that Rwanda is in the continent of Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>That don Cheatle was in that Oscar winning movie. If

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else, you should know that. Now, Rose, this is

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<v Speaker 1>where it's going to start to get bizarre. Where is

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi and where's Louisiana? Surely Americans could pick those two out,

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<v Speaker 1>could they not? Robes About half could find Mississippi. Fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent could find Mississippi, sixty seven percent could find Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was the New York state one.

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<v Speaker 2>Only fifty percent of Americans could could tell you where

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<v Speaker 2>New York is on a map.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>With all again, we talked about borders before the break,

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<v Speaker 2>the New York border like that is so specific to

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<v Speaker 2>me that but maybe it's because I've lived here for

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<v Speaker 2>two decades.

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<v Speaker 1>And frankly robes New York is a weirdly shaped state.

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<v Speaker 1>It's connecting to.

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<v Speaker 2>Some differentiable because of it. Yeah, that's my point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm saying it's kind of a mess up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I making excuses for people who can't find you? Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the UK and Egypt. These seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be that was a pretty prominent right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you should know. Yes, yes, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>very confident that most people should be able to find

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<v Speaker 2>the United Kingdom and.

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt couldn't find it. SEV could not find Egypt on

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<v Speaker 1>the map. Apparently it's close to Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they know it was in Africa?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not, Probably not because thought it was Middle East

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It always throws people off. Now I leave left this

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<v Speaker 1>one for the end, and this is the doozy for

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<v Speaker 1>you folks. This was the quiz folks were given. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you identify these seven US states? These are pretty big ones. California, Texas, Louisiana, Nevada, Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and Ohio. You've already heard not too many

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<v Speaker 1>people could find New York. But out of those seven states,

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<v Speaker 1>how many could people get correct?

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<v Speaker 2>On average?

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<v Speaker 1>On average? When people said, hey, find these seven states,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the average that people got right?

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<v Speaker 2>This is so sad. I didn't know this was three

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<v Speaker 2>point four that's all they could find. Less than half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when asked to find these seven and these.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the obvious ones they're not asking about. Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>always feel like it gets a little tricky in the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like sometimes with Indiana, Illinois, some Ohio you're throwing

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<v Speaker 1>some what else? Some Dakotas might throw you off. Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>and Kansas. Maybe because the shapes are a little similar.

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<v Speaker 1>You start going out to Utah and what Colorado they

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<v Speaker 1>all look like the same corners.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very confused, Yes, but these are California.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody should get that one right.

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<v Speaker 2>Texas everybody should get that Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>But after you go through California and Texas and you

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<v Speaker 1>say people only got three point four, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't one that is so obvious. That's such a

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<v Speaker 2>specific shape. Mississippi, New York, Ohio. Ohio was the least recognized.

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<v Speaker 2>And I maybe I could give you that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so uniquely, but it is I know, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I This is sad and this is a you know

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<v Speaker 2>what this speaks to our education system period. I will

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<v Speaker 2>always say that I you know, you remember some teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember doctor King. He was our world history teacher

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<v Speaker 2>senior year in high school. Our final exam was only

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<v Speaker 2>this a world map and we had to place every

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<v Speaker 2>single country in the world. And I studied for months

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone knew that was your final your senior year.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, obviously the world has changed in the Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>European and African areas. But I'd always thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>so cool and it prepared me. Honestly, that was so

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<v Speaker 2>useful to me for the rest of my life going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single class should have a final with that exam,

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<v Speaker 2>even maybe just make it the United States or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the Americas or something. But this is so sad that

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<v Speaker 2>we not only are known for not thinking about others

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<v Speaker 2>or considering other countries, we don't even give a damn

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<v Speaker 2>where they are or anything about their countries. That is

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<v Speaker 2>just appalling.

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<v Speaker 1>In some of these service people's still robes at least

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<v Speaker 1>responded by saying, it is important to know about borders.

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<v Speaker 1>It is important to know world geography. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the exact number, but there are very few states that

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<v Speaker 1>require geography to be taught in school upon graduation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just not required. You get it in social studies a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, but it's just not a focus robes. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a danger in not understanding the world. I see,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you How are you going to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>a politician who's telling you about foreign policy when you

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know where the damn country is that he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Like, you need to be engaged and involved

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<v Speaker 1>and give a damn about what's going on in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and that starts with knowing where the world is outside

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<v Speaker 1>of your borders. Yeah, this is and you should just

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<v Speaker 1>want to rodes. I don't like that feeling looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a map of going where is that or what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's it's curiosity and we need more of

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<v Speaker 2>it and we need to inspire it more in our youth.

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<v Speaker 2>We should all know that Sue Dan isn't a member

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<v Speaker 2>of the European Union. Just to me. That one really

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<v Speaker 2>threw me. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And who knew? But half of y'all listening don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where New York State is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's half of y'all listening, is

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<v Speaker 2>it any younger people? We'd love more younger listeners, so

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't offend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, folks, pick up a map today, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>We always appreciate you. This again, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be too hard. The person that made this mistake, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who they are, but it just it sends

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible message and it sends one that's on brand

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<v Speaker 1>for us. But it gives us a chance, Roses to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe take a minute, have a conversation and realize, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do better at this. And with that, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we always appreciate you spending some time with us. Some

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<v Speaker 1>TJ that's Robes. Talk soon.