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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant Huddle podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Schmolke with you as we wrap up three days

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Speaker 1: of practice at the Senior Bowl and Mobile. We'll be

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Speaker 1: joined by Jeff Risden from Real GM in just a second.

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Speaker 1: But first to remind you can find the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: have another podcast early next week as we recap the

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Speaker 1: game in practice as well. All right, let's welcome to

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Speaker 1: our guest. He is Jeff Risden, friend of the program

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Speaker 1: from real GM dot com. Jeff, I escaped early. You

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Speaker 1: are still in what I imagine is still wet Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man? Yeah, I'm still here for some reason.

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Speaker 1: I play out later today, so I'm ready. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to complain about the wet because I'm going

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Speaker 1: through about that. I'm trying to enjoy the relative warm

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Speaker 1: weather while it's still here. But dude, I'm wet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm back here in New Jersey whistles. It

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Speaker 1: get like half an inch of ice in about two hours,

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Speaker 1: so that should be fun driving home today. Um, let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the players and the teams here, Jeff, overall,

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Speaker 1: take on the group you saw the last three days

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Speaker 1: in practice before we start digging into some details. You know,

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Speaker 1: I thought there was some highlights. I thought that the

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Speaker 1: the off ball linebacker class was good. I thought we

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Speaker 1: saw some wide receivers who stood out. Um they were.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was pretty easy to tell from even

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Speaker 1: the first practice on Tuesday who was really standing out

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Speaker 1: above other people. And there was also there were a

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Speaker 1: few players that looked like maybe they didn't belong here,

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Speaker 1: or we're quite ready for it or whatever. But oh well,

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Speaker 1: I think this was my thirteenth Senior Bowl. I put

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Speaker 1: this one kind of in the middle of the pack

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Speaker 1: in terms of overall talent. There are probably four or

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Speaker 1: free agents. That's there wasn't as big of a cluster

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Speaker 1: in the middle as we normally get. Yeah, usually the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl owns days two and three of the draft, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean rounds two and three part of me, and

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Speaker 1: that's usually where they kind of dominate. Um and I agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we saw necessarily as many guys in

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Speaker 1: first answer here, Jeff, you said five to six first rounders.

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Speaker 1: Who are the guys walking out of this event this

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Speaker 1: one was fully close to Quarbacks Moberty. Most people probably

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Speaker 1: I was. I was very impressive in hole with that.

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see you down at Indye at the

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Speaker 1: Combine in about a month. Always like catching up with

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Speaker 1: you there. Thanks so much for doing this. Last minute

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon. Thank you, say travels. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much. That's Jeff Risden, our guest in the John

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Speaker 1: Suttle Podcast. You thank you for joining us, and remember well.

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Speaker 1: Another episode early next week as we wrap up the

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Speaker 1: week at the Senior Bowl and of course the game

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. We'll see you then