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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daney, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Balley Beck, coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zagura. All right, Welcome into Cleveland Browns Daily, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Ballely Beck, coming soon to an Ohio,

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zagura, alongside the Cleveland brown Sideline reporter and the

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Speaker 1: host of the Next Level on ESPN Cleveland, the Great

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Speaker 1: Gerade Cherry. Oh yeah, and he's also a three time,

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Speaker 1: three time, three times Super Bowl champion. Gerade filling in

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Speaker 1: four bow today. He's at the eight fifty studios down

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Speaker 1: in the flats. What's up, Rod? What up? Nate Dog?

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Speaker 1: How you been man? It's been a while, it has

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Speaker 1: been a while. I'm doing well. I am doing well.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be obviously back here today getting into

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Speaker 1: the mix. An eventful weekend and obviously shout to start

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Speaker 1: off with a little shout out to my wife, the

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Speaker 1: lovely miss Ka on her birthday today. We've had a

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Speaker 1: fun weekend. Took in John Mayer on Saturday Night solo tour.

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Speaker 1: He's body's like a Wonderland. Is he always solo though?

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Speaker 1: That makes no sense to me. No, So he didn't

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Speaker 1: have he literally it was him period, no background, bass, drums, nothing,

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Speaker 1: with gravity. It was a great show, great show. And

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Speaker 1: then Friday night I got to do a little commentating

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Speaker 1: for AIW absolutely intense wrestling, and they crowned a new

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Speaker 1: And so that was fun. And then yeah, yesterday we

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Speaker 1: went over to Kill's family's house for her birthday and

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Speaker 1: we had a nice weekend. What'd you do this weekend? Draw?

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Speaker 1: I did one thing that no one wants to do,

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Speaker 1: which is pack and move one the monks man. Frustrating

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Speaker 1: and time. Yeah, things that you could possibly do and

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Speaker 1: subject yourself too, I was involved in. But I must

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Speaker 1: say this, working twelve or fifteen hours straight to pack

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Speaker 1: the move workout, because I'm telling you though, I think

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Speaker 1: I lost about ten pounds in the process. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing fun or easy about about moving, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: That is that's why some people will be like, you

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Speaker 1: to move. Yeah exactly. But at some point too, when

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Speaker 1: and once you're I say about a month and a

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Speaker 1: then it's worth it. But that first, of course, that

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Speaker 1: feel like when you move, you realize how much stuff

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Speaker 1: you have in your current house that you don't ever

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Speaker 1: use or whatever that's just taking up space. Nathan, I

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Speaker 1: got T shirts from fifteen years ago that I know

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Speaker 1: on vacation last Yes, that's a completely different experience. Well,

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Speaker 1: here on Cleveland Brown's Daily. Marquise Goodwin a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: He is a Blazer. He can fly four to seven.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of Texas all the way back in two

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Speaker 1: as our quarterback to Shaun Watson. Last year twenty seven

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Speaker 1: much good stuff. Talks about every move that we've made.

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Speaker 1: But obviously you wanted to add weapons. Obviously you wanted

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Speaker 1: And that's a key point twitter all. Nathan A. Safety

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Speaker 1: You've got the home run up hitting ability, of Nick

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Speaker 1: Chubb in the backfield. This is an offense now led

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are no excuses. Andrew Berry has gotten

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Speaker 1: And one thing I love most about it, Nathan, is

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Speaker 1: league year then there there may have been in years past.

428
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Speaker 1: Why did you feel you needed to sign Marquise Goodwin

429
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: after making that trade? And do you see them as

430
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: kind of like the same role type receivers. So two things, uh,

431
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, One, we always safety approach of trying to

432
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: build the strongest ninety that you can because when you

433
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: get into camp, um, whether it's injuries or you know,

434
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: guys surprising you in either direction, just you just never

435
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 1: know how it's going to play out. And also as

436
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 1: you get into the season, UM, that's usually the player

437
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: pool that you're drawing from for in season replacements. Particular

438
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: to Elijah and Marquise, you know, they really do, uh,

439
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: they really do. Sirt have maybe different strengths, although maybe

440
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: people look at it on face value, saying, hey, here's

441
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: these undersized guys that you know ran really well coming out. UM,

442
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: their games are a little bit different. Elijah's a little

443
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: bit more of your um inside outside separator, really good hands, um,

444
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: really good route runner. You know. Marquise, despite his age,

445
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: he's still one of the fastest, you know players on

446
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: the perimeter in football. UM. So not to typecast either

447
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: of them, but we really do see them as having

448
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: perhaps maybe a little bit of different function in the offense,

449
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: you know when we get to the fall. And one

450
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: last thing on that the size seems to be different

451
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: than you've done in the past, is that because your

452
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: quarterback's bigger. You know, honestly, it's not. It's it's honestly,

453
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: it just happened to work out that way. Based on

454
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 1: the um the players who became available to us. There

455
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: are um, smaller receivers that we liked when you know,

456
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: when when when Baker is a quarterback, but for whatever

457
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: reason it um it didn't match up with timing or

458
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: opportunity or resources. Um. And then you know, even as

459
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: we went into the free agent market and go into

460
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: the draft, there are bigger receivers that we like. With

461
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: the Shawan so um, they come in different shapes and sizes.

462
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: We're really more looking for skill set and fit within

463
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: the role. Last November you told us you almost made

464
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: a trade. He's that guy on the team. Now he is.

465
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll give you guys out start. What was the hold

466
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: of them. I won't go into the details of that part,

467
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: but you know they were they were pretty adamant that

468
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: they were. They were convinced he's mature enough to develops. Absolutely,

469
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: we feel we feel very good about a lot. Um

470
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: loves the ball, hard worker. Um, he is a good

471
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: teammate like, um, this is a guy that despite Um,

472
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: you know some of the Uptons downs in New York

473
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: and obviously we have we have a really good relationship

474
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: with that organization, my time working with Joe and Kevin

475
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: and Roberts, you know, friendship. But UM, we feel good

476
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: about who allies you is. You know, bring them into

477
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: our building. I think he's going to do well there. Well, yeah,

478
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: you know we we we look despite um, you know

479
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe how it's looked at times like I love speed.

480
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: We love speed, and probably I should say this, there's

481
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: probably no general manager, head coach that says like they

482
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: want to be slow on the perimeter necessarily. Um, but

483
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: we when you have an opportunity to add a good

484
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: player who can really stress the defense with his ability

485
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: to run, UM, that's an opportunity that we're always going

486
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: to look to to to take advantage of. Okay, So,

487
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: so is there was there an urgency on your part

488
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: to surround thoughts and with more experienced receivers. And the

489
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: second question to that is, um, what does it mean

490
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: for bell Um and the other Woods? I would say

491
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: the focus wasn't necessarily on experience, Tony um adding adding

492
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: an element of um, you know, deep big playability because

493
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: of you know what we've seen to Sean do in

494
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: his past with that skill set in the receiver room, UM,

495
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: you know you can do it through the tight end room, right,

496
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: David can struts to field vertically, Jordan who he added

497
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: that he can struts to field vertically. But having someone

498
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: in the receiver room who can, um you do that

499
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more traditionally than than Donovan or

500
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: or or the way that Donovan and Amari do it

501
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: is um you know is important. UM. So that was

502
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: really the focus. I forgot what was the second part

503
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: of your question? What does it mean for Schwartz bell Woods.

504
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: I think that we look at the receiver room is

505
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: having good, healthy competition, um. And all of those guys

506
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: have different skill sets. Like Mike is probably more of

507
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: like your size, you know, classical X you know, separator.

508
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: Probably if I could, I guess, um, maybe pair them

509
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: with a Vet a little bit more like a Mari

510
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: in terms of skill set. Um. You know, Anthony is

511
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: a little bit more like Marquis right with his you know,

512
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: visibility to to to really stretch the field vertically. And

513
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: then David, He's like, Um, i'd use this comparison before

514
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: skill set more in line with Jarvis when he was here,

515
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: where he's a guy that has good size, strength, catches

516
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: the ball really well. Um, may not be the fastest,

517
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: but he's a he's smooth, he's a good route runner.

518
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: So like, the way we'll go about looking at the

519
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: receiver room as we get the roster to fifty three

520
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: is making sure that we have the appropriate skill set

521
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: that allows Kevin and the offensive staff to call the

522
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: game with enough flexibility in the passing game. He told us,

523
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: you don't never know how the market's going to go,

524
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: but consciously where you like, we're gonna go defense first,

525
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: and we'll because of Elijah or see whatever. No, not, yeah,

526
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: it just it just happened. It happened that way. And

527
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Speaker 1: I think also part of it is you are exploring

528
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: a lot of things, Like once a league you're opens,

529
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: or really once the negotiating window opens, you're exploring a

530
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of things concurrently. When it occurs, it can occur

531
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: for a variety of factors. Right Like oftentimes trades take

532
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: longer than free agent signings. You know, are you going

533
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, are you going top of the market? Um?

534
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: What is the player's decision making process? Like it? So

535
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of factors that go into you know,

536
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: when when something, um, you know comes to fruition. I know,

537
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: on the outside, it looks like okay, well just you

538
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: know linearly, like okay, this is what they did, you know,

539
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: day one day to it it. That's how it worked

540
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: out this year. But that's not necessary how um, let's

541
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: say it felt internally. I just I think there was

542
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: some anks in the fan base, like we're on day day,

543
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: we have a receiver, So was there any really Yeah,

544
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'd say, Like, even as we sit

545
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: here today, we're two weeks into the start of the

546
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: league year. There's no position group or part of the

547
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: roster that's complete at this point. We are really really

548
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: early in terms of the transaction season. Now, I'll also

549
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I understand that within maybe the first week,

550
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: that's probably the most player movement you know, across the league.

551
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: But even as we sit here now, there's still like

552
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done and a lot

553
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: of things that could happen to shape the roster, So

554
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: you know, we don't look at it as like okay,

555
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: like you know, catch your breath right now, or it's

556
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: it's a long time too. We're playing games in the September. Andrew,

557
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: can you talk about you know, give us an idea

558
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: of you know, why you guys really feel that Deshaun

559
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Watson is going to be the Deshaun Watson that you

560
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: traded for and maybe sort of how different do you

561
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: think the offense might be and what's the album there.

562
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: I think we're all very excited about Deshaun. Excited for

563
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: a full off season with UM, you know, even the

564
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: the guys he's already built chemistry with, UM, some of

565
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: the additional players that we've added to the offense. I think,

566
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: just even familiarity with uh, you know, Kevin and the

567
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: offensive staff. UM, and just honestly even settling into a

568
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: settling into a new environment. UM. We have you know,

569
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: seen him obviously in practicing game settings seen as salency

570
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: and his ability, but UM, it's it's it's an adjustment

571
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: period and UM, you know, we feel really good about

572
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: him getting a full spring of full summer and UM,

573
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps a more normal start to the to

574
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: the regular season, Um, you know, voting well for the team,

575
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: and do you feel like that, I mean, will fans

576
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: and everyone see are you reinventing the wheel on offense

577
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: per se? Or you know, how different will things be?

578
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, one it's in fairness, it's probably a better

579
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: question for Kevin. I think it would be disingenuous to

580
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: suggest that there aren't things that we learn from the

581
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: last six games in the season in terms of Okay,

582
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: you think of something conception or theoretically, and then you

583
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: try and implement it, and it's like there are some

584
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: things that go real well and something's like, okay, well

585
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: here here are some of the things that we may

586
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: not have considered. Even just like teammates adjusting. I think,

587
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, from a football standpoint last year to you know,

588
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: play eleven games with Jacoby who's you know, much different

589
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: style of quarterback and then really kind of transition on

590
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: the fly. That's even tough for the other you know,

591
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: the ten players on offense. UM. So all of those learnings,

592
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: all of those moments the offensive staff has has really

593
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: taken into the offseason. I think there will be a

594
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: lot of carry over, but you certainly there will be

595
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: modifications to the offense that that we think are more

596
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: suited for Deshaun and the overall group. All right, that's

597
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Browns General manager Andrew Barry talking at the owners meetings

598
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: in Arizona, talking about the receivers. Will react to that

599
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: in a second. He also talk quite a bit about

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. What's in place for the Browns quarterback is

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Speaker 1: the Browns look to make a real push here in

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00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. There is some consternation in our division though,

603
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,080
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Speaker 1: of all, drive any reaction before we get into the

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Speaker 1: news of the day. Any reaction on what you heard

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Speaker 1: from Andrew Barry talking about Elijah Moore, talking about Marquis

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Speaker 1: Goodwin and some of the moves this offseason. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just like the fact that Andrew was really succinct and

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00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: clear on why they did what they did. And I

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Speaker 1: love the part where he says, Hey, we're not gonna sugarcoating.

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00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Thinks not I paraphrasing because he didn't say these exact words.

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Speaker 1: His vocabulary is just more immense than minds, and I'm

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00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: having a hard time recalling what he actually said, and

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Speaker 1: the fact that, hey, we did learn from those last

624
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: six games, so here's what we need to do to

625
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: improve as a football team. I think he said disingenuous,

626
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: and that's a good word. With that being said, you

627
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: are being disingenuous if you don't acknowledge it. Hey, you

628
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: remember what you do in the last part of season.

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00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: If the last part of season you appear to be

630
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: lackluster in certain areas, you would be a fool, not remiss,

631
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: a fool as a GM not to go out there

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00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: and change it and do something about it when you

633
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: had a position in power to do just that. So

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00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: I love what he had to say, and it makes

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: complete sense to me why they've done what they've done

636
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: thus far in the off season. It is it's about

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00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: getting the weapons together. It's about getting this offense to

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00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: be able to compete with the offenses of the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: to be able to compete with the offenses of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals and the Bills and the Jaguars and the Chargers

641
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: and the teams that are gonna be putting up a

642
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: lot of points in our conference now one and the

643
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Jets now one of those teams, though that has been

644
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: a perennial playoff team our conference and in our division,

645
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: and a pain in the Browns side for a long

646
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: long time. The Baltimore Ravens. So the Ravens were at

647
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, the head coach, was this morning. He was

648
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: at the owners meeting this morning. When he began to

649
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: speak to reporters at the league's annual meeting, Lamar Jackson

650
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: sent out a couple of tweets, and in those tweets,

651
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson had said basically that the Ravens have not

652
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: It was called a letter to my fans. He said,

653
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I first want to thank you all for all of

654
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the love and support you've consistently shown towards me. All

655
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: of you are amazing and I appreciate you all so much.

656
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: I want you all to know not to believe everything

657
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: you read about me. Let me personally answer your questions.

658
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: He goes on and again, remember this is happening while

659
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh is speaking at the owners meets, which is

660
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: incredible to me. He said, in regards my future plans

661
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: as of March second, so nearly a month ago, three

662
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: weeks ago, more than three weeks ago, three and a half,

663
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I requested a trade from the Ravens organization for which

664
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: the Ravens had not been interested in meeting my value.

665
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Any and everyone that's met me or been around me

666
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: knows that I love the game of football. My dreams

667
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: help a team when the Super Bowl. You are all

668
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: are great, but I had to make a business decision

669
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: that was best for my family. Nine. No matter how

670
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: far I go or where my career takes me, I'll

671
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: continue to be close to my fans with the Baltimore

672
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Flock Nation in the entire state of Maryland. So you'll

673
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: see me again. And that's it. That's what he says.

674
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: Hardball obviously is getting blindsided by this while he's at

675
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the at a table. He's sitting at a breakfast table.

676
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: So all the it's the head coach's breakfast. So each

677
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: head coach has a table and normally it's just it's

678
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: the beats and you know, maybe maybe a national guy

679
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: here they're stepping in. I mean, they're network had a

680
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: camera like like, it's not even like just a reporter

681
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: with a recorder. It's full ball. It's a full blown pressor. Yeah.

682
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: So here's what Harball had to say. This is from

683
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Jamison Hensley, ESPNFL Nation reporter for the Ravens. Ravens coach

684
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: John Harball and whether he thinks Lamar Jackson will be

685
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: his quarterback in Week one. I do. I'm pretty fired

686
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: up about Lamar Jackson. Sure about that. Ravens head coach

687
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: John Harball said he hasn't spoken to Lamar as much

688
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: as previous years because it's a unique situation. Asked when

689
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: the last time he spoke spoke to Jackson, it's been

690
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: a while. Asked if he knew about Lamar's trade request,

691
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh said, I'm not getting to all of that.

692
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: It's private. In other words, you did know, ye, Ravens

693
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: coach Harbaugh says he doesn't know if Lamar will play

694
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: under the tag, and he was asked about the timing

695
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: of Lamar's tweet about a trade just right before he spoke.

696
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: Harball said, I'm not sure. I don't read too much

697
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: into it, and then Harbor on Lamar Jackson tweeting the

698
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: team hasn't met his value from Hardball, it's a monetary thing.

699
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Hardball said, that's a thing that can be figured out.

700
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: No pressure Eric to cost him, but I figured out

701
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, it's crazy, this is just ludicrous. Well,

702
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: it's the fall of the Ravens. Though. You're underestimating what

703
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: he perceives now, and how do you underestimate. You're in

704
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: the room with him. He's telling you flat out what

705
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: he wants. Why do you want to play hardball with

706
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: a guy who is your offense. Your offense is dedicated

707
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: to him playing at his highest levels. Now, I get it.

708
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: They don't want to go through the Joe Flacco experience again,

709
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: guys where they weren't able to field the football team

710
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: because they put so many resources into a quarterback. But

711
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: they missed the memo, you do not give Ray Kuons

712
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: with the highest linebacker contract on the face of this

713
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: earth and then come back to Lamar Jackson with, hey,

714
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: you're not worth a fool of guaranteed contract. And what

715
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: the Browns did with Watson was foolishness. You just can't

716
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: say that and do that and expect him to receive

717
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: that with open arms. It's a fine line between love

718
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: and hate when it comes to getting a guy to

719
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: play for the better of the team and his own

720
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: financial well being. And they've crossed that line where which

721
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's not coming back. He's not coming back. So

722
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: the question now becomes who's going to be the quarterback

723
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: of the Ravens this year? And where does Lamar Jackson go?

724
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: What's the most likely landing spot for Lamar Jackson? How

725
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: the problem resolved? What? That's the problem though, because I

726
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: get to sense and feel that some are like, you

727
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: know what, we're not gonna build this guy out because

728
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to Ultimately, no one wants to do what

729
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: the Browns owners were willing to do, which was step

730
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: up and say, you know what, we want to win

731
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: in any costs. Owners aren't saying that. You heard the

732
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: Falcons who have no business saying they don't want Lamar

733
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Jackson when you consider how much you could help them.

734
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: Look at the Dolphins, look at the Jets. Now, obviously

735
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: the Jets got the Aaron Rodgers thing in a mix,

736
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: But some of these teams who came out initially were like,

737
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not in the Lamar Jackson sweepstakes.

738
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: We want no parts of it. They're basically sending a

739
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: message in hey, we're not for this idea of fully

740
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts. And Lamar Jackson is right, is he not

741
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: valuable when you consider what he's done, But ultimately I

742
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: also get the Ravens perspective on it. Two. But ultimately

743
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: it comes out of this they can't force him to

744
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: play Nora And do you want to quarterback guys who

745
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: has the mentality of you don't believe in me. Therefore

746
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get my full effort. Because you have

747
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback whose heart's not in it, you're gonna lose.

748
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, and I'm curious to get your

749
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: take on this. With Lamar Jackson. You know, he was

750
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: the MVP. That was twenty and nineteen that he was

751
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: the MVP of this league. The last two years in

752
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: the league, Lamar Jackson has only played twelve games he's

753
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: missed the last month. He in that time has been

754
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: a sixty three percent passer, thirty three touchdowns, twenty interceptions,

755
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: quarterback rating of in the high eighties. You can't it

756
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: feels like, and you could tell me if you disagree

757
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: with this, but it feels like it's very difficult to

758
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: attract free agent wide receivers to play with him because

759
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: of just the style of offense that you have to

760
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: run with him as your quarterback. And even a guy

761
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: that was his best friend, Hollywood Brown, and wanted out

762
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: a year ago. So if you're making an investment in

763
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback that you've got to play a certain style

764
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: of offense, you've got to have probably a pretty specific

765
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: game flow with him as well. I think that it's

766
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: a it's a hard investment, especially given that he's been

767
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: banged up the last two years. Like, it's a tough

768
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: it's tough to say that you think you could go

769
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: through the AFC quarterbacks that you would have to outduel

770
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: throwing the football from the pocket for Lamar Jackson in

771
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: the FC, now in the NFC to your point, with

772
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: the Falcons, like he goes to the Falcons. They're the

773
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: favorites to win that division. I think, now does that

774
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: Can he get to a super Bowl? That's a different question,

775
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: but there's no doubt he is an incredible regular season

776
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: quarterback and has been look at. His MVP season was phenomenally.

777
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: He's worth about ten points a game to the Ravens,

778
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: which is astronomical. But does somebody want to invest in

779
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: him the way that they would invest in a quarterback

780
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: that's proven they can do it from the pocket and

781
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: the funny thing but Nathan is the answer is probably no.

782
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Probably it is no because he would have happened to already.

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: People will really feel in the idea, Hey, this is

784
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: gonna this could happen. But at the same time, there's

785
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: other ramifications to it from a financial standpoint that I

786
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: don't think the league wants to go down that road

787
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: from an owner's perspective for hards control and having guys

788
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 1: have to save with fully guaranteed contracts, which I believe

789
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: plays a huge part in it. But ultimately this comes

790
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: out of this. For the Ravens. It's an easier play

791
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: to have him run around and make things happen and

792
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: more predictable play of success with the ball in his hands.

793
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: We get that, understand that. Now is he capable of

794
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: passing the football? Yes? Now I do. I think he's

795
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: the type of athlete if he really said, you know what,

796
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I want to make it more, be more of a

797
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: proficient passers. He capable of doing that. I think so.

798
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: But ultimately, when you're under darrest, you're gonna go to

799
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: what's natural, and what's natural for him is running around

800
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: making things happen. So that's not gonna exit out his

801
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: system whatsoever, his DNA, because it's exactly who he is.

802
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, though, when I think about

803
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: the fact that Andrews, is he not a start? Is

804
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: he not a talent? And look what that combination has done.

805
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Why not giving more guys that caliber of performance to

806
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: see what he can actually do from a passing standpoint,

807
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: because it seems to me has been more of a

808
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: lack of talent there than they actually Billy Lamar Jackson's

809
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: a pass a football And I'll never forget this. About

810
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: two years ago, two or three seasons ago, you and

811
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I were having a discussion and you were telling me

812
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: how Lamar Jackson improved dramatically in his touchdown and interception

813
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: ratio and completion percentage, and now that might have been

814
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: a one year hit a miss type of situation. So

815
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: I say that to say we know he's capable when

816
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: training on it to improve it. There's no doubt. I

817
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: think the hard part is, to your point, why don't

818
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: they get weapons? That's what they've tried to do. They've

819
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: tried to draft receivers in the first round. Hollywood Brown.

820
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, coming off of a thousand yard season, said

821
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: I just don't want to play in this offense anymore.

822
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: And he loves Lamar Dearly. He's like, get me out

823
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: of here so that I can become a star. I

824
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: want to catch the ball. I want to play in

825
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: a passing, a pass first offense. And I think that's

826
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: the hard part is unless they hit in the draft,

827
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to surround with talent because no

828
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: free agent wide receivers have wanted to go there. They

829
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: ended up a couple of years ago with like Sammy

830
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Watkins was the best receiver they could get in free agency.

831
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: Because if you're a free agent, you're signing a you know,

832
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: a smaller deal of one year deal, a two year

833
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: deal at that point, and you're hoping to put up

834
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: big numbers and cash in again, and going there decreases

835
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: the likelihood that you're gonna put up big numbers. And

836
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: so the question becomes is does somebody think you know?

837
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons they brought in

838
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: Todd Mounkin was they thought, with Todd Mounkin, maybe we

839
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: can yet take some elements of what Lamar does so well,

840
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: but also create more of a spread concept that allows

841
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: him to be more efficient and more proficient from the pocket.

842
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: But now he's never We're never going to see that combination.

843
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, me as a Browns employee and fan,

844
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled about that. I think Todd Mounkin a very

845
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: smart guy, and I'm happy that he and Lamar Jackson

846
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: are never gonna gonna put it out there together. So

847
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: I think that's good. But it's a wild situation. And

848
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: I was We've been talking about this for a while,

849
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: like the Ravens faced a really hard decision. Did they

850
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: really feel in their heart of hearts that giving Lamar

851
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Jackson forty million dollars a year was going to help

852
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: them win a Super Bowl? In this AFC with the

853
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and the style of offense that would have to

854
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: be played to win and go on a real playoff run, right,

855
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: and they obviously said no. Another crazy part about it

856
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: to Nathan think about Jarvis Landry hit close to home

857
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: for us. He had an option the Ravens were won,

858
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: but he chose the Saints. And why did you choose

859
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: the Saints? To back up your point and that that's

860
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: a passing offense. So no, you're not a wide receiver

861
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: free agent going there to trying to restore your career.

862
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: You go there out of desperation or you were drafted there,

863
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's the that's unfortunately the narrative that's presented

864
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: to the Ravens right now. But here's the other part

865
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: to it, though, which is just gonna really blow their

866
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: locker room up, because right now that team is gonna

867
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: be divided. You have a situation where guys are saying you,

868
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: guys don't really want to pay us are worth and

869
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: you got guys concentrating and thinking about money, and the

870
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: worst thing that you can do is have a team

871
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: more concerned about the dollar bills than the actual book.

872
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: And when you have a situation like this, arise you

873
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: don't want it to play out because when hardball stands

874
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: up there to talk, half the guy's gonna be thinking

875
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: about their bank account while other guys are gonna be

876
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: trying to win. And think about that. A divide team,

877
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: where is that gonna get you? And we know what

878
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens, they're at their best when they're what all

879
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: on the same page and grinding out together. This doesn't

880
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: sound like a football team that's gonna be grinding out together.

881
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like a football team that is clearly divided

882
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: because you've had guys are on the side of Lamar

883
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: and you had other guys pretty much say nothing in

884
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: regards to what management ownership has done. Well, yeah, you've

885
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: had some of the receivers complaining, You've had. It feels

886
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: like a tough situation. It felt like the writing was

887
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: on the wall last season, and I think it's it's

888
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: an unenviable situation for the Ravens, to be honest, because

889
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that there is no question zero and I

890
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: would imagine in the locker room, zero question. We are

891
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: better with Lamar Jackson, right period, full stop. Right. But

892
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: but there is also a legitimate question that can be asked.

893
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: Can we be a super Bowl winning football team with

894
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson at quarterback and answers obviously for them, yes,

895
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: but no, and that's not gonna do it because at

896
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: what price? And that's the thing, right, at what price?

897
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: And they're saying, well, we can't get this, we can't

898
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: get that, And if you feel that way, then it

899
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: is the reality of the situation, because if you don't

900
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: believe it, you're certainly not going to conceive it. So

901
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: they're pretty much telling Lamar, we don't think you're worth

902
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: this much. And on top of that, if we thought

903
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: you were worth this much. But here's where it gets

904
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: really trick. Here's a philosophical question for you, Nathan. If

905
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: they thought he could win them a Super Bowl, do

906
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: you think they would give him the money he's asking for. Yes,

907
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: So apparently as an answer right there, and he's saying you, hey,

908
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: they don't value my worth, they don't see my worth

909
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: and all those things. So I don't envy him. I

910
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: don't feel sorry for them. They made this mistake. And

911
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: you know what, Nate, during the regular season, when Lamar

912
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: Jackson ruled himself out of a game and said he

913
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: was gonna be the doctor that told me everything I

914
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: needed to know. So how they misread that? And I

915
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: understand the level of discontent that he had and has

916
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: for them, I don't get I think they were aware.

917
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I just think publicly they weren't talking about I mean,

918
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: how could I feel like, how could you not be right? Like?

919
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: The thing about this situation is it might not be

920
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: a mistake by anybody in the reality. Nobody it could.

921
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: It's possible in my mind that everybody in this is

922
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: seeing it correctly. Lamar Jackson is saying, I am worth

923
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: ten points a game to your franchise. I am a

924
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I should be paid as such. And I

925
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: think that he could be right about that in certain circumstances.

926
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I think could also be true that the Raven say, yeah,

927
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: we are better with you, but it's not still not

928
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: good enough to be the organization we want to be,

929
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: especially if we have to invest all this money in you,

930
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: because let's be honest, you haven't played in December in

931
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: two years. He's probably like, we'll pay me more and

932
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I will play in December. That's probably what he's saying now.

933
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: But here's a little part to though, Nathan that I

934
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: just find funny in the whole in that Okay, you're

935
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: willing to go in a situation because there's as we

936
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: know better than anyone, there's no gear and tease with

937
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation. None. No, you run the risk if

938
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: you're the ravens of fallen out of completely out of

939
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: the picture of the af cedon AFC, not let alone

940
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: the AFC North, but the AFC. If you baked this move,

941
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: we're not haveing Lamar Jackson and you're gonna Huntley's gonna

942
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: go out there and get the job done. You're gonna

943
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: trust a rookie, You're gonna bring somebody else in. Who

944
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: are you gonna bring in? So you may have so

945
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: at one point you rather lose than actually win, right there. Philosophy,

946
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we're in a handcuffed situation. If we can get

947
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: Lamar for you know, the thirty million that we've we've

948
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: tendered him at, great, we'll roll with that. If not,

949
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: maybe they look at the landscape of the AFC and say,

950
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: you know what, but even that though we're gonna have

951
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: a down year and then we're gonna draft the quarterback

952
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: in a draft class next year, that that looks to

953
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: be better, right, we're gonna have an extra first round

954
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: pick because of the of Lamar leaving, We'll have the

955
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: ammunition to do it. But good luck with that too.

956
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're Lamar Jackson, you're

957
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: sitting back and you're watching Daniel get paid and you

958
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So how do you not feel

959
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: insulted by this? And then next year when Burrow and

960
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: Herbert come up, you're gonna be like, oh, I'm not

961
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: on from a passing standpoint, you know, make the argument, Okay,

962
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm not on that level. But from a winning standpoint,

963
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm certainly in what the value are to my team.

964
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm certainly there. So they're in a spot man And

965
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: again this they may never recover from it. I should

966
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: never say never, but it's definitely gonna take a good

967
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: couple three or four years, probably get the funk out

968
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: of the system because you got guys on this roster

969
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: right now who are now solely concentrating on the money. Yeah,

970
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: and that look, I don't mind the Ravens being down

971
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: for a while. Don't don't end up what happening at all.

972
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild. If I'm Lamar Jackson, I want

973
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: to go to the NFC. I want to go to

974
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: the NFC because in the NFC, I just my presence

975
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: alone makes whatever team might go to, whatever team he

976
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: goes to a playoff a playoff team, and then start

977
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: if I'm Lamar Jackson for longevity, and this is a

978
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: sad sight to see somewhat. Cam Newton, though humbled, was

979
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: throwing in Auburn's Pro day. I know, and you never

980
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: thought that big body type would break down, but it

981
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: broke down. So ultimately it's gonna catch up to you.

982
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: That's the thing. If you cannot be somebody in this league.

983
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: And that's where I'll go back to when you're talking

984
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: about Herbert and Burrow, there's no question in anybody's mind

985
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: that if and we've seen both of them do it.

986
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: Burrows but a super Bowl in ANFC championship the last

987
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: two years. You know, Herbert, his supporting cast has not

988
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: been as good, but he's led them on comebacks. There's

989
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: no question that both of those guys can make plays

990
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: from the pocket when the other team knows they have

991
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: to throw the book. Cam Newton, even in his MVP season,

992
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: he was never that dominant passer and so once you

993
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: lose a little bit in your ability to run. Whether

994
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: it in Cam's case it was the power and speed

995
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: go away a little bit, or in Lamar's case, you

996
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: know the speed's gonna go at some point. You're not

997
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 1: going to be the most dynamic guy on the field,

998
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: and we've seen injuries start to creep up. You have

999
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: to fall back on that ability to throw the football,

1000
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: and so he's not as valuable number one. You know,

1001
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: he and Cam would expose themselves a more injury situations

1002
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: than necessarily a Burrow or Herbert, especially with the way

1003
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: the rules have been changed about quarterbacks can be hit

1004
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: within the pocket and the throwing is a big part

1005
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: of it. But if I'm Lamar Jackson, I go to

1006
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: the NFC, you have an opportunity in the NFC to

1007
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: be you know, Jalen Hurts. I'm glad you've mentioned that's

1008
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: that's where he wants to go and that's the game.

1009
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: He needs a pattern himself out there. I know that

1010
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous, but Lamar Jackson, he's a pattern his game.

1011
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: After Jalen Hurts game, and what he needs to do

1012
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: is go whoever his quarterback guru is, start working out

1013
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: with him and get to a point because he took

1014
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts from being a mediocre Is it fair to

1015
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: say passa to lamendous? Yeah, he was tremendous this year.

1016
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: And they went out and to their credit, they drafted

1017
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Davante Smith. That was a hit. They traded for a J. Brown.

1018
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: They have Dallas Goddard, so they had weapons for him

1019
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: in place that they could throw the ball too. They

1020
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: ran a very good offense, they had a great offensive

1021
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: line and it all worked out and Jalen Hurts was

1022
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: great and was very very close to being a Super

1023
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Bowl champion this year. Now can they get back there,

1024
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: We'll see, But Jalen Hurts took a massive, massive leap forward.

1025
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: But my point is like in the NFC and there's

1026
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts Stafford, but I don't know how his car

1027
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: right now, just get jumps out of the AFC and

1028
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: there's a top quarterback in the NFC. That's what I mean, right,

1029
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: So that's Zarah Carr, It's Kirk Cousins. There you have

1030
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: is and and Dak Press Dak and Aaron Rodgers is

1031
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: more likely going to be an AFCI if he goes

1032
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: the NFC. I think he could he could win immediately,

1033
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: and I think that that's going to the AFC is

1034
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: just it's murderer's row right now. Man. It is the

1035
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: most loaded quarterback conference I think that we've ever seen

1036
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: at one time in NFL history pick a division exactly.

1037
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: But here's the thing too. I agree that if he

1038
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: goes to NFC, the past of success is an easier

1039
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: road if you will, though it is never easy. Yeah,

1040
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: but at the same time, change a paradigm, changing narrative

1041
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: on how people perceive you. He has an athletic ability

1042
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: to throw the football and throw it well, it's about consistency.

1043
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Hurts and the reason why I bring

1044
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: me in conversation is that the Eagles now know they

1045
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: can't lump him into the Hurts that is until Lamar

1046
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Jackson Cam Newton conversation. They have to put him in

1047
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: the league Joe Burrow slash Josh Allen conversation where these

1048
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: guys can make it happen with their legs and their arms.

1049
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: And so that's where he's at now because the way

1050
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: he operates within the pocket. So yes, though this league

1051
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: has changed tremendously and I like what you alluded to,

1052
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: they still allow you not to snop out of people

1053
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: down the field. If you're running the football, that still

1054
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: is allowed, not in the pocket. So he needs to

1055
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: make that I'm talking about business decisions that he's making.

1056
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: Change that too, But the Ravens aren't trying to hear that.

1057
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: And be honest with you, Nathan, I'm not sure if

1058
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: any other team right now will sign up for it,

1059
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: because I think ultimately that the Ravens have a lot

1060
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: of support from other NFL organizations saying you know what,

1061
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: We're not going to touch your guy. So you think

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00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: that there's like a collusion conspiracy. Still can't say collusion

1063
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: because that's too much of a legal term. But guys

1064
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: can look at him like, hey, I ain't touching it.

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00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I ain't touching it. That all make sense. I ain't

1066
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna pay him, And you don't have to go call

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00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: somebody on the phone do illegally illegally. Rather it could

1068
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: simply be like, nah, that's my fe I just think

1069
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: if anybody, any owner thought that the thing that was

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00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna get them a Super Bowl trophy was Lamar Jackson,

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00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: they would not hesitate to put him on their football team. Yeah,

1072
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: some I peear what you're saying, but there also someone say,

1073
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: you know what, the bottom line makes more sense, and

1074
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: that's really what the Ravens are saying. But there's a

1075
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: areguing to be made that hey Canny, get you there.

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00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: It certainly are going to be made for that, I

1077
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: think so, I would say, I think the Ravens feel

1078
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: that there is a cap on his value due to

1079
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: the style of play and the injury concern, Whereas I

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00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: don't think like the Ravens. I think would have no

1081
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: problem paying him thirty plus million dollars a year guaranteed

1082
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: because didn't they offer him that When Daniel Jones is

1083
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: getting forty that's just because the Giants made a horrific decision.

1084
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: But that's the whole point. For Labar Jackson, I'm better

1085
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: than that, dude, I've done more than that. Is he

1086
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: gonna get more than me? This is how players talk.

1087
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: How's he gonna get more than me? And that's still

1088
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: how players talk and how players interact in the locker room.

1089
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna feel that that's an insult to him. Yes,

1090
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: I would agree that Daniel Jones making more money than

1091
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is insulting, and that's that's more I'm the

1092
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Giants really than anybody like. But but the owners of

1093
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: the owner for the Ravens publicly says something about the

1094
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: Hazlems and what they did, but in you hear nothing

1095
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: about the Daniel Jones deal. Absolutely absolutely well, Daniel Jones

1096
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: didn't get guarantee. He's exactly being it fully guaranteed. But

1097
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: he still want to pay this guy forty million dollars.

1098
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: I still think, which just to me seems I would

1099
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: give him the thirty million dollars contract based on that

1100
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: eight games of a really good season with him being

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00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: with Brian Dable. Listen, if I was the Giants, I

1102
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: would have just signed Lamar Jackson, given up first und

1103
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: pick what I would all right, when we come back.

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: This is good stuff. Though when we come back, we're

1105
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna hear more from Andrew Barry, Part two of his

1106
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: meeting with the media from the owners meetings in Arizona,

1107
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: talking about the other new editions we talked about the

1108
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers earlier still come out. We got other stuff

1109
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: from around the league. We will go ahead and look

1110
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: at this Brown's roster as well, where it stands right

1111
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: now with Gerard and then we're going to wrap it

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1121
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: we head back to the Valley of the Sun to

1122
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: Arizona where Andrew Barry met with the media from the

1123
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: owners meetings here as part two of that discussion. You

1124
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: guys should sort of run it back, you know, bringing

1125
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: Andrew Anthony, bringing U Joni, bringing Jorinda back. Is it

1126
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: a case that you kind of look at it go.

1127
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of liked those guys. You know,

1128
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: there's some bad luck that hit last year. Put maybe

1129
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: better better deput the dackles in front of him. I mean,

1130
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: what was what's been kind of the mindset and the

1131
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: Dack the linebacker. You know, I think so I'd start

1132
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: by saying, again, no rooms complete at this point. UM.

1133
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: In terms of the guys that we brought back, I

1134
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing last year was health. Um. You

1135
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: know a lot of those guys that you mentioned really

1136
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't play maybe as many snaps as be anticipated. You know,

1137
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: Hey Walk obviously was out after the after the third

1138
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: game of the season. Um. You know JK went on

1139
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: I R and missed some games even previous to that

1140
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: with an injury. UM talking has start off in his

1141
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: normal role, played well played Mike for us, and then

1142
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: you know towards acl Um. So really probably even by

1143
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: mid year, we were well into our depth at that position.

1144
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: So I think health will go a long way UM

1145
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: in that room. Um, guys that played really good football

1146
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: for US in twenty one and then even in twenty

1147
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: two when they were actually on the field. UM. But

1148
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, certainly we we want to make sure that

1149
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: we have enough depth so we're not you know in

1150
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: that position. Again, what did Jim like when he saw

1151
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: one thor what does he see in Thorna? Is it

1152
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: like something specifically that he that made him kind of

1153
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: maybe the guy that you know, I'll be you know,

1154
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: totally honest. When we went into the start of the

1155
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: league year, UM, we weren't necessarily anticipating um doing a

1156
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: you know call it a you know, a sizeable safety deal.

1157
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Necessarily that wasn't CLA. That was actually a pivot. UM.

1158
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: What we liked about one We thought he was a

1159
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: player who, um, you know, very rarely do true free

1160
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: safeties like get to the market, and if they do, UM,

1161
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: they get paid very very handsomely. UM. And so like

1162
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: one former corner background, really great ball skills, great range, UM,

1163
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, multi year producer and besides the ACL, his

1164
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: rookie year has stayed you know, very very healthy. UM.

1165
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: That's a really a profile that we liked. UM. You

1166
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: know candidly, we we we UM. We thought that it

1167
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: would either get to the point, given our other priorities

1168
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: that um, you know, we would need to find a

1169
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: more cost effective alternative. Ultimately, what happened earlier in free

1170
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: agency and some of the signs we may gave us

1171
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more flexibility with one UM and one

1172
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: one wanted to be here. That was the other. That

1173
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: was the other great part. So did you pivot um

1174
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: Watson's restructuring or did you anticipate doing the We had

1175
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: a nun So we had a number of different um

1176
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: options in terms of creating caps based Tony and the

1177
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: way we were when approach. It was largely going to

1178
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: be mapped on what we thought we could do with

1179
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: our offensive plan. So I know that maybe sound like

1180
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of an evasive answer, but um, we

1181
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: felt really good about a variety of ways to create

1182
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: the room that we need at the start of the

1183
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: league year. Um for the plan we ended up executing

1184
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: so far, we thought that that was the most appropriate.

1185
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: While you were able to resign because he created enough

1186
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: with no no. So now that those are two, um,

1187
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: those will probably be too completely independent things. How about

1188
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: how is DeShawn doing with all of the off the

1189
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: field staff with his program? Does he still have things

1190
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: that he has to do? Uh, you know, in terms

1191
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: of the league and what they've mapped out for him.

1192
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: How how's he doing? I don't think it's appropriate for

1193
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: me to go into those details, but I will say

1194
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: he's doing very, very well, very We're very pleased with

1195
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: with where he is. Jordan naked no, I know, you know,

1196
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: perhaps that was something that after the fact maybe people

1197
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: assume that we made the signing just because of that. UM, Jordan,

1198
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: we actually thought was was an impact receiver for Houston

1199
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: this past year. UM. You know, we thought he felt

1200
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: fit really nicely into the Heathrow in our offense and

1201
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: could really be a you know, kind of a playmaking

1202
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: weapon for us. UM that actually had nothing to do

1203
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: with um, you know, the Shawn's didn't put or anything

1204
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: along those lines. Now as a standard, if if we're

1205
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: going to sign a player, UM, and we have a

1206
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: veteran on our team that's been with him and we're

1207
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: doing kind of our background from a locker room standpoint,

1208
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, we'll ask the player. But UM that that

1209
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: actually it's like a nice synergy. But that actually had

1210
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the Sean posting unrelated incident. Show instruction.

1211
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: But is there a core is there aligning you to

1212
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: draw and say because we restructured that we were able

1213
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: to do so not necessarily because UM, let's say we

1214
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: wanted to extend beyond the amount of room that we created,

1215
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: because there was some unique opportunity. UM, there are other

1216
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: ways that we could have accomplished the you know, accomplished

1217
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: a similar goal. How about Jed Wills, do you anticipate

1218
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: picking up the fifth year option please? With Jed's progress

1219
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: thought he had his best year this past year. UM,

1220
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: I think as you guys knows my customer, I don't,

1221
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, really talk about those things in the setting,

1222
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: but we are happy with Jed. Was there anything you

1223
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: saw um in those eight games last year and he

1224
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: really became a start, started to really produce unlike a

1225
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: level you'd had those first four years. Was there anything

1226
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: in his game? Was? It really doesn't matter if he's

1227
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: finally getting We really saw it as more as finally

1228
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to start. So Obo had been a

1229
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: very highly productive player um on maybe a more limited

1230
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: pitch count, both in LA and early in the season

1231
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: with Houston. And there are many players that can be

1232
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: productive in like a limited role, but then the question is, okay,

1233
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: can they maintain that production over a higher volume of

1234
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: STAPs or does it or are they almost like relief

1235
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: pictures in baseball. They're not They're not starters, but the

1236
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: relief pictures. And I think the impressive thing with Bobo

1237
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: is he was really able to maintain like his underlying

1238
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: production and with a significantly higher volume of snaps, So

1239
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: we looked at it as an opportunity to add a

1240
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: young player who um you know, we we we we

1241
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: feel really good can play really productive football with a

1242
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: with a heavy load, um and maintain the quality of play. Yeah,

1243
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: would you say, got time for a couple more on paider.

1244
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel the offense is complete? I don't think

1245
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: I ever feel that any unit is complete, honestly, Tony.

1246
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: I think we have, um, you know, a number of

1247
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: good players on that side of the ball. It's still

1248
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: got to come together. I think we have a nice

1249
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: mix of skill sets with our perimeter group, um, you know.

1250
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we're not going to try

1251
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: and add add guys to the to that side of all.

1252
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: But I mean filling that speed element now means there's

1253
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: no other skill set other than personnelment. I'd say this

1254
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: like I think we have uh you know, a lot

1255
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: of our bases or at least, like you know, bets

1256
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: on the skill sets that we need covered. Um. But

1257
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, honestly, there are always areas

1258
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: that we can that we can add um and continue

1259
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: to improve right about the same place you pick a

1260
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: year ago, how much you know for now for now. Well,

1261
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how much you know what you went through

1262
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: last year, you know, kind of give you some ideas

1263
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: of you know what you like which you didn't like,

1264
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, what you can do this time as you

1265
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: kind of find yourself to similar situation. I'd say that, Um,

1266
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: each year is independent only because he's draft class is different.

1267
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, we went through an experience last year where

1268
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: we traded out of forty forty I can't remember forty something,

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Speaker 1: and then you know I got to sixty eight, took

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Speaker 1: Martin and got picked up two extra picks. UM. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that going through that was the reason that

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Speaker 1: we did the you know, the Elijah More trade. We

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Speaker 1: just looked at it as an opportunity that makes suense

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Speaker 1: for us. What do you think about it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you talked to the combine about you kind of your

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Speaker 1: first opportunity to kind of see this this class up.

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Speaker 1: What's your kind of thought and first impression? I think,

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna sound like a broke around here. There

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Speaker 1: are good players that come out of the draft every year, UM,

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Speaker 1: and oftentimes, like where you think the strengths and weaknesses are,

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Speaker 1: it changes as you look how it actually plays out,

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Speaker 1: you know, three or four years out. You know that.

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Speaker 1: Being said, like, I do think there are going to

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Speaker 1: be a number of players that we like, uh if

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Speaker 1: we if we stay and pick it, stay a pick

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Speaker 1: at seventy four. Um, I do think the draft has um,

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Speaker 1: you know, quality in Day two, which is where obviously

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Speaker 1: our first pick is. But um, you know, we'll see

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Speaker 1: how it goes the next couple weeks. This team, Uh

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Speaker 1: you up to that if we hook it's up eight

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Speaker 1: players if they make the team or none. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I don't see a situation where they where they can.

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Speaker 1: But I think lot of healthy competition go on to

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Speaker 1: the In terms of Alex right, um, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like is he your number three edge heading into this

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Speaker 1: season and do you feel like in Jim Schwartz's scheme

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Speaker 1: that he will be able to get the pressures in

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Speaker 1: the sacks that he's capable on. Yeah. No, we feel

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Speaker 1: good about Alex. Jim feels good about Alex. It's tough

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Speaker 1: for young and rookie a lineman that's usually a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a slower developing position. But as we look

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Speaker 1: at our third and fourth edge guys, those are guys

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Speaker 1: that we want to play, you know, thirty five percent

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Speaker 1: of the time, play with a high energy, high motor

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Speaker 1: and Alex's physical skill set and you make up and work.

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Speaker 1: I think it's perfect for Jim's defense. All right. That

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: was Brown's general manager Andrew Barry from the owner's meetings

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: talking about some of the other moves they made, and

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Speaker 1: I thought the most interesting thing there was that they

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Speaker 1: weren't sure they were gonna be able to get a

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Speaker 1: high price free agent at free safety, but that was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a pivot and they were able

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Speaker 1: to get a true center fielder like Juan Thornhill, and

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Speaker 1: he was obviously very excited about that, Jurand I imagine

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Speaker 1: the money that was gonna go to Javon Hargrave. For

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Speaker 1: that money, you were able to get Dalvin Tomlinson and

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Speaker 1: Juan Thornhill two for one situation, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And I love what Thornhill is gonna bring to the table. Nathan,

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Speaker 1: and you've interviewed him, You've had a chance to interact

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Speaker 1: with him, and I believe he's gonna be that piece.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about with accountability and what he had

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Speaker 1: to say he backs up for as hey man, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna come here out right away and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: my way or the highway. But understand, though, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: hold guy's accountable and let him know this is how

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Speaker 1: you win and get to the super Bowl. You don't

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Speaker 1: do it sitting on a lines, not going over your

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01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: playbook and not studying taking care of business. You get

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Speaker 1: there by working extremely hard. And oh, how do you know, Thornhill,

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Speaker 1: I've done it three times, so that's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: tremendous way. And he sounds like to me, another guy

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Speaker 1: who gets not about the hypen hoopla, but about substance

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Speaker 1: and about characters. So I love that signing. And yes,

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Speaker 1: by making that pivot, it was something we certainly need

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Speaker 1: it because again, you run the risk if you relying

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Speaker 1: on the draft of not having that guy prepared and

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Speaker 1: ready to go early on, especially at the free safety position.

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Speaker 1: I think you make a great point right there too

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Speaker 1: about Juan Thornhill knowing what needed, what he needs to do,

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Speaker 1: knowing what it takes. And he said something that I

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Speaker 1: thought was very interesting when I talked to him was

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Speaker 1: that he said, it's got to be everybody you know,

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Speaker 1: committed to understanding what's going on. But he said it's

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Speaker 1: also so important to develop those relationships on and off

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Speaker 1: of the field. He said, you know, the Chiefs, we

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: all hung out together. All the dbs would hang out together,

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Speaker 1: So I truly knew the guys that were out there

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Speaker 1: and what they were going to do in certain situations

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: without us having to talk or communicate about it. We

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Speaker 1: all just were on the same page. And how important

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Speaker 1: that was. And you, as a fellow Super Bowl champion

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Speaker 1: like Juan Thornhill, you know how important is that to

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01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: have the accountability where your peers are the ones that

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Speaker 1: are keeping you accountable, that are making sure you're doing

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Speaker 1: everything you need to do. And then that you guys

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: have those relationships where it's all kind of second nature

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: once you're out on the field together. Camaraderie is of

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Speaker 1: the utmost importance, and accountability is of the utmost importance.

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Speaker 1: If you got both those things clicking together in your

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Speaker 1: football team and it's a part of the fabric and

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Speaker 1: culture of your locker room, you're gonna win football games.

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Speaker 1: Because most locker rooms are not connected like that. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of factionism that's taking place in most locker

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Speaker 1: rooms where guys are having the Ravens experience them talking

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Speaker 1: about their money, who's getting what, who's getting paid, win

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Speaker 1: and where and how. When those things start to kick

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Speaker 1: in and develop, that's when you have issues and problems

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: in your locker room. But when you have a situation

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Speaker 1: where I b I special teams player or a starter

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Speaker 1: can go up to anybody in that locker room and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: you're not holding up. You're into the bargain from work

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: hard standpoint, and you could check someone if you will,

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: and they respect it and accept it and correct it,

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: then you have something going on. That's what he experienced

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Speaker 1: in case, and please bring that to our locker room

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Speaker 1: because we need it. Because, to be honest with you, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: I felt we had that on the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball, but on defense last year that wasn't what

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Speaker 1: it was happening. It was ever and also when those

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Speaker 1: guys stepped on the side of the play in the

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Speaker 1: phase of special teams, those players, it still wasn't occurring.

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Speaker 1: So that's something that was vastly missing. And we may

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Speaker 1: have found a guy who can help lead us in

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Speaker 1: that direction because you know, as a free safety, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna certainly be responsible being a quarterback back there and

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Speaker 1: what he said is so important. You gotta enjoy the

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Speaker 1: process of being around the guys you're playing with. It

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01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: can be simply, well, I'm gonna do my job and

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm required to do here. Yeah, football exacts

1390
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: too much of a physical emotional toll for to just

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Speaker 1: be your job. You gotta sacrifice and on many fronts,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta enjoy the process. Not even enjoy it.

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01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: You have to embrace the process. And when you start

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: doing that, that's when it's late in January that you're

1395
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: embracing the idea that you want to go to Scoop

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Speaker 1: Bowl and win it because you're not gonna quit on

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Speaker 1: your teammates or your body's not going to give up

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: because you're plan for a higher call and than just

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Speaker 1: your paycheck and personal notoriety. Oh, you're exactly right about it.

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Speaker 1: Great words from the three times Super Bowl champion Girod

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: Sherry there. And I think that the accountability also is

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: going to come a lot from Jim Schwartz just being

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: around that guy. Right, he's not tolerating any shenanigans, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't think all right, when we come back, we'll

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Speaker 1: go around the league quickly and still to come. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get your odds thoughts on the state of the

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Speaker 1: the weekend right now in the NFL. First up, Bobby Wagner.

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Speaker 1: It was great for the Rams a year ago going

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Speaker 1: back to Seattle on a one year deal. And give

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Speaker 1: Bay's question for us is are the Seahawks one of

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Speaker 1: the four best teams in the NFC right now? Gerd, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough question to think of off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head, but I'm gonna say no, they're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm still gonna give and granted, I still like the

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Speaker 1: idea that the forty nine are upper echelon obviously, and

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Speaker 1: sure the Eagles and what they represent, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna fall off. And I and I think the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are certainly, even though they have issues year

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Speaker 1: any year out better than them. And I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: I can name one more team and b he also

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Speaker 1: the Giants of actually better than the Seahawks. So I

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Speaker 1: think Eagles Niners. I'm big on Detroit right now. I

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: like quite a bit Seattle. Those got what those two

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: early first round picks after the draft, they could be

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Speaker 1: They could be pretty good. I mean they're in the conversation,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dallas is in the conversation. Giants are in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. No one versa. But then again, car to

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: the right, to the Saints, does that make a difference

1440
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: because they got weapons and they got a good defense,

1441
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: right it's and that goes back to why lab should

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: just go to the NFC, because how many options are

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: there compared to the AFC, right right? That's why exactly

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01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: the NFC is significantly is a significantly worse conference right

1445
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: now than the AFC. I mean, it's not it's really

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Speaker 1: not even close. Uh. Speaking of the NFC, the forty

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Speaker 1: nine is acquiring former Brown's kickers Zane Gonzalez from the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: My father I was like Zane. He was a pro bowler.

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: He was a pro bowler in UM with Arizona when

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: we played them back in twenty nineteen. He was a

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: pro bowler that year. So interesting, Robbie Gold is gone

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01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: and comes in Gonzalez. I think there, No, he's not

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: as certainly not as steady, that's for sure. Yeah, it's

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: a good kicker at wild So that's the big one.

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: And then from the owners meetings, Broncos head coach On

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: Payton says we are not trading Courtland Sutton and Jerry Judy.

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean that. I thought that was weird that they

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: were even thinking about shouting him in the first place.

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01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you get Russell Wilson there. Why would you

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Speaker 1: vacate the premises with good talent and a young at

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: that under contract in order to do what It made

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01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: no sense. I figured that the Broncos gonna have a

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: night and day experience because you're gonna actually have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback head coach that will have a good working relationship

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Speaker 1: in which one will respect the other one and feel that, hey,

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Speaker 1: I can't acquiesced to him because I'm sorry. Russell may

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: have his moments where we get on him about being

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: too much, but I definitely think he'll respect Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: what he has to say, because Jan certainly as a

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Speaker 1: track record as a super Bowl winning that coach. He

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Speaker 1: most certainly does. And Jim Breeze, I agree with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that right now you're thinking, Okay, we've got

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Speaker 1: We've got our guy, Sean Payton. We're in a pretty

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: good spot here right If you're a fan of the

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01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, you've got to feel like we have a

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Speaker 1: chance now to become a team of consequence, which is

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Speaker 1: I think what they're certainly hoping to be Ela Kiev Horford.

1478
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: Although Sean is gonna have to figure out some way

1479
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: to get to reinvent Russell Wilson in that locker room,

1480
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be more on Russell than anything. He

1481
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: cannot have this holier than Thou presence in the locker room.

1482
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: He can't have alleged office in the facility where guys

1483
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: can't come to and be on his level. He has

1484
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: to make himself a man of the people, because if

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01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't do that, Nathan, I don't care who they bring,

1486
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: and they can bring back Vince Lombardi, They're not gonna

1487
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: win if he doesn't change his actions. You're exactly right.

1488
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: They've got to get they've got to get that go

1489
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: in there. And then finally from NFL Networks Judy Batista,

1490
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: owners will consider consider several role proposals at the NFL's

1491
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: annual meeting. As the meeting begins, it does not seem

1492
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: to be enough support for making roughing the passer reviewable

1493
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: by replay. They just got to get it right. I

1494
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: don't care. You don't need to be like an official

1495
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: replay challenge to have the guy upstairs be like the

1496
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: Chris Jones one. No, that was not roughing, Like roughing

1497
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: needs to be egregious and clear and roughing when it's

1498
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: not that you cannot make those fifteen yard penalties. That's

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: why I like the idea. I'm hoping that just the

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: threat of it getting reviewable will get everybody in the

1501
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: league on the same page and say, Okay, let's give

1502
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: the guy upstairs a little bit authority to call in

1503
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: and be like, actually, I just watched that on TV.

1504
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: That was not roughing, just tackled the quarterback right, And

1505
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: unfortunately Nathan is going to continue to curse. So maybe

1506
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: next year we'll have a change of heart with this,

1507
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: because that is so subjective. What's hard? What's your definition

1508
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: of being a hard hit for a referee, because it changes.

1509
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: It could be who the quarterback is, because if that

1510
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: guy's an oversized quarterback, that didn't hurt them, But the

1511
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: same thing happens to guy's underside, so that did hurt them.

1512
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 1: So I think it totally should be a reviewable situation. Unfortunately,

1513
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: I'll probably make the game go longer than what they want.

1514
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: But there's always gonna be this issue, and this is

1515
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: part of the NFL that's unfair to a defensive player,

1516
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: and it's always been that way. They want to score points,

1517
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: so so you should always tell your defensive players this.

1518
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: You're up against it. It's an inequity in football, and

1519
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: the inequity is that it's all about the offense getting

1520
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: the rules favored and tilted towards their way. So this

1521
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: is going to continue to take place, and we can

1522
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: yell out foul play foul play all we want, but

1523
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: ultimately they're gonna protect the quarterbacks and they're gonna do things.

1524
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: This is gonna produce a scoring points, yes, because that

1525
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: is what keeps this league as popular. Lights, Yes, keeps

1526
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: the lights on. We've been talking about just how good

1527
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: by the way that it has been in this this

1528
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: conference with the quarterbacks and why this feels like a

1529
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: very golden age of the NFL. Right now, get back

1530
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: speaking of quarterbacks forty nine ers g John Lynch a

1531
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: few minutes ago, I think brock Purty has earned right

1532
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: with the way he's played that he's probably the leader

1533
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse at that if if we were to

1534
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: line up, he'd probably take that first snap. Yeah, okay,

1535
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: and rightfully so, and there it is. I mean, all

1536
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: he's got to do now is recover from like arm replacements. Right,

1537
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: he didn't have Tom John, he has something else, right, Yeah. Well,

1538
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: and it was very swollen, so it took a while

1539
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: to even be able to get in there and to

1540
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: get get work done, to get it going. Yeah, I'm

1541
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: trusting him over Lance right now. I mean, he's done more.

1542
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: And what are they gonna do with Lance? If party

1543
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: continues to ball out? Let him ball out? For Trey

1544
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: Lance ball out in preseason and hope some light takes it.

1545
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: But then you know what they've created, though Nathan can

1546
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: appreciate this in their own weird way, No, not nowhere

1547
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: near the same. They've created a scenario whereas like, okay,

1548
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: if say Lance can ball, and we know Party can,

1549
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: He's good. They got there. Joe Mint at one point

1550
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: time to forty nine is and eighties guys, and they

1551
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,959
Speaker 1: you should know this, Oh I know this hat Joe Montana,

1552
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: Steve Young and Steve Bono and roster. Yeah, we'll three

1553
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: of those guys play quarterback at extremely high level. Yeah,

1554
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: Steve Bono would be thrilled and his family very happy

1555
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation with the other two gold Jackets.

1556
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, Steve Bono was a very good backup two

1557
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: or fifteen and one record one season, a good starter

1558
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: when he got the opportunity. You know, you're right, You're right,

1559
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: Steve Bono. You gotta love that. And that's that's Bay

1560
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: Area product right there, though. That is I like it.

1561
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: That's that's good stuff right there. Girard. All right, when

1562
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: we come back here, we're gonna take a look at

1563
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: the Browns roster as it stands today with Gerard, So

1564
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: we'll take a look at that. And and Andrew Burry's

1565
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job kind of filling and fleshing

1566
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: out this roster, so we'll take a look at that

1567
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: when we come back here on Cleveland Browns Daily. Brought

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:58,120
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1569
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: you by bally Bett, Coming soon to Ohio on eight

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01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. All Right, welcome back to Len Brown Dailey,

1571
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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bally Beck, Coming soon to Ohio.

1572
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura and Gerard Cherry with you along with the

1573
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: great Gibbe of course here on CBD, wrapping it up

1574
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: for you on a Monday. Obviously a busy day here.

1575
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: We've gone through a lot of things, but it's really

1576
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: been a busy offseason for Andrew Barry, and so one

1577
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: of the things we wanted to take a look at

1578
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: with Gerard is what does this team look like now?

1579
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 1: What does this roster look like as we sit here today,

1580
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: now that Andrew Barry has gone through and he's made

1581
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the moves that he has made, and

1582
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: so Girard will start on the offensive side of the

1583
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: ball quarterback room, DeShawn Watson. You've brought back Josh Dobbs

1584
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: and you still have Kellen mind. Well right there, you

1585
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: got guys that can do what run the office in

1586
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: the same manner of fashion as Deshn Watson because they

1587
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: have what Simler skills set as Watson. So you don't

1588
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: have to deviate from your playbook a lot in order

1589
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: to get the job done. So that's huge. So that

1590
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: sign of Josh is tremendous. And I know people like

1591
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: Wolf if he's playing every down and does I give

1592
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: you for a playoff chances? I don't know that, but

1593
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: I do know this. There might be a spot where

1594
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: he needs to come in for a play a series

1595
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: or even a game. And I trust Dobbs to get

1596
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 1: the job done. I knew too, And you got to

1597
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: see him a little bit at the end of the season.

1598
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: And look, the truth is, you need Deshaun Watson to

1599
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: be healthy for this seemed to be a team of

1600
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: great consequence. But could Josh Dobbs come in and get

1601
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: you a win here or there? We all think absolutely,

1602
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: hecko first down, Yeah, that's all right, And I think

1603
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: that great that he were able to get him back here.

1604
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: We interviewed him last week. Such a great guy and

1605
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: it's awesome to have him back with the Browns. All right,

1606
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: let's look at the running back position. Nick Chubb, Jerome Ford,

1607
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: last year's fifth round pick, John Kelly, Nate McCrary, Jared.

1608
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: I've been saying, I feel like this is a position

1609
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: that the Browns could address in this draft because it's

1610
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: a very talented draft, or they could bring in another veteran,

1611
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: certainly to help with pass pro on third downs. Jared

1612
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: McKinnon's name I've kind of bandied about. Yeah, that certainly

1613
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: is the case. But you also know too a base

1614
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: on the guys who are on a roster because you're

1615
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 1: saying yourself, all right, Jerome, you're gonna have an opportunity

1616
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: to get the job done. And Dmitric, this might be

1617
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: make or break for you. And Grinned. I think he

1618
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: has a skill set, but obviously we didn't hear much

1619
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: from him last year. So the talent is certainly there,

1620
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: even with the departure room expecting of Kareem Hunt not

1621
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: to be on this roster coming next season. But yeah,

1622
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: you could go to the draft route or you go

1623
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: free agency route. But as composed Nathan they're dangerous. Look

1624
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: with simple fact, you have who Nick Chubb on the

1625
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: roster right, and Nick Chubb's certainly a key piece there.

1626
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: We look at the receiver room and this is the

1627
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: one that has been remade the most. You've got Amari Cooper, Donovan,

1628
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: People's Jones now, Elijah Moore, Marquise Goodwin, and then so

1629
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: many others Jachem Grant, David Bell. That's six right there,

1630
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: Dalen Baldwin, Jalen Dard and Mike Hartley Junior, Anthony Schwartz,

1631
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: Isaiah Weston, Michael Woods the second and Marquez Stevenson going

1632
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: to be tough, you know, to make this room you

1633
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: feel like it locks. Cooper more dominant. People's Jones and

1634
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: David Bell are probably locks, and it would feel like

1635
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Marquis Goodwin, and provided that he can do what he's

1636
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: done throughout his NFL career, he would be a lock

1637
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,919
Speaker 1: there as well. And then jackiem Grant could be your returner.

1638
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: But a lot of receivers on this roster now, and

1639
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: a lot of competition, and that's the key part. There

1640
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot of competition. Last year. I felt on several

1641
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 1: occasions certain players were getting a handed position and couldn't

1642
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: take what was given to him, and you won't have

1643
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: that situation this year. From a standpoint where we're trying

1644
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: to develop this guy and see what he can become.

1645
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: I think you have right now with the first three

1646
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: or four names that you name of guys who could

1647
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: flat out prove that they could play at the level

1648
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 1: in which we needed to play. And he gives you

1649
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: also with Woods that speed element and what that represents.

1650
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: So if you are on his roster and you're trying

1651
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: to be that fifth or six guy, you're gonna have

1652
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: your work cut out for you. Not that the first

1653
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: four won't, but we've seen with the guys that you name,

1654
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: is the first four guys who will assume gonna make

1655
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: the roster to be guys that are proven guys who

1656
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: have done what they needed to do to show you that, hey,

1657
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: this is a skill core And more importantly, Nathan, you

1658
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: have on this receiving group, everyone has a different skill

1659
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: set that's gonna make a defense coordinate have to think

1660
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 1: how do we ski against this? How do we stop that?

1661
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: Because okay, all right, we're all trying to take away

1662
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: the all the top with wood zone field or a

1663
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: good one. Now, that's gonna allow Coop and domin people's

1664
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: jones to just eat DB's alive one on one coverage

1665
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: and exploit zone situations. So I love what this unit

1666
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: has in place. I do too. I think it's gonna

1667
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. And then I also like

1668
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: what's going on in our tight end room. David d Joku,

1669
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant back Jordan Aikins comes in, a guy who

1670
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: had over a thousand yards just from Deshaun Watson alone

1671
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: on their time in Houston. Together, he can get down

1672
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: the field as a vertical guy six three two fifty.

1673
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: And then you've got Zayre Mitchell Payton as a developmental guy.

1674
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: But you wonder, do you carry three tight ends this year?

1675
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: And what does this room look like? But Najoku, Aikins,

1676
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: Bryant certainly a very strong room, right, You wonder about that?

1677
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: And how much will you employ eleven personnel? Because if

1678
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: you do that, you more'n likely he's gonna say, hey,

1679
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna only have two guys that we dress. But

1680
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: if you do get in a lot of multi tight

1681
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: end sets, then you got something beautiful going on there,

1682
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: because that's a mismatch man. So think about that. WHOA.

1683
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: If guys come to play and play what they're capable of,

1684
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,959
Speaker 1: you can create a lot of mismatches on this football

1685
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: field from a passing standpoint, and that's what you want.

1686
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: You want coordinators and players alike on the defensive side

1687
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: of the ball thinking where are they're going to attack

1688
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: us and not being able to anticipated. And that brings

1689
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: if these guys, as they look on paper what they've

1690
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: done in the past, perform, you have opportunity to do

1691
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: just that. So I love the tight end room represents.

1692
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: The only thing I would question though, is and Chief

1693
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: has gotten much better at it is when it's a

1694
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: running situation, how do we hold up in that regard? Right?

1695
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: And well, the interesting thing is zare Mitchell paid and

1696
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: you've seen him. He's a beast and they say he's

1697
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: more of a true why so he would be a

1698
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: blocker in that sense. The Chief has become such a

1699
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: great blocker for the Cleveland Browns. And we'll see, but

1700
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna I think we're gonna be in a lot

1701
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: more eleven personnel than we have been in the past,

1702
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: don't you makes all the sense in the world of

1703
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: being in that's that's gonna be harder to find. Yeah,

1704
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't see us being in a ten personnel that's

1705
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: your no. Our offensive line. The starters are back in tack.

1706
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Your top backups in many ways are back in tax

1707
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: certainly at the tackle position with James Hudson, and then

1708
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: on the interior Nick Harris back from his injury at

1709
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: the center position. You've got a mix of young guys battling,

1710
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and then the news that Wes Martin will come into

1711
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: the fold, who's got eleven starts under his belt, but

1712
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: obviously a strength of the team. And it feels like

1713
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: you kind of you've got you know, your top eight

1714
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: guys are here right now, and you could probably even

1715
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: go and add one in the draft if you want,

1716
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: exactly and the fact that you have like Forbes, I'm

1717
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: talking more to the backup guys. You need guys like

1718
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: as we saw last year and what Froholt was able

1719
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: to do. You have to have that ability and then

1720
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: post it what he was more importantly able to do

1721
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: right in the backup role. Next you though, he finds

1722
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: himself with a new contract and the starter and yeah,

1723
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: prior to getting hurt, he was someone playing giving you

1724
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: some of the best center play in the National Football

1725
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: League according to them, the measurements to rank those plays

1726
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: and who's fell in who's succeeding. So, yes, you need

1727
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: backups who can play when the numbers called. But more importantly,

1728
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: you always need depth in the offensive line in a

1729
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 1: defensive line as well, because of what takes place in

1730
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: the trenches and the wear and tear that goes on

1731
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: in that arena. Indeed, so we're pretty loaded on offense

1732
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: to your point. Defensively, we've remade kind of that defensive

1733
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: line room the addition of Dalvin Tomlinson on the interior,

1734
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: Obo Okaronquo on the exterior there, so you've got Miles

1735
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: double O seven, Isaiah Thomas, alex Right at end, and

1736
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: then at the defensive tackle position. Now you've broughten a

1737
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of guys to compete. But you got Dalvin, you

1738
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: got perry On, you got Jordan Elliott, and then Tristan

1739
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: Hill was signed, Maurice Hurst was signed, Tommy toy I

1740
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: was drafted here, Roderick perry an underraft the free agent

1741
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: last year. Then Ben still joined the team in the

1742
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: middle of last year. But a lot of competition, there's

1743
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: some talented guys Hill was a second round picked. Maurice

1744
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: Hurst obviously very talented whenever he's played formerly out of Michigan. Right,

1745
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: And what you like again, is this notion that hey, competition,

1746
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: the idea that, Hey, in order to be out here,

1747
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make plays. In order to be

1748
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: out here. You just can't wrestle in the laurels that

1749
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: you were a draft pick. That's not gonna work. You

1750
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: need to make plays. Urgency is in a full effect,

1751
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: not just hey, we'll wait and see how you develop. No,

1752
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 1: if you want to keep a job and your livelihood

1753
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: going in the National Football League and particularly playing for

1754
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: the Browns, you better go out there and perform. And

1755
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: on top of that, we were on the size of

1756
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 1: that position. We got pushed around in that position a

1757
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: lot last season. That cannot happen again because, as you know,

1758
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: we cannot try to. You won't win a game if

1759
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: you can't stop the run you want, and we will

1760
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: not win a game. If I watch you're on a

1761
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: football feeling you push five yards on the field. Yep, No,

1762
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. And not only that, it helps us

1763
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: next group, the linebackers of the Cleveland Browns, and you

1764
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: got j Ok obviously, Jacob Phillips, Tacky Toki is back,

1765
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: Hunashak is back, Tony Fields, We've got Anthony Walker Junior

1766
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: is back. So it's a lot of the same guys

1767
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: from a year ago. You added Matthew Adams who's on

1768
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: Special Team's ace Bubba Ventron very high on him. So

1769
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: that's a groom that you're bringing back. A lot of

1770
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: the guys if they can say healthy obviously it can

1771
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: be very good. But the guys up front should make

1772
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: it easier for the linebackers to make plays. When you've

1773
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: got a guy like Dalvin Thomlinson eating some space and

1774
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: eating up some blockers. Yeah, I buy into that because

1775
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: we saw firsthand impact of not having guys and eating

1776
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: up space and getting pushed around at the same time. Though, Nathan,

1777
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: those young guys, in particular the jks, the films of

1778
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: the world, they need to take that jump to where

1779
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, how are you shedding a block, how

1780
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: are you shooting the gap? Are you in the right

1781
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: run gap responsibility? Are you doing the right pass covers

1782
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: drops and not getting food by play action pass and

1783
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: things of that nature. You have to take that next

1784
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: step because way to me. Times I saw guys with

1785
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: both hands up talking about or point fingerpoint, like though

1786
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: that's your gap, that cannot occur. It cannot occur again

1787
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: this season. No, we got to be assignment sound, and

1788
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: I think Jim Schwartz is gonna be all over that

1789
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: corner room. You've got Denzel greg and Martin Emerson. AJ

1790
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Green is back, and then Mike Ford Thomas Graham also

1791
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: on the roster. The Browns probably will add some corners

1792
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: I would guess in the draft to that group, but

1793
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: your top three is excel. AJ Green a good depth

1794
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: player there. And then in the safety room, Gerard getting

1795
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: Thornhill was key. You'll start Thornhill and delp It. You

1796
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: got Anthony Bell on the roster as well. D Anthony Bell,

1797
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: but I think we need another safety in there as well.

1798
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: I could see us make the move another safety. And

1799
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: I love what d Anthony did last training camp and

1800
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: how he played, and he has some opportunities to get

1801
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: in the game now when he got those opportunities hit

1802
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: and miss far as his performance, But obviously when you

1803
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: watch Bell, not Belle excusing delp It, he came on

1804
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: strong at the end. So you're very encouraged by that,

1805
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and Thornhill's obviously proven. But to have one more guy

1806
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: who I'm gonna assume it's gonna take Ronnie Harrison's spot.

1807
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world to me

1808
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: as well, just to have from a depth standpoint in experience,

1809
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: standpoint right, you need somebody. It's just it's the nature

1810
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: of the beast that people are going to get injured

1811
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: and right now a little bit thin at that safety spot.

1812
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: That's a look at the Brown's roster with the great

1813
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: guest Gerarde Cherry here today when we come back, final

1814
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: thoughts were wrapping up, but so much more to come. Here.

1815
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,360
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1819
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: joining us here today. Grid what's coming up on the

1820
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: next level. I'm pretty sure we would chop up even

1821
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: more so on the Lamar Jackson story and what the represents,

1822
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: as well as talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers in their

1823
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: winning ways and what they've done to get prepared for

1824
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs, playoffs. We are talking playoffs when it comes

1825
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Cavaliers. That's coming up on the next

1826
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: level tomorrow. Jim Donovan, the voice of the Browns, joins

1827
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: me here in the dog Bowl for Gibe and Gerard.

1828
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,320
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