1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: If you're on the Internet, you've probably seen a rise 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: in a certain kind of social media video. I know 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: I have. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Here's everything I prep for my husband for the next 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: two days. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Tradwives. 7 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: The definition of a tradwife is not merely someone who 8 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: stays at home, but who romanticizes it. Where we are 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: looking back not only to the way things worked in 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: the fifties, but the values that families had in the fifties. 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: They are wives and mothers making beautiful, elaborate meals for 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: their husbands and children, sometimes wearing designer dresses. The Internet 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: has been quick to call them tradwives, women who advocate 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: for traditional gender roles, and some of them are Latin US. 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: We won. 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: A launch, but they're not letting themselves get boxed in 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: from Futromedia and the RX, It's USA. I'm Marian Josa 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: today a collaboration with Imperfect Paradise from Las Studios. We 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: go deep with a viral Latina tradwife and we're joined by. 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: Host Antonio Sadaji. 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: Though so Antonia, we used to work together. The first 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: time Donald Trump was elected. We were actually in the 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: same newsroom here in New York City. Fast forward to 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I'm in New York, you're in LA 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump wins again. Latinos came out for this 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Republican candidate, winning forty six percent of their votes. Donald 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Trump broke the record for the percentage of Latino votes 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: for a Republican candidate. 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: And while I know Latinos are not a monolith, I 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: wanted to understand what's informing Latino attitudes and their decisions 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: culturally and politically. What are some of the forces that 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: Influencedino values in this country. We're doing a special three 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 4: episode series all about this question, and on today's episode, 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: we are turning towards TikTok. And I think there's one 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 4: corner of TikTok that is particularly enlightening, and that's Latina 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: tradwife TikTok. Is that I remember scrolling TikTok as a 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 4: distraction to my anxiety on election day. I had re 38 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 4: downloaded it after some months of being off TikTok, and 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: the first ten videos I got were like these women 40 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: with like super long painted fingernails and they were making 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: lonche or lunch for their husbands. 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 5: Y'all better not start in the comments talk about just 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: pack at the night before, girl, are you the one 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 5: getting up bright and early to feed my man? 45 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 4: I think the hell not. And then I went to 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: the comments, and people were either like idolizing them, you know, 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: being wow, like that's so beautiful, gmoso that you're making 48 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: lunch for your husband, or people being like, oh my god, 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 4: I would never wake up at three am for my husband, 50 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 4: like that's insane. And I just, you know, I fell 51 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: down the Datina tradwife rabbit hole. 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: Now there is a larger tradwife movement on the Internet 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: of mostly white, affluent Christian and Mormon women. I'm thinking 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: of the very well known tradwife Ballerina Farm. 55 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: We are making a rubbed heart. 56 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 6: We got ready for church, the girls and I got 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 6: started on the hamburger buns, sourdoa candles, when new tinsels, 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 6: and honey and seasoning and dish soap, granola, all of it. 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: Many of these women don't explicitly talk about politics, but 60 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: they do seem sort of maga coated in the sense 61 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 4: that they reflect a cultural return to very gendered family values, 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: which means women are responsible for raising the children and 63 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: taking care of the home, cooking and cleaning while men 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: are out earning the money now. 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Of course, Mexican and Latina women have been feeding and 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: taking care of their families since pre Columbian times. I mean, 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: my mom cooked every single day, and you know it 68 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: was a part of what made my home really special. 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting to see this practice of making food 70 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: for one's family presented in this potentially maga coated way, 71 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: yearning for this past where men and women had these 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: traditional roles. And one of the things we covered a 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: lot at Latino USA was how more and more Latino 74 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 4: women are getting higher education degrees. And that's part of 75 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: the reason we see this big gap between Latino men 76 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: and women in terms of how they're voting, because it 77 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: tends to be that people who are more educated tend 78 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 4: to vote in more progressive ways. And watching these women, 79 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: you know, these Latino tradwives, I was transfixed by them 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 4: and I was thinking to myself, I actually don't know 81 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: where these women stand. Like they're presenting this idealized lifestyle, 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: but I actually don't know what they care about. What 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: are these women's political beliefs and what's influencing and informing 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: those beliefs. 85 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: And so this week on Latino USA, we are going 86 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: to trace the story of one Latina trad wife. Her 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: name is Lupita and Argerida Antonia Sejido is going to 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: take it from here. 89 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: Lupita has over half a million followers on TikTok under 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: the handle Louvo. On Instagram, she has over one hundred thousand. 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 4: She's thirty three. She's got long, flowing black hair and 92 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: wears tight clothing that accentuates her curvy fit figure. There 93 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: is a lot of variety in her videos. Sometimes she's 94 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: lip syncing or dancing to musica. She could be shopping 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 4: at the grocery store, pumping gas, or even one time 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: riding a horse. She also talks about empathy, caring for others, 97 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: and inner beauty. You know. 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: Instet Merina. 99 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: But there are two kinds of videos that are sort 100 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: of her bread and butter and tend to perform the best. 101 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: The first kind are these cooking videos that she records 102 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: in her outdoor rustic kitchen, Oh You. And the second 103 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 4: type of video is a genre that got me down 104 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: the Latina trodwife path. To begin with the videos where 105 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: she makes lunche or lunch for her blue collar husband 106 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: at three a m. She films those in her indoor 107 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: kitchen Lanchez delivery. In the videos, we can see Lupita 108 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: smizing at the camera between quick takes of her chopping 109 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: sauteng and packing up food like aonias meatballs, stuffed bell peppers, 110 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 4: chicken and mole into her husband's lunch pack. 111 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 7: Magnanas I was very excited when Lupita responded to an 112 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 7: email for me and said I could come visit her 113 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 7: in Fresno, where she lives with her husband and two children. 114 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: After driving nearly four hours from La we arrived to 115 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: the middle class, suburban blurred neighborhood of Fresno. Poopita's house 116 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: is an average ranch style home with three beds and 117 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 4: two bats on a quiet street. She greeted us at 118 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: the door, and my first thought was that she was 119 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: very sweet and pretty, but also anxious. She immediately said 120 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: that she rarely had guests over. My team and I 121 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: set up our gear and headed to her sunny, bright backyard. 122 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: This is where we're going to be making the tortillas. 123 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: This is where I usually make the homemade food. 124 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: Noopita was wearing up tube top, snug flair yoga pants 125 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 4: and her jet black hair woven into two braids that 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: gently fell on either side of her face. In the 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 4: middle of the yard, there was a rustic outdoor kitchen 128 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: with a traditional comide. 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: And just put a little bit of fire on it. 130 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: A flat round griddle that's used to make dorothiez. 131 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 132 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 7: I built this. 133 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: My husband build it for warm me not too long ago. 134 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: There's a large Mexican flag hanging at the back of 135 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: the kitchen and several animal skulls hanging on the sidewall. 136 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 5: And he's very into like hunting, so this is actually 137 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 5: real deer that he hunts, so he put it there 138 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 5: to give it a nice little touch to the kitchen. 139 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 4: It was surreal to be standing in the kitchen I 140 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: had seen so many times and the star of the 141 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: show was standing in front of me. I watched as 142 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: she recorded a new TikTok video. 143 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so we're gonna. 144 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: Do that video. 145 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 4: Lupita is moving around a tripod that's holding her phone 146 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: recording as she prepares a soup la. She's warming up 147 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 4: a saucer with water and cutting up ingredients like garlic 148 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 4: and onion. 149 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: I show me and then I show how I'm caringa onion. 150 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: When Lupita is filming a full body shot. I catch 151 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: her batting her eyelashes and smiling at the camera. 152 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 5: I feel like the camera calls for me, and I'm 153 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 5: passionate about it. 154 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: Today. Lupita estimates that she makes three thousand dollars a 155 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: month off TikTok. The platform pays creators based on how 156 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: many views their videos get. She says she normally makes 157 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 4: an additional five hundred on Instagram, and if she has 158 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: a sponsorship, she can make up to four thousand a month. 159 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: She's partnered with Vita Coco, Google hair Extensions, Weavy Talk, 160 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: which is a hair care line, and even Rahida, who 161 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: asked her to promote their song Vicaviga. Lupita started creating 162 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 4: social media content when she was seventeen years old. Initially, 163 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: she posted photos of her outfit of the day, viral dances, 164 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: and also started playing around with cooking videos on Facebook. 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: But after she got married and her kids were no 166 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: longer infants, that's when she started making what the Internet 167 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 4: likes to call tradwife content. 168 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 5: Esmikos is. 169 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: La vida. 170 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 4: Lukita thinks that what makes her videos popular is that 171 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: she combines fantasy with relatability. 172 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: I think the ranch life is the fantasy. 173 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: She doesn't live on a ranch, but her elaborate outdoor 174 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: kitchen was modeled off the kitchen at her in laws 175 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 4: ranch in Meetwalk, on Mexico. She likes to role model 176 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: the traditional Mexican woman who makes fresh, homemade food. 177 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 5: I think it's a fantasy for a woman to be 178 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: out here in the full wall and making tortillas. Nowadays, 179 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 5: a lot of women don't know how to make tortillas. 180 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 5: But I think when it comes to lunch, I think 181 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 5: is a little bit more relatable. That's why my lunch 182 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 5: videos they were so popular. Right now, the lunch videos 183 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 5: are trending everywhere. A lot of women are making them 184 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 5: for their husband. 185 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: So you were recording something you were already doing, Like 186 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 4: before the recording the videos for TikTok, you were already 187 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: waking up before it. Why do you wake up so 188 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: early for your husband? 189 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 5: I wake up so early because it's like a just 190 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: of love. He wakes up every day to work five 191 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: in the morning, and we know that it's not easy 192 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 5: to work. Everything's expensive now, So I said, if I 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 5: can do something nice to show him that he's worthy 194 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: of my time and that I could also sacrifice, why not. 195 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 5: It doesn't take a long time. I'm home all day. Hey, 196 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 5: this is your lunch fresh. 197 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: Lupita says that she thinks that men, especially like her videos, 198 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: that they like seeing an attractive young woman playing that 199 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: traditional role for her husband and for her. The goal 200 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 4: is not just views and likes. She sees herself as 201 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: trying to course correct the dynamic between women and men. 202 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're advocating for, like the traditional 203 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: wife lifestyle also. 204 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: So it doesn't die down? 205 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're worried it's going to die down. Yeah, why 206 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 4: are you worried about that? 207 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: What I'm just saying is like, you can be a 208 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 5: business woman but also be very feminine and still take 209 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 5: care of your kids, still be that old school woman, 210 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 5: but still be like empower to yourself, if that makes sense. 211 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, the surprising influence that inspired 212 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Lupita to defend more traditional family roles, and we talk 213 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: about who she voted for or didn't stay with us. Yes, 214 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Hey we're back and you're listening to the first episode 215 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: of a collaboration between Latino USA and In Perfect Paradise. 216 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: Reporter Antonia Seihido was telling us about TikToker Lupita. 217 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 4: Did you feel like we were getting pressured to not 218 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: be feminine. 219 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 5: I think I was getting pressure to be very masculine. 220 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: I grew up in a household very masculine, my mother 221 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 5: making decisions, answer and calls. 222 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: Going into this interview, I had assumed that Lupita got 223 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: her value system through her religious life, but the truth 224 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 4: is that her values were actually a rejection of certain 225 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: archetypes she saw growing up. Lupita was born and grew 226 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 4: up in Fresno. 227 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 5: I was born Chicana, was born here, but my mom 228 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: was always very busy in working. 229 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: She was a businesswoman. 230 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 5: She grew up seeing a lot of poverty and she 231 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 5: wanted to break out of that. So she didn't want 232 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 5: to be a traditional home life. She wanted to be 233 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 5: a business woman. 234 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: Could you tell me just what your parents did while 235 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 4: you were growing up. 236 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 5: They have their own merchandise business. They sell merchandise for 237 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 5: like you know, people in the music industry. 238 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 4: Things like hats for being northeno Aks, like Julio and Albarez. 239 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: Lupita's mom ran the business with her stepfather. 240 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 5: She w owns the calling the events, calling the stadiums, 241 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 5: getting the permissions, and my dad would just like kind 242 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 5: of like just swallow onto her, just make sure everything's good. 243 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: Her mom was very much not a traditional housewife. 244 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: She didn't really cook a lot. 245 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 5: She would cook like maybe like little soups off in there, 246 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 5: but she didn't want to be a traditional home wife. 247 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: I grew up seeing this, and I kind of saw. 248 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: That sometimes making all the decisions yourself is very stressful. 249 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 5: I saw my mom very stressed. I don't think she 250 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 5: got to enjoy a lot. 251 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: That's interesting. You saw the stress, and you're like, I 252 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: don't want that in my best too much. 253 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, but the person that she brought to the house 254 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: was my cousin, and she took care of us. 255 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: Upita says that her mom had paid for a Coo 256 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 4: yote to bring her cousin across the border from Mexico 257 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: into the US in exchange for having her take care 258 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: of the household chores. 259 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 5: And she would make this delicious food for the whole family, 260 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: including my mother, And I was just like this food 261 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 5: is amazing, like so good, and I fell in love 262 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 5: with the kitchen. I was a child, you know, my 263 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 5: sister was upstairs putting music. My brother was like playing games, 264 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: and I said, what is she doing? So I went 265 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: to the kitchen and I would just stay there and 266 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 5: look at her watcher. She said, you want to make 267 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 5: a tortilla. I said, no, I don't think I can 268 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 5: do that. Come on, let me teach you. And she 269 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 5: told me, don't take a defense at the woman should 270 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: know how to do this. You're fifteen, you should know 271 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: how to make these kind of foods. 272 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: So she was very old school. 273 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: Lupita had these two very different examples of what being 274 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: a woman looked like. Her mother, who made money for 275 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: the family and didn't have time to cook and could 276 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: often be stressed out, and her mother's cousin was an 277 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: expert at household tasks. And while one lifestyle was already 278 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 4: appealing a lot more to her than the other, it 279 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: was only once she got married herself that she understood 280 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 4: what kind of wife and eventually mother she wanted to be. 281 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 4: How did you meet your husband? 282 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: I met my husband in one of the events that 283 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: I was working on with the music business, Yeah, the 284 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: music business, And he came over to the booth said hello, miss, 285 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 5: you know how much is this hat? And I said, 286 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 5: oh, I was twenty five. But then he said, oh, I 287 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 5: just came to talk to you. Yeah, so he was 288 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 5: like throwing his little shots and just being romantic and everything, 289 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 5: and it started from there. 290 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: In the love story, it was it love at first sight. 291 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: I think. 292 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 5: So it was like you just knew. He makes me 293 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 5: feel protected. I feel protected with him more than anything protected. 294 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: When they first met, Lupita's husband painted houses. They got 295 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: married in twenty fourteen, when she was twenty years old. 296 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: They bought their house shortly after, and then came two kids. Initially, 297 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: her husband didn't want her to be on social media 298 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: at all. 299 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: When I first got married. 300 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 5: My husband's rule, get rid of all your social media? 301 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 4: Really yeah, and how'd you feel about that? Then? 302 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: I did do it. 303 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 5: I was really big on Facebook back then. I think 304 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: I have one video that I saved before he deleted everything. 305 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: But I said, okay, you know what, this is not 306 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 5: meant for me. Social media's getting gone for me. 307 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: So I stopped. You know, that was his what year 308 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: was that? That was maybe like twenty fifteen. So I 309 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: deleted it. 310 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 5: But for some reason, after we had our children, I said, hey, 311 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 5: I already had my children. How do you feel if 312 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: I jumped back and children? No, No, a lot of 313 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 5: people are going to see my family how they're going 314 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: to feel. 315 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: What was he nervous his family was going to feel. 316 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: You know, just like attention more than anything. 317 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: Attention because that's what people see social media, so you 318 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 5: want attention. 319 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: And at that point, did you know you wanted to 320 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: be a housewife or it was like after meeting him, 321 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, I could be a housewife. 322 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 5: It was like a tug of warp at first, and 323 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 5: we were like fighting because I was testing new waters. 324 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 5: I saw growing up that my mother had all the 325 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 5: pants and all this power, so I said, I have 326 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 5: to administer the money. 327 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: I have to do this, I have to do that. 328 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 5: So he was just like, this is not the way 329 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 5: that I grew up. It was like very like clashing. 330 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 5: And then as time, I don't know if it was 331 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: meant to be. I saw a TikTok saying, you know, 332 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 5: let a man be a man and the woman be 333 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 5: a woman. Take it down a little bit and like 334 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 5: be a little bit submissive. 335 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: But it was a woman that was very motivational. 336 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 5: It was a Mexican woman and she was said, why 337 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 5: are you trying to take on a role of a 338 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 5: man when you already have the role of being a mother, 339 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 5: taking care of kids, and you want to add on 340 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 5: to be doing what the man does. So I said, relax, 341 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 5: let him lead. Let's see where it goes. 342 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: How did that change your life? Like, how did that 343 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: actually play out? 344 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 5: I'm in peace. I'm in peace because when you're a woman, 345 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 5: you already have enough. And then telling him how to 346 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 5: run the house, telling him what to do, just let 347 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 5: him be a man, let him lead you, and yeah, 348 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 5: it has work. The more I shut up, I know 349 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: it sounds bad, but the more that I shut up 350 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: and stop whining, I see. 351 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: That it works. 352 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 4: Eventually, Lupita's husband, Kevin, softened to the idea of Lupita 353 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 4: making videos again. She said that once he saw how 354 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 4: passionate she was about it, he became okay with it. 355 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: I later spoke to Kevin on the phone to get 356 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 4: his side of the story, and I asked him why 357 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: he deleted all of Lupita's social media. 358 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 7: I don't know, if it's just like mature. 359 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: He said that he was nineteen and immature at the time. 360 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: He also told me that he likes that Lupita takes 361 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 4: on a traditional role at the home and it's how 362 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 4: he was raised, so he thinks it's normal. 363 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 5: But I'm not like the traditional men like a great 364 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 5: web or something like that. I'm more like shield did 365 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: you grow up with? 366 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: That was your mom like the housekeeper at home and 367 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: your dad made the money. 368 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 6: Yes, for me, that's something I see all my life. 369 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 6: So for me, it's like something normal. I don't feel like, oh, really, 370 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 6: they have to do it because that's the job or 371 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 6: something like that. 372 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 4: She does, so I like, yeah, like you wouldn't want 373 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 4: to force someone in that situation, but if they like it, 374 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 4: you like it. Yes. He also said that now he's 375 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 4: really supportive of her videos and thinks it's cool that 376 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: she's making her own money from something that she loves 377 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: to do, and that all the money she makes he 378 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 4: wants her to keep for herself. In the next five years, 379 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 4: Lupita told me she sees herself expanding into creating a 380 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: business selling her own products leggings and health supplements. Today, 381 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: she settled into her routine. She wakes up at four 382 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: in the morning, makes lunch for her husband, takes her 383 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 4: kids to school, goes to the gym, keeps making content 384 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 4: while her kids are at school, and then picks them up. 385 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: Do you get lonely? 386 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 6: Uh? 387 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 5: I think before I had my kids, I was lonely. 388 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 5: I think now I'm very comfortable with being alone. I 389 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 5: think that's my strength. I think right now my weakness 390 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 5: is to socialize. Now I'm too comfortable with being alone 391 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: too much that I need to like socialize more because 392 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 5: I need to. 393 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: Know what's going on. 394 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: Do you feel like social media is your community? 395 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: Yes? 396 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 5: Yes, social media is my community for sure. I enjoy 397 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: very much. 398 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: I want us to know about Lupita's politics. I saw 399 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: a post of hers where she was at an anti 400 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: ICE rally in Fresno, but as my interview went on 401 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 4: with her, I had a hard time parsing out what 402 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: exactly her political position was. On the one hand, she 403 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: did seem very concerned about the immigration system in the 404 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: United States. 405 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 5: I think ICE should really try to help the Mexican 406 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 5: community just in general. I think people should be able 407 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 5: to be here free if you're paying taxes, and the criminals, 408 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: obviously they should be deported. But I think everyone has 409 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: the right to have an opportunity to better their life. 410 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: But Lupita also raise concern about an issue that's basically 411 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 4: become a bell weather for MAGA women. What are the 412 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: issues you most care about? 413 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 5: Child trafficking. I think that one hits my soul. I 414 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 5: don't think a lot of people talk about it. 415 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, the hashtag save the Children became viral 416 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: as a part of a QAnon conspiracy that liberal politicians 417 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: and celebrities like Barack Obama, Lady Gaga, Hillary Clinton, and 418 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 4: others were part of a cabal of elites who are 419 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: pedophiles and child murderers. Since then, there's been sustained panic 420 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: about child trafficking, especially online. 421 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 5: I think we are failing our kids because child trafficking. 422 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 5: Just because these kids are getting trafficked and you have 423 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 5: your kids at home doesn't mean it doesn't affect you. 424 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 5: It affects you because now you can't take your kids 425 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 5: and just leave them anywhere. You can't trust anybody. 426 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 4: Nubia told me that she had voted for Joe Biden, 427 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 4: but was quickly disillusioned by how expensive everything was during 428 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: his term. She became cynical, who did you vote for 429 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 4: in the last presidential election? 430 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: To be honest, if I'm completely honest with you, I 431 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 5: didn't really vote. I think either way v bothe of 432 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: the presidents are going to do as they wish, whatever's 433 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: best for them. I think we've seen that they really 434 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 5: haven't done anything to help the people, but make everything 435 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 5: rise so expensive living. So at the end of the day, 436 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 5: I think that they're going to do what they want 437 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: to do, whether you vote for them or this. 438 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: Like neither of the candidates inspired you. 439 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 440 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: Basically leaving Presno, I had a belly full of delicious 441 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: cheese soup made by Lupita and was feeling a mix 442 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: of warmth and weariness. Lupita had been so welcoming. She 443 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: was as charming in person as she is in her videos. 444 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: I also felt I fully understood what drew her to 445 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 4: her person sense of traditional values. While Lupita's messaging is 446 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: decidedly not feminist, especially what she has to say about 447 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: submitting to her husband, her personal narrative goes with the 448 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: larger theory that the rise of popularity of tradwife content 449 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 4: is a reaction to third wave feminism. Women made many 450 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: professional gains, but not necessarily gains in the domestic sphere, 451 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: often creating a double work day for women with families. 452 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: The tradwife is a rejection of that, an attempt to 453 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 4: create more labor equity in the relationship. In some ways, 454 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: it seems like it's working for Lupita, but spending so 455 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 4: much time alone at home is isolating and means that 456 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 4: one of the primary ways she interacts with the world 457 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 4: is through her phone. I was concerned about the trustworthiness 458 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: of the information she was getting through social media. I 459 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: called Lupita several months later to do some fact checking 460 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 4: about her own story, and she mentioned to me that 461 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 4: she's a fan of cam Owens, the far right commentator, 462 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: and also that she's really concerned about the murder of 463 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: children in Gaza. She even posted about its uses as 464 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 4: personas Inocentes, Lubida continued to defy categorization. Her political beliefs 465 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: don't appear rooted in democratic or Republican ideology, but instead 466 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: seem like a new concoction curated by the algorithm that 467 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: feeds the content on her for you page. She ended 468 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 4: the call by telling me that our time together meant 469 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 4: a lot to her. She told me that she feels 470 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 4: like she's in a new chapter of her life where 471 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 4: she wants to meet more people in person and quote 472 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: spread her wings. She told me that she's open to 473 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 4: voting in the future if there's a candidate she feels 474 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 4: wants to make the lives of immigrants and families safer, healthier, 475 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 4: and better. I found myself nodding along, kind of surprised 476 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: that the world Lubida ultimately wants to live in is 477 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 4: one that I want to live into. 478 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Coming up in the next two weeks of our special 479 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: collaboration with Elieist, social media isn't the only force influencing 480 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: Latino attitudes in this country. There's something else, hope, or 481 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: maybe the loss of it when it comes to the 482 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: American dream. But is the American dream being replaced by 483 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: the Mexican dream. Then later, we're going to take a 484 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: deep dive into a debate that's happening among Latino pollsters, 485 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: and we're going to look at the role that data 486 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: and messaging played in the last election and how that 487 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: influenced Latinos and their votes. This episode was written and 488 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: produced by Antonio Sejuido, the host of Imperfect Paradise. It 489 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: was edited by Maria Garcia and Marlon Bishop. Senior producers 490 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: for this episode were Emily Geren and Natalie Chovnowski. Production 491 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: help from Monica Moreles, Garcia, and James Chow. 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