1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. We have gotten to talk to 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: you so many times in the last couple of weeks. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: It's been actually incredible. We've had a week where we 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: did two episodes with a special episode than this. Last weekend, 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: we were able to celebrate with many of you on 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: our virtual engagement party for Jessica Clark and myself, but 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: mostly Jessica because she's awesome. And now we're back breaking 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: down another episode of Katie Thurston's season of The Bachelor. Yes, 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: it's Hometowns and we have the one and only Ashley 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: can Eddie here to help us break it down. The 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: one and only that is me. Well, Ben, what did 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: you do this weekend besides not going to NAPA for 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: your engagement party? I came back to Rhode Island after 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: a good stint at my parents, who babied me and 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: took care of me. Where my nursing team. I'm starting 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: to feel a little bit better, but not on would 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: because guess what last time I said that I threw 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: up seven times in one day, So knocking on lots 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: of wood. Um, I obviously don't do a lot of 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: things these days. Today is maybe a big day though, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: because Jared and I are going to find out the 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: gender of our child. I think sex is more appropriate 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: word there, but we're finding out the sex and our 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: child today and um, yeah, so we're just gonna We're 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna go to the beach and like sit on a 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: rock after a softball game and to open an email 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: from my doctor's office. Are you nervous? Are you like, 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: what are the emotions around this? Oh? My god, I'm 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: so nervous, and honestly, like so nervous. I got the 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: text a couple of days ago that we could find out, 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: but Jared and I wanted to be like together and 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: like have a moment, And I honestly was cool with 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: postponing at a couple days just because I'm so nervous, 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: just because I am, like, I feel bad if it's 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: a boy, he's gonna be like, Mom, you literally told 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: the whole media that you wanted a girl, and then 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: I'll be like, you know, but but then I had 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: you and it didn't matter because everybody says that like 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: legitimately went to the babies in your arms. You don't 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: care about anything like that. Um, but you know, like 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm just like always been such a girly girl, and 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: as I've always just dreamed of having a daughter. So 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, obviously I'll be happy either way. 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: And we got a whole bunch of tests back and 46 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: everything looks really good and healthy and normal, and that 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: is truly the most important thing. So I'm going to 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: be happy either way. By the time the boy is 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: old enough to call you out on this, it ain't 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna matter anymore. No, right, exactly, you're gonna matter. Well, 51 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: this is a big day, Okay. I've always wondered because 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: finding out the sex of your child it feels like 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: such an important thing. It feels like such a big thing. 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean it is a big thing. Yeah, but people 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: do it in so many different ways. And I'm like, 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: I think I would be sick to my stomach, not 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: not for any reason, Like, hey, honestly, I'm scared to death. 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have eight like little daughters. And that makes 59 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: me like, it keeps me up at night. It sounds 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: like a nightmare because that because you feel like you 61 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to relate to daughters, or because you'd 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: be so worried about Yeah, I'd be so worried. I'd 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: be just I know it, and I know this is 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: gonna happen, and I know it's how my life is 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna look. And I'm gonna have stomach cramps and definitely 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: a girl dad indiggestion forever. That's gonna be brutal. But anyways, Hey, 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: huge weeking for you. So you asked what Jessica and 68 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I did. We were supposed to go to NAPA. Jessica 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: was so excited for it. She had picked up new outfits. 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: She had told her friends and family, Um, they had 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: sent her gifts for Napa. Like she wants to go 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: to Napa so bad. We're gonna take her Nappa. Like, 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't feel that bad because like we're gonna I'm 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: gonna take her to NAP and we're gonna have a 75 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: great time. She just go next weekend, just like pick 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: up and do it. Well, that's a little difficult when 77 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm not uh in Denver for next two months. Uh, 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: we're what traveling. It's tough. It's tough. It's going to 79 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: be in Denver. But you mean for not sent a 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: period of time. Yeah, not for a weekend. But anyways, 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: we we'll go to Napa. And this weekend, when we 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: found out that NAPA was canceled supposedly, Uh, we said, okay, 83 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do it this weekend? And we said, 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna go and we're gonna have a great time together. 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: And so Friday night, after our virtual shower, we went 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: on a really nice day and we shared a bottle 87 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: of wine and we talked about life and we celebrate 88 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: each other because we don't get to be together alone 89 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: extremely often. And then Saturday, Uh met up for a 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: run and reran um about six miles together up a mountains. 91 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: So we did seven hundred feet of elevation without stopping. 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: It was our goal six Oh wait, you would s 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: smiles uphill without st Yes, we did. Ash. It was crazy. 94 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: She that is so beyond my comprehensions. Beyond mine too, 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: but my goodness. And then we went with our friends 96 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: on a hike It's called Maxwell Falls, a really popular 97 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: hike right right outside of Denver. And then we went 98 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to Ucci, a sushi restaurant for dinner that night, had 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: an incredible time. And then yesterday, Uh, she had a 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: wedding shower for one of her closest friends. I played 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: golf and so it actually ended up being uh weekend. Yeah, 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: it was awesome. So that was a big deal. And 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: then we tuned into our the little pre eclip or 104 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: pre episode that we get of The Bachelorette. Watched that together. 105 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: Jessica is all confused because she hasn't seen an episode 106 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: all season. I'm trying to catch her up. It's way 107 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: too late in the game to do that, but we 108 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: got to do that together. Life's good, Ashley. I'm very happy, 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and it was weekend. I needed just to be with 110 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: my girl hanging out and celebrating. Oh that's so so sweet. Yeah, well, 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys had that. I'm still like flabbergast 112 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: at the fact that you're not going to have a 113 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: weekend in Denver for two months, and that you went 114 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: uphill for six miles, Like you don't understand. Like I 115 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: can't run. Like before I was pregnant, I was. I 116 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: was in really good shape. I was doing those open 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: fit classes like four or five times a week. I 118 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: was feeling really good. But I have never been a 119 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: runner like I I used to. My high school was crazy. 120 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you, this, but okay, 121 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: so my high school totally overachieving public school in northern Virginia, 122 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: Langley High School. Shout out love you. You did great 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: for me. However, you had to run two and a 124 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: half miles and twenty minutes in order to get an 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: A two miles in a quarter to get a B. 126 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: And if you did just a ten ten minute mile, 127 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: you gotta see, like, that's how crazy it was. So 128 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: I was always happy to get a B in running. 129 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't like that consisted of your entire grade, but 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: that was like a portion in your grade. How crazy 131 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: is that? That's super fast? Like that's an athlete's status 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: to get an A two and a half miles in 133 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. What is that like average pace? Like I 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: think it's like seven that's pretty fast. Yeah, it's pretty fast. Fine, 135 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: maybe it's not seven thirty because that would be fourteen. Okay, 136 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm also bad at math. Anyway. It's running has just 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: been something that I've just always avoided. And the fact 138 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: that you did six miles up hill, I mean, sorry, 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm going on and on about this. It's just really 140 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: it's really something good for you guys, to shock and 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: surprise your world. And hey, it was that was the 142 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: whole points. We had a great weekend together and it 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: was something special. Well, actually, we're gonna take a break here. 144 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: We have a big episode to breakdown. Obviously, it's hometown 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: week and we get to meet Blake's family U Justin's 146 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: family as we now know since best friends doesn't show up, 147 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: but his best friends do come. And then we obviously 148 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: have probably, uh the shockingly most talked about hometown, or 149 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: at least character of this episode will be Greg. We're 150 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: gonna bring in some support to talk about Greg, to 151 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: break down everything that we're feeling, thinking, everything that we 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: felt watching those scenes between Katie and Greg. There's a 153 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: lot there. But we're gonna take a break first, and 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna come back with the breakdown of this week's Bachelorette. 155 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: Ben and I talked a little bit before we started 156 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: show right, and I was like, Ben, I felt nothing 157 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: the first forty minutes of this episode. I said out 158 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: loud to Jared, I go, something dramatic, better happened this 159 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: second half of this episode, or I am going to 160 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: have nothing to say. These hometowns left me feeling very little. 161 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: There was nothing monumental or point of conversation. First, we 162 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: start out with Blake's I liked Blake's mom Um. That 163 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: was the one that was my one takeaway. Ben, you 164 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: said that you had plenty to say, So let's start 165 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: out with Blake's how are you feeling well? I think 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I want to start this with ask seking a question 167 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: right back to you, Ashley, why did you feel nothing? Like? 168 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: Because there's obviously something about this that you were hoping 169 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: for or expecting, and because it didn't reach your hopes 170 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: and dreams, you felt nothing. Why is it that you 171 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: felt nothing? There was just nothing, Like, there was just 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: nothing revealing, Like we didn't learn anything extra about these 173 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: guys seeing them around their families. And I don't even 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: think it has to do with like going to the 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: actual hometown, because we've already had two seasons where they 176 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: like mimic the hometown. And I felt way more from 177 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: those families, and I felt like more connected to the 178 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: contestants through watching them with their families. And maybe I 179 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: got that a little bit with Greg when they were 180 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: talking about his dad and the fact that he had 181 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: had not been this happy and so long, um and 182 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, showing the picture of a dad and like 183 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: the nieces and nephews on the TV, like I felt like, Okay, Wow, 184 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: this guy like has an amazing family support system around him. 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: He really is as close to his family as he's 186 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: said that he is. UM with Justin. I think it 187 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: was weird that he didn't clarify to Katie why his 188 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: parents didn't go, because from what we saw, it seemed 189 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: as if, um, Justin's parents just weren't really condoning him 190 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: being part of this process and he it seemed like 191 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: they weren't in support of him getting engaged after such 192 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: a little amount of time and they didn't really want 193 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: to progress that. And then with Blake's family, it was fine, 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: it was nice, it was okay, but like I also 195 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I got I didn't like it wasn't 196 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: like an added layer was put on top of Blake 197 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: because of his family. Well, and I think that points 198 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: is something. It points to my to what I was 199 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: feeling was, you know, Blake I think does feel something 200 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: for Katie. I think this has been shockingly um more 201 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: real than he expected it to be, even showing up late, Like, 202 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: I think he's really into this and now we're watching 203 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: this kind of unfold at hometowns where things get serious 204 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: you're bringing your family into this and you're and his 205 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: family was almost pushing him to take a step, like 206 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: they were saying, do you really want to see this 207 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: girl go? So I wonder you know how much they 208 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: knew about Blake's crush on Katie or feelings for Katie 209 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: before he even left. I think they're excited about it. 210 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, based on being around this 211 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: a few times, how much Blake's family pushed him to 212 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: say say how you're feeling, or this is going to 213 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: be done, and almost saying Blake, like, we don't want 214 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: to see this not work out for you, like I 215 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: was since I was getting okay, I can get that. 216 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: I also feel like with Blake, he is very matter 217 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: of fact right, like he's not that'sn't come across as 218 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: a very emotional guy. We've talked about how like I 219 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: don't sense like romanticism from him. So it's like everything 220 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: he says seems like it's coming from a state of 221 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: fact instead of like a state of emotion. And I 222 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: feel like that's probably why he even didn't say anything 223 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: at the end, even though he was preparing himself to 224 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: say something. I feel like he can't get lost in 225 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: the moment a lot. I'm totally over analyzing to do 226 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: it as well. But okay, so then we flash forward 227 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: and this is all coming off to anybody out there listening, 228 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: This is all coming off Ashley's statement way before we 229 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: started this saying, Hey, this is gonna be a tough podcast, 230 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: because I honestly felt very little at the beginning of 231 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: this podcast. And so the hope of this conversation is 232 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: to pull out and anything good that we can take 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,479 Speaker 1: away from because obviously with the end of the podcast, 234 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: we're hoping something good comes from these first hometown dates. Well, 235 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: Justin's parents don't show up, uh, and I what I 236 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: think it does is it takes away from the show. 237 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with their decision. I do wish 238 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: they would have been there in support of Justin and 239 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: told him this to his face, like maybe, hey, we're 240 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna show up. We're gonna look at our son in 241 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: the eyes and say we're not gonna want to meet Katie, 242 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: or if we meet Katie, uh, we're gonna make it 243 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: very clear to both of you that we aren't in support. 244 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: If you're getting engaged, I thought, sitting in from a 245 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: distance over the phone, knowing that their son is going 246 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: through one of the most traumatic experiences of his life, 247 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: especially if he's there towards the end, and saying sorry, man, 248 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: we're just not gonna be there. Like, I felt like 249 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: that was hard to swallow. I didn't love that decision 250 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: quite honestly. Yeah, we really haven't seen that before with siblings, 251 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: but not with parents. It's just a parent, I believe, 252 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: like it's just nice to see them face to face, 253 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: like you miss them after a while, and and so 254 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: it had been nice if they would have told him 255 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that in person. Uh, And who knows why that didn't happen. 256 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: But I also feel like it takes away from the 257 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: show a bit because as a result, Justin's hometown is 258 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: not really I mean, I'm with you, Like it didn't 259 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: have a lot of emotional layer to it. His friends 260 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: were kind of being friends and they were talking, uh 261 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: to Katie, they were I feel like they were almost 262 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: censoring themselves and just trying to be there because they 263 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: knew Justin needed somebody around him during this really traumatic time. 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: But it fell short for me. I didn't learn a 265 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: lot about Justin during this whole date. Uh. It just 266 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: felt like it didn't need I'm just not feeling like 267 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: this is a couple that's gonna last to the end. 268 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a shot because the chemistry has 269 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: not been seen yet, especially on this date. Mm hmm, Yeah, totally. 270 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: And another thing worth mentioning is that Katie tells all 271 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: three I believe families that she's not saying I love 272 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: you to anyone because she doesn't think it would be 273 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: right if she did that while other guys were still 274 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: in the mix. And I actually really liked that. I 275 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: totally respect that. I think that's cool decision, and I 276 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: think it's a decision that the guys would prefer. Right 277 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: and then and then we get into the Greg sitch, 278 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: and but before we get there, is there anything else 279 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: that you think is worth mentioning? No, I think you're right, Ashley, Uh, 280 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: in the sense of, Hey, these first two homedowns, I 281 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: felt like there needed to be more that happened. Uh. 282 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: I do think that the Blake situation feels still even 283 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: um as I watch Blake and his family with together, 284 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: I do feel like there is something very like deep 285 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: in that relationship. But I will I will say this 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to Justin's time on the show. I think, 287 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think that was the moment where I realized, Yeah, 288 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work Anyways. We can fast forward to 289 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: Greg and you can take it away because I know 290 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: you have a lot of strong feelings about this, and 291 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: we are going to bring in somebody that we know 292 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: well to help us with this. Ashley, who were talking 293 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: with today, We are bringing in Dr Hillary Goldscher, who 294 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: has been on our podcast a lot to talk about 295 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: emotional insensitive subjects that come up on The Bachelor. We 296 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: got her on today last minute because I was watching 297 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: the episode and I was like, this is gaslighting to 298 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: the extreme? Right, Am I misinterpreting something? Did I not 299 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: watch carefully enough? I'm missing it? Um because I think 300 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: this guy is totally making up these issues out of 301 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: thin air, and he's making a huge deal and he's 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: he's making some of these issues or something that you 303 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: just can't come back from. I just think he was 304 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: twisting everything back onto Katie because and my theory is 305 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: that he just didn't he didn't want to be there anymore, 306 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: and like he didn't have strong enough feelings and this 307 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: was his way of making him not seeming like the 308 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: bad guy, but her seeming like the person that just 309 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: couldn't commit enough. So, Ashley, for anybody out there, like 310 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: myself who always needs clearly, what is gaslighting? All right, 311 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up like a real definition of gas lighting. 312 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: So it says gas lighting is a word for a 313 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is successful in 314 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: having the target question their own reality, their own memory 315 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: or perceptions. So basically, Greg in the situation, would make 316 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Katie feel like she did something that really messed with 317 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: their relationship when I don't think she did. So let's 318 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: let's get to the crux of the situation. Two weeks 319 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: ago or whatever, Greg said, I'm falling in love with 320 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: you with Katie. She didn't say that back. I don't 321 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: know if he was at all referring to that moment. 322 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: But like the big moment that he refers to in 323 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: this argument is when after he meets she meets the family, 324 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: she she sits down with Greg. He says, you filled 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: a hole in my heart that has been empty, you know, 326 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: basically since my father passed away, and I've truly never 327 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: been I don't remember the last time I was this 328 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: happy and he's very emotional, he's crying, and then he 329 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: claims that she did not give enough emotion or comfort 330 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: in that moment back to him, and then all of 331 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, he starts to think that she's not reciprocating 332 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: the feelings like she used to with him, So he's 333 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: immediately thinking her feelings must be stronger for somebody else. 334 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: And at that night, so like they're at the hometown 335 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: when you know, before she gets into the car and 336 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: all that, I'm thinking, Okay, he's freaking out, Like I understand, 337 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: he really just wants her to say, I'm falling in 338 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: love with you too, and you make me as happy 339 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: and you fill holes in my heart and all that stuff. 340 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: I understand. I understood him more in that moment where 341 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: like he just wanted to hear something that was like 342 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: more confirming that it was going to be him. In 343 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: the end, I was kind of like a Sean Booth moment. 344 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: Can you kind of describe what I mean by that, 345 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: because I feel like Sean kind of like it was 346 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: always freaking out and then he and he was always 347 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: just wanting confirmation that it was him. Well, I think 348 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: you see it a few times in the show too, 349 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: is you start to lose control a little bit. You 350 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: think every you know, you probably in your head, start 351 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: getting overly offinite. You start thinking that you're the one 352 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: that's going to be chosen. Uh, you get really excited 353 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: about that. Maybe hopefully you're getting excited about that. And 354 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: then the show does a really good job every time 355 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: at kind of seeing through that and bringing that confidence 356 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: down and making you question where exactly you stand with 357 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: the lead. Yeah, I was like, dude, don't you see 358 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: that you're on a show right now? She can't say 359 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: it back to you, and it was frustrating to me 360 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: that it seemed like he wasn't getting that. And then 361 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: if we can translate it to real life, like take 362 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the show away, right, it happens like these scenarios, right, 363 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: and now some people handle them better than others. I'm 364 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: not saying that like what Greg did was right or 365 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: anything like that, but what I'm saying is, you know, 366 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: you start to date somebody or you start to get 367 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: overly confident in relationship, and maybe a break up happens, uh, 368 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: And maybe something happens in your life that you feel 369 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: like you're losing control. And some people go with because 370 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: of their insecurity probably, and because of the lack of 371 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: grasp that they we have on a situation, they start 372 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: to say things and do things to make to justify 373 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: their actions or their reason for being hurt. And as 374 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: a result that that's a slippery slow uh and it 375 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: can end really poorly. And I think that's what we're 376 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: seeing here. There's some justification being done because Greg's like, Oh, 377 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: I've got this in the bag, this is all done. 378 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: Katie are going to be together. She's gonna be loving 379 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: on me, she's gonna be so happy that she hears 380 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: me say that she's the one for me. And when 381 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: she doesn't, he goes, oh, okay, well this is why 382 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: I'm hurt, Katie. This is what you should have done. 383 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: This is where it went wrong, and it just gets 384 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: messy and it gets ugly and it gets really hard 385 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: for the party happen to hear it. So yeah, at 386 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: first it was like a kay, he's freaking out, he 387 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: wants confirmation, and then he goes to her room and 388 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: everything is crazy. He legit it legit says, because you 389 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: didn't confirm your feelings and you were like not as 390 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: emotional as I wanted you to be in that moment 391 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: it's done, like I can never see you the same 392 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: way again. And his tone, I don't know, he's still 393 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: like accusatory. It was the weirdest thing. And this is 394 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: what I want to get in with Dr Colts culture. 395 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: So we'll get her on the line. Hello, thank you 396 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: so much for being here. So did you get a 397 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: chance to watch the last thirty minutes of the episode, 398 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: which I just found quite mind boggling. I was, I 399 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: felt like I was being gaslight. I was like, wait 400 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: a second, Okay, I think she's being gaslight right now, 401 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: but what if? What? And what's going am I misinterpreting? 402 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: Like I kept I was like blaming myself for a 403 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: minute what happened. I was sort of like, we need 404 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: to take a step back and think about what is 405 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: gaslighting so we can we can make a conclusion as 406 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: to whether or not we think that's happening, Like gaslighting 407 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: is the sort of notion of people using kind of 408 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: psychological warfare manipulation to make someone kind of question their 409 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: own experience or their own sort of sanity. And do 410 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: you think that was a version of what was happening? 411 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: I think I think so, yes. I mean, I feel 412 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: like he took like a little issue and he totally 413 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: blew it up to the point where like there was 414 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: no return, where I think in a sane relationship it 415 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: would have been like, Okay, let's say that you didn't 416 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: respond the way I expected you to and kind of 417 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: move on forward. Well, I mean, it's sort of like, 418 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: as I was thinking about it, I mean, there seems 419 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: like two potential explanations. One could be a sort of 420 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: fragile ego state of brick right, which wouldn't really fall 421 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: into the category of gas lighting per se, but rather 422 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: not being able to handle the emotional heavy lifting that's 423 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: sort of required to remain in that environment. But if 424 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: you get that far and you claim to love this 425 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: person so much to the point that like they filled 426 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: a whole in your heart, you're going to give up 427 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: on that fast, especially when she still can continue to 428 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: say confirming things like she said it wasn't enough or 429 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: he didn't like the way it was worded, but she said, 430 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: you're my number one, and I was giving you giving 431 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: you a rose this week, So she was saying what 432 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: she could, like not legally, but like you know, per 433 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: the norms of bachelorette possibilities. Is that he literally was 434 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: unable to dwell in the uncertainty that it felt too insecure, 435 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: too vulnerable, um too difficult to sort of manage and navigate, 436 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: and or at least for the gas lighting possibility, if 437 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: there was a part of and that wasn't feeling the 438 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: same way about her sort of turning around this situation 439 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: as a way to be the more sympathetic character in 440 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: a way to sort of escape the situation without blame. 441 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Is that sort of where your gas lighting hypothesis came in? Yes? Yes, 442 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: And then I'm also kind of like thinking, I mean, 443 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: this is like a whole this is like my theory 444 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: now is okay? So a couple months ago, we saw 445 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: that Katie liked a tweet from Greg that that was 446 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: referring to Greg about him being an actor and like 447 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: he and then we found out that he had taken 448 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: acting classes or whatnot. And then I and now watching 449 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: this makes me feel like the guy must have never 450 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: had strong feelings and the entire time he planned this 451 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: gaslighting sort of situation to flip their relationship ending on 452 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: her and not him, and like it was all planned. 453 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: So maybe that's a little bit more of a conspiracy 454 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: theory bit that's pretty involved. Dr Geldshert, Like, when I 455 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: lose control, it's something I've had to work on in 456 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: my life. I do like react poorly oftentimes when I 457 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: start to feel like things are slipping out of the 458 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: plan that I had in place, or if I feel like, hey, 459 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm leading a project at work and now that project 460 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: is being writted for me because somebody's a little more 461 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: outspoken coming up from you know, a different angle, and 462 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: now I have to take a step back, and as 463 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: a result, like I react poorly in those situations. I'm 464 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: working on that now in life, and it's always good 465 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: to get your opinions on this. And in a situation 466 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: like we see Gregan where he's losing control, Uh, the 467 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: environment is heavier and more confusing for him than really 468 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: what he can handle. How do we in life, because 469 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: we've all been in those situations, how do we handle 470 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: those situations well? And what are the tools in this 471 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: ups that we can take the process this and and 472 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: not end up allowing you to harm ourselves and others? Yeah? Yeah, 473 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: that really is the bottom line question, isn't it. I Mean, 474 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: the environment in which Greg finds himself doesn't allow for 475 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: personal reflection and cause right, and I think that that's 476 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: part part of the potential problem here. But outside of 477 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: that environment, a key to the question you just asked 478 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: is being able to pause and to reflect and to 479 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: allow the feelings that you're having, whatever, however uncomfortable they are, 480 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: however insecure, however vulnerable, however dark to surface. You know, 481 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: what we suppress shows up as symptoms, shows up as symptoms. 482 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: If we don't deal with dark thoughts, dark feelings, dark 483 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: emotions that we're having, it shows up some other way. 484 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: Whether it comes out, you know, with physical symptoms like 485 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: stomach aches and body shakes, or it comes out through 486 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: irritability or difficulty sleeping, or it comes out through depression, anxiety, 487 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: it comes out. So as to not have it come 488 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: out in a way that we haven't chosen and in 489 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: ways that can be harmful and hurtful to others, we 490 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: have to pause and we have to allow ourselves to 491 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: have those difficult, deep conversations about what we're feeling, whether 492 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: it's with loved ones or a professional, to sort of 493 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: deal with the feelings that are underneath, or our behaviors 494 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: aren't just coming from that hurt place. Do you feel 495 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: like this is a normal reaction to someone's ego being bruised, 496 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: you know. I mean my answer actually is potentially. I'm 497 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: not saying it's it's the most advisable one or one 498 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: that is um is easy to watch, but I do 499 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: think this can happen. First of all, we have someone 500 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: in Gregg dealing with a pretty the backdrop of a 501 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: pretty intense emotional trauma, and that his father passed away. 502 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure at the timing, but I know that's true. Yeah. 503 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: And and so when we have trauma and our life 504 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: and certainly that falls in that category, old ineffective coping 505 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: mechanisms can come back and be much more difficult to control. 506 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: And so given that truth, and given that it's not 507 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: uncommon for hurt people to hurt other people, it's possible. 508 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: And I have no no idea if it applies, but 509 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: it's possible that if he was feeling not chosen, feeling 510 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: that hurt, that vulnerable, that exposed to somehow sort of uh, 511 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: look at the situation as him not being chosen, It's 512 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: not entirely impossible to imagine that someone might react by 513 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: rejecting the other before they get rejected. It is a 514 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: super complex situation. And this isn't though, and you mentioned like, 515 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: this isn't super uncommon. This isn't like we're watching something 516 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: on television right now that we've never seen before and 517 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: that none of us have an example. This is happening 518 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: all around us, and so to close out here before 519 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: we let you go. If we see behavior that is 520 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: not helpful, it is toxic, it is hurtful happening Uh, 521 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: in our friends relationships and our own relationships. What advice 522 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: do you have for us to be able to help? Yeah, 523 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: I mean to kind of take it from both perspectives. 524 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: If you see someone doing the hurting, you know to 525 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: be able to approach someone in a firm, direct but 526 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: empathetic matter. Are you hurting? You must be hurting, because 527 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: I see you're hurting others, and I love you enough 528 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: to call it out. I love you enough to say 529 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: it out loud, and I love you enough to offer 530 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: my friendship, my my love to to help you find 531 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: your way out of this, because I think we often 532 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: forget that in our sphere we may have someone we 533 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: see doing me hurting, and then if we are around 534 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: someone who's being hurt, to be able in that same 535 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: way to be very direct. I see your being hurt. 536 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I see your being treated in a way that hurts 537 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: my heart. I see that something in your life in 538 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: this relationship is not sort of holding you up as 539 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: the person that you are. What can I do to 540 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: help you? Can I be an earer to listen to you? 541 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: What resources can we put together to think this through. 542 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: We don't want to alienate someone by saying this person 543 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: isn't treating you well, you need to leave. I won't 544 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: stand for it another minute, because maybe we we lose 545 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: access to them because it can often be a journey 546 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: out of toxic dynamics. So we want to be open, compassionate, 547 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: and you know, a soft place for them to fall. 548 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Kind of going off of that, just I'm sorry, Just 549 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: one more um, is this like a relationship we should 550 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: even be rooting for anymore? Like? Because he insists that 551 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: he's in love with her, but it just didn't seem 552 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: like an action that would have come out of love, 553 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: true love. In terms of rooting, I guess I would 554 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: say this what what we didn't see and what you 555 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: would hope to see in a relationship that feels like 556 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: it could be stable and supportive and loving in the 557 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: long run is an ability to have an effective, productive 558 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: conversation about what was happening. There was a lot of 559 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: talking around each other instead of either one of them 560 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: being able to say, like, Hey, I'm feeling super hurt, 561 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm feeling super vulnerable, I find myself shutting down, I 562 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: find myself feeling confused. What's happening here? Can we get 563 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: back to the love and the connection that we haven't 564 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: find our way out of this? Instead of they were 565 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: sort of rehashing um uh details and narratives rather than 566 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: really being able to get to the heart of the issue. 567 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: And it's something that you want to see for couples 568 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: long term, being able to uh not just talk around things, 569 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: but being able to tackle really deep, dark, difficult emotions 570 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: and and that really seemed to be lacking on both 571 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: of their parts in this scenario. We always appreciate your time, 572 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on UM, thank you for sharing 573 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: this with us. It's always healthy, it's always helpful, and 574 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Dr Hillary Gouldcher, thank you so much. 575 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, you guys. By by so Ben 576 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: going off of that UM after seeing what we saw 577 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: and after seeing the scenes in the next episode, I'm 578 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: feeling like they like she's not gonna pick anyone, and 579 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: I feel like she may go after Greg, and then 580 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't think she's gonna end up being with Greg. Currently, 581 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I don't know about the 582 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: great piece of this. I don't There's so much that 583 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: has to happen in one episode for this to work 584 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: in like a fairy tale love story ending like just so, 585 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: and I just don't see how that could be one 586 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: more episode. All of this happens in one episode, and 587 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're rooting for them, like it 588 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: just as hard for me to understand that right now. 589 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: I think it's either my my if I was a 590 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: betting man, which at times of my life I am, 591 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: I would say that she's not with anybody and this 592 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: ended tragically just kind of disappointing for her. And that's 593 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: some men that she was closest with and had the 594 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: most potential with, uh either left or just it didn't 595 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: work out for them. And I think she ends this 596 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: asking why and wondering what do I do now If 597 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to flip this a little bit into towards 598 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: a positive direction, possibly, she tells Justin and Blake that 599 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: she's done with the process. She you know, she planned 600 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: on picking Gragnuts on how it went, and then perhaps 601 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: she rekindles things with Blake in real life. Holy moly, 602 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: Ashley and they justlike date for a while. I don't know. 603 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: She definitely doesn't get engaged. There's been no teasers of 604 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: a ring or like a dress and like the step 605 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: out of the car or anything like that. I don't 606 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: even think she makes it to the I don't even 607 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: think there's a like a ceremony thing at the end, Like, 608 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a last rose given. I think 609 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: it just ends. And but we haven't seen that, um 610 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: in a while, I ever really have. I mean, was 611 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: the last time we saw somebody walk away? Isn't it 612 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: Brad Walmack was just the last one who just didn't 613 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: pick anyone. Yeah, it's just interesting. Well, it's not how 614 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: I expected this season to end, especially with how great 615 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: these contestants seemed at the beginning and how great Katie 616 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: was doing throughout. Um. But it also makes sense on 617 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: how these stories have progressed where they've kind of ended 618 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: in this place of limbo and confusion, pain, and it's 619 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: going to be a really odd way for this season 620 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: to end. If that's how it ends, well, we'll be 621 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: back next week breaking down the finale of Katie Thurston's 622 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: season of The Bachelorette. Uh, I promise we're gonna be 623 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: here talking about it. And before then, we got some 624 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: headlines to go through. Right after this break, it's time 625 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: for one of our favorite segments, especially when the episode 626 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: doesn't live up to our hopes and dreams. It's Bachelor headlines. Well, Ashley, 627 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: are you ready? Are you educated? Take it away? The 628 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: first headline is this Katie Thurston reveals the Bachelorette advice 629 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: she gave Michelle Young. The quote is just be open. 630 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: She is starting her season this week. I believe Michelle's 631 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: tapin starts this week, so Katie said, I've spoken to 632 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: her as much as I can because I know it's 633 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: any day now that they're going to take your phone away. 634 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: I think the biggest advice I've given to her is 635 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: just be open. Don't close yourself off too early. I 636 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: think guys could surprise you, um weeks later when you 637 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: don't expect it. And then there's one guy that Katie 638 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: actually singled out from her season that she thinks would 639 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: be a great match for Michelle. She says, it's I 640 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: t consultant Josh. She thinks that Josh would be a 641 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: good match for Michelle because they have similar personalities. He's 642 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: such a sweetheart, and I think she says this that 643 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: he is what she's looking for, somebody who's just so 644 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: kind hearted, and that's something that Josh really offers. Well, 645 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Why would she be going on and on 646 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: about this Josh guy. Is he going to pull a Blake? 647 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: It is a possibility. Now. The difference between Josh and 648 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: Blake is this, I don't even know who she's talking about. 649 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: I have to look this guy up, Les Blake. I 650 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: kind of knew the name of Do you remember Josh? Yes, yes, 651 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: yes I do. I remember his face now, but I 652 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: don't think he played a very large role that he 653 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: barely spoke. I'm looking him up now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 654 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: this is what I thought it was. Oh yeah, okay, 655 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: yeah that makes sense. I mean a uh, I would 656 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: be awesome if Katie Thurston could set up her friend 657 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: Michelle Uh with this guy because he looks like a 658 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: nice guy, seems like a nice guy. UM, just be open, 659 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: she says, Well, next headline of the week. This is 660 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: one that I Heart sent over during the week weekend 661 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: and they said, wow, big story. Yeah batch her at 662 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: Katie Thurston reveal she accidentally used toy cleaner instead of lube. 663 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: This according to us, you guys, ah, how uncomfortable. And 664 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't mean in a cringing way. I mean like 665 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: an actual, like physically perhaps painful way. She said, I 666 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: woke up this morning and realized I used toy cleaner, 667 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: like sex toy cleaner instead of lube last night. Um. 668 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: And then one fan said to look on the bright side. Uh, 669 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: and she said it says non irritating, so that should 670 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: be okay. And she said that's the first thing that 671 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: she checked once she realized, and she was like, okay, 672 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: at least it's not irritating. So I guess the fact 673 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: that Katie didn't realize until the morning after really does 674 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: mean that it was non irritating. But for some reason, 675 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: this headline makes me feel like she ends up with Blake, 676 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: because this just sounds like something Blake would be okay 677 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: with her sharing with the hold I mean, I'm still 678 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: going with I don't think she ends up with anybody. 679 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, but well, you know what, yeah, 680 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion too now. But at the same time, 681 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: this just I don't know, this sounds a little like 682 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: like Blake Britt Oliver. Okay, so Ashley headline reads this. 683 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: Katie Thurston and Bachelor at Season seventeen casts revealed their 684 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: top choices for next Bachelor. This according to us backstage 685 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: at mentel All, it seems like Katie and a lot 686 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: of the contestants aren't ready to campaign for a lead 687 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: for a season twenty six of The Bachelor. But of 688 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: course the name that has been thrown around the most 689 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: has been Michael a. He said in his own interview, 690 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: I just got my heartbroken, like twenty minutes ago. I'm 691 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: really not thinking about anything like that. They would have 692 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: to change a lot, like it's not the same season 693 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: with me, So one it's not it's not been offered, 694 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: and two, there haven't been any conversations. And three I 695 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: see a lot of risks and issues that do not 696 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: that are not of interest to me. And I'm not 697 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: easily flattered either. So the main thing is this, Um, 698 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: if I did this, I do do I think it 699 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: would be possible to pursue that kind of love again, 700 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Andrew was also a popular pick amongst 701 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: like the names that were thrown out there. Of course, um, 702 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: I am pretty sure Michael is alluding to the fact 703 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: that he would not do the entire season without his 704 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: son being involved. It makes sense. I mean, the guy's 705 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: already shown the links he'll go to continue to be 706 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: an involved father, which meant him leaving the show this season. So, uh, 707 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: my pick goes to Michael. Andrew also met my vote 708 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. I'm not a part of the commission board. Um. 709 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: But also Katie Thurston shares her opinion on which of 710 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: her Bachelorette contestants will rule in Bachelor in Paradise. It 711 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,479 Speaker 1: may shock you this. According to US Weekly, she says 712 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: she's torn between Connor and Aaron. She says Connor is 713 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: such a sweetheart, he's such a lover, but Aaron was 714 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: like built for paradise, and I know what she means 715 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: by that. He's so dramatic. So we'll see, but both 716 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: of them will be down there. It will be interesting 717 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: to watch as we get closer will final Bachelor in Paradise. 718 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: Headline of this week is Bachelor Paradise shares first look 719 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: at David Spade and more slub guests hosts headed to 720 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: the beach. This according to e basically it's just at 721 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: the photos were posted and this year there are photos 722 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: of the guest house as if they were contestants, you 723 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that beach in the background, 724 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: palm tree in the background, photo of got little John uh, Titus, 725 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: Lance and David Spade all they're ready to conduct the show. 726 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be interesting. And Ashley, I know you're 727 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: excited about it airing Ashuley after talking with a couple 728 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: of people now who have been down to Paradise and 729 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: having a little more idea of what paradise look for. 730 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: Are you getting excited about this? Are you nervous that 731 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a letdown? Um? I am, like, I 732 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: don't really get excited until like the moment comes and 733 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm watching it, so I'm sure that it 734 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: was two weeks. When it comes on, I'll be I'll 735 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: be enthralled. Yeah, Okay, Well, last couple of headlines of 736 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: the day, Bachelor host Chris Harrison has no regrets over exit. 737 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: His quote is I wish everybody the best This is 738 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: one of the first times we've heard from Chris since 739 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: his exit from the show. M It was his fiftieth 740 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: birthday last week. Um, happy birthday to Chris. He looks 741 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 1: great for his age fifty so young still, Um, he says. 742 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: I will say, it's been kind of nice to have 743 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: after nineteen years, my Monday's back, including last night. I 744 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: got to celebrut my birthday thanks to this beautiful woman, 745 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Lauren Seema, and I was with my family 746 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: and friends and it was absolutely awesome. So that's nice 747 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: to hear. He and Lauren are going on three years together. 748 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: That's a lot. That is a lot, and it's really sweet. Um. 749 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: They look like they're very very happy. Well. Final two 750 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: headlines of the week is Tashi Adams and Zach Clark 751 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: renew their wishes on one year anniversary. This was so cute. 752 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, they celebrated one year of knowing each 753 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: other and if you guys remember they threw coins into 754 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: a fountain when they first met on her first night 755 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: of being the bachelorette, and when they did make that 756 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: wish a year ago, they said they did so with 757 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: the promise to tell one day each other what was 758 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: what the wish was um The quote the caption says, 759 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: at approximately this time, three d and sixty five days ago, 760 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: I met you. It's been a wild ride so far, 761 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: with our lives going a million miles an hour. But 762 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,959 Speaker 1: how lucky are we to have had an amazing week 763 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: together at the place where it all started. So they 764 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: went down to Oh my gosh, what was laquinta um 765 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,399 Speaker 1: together for the week, and she continues to say, and 766 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: we were able to renew our wishes one year later, 767 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: wild happy to have you buy my side clarkey one 768 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: for three. And then Zach said, I hope your wish 769 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: came true, and I hope you take a minute to 770 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: breathe and appreciate all you have done in the past 771 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days since we met. You 772 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: have done more in a year than most people do 773 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: in a lifetime, like winning an MTV Movie Award, and 774 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: most importantly, tons of others the public does not get 775 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: to see, which includes showing up for the people you love, 776 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: including me. Thank you. So I would think, I think 777 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: just not going to tell us what they wish for 778 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: at that fountain a year ago between the two of them. Yeah, yeah, 779 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot well, uh, really sweet and really excited 780 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: to see them celebrate. Well. Final headline is a celebration 781 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: of a former UM Bachelorette contestant, Bachelor in Paradise contestant, 782 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: somebody that was on share the season with me and uh, 783 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: just one of the nicest men in the world. UM 784 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: Bachelorette's Ben Zorn marries his girlfriends Stacy or I guess 785 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: fiancee Stacy nearly two years after their engagement. Yeah, so, 786 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: Ben said. Stacy and I are so ecstatic to finally 787 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: have our wedding after delaying it a year and having 788 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: our baby boy, Logan. We looked forward to it for 789 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: so long. Everything was per victim. We were surrounded by 790 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: friends and family from all chapters of our life in 791 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: one of our favorite parts of California. It took part. 792 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,280 Speaker 1: It took place at the Triple S Ranch and NAPA 793 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: and Bachelor Nations. Derek Paith and Matt Donald were present. 794 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: That's interesting. How did he and Matt Donald become friends? 795 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: Who knows, but they were and they were there to 796 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: support and that's something awesome. Congratulations to stacium Ben on 797 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: their recent nuptials. Hey, uh, that's it. For today. It 798 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: was great talk with you all. It was great breaking 799 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: down the hometowns Ashley, I'm glad uh that you're here 800 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: to speak with us. Have a great night. We cannot wait. 801 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: I tell you this to find out what you all 802 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: find out tonight about the sex of your new baby. 803 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: Well with that, I've been Ben, I've been ashually bad, 804 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,280 Speaker 1: guys thinks. Then followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost 805 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen 806 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: to podcasts.