1 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Personally, Felds Men, This job is so fun for me 2 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: because I get to interview people who are inspirations for me, 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: and Nile Harveston is one of those people. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: He went from being an addict in a hospital bed 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: to changing the world for street dogs in Thailand, and 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: he did it all because he wanted to leave a 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: positive impact on the world. These are the kind of 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: people that I love to highlight and bring on here 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: for interviews. He's a favorite follow of mine on Instagram, 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 2: so it's as equally exciting for me. So let's do this. 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: I could not be more excited right now because I 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: have Nile Harveson On with me. Nile, thank you so 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: much for joining me. It's great to get to meet 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: you and talk with you today. 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: I have Tina, the Dog who Changed the World, and 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: I'm really excited because it just came in the mail 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: like three days ago, and I cannot wait for this 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: book to be read. But to truly honor your story 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: and this amazing book that you've written Tina and all 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: the other dogs that you've saved, we kind of have 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: to start from the beginning of your story. So what 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: brought you to Thailand. 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: Well, it was actually it's a long story, but I 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: was actually always an alcoholic for twenty five years, and 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 4: I suffered from depression and anxiety, and I went to 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 4: Thailand for a healthy life, to try and sort of 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: enjoy the sunshine and live healthy. But actually things got 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 4: worse and I ended up in hospital. I nearly drank 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: myself to death, if I'm honest. So I was in 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: ICU for four days and it was a horrible experience. 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: But during those four days, I hit rock bottom and 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: I haven't drank since. And that's when I started to 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: think about changing my life. 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: And you started this by when you were there and 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: you went to Thailand, you were running mental health, trying 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: to just get through this really hard time in your life, 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: and you started to see a whole bunch of street dogs. 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: Is that correct. 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm still recovering, and obviously you don't sort 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: of recover overnight. I moved to Thailand, and it was 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: during my recovery that I started seeing so many dogs 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: that were just really struggling on the streets. There's ten 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 4: million street dogs in Thailand, and I just started helping 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 4: one or two, to be honest. The first was go lucky, 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: and I got her better and started feeding her, and 47 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: we grew up to four dogs, and then eight dogs, 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: and then eventually, like now we feed on thy two 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: hundred street dogs every day. 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: So it was a real journey of recovery. 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: Were you always an animal lover or did this just 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: kind of come out of such a horrible situation for you? 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: No, I was. 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 4: I didn't have loads of animals, but I had my 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: own dog, Snoop, who is a lovely dog, and he 56 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 4: was the one thing when I was in hospital, I 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: just couldn't stop thinking about him. 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: I didn't want to let down. 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: He got me through the dark days, to be honest, 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 4: So I loved animals, But just when I was in 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: that hospital bed, I just started thinking about, Okay, I'm 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: gonna die. 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: What have I done in my life that's meaningful? 64 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 4: And know, all I could think about was Snoop and 65 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: dogs and playing football and silly things. I didn't think 66 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: about anything about, you know, iPhones or a job promotion 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: or a you know that fancy new house that yet 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: like none of that made a difference. It was just dogs. 69 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: So that's how I kind of went in that direction. 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: Do you feel like fate stepped in and when you 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: saw these street dogs who were like this is meant 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: to be and I'm meant to be here and help 73 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: these dogs or what was that turning point for you 74 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: where everything was like, this is the path that I'm 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: meant to be on. 76 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean it's not like when 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: you look at it now and read the book. It's 78 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: kind of like you would think it just happened, you know, 79 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: all planned out and all overnight, but it was actually slower. 80 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 4: I fed one dog and then I went back the 81 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: next morning and I saw her tail was wagon waiting 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: for me. 83 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: And as an. 84 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: Alcoholic, you let a lot of people down, whereas this 85 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: was the first time I was kind of being reliable, 86 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: and so I got addicted to sort of helping dogs, 87 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: which is a much better addiction to have. It just 88 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: they need so little care and they ask for so 89 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: much that it made me feel really good. 90 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: To be honest, Yeah, I could imagine. Getting to see 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: one dog makes me happy. And I've fostered and helped 92 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: several of my own. My first ever like soul dog, 93 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: who I adore and has been my connection for song, 94 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: is laying right here on my lap. Her name's Remy 95 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: and I have a I don't know if you can 96 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: see her, she's kind of passed out. 97 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: Oh her beautiful, beautiful. 98 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: She's a lot kiddy. But Remy is very much my 99 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: soul dog. And this book, even just the very little 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: I've read so far, I have a feeling Tina and 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: potentially Snoop were your soul dogs. So when did Tina 102 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: come into the picture? 103 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 104 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: I think soul dogs a great term, isn't it. It's 105 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: like you understand it, and a lot of owners understand that. 106 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: It's maybe alien for somebody who doesn't understand, they probably think, like, 107 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: what are we talking about, like a soul dog? 108 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: But it's true. 109 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: They dogs that touch you in a way, or maybe 110 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: come along at a special time in your life, or 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: you know, people are struggling that that dog comes along. 112 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: Tina was an amazing dog. She was on a chain, 113 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: she'd been used for breeding. She was living in her 114 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 4: own mess, and she came along and I helped build 115 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: her back up. She was really, really thin, and built 116 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 4: her back up. She only lived for six months because 117 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: unfortunately the damage had been done to her kidneys internally, 118 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: but the six months that we had together, she was 119 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: the most unbelievable, just loving creature. And she just what 120 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: I loved about her is she showed that dogs live 121 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: in the moment, they don't live in the past. She 122 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: never was angry or bitter or scared or anything. She 123 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: just wanted to just be full of love, which after 124 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: the life she had, was amazing to see. 125 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: What do you feel like is the biggest and you 126 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: learned from Tina, given that she was one of your 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: soul dogs. 128 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: I would say, just like I said, live in the moment, 129 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: but also that you can have a second chance in life, 130 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: you know, like we've all have setbacks. I talked to 131 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: so many people who maybe have depression, who have grief 132 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: or anxiety, or they've lost a child, or you know, 133 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: there's a thousand things. And I was down and out 134 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: and had nothing in my life. Tina had nothing in 135 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: her life, But you can't. I kind of linked the 136 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: two stories. You can rebuild your life if you've had 137 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: a setback, you can have a second chance, you can 138 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: have a comeback. 139 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: Tina is now on book covers all over the world. 140 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: Were building a hospital in her name, so she'll have 141 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: a wonderful legacy. Even though she didn't have a good 142 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: part in her life. So if you're a human or 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: a dog, there's always a comeback to be had. 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the saying. I see a lot of 145 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: rescue videos and it's always the comeback story. And I 146 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: think so much of rescue dogs is the comeback story. 147 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: But you, your comeback story too, is also incredible. And 148 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: I know so after following you for so long, you 149 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: really don't like the side of you where you have 150 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: to focus on you. You like focus on the dogs, and 151 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: this is what you love to do. But your story 152 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: as well as a comeback story, how does that feel 153 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: for you? Looking at the bigger picture. 154 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: Now, it's really weird because I genuinely I will get 155 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: stopped in the street now and people want to talk 156 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: to me and take selfies and stuff. 157 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: And that's a million miles, as you know, it's a 158 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: million miles from what I want to do. I just 159 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: want to be with the dogs in the jungle, helping them. 160 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: But I also understand that I'm really privileged with that. 161 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: Not every charity has that, not every person trying to 162 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: help dogs. So even though it's uncomfortable for me, I 163 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: can use it to help more dogs. It would be 164 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: bad if I didn't use the exposure that we have 165 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: to try and help even more dogs, because we help 166 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: a lot now and it's a big organization and it's 167 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: just wonderful to have that support. 168 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: Even though I'm a bit of an introvert myself. To 169 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: be honest, I. 170 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: Know I can tell by some of your posts where 171 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: you're just like, I get it. I know you guys 172 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: want to talk to me and hang out with me, 173 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: but like, do you see all the dogs? Because this 174 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: is what it's really all about. 175 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean, you know, a little bit of 176 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: that comes from I think everybody's dream. Like you're a 177 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: dog person, I think everybody inside them has a little 178 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: bit of when they're having a tough play at work 179 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: and they're like, oh my god, I just love to 180 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: run off and you know, save dogs and live in 181 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: the sunset. 182 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: So I do have a bit of. 183 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: A dream life that people would love to see themselves doing. 184 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and you speak of the good days, 185 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: but there's plenty of hard days, which I've seen all 186 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: on your posts. How do you keep going, especially given 187 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: your past experience which also involves mental health problems, So 188 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: how do you keep yourself moving in the direction to 189 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: continue to keep doing this. 190 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough because like I have seen dogs shot, 191 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: I've seen dogs poisoned, and road traffic accidents and abuse. 192 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: I've seen everything. And what keeps me going really as 193 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: Tina's big face. Anytime I have a tricky situation, I 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 4: just have a mental image of her face my mind, 195 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's not about like, I just have 196 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: to put my emotions to one side and fix the 197 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: problem in front of me, because the dogs really really 198 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: neat us there. 199 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: That's super hard too, because I followed your story of 200 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: the poisoned dogs and that was so difficult to watch, 201 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: even from Afar, so I cannot imagine that experience seeing 202 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: it up close and personal, and to be the one 203 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: to help a lot of them say their final goodbyes. 204 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: So the stuff you're doing is comes with its own 205 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: difficult moments too. 206 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does, and it's I'd lie I said it 207 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: was easy. There's still days where, especially if a dog dies, 208 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 4: even though it's a street dog or you know, Alba 209 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: or any of the dogs that I have, it's so tough. 210 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: It's just there's days where I end up under the 211 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: bed covers. 212 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: Just like wondering how I'm going to keep going or 213 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 5: how I'm gonna bounce back from this one, because you know, 214 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 5: I think a dog diying is one of the saddest things, 215 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: Like we all think about it and we dread the 216 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: day that that's going to come, you know. 217 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: So I see probably two or three a week. So 218 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: even though their street dogs is still very, very hard. 219 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're forming special connections with them that even 220 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: just in that short time like you had Tina, six 221 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: months can mean ten years. It doesn't matter how long 222 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: you've had a dog. That connection is something different that, 223 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: like you had mentioned earlier, is really hard sometimes to 224 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: explain to people. 225 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you build the connection with the dog, and even 226 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 4: if it's two weeks, it's still the dog. When they 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: die or when they're very sick, they do. You can 228 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 4: see it in their eyes. They're looking for you. They 229 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 4: really look for that connection for you. And I've seen 230 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 4: it even when they die, and even when they are sick, 231 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: you can see it in their eyes that they're scared, 232 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: you know, and they want a human connection with them 233 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: where they want somebody to you know, like if you 234 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 4: were in hospital you've won. They really do love the 235 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: sort of attention and they're very you know, caring creatures. So, yeah, 236 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: it's tough. 237 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned Alba, and I think me and a lot 238 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: of the huge rest of the world was watching along 239 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: as we were cheering for album and really hoping that 240 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: she pulled through to have her shining moments. When a 241 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: moment like Alba, like, how does that impact you. 242 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: It's very tough. I use it as sort of fire. 243 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: She was a wonderful little dog, and she only lived 244 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: for fourteen nights and fourteen days. It's offsets but our sunrises. 245 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: But she I use that as sort of fire. So 246 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: now we've built you know, she was very malnourished and 247 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 4: she'd been on a chain, but now we've built a 248 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: kitchen where we feed a thousand and two hundred dogs 249 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 4: and we can call it Alba's kitchen. So I kind 250 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: of used those toughest moments and try and turn them 251 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: around into something positive. She's a dog in Thailand that 252 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: would never nobody would have known, but now people all. 253 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: Over the world know her. 254 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: She's got a little song, she had a bandana, she 255 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: had a name. I think that's you know, it's not 256 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 4: a great life for her, but she she had some 257 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 4: dig at the end. 258 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: When you see how much a dog in Thailand changes 259 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: the world like that, And you see all these people 260 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: coming together, even in the comment section of your videos 261 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: or responding on social media, are you like, holy crap, 262 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: we're really doing something here. 263 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 264 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: I nearly get embarrassed because everybody's like saying, oh, you're amazing, 265 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 4: You're I have nearly read them because it's just my 266 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: head would be too big. 267 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: It's but what I. 268 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 4: Do love the people who talk to each other and 269 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: help themselves through their own problems, and it's just such 270 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 4: a positive community. And that's why I started it, because 271 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: there's so much negativity in the world at the moment, 272 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: especially unlike get very done or depressed if you just 273 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: read online news at the moment. So I try and 274 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: put some positivity out there, and that's what people love. 275 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: I think they resonate with that a lot. Well. 276 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and seeing the positive change that you're making in 277 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: the world. I think any dog or animal out there 278 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: would love to do what you're doing every day and 279 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: helping change the world for a lot of animals. But 280 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: I think more than that, I want to focus on 281 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: the fact that it's not as easy as people think 282 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: to do what you're doing every day, because there is 283 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: so many hard moments with that. Like we think of 284 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: the dream, right, We're talking about this dream and this 285 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: is what everybody wants to do. But there's so many 286 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: hard moments in that, and it's not easy each day 287 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 2: to wake up and say I'm going to keep going 288 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: and feed all these street dogs and see the really 289 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: bad pain in the world. 290 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but on the flip side of that, I feel 291 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: blessed because I was in that hospital and I got clarity. 292 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: There's also a lot of you know, I would say 293 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: ninety five percent of people in life are sort of 294 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: have not that they don't have a purpose. Like you 295 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 4: might want to have a kid, you might want to 296 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: have a good job, you might you know, there's things 297 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: like that, but everybody feels like they want to figure 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: out some meaning that I want to just be doing 299 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: spreadsheets or you know, sitting on the commute on the 300 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 4: tube or the train, or they want something more. 301 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: And I've got that. 302 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: I'm really lucky that Like if I save a dog 303 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 4: in Thailand, I go to sleep and I sleep so 304 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: much better than I did in the corporate world. I'm 305 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: just like I've made a different and I feel lucky 306 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: to have found that I wouldn't have found it if 307 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 4: I hadn't hit rock bottom. So yeah, being able to 308 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: help a dog, But I also think you don't have 309 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: to open a sanctuary in Thailand or help thousands of dogs. 310 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: Like the people who adopt one dog from a shelter 311 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: or you know, bring a dog into their family. I 312 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: think their heroes as well, like they're changing their life 313 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: in just as much a way as I am. 314 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: Well, and I've been watching you as you've been on 315 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: promoting this book for Tina, and you've gotten to go 316 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: and see a lot of the dogs that you've helped 317 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: that have gotten adopted. And what is that like for 318 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: you to see you were there at the very beginning, 319 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: you helped them, nourish them back to health, and then 320 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: they're in this home and living this pride amazing spoiled life. 321 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally surreal. And like going back to your question 322 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: about how I keep going, like that is how I 323 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: keep going. At the end of a long day, we'll 324 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: look at Instagram to see some of the adopted dogs 325 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: and to see a dog, look, I get whack ear 326 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: if I got it out, but I took him into 327 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: the vets and emergency like he was close to death 328 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: and to see him, you know, living in Scotland with 329 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 4: parents who love him more. 330 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: There's another dog, Snickers, who lived on the streets. 331 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: She lives in Washington, DC, or Brad Pitt lives in 332 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: Long Beach in California. 333 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: For me, that's the bit that really keeps it keeps 334 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: me going. 335 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do remember Snickers too, because I loved 336 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: seeing Snickers bring you all kinds of gifts every time, 337 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: every morning when you do adopt one out, is there 338 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: this kind of little piece of your heart that goes 339 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: with him and you're like, dang, it's really cool. But 340 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: also I'm sad to see you go. 341 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: Ye be honest, no, because obviously I missed them and stuff. 342 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: But I can only like, we have so many dogs 343 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: that I get like you would see Snickers on my Instagram, 344 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: but I might get to spend ten fifteen minutes with 345 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: her because there's so many dogs in a day. Whereas 346 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: if they go into a home, they have you know, 347 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: a family, they have maybe another dog there, They have 348 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: a structure, they get attentional, they they can sit with 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: their parently expired a better life, like my job is 350 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: being done and it's time. Of course, I missed them, 351 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: and I'd love to see them, but it gets a 352 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: dog into a great home, and it also frees up 353 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: a space for another dog to come in. 354 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: It's sad for me to miss them, but for they're 355 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: greater good. It's amazing. 356 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 357 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: Well, and I see a lot of comments on there. 358 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask that question because I see a 359 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: lot of comments, so how can you let them go? 360 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: Or why are they leaving? And I know the side 361 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: of that story because it's often whenever I bring a 362 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: foster dog into my home, it's they look so happy 363 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: with you. They're at home. Yes, but this is just 364 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: part of their it's not their whole story exactly. 365 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: That's a very good way of putting it. And it's 366 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: lovely that you do the foster and it's like, there's 367 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: so many people. It's the one thing that I before 368 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 4: I hit rock bottom and went to Thailand, I wish 369 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 4: I'd done more that never went charity to help them 370 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: walk or faster. 371 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: I could have done more of that. 372 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: And people always wonder they want to start, They want 373 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: to quit their job and go and open the sanctuary 374 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: or do something in day one, like you don't have 375 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 4: to you can do a little bit, and I'm sure 376 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: you're unbelievable from that foster and that you're doing, or 377 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: the animals that you're helping. In a funny, selfish way, 378 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 4: it helps you just as much as it helps the dog. 379 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: You know, it makes you feel fantastic. 380 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's always the who rescued Hugh type situation, 381 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: and that's very true for all of them. Watching you 382 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: guys grow to where you are now. You have Happy 383 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: dogg o Land and it's a sanctuary where you get 384 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: to save all these street dogs. And you have the 385 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: kitchen that you mentioned, Albo's kitchen. You're feeding all these 386 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: street dogs, a field clinic, you're building Tina's hospital, which 387 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: I believe is very close to being finished. How does 388 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: it feel to look at all of that and just 389 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: say we did this. 390 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: It's surreal to be honest, especially from somebody who was 391 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: an alcoholic and wasn't reliable before. I could do things, 392 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 4: but it would be very up and down. So to 393 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: be delivering it, and like that's what I talk about 394 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: in the book. It's just I'm doing it for Tina, 395 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: and if it wasn't for her. To be honest, there's 396 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: times where I might have given up or slowed down 397 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: or you know, burn out or but I just wake 398 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: up and if something goes wrong, I just think of 399 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: her and I think, once she was dying in my arms, 400 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 4: I made promises that I would do certain things, and 401 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: it's it's amazing to see. I mean, I it feels 402 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: it feels like a movie or something. 403 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: To me. 404 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like I feel like I might just 405 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 4: wake up one day and I'm back in the hospital sick, 406 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 4: because it feels too good to be true the impact 407 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: were having. 408 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: But it is also hard work. Obviously. 409 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of hard work. And I know 410 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: it's easy for anybody to hear your story and be like, oh, 411 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: well he did this, but this is years. This is 412 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: years of long work and a lot of time and 413 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 2: a lot of people that you've brought on board, and 414 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: also watching you bring on people from Thailand onto your 415 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: team to help the communication within the community. You're not 416 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: just changing lives for these dogs, You're also changing the 417 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: story people are telling themselves about animals, and I think 418 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: that's a very important piece to this too. 419 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's hopefully that's working because I think 420 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: like I can do a little bit, but I need, 421 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: you know, a team, and then I need hundreds of 422 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: people around the world to be advocates, and I need 423 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: people to adopt dogs and foster dogs and tell other 424 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: people to do the same. It's kind of like a 425 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: mission or a movement, and I'm lucky to I get to, 426 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 4: like I said, way too much praise at the front 427 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 4: of it. But the tea demands other people, people who donate, 428 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 4: people who subscribe, people who share the like there's just 429 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 4: it's you know, it's hundreds of thousands of people who 430 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 4: are making change. 431 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: And that's that's what feels amazing. 432 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: Well, and I know you love to put that on 433 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: so many other people, but I do want to recognize 434 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: how big of a role you do play in this. 435 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: You are the center of this, and none of this 436 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: would have started without the change that you made in 437 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: your own life to go and move to another country 438 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: and say, you know what, this is what's gonna happen. 439 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: And I know that's very hard knowing I follow you. 440 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: I know that you're like, no, no, no, this isn't it. 441 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: But you are a big piece to this story. 442 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: Do you know what. 443 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 4: I make the videos on my phone and I'm in 444 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: the jungle. I don't see many people, you know, like 445 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm just worth the dogs. So I've come there to 446 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 4: promote the book, and I'm in England and American and stuff, 447 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: and I meet people and they tell me the impact. 448 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: It's hard, and it's very I'm just very shy about 449 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: that sort of thing, but it's nice. 450 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: It also adds fuel. It also makes. 451 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 4: Me think that I'm doing something worthwhile to get through 452 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: the hard days. But I would rather melt into the 453 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 4: background eventually, but I'll be doing my whole life, but 454 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: I just. 455 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: Inside of things. 456 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that makes sense again, because that is your 457 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: personality originally before all of this ever started. But I 458 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: would not be good at doing my job and sitting 459 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: here if I didn't tell you the importance that you 460 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: have in the role that you play. So recognizing that, I'm. 461 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 4: Going to go back to Thailand and tell all the 462 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: dogs that everybody's been saying these things, and I'll have 463 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: a really big head now and I'll be uh, I'll 464 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: be going around telling them I'm a big. 465 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Shot, and they'll just wag their tails and be happy that. 466 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 4: You have yet right exactly, they couldn't care less, which 467 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: is why I love them exactly. 468 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: When you were talking about being in the hospital bed 469 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: and you were thinking of all these things and having 470 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: this legacy and hoping that you impacted the world. Do 471 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: you feel like you have accomplished somewhat of that now? 472 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. I always said to ways I again, I don't 473 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: want to die, you know, I'd love to live forty 474 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 4: more years. But if I die this afternoon hit by bus, 475 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: I would be very happy with what I've done and 476 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: with what the way I'm living my life is just 477 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: more honest and more making a difference. And I don't 478 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: want to die in any way now, but I would 479 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: definitely feel like I've made a difference. 480 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 481 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know that's hard to look at after 482 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: the things that you've been through. And I know at 483 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: the very end of this book, because I managed to 484 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: get through some of it and then I started flipping 485 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: to make sure I had all of my information correct. 486 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: But at the very end, you were talking about these 487 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: different moments where you would have to do things for yourself. 488 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: And I think when you look on social media and 489 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: see all the things that you do every day, you're like, 490 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: how does now ever have a moment for himself to 491 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: actually take care of himself? But A big piece to 492 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: the story is your mental health and the things you 493 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: went through. So how do you take care of yourself 494 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: when all this stuff is going on. 495 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm not great at it. If I'm honest, I get 496 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: to burn. 497 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: Then my problem is just just so many animals that 498 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: need your help. 499 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: So I find it very hard. 500 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 4: To just like if I know, you know, if I'm 501 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: exhausted at seven o'clock and I know that two miles 502 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: down the road there's an animal that I can save, 503 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: I kind of how do you ignore that? You know? 504 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: Like, it's not like a It's never finished. Is the problem? 505 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 4: The work I do need to I know that I 506 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 4: need to manage my own health a little bit better. 507 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 4: But it's just, yeah, so dedicated to it, and so 508 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: I love it so but if I want to do it, like, 509 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: I'll be doing this when I'm seventy five eighty years old, 510 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 4: so I do need to maybe pace myself a little 511 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: bit better. 512 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 2: I think it also shows that you're human, ni All 513 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: that everybody's seeing you and you are the superhero and 514 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: people are loving what you're doing, but you're also a 515 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: human who's been through some stuff and you've also struggle 516 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: with the same problems that a lot of us do. 517 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think people are very good at putting 518 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: a brave face on it, so you can get up 519 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: in the morning and put on our shirt or put 520 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 4: on our makeup and put on our happy face and 521 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 4: go out. But there's a lot of us are hiding 522 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: stuff behind that face, that we're carrying a lot of baggage. 523 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: And I think it's I'm looking on a boss really 524 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: or anything. 525 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: So I think I like to say that that it's 526 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: okay to not be okay for most people, you know, 527 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 4: like we're a little bit harder on ourselves. Maybe one 528 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 4: thing you can do is just you know, be built 529 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: more open and talk to a friend. Especially maybe guys 530 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: are not you know, as good at that, so just 531 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 4: go easier on people. It's a tough ole world out there, 532 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 4: and we all have our we all have our little 533 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 4: baggage to carry. 534 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 535 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I always end my podcast by sharing having you 536 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: have the platform of sharing a piece of advice, inspiration, 537 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: or something that maybe we didn't touch on or talk 538 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: about that's super close to your heart. So I give 539 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: you the florest total yours as if it wasn't already. 540 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: But the floorst totally yours. 541 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: I know this is like it's very wooly or very 542 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: very sort of lovely lovely. 543 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 4: But you know, if you open especially if you're in America, 544 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 4: if you open up your apps and you open up 545 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: your news, whatever it is you watch, everything is bad. 546 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: Everything is negative, politics, cost of living, money issues, everything. 547 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: And then if you it feels like a very dark world. 548 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: But if I would say one thing is like, just 549 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: go and walk your dog. 550 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 4: If you walk out into the park and I meet 551 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: so many people who are seventy or eighty years old, 552 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 4: six years old, retired, homeless, anybody as a dog, just 553 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 4: talk to them. And if you talk to them on 554 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: a human level and you just are honest and just 555 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: the dog can be the opening part of that, you'll 556 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 4: find that people are very very nice, and very very 557 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: insecure and very wanting to talk. It's just the world 558 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: I think has conditioned us to be angry and political 559 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: and just angry really, So like I talk to people 560 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 4: and just listen to them, and you'll find out that 561 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 4: most people are a lot better than you think. 562 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: They are a lot of people and a lot of 563 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: animals too. I think you have changed the narrative for 564 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: so many dogs out there and changing the narrative is 565 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 2: where it all starts, and you're doing just that. So 566 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: now thanks for joining me, and make sure you guys 567 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: go get his book, Tina the Dog Could Change the World. 568 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: Is it so cool to see you and Tina a 569 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: picture of you, guys, and you're just everywhere. 570 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous seeing her be so proud. 571 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 3: I love it. 572 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: It's so sweet and the picture on the book is 573 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: so adorable. So guys, go get the book. I think 574 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,239 Speaker 2: you'll love it. And now just thank you for what 575 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: you're doing. And it's so cool to be able to 576 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: share your story and for you to be here and 577 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: talk about it. 578 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: Thank you very very much. 579 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: While this interview was inspired by our love for rescue 580 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 2: dogs and all the work that goes into rescue, now 581 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: is also a great example of second chances and truly 582 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: showing all of us that change is possible and it's 583 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: okay if you one day want to put a stop 584 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: to things and go to another country and save dogs, 585 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: which you know, maybe one day I can do that too. 586 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: I hope this episode found you where you needed to 587 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: hear it. I hope as things in the world continue 588 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: to shift, that you're taking care of yourself and encouraging 589 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: yourself to chase the dreams that you've always wanted. I 590 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: posted this quote on my Instagram this week, and it 591 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: feels very important to end this episode on Imagine looking 592 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: back one day and realizing that you were brave enough 593 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: to chase the life you wanted and it worked. So 594 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: go with that into the world as you will. And 595 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: I thank you for listening to this podcast and being here. 596 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: I love you guys, Talk with you next week.