WEBVTT - Episode 52: 'Game of Thrones' RECAP 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.960 Hello, Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nedificent. I 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.680 am one half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and sitting 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.639 across from me as always is, if you want what, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.479 how's everybody doing? How's everyone feeling? I hope everyone is 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.919 feeling great. I feel good, Iffy if that was specifically 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.120 to me, Yeah, no, I'm feeling all right. You know. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.840 I had my brother's bachelor party of this past Yeah, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.280 can you talk about that at all? I mean I 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.800 up until until a point yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.600 we went to a brewery that was great. You know, 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.760 that was a good time. Uh got to taste some 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.360 different flavored beer. Coachella Valley Brewing Company. Really, they took 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.479 good care of us. They you know, when I was 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.640 getting ready to pay, I was gonna go to pay 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.440 for my brother who is the bachelor, and he was like, oh, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.800 we already took care of the bachelor. And that was 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.560 real sweet of them. So shout them out. Go down there, delicious, Bruce. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.880 I'm a big sweet brew They they had brewery tours 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.440 at like six and we ended up the lift driver 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.480 was wild out of this world and ended up getting 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:14.920 us their six fifteen and I was like, I don't 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.399 know if we can still squeeze one in there, like yeah, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.959 no problem, and they took us and we were like 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.840 it was so funny, so full disclosure, like me and 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.320 my brother, like I said, I'm from Compton. These are 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.199 all our friends mostly from Compton. Rudy who's our cousin, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.400 also from Compton, and so like when I was like, yeah, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.320 we're gonna go to uh this this brewery, and they 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.680 all looked at so we're just gonna drink beers and 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.280 I was like, well there's more there. They like taste good, 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.360 they're like craft beers. And I'm like and I could 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.680 tell no one, no one was really really on the 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.280 on on the train and then like everyone got their 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.080 first round and like tasted on and then we went 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.600 on the tour. Everyone was locked in and then by 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.800 then we're getting a little toasty, so we're super in. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.120 I this weekend went to wonder Con and I don't 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.320 know if you saw my pictures, but it was also 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.200 wild who were getting wild? Did you see my Chippendales? 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.720 It was Chippendale the rescue rangers dressed up like chippen nails. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.480 The strippers they were in like g strings, they had 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.880 little dollar bills. They even had a radio that they 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.640 took with them and it would like blast music that 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.320 they would dance to. And Ben Simon, my friend who's 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.280 also on Crazy Ex Girlfriend, he pointed out and he 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.720 was like, Oh, that's the radio from a brave little toaster. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.240 So did the full callback and not only did I 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.760 stop them, but later when I was on a panel, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.800 they were sitting in the audience of my panel and 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.840 they're like, Hey, we we like that interaction we had earlier. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.640 We're gonna come and made them get up and uh 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.000 and show themselves. Show yourself, show what the word that 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.360 you've done. Yeah, it was a spicy con. There are 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.840 a lot of spicies. Somebody else was there that had 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.880 the panel right before mine, and it is our lovely 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.280 guest today. She's a tech and gaming host, Tricia Hershberger. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.040 Thank you for having me. Yeah, you were literally coming 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.239 off your panel as I was going onto onto the stage. Ye. 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.440 What panel was that. I'm trying to think which one 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.200 was right before yours. I believe it was the Building 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.480 a Geek brand panel. So just kind of, you know, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.040 telling people how you can turn your passion into your 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.320 living and giving advice to people who are maybe still 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.840 in the start up phase. So a lot of Q 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.560 and A in that panel to help everybody tackle their 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.200 individual challenges. But it was really fun. Yeah. I think 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.480 the panel that I had, weirdly right after yours was 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.840 my LGBT and minority host how to break Through, so 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.840 kind of the same thing. Yeah, lots of info nuggets, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.920 how to do what we what we do, But you're right, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.840 wonder Con was totally wild. I saw some out of 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.560 this World cause plays. Um. I also saw the Chippendale 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.520 Dancing Chippendale, which was hilarious. But yeah, some really really 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.840 fun crossover stuff. I met a guy at Latino Underscore 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.120 Joker on Instagram who did the best Joker makeup I 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.880 think I may have ever seen in a cosplay. He 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:13.200 was amazing. Um, And I saw a Janine with the Ghostbusters, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:14.960 but like a Janine all packed out and ready to 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.360 go fight some ghosts, which as a kid that watched 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.600 the eighties cartoon all the time in the nineties cartoon, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.159 that was a big deal for me to see Janine. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.040 So I got my picture with Janine. Some guy committed 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.839 as Lego Batman and he was like three times my size, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.279 like he was actually in this boxing as a lego 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.200 batman and I'm like, how is he walking? I mean 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.040 the commitment. I yeah, I posted on like my instant stories. Yeah. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.400 One Comic Con I dressed up. My buddy had a 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.599 web comment called Glamorrock Gorilla and I just so happened 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.880 to have a gorilla outfit and he had this leather 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.920 jacket made. That was what the gorilla ward in the 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.200 web comics. So I walked around in a gorilla costume, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.599 wearing a leather jacket on top of the gorilla costume, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.800 and it was hot, it was it was not fun. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.080 So that's why whenever I see these like full suit costplays, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.000 I'm like, I respect you because I've been there and 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.839 it's hot and good friend. Yeah, you know, I'd like 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.720 to support people, and it's it's it's not a new thing. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.360 I've always supported the homies brands. That is also why 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.360 when you see some of us that are in not 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.480 very much clothing, that is why. Because Comic Con is 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.640 in July in the summer and it's hot as hell 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.159 out in San Diego. So, um, we all know what 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.279 happened if he when I broke my um, I was 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.440 wearing a one piece too. Right before my Nerdice panel, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.680 I was at Skybound doing a panel and I went 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.000 to the bathroom with Rika Ishi, who's one of our friends, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.159 and um my zipper broke like just completely. So it 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.320 was like down to my navel was just everything was out. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.800 Oh no. Yeah. So if he said no, just rocket, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.680 it's a look and I'm like, yeah, no, if I 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.680 like turned to the side, you know what I mean. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.240 I was like, if I turned to a side, I'm 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.599 going to be in trouble. Look at some people on 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.320 the stream, because not only was Nerdiced, um we did 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.520 a live show, but there was also a stream two 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.120 of our live show, and so I was like, some people, look, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.640 I don't care if you see you know, boobs might 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.400 allowed to say that on here. I don't care if 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.320 you see a boob, um, but I think some people 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:16.960 in the stream might care. Some people in the stream 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.000 might not care, but then some people will care. Anyways. Yeah, 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.200 there's those castplay repair carts that run around now. By 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.400 the way, should you have that happen at a future con? 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.200 There are cosplay of repair people that are actually a 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.520 lot of times their crafters and costumers themselves that instead 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.520 of cause playing at the con want to just like 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.600 do a good deed and run around and we'll fix 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.880 your cause plays for free. Oh my gosh, I would 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.960 have paid them. Nobody had safety pins, nobody had tape. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.640 It was a nightmare. Yeah, I mean, speaking of boobs. Today, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.719 we're here to talk about the Game of Thrones from 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.440 the books to the TV series. I mean, I feel 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.080 like that's that's kind of like the same way kind 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.440 of you get the you know, nerd world in intersecting 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.800 with the mainstream. I feel like Game of Thrones was 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.520 like one of the more recent nerd property, nerd properties 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.320 that got like the mainstream interested. And I think, you know, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.200 being as like R rated as it is is what 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.680 got people going because they're like, yeah, this isn't like 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.840 Harry Potter Man, there's like boobs, and well, let me 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.000 just tell you there's tons of boobs in the books too. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.360 And the books were around way before the show and 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.600 they were not mainstream. Like if you were like, oh, man, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.960 I want to share this very large book with you 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.200 by a man named George R. Martin, people were like, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.120 get out of here with that stuff. But now that 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.560 it's a TV show, when it's on HBO. Everybody's loving it, Fatricia. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.440 I grew up with boobs and anime and Hentie, so 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.840 I hear you before it was big. But you know, also, 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.200 what's crazy about it is if you were like if 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.480 you did reel someone in and they're like, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.040 I'm in, and when can I expect the next book? 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.080 And you have to be like, I don't know, maybe 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.560 in a decade we see oh yeah the space between 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.840 these books and make me glad that I got into 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.200 it when I did, because I would have lost my 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.240 mind because I was on the internet very early, so 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.480 I would have been banned from the Internet way quicker 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.000 because I would have been yelling at George armanin when's 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.840 the next book coming out? Dude? So many people do that. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.040 He's like, so over it? Have you sure? Have you 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.240 seen his interviews where like people are like him, what 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.280 do you? What do you say to the people that think, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.080 due to your health, you're not going to make it 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.120 to finish the next book? And he just flips off 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.200 the camera. He's like, so over it. So that's a 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:39.520 gross question to ask somebody, So die before you might 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.560 die before this comes out? What do you how do 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.640 you feel about under normal circumstances, I think it was 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.840 it would be a gross scaracter. But this man has 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.839 waited ten to fifteen years between books. And if you're 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.160 how many books are in the series right now, like 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.680 I think five or six, so you're six books and 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.200 you're like, I might not see how this is. I 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.760 think we've gotten excerpts from the six. Really listen, Brad 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.280 Bird took fourteen years before Incredibles to that's also true. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.360 There are people who, I mean, let's not even get 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.280 started on Kingdom Hearts three, Like, there are people who 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:19.080 did not live to see I Love. It's been like 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.240 hit or Mess. But it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous game. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.319 There are plot holes everywhere. It's the most convoluted narrative 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.760 that ever exists. But let me just tell you when 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.920 the teacups come out from the ground and start slaughtering people, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.520 it is awesome. I guess we should have mentioned that 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.320 this is a spoiler. This is going to be spoiler 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.560 heavy for a Game of Thrones if you haven't seen it. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.960 It's kind of hard to tackle the series as we 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.480 go into season by season without spoiling something. So if 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.000 that does bother you and you're planning to, I don't know, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.640 catch it and binge it before it comes out this weekend. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.000 You might wanna take a not a nightcap, you might 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.000 want a nightcap and all so rain check, that's the 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.080 word I was looking for. Yeah, So just before we 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.920 go into the meat of the books, just so people 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.280 are just really understanding what I'm talking about. Game of 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:16.400 Thrones was published in nine six sequel A Clash of Kings, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:22.040 not bad, right, Storm of Swords in the year two thousand, alright, 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.720 not bad? Uh, And then in November two thousand and five, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.400 A Feast for Crows, the fourth novel comes out, and 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.959 you're like, all right, that's a bit longer. And then 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.280 the fifth book, A Dance with Dragons, is published in 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.360 two thousand and eleven, six years later, and I think 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:45.559 that's where we last left off, and it is now 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.520 we've been getting teased with excerpts excerpts, and it is 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.240 two thousand nineteen. So we went from two years to 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.720 five years to six years to now we are eight 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.000 years in counting to be fair, the man executive produced 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.559 is lots of different titles and stuff. Now his career 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.640 has blossomed also, Yeah, because he's definitely made that shift 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.280 in the TV which you know, based on want to 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.000 hear writing money is versus TV money. I can see 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.960 why he's like, oh, this is going wait while I 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.600 make this money money. Uh and he actually is eping 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:24.560 a Nigerian offer neca for who I knew about before. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.440 You know, the brothers came on to talk about it 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.640 and I was very interesting. So it was a very 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.400 small world moment when they're like, oh, she's our mentor. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.959 Uh so so yeah, so nice little callback. Let's jump 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:42.600 in two Game of Thrones. Yes, so, um, Tricia, what 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.520 what so? You read the books? When did you first 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.400 get your hands on them? Like, how old were you 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.440 and what was Let's see, was it when they came 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.920 out or was it years after I was in my 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:56.240 late teens? Yeah, I was in my late teens, so 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.600 it would have been after probably after the first three 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.120 were already out. Um, and that's when I got the 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.040 first one and I actually picked up and put it 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.640 back down three times before I finished it. Yeah, let's 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.120 talk about that because off air you were mentioning that 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.160 you read a lot of fantasy novels. I'm more of 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.960 a sci fi guy. Um, but you were saying how 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.240 it was a hard read and how like with me 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.880 there was no frame of reference. I think Game of 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.080 Thrones was my first fantasy in since I was very little. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:24.680 I was like, way too young. I think I was 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.760 in third or fourth grade, maybe seventh when I first 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.600 tried to pick up the Hobbit and it just wasn't 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.160 popping off the page. How I wanted to Yeah, not 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.520 to seven year old Iffy, But this was seven year 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.640 old Iffy who already found anime. So like, this needs 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.439 to go which which is you know, also ironic since 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.920 I watched DBZ, which takes a moment to get to 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.320 the action. But with me, I was like, no, I 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.560 wanted the goblin stabbing something page three. Uh. But so, like, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.520 what were the types of fantasy novels you were reading 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.959 before you decided to pick up a Game of Throne, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.000 Lord of the Rings? Um A lot of the books 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.440 in the Token Verse, the dragon Lance novels back in 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.560 the day, So that's the kind of stuff I was into. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.640 So I was into kind of high fantasy, Like I 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.880 like my magic, I like my dragons, and uh, the 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.600 first Game of Thrones book doesn't have a lot of that. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.640 The first book is a lot of politics, which this 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.840 series I feel like does a lot better than the 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.400 book does. So you're going through the book and you know, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.720 there are parts that are incredibly slow and drawn out, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.120 and a lot of In most fantasy novels, a lot 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.000 of the characters either have multiple names or have names 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.200 that sound very similar, so you're constantly flipping to the 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.800 back of the book to remember who's who, without having 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.760 the benefit that we now have of the show where 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.880 we can visualize the character to put with a name. Um. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.920 So I found the first book to be a very 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.000 hard read until I got to the end, which, again 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.720 we're spoiler alerting this if you've watched seasons one through seven, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.040 come on with us for this ride until the end 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.440 of the first book, which ends much like the end 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.360 of the first season with denari'skving birth to the Three Dragons. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.199 So at that point I was like, oh, where's the 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.440 next book? I'm so is until then I was like, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.080 this is politics. Yeah, that's that's that's really what it was. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.520 And to me, I was as a sci fi guy 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.600 that I was into that because sci fi is a 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.640 lot of like hyper politics and and and you know space, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.760 you know, like very bureaucratic in their like space wars 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.360 and exchanges of power. So I was like locked in 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.440 and that I had to And funny enough, even with 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.160 all that, I still had that same moment where I 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.240 was like, oh, dragons are real, because like in throughout 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.280 the first book, it's almost like it's fable. Those times 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.720 are pasted, there are no and so you're like, I 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.880 was like, Okay, so this is gonna be a fantasy 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.080 that doesn't do much fantasy. And then they're like, nope, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.200 psych that's the wrong number. And actually, I take that 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.240 back the very beginning snippet In the beginning of the book, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.120 there's magic and fantasy and then you forget about it 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.000 for the whole rest of the book. But the first 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.920 season does that exact same thing, where we get that 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.240 scene with the White Walkers in the very beginning, and 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.360 then it skips all the way well I shouldn't say 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.040 it skips, but then politics, politics, politics, all the way 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.560 to the magic at the end of the first season. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.720 But I think if you're going back to what you 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.480 were saying about having that more mass appeal, I think 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.600 the fact that it is so grounded in kind of 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.440 reality and the politics of it all is what brings 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.960 in your mainstream viewing public, because I think if they 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.920 saw magic and dragons and all that right from the beginning, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.440 they wouldn't believe it, Whereas now they're already invested in 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.440 the reality of that world, so they're more apt to believe, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.000 Oh crap, there's dragons. You know. That's that's a good 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.200 point because there are like I have talked to friends 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.360 who are trying to get their friends into the show 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.520 now and it's kind of being that same argument. Was like, oh, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.240 you mean the Dragon show, And it was like to 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.520 to call it the dragon show when we have waited 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.440 and worked so hard to to to get to the dragons. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.960 It is true. Well, and you know, right before, so 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.760 if we're talking about the show right before Game of Thrones, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.320 that slot was True Blood and I grew up like 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.000 I was watching True Blood. Same thing. Yeah, vampires, a 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.800 lot of sex. Yes, that's how they got people in. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:19.800 I mean, wow, wow, first episode. Wow, this is how 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.360 much of a hyper nerd. I was just like, oh, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:27.560 you get to see rogues boobs. I mean, but I 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.000 agree because so I remember like everyone, oh yeah, everyone 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.880 in my family watched it. I remember, like my I 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.000 would go over and watch it with my cousin and 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.720 her husband, and it was like, so, I don't know, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.160 so raunchy, but like they weren't into sci fi fantasy 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.600 and that type of stuff, like that type of lure, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.080 and I think because they kind of made it like, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.520 oh no, it's kind of like a soap opera slash 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:54.640 drama slash just skinnamax essentially is what helps get it 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.640 get it in. And True Blood actually calmed down a 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.320 bit after that first season. That first season, but it 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:05.159 got hella magical. The sex came down and then it 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.159 was like fairies and all the you know, any of 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.880 these Suckie Stackhouse books so very similar to the Game 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.840 of Thrones. The books are like those books are like 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:19.040 you know, you're, You're, They're very lots of sex scenes, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.280 very very into it. Like it wasn't quite shades of 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.159 it wasn't quite there, but it definitely was like the 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.880 book club was like, oh, we're gonna read about this 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.359 type of stuff. And I only knew about it because 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.520 I was funny enough. True Blood was deep into my 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.160 headspace because the person I was dating at the time 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.080 was a big fan of the Sukie Stackhouse books, big fan, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:42.879 and you know she was from Utah, so you know 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.800 that was real spicy out there. They're like, hold up, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.880 hold up, we're getting getting a little taste there. So yeah, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.639 that's and I think, yeah, the same thing where you 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.080 just grounded in enough reality and kind of almost in 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.119 the same way the m C you kind of pulls 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.960 in regular people where you just kind of find that 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:04.199 other genres. So there is this its core if you 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.159 eject all of the magic. Game of Thrones is a 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.240 show about politics, and I think True Blood was about 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.240 kind of like a soap opera that but like that, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.000 I don't. I hate using the term because we kind 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.440 of I want to say like high soap soap opera, 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.160 because there are like soap opera s shows that seem 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.120 more mainstream than actual soap operas. But I think it's 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.760 you just call it soap opera because you know the 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.800 new thing. I was saying, like with movies like Hereditary 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.840 and and Us, should there be a term called elevated horrors? Like, no, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.080 it's horror. It's the same horror. Just because you feel 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.960 smarter doesn't mean you have to try and alienate people 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.400 when you like it. So that's why I was against 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.480 calling it like high soap opera, but like, yeah, that's 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.359 soap opera. Yeah, but you're right, Danny, that that show 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.960 ended and it left the people that watch True Blood 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.480 with on Sunday night. I was one of those people. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.040 I mean, I watched True Blood at the end, even 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.800 though I was like, this show is not good anymore, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.320 and I don't care. I'm still watching it and yeah, 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.639 then what am I going to do with my Sunday nights? Boom? 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.440 Game of Throne? So before we hop into season two 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.159 in the second book, we are going to take a 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:21.399 quick break and we're back. I forgot to tell you that. Okay, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.879 so I had I had never seen Game of Thrones, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.879 but I like, at least for the first couple of seasons. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.640 But it was so prevalent online that I did uh 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.359 movie fights about it at screen junkies, and I won 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.720 my round against people that actually watched it. But that's 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.639 just because it's such in the zeit guy, So right, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.440 I knew all the memes, I knew all the characters 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.720 people made fun of. I knew the stuff that had happened. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.560 Like that's just because I live online, So that isn't 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.639 that funny? Like Yeah. Also, I don't think that they 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.440 knew that I picked are yet, Like I think you 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.280 had to pick like the strongest character, and I picked 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:57.639 or like the best. You had to argue when I 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.359 picked her, And it was just also because I knew 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.360 so much about it just from being on Twitter constantly. Yeah, 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.399 And I mean the characters that are the strongest in 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.879 this series change for the season a season, which is 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.080 I think what makes it such an interesting series. Um 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.840 and Danny, you were mentioning before we started recording that 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.160 you felt like there was a lot of stuff going 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.920 on with the male female dynamic in the series that 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.160 you weren't so thrilled with, And uh, that starts to shift, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.840 And I mean where we are now, it's definitely I 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:33.560 would argue more prominent women that are main players than men. Um. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.320 But yeah, I mean it's it's got some really strong 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.160 female characters. Are you being one of them? But depending 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.520 which season, Like a lot of people thought Sanza was 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.159 a big pushover for a long time now frustrating, but 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.840 that's like she was written better in the books. Oh yeah, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.960 Like because I only saw bits and pieces of Sanza 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.760