1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted, or should I say 2 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I 3 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only wes Hodkuits. 4 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: We're coming to hear from our studios at lambeau Field West. 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: We are back. We will officially call this the kickoff 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: of season four of Packers Unscripted. Can you believe that, 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: like all great shows, Michael back for a fourth season, 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: renewed by Craig Shieldbau or the man above and hitting 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: it back in this action and the Packers dot Com 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: in this studio incredible? How time fast, the time flies. 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: Happy to be back, no doubt about it. And we 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: are back because right around the corner we are just 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: a matter of hours away. I guess we could say 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: from the opening training camp practice of for the Green 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Bay Packers for Matt Lafleur in his first year as 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Green Bay's head coach, as well as a handful of 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: other coaches who are on his staff and in Green 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: Bay for the first time. We'll call this our training 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: camp preview episode. We'll try to cover all the bases 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: here For those who like to read, I just want 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: to refer you to our Countdown to Camp series on 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com because West and I put together position 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: by position, we go through every spot on the roster, 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: laying out who all is there, the battles for starting positions, 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: for playing time for roster spots, all of that. You 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: can catch the whole series on Packers dot Com as 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: it wraps up this week. But offensive side of the ball, West, 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw it at you, what do you 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: see in that phase of the game on the offensive 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: side for the Packers As the number one issue heading 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: into training camp. I think the number one issue is 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: really finding more established playmakers. You know, you have Davante Adams, 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: You've seen in spurts, what Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams 34 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: can both do. Certainly the track records there with you, 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: Mey Graham. But when you lose a playmaker like Randall 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: Cobb a year after using a playmaker like Jordy Nelson, 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: Packers need new talent to emerge. The exciting thing for 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: them is I think there's a lot of really good 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: candidates at the receiver position. We saw some hints of 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: it last year. Mark Quez Valdes, Scantling Geronoo Allison is 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: healthy again after the core muscle injury. But it's one 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: thing to have that potential, it's another thing to turn 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: it into production. And I think as they go into 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: this year's training camp, this year's preseason, seeing which one 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: of those guys kind of grabs the brass ring and 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: establishes themselves in this offense. The quarterbacks there, the scheme 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: is there with Matt Laflour, They just need that young 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: talent to emerge. They feel good about it, but again, 49 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: it has to be accomplished on the field. Yeah, I 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: think when you look at the skill positions on offense, 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: that's really where the attention is. And I don't mean 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: to discount what's going on in the offensive line when 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: you have Billy Turner stepping in as a new starter, 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: Lane Taylor coming back being healthy in an off season 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: for the first time in a couple of years, and 56 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: an All Pro at left tackle, and David bakt In 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: a future Pro bowler. I think in Corey Lindsley, Brian Bulaga, 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: all those guys. But when I look at the skill 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: positions West you mentioned Jimmy Graham. He made no bones 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: about the fact that he his first season in Green 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: Bay did not go the way he wanted. You look 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: at running back, I think Aaron Jones is a potential 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: star in the making in this league and in this offense. 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams is a proven guy after a couple of years. 65 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: And then where does Dexter Williams fit into the mix 66 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: as a sixth round pick out of Notre Dame with 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: a lot of potential. And then at wide receiver, it's 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Davante Adams and right now a whole bunch of other 69 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: guys right mvs. Geroni, Moyallison, e q st Brown, Jamond Moore, Jakumero, 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis coming back after a year sort of lost 71 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: to injury. You might say, there's a lot to pay 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: attention to here. You got any I guess early inclinations 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: at wide receiver as to maybe how you see this 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: shaking out the guys that really impressed me in this 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: offseason program or obviously gern wo Allison and Marquis about 76 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: this scantling Allison just because of the shape he returns 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: in um he he looked like he was built for 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: a big role this year. You can tell he put 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: the time in. He got back from that core muscle injury, 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: and it looked like a guy that could potentially play 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: in the slot. He's certainly proven himself outside. I think 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: he brings that multifaceted sort of skill set that Matt 83 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Lafour once out of the receivers from MVSS perspective, this 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: is a guy that averaged what over fifteen yards per 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: catch last season. He had thirty eight catches for six 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: yards or whatever it was. I mean, he's a big 87 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: play target and I think he has a field stretching 88 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: scheme that's really going to help him in that regard. 89 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: The guy that flew under the radar though, was Trevor Davis. 90 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I thought Trevor Davis had a really strong offseason program 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: during the practices that were open to the media. We 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: all know what he can do as a returner. He 93 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: established himself in two thousand seventeen is one of the 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: top returners in the league. But he also was making 95 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: some plays on the offensive side of the ball. People 96 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: sometimes forget when you think of Gjeroni Wilson going in 97 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: his fourth year, so is Trevor Davis. I mean, this 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: isn't a guy that just showed up out of nowhere. 99 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean he was a fifth round pick and now 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: in his fourth NFL season. He has experience, he has speed, 101 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: needs to put it together. Now. Yeah, the tight end position, 102 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: I think is is one to watch as well. With 103 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: regard to you have Jimmy Graham, you have another veteran 104 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: in Marcedes Lewis, but the Packers made an investment in 105 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: the draft in j Sternberger at at tight end. We've 106 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of questions and Insider Inbox about him. 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: You and I both have talked about the the timeline 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the development of tight ends in this league. It's not overnight. 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: The transition from being a college tight end to an 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: NFL one is significant. And I pointed this out in 111 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: our Insider Inbox column earlier this week in that you 112 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: look at Jamichael Finley in two thousand and eight, he 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: was a third round draft pick, a young guy without 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: a lot of college experience because he had red shirted, 115 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: played two years at Texas declared for the draft. Sternberger 116 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: was a junior college guy one year in the SEC 117 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: declares for the draft. I'm not saying Sternburger is going 118 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: to be the next jere Michael Finley, but you're Michael 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: Finley for as productive and dynamic of players. He became 120 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: his first twenty two games in the NFL West, two 121 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: touchdowns and one game with more than fifty six yards receiving. 122 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen overnight at the position. But a guy 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: like Ja Sternberger, He's got Jimmy Graham and Marcedes Lewis 124 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: in front of him. He couldn't ask to be in 125 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: a better position room to get his NFL career start, 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: and he has Robert Twyan pushing him for playing time 127 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: to I like the competition that's brewing in that room. 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: From Sternberger's perspective, That's exactly what I've said since day one, 129 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: since the moment they draft him. I'm sure you could 130 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: roll back the film of our of our conversations, is 131 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: that it's going to be a patience thing with him 132 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: understanding what he did and how as impressive as it 133 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: was in one year of Texas and A and Texas 134 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: A and M it was one year, you have to 135 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: be able to build on that. You have to become 136 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: a complete and full tight end. That going to be 137 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: the learning process for him. The nice thing for the 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: Packers perspective, what I really liked about the approach that 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: Brian Goodkin's took here is he's given Jimmy Graham another shot. 140 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: They brought back Marcedes Lewis. And I really think Robert 141 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Tonyan's a find. I think he has a skill set, 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: especially on special teams that lends himself to that number 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: three tight end position that I think he can contribute. 144 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: But the one thing I just want to point out, 145 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with Jimmy Graham. I know he 146 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: feels like there was yards left out, their touchdowns left 147 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: out there. But we tend to romanticize Jared Cook's two 148 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen seasons so much. And I understand that 149 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham played in all sixteen regular season games, but 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Graham had twice as many yards as Cooked it he 151 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: had twice as many touchdowns even though it's only two. 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Then Cook did I think there's this idea that Jimmy 153 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: Graham was going to come up and come in and 154 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: put up thirteen yards and twelve touchdowns like he did 155 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven. That isn't always how it works. 156 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that is a fleeting a couple of times 157 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: a year type thing at the tight end position. The 158 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: big thing for him is getting healthy, understanding how he 159 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: fits in Matt Lafleur's offense, and b that go to 160 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: target that Aaron Rodgers feels he can become. There's a 161 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: reason why he's back, there's a reason why he's still here, 162 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: and there's a reason why the Packers feel that this 163 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: guy could be a different difference maker in this offense. Yeah. Well, 164 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the offensive line, I do want 165 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: to touch on this in that I think there's a 166 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: lot of competition for the backup spots. It looks like 167 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the starting five based on what we saw in the 168 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: offseason program during O t S and minicamp. Left right, 169 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Box, tr Taylor, Lindsley, Turner, Bologa. That 170 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: seems to be the number one unit if everybody stays 171 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: healthy and all of that. But the Packers have a 172 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: number of guys and I'm not even sure West if 173 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: there's going to be room for all of them on 174 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. But the Packers have a 175 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: number of backup offensive linemen who have game experience, who 176 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: have fifty three man roster experience. I'm talking about Justin McCray, Lucas, Patrick, 177 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: Alex Light, Jason Spriggs, all of these, all of these 178 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: guys who are going to be the reserves on the 179 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: offensive line. That competition and how it shakes out, and 180 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: how many offensive linemen end up being kept in the 181 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: versatility maybe guys you know, being able to fill in 182 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: at some different positions. All that is going to factor 183 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: in to some interesting competition at that spot. It's the 184 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: deepest group of offensive lineman the Packers have had during 185 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: my time on the beat. I don't know if you 186 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: can speak to that as well as long as you've 187 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: been here. But the fact that you have a starting five, 188 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: as I wrote in the Countdown the Camp series, that 189 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: has three five starts in the NFL. Billy Turner can 190 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: play right tackle if you need him to. He's made 191 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: starts on the left side as well. And then you 192 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: look at those reserves, I think you got right now. 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: You have Lucas Patrick, Justin mccraie, and Cole Madison who 194 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: returned to the team. They're all going to be competing 195 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: for those interior offensive line spots. I think you're gonna 196 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: see Adam Panky and and Nowlex Light trying to push 197 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Jason Spriggs for the outside tackle position in that reserve 198 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: you know area, there is going to be a lot 199 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: of talent out there, and I think when you see 200 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the second team third team offensive line during the preseason, 201 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be as competitive a group as you seen 202 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: at least during you know, the last ten years. I 203 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: just I see so much talent. I see a lot 204 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: of young guys. And I'm not even talking about Elton Jenkins, 205 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: who was the second round pick, who by the way, 206 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: started two years at the center. Looks like he's gonna 207 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: be focusing more at the guard position right now, but 208 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: he gives you that flexibility to if you're not a starter, 209 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: you have to be able to do more than one thing. 210 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: And I think when you look at this array of 211 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: talent the Packers have at that reserve spot, there are 212 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: guys that can plug in different spots. The big question 213 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: is going to be it's when we can't answer for 214 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: five weeks, but how many spots do you ultimately go 215 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: with depending on how that roster looks at the end 216 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: of August. Yeah. Absolutely. And one last thing before we 217 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: move on to the defensive side of the ball, the 218 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: backup quarterback Battle West. I don't know what you think. 219 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: I think it's wide open. Uh, Deshaun Kaiser, Tim Boyle, 220 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Manny Wilkins, the undrafted rookie from Arizona State, would be 221 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: the dark horse in the race obviously. But I've been 222 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: asked this an insider in box numerous times and I've 223 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: kept giving the same answer. I don't know who it's 224 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: going to be, and I don't even know. I'm not 225 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: even comfortable enough to say which guy. If there is 226 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: a guy who's a favorite right now heading into training camp, 227 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: I think it's wide open, and these guys are gonna 228 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: play a lot to Mike. I think even Manny Wilkins 229 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: is going to get a lot of opportunities this preseason. 230 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Because you know, this is a conversation for another day. 231 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how much Aaron Rodgers is going to 232 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: play in this preseason. The third game, where traditionally has 233 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: been your big game for the offense, the first team 234 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: offense is going to be played in Canada. How does 235 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: that affect things. I think you're gonna see Tim Boyle 236 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: get a lot of opportunities under center. Deshaun Kaiser, as 237 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: the presumptive number two, is going to get those opportunities 238 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: as well. But each of those practices is going to 239 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: be important. It's gonna be important to show, as I 240 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: wrote an insider in box this past week, the Packers 241 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: that they made the right decision not going out and 242 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: finding a veteran quarterback to bring in a backup, somebody 243 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: that that would be off the market, that probably would 244 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: cost a couple million dollars, that has a wrecked track 245 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: record in that regard. Brian Goodak instant go that way. 246 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: He stood by Kaiser, who they made a trade for 247 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: last year, still only twenty three years old. All the 248 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: potential in the world has an NFL build, has an 249 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: NFL arm just trying to hone in some of those 250 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: small characteristics, the accuracy and whatnot. And then Boyle, who 251 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I saw one article that said he's put on even 252 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: more arm strength this offseason. I made a joke about 253 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: how he's gonna break the sound barrier with that. I 254 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: just think that the training camper ups are gonna be important. 255 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: But these preseason games, man, they are going to be 256 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: imperative to show that those guys can be the number two. Yeah, 257 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: and you're right, and that those young guys it's up 258 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: to them to show to reward the faith that Brian 259 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Gouda Kunts in the front office has shown in them 260 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: by giving them this opportunity here in on the defensive 261 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: side of the ball. To me, the biggest story is 262 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: simply how do all the new pieces fit together for 263 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Mike Petton. You've got two brand new outside linebackers in 264 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: Preston Smith and Zadarius Smith. You drafted an outside linebacker 265 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: in the first round, and Rashawn Gary at safety. You 266 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: got Adrian Amos the free agent acquisition, and another first 267 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: round pick in Darnell Savage. The new pieces and how 268 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: this all comes together with Mike Petton. It's been quite 269 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: an off season on outside of the ball in Green Bay, 270 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: and uh, it's time to get it started. So when 271 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: was the last time you picked up a controller and 272 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: played the Madden video game? What year was in? At 273 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: least ten years okay, at least ten years ago. This 274 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: reminds me. I don't know if they had franchise mode 275 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: back there, but it almost reminds me of like you 276 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: get that first off season when you start playing the 277 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: game and you start to fiddle with the roster a 278 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: little bit. You sign guys, you draft guys. That's as 279 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: close to I think the Packers actual roster looking like, 280 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: particularly on the defensive side of the ball. To that strategy. 281 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they just it was wholesale changes across the board, 282 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's exciting. I've written about it so 283 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: many times. My fingernails are coming off the hinges here 284 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: during the off season about how this group is going 285 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: to come together, because there is all the talent in 286 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: the world. They got two of the top pass rushers 287 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: on the market this offseason, they got one of the 288 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: top safeties on the market this offseason. And then, by 289 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: the way, those two first round picks that we talked 290 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: this past year about, they were both used on the 291 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Now, Gary looked explosive, he 292 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: looked great, I thought during the offseason. But this has 293 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: to be the Smith Show in two thousand nineteen. That's 294 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: why President is it Arius are here. Seeing how they 295 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: adapt to Mike Petton scheme is going to be exciting. 296 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: And seeing how Darnell Savage matches up with Adrian Amos 297 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: and and how those two potential pieces fit together. The veteran, 298 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the youngster that's the first round pick. There's a lot 299 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: of dynamic play there. And that's not even talking about 300 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: the cornerback position with JayR Alexander coming back after what 301 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: he did a year ago. Yeah, well, let's talk about 302 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: that cornerback position because you and I have talked about 303 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: it before this defense last year. In my opinion, this 304 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: defense had its best stretches when Kevin King and JayR 305 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Alexander were on the field together as the one and 306 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: two cornerbacks whatever order you want to put them in. 307 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: The problem was that with injuries to King and a 308 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: couple of minor injuries to Alexander, they weren't on the 309 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: field very much together at all. So to me, that's 310 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: a huge element of this Mike Petton defense taking the 311 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: leap for it in year two and being able to 312 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: play at its best for an extended stretch is for 313 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: those two guys. And then you're developing guys like Josh 314 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Jackson and maybe a Tony Brown behind them, and you 315 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: have the veteran and Tremont Williams at corner in that 316 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: top four or five mix as well. But it's it's 317 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: that those one two guys. It hinges on that to me, 318 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: so that Mike Patton isn't trying to play this mix 319 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: and match and scramble game to figure out, Okay, how 320 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: am I going to do this because one of my 321 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: top corners is sitting out all the time. There are 322 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: three keys that I established when I kept going back 323 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: and looking over this defense throughout the off season. Three keys, 324 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: specifically in the secondary, I think will be tied to 325 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: the Packers having the kind of season they want to 326 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: have on defense, particularly against the passing game. One, Kevin 327 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: King being healthy. If Kevin King can play in fifteen 328 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: or sixteen games this year, the secondary is going to 329 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: be singing. Secondly, Jr. Alexander taking a year to jump 330 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: after everything he brought to the table in year one, 331 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: when and everything, But even more so than that, if 332 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Rush Jackson can learn from what he did as a 333 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: rookie and put that towards being a consistent contributor in 334 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: his second year, it's gonna be really valuable for this defense. 335 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson played a lot mike if you look back 336 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: on it as a rookie, saw action in all sixteen games, 337 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: believe he started ten of them. There were the highs, 338 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: there were the lows, but working through that and becoming 339 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: that eight interception guy that he was at Iowa. If 340 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: you get those three pieces going together and can keep 341 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: them on the field together, along with your Truman Williams 342 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: and your Tony Brown's and you know Kadar Holman having 343 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: a really strong offseason. You get that group filled out, 344 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: you get that versatility together. Jai Alexander said it. They 345 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: have the pass rush now to get home, to be 346 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: able to force quarterbacks into bad situations, and a lot 347 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: of young ballhawks that can go and really capitalize on 348 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: those opportunities. Yeah, when you look up front on the 349 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: defensive side, I think if I were to pick one 350 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: position across the board for the Packers, where all else 351 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: being equal as far as injuries not necessarily making decisions 352 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: for people, if there's one position, I think the Packers 353 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: might have a really tough cut coming. As far as 354 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: a guy they really don't want to let go, but 355 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: they're going to be forced to just based on the numbers. 356 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: I think it might be the defensive lines because you've 357 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: got Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels. They had some injuries 358 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: last year. They are back. You don't have Mohammed Wilkerson 359 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: as far as that big three we were all talking 360 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: about last year, but with those injuries up front, Dean 361 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: Lowry got a lot more playing time, and he really 362 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: came on strong at the end of the year. Tyler 363 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Lancaster came on strong at the end of the year, 364 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: so did Montravius Adams. Then you add a draft pick 365 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: in Kingsley Kiki to the mix, another young guy like 366 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Fidel Brown who flashed here and there. I don't know 367 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: if the Packers are going to have room for everybody 368 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: that they really believe belongs on an NFL roster on 369 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: the defensive line, because they've put together a really nice 370 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: up and coming young group behind a veteran like Mike 371 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: Daniels who's going to be ending a contract here himself. 372 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: It's really interesting to Mike. There were years, especially to 373 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: going back to my days at the Press, because that 374 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: they had asked us to cut the roster. You know, 375 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: during the offseason. He has to cut the roster before 376 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: the start of the regular season. And there would be years, 377 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you where I would look at the 378 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: defensive front and I'd kind of be like, Okay, I 379 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: gotta find five guys here. And that's not a disrespect 380 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: to some of those defenses, but there just wasn't that depth. 381 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: There was a reason why they went and drafted, you know, 382 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. There's a reason why they tried to get 383 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: Dayton Jones in two thousand thirteen. They needed to really 384 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: deepen that preserve. In talking with Mike Daniels earlyer this offseason, 385 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: they've kind of done that. Now you have Daniels coming 386 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: back off the foot. I think it's his expectation to 387 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: be back here early on. We'll see exactly how that 388 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: situation plays out. But Kenny Clark's a guy that played 389 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: the snaps last year when he was healthy and wasn't 390 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: complaining about He actually looked even better. Things you can 391 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: get away with when you're twenty three years old. But 392 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: Dean Lowrie quietly had the best year of his career. 393 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: I thought you saw Tyler Lancaster come out of relative 394 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: nowhere if you look at it from an undrafted perspect 395 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: maybe even though the Packers felt pretty good about him. 396 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: He came up from the practice squad when Kenny Clark 397 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: was down. He was there starting nose tackle for three weeks, 398 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: and by the way, they actually defended the run pretty 399 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: well during those three weeks. You have montrevious Adams needs 400 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: to really show that he can be the player of 401 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: the Packers felt he was three years ago, and then Kiki, 402 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: I think is such a great prospect for them because 403 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: as he settles into his body and they figure out 404 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: an exact role for him, I think the one drawback 405 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: to how he was used in colleges he never really 406 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: got to be one guy. He had to be a 407 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: number of different guys. And then, not to mention, on 408 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: third downs, you're gonna see guys like you know, Zadarius 409 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: Smith move inside. So I'm just it's gonna be a 410 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: really difficult decision on the defensive lines sometimes, you know, 411 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: out of hand causes, you know, change the game a 412 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: little bit. Not wishing for any injuries whatsoever, but seeing 413 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: how those roles get filled, and then also how much 414 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: playing time trickles down past you know the Clarks and 415 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Lowry's and and obviously the Mike Daniels is gonna be 416 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: really interesting to watch. Yeah, well, one guy we didn't 417 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: talk about yet on the defensive side, but he's a 418 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: nice transition into the special team's discussion, and that's Orn 419 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Burke's at inside linebacker. He's a guy who looks like 420 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: he's ready and prepared to seize that other inside linebacker spot. 421 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: On defense next to Blake Martinez, and then it's Burke's 422 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: and another inside linebacker and James Crawford, who maybe two 423 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: of the guys who are looked to, as you know 424 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: the quote unquote Bell Cows the real leaders on special teams. 425 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: As the Packers under a new coordinator looking to really 426 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: revamp their special teams and get away from all the 427 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: penalties and all the problems with the field position and 428 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: everything that you really hindered the team on both sides 429 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: of the ball. Frankly in teens, so um special teams 430 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: to me, when I I look back to Crawford and Burkes, 431 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: they were solid special teams players for the Packers last year, 432 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: and those guys had one penalty apiece out of all 433 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: those penalties that were on special teams. So these are 434 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: the guys that can lead the way and get everybody else, 435 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: get everybody else to follow and lean up that that 436 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: aspect of the game. Just to close up and put 437 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: the book end on the defensive conversation, oren Bergs, A 438 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of people have asked, is he going to be 439 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: the guy next to Blake Martinez? Obviously looks like that 440 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: in early down situations. His competition, though, is not going 441 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: to be Crawford. It's not gonna be Tie Summers. It's 442 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: going to be showing that he can be on the 443 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: field on third downs and stay ahead of some of 444 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: those defensive backs there that also have gotten those opportunities 445 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: on special teams. The thing Seanmaninga talked about from the 446 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: day he got hired was aggression and discipline. Burke's and 447 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: Crawford are both two guys that epitomized that if you 448 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: could have eleven James Crawford's on the field, you're gonna 449 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: have one of the better special teams units in the 450 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: league because of how he's able to tow that line 451 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: and be able to play within himself without drawing those 452 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: unnecessary penalty negative yardage. That being said, this is going 453 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: to be a big change for the Packers. They said 454 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: they need to be able to establish some veteran leaders 455 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: on that group, and then Crawford's one of them. I 456 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: think Burke's can be one of them, depending on how 457 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: much he's utilized on defense. But being able to establish 458 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: those guys and also keep some guys healthy so you 459 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: don't have to keep cycling people through that's going to 460 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: be the challenge here. In addition to just being able 461 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: to play fundamentally, so that would certainly help. Well, we 462 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: are about out of time, so we're going to call 463 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Training Camp preview 464 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 465 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: coverage of the team on Packers dot com as training 466 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: camp gets underway, and we'll be with you regularly now 467 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: for shows throughout training camp, and then we'll crank up 468 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: to our five days a week during the regular season. 469 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: You're ready for that, I hope, So, I hope my 470 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: wife sticks around, but yeah, I think I think I 471 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: should be okay. All right with that? We will sign 472 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: off on Twitter. He is at west hot I am 473 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks 474 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.