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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. John Barry ESPN Radio, NBA analyst the former

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Speaker 1: NBA player on the call last night Game one Hawks Bucks,

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Speaker 1: What do you think of Fritzie's analogy there that Trey

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Speaker 1: Young needs to be more like Cinderella if they are

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Speaker 1: a true Cinderella. Stewart intriguing. I kind of like it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, I think the Knicks fans have

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Speaker 1: made him into a villain. He wasn't like this before,

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Speaker 1: and I guess he's so upset, but you got a

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Speaker 1: right to do whatever the hell right now what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Explain this to me though, the Bucks defensive philosophy against

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Speaker 1: Trey Young. You know he's gonna shoot. He took thirty

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Speaker 1: four shouts, he missed seventeen, but these pick and rolls

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Speaker 1: are you know, tell me what you think Milwaukee was

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Speaker 1: trying to do, and now what adjustments can they make

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Speaker 1: in Game two? Dan, He's taken eighty seven field Hampson

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Speaker 1: his last three games, eighty seven relentless energy. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of reminding me Alan Iverson. Excuse me, well,

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Speaker 1: I think what the Bucks did originally is that they said,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to let their three point shooters get going,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna live with Trey Young coming off the

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Speaker 1: high screening roll. Our big is going to retreat and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna give up the floater. And that's what he

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Speaker 1: got early in the game. I think he had twelve

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Speaker 1: or fifteen points early and they were all on floaters.

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Speaker 1: He was over three from three and so they're gonna

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Speaker 1: give up that floater and not give up threes. Second quarter,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Te came in the game, he went under the

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Speaker 1: screen twice and Trey Young hit two threes and that

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Speaker 1: really got him going. That was a huge mistake. Now

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Speaker 1: it's not going to really show up in a box room,

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Speaker 1: but in the NBA playoffs, when you have when you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to do something and you don't do it one time,

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Speaker 1: your coach is gonna be mad. The second time, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna sit. You're not going to return the game if

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Speaker 1: you're Jeff Te And that's exactly what happened. He didn't

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Speaker 1: come back in the game in the second half. So

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Speaker 1: the play is it's unbelievably hard to stop. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what other play in the NBA playoffs is better than

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Speaker 1: that throughout these three rounds, other than Jay Crowder to

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton throwing it into the rim from out of bounds,

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Speaker 1: there's no better play than what's going on. So they

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Speaker 1: tried to switch it. In the second half. They went

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Speaker 1: small the Bucks did, and what happened offensive rebounds John

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Speaker 1: Collins and Capella crushed him on the glass because they

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Speaker 1: went small. So to me, they trapped as well at times,

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Speaker 1: and I think that was the best thing that they did.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they did that enough. That's what I

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Speaker 1: would do. I gotta get the ball out of this

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Speaker 1: guy's hands and make somebody else shoot the ball to

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Speaker 1: beat me. But you played against John Stockton. You knew

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Speaker 1: John was a pass first point guard. This is these

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Speaker 1: point guards now, these guards now like they're they're not looking,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dane Lillard staff when when they come off

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Speaker 1: the pick they want to shoot it. Um Ben Ben

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Speaker 1: Simmons Um wanting to shoot I'm joking, Oh okay, cerrely Um,

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Speaker 1: you're right. But trade Trade does a good job. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna read that big. If that big retreats, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and shoot the floater. And if the

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Speaker 1: big comes up, he does a great job of wrap

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Speaker 1: around passes to the big or the law pass to

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Speaker 1: Collins or Capella. I mean, he is as smart as

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Speaker 1: they come. Coming off that high screening role. He uses

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Speaker 1: a burst of speed to make that big make a

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Speaker 1: commitment and uh, I mean he's torturing people with this play.

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Speaker 1: And last night certainly wasn't any different. A couple of

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Speaker 1: my guys earlier this morning, we were looking at the

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Speaker 1: shimmy by Trey Young, and a couple of my guys said,

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Speaker 1: he was just resetting, like he had time to reset,

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Speaker 1: and I go, no, no, no, no. He's saying, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: one out here, I'm gonna give you a little of

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Speaker 1: this and then I'm gonna stick a stick a jumper

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Speaker 1: right in your mug. You think that he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of having a little bit of fun Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: moment for Trey Young last night. Man, You know, he

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Speaker 1: created so much space it was unbelievable. I mean, Drew

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Speaker 1: Holliday got turned around. You remember Scott Brooks back in

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Speaker 1: the day when he was with the Knicks, and he

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Speaker 1: got turned around by Alan Iverson. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: one of the funniest things I've ever seen, Like he

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Speaker 1: created about twelve feet of space, and I think he

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Speaker 1: was more surprised that he was that open. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it was John Collins that was close to

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Speaker 1: him and nobody, no one even made a run at him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so he was just kind of like and

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Speaker 1: as shooters, no, that typically is a harder shot, right

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Speaker 1: when you have all the time in the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and no one's coming at you. Because he never gets

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Speaker 1: that and he's still knocked it in. I think people

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Speaker 1: have a hard I think people look at Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: is more polarizing because he did the shimmy in the

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Speaker 1: mouthpiece and the whole thing like that. I said, Trey

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Speaker 1: Young's got to win more to become polarized. I think

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Speaker 1: there's still a fascination somebody that size is able to

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Speaker 1: do what he's doing. Would you say that's a fair

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Speaker 1: assessment of Trey Yeah, I think yeah. It was funny.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I'm sitting at the men's grill and

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Speaker 1: we're talking Luca Dons Trey Young, and two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: I just said, it's not even close who I'd rather have.

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Speaker 1: Now the guy is delivering, and you can say what

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Speaker 1: you want about both players, and this guy is, I

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Speaker 1: mean the playof what are he's doing in the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: He's unbelievable. Okay, who would you rather build around? If

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Speaker 1: I give you a Trey, I give you Luca. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm still leaning Luca. Okay. But as these playoffs

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Speaker 1: continue to go on, this guy's making a case. What

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why don't any of these teams go

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Speaker 1: at him defensively? Did you see you last night? He

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Speaker 1: had one possession where he got to Yannis, got switched

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Speaker 1: on Yannis. He looked around like, why am I guarding somebody?

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Speaker 1: Where the hell is my team? Come over here and

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Speaker 1: get him off, Get me off of him. And that's

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Speaker 1: what Atlanta does a great job of. Whenever he gets

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Speaker 1: into situation where he's got to really guard somebody, they

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Speaker 1: come out and bail him out. But I can go

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Speaker 1: at him, obviously you can't do a PJ. Tucker, But

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Speaker 1: put him in some picking rolls and see if you

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Speaker 1: of them. I don't like the Greek freak bringing the

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Speaker 1: ball at the court? Am I nitpicking here? John? I

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Speaker 1: hated when we've seen it? What year or after year

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Speaker 1: or him at the top of the key at some

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Speaker 1: point with a defense built to stop him from getting

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Speaker 1: to the paint and guys that can't make shots. The

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Speaker 1: three point shooting from Milwaukee, they were thirty one percent

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Speaker 1: coming into the night in the playoffs, or last night

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Speaker 1: they shot twenty two percent last night, eight for thirty six.

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Speaker 1: I mean Middleton goes oh for nine. I like when

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Speaker 1: he's on the mid or on the baseline fifteen feet out,

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Speaker 1: very difficult to double team there. He went line a

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Speaker 1: couple of times where it looked like he was going

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Speaker 1: out of bounds and reached over and dumped the ball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the good that's a good spot for you,

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Speaker 1: honest to be, I don't like the top either. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to John Barry, the ESPN Radio NBA analyst. He

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Speaker 1: was on the call game one last night the Eastern

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Speaker 1: Conference Finals in the ESPN Radio Hawks and the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul is probable for tonight's game. Wouldn't he either

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Speaker 1: be cleared or not cleared to play? Like? It sounds

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Speaker 1: a little gray that he's probable for tonight's game. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Phoenix is putting that out there just to

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Speaker 1: leave some doubt. I mean, that's what all these coaches

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Speaker 1: do is we're not gonna give you anything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we do our zoom calls in the morning. And I asked, well,

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Speaker 1: what's the matchup here? Who's gonna get Well, I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you, Like, who do you think? What am I

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Speaker 1: gonna do? I'm not going out there to guard him.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about it. So, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think he's either in or out. They know right now

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Speaker 1: whether he's in or out right. Yeah, I would assume

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Speaker 1: that he'd be thinking from the NBA that he's being

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Speaker 1: told when he's allowed to play, so they know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why the NBA doesn't say this is the

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Speaker 1: day that Chris Paul becomes available, because there is a day.

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Speaker 1: And also watching that inbounds pass, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Clippers defensive strategy there, Boogie Cousins, I think is

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Speaker 1: playing for a pick and pop for Devin Booker and

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Speaker 1: he's not even thinking about an alley oop. And even

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Speaker 1: when he's there, he can't jump anymore, and so he

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Speaker 1: just got his arms up. And I mean it was

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Speaker 1: a great call by Monny Williams. I just questioned what

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Speaker 1: the Clippers were looking at John or expecting. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I actually sat. I was here in

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee and I was at an Italian restaurant with the

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Speaker 1: three fils that did the game last night. So they

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Speaker 1: hand the ball the crowder and I see where Zoobots

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Speaker 1: do you think DeAndre Adan's going? He's going to the rim,

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Speaker 1: So he should have been just standing right at the rim.

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Speaker 1: Anything that gets thrown there, jump as highs you can

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Speaker 1: and knock it away. He's standing there, so he allows

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Speaker 1: himself to get backscreened by Booker, and then but toom

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Speaker 1: is guarding Booker, he doesn't step over and stop Aiden's

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Speaker 1: least has to do that. And then if Bookers, look,

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Speaker 1: if he does a Derek Fisher and catches it and

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Speaker 1: throws it in from you know, the free throw line,

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Speaker 1: you got to live with that. That's the hell of

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Speaker 1: a lot harder than letting DeAndre Age just go up

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Speaker 1: there and touch a ball and knock it in. But

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Speaker 1: that was very poortant. Clearly the Clippers had no idea

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Speaker 1: that you can throw the ball up in the rim

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Speaker 1: and there's no offensive bolten ink because ten of them

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Speaker 1: went like waving their middle finger like, oh, that's goaltending, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: no it's not. You just lost and you probably lost

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Speaker 1: the series on that play alone. But we've seen losses

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Speaker 1: like this. Where do you think it's more devastating when

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Speaker 1: you lose like that or if you get blown out

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Speaker 1: by a thirty five points to try to rebound if

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Speaker 1: you're the Clippers, I think I don't know, that's tough. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I'd rather lose like that. At least I

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Speaker 1: had a shot to win the game and said I

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Speaker 1: got my butt kicked, right, I mean, they should have

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Speaker 1: won the game. Paul George ministers throws. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: a mid eighty percent free throw shooter. There's if he

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Speaker 1: makes them both, they more than lanky win the game.

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Speaker 1: So I'd rather say that, well, hey, guys, we did

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Speaker 1: enough to win this game. You know you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: tell your team well because Paul missed two free throws,

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Speaker 1: but they did enough to win. And what the problem

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Speaker 1: is is, I you say, if Chris Paul comes back,

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Speaker 1: this is a far better Phoenix Suns team now with

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Speaker 1: him and Kawhi Leonard doesn't seem to be coming through

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Speaker 1: that door. Now, you played for both Milwaukee and Atlanta, right,

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Speaker 1: it did? Yeah? Ninety came up to me last night

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Speaker 1: and said that they did. It's like, really, you guys

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Speaker 1: lost to the Bulls, didn't you? We did? We beat

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Speaker 1: him in game one and celebrate like championship and uh,

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Speaker 1: Jordan saw us in the hut in the tunnel from

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Speaker 1: that way, he goes, Okay, that'll be that four straight

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Budd, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: on Pete Cock Chris, good morning, how are you. I'm

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Speaker 1: How's everything going. Have you ever had a serious argument

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Speaker 1: that I would say, I don't know, probably less than Rogers,

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Speaker 1: who I don't think has the greatest weapons either. It's close.

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Speaker 1: It's Rogers has better weapons than Josh. I think I

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Speaker 1: think so too some people. It goes the other way,

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Speaker 1: but I'm with you. I think Rogers actually has the edge.

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Speaker 1: I would probably take Diggs over Davante. Adams's close, but

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Speaker 1: after that it's close, right, Rogers has a better offensive line,

429
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Speaker 1: he's got a better running back, exactly, right, exactly. But

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people, you the haters of

431
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you can't tell them that he got Stefan Diggs.

432
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Speaker 1: That's all people talk about, like he's just supposed to

433
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Speaker 1: like rip up the world just because he got him.

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Speaker 1: You know, the plays he made, you know, off schedule,

435
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Speaker 1: getting out of the pocket, their eye popping. They rival

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Speaker 1: Mahomes as far as being able to make something happen

437
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Speaker 1: when nothing's there. And here's another aspect too. You know,

438
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: he's gotten forty two touchdowns, no interceptions in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: He takes care of the ball. I would say, other

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Speaker 1: than Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray, he's the third best

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Speaker 1: running quarterback in football. He's a real threat, you know,

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Speaker 1: as far as truly a quarterback design run down in

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Speaker 1: the red zone area for a touchdown and then scrambling.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the second best scrambler in the sport.

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Speaker 1: When I say scrambler, I mean buying time in the

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Speaker 1: pocket or outside the pocket. Mahomes is one, of course,

447
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: but Alan is two, and I think he's just starting

448
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: the prime of his career. So that's that's why I

449
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: made him too, Dan. It was tough. You know, I

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Speaker 1: love Aaron Rodgers. If Mahomes doesn't win that super Bowl,

451
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Speaker 1: and he didn't have a good super Bowl, but let's

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Speaker 1: say he doesn't win that game against the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: he loses the super Bowl against the Buccaneers. Is Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes number one on your list? Yeah? He still is? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is it's it's still you know, and I recognize that

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Speaker 1: he's got talent around fund him in all those type

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Speaker 1: of things, but this is still, I mean, which is

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Speaker 1: the most The weakness can maybe be at times being

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Speaker 1: maybe a hair greedy right, maybe not quite you know,

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Speaker 1: get it, he's might he's not at that level of

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00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: like Brady or Rogers or Breeze and dissecting a defense

462
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: mentally quite yet or always doing the right thing, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: but he's got such great physical talent and ability that

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Speaker 1: you know, we won't recognize sometimes when he might make

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Speaker 1: that mistake because he'll cover it up with his ability.

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Speaker 1: But like these the he's next level and like also

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Speaker 1: I mean extremely smart. I don't want to take that

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Speaker 1: away from either one of these guys, but here's like

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Speaker 1: a great example of to me, why like guys like

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and Alan have gone next level Rogers Brady. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's say whoever, Russell, Wilson, whatever, Okay, there's a blitz

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Speaker 1: this way. I gotta throw the hot rout. Boom, throw

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Speaker 1: the hot rout. Five yard completion. Awesome. Mahomes and Allen

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Speaker 1: will have the same thing. Realize where their hot route

475
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Speaker 1: is and go, h, I think I could get something better,

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Speaker 1: and they'll let the guy get a little closer and

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Speaker 1: they'll make them miss. And now they buy themselves time

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Speaker 1: and get outside the pocket and instead of throwing that

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Speaker 1: hot route for a five yard completion, they get a

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Speaker 1: forty yard completion out of it, and they go, do

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Speaker 1: you want to blitz me again? You want to? You

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Speaker 1: want to try that one more time because I like that.

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00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's where they're so dangerous. You know, they're

484
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Speaker 1: a little different. That way is where they don't play

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Speaker 1: the position textbook, but they have enough textbook. And then

486
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Speaker 1: this backyard ability that's just insane in the membrane. What

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Speaker 1: do you who do you think Tom Brady was referring

488
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Speaker 1: to when he was shopping his talents and yeah, you

489
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna stay with that mfera, all right, who

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Speaker 1: do you I maintain it that it was Mitchell Trubisky because,

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Speaker 1: as I first reported, nobody knew the Bears were involved

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Speaker 1: in this. It was yeah, Chargers, Buccaneers, and then the Bears.

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Speaker 1: I know, the Colts, he was interested in them, he

494
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Speaker 1: was interested in Tennessee. The Poats didn't have a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: The Titans Tannehill had played well, the Chargers didn't have

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback at the time. Feels like, you know,

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Speaker 1: are the Bears gonna stick with Mitchell Trubisky? And they

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Speaker 1: stuck with Mitchell Trubisky? Who do you think? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that's what I love about Brady. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 1: love that fire about him and like he's like, are

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Speaker 1: you crazy that mffort, you're gonna I mean, that's really

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Speaker 1: the way he is, and that's why he's awesome. I

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Speaker 1: mean from like, from from the standpoint of, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: guy you would call you're gonna stick it through that mffort,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. It makes sense for to be Chicago.

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Speaker 1: My only thing is, did Brady ever get to the

507
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Speaker 1: serious point or conversation with that team to where he

508
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Speaker 1: was actually like really wanted to go there. You know.

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Speaker 1: That's where I just don't know. That's the only part

510
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Speaker 1: where it makes sense for that quote to beat Rubisky.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense for me for Brady for whatever,

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Speaker 1: wanted to go to Chicago and be a part of

513
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: an offense that we have a lot of question marks

514
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Speaker 1: about and weapons and lack of offensive line and all

515
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: those things. So it's either Trubisky or I don't think

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Speaker 1: he had that many choices, Chris. I don't know either

517
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: unless he just goes back to Jimmy Garoppolo and goes, Okay,

518
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go with that m effort, that guy who

519
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: missed all those throws in the super Bowl and that's

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00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: why you didn't win the game. But I have a

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00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: hard time believe in that too. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know the quarterback itself. I'm with you. It lends me

523
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Speaker 1: to think of it Trubisky the quarterback on the hunt.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's a really good question. So let's say

525
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Speaker 1: you got Kirk d Cousins to Jared Golf, I guess Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Golf and Tuah are on a

527
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Speaker 1: real hot seat. Just to throw that out there. I

528
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Speaker 1: think Detroit flirted with the idea of drafting a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the top ten. Anyways, to a you know, the

530
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Speaker 1: rumors are real down there. I'm whatever I'm reporting. If

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson becomes available, They're gonna make a play for

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. They are. So I do think it's a

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Speaker 1: big year and if twas shows to be. This isn't

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Speaker 1: an opinion you're reporting that the Dolphins, if when Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson is clear to play, we'll make a play to

536
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: trade for him. Yeah, definitely. I know from enough people

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Speaker 1: in the know and everything that that conversation and all

538
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: those things we heard about two months ago through it

539
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: was very real, very real, sou and you know again,

540
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Speaker 1: so I look at two it in golf. I think

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Speaker 1: to be one of those two guys. Another guy I'll

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00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: throw out there that you know, you just you didn't

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00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: say that. I think semi on the hot seat is

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00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and the Giants, right, you know, they've they've

545
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: got enough talent on the offensive side of the ball

546
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: now to where there's no excuses. He's played enough football

547
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: to where we gotta start like wiping away some of

548
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: these mistakes he makes and everything like that. I don't

549
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: think there's any you can't make up an excuse for

550
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: him after the twenty twenty season this year, or the

551
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season this year. There's enough there. We

552
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: need to see progress. You're not a rookie young guy anymore.

553
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: That's another guy that jumps in my mind. And the

554
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers situation continues to linger me back. He'll be back,

555
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: He's coming. I just you know, I know, we talked

556
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: about this a little last week. He's too self aware,

557
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: he's too playing at too high of a level. But

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00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: what is he accomplished here, Chris Well, I think what

559
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: he accomplishes here is, first off, you don't throw away

560
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Speaker 1: you know, a year that's he's got. He's at the

561
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Speaker 1: end of his prime. You just don't throw away that

562
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: year for nothing, you know, I don't. I just I

563
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: can't imagine him doing that. And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say that that I think jumps out to

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Speaker 1: me a little bit. And maybe Aaron Rodgers thinks about this.

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Speaker 1: You know that he's not going to catch Brady in

567
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: the super Bowl conversation, right or any of that. Stats

568
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: though he can continue to still make a mark and

569
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Speaker 1: really continue to lift his legacy through stats. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a guy that's got what ninety nine touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: and ten interceptions the last three years. You know, he's

572
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Speaker 1: throwing at four thousand yards for a clip here. He

573
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: can make some serious headway this year, even if he

574
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Speaker 1: plays passing up people and touchdowns and you know, total

575
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: yards and all those things. I would think he's aware

576
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a big part of his legacy because

577
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: the stats are as impressive as anybody, especially if he

578
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: continues to go. He's done better in a short period

579
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: of time than just about anybody in the history to sport.

580
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: He does have that to gain to go along with it.

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Speaker 1: I got your forty yard dash at the combine? Where

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00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: did this come from? Well, we were we started out

583
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: talking about the combine, but you know deep dive here.

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Speaker 1: You remember your forty yard dash time? I believe I

585
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: was four eight two? Was that a four eight six? No?

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Speaker 1: That was that four A Where sight are you on

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00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: right now? Outside of you on Paul nfl Combine dot Com.

588
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I've never hurt four eight six.

589
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: I was always I always was four eight two four

590
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: eight zero. Yeah, that's what That's what I was told you.

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Speaker 1: Your hand size ten and a half, that's the biggest

592
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: in your draft class. Congratulations, Yeah it was. I can

593
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: grip that football, There's no doubt about that. Oh yes,

594
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: you can't. Your vertical is thirty one. Not bad, not bad, Yeah,

595
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, not for for a white you know, drop

596
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: back pocket quarterback was all right that forty time. Though. Listen,

597
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I was ever more nervous in

598
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: my life than running the forty at the combine. In

599
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: all seriousness, Yeah, it's uncomfortable. I'm a quarterback. I'm not

600
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: a sprinter. I remember getting up to the line and

601
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels were in the front row right,

602
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and I was going, I was nervous as hell. And

603
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I can still remember running down the track going, I'm

604
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: running the forty of the combine. I'm running forty of

605
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the combon. It was like surreal. I was saying that

606
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: to myself. I couldn't believe it. It was just unbelievable.

607
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: And I'm running age I'm running a four age six.

608
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm running a four age six. But I think I'm

609
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Speaker 1: running at four eight two. I think I'm running a

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Speaker 1: four eight two, Yes, exactly, yeah, pertend, I'm running four

611
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Speaker 1: four two to get four eight six. Could somebody run

612
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: back and beat you? No, nobody can think so. Like

613
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: if I don't, could Michael Vick run backwards and beat you?

614
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: I know I thought of like Dion and Tyree Kill

615
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and that group right there. I don't think so. If

616
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: they can run four eight backwards, then maybe I would

617
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: beat them in another class of athletes. But do they

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Speaker 1: do them with defenship backs, Chris, because I want to

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Speaker 1: know a defenship back, what your speed is backing up, backpedaling,

620
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: not running forward, running backwards. I don't know if they

621
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Speaker 1: have a time for that, but I would I would

622
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: certainly investigate that if I was a team drafting a

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Speaker 1: defenship back. Well, yeah, you got to see how smooth

624
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: and how good they are, especially at back pedaling turn

625
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: and then get getting out of that transition. Exactly right.

626
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: That's the big thing, Paulie. Do you have quarterbacks in

627
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: the draft with Sims faster than any of the other quarterbacks? Oh? Yeah,

628
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: he was faster than Rex Grossman. Shocker. Oh, I was

629
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Speaker 1: faster than Byron Left Wood right, I'm faster than Byron

630
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: left wing. You're just fast and Byron leffing you smoke

631
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Speaker 1: Tony Romo. Tony Romo was the slowest quarterback in that draft.

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Speaker 1: Five second forty Well, I'm still challenging that four eight

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Speaker 1: six two. It is a four eight two. I've never

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Speaker 1: heard four eight six all right, but it was decent. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have an update you ran Did you run it twice?

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Speaker 1: Chris Well? I ran it twice at the combo. I

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Speaker 1: got you up with four eight six and four eight

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Speaker 1: four from the official We're getting there. You guys, keep

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Speaker 1: fishing the internet. You maybe can take another two ten

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. That's Chris King, long time

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Speaker 1: play by playboys for the Islanders Radio Network, and Chris

657
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: joins us love the enthusiasm. Chris, what do you hear

658
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Speaker 1: when you hear yourself that night? Last night? Dan? Not

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Speaker 1: much of anything, And that's the challenge for me. I

660
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Speaker 1: think in those situations, I realize, you know, we have

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Speaker 1: the oldest and loudest building in the National Hockey League,

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00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: and as you heard there, if I don't get that

663
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: call out, they're gonna crush me. And they did so

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Speaker 1: I did my best to get it out, but I

665
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: realized I got to try to take it to a

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00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: level above them, and unfortunately, I guess for me, when

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Speaker 1: I try to go to that level, my voice cracks

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Speaker 1: and it's not something I can control. It just kind

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Speaker 1: of happens. But I think night was the most I've

670
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Speaker 1: ever been buried by a crowd in twenty seven years

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Speaker 1: of doing Islander's Radio. Now at the coliseum, Now, what

672
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: do you mean buried by as far as the noise, Yeah,

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00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: just a noise level. It's up was that loud. And

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00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: normally I can get the call out and you can

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Speaker 1: hear the call, but I think I get the word

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00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: goal out, and then kind of everything after that is

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Speaker 1: just in the wash of the euphoria of the crowd,

678
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: and you can just hear the stomping going on all

679
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: around me in every direction, and it really does drown

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00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: me out to an extent that really hadn't happened before.

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Speaker 1: Where is the crowd in proximity to where you're broadcasting from? Yeah,

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00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: right now we're back in the traditional press box. In

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Speaker 1: the regular season, we were kind of down on the concourse,

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00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: so's it's mostly directly below me and kind of all

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Speaker 1: around me except for the above position. But again in

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00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: the coliseum, the ceiling is so low because it's nearly

687
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Speaker 1: a fifty year old building, so there's just no place

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Speaker 1: for the sound to go, So it immediately bounces off

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Speaker 1: the roof and comes right back into our booth in

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Speaker 1: the press box, and I didn't know if they were

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Speaker 1: banging on any part of the broadcast facility, you know,

692
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Speaker 1: where you it felt like they were right next to you.

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Speaker 1: It did feel that way. And that banging part, when

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Speaker 1: I listened to it back, that's something I've never heard

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Speaker 1: before either, So I'm just assuming it's stomping going on

696
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Speaker 1: in general. But you know, this is a passionate Islander

697
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: crowd that's always been that way, and I think Dan

698
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: it's just gone to another level because of the nostalgia

699
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Speaker 1: of it. You know, this is their final season at

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Speaker 1: NASO Veterans Memorial Coliseum, the place they've called home essentially

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Speaker 1: for nearly fifty years now, and every time they win

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Speaker 1: a game, it at least gives you the possibility that

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Speaker 1: there will be future games still to come in that building,

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Speaker 1: and that was the case last night. Now you say

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Speaker 1: they not we Yeah, I mean, I guess I kind

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Speaker 1: of go back and forth, but I try to stay

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Speaker 1: away from that wee thing. I am an employee of

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Speaker 1: the New York Islanders. I have followed the team since

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Speaker 1: day one. I was eleven years old when they arrived

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Speaker 1: on Long Island here in nineteen seventy two. But I

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Speaker 1: try to stay to the Bay as opposed to the Wii. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but you know that if you don't win Game seven,

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Speaker 1: that that was the last game. Yeah, you know it's

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Speaker 1: the last playoff game. And again this is the little

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Speaker 1: cobby out of the whole thing. Dan is that their

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Speaker 1: new building, Ubas Arena at Belmont Park is scheduled to

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Speaker 1: open in November. So the NHL is planning on starting

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Speaker 1: next season maybe mid October. So if that building opens

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Speaker 1: in early November, I think it'll be the end for

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Speaker 1: the Coliseum if they don't win Game seven tomorrow night

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Speaker 1: in Tampa. But if that building won't open till the

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Speaker 1: end of November, will the owners be willing to play,

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Speaker 1: you know, up to six weeks on the road just

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Speaker 1: to make sure that the first home games in the

725
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: new arenas. So again, we've kind of gone down this

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Speaker 1: past before with the Coliseum, where they thought they had

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Speaker 1: clothed tight in twenty twenty fifteen, only to come back

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Speaker 1: in So I do still give the possibility that there

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00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: could be some early regular season games there next season

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Speaker 1: if the new building isn't done in time to open up.

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Speaker 1: My first professional hockey game that I saw now, I

732
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: saw the Cincinnati Stingers play right. But I was there

733
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: when Ken Morrow's goal at the Garden. So that's my

734
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: first professional hockey game. And I'm with an Islanders fan.

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00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: I was working at CNN and we're behind the glass

736
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm just gonna let you know, not

737
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: all hockey games are like this, And that was like

738
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Speaker 1: watching Billy Smith like just slash people like he was

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Speaker 1: just don't even think about coming in here. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be And so much talent was on the

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Speaker 1: ice then. And I remember covering the Islanders are the

742
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: most professional team I ever covered, with Flatley and Lafontaine,

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00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: Bossy Trotier and you know Al Arbor. They they were

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: great people to a young reporter, and I never forgot

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Speaker 1: that that, you know, the Islanders knew they were being

746
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: passed by, you know, Gretzky's Edmonton Oilers. But what a

747
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: classy group of people there. I can't say the same

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Speaker 1: about the Nassau Colisseum Chris because it hasn't I don't

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Speaker 1: think it was nice back when it was new. It

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00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: has a certain charm dan going to the barn, and

751
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: as long as it's your barn, that's all that happened.

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00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, it is the loudest building in the league.

753
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: That the fans have taken it to a different level

754
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Speaker 1: in this year's playoffs. It's not just cheering, it's stomping,

755
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: it's serenading its songs, it's chance, it's you know, Barry

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00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Trotts has his name cheered by thirteen thousand people NonStop

757
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: when he takes the ice every night. What head coach,

758
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: here's Barry, Barry Barry on his way to the bench.

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00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: Things like that. And there's a song for Josh Bailey

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00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: that they sing every single night. So they do things

761
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: that are unique, not only in the NHL, but in

762
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: almost all sports. And you know, it's kind of going

763
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: out the way it needs to with this incredible run

764
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: that they hope continues for a couple more games in

765
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: the Cup final. He's Chris King, the long time play

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Speaker 1: by play voice for the Islanders radio network. You get

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00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: recognized for your voice, Yes, I do. I think that's

768
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: more so than my face, obviously, with most of my

769
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Speaker 1: career being particularly in radio. So that's the thing that

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Speaker 1: most people, you know, mentioned to me. And I've had

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: a lot of instances where maybe I'm standing in line

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Speaker 1: somewhere to Delhi waiting to make my order or something,

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Speaker 1: and people are looking at me and don't say anything,

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Speaker 1: and then when I place my order, everybody goes, oh,

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00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: you're kinger. So it is the voice a lot more

776
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: than for a long time radio man. Yeah, but I

777
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: think it's kind of tacky that you'll go, I'll take

778
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Speaker 1: a pastrami on white bread, which, well, I do get

779
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: that a lot. It's pretty funny, like they want me

780
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: to do the order in that voice and obviously pop

781
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: that way around the clock. But you know, if the

782
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Speaker 1: deli man asked for the order to be in classic

783
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: Chris King fashion, we can go there. Could you recreate

784
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: that call last night? Oh yeah, you know? And again

785
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting then because I listen back to it, I

786
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: can't hear too much of it. So I mean I

787
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: could try to recreate it for you so that the

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00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: folks could actually hear it. But if you want me

789
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: to go there, I would give it a shot. All right,

790
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: here we go. We let's play the original just to

791
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: let people know. Yeah, let me hear it too, because

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00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: I can't hear much of it. Yeah, you don't even

793
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: know what you said? Probably okay, So here it is.

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Speaker 1: Here's the call last night between the Islanders and their

795
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: their Game six win. Lady risks it him around the

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00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: wall in the tampa and far side and the ear

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00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: Lightney reverse it here side to far but give it away.

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00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: Dailey couldn't hold this old turn on ring take. Chris, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you'll pull a groin. I

800
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: like I you still have to give us game seven here.

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00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: So you went, You went from four to eleven, You

802
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: blew bass ten, you went right to eleven there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did it. And you know what I call it, Dan,

804
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this. I call it the Peter Peter Brady syndrome.

805
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: Of course. You know one of the most famous Brady

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Speaker 1: Bunch episodes is when Peter has to sing and you

807
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: know it's time to change and the voice kind of

808
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: takes off there. So that's my Peter Brady moment. But yeah,

809
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: it happened pretty quickly there. But again, kudos to the

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00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: coliseum fans for very most of that in the wash

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Speaker 1: set the scene for game seven. Wow, you know, it

812
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: just been an incredible series, Dan. Obviously, there've been a

813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: couple of two one games, there's been an eight nothing

814
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: loss for the Islanders down in Tampa in Game five.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I gotta think a little bit

816
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: of the momentum is on the side of the Islanders

817
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: right now. Is Tampa blow a two nothing lead in

818
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: that Game six. We don't know the status of Nikita Kuchirov,

819
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, one of their best players, who played only

820
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: one shift last night before leaving the game. So if

821
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: they don't have him, that's a big problem. And the

822
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Speaker 1: Barry Trots factor is something that really has to be considered.

823
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Back in twenty eighteen, Barry's Capitals were down three two

824
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: to the Lightning, much like the Islanders were in this series.

825
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Speaker 1: They won Game six at home, they went to Tampa

826
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Speaker 1: and they won Game seven four to nothing, and then

827
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: went on to win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history.

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00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: So Barry certainly knows about going into Amali Arena and

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00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: winning a big Game seven and then taking it to

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00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: the next step in the following series. So, you know,

831
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Speaker 1: I think the Islanders are confident if you look at

832
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: what they've done dan on the road in these playoffs.

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00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: They won two out of three in Pittsburgh, they won

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Speaker 1: two out of three in Boston. They took game one

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Speaker 1: down in Tampa, so they're not afraid of the road

836
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Speaker 1: in Roment at all. But the Lightning will also have

837
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: to say, hey, look they haven't The Lightning lost back

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00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: to back games in any point of the playoffs last

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00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: year or this year, so that's going to be their

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00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: biggest confidence boosters. Nobody has knocked them off in back

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00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: to back games in two years now in the Stanley

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Speaker 1: Cup playoffs. Rest to your voice, Chris, I will Dan,

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Speaker 1: I will, thank you, thank you Budden, thanks for having me.