1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Ah, this is Leslie Frasier and this is the NFL 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: Player's second Acts podcast. 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in on Peanut too, man and. 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: With me as always, the Deacon. 5 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Broman Harper, Thank you, thank you man that I'm doing 6 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: good man, How are you doing today? I'm sure I 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: love the energy that you're bringing today. 8 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of energy. I'm actually confused. 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: I won't say our guest name yet, but he always 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: calls me some kind of random name, and so now 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: that he's just being normal, I appreciate it. So thank 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: you for being normal out here in the LA Studios, 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: the NFL Studios. 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: This is a beautiful place. There is this. Whoever built 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: this was on top of it. 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I've actually think that they have spent over a million 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: dollars in chairs alone in this building. 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: Chairs are nice. 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: My back feels good. Laura Lombards there it is all right. 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: So all right, before we get all we dive into it. 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 3: Here we go. 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: So let's tell all of our listeners and the people 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: that follow us on the podcast continue to do that. Also, 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: tell a friend to tell a friend to tell a friend. 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: Give us a rating of review five stars, that is, 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: and wherever you pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: Podcast or iHeartRadio app wherever you do tune in, please 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: continue to do that and bring somebody else with you. 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: Peanut. Who's our guest today? All right? 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 4: Today's guest was drafted in the second round by the 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills and the ninety four draft. Played five seasons 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: for five different teams as a dB, the best position 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: on the field and returner. After playing at the NFL, 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 4: he was a scout for a number of teams and. 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Now he has. 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: An seeing amount of jobs. And we'll get into that, 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: but I want, I want to install introduce y'all to 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks. Welcome to the show, My guys, going life comes, 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: life comes full circle because I just remember in meeting 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: rooms having to do reports and talk about you guys 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: as a cross checker when you guys were in your 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: respective schools and coming out and trying to. 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 3: Make your way into the league. And there here I am. 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: You guys became great NFL players and then we're kind 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: of sharing sharing a Mike. 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Sorry what I wanted? Oh go ahead, you want? Can 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: I know what my scoundrel? Because I wanted was I was? 48 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: I read a green dot. I want to know who 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: that I want to know. 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: So unfortunately, like for both of you guys, you weren't 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: in my area when you came out. 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: Your draft year. 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: What year was, I'm three, so three, So I was 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: still working with the Carolina Now I was working with 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks. And the guy who was in your area, 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: John Peterson, Boy, he loves some peanut man, Oh my god. 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: All he talked about was this daddy, you play please 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: all these other things. 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: And so oh your year, Roaman was winning two thousand 60 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: and five. 61 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 5: Six. 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got drafted in six. Okay, so we 63 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: had we were in Alabama, so we had. 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: Mutual friends because you were with like Bill Johnson, Pat Dick. 65 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: Bill Johnson is like one of my closest friends. Oh yeah, 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: so I knew, like even before scouting you, I knew 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: who you were because Bill and I go way way 68 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: way back to singing Jacksonville or whatever, and so like, 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: it's funny because both of you guys have similar traits 70 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: in terms of it was always high iq known for 71 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: the game. Behind the scenes, the study habits were good. 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: It was all about like the preparation process or whatever, 73 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: and so you had prototypical size for the corner because 74 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: at the time, any corner that was over five ten 75 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: and a half was considered a big corner. Back then 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: in the league, everyone talked about that. 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 5: At safety. 78 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: It was about the game was changing, where we were 79 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: losing some of the distinction between free and strong. 80 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: And could you do both? And could you win a 81 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 5: quarter system? Play down? But could you also play high? 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: And so having all those things, and then because of 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: my experience going from me in a wide receiver to 84 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: a dB, I always pay close attention to DB's and 85 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: like you find yourself when you're scouting, you're not supposed 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: to look at all the techniques and tools be like, okay, 87 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: could I play. 88 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 5: With these guys? 89 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 3: Right? 90 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: Because that always to me is the last question. Could 91 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: I line up in the whodle? What I want those 92 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: guys to be in the hardle with me? And so 93 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: I remember both of you guys very very well about. 94 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: Look at that. 95 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Well, here I got a personal question. Is because you 96 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna call you Bucky, Yeah, that's it. But 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: how many people do actually allow to call. 98 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: You a real government name? 99 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 5: Though? 100 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh no one, nobody, nobody, Like I know, you don't 101 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: know me if you call me by my government name. 102 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: I know you don't know, and like people gonna be 103 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: up here, Like, I'll tell it. My real name is 104 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: William Eldridge Brooks Junior. So but you guys know I'm 105 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: from the South. Yeah, so when you're South, everyone has 106 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: a nickname because my cousins in them William Eldridge with 107 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: different last names and so everybody had an nickname. So 108 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: I got cousins and all that or whatever. My dad 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: is never going by his real name. He goes by Blake. 110 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: I go by that. My son name is Trey because 111 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: he's the third. But that's that's what that's that's what 112 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: it is. 113 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm marrid with it. Hey, I'm lead up. 114 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: My older brother, his name is Doug. I'm from my 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: dad looked Donald. I'm her name tiny. Like we just 116 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: come from a house of nicknames. So hey, I'll tell 117 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: you on that. 118 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: Like I get it. 119 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: I gets it. 120 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: Hey, I get the whole government thing. Man. So, uh, 121 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: what I really want to know is you are a 122 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: very busy man. 123 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is you you have 124 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 4: a couple of podcasts. You are analysts for NFL Network, 125 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 4: You host Move the Sticks podcast, you do some stuff 126 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: for Fox how many jobs do you Oh, I even 127 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: believe you're a coach. 128 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so. 129 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 5: Oh we don't turn down anything. 130 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's it. Though it's paying. 131 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm playing explain, explain to explain to the viewers how 132 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: many jobs you have? 133 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: Like it it varies. 134 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: So the main hub is like obviously NFL Media is 135 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: the main gig Radio on Fox. I contributed to some 136 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: other platforms as a writer in those things, but like 137 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: that's kind of the way of the new world. Like 138 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: when I originally entered the media world Got two thousand 139 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: and seven, it was about trying to find one spot 140 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: and you did it. But now you've seen it, like 141 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: you have to be able to do more to kind 142 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: of kind of piece it together. And exclusivity is kind 143 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: of a thing of the past when it comes to 144 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: being able. So now you want to be able to 145 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: contribute and do a bunch of different things and look 146 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: as a vast as yours imagination is, that's where your 147 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: opportunities can be. And so for me, because I wasn't 148 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: a decorated player, I knew I had to have something 149 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: that would create opportunities for me. So one as a 150 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: scale but two as a writer, like taking the writing 151 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: path to kind of get into the media world provided 152 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: more opportunities. And so I always say the writing is 153 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: the foundation the TV and the podcast and radio. If 154 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: you can write, you can do those other things because 155 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: it all is kind of interwoven. 156 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: Were you always a really good writer or did you 157 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: always just read a lot? 158 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 5: Like you imagine? 159 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like imagine when we go to college, right, 160 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, when you go to college and like they 161 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: take they give you like the exams in the middle 162 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: of training camp, right like where they at North Carolina, 163 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: they did the placement exams in the middle of two 164 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: a days, so like, hey, this is your English, this 165 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: is your dad. So I was in like bad English 166 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: because I was like just trying to get through the 167 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: beginner English. Yes, and so it was it was funny 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: that I came to write, because it wasn't something that 169 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: I would say I really focused on coming up. But 170 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: then what happens is I had a great appreciation for 171 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: people who can express with the power of the pen. 172 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: And then because one of the most vulnerable things you do, 173 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: like all of us, like as players, we kind of 174 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: have these journals that we keep, right, So imagine if 175 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: I grabbed your journal from the middle of your new 176 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: or in the same states, when you may be like 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: struggling in camp and you're like, I don't know what 178 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: is going So to me, it's like the most personal, 179 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: intimate thing that you can share is letting someone kind 180 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: of see your words on the page. And so I 181 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: just fell in love with that process and being able 182 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: to think a little differently, and so it kind of 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: worked out. 184 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 5: That is awesome. 185 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: I didn't think like the whole journey and using the 186 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: power of the pen is amazing to hear like a 187 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: former football player talk about it and use those skills, 188 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: especially now trying to knock at Chapel Hills, a highly 189 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: regarded institution. 190 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: As far as education is the best ever, Yes, yes 191 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: it is. I hear about it all the time. Somehow 192 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: throw they talk about it. I don't have to talk 193 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: about Alabama. I mean, if we want to talk about sports, 194 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: it's not even close. But as far as education, that's 195 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: all you hear about is Chapel Hill. We talk about football. 196 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: We talk about sports. Now you got to come see us. 197 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: We got all of that stuff, you do, you know, 198 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: football is a little behind. In fact, my senior year 199 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: we lost to Alabama in the bowl game because that 200 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: was Sherman Williams. Oh yes, Sherman, Yeah, Sham Shade and 201 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: all those guys. 202 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, we played them in the Gator Ball. 203 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: Not a man throwback. 204 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: All right, So all these jobs, all these things, So 205 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: when do you find time to sleep? 206 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Like what is a typical week for Bucky Books? It 207 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: all kind of works together, or you don't sleep. Because 208 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm a guy I can do with like four or five. 209 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 3: I can with a little bit, but it all works together. 210 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: So during this season, it's not as heavy for me 211 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: when it comes to NFL network and TV stuff like 212 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: podcasts three times a week. May occasionally pop on a 213 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: show like Total Access or something like that, but primarily 214 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: it's just podcasting and in writing. I'll write a couple 215 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: of times a week. That's when high school football is heavy. 216 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: In head coach of a school there, so we practice 217 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: before school, So we practice at six am. We go 218 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: from like six to seven to twenty. We own that 219 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: NFL Quick Practice in and out Fast Friday, but we 220 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: do Fast Friday every day. Yeah, And we get in 221 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: and out and then I go about my day like 222 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: the podcast will be whatever. Some days, the heavier stuff 223 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: and that. But when it gets to the spring, high 224 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: school football is done. But then that's when it's the 225 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: draft and focusing on that path to the draft, like 226 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: the main show that I'm on that comes on, and 227 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: so it just kind of it fluctuates, but it's always busy, 228 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: but busy in a difference, are you studying college players 229 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: throughout the season, Like how is that process going? When 230 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: are you starting to really dive into that, because that's 231 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: that's where that's where your bread is. 232 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: I mean, but that's because that's the background. 233 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: So the background is like I was a college scout, 234 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: so I would go and look at college players and 235 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: then we'll rank them and draft them and evaluate them, 236 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: put them on the board for the draft and those things. 237 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: For me, you're always paying attention to the college game. 238 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 5: Like I do work. 239 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: I do sideline work for the Jacksonville Jaguars radio and 240 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: so when I'm on the road on a Saturday night, 241 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: like you pop in TV, you see what's going on, 242 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: but you also have your tape available. 243 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: And then as it gets closer to the end of 244 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: the season. 245 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: When you begin to get the names you begin to 246 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: hear from your scouting buddies who are in the league. Hey, 247 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: hear the names that you need to watch, and then 248 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: you begin to like kind of really do a deep 249 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: dive into these are the guys that we really need 250 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: to know. And you see, because you guys do it 251 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: in the mediate world, like you kind of play the hits, 252 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: like you're talking about the top guys every day, and 253 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: then on TV you'll get into an obscure. Hey, this 254 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: is a late round, little Jim nugget, but most of 255 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: the time we talk about the top guys, and so 256 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: sometimes saying now you can TV scale, but then you 257 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: follow it up with real filmwork, film scouting now being 258 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: as busy as you are and all the jobs that 259 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: you have. I know, when you. 260 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: Are a coach, you have this responsibility to teach young 261 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 4: men about life the game itself, but you're. 262 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: Teach them about life. 263 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: You're teaching them about hard work, teamwork, how to grind, 264 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: how to work together, how to overcome obstacles, failures, and whatnot. 265 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 4: What's really been the most gratifying job for you out 266 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: of all the ones that we just mentioned, well. 267 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: All of them are gratifying in a different way. But 268 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: I would say high school because you guys know, like 269 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: there's always been a coach that's somewhere along the line 270 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: that touched you in a different way, either change your 271 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: path or he gave you the confidence that, hey man, 272 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: you can do this. 273 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 5: Yep. And so for me, high school gives me the 274 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 5: opportunity to do that. 275 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: I coach at the public school up in the northern 276 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: part of LA And it's just great to see all 277 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: these dudes, right because, like, I don't care what anyone says, like, 278 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: there's nothing that is like playing. There's no replicating like 279 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: running through the tunnel, feeling all that they gladiated mentality. 280 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: The only thing to me that's close to that is coaching, 281 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 2: and I can't do it anymore, but I can live through. 282 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 5: Watching them do. 283 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: So if we're talking about we're a team to play 284 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: a lot of man to man, but we're like, hey man, 285 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: look if they get in this bunch, we're gonna bando 286 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: it and you go, he's going to throw it and 287 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: it just don't blow the layup. And when they do it, 288 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: you come out of your shoes just like you would 289 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: as a player if we're teammates and you get a 290 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: pick six and we meet in the end zone. So 291 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: to me, those things are great and yeah, why when 292 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: they do great things and you tell them like that's 293 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: great that you're doing all your stuff on the field, 294 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: but now let's take care of this stuff off the field. 295 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: Because how you do anything is how you do everything. 296 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: And you give them those little things that coaches that 297 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: poured into you and then you see them take it. 298 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: And then I think the thing and it happens with 299 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: our kids whatever when you hear them say stuff that 300 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: you said to them to their teammates, like little guys 301 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: that come in like, oh man, you got to take 302 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: care of the details and all that other stuff. That's 303 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: when you're got oh okay, Yeah, that part to me 304 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: is fun like watching them grow. And I've been on 305 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: the camp circuit for a long time, like working with 306 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: Nike camps and all that, and seeing Derwin James and 307 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: Jamal Adams and all these guys come through and watching 308 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: them when they're in teenagers and now I see them 309 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: as pros, right, but they see you and they're like 310 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: coach Bucky like. So to me, it's just like paying 311 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: it forward. And so the game is such a great game. 312 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: That's one of the things you can take all the 313 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: things that you learn from playing in between the lines 314 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: on the grass, and you give it to young people 315 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 2: and then they can take it and use it in 316 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways. 317 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 5: You know. 318 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting you say that because my 319 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: dad was a high school coach and he coached me 320 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: my first couple of years in high school. And I 321 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: used to ask them like that, why do you coach? 322 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Like these kids can't do this? 323 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: You're yelling all like you're up for all these hours, 324 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: like why, And it was the same example that you 325 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: just gave you, Like, it's something to be said when 326 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: you have a guy walk in here as a freshman, 327 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: can't even can barely tie shoes, put his pads on backwards, 328 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: and you look up two or three years later and 329 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: he's playing, Like I have shaped this kid into a player, 330 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: and I can trust him to like not mess it up. 331 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to tackle somebody. And you get 332 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: excited for these things. And so that's the real joy 333 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: of coaching high school football that I don't think anybody 334 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: really understands, no until. 335 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: You do it. 336 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that to me, that was always that was 337 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: always the level I always want to be at. Right, 338 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: I didn't have an aspiration to coach like a high 339 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: level because in high school, most HIG schools, unless you're 340 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: a private HIG school, I mean you coach, you coach 341 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: up who shows up? So and so, Like when they 342 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: come through the door, you're like, whoa, we don't have 343 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: a quarterback. 344 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: You know what we're gonna do. 345 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna jump into single wing thing and try and 346 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: figure it out or whatever it is like and so 347 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: oh man, they really don't understand how to plays. So 348 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: so you know what we're gonna do. Hey man, that's 349 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: your man. That cat is your cat. Wherever you go, 350 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: you go, like and so you you like, to me, 351 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: that's the beauty of high school ball, Like you just 352 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: you never know what it's gonna. 353 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: Look like and then you try and figure out. All right, guys, 354 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: like this is what we got. 355 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: We have one defensive man and you know, so to me, 356 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: that's that's the beauty of high school. 357 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: And that's why I have so much respect for high school. 358 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: And also to attest to that, your past year, you win, 359 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: guys went to the championship. Your first two completions all 360 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: year long were in the championship game. You guys rush 361 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: for fifty four hundred yards and seventy touchdowns and didn't 362 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: throw the ball all year long. So the single wing, 363 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: which nobody can defend. 364 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Obviously, I think that's a benefit to you though in 365 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: a testment that he you're such like, you know what. 366 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: We're gonna do. Whatever works. 367 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: It is so and you're not just stuck in your 368 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: waist because you hadn't been coaching with thirty five years. 369 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: Oh so, here's just funny. And it goes back to 370 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: when I was working with the Carolina Panthers. You can 371 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: look this up. It's really funny. So we had to 372 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: play against the Atlanta Falcons. Huh, starting quarterback Jake the 373 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: Loman is out. Chris Winky is a quarterback. I don't 374 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: know if John Fox had a lot of confidence in 375 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: Chris will So we lined up with D'Angelo Williams and 376 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: Deshaun Foster and played the wildcat the entire game. They 377 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: threw six pass I think we threw six passes and 378 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: one both the news went over. 379 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 5: So then I was like, oh, well, you know what, 380 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 5: like sometimes. 381 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: You just whatever you do, you do whatever you gotta do, yeah, 382 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: and get out of it. But those are the things 383 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: that you do and in high school, like you have 384 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: to like just take what you're given and kind of 385 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: figure out a way to make it work. 386 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: I love that. I do too. 387 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 4: I don't think we had that in Texas. We always 388 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: had some some good talent coming through them doors of 389 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: copperce Cove. 390 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: So tell me, all right, so what's the transition like 391 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: being from all right, you were in the scouting world. 392 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Now you're on the opposite side of it covering it 393 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: as an analyst. How have the relationships of the people 394 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: that you worked with? Has that changed or has it 395 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: been kind of remained the same or do they respect 396 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: to the same, Like, because you got to tell it honestly, 397 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: you win, it wouldn't keep the job. And when you're honest, like. 398 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: You guys know because I've seen both of you guys 399 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: on TV, so y'all know, like when you come off 400 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: to sitting off a sudden, your phone is buzzing because 401 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: when you dude, like come on now, you know, I 402 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: got to play TV. So like, so like I gotta 403 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: sell and I gotta sell it in a major way. 404 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: But it's actually been great because what happens is your boys, 405 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: your guys who are like you're really like that you're. 406 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 5: Down with, they'll call you, they'll give you the information. 407 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. Here's what school on this. Because 408 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: they want you to look good and they beam when 409 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: they see you on TV because they're like, hey, man, 410 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: look at you all up. 411 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: Your fancy you know, but but they dig it. 412 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 2: They actually are pride for when they see you do 413 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: your thing because you know what the locker room is like, 414 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: like really at his core, we really care about it, 415 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: even though the pros are kind of weird because like 416 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: we're all kind of independent contract. When you're on great teams, 417 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: you really still have that same camaraderie. Feel doubt little 418 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: league and high school or whatever where like man, it's 419 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: about your boy getting off and we all we do 420 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 2: well as a group, everyone gets off. So for me, 421 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: the relationships have been the same. And what I always 422 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: try to do is if I do have to criticize, 423 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: I always try and make it where it's not it's 424 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: not personal, Like here's what we're talking about. 425 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 5: We're talking about a decision that was made. 426 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: We're talking about a player that was picked in those things, 427 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: and you try to like have a critical eye like hey, 428 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: well maybe they're thinking this and those things. And for 429 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: me it is worth because most of the guys, even 430 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: if they don't agree with my opinion, they can be like, Okay. 431 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: I get that. 432 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: It's just when if you go sideways and I've never 433 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: been like a hot take artist, but if you go 434 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: sideways where you're trying to embellish it and blow it up, 435 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: that's when you're like, come on, man, what are we doing. 436 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: But most of the time people can respect it and 437 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, okay, I get that. Now when you 438 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: got out, you got right into the scouting. Now, why 439 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: do you do scouting versus coaching? Well, I just it's 440 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: funny because I bounced around so much as a player 441 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: that I didn't want to kind of have that life 442 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: as a coach because we saw very saying we've all 443 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: been coached by guides that man, they got different logos 444 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: on every year. 445 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: What they say, you're a coach. It's not about like 446 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: if it's when you're gonna get fired. 447 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: Right, So imagine, like I mean we all have kids, Like, 448 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: imagine you don't want to take your kids like every 449 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: two years bounce them around or whatever. So for me, 450 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, Like the scouting thing at 451 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: the time was supposed to be the more stable environment 452 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: of that, So you're still close to the game in 453 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: a different way than coaching. Now there's still nothing like 454 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: coaching them playing are like the two things, cause you 455 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: get looked. There's a scoreboard when you're scouting. You don't 456 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: have the same scoreboard. Like you can talk about the draft, 457 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: but you don't see it until like two three years. 458 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: And so the hard thing for me as a scout 459 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: was you didn't have a direct impact on the game 460 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: each Sunday. So you're watching the game, but it's not 461 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: like a decision that you made as a coach either 462 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: wins or loses, or as a player how you played. 463 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: As a scout, you're sitting back and you're thinking about 464 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: the long view. And so I missed that part of 465 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: the competition, which is why when I had an opportunity 466 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: and I moved over to media, I was like, well, 467 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: I got a coach, now I gotta get that. I 468 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: got to scratch that itch and coach in high school 469 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: did that, but like that part, but for me, I 470 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: was still trying to squeeze out one more year, right, Yeah, 471 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: I was trying to squeeze out, like man if I could. 472 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 5: Just get one, And so I called one of my boys. 473 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: He was working with the Philadelphia Eagles, and he was like, yeah, 474 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: I ain't got nothing for years player, but there may 475 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: be a job that opens up as scout. 476 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 5: And so I was prepping to get ready for an interview. 477 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: There called another one of my guys and he had 478 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: just got a gig and see yeall, he'said, why don't 479 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: you come. 480 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 5: Up here and interview. I wanted to an interview and 481 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 5: never left, you know. So that's that's how I played that. 482 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: But the same thing, those those relationships and as a player, 483 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: because I'm sure you guys did it as players. You 484 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: let people know what you would like that transition to 485 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: be for you after football is done. Cause I'm sure 486 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: coaches or people around caming, hey, man, what do you 487 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: want to do when football was over? And I want 488 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: to coach? I want to do this on scout. And 489 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: so I let people know what my intentions were. And 490 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: then it just so happened that I got. 491 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: You gotta go ahead. 492 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: No, No, I could guess I'd like something just hitting 493 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: my yeah brain, I gotta I. 494 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: Guess my question. Another question that I have is, so 495 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: Chris Ballad was my scout. Yeah, and I brag on 496 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: Chris Ballad every time because we talk. 497 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 5: We're good friends. 498 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 4: And he was like, man, I'll fault Jerry Angelo tooth 499 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: and nail to take you second round. I know you 500 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 4: didn't have the name, but I was like, I'm telling you, 501 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: Peanut or Charles Tillman, he's going to be the guy. 502 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. 503 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: Has there been a player that you scouted in college 504 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: that you were just like, Nope, this is the guy. 505 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: He can be X Y and Z, he will be 506 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: a great player. Is there a guy in your when 507 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: you were scouting. 508 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: I think we all have guys that we love. 509 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: Sometimes you're not in a position to take the player 510 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: that you want for that team, but there are certain 511 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: guys that you like gravitate towards. So I remember watching 512 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: Steve Smith, who works with us here, but I remember 513 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: watching him at Utah, and I remember watching him in 514 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: the All Star game circuit that we that guys do 515 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: like after their senior year. 516 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 5: This dude was dominant Hula Bowl. 517 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: He was killing the East weatight, So you're just like, man, 518 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: this dude is like a dude. 519 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: But he wasn't a prototypical size at the time because 520 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: he's like, look, he's five nine. 521 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: He made list five to ten, but was. 522 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: He hits it now? He hits it now like he 523 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: was five nine and he was a returner. 524 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: And so sometimes that can be a hard sale to 525 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: say that, hey man, this dude is a returner, but 526 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: like he can be a wide out to so watching 527 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: him and then when I left Seattle to go there 528 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: and watch him grow from being a Pro Bowl kick 529 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: returner as a rookie to then being a guy that 530 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: won the Triple Crown and become a multiple time Pro 531 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: Bowl player and wide receiver. Those are the things that 532 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, this is cool, Like that's it's great 533 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: to watch him progress. No one could predict that he 534 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: would be what he became, a Hall of Fame caliber 535 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: wide out. But to see him go from that and 536 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: to be able to like, yeah, I thought he could 537 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: do some of that. I didn't think he could do 538 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: all of that. That stuff is kind of cool. 539 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 5: Peanut. 540 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: Now I literally wrote just about that same question now 541 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: that you just asked him. I want to know from 542 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: the other side, was like, early on in your scouting career, 543 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: did you ever like were you almost over confident in 544 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: some things? 545 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: Knowing that you had just come from playing. 546 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: Were you overconfident with like, man, I know this, and 547 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden I was wrong and I was like, man, 548 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: maybe I need to go back to the drawing board 549 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: on some of my process. 550 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: So it's funny because what happens is as a player, 551 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: and you'll see this, like as you're around teams and 552 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: those things. I know you guys are around teams. Sometimes 553 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: they're not a lot of former players in the scouting department, 554 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: and there can be a different rub because sometimes as 555 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: players we may fall into these stereotypes. Right, players are 556 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: codd old players. I don't know if they can do 557 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: the grind on them to get on it this and that. 558 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: Even though I always felt like, well, being a good 559 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: player like that gives me a leg up because I 560 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: kind of know what that thing is and I felt 561 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: like I would give prospects more grace just because I. 562 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 5: Knew how hard the game is. 563 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, like, no, yeah, man, 564 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: like that that's a hard play. Coach, Like that's a 565 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: hard Like that's hard you acting like now, yeah, that's 566 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: a hard play. 567 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 5: They coming down the screen. 568 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 3: My man ain't got a reroute number. 569 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 5: One, I'm on the hash every way go. 570 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: He's coming right at me. What am I doing? 571 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: They fit it in the honey hole, and you're mad 572 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: at me because I can't get over there, like being 573 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: able to understand that part of it. Yeah, And I 574 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: think what happens is because you come off the field, 575 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: you may feel like you know it and you should 576 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: always feel good about it, but you also have to 577 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: put the study behind that stuff. But I think the 578 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: advantage that you have we all play with great players. 579 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: So for instance, I think in my past I'm now 580 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: up to like maybe seventeen Hall of Fame teammates, right. 581 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: So I when I look at players, I begin to 582 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: compare them to the players that I play with. So, 583 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: for instance, I play with Bruce Smith, Derek Thomas, Reggie White. 584 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: So when I'm evaluating past rushers and people are talking about, 585 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: hey man, this guy's I'm like, hey man, these three 586 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: dudes here like the top of the list when it 587 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: comes to South. So I'm looking at Derrick Thomas's get 588 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 2: off compared to his I'm thinking about Reggie White's ability 589 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: to turn speed into power. I'm looking at Bruce Smith, 590 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: his savvy and his overall Dominans. Do I feel that, 591 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: you know? Do I see that in the players? And 592 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: so you I played with Charles Woodson when he was 593 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: a rookie in Oakland, and so you begin to take 594 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: all those things, all your experiences, and you begin to 595 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 2: compare and contrast what the greats look like compared to 596 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: somebody that you're evaluating. 597 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: So I think, to me, it gave me a leg a. 598 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: So what have you learned in the game? 599 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: As far as you know, you talked about all these 600 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: these these players that you played with, some good coaches 601 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: that you played for. What's been one of the best 602 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: lessons that you've learned with with all of the players 603 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: and coaches. 604 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: So I think, I think from every coach that you 605 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: play with, you learn different things. So every coach that 606 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: I played with is either in the Hall of Fame 607 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: or Super Bowl champion. And the one exception is Marty 608 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: Shotenham who won two hundred games. So Marv Leav's in 609 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, Mike home Wren will be or 610 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: should be Mike Holren talking to Tom Coughlin, John Grutin. 611 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 5: So all these guys learn great things. 612 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: And so what I learned is they all went about 613 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: their different their business in different ways, but they all 614 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: kind of came back to the same thing. Man, It's 615 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: all about the preparation and it's about ultimately do you 616 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: perform and the lights come on. Like we can talk 617 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: about all of it, but at the end of the day, 618 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: you got to prepare. But when the lights come on, 619 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: you got to show up. And that's just what it is. 620 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: And it's the same thing when it comes to like 621 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: doing TV, when in writing or whatever, how much you 622 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: pour into the preparation process will give you the best 623 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: opportunity to perform at a high level. Yea, And so 624 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: it only gives you opportunity. Yeah, you still got to 625 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: make the play. 626 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: Still gotta go out there and do it. 627 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: Still got to make the play. And so to me, 628 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: that's what it is, and that's what you're trying to 629 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: young people. Hey man, do all the work and do it. 630 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: But I always feel like the one thing, if I 631 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: could go back as a player, I might have been 632 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: scared to pour the trick. And so what I would 633 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: always encourage people, Man, take the shot, you know what 634 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like there are times where and I go 635 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: back and I always said, it's like we're playing in 636 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: San Francisco. 637 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: Forty nine is in a preseason game. 638 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: But I studied the tape and every time Jerry Rice 639 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: lined up at the top of the numbers when the 640 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: ball was there, it was one hundred of speed out 641 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: And so we get there. I'm like, man, there's the tail, 642 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 2: the boss right there. Let's just like you like, like 643 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: I do I go? It's Jerry Rice, right, So then 644 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: you don't go, but you like, that's to play. But 645 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: then I played with guys because in college, Dre Black 646 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: came right behind me. 647 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, Drey jumped everything. 648 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: He's going like if if over there, he's going, and 649 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: I was like I would, I'm like, I'm gone, And 650 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: so safety help does matter. But that was Dre and 651 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: so that is the thing. And so I tell people. 652 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: But if you do all that and you trust it, 653 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: you go with And as a coach, I always said, 654 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: I want to give you the freedom to do it. 655 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: So I'm not going to jump you like. That's why 656 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: we talk about having a mentor and having that right coach, because. 657 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: The right coach, I tell you, yes, I got yeah, 658 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: trust your keys. 659 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: And then because you were safe in your corner, we 660 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: know the inner game is that I'm gonna look at hey, 661 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: are he gone? I'm gone, He's But that's but that's 662 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: the thing where in the fraternity you know that, Yes, 663 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: that's how we play where someone gets a players because 664 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 2: like hey man, hey cover me, I'm going. 665 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: Give me. 666 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: That's that's the communication all the time, Like you did 667 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: that with jour Are the whole time fifteen because I 668 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: was with j No everything all the time. 669 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: We changed our whole defense. 670 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: We went from straight quarters to now we're allowing now 671 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: with the corners allowed to jump anything. 672 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: To the flat, we're over the top. All the time 673 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: they were like so anybody repalmed, were not even be rep. 674 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: We're doing palms the. 675 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: Whole back half of the season because jay No is 676 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: just like he going And so for those listen, the 677 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: palm technique is when the two goes out in the 678 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: corner just jumps yeah to anything out to the flat 679 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: by the second receiver that side. The corners are going 680 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: to jump it, and now the safety has to go 681 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: over the top. So I'm covering number two and then 682 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: until it goes out. Now I'm trying to bust over 683 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: before there's a big honey hall. So yes, that was it, 684 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: all right? Out of all those coaches though you mentioned them, 685 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: hall of fame potential for all of them, if not, 686 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: if not, now they will be. 687 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: Which one's the hardest to play for? 688 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: Okay, because uh, I apologize to him after I played 689 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: for him. So Tom Coughlin, Yeah, so Tom Coughlin, you apologize. 690 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: I apologize because Tom he was tough. 691 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: So so when I go to Jacksonville, So you got 692 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: to understand, I go from playing with the Green Bay Packers. 693 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: We had come off of a Super Bowl appearance and 694 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: they were going right back to Now I go to Jacksonville, 695 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: who's like in their second year as an expansion franchise 696 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: in Green Bay, like they're winning. He comes from San Francisco, 697 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: so everything not only his first class, but it's like 698 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: it's like VET Central, meaning like now I'm a young player, 699 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: but it's a we ain't putting them pass slow down. Oh, 700 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: we ain't dressing up going on the road, like hey, 701 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: we're just going there and play do our thing. Jacksonville. 702 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: You walk in the door, Hey man, it's concentration line. 703 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: We go on the thing. You gotta button everything up. 704 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: You know when I mean button up when you go 705 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: walk out the door to go to the practice field. 706 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: When you're on the practice field, your helmet had to 707 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: be button up at all times, your socks had to 708 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: be up. 709 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: Everybody had to have on the same shorts. 710 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 5: We're doing this. 711 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: He's looking if you got those little ankle socks. He's like, 712 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: those are issued. Fine, you you go on all yeah, 713 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: you go on the road when we So we're in 714 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: the hotel. So we're in the hotel, like, look, okay, 715 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: we'll be suitting and booted on the plane. 716 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: I can relax. 717 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 5: We got sweat. 718 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: Oh, if you're out the hotel room, you gotta have 719 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: on khakis and hard bottom shoot and a collar shirt. 720 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there, I'm like, what are we doing? 721 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: Like, and what year is this for you? This is 722 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: year three or four? Okay, but I'm sitting here like 723 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: what do we do? And when I first got it, 724 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: we getting drummed. 725 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, we're doing it. They say we're not even winning. 726 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: It's not. 727 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 5: So we do we go to the playoffs or whatever. 728 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: So years later I finished and I started coaching high school. 729 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: And so the high school one went to, all these 730 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: dudes would come out for work up and they got 731 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: on different colors. 732 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: You got on green. The school coach is blue and gold. 733 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 5: You got on green, you got on rid. 734 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: Then looked like it don't look. 735 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 5: Like a team. So then I see Coughlin at the combine. 736 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 5: I said, Coach, I got it. 737 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: Now, I get why you did all that because it 738 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: was driving me crazy. But he was the one that 739 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: was the hardest to play for it because he had 740 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: all these rules, and I was like, these rules, the 741 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: rules makes sense. But he was a great coach, and 742 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: he figured it out for real when he got to 743 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: New York because all those things you got people there. 744 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: They swear by him, They swear by him and the 745 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: tough love and all that other stuff. For me, I 746 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: was a little immature. I couldn't figure it all the 747 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: way out until later I had a greater appreciation. Or hey, 748 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: dot the i's cross the t's. This is how we 749 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: do all this stuff standing across the board. 750 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had I had a friend of mine that 751 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: actually had him at Boston College when he was in college. 752 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: He was like, dude, the dude was tough, like like 753 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: got to be there five minutes early. 754 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: Like it was like he was. 755 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Like he was like, you know, my family had an accident. 756 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: He's like coach. I don't know if guy might be 757 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: a little bit late. He was like late, like won't 758 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: be here. 759 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: It's like like no excuses, and so it just kind 760 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: of some people don't ever change. And you know he's 761 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: actually thankful for him now. Yeah, like some of the 762 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: things like is that so the funny thing is you're 763 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: lab ye had a high school day? No five minutes 764 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: or hey if. 765 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: You like, so if you don't tell me at eleven, 766 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: it really started ten fifty five. So my thing was 767 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: always that coach, Well, if you wanted to meet and 768 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: started six fifty five, just tell me six to fifty five. 769 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: That tell me seven o'clock. But you want me here 770 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: six fifty five, Like, just tell me the time. And 771 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: I get the same complaints from the kids. I'm like, 772 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: and no, we started at five fifty five. 773 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 5: Like you know what it is. 774 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've you've had successful you know, media, you're 775 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: killing it right now. The scouting, his team's killing it too. 776 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: When he killing it with the with the offense. Mount Rushmore, 777 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: who would you put on that personal Mount Rushmore of mentors, coaches, 778 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: great teammates, the Lord, mom, Dad, I mean it's totally 779 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: it's Mount Rushmore. 780 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 5: So first personal Mount Rushmore will be my dad. 781 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 782 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: So my dad is a retired firefighter, but he also 783 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: was a coach. 784 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 5: He coached Dexter Lawrence in high school. He's a D 785 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 5: line coach. 786 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: They won I think forty five games in a row 787 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: after decks, but they want to stay title. So I 788 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: get him on. He's on my head every day about coaching. 789 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: What are you doing, how you doing or whatever? He 790 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: goes he coaches in your blood. Yeah, so he goes there. 791 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: Mac Brown, my college coach, goes there because from coach Brown, 792 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: I learned the art of how you treat people. Like 793 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: if you want people to play at the first class level, 794 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: you got to treat them. 795 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: He hands out to Mac Brown. Amazing human being. I 796 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: mean this dude could sell water and. 797 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: Unbelievable communicator, like seeing that if he met you, he 798 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: would meet you five years down from he would know 799 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: what's that first conversation with him. He's that and it's 800 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 2: a gift that he has. So he was he was 801 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: always that, I would say from a player, the guy 802 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: who helped me the most, James Hasty was an all 803 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: pro corner when I was there, and so when I 804 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: got there, I'm still learning how to play corner. And 805 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: what he did for me was he held me to 806 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: a higher standard than I had ever been held to 807 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: by for a player, because in Kansas City under Martin 808 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: Shaan Hummer, it was a player's driven team. And so 809 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: if you two guys in the secondary, if I'm the 810 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 2: dime and I come in there and y'all don't really 811 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: like how I get down, y'all would send me out 812 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: and the coaches would respond. 813 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 5: So that's how that was. 814 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: So Hasty said, no, here's what you're going to You 815 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: can come here on Tuesday at eight o'clock. I'm gonna 816 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 2: come in at nine o'clock. By nine o'clock, you're gonna 817 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: have a report written on the number one receiver that 818 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: we're playing. But what he did is he was teaching 819 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: me how to prep and get ready, yeah to play. 820 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: And so James Hasty would be there and then I 821 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: would say, like, the last guy like in terms of 822 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: like a personal mentor would be Charles Davis. So Charles 823 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: Davis for me and broadcasting has been everything. And he's 824 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: so good in terms of learning how to prepare, learning 825 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: how to do basic mechanics of like TV. Hey, when 826 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: do you look at the camera when don't you look 827 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 2: at the camera when you engage in all that? Call 828 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: him about anything when it comes to the business, because 829 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: he is like water. 830 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: Oh, he could do anything. He called golf. 831 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: He can call baseball and call football like he's your 832 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: lifeline if you're on a trivia show and you need 833 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: something who knows random facts. 834 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 5: CD has always been that guy. 835 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 3: Well, you know he's good. He was on that. That's 836 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 3: my guy. Yeah, he's my guy. 837 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Well, hey, buggy, we appreciate you coming down. We got 838 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: like a thousand more courses, but you got seventy two 839 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: jobs and we know you busy. 840 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: Man. Hey, I just gotta go to work. Mine, gotta 841 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: go to work mine. 842 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you know what it is. 843 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's been great granks, man, but appreciate it. Man. 844 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 845 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 5: Man. 846 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: All of our followers and listeners out there, Man, continue 847 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: to do that. 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