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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: our Monday Morning slash Sunday Night podcast. So the draft

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Speaker 1: is officially done. I'm gonna go to Matt Mosley in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: longtime columnist written for the Dallas Morning News. Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: dot Com has the Doomday podcast. He's all over the

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Speaker 1: Dallas media. Well connected, funny guy, smart guy. Love having

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Speaker 1: him on Bill Polly in the Hall of Fame exec

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on as well. So about a

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Speaker 1: good hour. Strap yourself in. I don't give grades on

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Speaker 1: the draft, and my feeling on this has always been

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Speaker 1: I don't consider the draft in itself gradable. I'm wrong enough.

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Speaker 1: I think when something can be proven wrong over and

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again, then I stop believing

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Speaker 1: in it. If my Blazing five was wrong under fifty

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Speaker 1: percent every year, I'd stop doing it. But like fourteen

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Speaker 1: of the last fifteen years, it's been over five hundred

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Speaker 1: about fifty three to fifty six percent, So I keep

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Speaker 1: doing it. The grading system is mostly nonsense. What I do,

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Speaker 1: and I'll do this on Fox Sports One and Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, is that I'll take your top three free

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Speaker 1: agent moves and combine it with your top two or

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Speaker 1: Who really had a great draft, but trying to guess

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Speaker 1: your fourth, fifth, six, seventh round picks, nobody knows. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to take a couple of games against Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna realize you don't have a twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: of a draft is it? Same with Chicago Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: but if he doesn't, how can you give that draft

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Speaker 1: an A plus? Everybody's like Bears a plus. You don't know,

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Speaker 1: You won't know for two years. But one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I don't do this is simply this. The NFL

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Speaker 1: replaces seven to eight coaches a year, so that means

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Speaker 1: if you get drafted today, within two years, you'll either

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the people who draft this player

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Speaker 1: said player this year, within two years he has another coordinator,

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Speaker 1: So you know a lot of this draft is players

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Speaker 1: it mean? It doesn't mean anything. If you're asking me

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Speaker 1: well for Andy and Patrick Mahomes. That will have a

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got the power tackle who can fill

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Speaker 1: avoid the inside guy's important and we got d Drake Freeney.

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Speaker 1: And he said, Bill, you know, when it comes to

428
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Speaker 1: this choice, I'll take speed one hundred percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: So I said, okay, great, so will I We know,

430
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: hard choices. Those are the kind of discussions we had.

431
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne came from a situation where nobody could get

432
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Speaker 1: a consensus on a defensive back. We needed a corner

433
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Speaker 1: and we couldn't get any consensus, so we traded down,

434
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: and the best player available when we traded down was

435
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Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne. It was an unpopular choice. Everybody in our

436
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: building loved it. You know, there was a consensus, there

437
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: was a great player, and that's what it turned out

438
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: to be. A team like Cleveland, I think has done

439
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: a really good job supporting Baker Mayfield. I think their

440
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: offensive lines terrific. They went and spent money on a

441
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: right tackle, drafted a left tackle at Obama, Jedrick Wilson.

442
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: He's been very good. Their secondary was a little bit

443
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: of a mess in their linebacking corps. They addressed it

444
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: in free agency and the draft. My reservations about Cleveland

445
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: is they haven't been in a lot of big postseason games,

446
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and that's really something. They also may have seven new

447
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: starters defensively, that's really something they could take a while

448
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: to get going. When you're a team like Cleveland and

449
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: you don't have a history in the last twenty years

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Speaker 1: of big game success, would that shade you toward considering

451
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: drafting players from a Clemson, Obama Ohio state played in

452
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: big games one big games, winning cultures or is that

453
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: just nonsense talking head stuff. There's some value too, but

454
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: I think it's overrated. I think it's overrated. And Andrew

455
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Berry started with us, so I kind of know how

456
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: Andrews thinks. I think he's looking at the athlete in

457
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: the person much more than he is the program. I mean,

458
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: it's up to the coach to get them ready to

459
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: play in big games. And the only way you learn

460
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: how to play in big games is to do it

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Speaker 1: at the NFL level. By the way, until until just

462
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Speaker 1: a little while ago, Cleveland was all for nine on

463
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: first round draft choices. That was a long series of

464
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: missus there, which tells you why you know they haven't

465
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: been in the playoffs in a long time. But back

466
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Speaker 1: to your question about today's team. You can get the

467
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: defense going rather quickly. You got to simplify it a

468
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: little bit if you have new players until late until

469
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: they get acclimated to one another. But when when that happens,

470
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: and that's probably about mid season, they'll really start to

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: take off. They've got really good talent um offensively there,

472
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: they'll be better than ever because it'll be jail, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back healthy. And so you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: team that learned how to win a playoff game, the

475
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: opening round game against albeit a banged up Pittsburgh team.

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00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Now they've got to learn how to how to take

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00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: the next step. So that's a process that takes a while.

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00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: That'll take two or three years before they're battled hardened

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00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: enough really to go all the way. I think any

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Speaker 1: team is like that. By the way, how often were

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Speaker 1: you surprised Bill after the draft in OTAs or camp

482
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: and went, Wow, he is better than we thought? Did

483
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: that app Did that happen regularly? Once in a while,

484
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Once in a while. I've often said the worst day

485
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: of the general managers life in the NFL is the

486
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Speaker 1: first day after the draft, when you when minicamp, when

487
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Speaker 1: you go on the field and and the first round

488
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: draft choice comes out there and you're saying a prayer,

489
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Speaker 1: Please God, don't let him fall on his face, let

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Speaker 1: him look like an athlete. Sure, you only get one

491
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: choice to make, one chance to make a first impression,

492
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: and and and once once they do, of course, then

493
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: then everything flows freely from there. But occasionally you'll find

494
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: a player who outperforms his draft round early eh Antoine,

495
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: but Day was like that we really yeah. We drafted

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Speaker 1: him in the sixth round. I took the tape to

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Speaker 1: Tony just shows you how we how we collaborated. I said,

498
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Speaker 1: I got this guy here from Howard University who plays

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00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: three deep safety, doesn't do anything but that, but he's

500
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Speaker 1: a ballhawk, and he's savvy and he's tough. Um take

501
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: a look. I think he'd be a pretty good corner.

502
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: See what you think. And so he came back to

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Speaker 1: me a couple of days later with the tape and

504
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: he said, I see what you see. Let's let's start

505
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: him at safety and see how he does. He'll be

506
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: more comfortable there, and if we think he's good at corner,

507
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: we'll move him, you know, in his second year. I said, okay.

508
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: He said, where can we get this guy? I said,

509
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I think we can get him in sixth So he

510
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: said okay. So by the time the fourth round came around,

511
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Tony was saying, we think it's time to take Bethea.

512
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I said, not, wait a while, we'll be all right.

513
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: So we finally got him in the sixth round. First

514
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: practice at Minicamp interception, second practice interception third practice, two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: Tony walked over to me and said, I think we'll

516
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Speaker 1: leave him at safety. And he's been there ever since

517
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: fourteen years, you know, occasionally. Yeah, the Chargers got a

518
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: receiver named Josh Palmer. I think it was like third round,

519
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: third pick, and Tennessee couldn't get attacked together at quarterback.

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00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: So I look at him and I think to myself,

521
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: he may be a better pro than a college player

522
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: because now he's got Herbert and they've got some real

523
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: weapons on that team. He's not a guy you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to double and and I just look at

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: him and I think because I watched him in college,

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Speaker 1: and I felt the same way with Calvin Johnson. He

527
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good college quarterback, and I thought, God,

528
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: this guy's going to be unguardable in the pros. And

529
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: then he got Stafford. Was there ever a guy that

530
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: you looked Terrell Davis was a better NFL back than

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Speaker 1: he wasn't running back at Georgia. Did you ever have

532
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: one of those bill where you knew going in he

533
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: just didn't have a good coach in college, he didn't

534
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: have a good quarterback, he didn't have a good coordinator.

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00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: This kid's going to be a better pro. Well, I

536
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: don't know what it was about, you know, I don't

537
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: remember exactly what Miami's program was like. But Santana Moss

538
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: got all the publicity and the overwhelming majority of the balls,

539
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: and he was a pretty high choice if Harry call correct.

540
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: And Reggie Wayne was the afterthought. That's why he was

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Speaker 1: an unpopular choice when we made it in Indianapolis, because

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00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: he was he was nobody knew him, and and lo

543
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: and behold, uh you know he should make it to

544
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame fairly soon. So, um, you know,

545
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: it's it's just a matter of as you say, with Megatron,

546
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: the talent. You could see the talent when you scouted him.

547
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: That was obvious. When he got with a quarterback and

548
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: a good program, it came out. And the same was

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00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: true with Reggie. Finally, Bill, you got a podcast called

550
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: Inside Football with Bill Polian. You go you behind the

551
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: scene stuff. People don't get to see. What's the one

552
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: topic inside football that you think? Boy, if people only

553
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: knew how this really works, boy, that's a really good question. Um.

554
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I think I think if they knew what the relationship

555
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: was between players and coaches and gms. They would be

556
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: very surprised how egalitarian and friendly and cooperative it is.

557
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: They'd really be surprised. It is not combative, it's not

558
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: buying large negative, it's not authoritarian. It's really a cooperative effort.

559
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: And and that never comes across. Do you miss the

560
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: long flight home, three hour flight home after a big

561
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: win and the buzz in the plane walking on the plane.

562
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: I think of that to myself and I think, God,

563
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: those you must have had some games out west, you know,

564
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: over time, win big game games with Peyton and you're

565
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: you're walking on that plane, pouring yourself a Heineken and thinking,

566
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: this is really as great a job as a guy

567
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: could have. Amen. And the only thing that's better than

568
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: that is the bus ride to the airport after a win.

569
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: We would make up silly songs to sing each week,

570
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: and the whole bus would be singing I love that

571
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: on the plane ride. Oh, Peyton was the Peyton was

572
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: the DJ, by the way he would pick and I

573
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: bet you would great talking to you, Abella Zola's always

574
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: take care, thank you. Before I get to Matt Mosley,

575
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: I was on Twitter this weekend and I saw something

576
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy. We know, Hollywood's not the most

577
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: authentic place, but there was this couple fairly prominent that

578
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: broke up and it was one of these real Oh,

579
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to have been in this relationship. After

580
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: ten years, She'll be part of my life forever. He's amazing,

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00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: We'll be friends forever. And I thought to myself, Oh,

582
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: give me a break. Can just one time a Hollywood

583
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: couple break up and she goes to Twitter and says

584
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: he was kind of a dick and really self absorbed.

585
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: And then he goes to Twitter and says, my friends

586
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: hated her. Really, my parents didn't even like her. I mean,

587
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm asking a lot for Hollywood, but just once,

588
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: could Hollywood people break up and not have to go

589
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: to like Deadline or Variety and give you this nonsense

590
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: about she's gonna be part of my life forever. You're

591
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: already dating your co star movie. Stop it. We all

592
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: know it's Hollywood. You've moved on anyway, all right? I

593
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: bring in my buddy Matt Mosley, longtime Dallas Cowboys columnist.

594
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: He's written for the Dallas Morning News, one of the

595
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: great American newspapers. You know, they're all hanging on by

596
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: a thread. But that's one of the good ones. ESPN

597
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: dot Com, Fox Sports dot Com, The Doomsday Podcast, The

598
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: Matt Mosley Show, ESPNN Dallas. I may hire him someday

599
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: for the volume, but we have a limited budget and

600
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: he's expensive as hell. So he's out there eating chicken

601
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: fried steak every Saturday night. I can't afford this guy.

602
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: He's rolling the big dough. So how are you well?

603
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: Doing fine? Good? Fine? And just you know, Day three

604
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: is when I really lock in on the draft. I mean,

605
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: that's when, don't we all? Yeah? Round seven that's when

606
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm getting wound up. So I don't know, I don't

607
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: know if I'm you're like me, I'm I feel like

608
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm coming off of something. You know, today I wanted

609
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: more picks and we didn't have any. So I spent

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: the day making calls, checking in with people, checking in

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00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: with gms across the league, and so I mean, I'm

612
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: excited to visit with you about some of this. So

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00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: let's start with this. I mean, the Cowboys, it was

614
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: no great secret they went out last year and got

615
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs a really nice corner in the second round.

616
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Nice player they wanted to pair JC Horn or Patrick

617
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Sir Tan. That was kind of the understanding. They didn't

618
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: get them, so they had to kind of, you know,

619
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: on the fly wing it. They don't need a linebacker,

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00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: although injuries are with vanderesh are you know, a concern.

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Speaker 1: So they get Micah Parsons, which by the way, I

622
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: have no problem with because he's an athlete, and frankly

623
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: in their back seven, they just need more athletes. So

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00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: let's talk first about that pick. I didn't think it

625
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: was a buzzkill. I think they wanted a corner. I

626
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: don't think they looked and thought, we need a linebacker,

627
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: or do they based on you know, Layton's injuries. You know,

628
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I thought it first it was disastrous to watch those

629
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks come off the board. They obviously wanted one.

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00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: Everybody thought it was going their way because you got

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, you got all the offensive players being taken,

632
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: and then boom boom, Carolina doesn't work with you, Denver

633
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work with you, and so they had to build

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00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: out of that next pick. So I thought their fallback

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00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: position kind of like you was okay. The only thing

636
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Speaker 1: I would say is, you know, they have to keep it.

637
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: They keep drafting the same position. I mean, vander Esh

638
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: is borderline like there might be tomorrow they might decide

639
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: not to even exercise his fifth year option. There. So

640
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: you're talking about Jaylei s Fith, You're talk about vander

641
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: You're talking about picks, premium picks that they're missing on.

642
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: And so some of these linebackers, and I know you

643
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: don't really like it when I go like fourth round picks.

644
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: But Jeb Burll Cox, the guy from Millau, they need,

645
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: they need him, and they need Micah Parsons to be

646
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: ready to start alongside Kean u'neil because next year Lvee,

647
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: the man that they call the wolf Hunter, will probably

648
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: be gone. Vanderesh and then Jayless Smith, a man who

649
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: celebrates every tackle. I mean it could be twenty yards downfield.

650
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: The man loves a good celebration. But they could be

651
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: gone next season. So I to me he's a good player. Okay.

652
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: I do find it funny that the other day at

653
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: their pre draft conference, they say, anybody who opts out

654
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: of the COVID year, which was this past season, we

655
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: see as a compromised candidate. We view them as compromised

656
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: if they opted out and didn't play, and then when

657
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: they got the chance, they grabbed Michael Partinson's a man

658
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: who opted out last season. Well, you know the way

659
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I looked at their the pick is Mike is an

660
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: every down player, whereas jabrielle Cox is an incredibly dynamic athlete,

661
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: not much of a hitter, but he's a great guy

662
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: in space, which, by the way, that's the new NFL.

663
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: He may not be Matt, he may not be an

664
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: every down player, but he's a great athlete. And when

665
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: your defense is bad, you need to get rid of

666
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: the coordinator. They did, but you also just need athletes.

667
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: Last year Arizona went and got like Isaiah Simmons, and

668
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: because Arizona's defense, and people said, well what does he play?

669
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: And might takes you figure it out? Now at college, Matt,

670
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: college coaches aren't as good as NFL coaches. So I've

671
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: always liked my college coaches to recruit specific players corner slot.

672
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, there are no mid terms. You're

673
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: not in a dorm. I know, give me the athlete.

674
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I got thirty forty hours a week to practice. I'll

675
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: get you figured out where I'm going to put you.

676
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: So to me, Micah Parsons. I just want him on

677
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: the field. He's just too damn good not to be

678
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: on the field somewhere. He's great. My only thing is

679
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: they keep missing on this position, so that's why they

680
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: had to go back to it. I think he'll be

681
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: really good. I think his athleticism is crazy. He's off

682
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: ball linebacker who's gonna go sideline and sideline. It's what

683
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: they hope bander Esch was. It's kind of what they

684
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: hope Jalen Smith was. And so they've got that taken

685
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: care of. What I'm not convinced of. And if you're

686
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: gonna give grades to some people I love all the fighting,

687
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: why don't we give grades because we like to talk

688
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: about things because it's sport my idiots, Okay, But I

689
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: mean I don't want to if people come up from

690
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: the Mountain White, well, you can't give grades. Of course

691
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: we can. And I would say the the part where

692
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: that gives me the most worry about the Cowboys, Colin

693
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: is they didn't I don't know if they found a

694
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: starting cornerback. I'm not I'm not convinced that Kelvin Joseph

695
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: their second round pick. I'm just saying they went back

696
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: to old school Jerry Jones. Yeah, well, okay, yes, issues, Colin.

697
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: If you get if you're a great player and you

698
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: have great instincts and you're a hitter and you're like

699
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: this Kelvin Joseph Is and they can't keep you at LSU,

700
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: what does that tell you? I mean, that's that's like major,

701
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: major red flag. I mean they the honey Badger came

702
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: back and made his career. You know, he basically got

703
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: kicked out of there. I'm just saying, when when la,

704
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: if you get kicked out of LSU or whatever happened

705
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: to him, he decides to leave it, go to Kentucky.

706
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: There are made your red flax. So what I'm saying

707
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: is what would give me the most worry about the

708
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft other than a third round. They started apparently

709
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: reaching like crazy, and we can talk about that a

710
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know that they got a

711
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: starting cornerback and everybody else just has I mean everybody

712
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: else around here. It's like they got Kelvin Joseph Jerseys.

713
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, he's opposite of Digs. Now, we'll put

714
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: the six four kid in there with him. He'll play

715
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: like the slaught or something, and it's it's allegian to

716
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: boom again. And that's that's that. This is Dallas. This

717
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: is the Quintessidential. Cowboys draft a lot of flash and dash,

718
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: but to me, a lot of worry. You know what

719
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: I saw Matt with it a lot of length. They

720
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: drafted the kid out of Oregon State, the corners six

721
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: three and a half. I saw their defensive lineman a

722
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: lot of length. So that's when I looked at Dallas

723
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: dan Quinn from Seattle. That's very much a Pete Carroll thing.

724
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: Get me long athletes, Richard Sherman, long corners. Pete loves

725
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: that long defensive ends and the and the takeaway is like,

726
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: if you're an interior defensive lineman and you have a

727
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: longer reach, you you may not You may just be

728
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: able to put your arm out pull a ball out

729
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: that Pete loves that length. I've talked to nbagms. I

730
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: had an NBA GM tell me years ago, Mark Warkentine

731
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: on Scottie Pippen. He said, one of the things we

732
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: loved about Scottie Pippen is his length. And you say,

733
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: what does it mean? He goes if he created two turnovers,

734
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: a game and gave Michael Jordan two more shots. Michael

735
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: makes one. You get to playoff games. You win a

736
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: lot of games by a basket. He goes. We had

737
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: that Chicago Bulls team was the longest team ever created,

738
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: and it just gave Michael six possessions a game you

739
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't normally get. So I look at the Cowboys draft

740
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know what they got. There's

741
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: some red flags, guys, but it's length and it's athleticism.

742
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Can we can we say that it's a long athletic class.

743
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a big wingspan guy as well.

744
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, do you know a lot of great six

745
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: four quarters around the this league? Can we point back? Like,

746
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there aren't any there. The great ones

747
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: are like six foot two hundred or six foot one

748
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: two hundred. Now that is the size of Kelvin Joseph.

749
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, and I can't make this point

750
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: enough with you. I mean, as I talk to people

751
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: around the league, it's like I would say this, Okay,

752
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: here's how I'll explain this without saying too much. The

753
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: relaxed rules on weed in this in the NFL has

754
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: changed the way people draft. Okay, I mean, I do

755
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: think that has happened, and I think we saw that

756
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: maybe in the second round some guys you would have

757
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: let rule on down the board. You're like, you know what,

758
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: they got a few strikes, They got several strikes before there.

759
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: It's not like Gordon, Josh Gordon takes one puff and

760
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: they're like, you're out of here forever. We don't want

761
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: to see you again. Go to Canada and play. I mean,

762
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I I think I think that has changed from things.

763
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying between these two corners, I'm not

764
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: convinced they have a starter. Now. All the link stuff,

765
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, the Goldston kemmy, there's some interesting

766
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: players it. Yes, it just gives me pause when the

767
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: people that do this even more than we do. You

768
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: and I love to look at film, We crunch the

769
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: numbers all of that, but even people, you know, they

770
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: they looked at these guys and they're like, whoa, whoa

771
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the third round. We had him in the we had

772
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: him in the six or seven. So I would say this,

773
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: and I've heard this from more than one GM. The

774
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: kid they took it in the third round, Naean, Right,

775
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the quarterback, Like you like his reach because

776
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: he's sixty four, he's one of the biggest reaches in

777
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys history as far as where they took him. I

778
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: mean literally literally, people are like across the league are

779
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: sending me what I mean, you know, all the exclamation marks,

780
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: all the question marks. So maybe he'll be great, But

781
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you can get two into this dan

782
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Quinn or Pete or whatever. You know, all these people,

783
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: you can get so far into body types if you're like,

784
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: are they gonna get burned? Are they gonna fall in

785
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: the double move? What's gonna happen to them? So you know,

786
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas was not that tall. He was not. I mean,

787
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: he was a great player, you know, he wasn't one

788
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: of those huge, lengthy guys. That's the guy everybody around

789
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: here has wanted for like the last five years. I

790
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: don't see any Earl Thomas's in this draft. They just

791
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: brought in what I mean, listen, I love. One of

792
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: the reasons I like you is so many people that

793
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: do local sports or Homer's and you're not. That's why

794
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: I love you. You do your homework. Jerry's involvement on

795
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: this I do think he's sort of handed it over.

796
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: I said before the draft, I said, Dallas is going

797
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: to have to go against its nature. Go be boring.

798
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: Get a guard, two interior defensive lineman, a slot corner,

799
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: a safety. Dallas is not good at boring. I'm like,

800
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: go be boring. I don't want to see any running backs.

801
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to see any receivers. I don't want

802
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: to see any flashy edge. Just get boring. What you're

803
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: saying is you're not sure if they got competent. But

804
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: what is Jerry's involvement in your opinion? If I said

805
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: one to ten, ten, he's locked in one. He's got

806
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: a tumbler and he's just watching, having fun and making

807
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: sure he talks on TV. Where's he at? Well, when

808
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: the pick is made, it rises up there to about

809
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: an eight or nine. Okay, he's ready to he's ready

810
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: to get involved. And what he loves to listen and

811
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: he loves to repeat things that he's here. I hear words.

812
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: I've been around Jerry for so long that I can

813
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: hear him say a sentence and go that came from parcels.

814
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I know what came even for like Chan Gailey back

815
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: in the day as a little bit before my time,

816
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: but I can I know where all this stuff comes from.

817
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: So when the pick is made, it's kind of like

818
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: when the parades coming by, Jerry wants to be up

819
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: at the front. Now all the gathering, the Will McClay,

820
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Stephen and Jerry kind of show up, They listen, they

821
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: get involved, they're on all the interviews. They really are

822
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: one thing Jerry he does. He loves those interviews. And

823
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: like like that six round pick they got for South

824
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: Carolina that started crying a bunch. I don't know if

825
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: you've seen that one. I mean that one's like whoa.

826
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean that will blow you away. I mean that

827
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: kid may get a ten year contract just because of

828
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: that that performance. Jerry loves that stuff. Okay, he loves drama.

829
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: So to answer that, I would just say in the

830
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: weeks leading up to it, about a five or six

831
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: likes to be on the interviews, loves to hear the things.

832
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: And I would say both those cornerbacks they were very,

833
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: very comfortable taking. They were just so ready for horn.

834
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: But they did. That's the thing about the strap. They

835
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't get. They didn't get like great character people or

836
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: they had they had it I'll say this later in

837
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the draft. They did Okay, I don't want to indict everybody,

838
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: but they got still in the fourth round. They're picking

839
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: guys like domestic violence incidents. I mean, this is a

840
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: this is a team that went from Jason Garrett boy scout.

841
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: So all the all I'm saying is this, here's where

842
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: Jerry comes in and gets to it like a nine

843
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: or a ten. Is when there is a redemption story,

844
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: that's that's gets his attention. Okay, I mean it's just like, yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: oh wait, this guy has some checkered past because Jerry,

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Speaker 1: Jerry loves all that stuff. Oh, this guy has some

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Speaker 1: some stuff on his record and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I would say, Jerry down the stretch when they're

849
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Speaker 1: getting ready to make a pick, he's way way involved. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we know two things will make the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense better. Number One, Dak Prescott. They were twenty

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Speaker 1: eighth last year in time of possession, so the defense

853
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Speaker 1: was on the damn field all the time. So with Dak,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be a better time of possession team.

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Speaker 1: He's also going to have an OTA in a camp

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Speaker 1: with McCarthy. Secondly, Dan Quinns a lot better than Mike Nolan,

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Speaker 1: So I mean the defense will be better, and I

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Speaker 1: do think they got athletic. But I think all your

859
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Speaker 1: points are well served. I you know, this morning of

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia's last place, I think Nick Sirianni's laughable as a

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Speaker 1: higher he he is, marginally, I'm not sure he's a

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Speaker 1: coordinator in the NFL. Philadelphia's last, worst quarterback, arguably worst coach,

863
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Speaker 1: and a meddling owner and a GM that's missed a lot,

864
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Speaker 1: So put them in last. I think the Giants. I

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Speaker 1: think Washington has the best defense, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants and Dallas have very good offensive personnel. If I

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Speaker 1: said this morning to you, Matt, give me the rundown

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Speaker 1: of the division, I'd go Washington first, Philly last, and

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Speaker 1: then I think the Giants and the Cowboys battled for

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Speaker 1: a wild card spot. Potentially your thoughts, well, I think

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Speaker 1: you're I don't know, this guy is a weirdo. It

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Speaker 1: seems like when I see him talk the new coach

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. So I kind of agree with you there.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback thing. I probably and maybe it's because I've

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Speaker 1: watched so much Big twelve, and I think that guy

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Speaker 1: is a huge winner. Like he's a guy that likes

877
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Speaker 1: to carry people, and suddenly he has a weapon, is

878
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Speaker 1: a big time weapon with him that he knows a

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Speaker 1: little bit. So I would say the Eagles, I have

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Speaker 1: a little higher than you do. I might even sneak

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Speaker 1: the Eagles up into the two spot. I really would.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants. Here's the thing. I don't like the

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Speaker 1: Giants quarterback. They're stuck with this guy seemingly forever, and

884
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Speaker 1: and he and everybody's like a Danny Dimes or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a weird. I mean, I don't think I

886
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Speaker 1: think he's third. I think the Giants or third, and

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Speaker 1: maybe now Redskins third and the Giants four. Now who

888
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Speaker 1: does that leave, Oh, my goodness, the Dallas Cowboys. And

889
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Speaker 1: what it leaves us with is a rough another rough division,

890
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: another division. Now what the Cowboys are hoping, you know,

891
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: every year it's if nobody gets hurt, we could have

892
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Speaker 1: we could have greatness. And then of course all the

893
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Speaker 1: offensive linemen get hurt and everything goes to hell. I

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Speaker 1: would just say they got faster, they got some speed.

895
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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, Colin, I've been I've looked at

896
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Speaker 1: these things before. When you are counting on third round

897
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Speaker 1: in fourth round players being starters right away. It works

898
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: for some franchises, it doesn't always work for these guys.

899
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: And that's what they were trying to do. I mean

900
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: they're they're literally needing and you know what they're telling you,

901
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: what Stephen and Jerry are telling you, is we don't

902
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: have the money. We just signed this quarterback. And you

903
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: do a great job of talking about contract stuff. You

904
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: understand all that they just put a huge amount of

905
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: money in one position. And what they said leading into

906
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: this draft almost like an NBA team or something. We

907
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: gotta hit on all of these guys, and this is

908
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Speaker 1: the future of our defense. So who do they have, Like,

909
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: who's their big stunt on defense? Thank Lawrence, and then

910
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: name me another one. You gotta have it be Parsons.

911
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Suddenly you need your number twelve overall pick to be

912
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: your second best defensive player. Who's the leader? Vander Ess

913
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: can't stay healthy, Jayle Smith is just kind of he's

914
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: not very good. Who is your leader other than you

915
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Speaker 1: got Thank Lawrence? You got everybody kind of either retiring

916
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: or heading out this or rook So this is and

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Speaker 1: you've said it before, this is a team that needs

918
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Speaker 1: to go out and score thirty five and forty points

919
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, well, I mean I think Dak this

920
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: morning is the best quarterback. If Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jalen Hurts,

921
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Speaker 1: and Danny Dimes are it. The good news is you've

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Speaker 1: got a super Bowl winning coach, you have the best

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00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: arguably best skill people in the division. You got the

924
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Speaker 1: best quarterback. I mean, you know, I wouldn't have paid

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Speaker 1: Dak forty million, but in the end, I think he's

926
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Speaker 1: the best, most reliable quarterback. Your time of possession goes up.

927
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Speaker 1: I think Dallas is Washington defensively, Dallas offensively. You're gonna

928
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: battle to the end for a playoff spot. I mean,

929
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have some automatic wins. I looked at Dallas

930
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: is the teams that are playing next year. It's not

931
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Speaker 1: that formidable. I guess, listen, somebody always wins a bad division.

932
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Speaker 1: The good news today is Dallas has absolutely got more

933
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: than a puncher's chance to win the worst division in football.

934
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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me. I guess, yeah,

935
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm mister Optimism. They call me mister Optimism around function.

936
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Speaker 1: Oh that's my nicknames, Mister Optimism. I just like, by

937
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Speaker 1: the way, how are you. I like this format. I

938
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: like just be able to talk to you for a

939
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: little while. I feel like I'm letting too much sun

940
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: come in. Oh. Ed Werder and I have like a

941
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: green screen and stuff behind us, but we still we

942
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: still had us. We still haven't figured out like how

943
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: to use it. We still just do it audio only.

944
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: But boy, I like I like being able to see you.

945
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: I like what we're doing here, and I like the

946
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: fact you're not trying to well. Your TV people are

947
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: always like, we got a hard break, stop talking. This

948
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: is nice. This is the podcast world is very nice.

949
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: I like this. Yeah. People people ask me, Matt, they

950
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: say why are you doing a podcast? Yeah? And I

951
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: always say this people, oh, you're trying to sell it,

952
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: and I think, I like, no, no, no. The bottom

953
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Speaker 1: line here, everything I do in my life I have

954
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: to fit into a box. I can pour a cocktail,

955
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I can shoot the ship, I can talk with you.

956
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: If I drop an fbomb, nobody gets fired. We could

957
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: go an hour and a half. The bottom line is,

958
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: this is the future of broadcasting what we're doing. So

959
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: it's like to me, once that pandemic hit, I was

960
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: like Wow. I don't want to be boxed in as much.

961
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: So I love the companies I work at, but this

962
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: is just a third company where I own it and

963
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: I can It's much more relaxed, yes, and I think

964
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: you get you get better answers from people when they're relaxed.

965
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: So I got to get out of here. Bill Polian

966
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: and you were great guests today. I'm gonna call you tomorrow.

967
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: I have to go to the hospital and get blood

968
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: work because you've gotten a bike rack and I had

969
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: a damn blood clot, so shit Breakshyn't you hit my age?

970
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: You know well, and I'm much younger obviously, but I had.

971
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Speaker 1: I had a bad bike accident in the Fox family

972
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Speaker 1: and you were there for me. So I appreciate that.

973
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Speaker 1: And now I'm like, I've weaned myself six months after surgery.

974
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Speaker 1: I'm now weaning myself off the pain meds, which I

975
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: think I'm better on pain meds. I'm better on TV,

976
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: but I'm getting off the pain med So it's good.

977
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Speaker 1: It's good. You look great. We'll talk soon, Matt. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, buddy, thank you for having me. I

979
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, folks, you know the drill at

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Speaker 1: the volume sports on Twitter and Instagram, rate review, subscribe.

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