WEBVTT - Tony's Big Announcement

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>Toenday Pacific one Eastern. We got a lot to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today. It is Thursday on this show, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what that means. Last night aw Dynamite and without

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<v Speaker 1>saying it, they pretty much told you we're announcing a

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday show next Wednesday. I'm gonna tell you about everything

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<v Speaker 1>we know. Talked about it a lot yesterday. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of new information today, but Tony did announce a

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<v Speaker 1>big announcement and uh yeah, it's gonna be a big

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<v Speaker 1>one one way the other. Even if it's even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's only we have a new two hour show on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, that's still a pretty damn big announcement. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got notes on the upcoming Wembley show and will Ospray,

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<v Speaker 1>as Dave talked about last night on wrestling Observer Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>Edge talks about the new World Heavyweight title, what he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to do. He's got some plans, the trainer of

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Bunny for the San Juan Street fight. The NXT

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<v Speaker 1>ratings from Tuesday night, and it's interesting actually because NBA

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<v Speaker 1>and NHL competition was very strong for SmackDown and for Raw,

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<v Speaker 1>and for NXT. SmackDown pretty much got killed based on

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<v Speaker 1>what SmackDown normally does, and Raw had to do an

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<v Speaker 1>entire first round of a world championship tournament to do fine.

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<v Speaker 1>On Monday night it was all right, and uh, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, NXT did the second highest audience total since

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty eighth. So these NXT fans are loyal, as

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<v Speaker 1>I can attest to. And of course we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>full report from Dynamite, where in fact, that absolutely despicable,

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting human being Don Kallas did a horrible thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the main Evans, although maybe it wasn't so horrible back

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment Observer Live, you would be. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>the other pawns in between and the cool, cool morning

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<v Speaker 1>turn the days of Slam.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll stay living right is easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the show, Bright Alberz here Wrestling Observer Live

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<v Speaker 1>m sumber BB also Wrestling Observer dot com. Well Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Kahn appeared on Dynamite type of an announcement that will

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<v Speaker 1>take place next week on TNT. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you have heard. He appeared on Dynamite Wednesday, said that

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<v Speaker 1>based on all the talent literally lining up backstage, he

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<v Speaker 1>said it was clearer than ever that AW could produce

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<v Speaker 1>even more content. Therefore, he said stay tuned to TNT

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<v Speaker 1>next week as a huge announcement would take place. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that Dynamite next week will also follow up on

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<v Speaker 1>quote one of the most important announcements ever in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of AW. So we had the return of Miro.

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<v Speaker 1>Miro showed up and walked into Tony Khan's office. Thunder

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<v Speaker 1>Roses showed up, walked into Tony Khan's office, and this

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<v Speaker 1>led to the comment that people were lining up. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned yesterday, next Wednesday, they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>announce AW Collision Saturday nights. I believe eight to ten.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be starting in June. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>as close to one hundred percent confirmed as you can

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<v Speaker 1>confirm without it actually being announced. Yet that's for sure

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen Now they've believes that they have signed

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<v Speaker 1>a new television deal, and I'm talking a new television deal.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a lot of time left on their current

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<v Speaker 1>television deal, but if you recall when AW kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, they lasted about four months and then

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<v Speaker 1>WBDS just tore up that contract and gave them a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new contract. And Dave says, that's what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is not continuing on with that Dynamite contract

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<v Speaker 1>and then adding Collision. It's like everything's being thrown out

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<v Speaker 1>the window, and they've got a new deal which will

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<v Speaker 1>include obviously Dynamite, Collision page and exclusivity for the AW programming,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not including Ring of Honor. Now, as we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about yesterday, there's a lot of rumors on the internet

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<v Speaker 1>that they have achieved a one billion dollar deal over

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<v Speaker 1>five years. Now, this is what I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Okay, their old deal, as we talked about yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>was about forty million a year for three years and

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<v Speaker 1>then fifty five million for the fourth year. That was

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<v Speaker 1>what the deal was going to be. So basically it

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<v Speaker 1>was a forty million dollar television deal. So to get

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<v Speaker 1>a billion over five years, they would have to go

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<v Speaker 1>from essentially forty it would be fifty five either this

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<v Speaker 1>year or next year. I think it's next year, but regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have to go from that to two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million over the course of five years. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, WWE's deal for Rod's SmackDown was I think

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<v Speaker 1>one point two billion, So for Dynamite and Collision, they

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<v Speaker 1>would essentially be getting almost exactly very close to the

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<v Speaker 1>same deal that WWE got for Raw SmackDown and NXT

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, So that seems like a pretty excessive number.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, from talking to people, the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody in aw knows anything. Tony is not telling

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<v Speaker 1>anybody anything about anything, to the best of my knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you if you hear from people within WBD,

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<v Speaker 1>they also you know, they they know obviously about Collision

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<v Speaker 1>and everything that's being announced. But you know, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is not everybody obviously, because I think that actually Tony

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<v Speaker 1>is now negotiating with like the very top guy in

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<v Speaker 1>all of WBD. So here's what I think is possible

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<v Speaker 1>given these these billion dollar rumors. If if AEW has

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<v Speaker 1>made a deal with WBD where they are renewing Dynamite

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<v Speaker 1>in an increased amount. They are adding Collision. Obviously they're

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<v Speaker 1>still Rampage. And also WBD will be taking possession of

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<v Speaker 1>the AW tape library for Max and the pay per

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<v Speaker 1>views are going to be moving to Max. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>what this would be is not just a television deal

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<v Speaker 1>but like an overall package, which would basically be what

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<v Speaker 1>WWE is doing for Peacock in terms of pay per

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<v Speaker 1>view in the library. If that's what this deal is here,

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, I can see that being two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million a year over five years. AW would be

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<v Speaker 1>giving them the library, the library would go on Max,

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<v Speaker 1>the pay per views would move from br Live to MAX.

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<v Speaker 1>New deal for a Collision, new deal for dynam That

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<v Speaker 1>is possible that that is this rumored one billion dollar deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to know presumably everything on Wednesday because

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<v Speaker 1>they have a pay per view coming up. And if

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<v Speaker 1>part of the announcement is you know, get HBO Max

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it's called now Max, because that's where double

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<v Speaker 1>or Nothing is, you're pretty much gonna know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what this whole package is all about. So or it

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<v Speaker 1>could just be Collision, I mean, could just be adding Collision,

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<v Speaker 1>and a new deal for Collision, Dynamite and rampages of package.

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<v Speaker 2>We will know.

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<v Speaker 1>More Wednesday, but as of now, aside from the debut

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<v Speaker 1>of Collision, nothing is confirmed at this point. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Steiner can explain economics better than you can.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he can't. I did a perfect job there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you didn't. You tried to divide the number by

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<v Speaker 2>five again, five year deal. If it's a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be two hundred million dollars, not two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty million whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Close enough. Hey, the gist of it is the gist

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<v Speaker 1>of it, you understand. And no, I am better at

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<v Speaker 1>math than Scott Steiner can confirm.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, bottom line is it's going to be big business

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<v Speaker 2>for AW and it provides them a lot of security.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do they sounds like they took those last years

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<v Speaker 2>that they had and just balled them up and threw

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<v Speaker 2>them away. Look at the amount of programming that they're

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<v Speaker 2>now asking for from WBD. Look what they're asking for

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<v Speaker 2>As far as again our assumption that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be putting the entire library up on Max and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to start filtering pay per views through that method.

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<v Speaker 2>As opposed to Bleacher Report and things like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how you cut it, it's a great business

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<v Speaker 2>decision for AW and it provides them some really good

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<v Speaker 2>security at a time where things are shaken right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's another testament to wrestling falling on the side

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<v Speaker 2>of sport in this case then on the entertainment side

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<v Speaker 2>of things, because they are getting paid with their rights

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<v Speaker 2>as if they were a sport. So you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can say a lot about what WWE did, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can say a lot about what Nick con did for

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<v Speaker 2>them when he was negotiating deals and all that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, But this is what they kind of open

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<v Speaker 2>things up to. This is how they made the market

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<v Speaker 2>look at their programming, and in reality AW is benefiting

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<v Speaker 2>from that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I can't wait till it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually a one point twenty five billion dollar deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was right all along.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The problem with this is now there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be people where if they don't get a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a ridiculous amount of money if you really

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, because again they've got to start pushing

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<v Speaker 2>for other things. They've done a lot of cost cutting

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<v Speaker 2>with WBD. They are going to spend some money. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously they have the NBA to look at. They've done

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<v Speaker 2>this deal with AAW. They have other things and other

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<v Speaker 2>irons in the fire they have to pay for. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just going to be interesting to see what AW actually

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<v Speaker 2>gets and what the response is going to be if

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<v Speaker 2>everybody measures everything off of a rumored billion dollar deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I don't like to be a conspiracy theorist,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say that I have not completely eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility that somebody involved with WWE leak this number

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<v Speaker 1>so that the Internet would spend a week getting excited

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<v Speaker 1>about a billion dollar deal and then when it's like

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<v Speaker 1>not a billion dollar deal, or like I knew it,

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<v Speaker 1>what a failure. Mud in the mud. They only got

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<v Speaker 1>a one hundred percent increase instead of a four hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>People to watch Dynamite can't get a billion dollars out

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<v Speaker 2>of the industry. Who's the Kagan of cons It's Nick

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<v Speaker 2>con Tony. You gonna take that? Come on, man, well.

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<v Speaker 1>The way come back. We're talking about Dave's pole. Heated

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<v Speaker 1>a pole? About who I think it was? Who Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Omega should face it at Wembley and uh got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people talking about this pole and will Ospray,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, we're gonna talk about that after the break,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course we got all the other news as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Edge and Brian Kendrick training, Bad Bunny, NXT numbers and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we will finish up today with that aw Dynamite report

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<v Speaker 1>back in a moment observed live in the show. Brain

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<v Speaker 1>Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Simber BB also

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot com. So Dave did a poll who

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<v Speaker 1>should will Ospray face at Wembley and the number one

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<v Speaker 1>response obviously was Kenny Omega and uh fifty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the vote, it's said in his poll. And then

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<v Speaker 1>last night on an Observer Radio, you know, he meant

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<v Speaker 1>that will Ospray is scheduled for the show, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we had an article on the front page about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It said will Osprey to express his desire to perform

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<v Speaker 1>on the August twenty seven of the show during an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with de Zone, Dave noted on Observer Radio Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>Osprey has currently factored into plans for the Big show

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<v Speaker 1>in London. He said will Ospray as of a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days ago, was booked on the show. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not know his opponent, I do not know the match,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was booked on the show. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>hear from people this morning that they were not upset

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<v Speaker 1>at the idea that will Osprey was on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but they pointed out, like, you know, how many people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're on the show. They probably would

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<v Speaker 1>like to know that work for AW, that are AW

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<v Speaker 1>wrestlers that are going to be maybe or maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>performing on this AEW show that sold tickets based on

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<v Speaker 1>being an AW show. And you know, the point was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, sometimes you see, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people always complain with with WrestleMania, where you've got this

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<v Speaker 1>roster and they work hard every year and then WrestleMania

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<v Speaker 1>time comes and you got the Rock or Batista or

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Austin or Undertaker or they bring all these guys

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<v Speaker 1>back and they get all the big spots and those

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<v Speaker 1>spots are not you know, given for the uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>other guys or whatever. Man, Well here's here's my my

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<v Speaker 1>thought of well here's my thought on this, okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>I have I have I have thoughts in all different ways,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're a thinking man. I am a thinking man. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is that they've sold sixty something thousand tickets

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no card announced. Okay, so I am not

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<v Speaker 1>advocating to do like a dark Elevation show. But the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is they've they've they could do

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<v Speaker 1>anything they want on this show. This could be if

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to an all AW show. Here is everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>reward for the last three years, and we're celebrating this

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<v Speaker 1>new deal and everything. So it's nothing but AW people

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the show. We're not bringing in any outsiders.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your AW show. You could do that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the argument for will ospray.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>The argument is that this is not just a show,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the first show in this market and

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<v Speaker 1>it is being used to kickstart the future of AW

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<v Speaker 1>in all of Europe. Okay, now, we don't know right now,

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<v Speaker 1>We have no idea what the broadcast plans are for

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<v Speaker 1>here in the US. Is it going to be on TNT, TBS,

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<v Speaker 1>Is it going to be a streaming show? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to run to pay p reviews on back

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<v Speaker 1>to back weekends. It seems ridiculous that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a house show. I mean, they gotta be doing something

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<v Speaker 1>with it, but we don't know, okay, But Dave strongly

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<v Speaker 1>believes that there is going to be a major European

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<v Speaker 1>television deal for Wembley. And if that is the case,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm pretty sure, I mean, it's it's it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, of course there's going to be. If

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<v Speaker 1>there is going to be a European television deal, then

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<v Speaker 1>what you need. Yeah, this is an AW show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the tickets were sold based on AW coming to Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you want to do is get the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>television audience possible. Who is the biggest available European homegrown

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<v Speaker 1>talent we'll offspring, right, Yeah, the somebody else I'm aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>So so he should doesn't need to be necessarily the

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<v Speaker 1>main event, although you could put him in the main event,

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<v Speaker 1>but he should be in a big, prominent, important match

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<v Speaker 1>on that show because this isn't about how I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it is about how many tickets he sold and everything

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<v Speaker 1>like that, But what this is is we are storming.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not breaking into the market. We're kicking down the

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<v Speaker 1>door of this market and we're gonna try and take over.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if that is the idea, then yeah, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>Will Osprey should be in a major match on this

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<v Speaker 1>show to do everything that you can do to make

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<v Speaker 1>this a European show, a show that people across Europe

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<v Speaker 1>that are wrestling fans are going to watch and get

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<v Speaker 1>behind and blow the whole thing up. People are mentioning Pak.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that for that market, I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue Will Osprey at this point is a bigger star

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<v Speaker 1>than Pawk in that market. Drew. Maybe he's gonna be available,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he won't, we don't know, but you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>of right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, dung Thur and guys like that out of it. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about who is available out there, and you

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<v Speaker 2>look at who are the biggest stars that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have been homegrown there. And again it is pac who

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<v Speaker 2>we have not seen in a while, who will have

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<v Speaker 2>a I'm sure an appearance on that show. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I assume everything is you know, copasetic between both sides,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure he'll be on the show. Well, Osprey

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<v Speaker 2>should be on the show. He's a natural. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>natural because AEW wants him there. He's a natural because

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<v Speaker 2>AW fans want him there. Let's just say even somehow

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<v Speaker 2>something happens where the day after all in his contract

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<v Speaker 2>ends and he walks into WWE, does it affect anything. No,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're gonna have a match with Kenny Omega or

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<v Speaker 2>whoever on that show that is going to be a big,

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<v Speaker 2>big deal, and the fact that it naturally plays in

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<v Speaker 2>the things you already have with Kenny Omega anyway, that

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<v Speaker 2>you already have with your partners in New Japan. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just one of those things that makes sense. And

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<v Speaker 2>for anybody to compla he's got a spot on the

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<v Speaker 2>card or is going to have a prominent position on

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<v Speaker 2>this card is completely missing the point every.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Drew here. Listen, I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>Drew's deal is up. Okay, if his deal is up

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<v Speaker 1>even one day after Wembley, then his name should not

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<v Speaker 1>be mentioned here because there's no chance. I believe there

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<v Speaker 1>is no chance that they are going to release Drew

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<v Speaker 1>McIntyre prior to Wembley. Okay, I just I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend that happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh man, look if this goes for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of matches too, Jamie Hayter, Okay, what do you do

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation? You know she's gonna have a you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course she's gonna be on the shit match.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do it with you know, another homegrown star there?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do it with Page? Do you do it

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<v Speaker 2>with somebody who was born there but is an international star?

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<v Speaker 2>And somebody that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I do? You want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>I do with her?

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<v Speaker 2>Good?

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<v Speaker 1>She beats Jake Cargill and the titles. We don't need

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<v Speaker 1>these two belts, dude. Yeah, I don't need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do that, but you could do that. But look, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a show. You could do something like that

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<v Speaker 2>on build to it, make it a big deal and

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have too much inside the ring as you

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<v Speaker 2>build to it. But I was thinking more along the

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<v Speaker 2>lines of, you know a Julia who I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to take away from stardom if I had my brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm WWE or AW, I would love to have

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<v Speaker 2>Julia there. And you have the Mercedes Monette thing floating

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<v Speaker 2>out there as well too. What would be a bigger

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<v Speaker 2>match for a lot of people than to see the

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<v Speaker 2>former Sasha Banks and Jamie Hayter in front of seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand or whatever fans at Wembley. So you have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things that are going to need to

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<v Speaker 2>fall into place. But like you had said at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>the tickets are already sold, and you do have pay

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<v Speaker 2>per views that you do on a regular basis that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have to build for, including one possibly

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<v Speaker 2>right near there with all out, So you could do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of dream matches and have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun on this show. As long as the crowd gets

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<v Speaker 2>what they want, that's all that's going to matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Edge wants to win the world title and then retire

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<v Speaker 1>after losing it. Join the club. Edge not everyone's deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did say that the title belt looks very

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<v Speaker 1>much like the one that he vacated when he was

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<v Speaker 1>forced to retire twelve years ago, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that one of the main reasons that he was

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<v Speaker 1>compelled to return was he did not get to end

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<v Speaker 1>this thing on his terms. He never got to lose

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<v Speaker 1>that title and then retire, so it would be poetic

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<v Speaker 1>for him to win. Essentially, that's essentially what this belt is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that same belt, new design and everything. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>winning that, having his big run, retiring, losing it first

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody, I mean, I'm not a post to that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not NXT six hundred one thousand viewers, up five

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<v Speaker 1>point eight percent from last week, second highest audience total

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<v Speaker 1>for the show since March twenty eight did a point seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>up to only one point four. It wasn't Tiffany, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>because she was in the first match, So if it

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<v Speaker 1>was Tiffany, it would have fallen off.

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<v Speaker 2>Afterwards when we get the many five minutes, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>find out what happened after she got out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to have been. It had to have done

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<v Speaker 1>well because they did a great number here twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>point four percent in uh in eighteen forty nine. That's

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<v Speaker 1>with NBA and NHL dominating the cable charts. They were

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth highest non sports show of the night. People

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<v Speaker 1>are starting to see the light about this NXT show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it was? Probably Lyra Valko Volkov, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what it was. It was the second out of

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<v Speaker 1>the show was great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it was because Lyra.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how people sat through that first hour though,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another question entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>Waiting on Braun. See if you got tannered by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy's got a great tan brother. Yes, he has a

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<v Speaker 1>call I'm getting one. I've been outside every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Baskets beautiful out there. Now I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. I also have a Kendrick confirming that he helped

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<v Speaker 1>train Bad Bunny, which may have been why he did

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<v Speaker 1>a slice bread number two, although apparently Brian didn't show

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<v Speaker 1>him the part about don't land on your own head. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so there you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go throwing his politics out and whether you're a good

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<v Speaker 2>job training. That's the thing is I mean, from Eva

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<v Speaker 2>Marie to the tough enough contestants to I'm Marie as

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<v Speaker 2>one of the well, but I mean like they use

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<v Speaker 2>him and have used him to with the most again

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<v Speaker 2>with their celebrities and again Bad Bunny his He obviously

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge fan, but he was making faces, he

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<v Speaker 2>was emoting, he was doing everything again his training and whoever,

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<v Speaker 2>which I guess is Brian Kendrick along with some others. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of credit really needs to go to them

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<v Speaker 2>as well as him, because that was an incredible package

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in a moment Observer Live. Back in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Bright Olberz here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Simberbb also of

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot Com. Well, it's time for the Dynamite report.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, have you grabbed your cameo from myself or

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<v Speaker 1>Big Vinnie b We're both available. I am, of course

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<v Speaker 1>at f W online on cameo or just search Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm the first one that comes up. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course you have to type out all Vincent ver

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<v Speaker 1>hie because he didn't come over it all. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>both available. We will wish you well, we will roast you,

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<v Speaker 1>we will do happy happy uh you know, birthdays or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, if you want, you can have them

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<v Speaker 1>bury somebody else such as Oreo the Orca. Vinnie had

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<v Speaker 1>wor words about that darn whale, and you can check

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<v Speaker 1>it out on my Twitter right now at Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely right gets on cameo.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope not I do. I don't want to make

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<v Speaker 1>any money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, he would probably retweet my tweet that

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<v Speaker 2>says Patreon dot com slash mid Atlantic Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, doubtful. He's a very greedy whale. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've nosed or not. He wants it

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<v Speaker 1>to be all about himself all the time. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>I really hate. Now, let's talk about this show. It

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<v Speaker 1>opened with Ray Phoenix and Claudia in a double jeopardy match,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, on the surface, what happened was

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<v Speaker 1>the right champion beat one half of the tag team champions.

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<v Speaker 1>But unlike when we sometimes see this in WWE, where

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<v Speaker 1>in the old days the world champion would be both

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<v Speaker 1>of the tag team champions all by himself, Claudia to fight,

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<v Speaker 1>fight to beat this skuy and they had an outstanding

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<v Speaker 1>match that in fact Claudio eventually won with the Ricola

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<v Speaker 1>baumb So now Claudio and any member of the BCC

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<v Speaker 1>will be getting a championship match against Penta and Phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>for the ROH Tag Team titles.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna sound so mean, and I don't mean

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<v Speaker 2>it too since ROH just got started. And again the

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 2>environment is it's tough right now to stand out. But

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<v Speaker 2>like this is like the greatest nothing happened in title

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<v Speaker 2>reign in the history of wrestling. I mean, these are

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<v Speaker 2>all great matches Claudio's having and it just feels like

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<v Speaker 2>everything is flying right under the radar with Bring of

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<v Speaker 2>Honor right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then we had Miro showing up and walking into

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<v Speaker 1>Tony's office. MGF did a pre tape promo. They had

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<v Speaker 1>one from each of the four pillars, and they all

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<v Speaker 1>gave their thoughts on each other and the upcoming four

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<v Speaker 1>way and he noted I have had the best singles.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, dog Collar match in history, best Iron Man

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<v Speaker 1>match as well. Every great moment has something in common.

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<v Speaker 1>It is me. He vows to win. FTR came out

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<v Speaker 1>for an announcement. Next said, you know, before we get started,

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<v Speaker 1>I owe an apology to someone, So I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>call out Mark Risco. Out came Sanjay and jo, look on.

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Your face just shows you what you know. Imagine you know,

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you being called out to make an apology. That's exactly

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the face you would make right there. You can't even

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>fathom such a thing.

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>And Sanjay says, forget this stupid apology. Are you gonna

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 1>accept our challenge for Las Vegas? So this Dax Fell

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>also likes his polls. He pulled the crowd much like Dave.

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>You guys want this match, and I think they were

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:49.119
<v Speaker 1>expecting the fans to cheer, because the fans booed they

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't want the match. And then Dax goes, I kinda

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>had the feeling you'd said, you know what, I'm gonna accept,

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>but on one condition you have to admit that you were

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>using Mark Brisco to get to us. And so Sanjay says,

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Mark is our friend. So Mark comes out and he says,

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody simmer down, let's all calm down. I talked to

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Tony Khan, and I've got some news. Tony Khan gave

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>me an announcement to announce, and that is that in

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, a double or nothing. It will be FTR

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>versus Jay Lethal and Jeff Jarrett and I Mark Risco

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>will be the special referee. And everybody cheers. He says,

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>I got to keep the piece somehow, So you know what,

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>let's all, let's all do some drinking. So he pours

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>some alcohol in everyone's deal so they can toast. But

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>then Sanjay spits the alcohol into Ftr's eyes. A brawl

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>breaks out. Mark attempts to break it up. Jeff Jareded

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>shoves Mark Brisco into Dax, who can't see because they

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>had Alcohl in his eyes, and he grabs Mark and

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>he gives him a pile driver, and the fans chant,

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you fed up, And dude, I thought this was awesome,

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>simple because listen, we've got a We've got a match

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>where the people love the babyface. They're facing the heels

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and you have a babyface special referee, So right there,

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, you know, that's all great and

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>all because you like the baby faces, but you know

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>what's the drama here? Well, they created drama by having

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Dax accidentally because he was blinded by alcohol, that the

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>heel spin in his eyes give his buddy a pile driver.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I loved this angle. It was so easy.

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>We are living in a world where it is only

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>few of us that want to see FTR and Jeff

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Jarrett and Jay lethal as much as we would like

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.719
<v Speaker 2>to see this match take place with these very simple

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>things take place during a match and actually have them

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>go all a lot further than some of the moves

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and other matches do. I think they're great together. And

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I also think Mark Briscoe should at some point become

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>the director of Authority or some sort of you know,

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>commissioner for AW. I'd like to see him out there

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>instead of Tony Kahan, like, you know, giving directions all

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of the time. His constantly air can be his father,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 2>it would be fantastic.

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>We had the Jericho promo where it was an unprovoked

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>attack on commentary creating an unsafe working environment. I have

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a quarter. If you're in the building, or if I'm

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>in the building, you're banned. And Roderick Strong shows up,

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>says Adam calls one of my best friends. He is

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>not a coward. I'm not banned from the building. I

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>want to face you in a fight falls Count anywhere,

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>unless you're a coward. Jericho says, don't try to make

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>your name off me. I accept the match for next week.

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's booing, proud, booze. Roderick says, I knew you'd say that. Well,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I also got a legal document and that jas is

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>banned from the building. I don't know where this is

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>going to go, okay, but where I want it to

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>go is because it is falls Count anywhere. They brawl

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>out of the building, where Adam Cole can then attack

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Chris Jericho and beat the crap out of him because

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>of course he's banned from the building. But they will

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>be outside the building because it's false canon.

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Gives it a reason for them to jump to this

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>step so quickly. I was wondering why Roderick was so calm,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, being out there considering what they did to Britain. Adam,

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>but then he threw in the thing at the end

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>about having already in his pocket the Jas being banned,

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>so made sense.

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>The ne Rosa shows up, She's gonna talk to Tony Kahan.

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Sammy promo an absolute total babyface promo by Sammy and Ty.

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they'll still be booed, but I mean, dude,

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>if you watch that all Access, they are so likable,

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to bring that here to television. But

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many people watch that show, and

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anyone's going to go for it.

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 2>As entertaining as he's been with Max. You know, after

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, who's a bigger hated figure right now,

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Who's somebody that you want to cheer for more? Jungle

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Boy or Sammy?

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So I could see Jungle Boy going heel.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 2>He should go here.

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I think he'd be better off as a heel. We

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>had Orange Cassidy Daniel Garcia. Actually, first Tony made his

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>announcement of the announcement which is next week. Then we

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>have Orange Cassidy Daniel Garcia for the international title. This

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>was also an excellent match. Orange Cassidy's hanging on by

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a thread but he got a wacky lucha cradle pinned him.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>The look on Garcia's face was just outstanding after he

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>was beaten by a wrestling move, and the ex Caliber

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>told us if this guy had done less sports entertaining,

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>he might have won.

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>He was trying to get the sub at the end.

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about all that come on.

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, the beginning, the first thing he did was he

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted to put his hands in his own pockets. He

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>was joking around from the beginning of this match. They

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>announced the Outcast versus Sheeta Britten Hater for next week.

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of matches they're announcing for TV that

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I figured to be pay per view match. We only

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>got three weeks for the pay per view.

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>You got a big announcement going on, gonna be a

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>big week.

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean this one, that's what I thought was gonna

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>be a pay per view match. And then they also

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>announced Jay White and Ricky Starks for TV. I thought

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that was gonna be a pay per view match. Christian

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and Luchisaurus came out and I talked a lot about

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>this last night. I'll talk more about it tonight, but

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that Christian inadvertently said something he didn't mean

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to say and felt really really bad about it. You

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>think he did this on purpose?

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think yeah, because and I don't think he

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>stuttered like you said if nobody knows what we're talking

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>about on Wrestling Observer Radio when Brian was talking about

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>this with Dave, Yeah, you made it sound like he

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of hesitated and then went on and did his

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>promo and kind of stumbled through it. I was watching

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>it today. I didn't see that at all.

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Now I did say stumbled through it. I said he

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>rushed through it.

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>He rushed through it, and that he rushed off. I

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 2>don't think he seemed thrown off at all. And I

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 2>think with the way that that crowd was nuclear on

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>top of him, I think in hindsight you probably would

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>have said it differently. But he seemed to know what

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about. He went right into talking about

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Brock being invisible right now and Wardlow being there. I

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 2>just think it probably didn't dawn on him and maybe

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>on the people he was talking to, if Arn wasn't

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>directly involved with exactly what he was going to say

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>in this promo, that oh yeah, you know, Arn lost

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>his other son not all that long Ago. I honestly

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 2>don't think that played into his mind at all, and

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it affected him.

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 1>We had a Darby Ellen video package and a Jay

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and Julia Hart No holds barred Julia Hart won. They

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>tried to do a super blex on a chairs but

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>they missed the chairs. But then, you know, you know

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>how wrestling is. When you put a submission on someone

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>on chairs, it's much worse this. Julia Heart's got something, dude,

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling.

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 2>You they both do. And they also shouldn't be in

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>these types of stupid matches. We've already had both of

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>them get hurt, you know, doing spots with tables and

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 2>chairs and off of it. Just it's kind of ridiculous.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of use to both of them.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>They are there again, they are the type of pillars

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>that you don't push all the time, but they're right there.

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.479
<v Speaker 2>They have got to be a lot safer with doing

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 2>these things and just having superfluous crazy matches with these

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>two women just because you can stupid.

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Then we had uh Orange Bendido and the best Friends

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>doing a promo and Uh, I could tell you something

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>funny there, but I only got time. On another day

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it best Friends in Bandido versus the House

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of Black for the trio's titles. So man, I can

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>talk an hour about this one here tonight. I mean,

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I'll just talk about it tonight, right AVI show everybody

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>at Wrestingobserver dot com. You know, I'm trying to sell subscriptions.

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But also I could spend a long time on this

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>cliff note, and you don't have time the cliff note. Yes,

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>they're already spoofing the rules, and at the end of

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>the day, it's like, why did we even have If

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you watch the match, what was even the point of

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>having all of those rules? They just had a match.

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Don't put sparkly things on the big board either, if

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 2>you're doing a spooky match.

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>House a Black one Jungle Boy Today promo. He doesn't

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>like any of these guys, but he's expecting a spectacular match.

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>He's from Hollywood.

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then the main event was Kenny o'megan John

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Moxley cage match, and this was great and they brawl

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>outside first, young Bucks come out to even the odds.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>They finally get in the cage and then it's just

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>puncture wound after puncture wound with a barbed wired chair.

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>There's blood everywhere, there's broken glass. They're absolutely killing each other.

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And finally Kenny goes for the V trigger and breaks

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the entire side of the cage down. And dude, I

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like you know how any surgeries this guy

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 1>had over the last year, and a lot of them

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 1>were his his groin, remember, Yeah, Well, he happened to

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>do it a V trigger and the cage falls down

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and he got stuck between the ring and the cage,

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was gonna be like Rumpel steel skin,

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>just straight up through the middle to the top of

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>his head, torn in half. I don't know how he

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>did not tear every muscle in his body, break his leg, whatever.

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>But Moxley coming out.

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Throws him back into the ring and h and ends

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>up with Omega going for the one winged Angel after

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>almost killing himself, he hits it on the glass. No

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>can't escape, Dad, horrible Don kellis hit pera hideous bastard

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 1>jabbed Kenny with the screwdriver turned on him. If you

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 1>thought the pop on TV the gasp, you should see

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the unedited footage from Fancams. They went nuts, Moxley covered

0:37:58.280 --> 0:37:59.399
<v Speaker 1>and pinned him.

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Seditious and plicitous Don Callous second a moment Observer Live.

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.959
<v Speaker 1>Back in the show. Brian Elbarez here Wrestling Observer Live.

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Mike SPPERBB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Trying to remember

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>if There's ever been a bigger shocked reaction that I've

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 1>heard on an aw show then Callous turning on Kenny

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Omega because people were screaming. They were screaming when this happened,

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's a you can see videos on Twitter of

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, fan cams and the crowd is just it's

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>completely nuts. So he has turned on Kenny, and we

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>shall see where this goes with Takeshta because Takesha is

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>such a beloved character to this audience and don't think

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like he's not gonna be with Kenny Omega. So either

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 1>either Kenny is going to be uh clouding his judgment

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's still kind of like a babyface character, or

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>they're turning him heel, which will be uh, it'll be

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>interesting the great take. Yeah, so.

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Shall oh my god, oh no. Don Callus is the

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>worst of the worst, and he made one of the

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>worst comparisons in the world when he compared himself and

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Kenny Omega to Bobby the Brain Heenan and the great

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Nick Bockwinkle. I can only imagine him fancying himself now

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<v Speaker 2>as a Gary Hart, somebody devious like that, another bald

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<v Speaker 2>headed genius, although Don Callus is no bald headed genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Takeshta be warrier of anything that man says. You saw

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<v Speaker 2>what he did to Kenny or.

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<v Speaker 1>At a time, Everybody, I got a lot to say

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<v Speaker 1>about both these shows tonight, Bryan I any show only

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<v Speaker 1>for subscribers at Wrestling of his dot com or video

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<v Speaker 1>dot for online dot com. Lots and lots of notes

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<v Speaker 1>on Dynamite and NXT. So check it out tonight, either

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<v Speaker 1>via podcast or live at nine Pacific midnight Eastern. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, everybody. We'll talk to you again after a while.

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