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Speaker 1: Toenday Pacific one Eastern. We got a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about today. It is Thursday on this show, and you
Speaker 1: know what that means. Last night aw Dynamite and without
Speaker 1: saying it, they pretty much told you we're announcing a
Speaker 1: Saturday show next Wednesday. I'm gonna tell you about everything
Speaker 1: we know. Talked about it a lot yesterday. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of new information today, but Tony did announce a
Speaker 1: big announcement and uh yeah, it's gonna be a big
Speaker 1: one one way the other. Even if it's even if
Speaker 1: it's only we have a new two hour show on
Speaker 1: Saturday night, that's still a pretty damn big announcement. We've
Speaker 1: got notes on the upcoming Wembley show and will Ospray,
Speaker 1: as Dave talked about last night on wrestling Observer Radio,
Speaker 1: Edge talks about the new World Heavyweight title, what he
Speaker 1: wants to do. He's got some plans, the trainer of
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny for the San Juan Street fight. The NXT
Speaker 1: ratings from Tuesday night, and it's interesting actually because NBA
Speaker 1: and NHL competition was very strong for SmackDown and for Raw,
Speaker 1: and for NXT. SmackDown pretty much got killed based on
Speaker 1: what SmackDown normally does, and Raw had to do an
Speaker 1: entire first round of a world championship tournament to do fine.
Speaker 1: On Monday night it was all right, and uh, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, NXT did the second highest audience total since
Speaker 1: March twenty eighth. So these NXT fans are loyal, as
Speaker 1: I can attest to. And of course we've got the
Speaker 1: full report from Dynamite, where in fact, that absolutely despicable,
Speaker 1: disgusting human being Don Kallas did a horrible thing in
Speaker 1: the main Evans, although maybe it wasn't so horrible back
Speaker 1: in the moment Observer Live, you would be. We'll be
Speaker 1: the other pawns in between and the cool, cool morning
Speaker 1: turn the days of Slam.
Speaker 2: I'll stay living right is easy.
Speaker 1: Back in the show, Bright Alberz here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: m sumber BB also Wrestling Observer dot com. Well Tony
Speaker 1: Kahn appeared on Dynamite type of an announcement that will
Speaker 1: take place next week on TNT. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have heard. He appeared on Dynamite Wednesday, said that
Speaker 1: based on all the talent literally lining up backstage, he
Speaker 1: said it was clearer than ever that AW could produce
Speaker 1: even more content. Therefore, he said stay tuned to TNT
Speaker 1: next week as a huge announcement would take place. He
Speaker 1: said that Dynamite next week will also follow up on
Speaker 1: quote one of the most important announcements ever in the
Speaker 1: history of AW. So we had the return of Miro.
Speaker 1: Miro showed up and walked into Tony Khan's office. Thunder
Speaker 1: Roses showed up, walked into Tony Khan's office, and this
Speaker 1: led to the comment that people were lining up. So,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned yesterday, next Wednesday, they are going to
Speaker 1: announce AW Collision Saturday nights. I believe eight to ten.
Speaker 1: It will be starting in June. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: as close to one hundred percent confirmed as you can
Speaker 1: confirm without it actually being announced. Yet that's for sure
Speaker 1: going to happen Now they've believes that they have signed
Speaker 1: a new television deal, and I'm talking a new television deal.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of time left on their current
Speaker 1: television deal, but if you recall when AW kicked off
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, they lasted about four months and then
Speaker 1: WBDS just tore up that contract and gave them a
Speaker 1: brand new contract. And Dave says, that's what's happening here.
Speaker 1: So it is not continuing on with that Dynamite contract
Speaker 1: and then adding Collision. It's like everything's being thrown out
Speaker 1: the window, and they've got a new deal which will
Speaker 1: include obviously Dynamite, Collision page and exclusivity for the AW programming,
Speaker 1: obviously not including Ring of Honor. Now, as we talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday, there's a lot of rumors on the internet
Speaker 1: that they have achieved a one billion dollar deal over
Speaker 1: five years. Now, this is what I can tell you
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, their old deal, as we talked about yesterday,
Speaker 1: was about forty million a year for three years and
Speaker 1: then fifty five million for the fourth year. That was
Speaker 1: what the deal was going to be. So basically it
Speaker 1: was a forty million dollar television deal. So to get
Speaker 1: a billion over five years, they would have to go
Speaker 1: from essentially forty it would be fifty five either this
Speaker 1: year or next year. I think it's next year, but regardless,
Speaker 1: they would have to go from that to two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million over the course of five years. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, WWE's deal for Rod's SmackDown was I think
Speaker 1: one point two billion, So for Dynamite and Collision, they
Speaker 1: would essentially be getting almost exactly very close to the
Speaker 1: same deal that WWE got for Raw SmackDown and NXT
Speaker 1: by the way, So that seems like a pretty excessive number.
Speaker 1: And you know, from talking to people, the thing is
Speaker 1: like nobody in aw knows anything. Tony is not telling
Speaker 1: anybody anything about anything, to the best of my knowledge.
Speaker 1: And if you if you hear from people within WBD,
Speaker 1: they also you know, they they know obviously about Collision
Speaker 1: and everything that's being announced. But you know, and this
Speaker 1: is not everybody obviously, because I think that actually Tony
Speaker 1: is now negotiating with like the very top guy in
Speaker 1: all of WBD. So here's what I think is possible
Speaker 1: given these these billion dollar rumors. If if AEW has
Speaker 1: made a deal with WBD where they are renewing Dynamite
Speaker 1: in an increased amount. They are adding Collision. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: still Rampage. And also WBD will be taking possession of
Speaker 1: the AW tape library for Max and the pay per
Speaker 1: views are going to be moving to Max. So basically
Speaker 1: what this would be is not just a television deal
Speaker 1: but like an overall package, which would basically be what
Speaker 1: WWE is doing for Peacock in terms of pay per
Speaker 1: view in the library. If that's what this deal is here,
Speaker 1: then yeah, I can see that being two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million a year over five years. AW would be
Speaker 1: giving them the library, the library would go on Max,
Speaker 1: the pay per views would move from br Live to MAX.
Speaker 1: New deal for a Collision, new deal for dynam That
Speaker 1: is possible that that is this rumored one billion dollar deal.
Speaker 1: So we're going to know presumably everything on Wednesday because
Speaker 1: they have a pay per view coming up. And if
Speaker 1: part of the announcement is you know, get HBO Max
Speaker 1: or whatever it's called now Max, because that's where double
Speaker 1: or Nothing is, you're pretty much gonna know that that's
Speaker 1: what this whole package is all about. So or it
Speaker 1: could just be Collision, I mean, could just be adding Collision,
Speaker 1: and a new deal for Collision, Dynamite and rampages of package.
Speaker 2: We will know.
Speaker 1: More Wednesday, but as of now, aside from the debut
Speaker 1: of Collision, nothing is confirmed at this point. So that's
Speaker 1: the announcement.
Speaker 2: Scott Steiner can explain economics better than you can.
Speaker 1: No, he can't. I did a perfect job there.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't. You tried to divide the number by
Speaker 2: five again, five year deal. If it's a billion dollars,
Speaker 2: that would be two hundred million dollars, not two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty million whatever.
Speaker 1: Close enough. Hey, the gist of it is the gist
Speaker 1: of it, you understand. And no, I am better at
Speaker 1: math than Scott Steiner can confirm.
Speaker 2: Hey, bottom line is it's going to be big business
Speaker 2: for AW and it provides them a lot of security.
Speaker 2: Now do they sounds like they took those last years
Speaker 2: that they had and just balled them up and threw
Speaker 2: them away. Look at the amount of programming that they're
Speaker 2: now asking for from WBD. Look what they're asking for
Speaker 2: As far as again our assumption that they're going to
Speaker 2: be putting the entire library up on Max and they're
Speaker 2: going to start filtering pay per views through that method.
Speaker 2: As opposed to Bleacher Report and things like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: no matter how you cut it, it's a great business
Speaker 2: decision for AW and it provides them some really good
Speaker 2: security at a time where things are shaken right now.
Speaker 2: And it's another testament to wrestling falling on the side
Speaker 2: of sport in this case then on the entertainment side
Speaker 2: of things, because they are getting paid with their rights
Speaker 2: as if they were a sport. So you know, you
Speaker 2: can say a lot about what WWE did, and you
Speaker 2: can say a lot about what Nick con did for
Speaker 2: them when he was negotiating deals and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, But this is what they kind of open
Speaker 2: things up to. This is how they made the market
Speaker 2: look at their programming, and in reality AW is benefiting
Speaker 2: from that.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait till it turns out that
Speaker 1: it's actually a one point twenty five billion dollar deal.
Speaker 1: And I was right all along.
Speaker 2: You know. The problem with this is now there's going
Speaker 2: to be people where if they don't get a billion dollars,
Speaker 2: which is a ridiculous amount of money if you really
Speaker 2: think about it, because again they've got to start pushing
Speaker 2: for other things. They've done a lot of cost cutting
Speaker 2: with WBD. They are going to spend some money. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously they have the NBA to look at. They've done
Speaker 2: this deal with AAW. They have other things and other
Speaker 2: irons in the fire they have to pay for. It's
Speaker 2: just going to be interesting to see what AW actually
Speaker 2: gets and what the response is going to be if
Speaker 2: everybody measures everything off of a rumored billion dollar deal.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't like to be a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: but I will say that I have not completely eliminated
Speaker 1: the possibility that somebody involved with WWE leak this number
Speaker 1: so that the Internet would spend a week getting excited
Speaker 1: about a billion dollar deal and then when it's like
Speaker 1: not a billion dollar deal, or like I knew it,
Speaker 1: what a failure. Mud in the mud. They only got
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent increase instead of a four hundred percent.
Speaker 2: People to watch Dynamite can't get a billion dollars out
Speaker 2: of the industry. Who's the Kagan of cons It's Nick
Speaker 2: con Tony. You gonna take that? Come on, man, well.
Speaker 1: The way come back. We're talking about Dave's pole. Heated
Speaker 1: a pole? About who I think it was? Who Kenny
Speaker 1: Omega should face it at Wembley and uh got a
Speaker 1: lot of people talking about this pole and will Ospray,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna talk about that after the break,
Speaker 1: and of course we got all the other news as well,
Speaker 1: Edge and Brian Kendrick training, Bad Bunny, NXT numbers and yes,
Speaker 1: we will finish up today with that aw Dynamite report
Speaker 1: back in a moment observed live in the show. Brain
Speaker 1: Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Simber BB also
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot com. So Dave did a poll who
Speaker 1: should will Ospray face at Wembley and the number one
Speaker 1: response obviously was Kenny Omega and uh fifty three percent
Speaker 1: of the vote, it's said in his poll. And then
Speaker 1: last night on an Observer Radio, you know, he meant
Speaker 1: that will Ospray is scheduled for the show, and then
Speaker 1: we had an article on the front page about it.
Speaker 1: It said will Osprey to express his desire to perform
Speaker 1: on the August twenty seven of the show during an
Speaker 1: interview with de Zone, Dave noted on Observer Radio Wednesday
Speaker 1: Osprey has currently factored into plans for the Big show
Speaker 1: in London. He said will Ospray as of a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago, was booked on the show. I do
Speaker 1: not know his opponent, I do not know the match,
Speaker 1: but he was booked on the show. So I did
Speaker 1: hear from people this morning that they were not upset
Speaker 1: at the idea that will Osprey was on the show,
Speaker 1: but they pointed out, like, you know, how many people
Speaker 1: don't know if they're on the show. They probably would
Speaker 1: like to know that work for AW, that are AW
Speaker 1: wrestlers that are going to be maybe or maybe not
Speaker 1: performing on this AEW show that sold tickets based on
Speaker 1: being an AW show. And you know, the point was
Speaker 1: kind of you know, sometimes you see, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: people always complain with with WrestleMania, where you've got this
Speaker 1: roster and they work hard every year and then WrestleMania
Speaker 1: time comes and you got the Rock or Batista or
Speaker 1: Steve Austin or Undertaker or they bring all these guys
Speaker 1: back and they get all the big spots and those
Speaker 1: spots are not you know, given for the uh, the
Speaker 1: other guys or whatever. Man, Well here's here's my my
Speaker 1: thought of well here's my thought on this, okay, because
Speaker 1: I have I have I have thoughts in all different ways,
Speaker 1: So you're a thinking man. I am a thinking man. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: the reality is that they've sold sixty something thousand tickets
Speaker 1: and there's no card announced. Okay, so I am not
Speaker 1: advocating to do like a dark Elevation show. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is they've they've they could do
Speaker 1: anything they want on this show. This could be if
Speaker 1: they wanted to an all AW show. Here is everyone's
Speaker 1: reward for the last three years, and we're celebrating this
Speaker 1: new deal and everything. So it's nothing but AW people
Speaker 1: up and down the show. We're not bringing in any outsiders.
Speaker 1: This is your AW show. You could do that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now here's the argument for will ospray.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: The argument is that this is not just a show,
Speaker 1: but this is the first show in this market and
Speaker 1: it is being used to kickstart the future of AW
Speaker 1: in all of Europe. Okay, now, we don't know right now,
Speaker 1: We have no idea what the broadcast plans are for
Speaker 1: here in the US. Is it going to be on TNT, TBS,
Speaker 1: Is it going to be a streaming show? Are they
Speaker 1: actually going to run to pay p reviews on back
Speaker 1: to back weekends. It seems ridiculous that it would be
Speaker 1: a house show. I mean, they gotta be doing something
Speaker 1: with it, but we don't know, okay, But Dave strongly
Speaker 1: believes that there is going to be a major European
Speaker 1: television deal for Wembley. And if that is the case,
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure, I mean, it's it's it's almost
Speaker 1: like you know, of course there's going to be. If
Speaker 1: there is going to be a European television deal, then
Speaker 1: what you need. Yeah, this is an AW show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tickets were sold based on AW coming to Europe.
Speaker 1: But what you want to do is get the biggest
Speaker 1: television audience possible. Who is the biggest available European homegrown
Speaker 1: talent we'll offspring, right, Yeah, the somebody else I'm aware of.
Speaker 1: So so he should doesn't need to be necessarily the
Speaker 1: main event, although you could put him in the main event,
Speaker 1: but he should be in a big, prominent, important match
Speaker 1: on that show because this isn't about how I mean,
Speaker 1: it is about how many tickets he sold and everything
Speaker 1: like that, But what this is is we are storming.
Speaker 1: We're not breaking into the market. We're kicking down the
Speaker 1: door of this market and we're gonna try and take over.
Speaker 1: And so if that is the idea, then yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: Will Osprey should be in a major match on this
Speaker 1: show to do everything that you can do to make
Speaker 1: this a European show, a show that people across Europe
Speaker 1: that are wrestling fans are going to watch and get
Speaker 1: behind and blow the whole thing up. People are mentioning Pak.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that for that market, I would
Speaker 1: argue Will Osprey at this point is a bigger star
Speaker 1: than Pawk in that market. Drew. Maybe he's gonna be available,
Speaker 1: maybe he won't, we don't know, but you know, as
Speaker 1: of right.
Speaker 2: Now, dung Thur and guys like that out of it. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we're talking about who is available out there, and you
Speaker 2: look at who are the biggest stars that are you know,
Speaker 2: have been homegrown there. And again it is pac who
Speaker 2: we have not seen in a while, who will have
Speaker 2: a I'm sure an appearance on that show. I mean
Speaker 2: I assume everything is you know, copasetic between both sides,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure he'll be on the show. Well, Osprey
Speaker 2: should be on the show. He's a natural. He's a
Speaker 2: natural because AEW wants him there. He's a natural because
Speaker 2: AW fans want him there. Let's just say even somehow
Speaker 2: something happens where the day after all in his contract
Speaker 2: ends and he walks into WWE, does it affect anything. No,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna have a match with Kenny Omega or
Speaker 2: whoever on that show that is going to be a big,
Speaker 2: big deal, and the fact that it naturally plays in
Speaker 2: the things you already have with Kenny Omega anyway, that
Speaker 2: you already have with your partners in New Japan. So again,
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things that makes sense. And
Speaker 2: for anybody to compla he's got a spot on the
Speaker 2: card or is going to have a prominent position on
Speaker 2: this card is completely missing the point every.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Drew here. Listen, I don't know when
Speaker 1: Drew's deal is up. Okay, if his deal is up
Speaker 1: even one day after Wembley, then his name should not
Speaker 1: be mentioned here because there's no chance. I believe there
Speaker 1: is no chance that they are going to release Drew
Speaker 1: McIntyre prior to Wembley. Okay, I just I can't even
Speaker 1: comprehend that happening.
Speaker 2: So oh man, look if this goes for a lot
Speaker 2: of matches too, Jamie Hayter, Okay, what do you do
Speaker 2: in that situation? You know she's gonna have a you know.
Speaker 1: Of course she's gonna be on the shit match.
Speaker 2: Do you do it with you know, another homegrown star there?
Speaker 2: Do you do it with Page? Do you do it
Speaker 2: with somebody who was born there but is an international star?
Speaker 2: And somebody that.
Speaker 1: You know what I do? You want to know what
Speaker 1: I do with her?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: She beats Jake Cargill and the titles. We don't need
Speaker 1: these two belts, dude. Yeah, I don't need to.
Speaker 2: Do that, but you could do that. But look, that
Speaker 2: would be a show. You could do something like that
Speaker 2: on build to it, make it a big deal and
Speaker 2: just don't have too much inside the ring as you
Speaker 2: build to it. But I was thinking more along the
Speaker 2: lines of, you know a Julia who I would love
Speaker 2: to take away from stardom if I had my brothers,
Speaker 2: if I'm WWE or AW, I would love to have
Speaker 2: Julia there. And you have the Mercedes Monette thing floating
Speaker 2: out there as well too. What would be a bigger
Speaker 2: match for a lot of people than to see the
Speaker 2: former Sasha Banks and Jamie Hayter in front of seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand or whatever fans at Wembley. So you have
Speaker 2: a lot of things that are going to need to
Speaker 2: fall into place. But like you had said at the beginning,
Speaker 2: the tickets are already sold, and you do have pay
Speaker 2: per views that you do on a regular basis that
Speaker 2: you're going to have to build for, including one possibly
Speaker 2: right near there with all out, So you could do
Speaker 2: a lot of dream matches and have a lot of
Speaker 2: fun on this show. As long as the crowd gets
Speaker 2: what they want, that's all that's going to matter.
Speaker 1: Edge wants to win the world title and then retire
Speaker 1: after losing it. Join the club. Edge not everyone's deal,
Speaker 1: but he did say that the title belt looks very
Speaker 1: much like the one that he vacated when he was
Speaker 1: forced to retire twelve years ago, and that was a
Speaker 1: thing that one of the main reasons that he was
Speaker 1: compelled to return was he did not get to end
Speaker 1: this thing on his terms. He never got to lose
Speaker 1: that title and then retire, so it would be poetic
Speaker 1: for him to win. Essentially, that's essentially what this belt is.
Speaker 1: It's that same belt, new design and everything. But you know,
Speaker 1: winning that, having his big run, retiring, losing it first
Speaker 1: to somebody, I mean, I'm not a post to that idea.
Speaker 1: Why not NXT six hundred one thousand viewers, up five
Speaker 1: point eight percent from last week, second highest audience total
Speaker 1: for the show since March twenty eight did a point seventeen,
Speaker 1: up to only one point four. It wasn't Tiffany, dude,
Speaker 1: because she was in the first match, So if it
Speaker 1: was Tiffany, it would have fallen off.
Speaker 2: Afterwards when we get the many five minutes, we're gonna
Speaker 2: find out what happened after she got out of there.
Speaker 1: It had to have been. It had to have done
Speaker 1: well because they did a great number here twenty one
Speaker 1: point four percent in uh in eighteen forty nine. That's
Speaker 1: with NBA and NHL dominating the cable charts. They were
Speaker 1: the fourth highest non sports show of the night. People
Speaker 1: are starting to see the light about this NXT show.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening.
Speaker 2: You know what it was? Probably Lyra Valko Volkov, you.
Speaker 1: Know what it was. It was the second out of
Speaker 1: the show was great.
Speaker 2: That's what it was because Lyra.
Speaker 1: I don't know how people sat through that first hour though,
Speaker 1: that's another question entirely.
Speaker 2: Waiting on Braun. See if you got tannered by the
Speaker 2: end of the episode.
Speaker 1: Guy's got a great tan brother. Yes, he has a
Speaker 1: call I'm getting one. I've been outside every day.
Speaker 2: Baskets beautiful out there. Now I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Yes. I also have a Kendrick confirming that he helped
Speaker 1: train Bad Bunny, which may have been why he did
Speaker 1: a slice bread number two, although apparently Brian didn't show
Speaker 1: him the part about don't land on your own head. Well,
Speaker 1: so there you.
Speaker 2: Go throwing his politics out and whether you're a good
Speaker 2: job training. That's the thing is I mean, from Eva
Speaker 2: Marie to the tough enough contestants to I'm Marie as
Speaker 2: one of the well, but I mean like they use
Speaker 2: him and have used him to with the most again
Speaker 2: with their celebrities and again Bad Bunny his He obviously
Speaker 2: is a huge fan, but he was making faces, he
Speaker 2: was emoting, he was doing everything again his training and whoever,
Speaker 2: which I guess is Brian Kendrick along with some others. Again,
Speaker 2: a lot of credit really needs to go to them
Speaker 2: as well as him, because that was an incredible package
Speaker 2: for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment Observer Live. Back in the show,
Speaker 1: Bright Olberz here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Simberbb also of
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot Com. Well, it's time for the Dynamite report.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely right gets on cameo.
Speaker 1: I hope not I do. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: any money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he would probably retweet my tweet that
Speaker 2: says Patreon dot com slash mid Atlantic Podcast.
Speaker 1: But you know, doubtful. He's a very greedy whale. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've nosed or not. He wants it
Speaker 1: to be all about himself all the time. One thing
Speaker 1: I really hate. Now, let's talk about this show. It
Speaker 1: opened with Ray Phoenix and Claudia in a double jeopardy match,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, on the surface, what happened was
Speaker 1: the right champion beat one half of the tag team champions.
Speaker 1: But unlike when we sometimes see this in WWE, where
Speaker 1: in the old days the world champion would be both
Speaker 1: of the tag team champions all by himself, Claudia to fight,
Speaker 1: fight to beat this skuy and they had an outstanding
Speaker 1: match that in fact Claudio eventually won with the Ricola
Speaker 1: baumb So now Claudio and any member of the BCC
Speaker 1: will be getting a championship match against Penta and Phoenix
Speaker 1: for the ROH Tag Team titles.
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound so mean, and I don't mean
Speaker 2: it too since ROH just got started. And again the
Speaker 2: environment is it's tough right now to stand out. But
Speaker 2: like this is like the greatest nothing happened in title
Speaker 2: reign in the history of wrestling. I mean, these are
Speaker 2: all great matches Claudio's having and it just feels like
Speaker 2: everything is flying right under the radar with Bring of
Speaker 2: Honor right now.
Speaker 1: Well, then we had Miro showing up and walking into
Speaker 1: Tony's office. MGF did a pre tape promo. They had
Speaker 1: one from each of the four pillars, and they all
Speaker 1: gave their thoughts on each other and the upcoming four
Speaker 1: way and he noted I have had the best singles.
Speaker 1: He said, dog Collar match in history, best Iron Man
Speaker 1: match as well. Every great moment has something in common.
Speaker 1: It is me. He vows to win. FTR came out
Speaker 1: for an announcement. Next said, you know, before we get started,
Speaker 1: I owe an apology to someone, So I'd like to
Speaker 1: call out Mark Risco. Out came Sanjay and jo, look on.
Speaker 2: Your face just shows you what you know. Imagine you know,
Speaker 2: you being called out to make an apology. That's exactly
Speaker 2: the face you would make right there. You can't even
Speaker 2: fathom such a thing.
Speaker 1: And Sanjay says, forget this stupid apology. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: accept our challenge for Las Vegas? So this Dax Fell
Speaker 1: also likes his polls. He pulled the crowd much like Dave.
Speaker 1: You guys want this match, and I think they were
Speaker 1: expecting the fans to cheer, because the fans booed they
Speaker 1: didn't want the match. And then Dax goes, I kinda
Speaker 1: had the feeling you'd said, you know what, I'm gonna accept,
Speaker 1: but on one condition you have to admit that you were
Speaker 1: using Mark Brisco to get to us. And so Sanjay says,
Speaker 1: Mark is our friend. So Mark comes out and he says,
Speaker 1: everybody simmer down, let's all calm down. I talked to
Speaker 1: Tony Khan, and I've got some news. Tony Khan gave
Speaker 1: me an announcement to announce, and that is that in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, a double or nothing. It will be FTR
Speaker 1: versus Jay Lethal and Jeff Jarrett and I Mark Risco
Speaker 1: will be the special referee. And everybody cheers. He says,
Speaker 1: I got to keep the piece somehow, So you know what,
Speaker 1: let's all, let's all do some drinking. So he pours
Speaker 1: some alcohol in everyone's deal so they can toast. But
Speaker 1: then Sanjay spits the alcohol into Ftr's eyes. A brawl
Speaker 1: breaks out. Mark attempts to break it up. Jeff Jareded
Speaker 1: shoves Mark Brisco into Dax, who can't see because they
Speaker 1: had Alcohl in his eyes, and he grabs Mark and
Speaker 1: he gives him a pile driver, and the fans chant,
Speaker 1: you fed up, And dude, I thought this was awesome,
Speaker 1: simple because listen, we've got a We've got a match
Speaker 1: where the people love the babyface. They're facing the heels
Speaker 1: and you have a babyface special referee, So right there,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, that's all great and
Speaker 1: all because you like the baby faces, but you know
Speaker 1: what's the drama here? Well, they created drama by having
Speaker 1: Dax accidentally because he was blinded by alcohol, that the
Speaker 1: heel spin in his eyes give his buddy a pile driver.
Speaker 1: I loved this angle. It was so easy.
Speaker 2: We are living in a world where it is only
Speaker 2: few of us that want to see FTR and Jeff
Speaker 2: Jarrett and Jay lethal as much as we would like
Speaker 2: to see this match take place with these very simple
Speaker 2: things take place during a match and actually have them
Speaker 2: go all a lot further than some of the moves
Speaker 2: and other matches do. I think they're great together. And
Speaker 2: I also think Mark Briscoe should at some point become
Speaker 2: the director of Authority or some sort of you know,
Speaker 2: commissioner for AW. I'd like to see him out there
Speaker 2: instead of Tony Kahan, like, you know, giving directions all
Speaker 2: of the time. His constantly air can be his father,
Speaker 2: it would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: We had the Jericho promo where it was an unprovoked
Speaker 1: attack on commentary creating an unsafe working environment. I have
Speaker 1: a quarter. If you're in the building, or if I'm
Speaker 1: in the building, you're banned. And Roderick Strong shows up,
Speaker 1: says Adam calls one of my best friends. He is
Speaker 1: not a coward. I'm not banned from the building. I
Speaker 1: want to face you in a fight falls Count anywhere,
Speaker 1: unless you're a coward. Jericho says, don't try to make
Speaker 1: your name off me. I accept the match for next week.
Speaker 1: Everyone's booing, proud, booze. Roderick says, I knew you'd say that. Well,
Speaker 1: I also got a legal document and that jas is
Speaker 1: banned from the building. I don't know where this is
Speaker 1: going to go, okay, but where I want it to
Speaker 1: go is because it is falls Count anywhere. They brawl
Speaker 1: out of the building, where Adam Cole can then attack
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho and beat the crap out of him because
Speaker 1: of course he's banned from the building. But they will
Speaker 1: be outside the building because it's false canon.
Speaker 2: Gives it a reason for them to jump to this
Speaker 2: step so quickly. I was wondering why Roderick was so calm,
Speaker 2: you know, being out there considering what they did to Britain. Adam,
Speaker 2: but then he threw in the thing at the end
Speaker 2: about having already in his pocket the Jas being banned,
Speaker 2: so made sense.
Speaker 1: The ne Rosa shows up, She's gonna talk to Tony Kahan.
Speaker 1: Sammy promo an absolute total babyface promo by Sammy and Ty.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll still be booed, but I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: if you watch that all Access, they are so likable,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to bring that here to television. But
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people watch that show, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's going to go for it.
Speaker 2: As entertaining as he's been with Max. You know, after
Speaker 2: this whole thing, who's a bigger hated figure right now,
Speaker 2: Who's somebody that you want to cheer for more? Jungle
Speaker 2: Boy or Sammy?
Speaker 1: So I could see Jungle Boy going heel.
Speaker 2: He should go here.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be better off as a heel. We
Speaker 1: had Orange Cassidy Daniel Garcia. Actually, first Tony made his
Speaker 1: announcement of the announcement which is next week. Then we
Speaker 1: have Orange Cassidy Daniel Garcia for the international title. This
Speaker 1: was also an excellent match. Orange Cassidy's hanging on by
Speaker 1: a thread but he got a wacky lucha cradle pinned him.
Speaker 1: The look on Garcia's face was just outstanding after he
Speaker 1: was beaten by a wrestling move, and the ex Caliber
Speaker 1: told us if this guy had done less sports entertaining,
Speaker 1: he might have won.
Speaker 2: He was trying to get the sub at the end.
Speaker 2: I don't know about all that come on.
Speaker 1: Well, the beginning, the first thing he did was he
Speaker 1: wanted to put his hands in his own pockets. He
Speaker 1: was joking around from the beginning of this match. They
Speaker 1: announced the Outcast versus Sheeta Britten Hater for next week.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of matches they're announcing for TV that
Speaker 1: I figured to be pay per view match. We only
Speaker 1: got three weeks for the pay per view.
Speaker 2: You got a big announcement going on, gonna be a
Speaker 2: big week.
Speaker 1: I mean this one, that's what I thought was gonna
Speaker 1: be a pay per view match. And then they also
Speaker 1: announced Jay White and Ricky Starks for TV. I thought
Speaker 1: that was gonna be a pay per view match. Christian
Speaker 1: and Luchisaurus came out and I talked a lot about
Speaker 1: this last night. I'll talk more about it tonight, but
Speaker 1: I think that Christian inadvertently said something he didn't mean
Speaker 1: to say and felt really really bad about it. You
Speaker 1: think he did this on purpose?
Speaker 2: Well, I think yeah, because and I don't think he
Speaker 2: stuttered like you said if nobody knows what we're talking
Speaker 2: about on Wrestling Observer Radio when Brian was talking about
Speaker 2: this with Dave, Yeah, you made it sound like he
Speaker 2: kind of hesitated and then went on and did his
Speaker 2: promo and kind of stumbled through it. I was watching
Speaker 2: it today. I didn't see that at all.
Speaker 1: Now I did say stumbled through it. I said he
Speaker 1: rushed through it.
Speaker 2: He rushed through it, and that he rushed off. I
Speaker 2: don't think he seemed thrown off at all. And I
Speaker 2: think with the way that that crowd was nuclear on
Speaker 2: top of him, I think in hindsight you probably would
Speaker 2: have said it differently. But he seemed to know what
Speaker 2: he was talking about. He went right into talking about
Speaker 2: Brock being invisible right now and Wardlow being there. I
Speaker 2: just think it probably didn't dawn on him and maybe
Speaker 2: on the people he was talking to, if Arn wasn't
Speaker 2: directly involved with exactly what he was going to say
Speaker 2: in this promo, that oh yeah, you know, Arn lost
Speaker 2: his other son not all that long Ago. I honestly
Speaker 2: don't think that played into his mind at all, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it affected him.
Speaker 1: We had a Darby Ellen video package and a Jay
Speaker 1: and Julia Hart No holds barred Julia Hart won. They
Speaker 1: tried to do a super blex on a chairs but
Speaker 1: they missed the chairs. But then, you know, you know
Speaker 1: how wrestling is. When you put a submission on someone
Speaker 1: on chairs, it's much worse this. Julia Heart's got something, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm telling.
Speaker 2: You they both do. And they also shouldn't be in
Speaker 2: these types of stupid matches. We've already had both of
Speaker 2: them get hurt, you know, doing spots with tables and
Speaker 2: chairs and off of it. Just it's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of use to both of them.
Speaker 2: They are there again, they are the type of pillars
Speaker 2: that you don't push all the time, but they're right there.
Speaker 2: They have got to be a lot safer with doing
Speaker 2: these things and just having superfluous crazy matches with these
Speaker 2: two women just because you can stupid.
Speaker 1: Then we had uh Orange Bendido and the best Friends
Speaker 1: doing a promo and Uh, I could tell you something
Speaker 1: funny there, but I only got time. On another day
Speaker 1: I'll do it best Friends in Bandido versus the House
Speaker 1: of Black for the trio's titles. So man, I can
Speaker 1: talk an hour about this one here tonight. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll just talk about it tonight, right AVI show everybody
Speaker 1: at Wrestingobserver dot com. You know, I'm trying to sell subscriptions.
Speaker 1: But also I could spend a long time on this
Speaker 1: cliff note, and you don't have time the cliff note. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're already spoofing the rules, and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's like, why did we even have If
Speaker 1: you watch the match, what was even the point of
Speaker 1: having all of those rules? They just had a match.
Speaker 2: Don't put sparkly things on the big board either, if
Speaker 2: you're doing a spooky match.
Speaker 1: House a Black one Jungle Boy Today promo. He doesn't
Speaker 1: like any of these guys, but he's expecting a spectacular match.
Speaker 2: He's from Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the main event was Kenny o'megan John
Speaker 1: Moxley cage match, and this was great and they brawl
Speaker 1: outside first, young Bucks come out to even the odds.
Speaker 1: They finally get in the cage and then it's just
Speaker 1: puncture wound after puncture wound with a barbed wired chair.
Speaker 1: There's blood everywhere, there's broken glass. They're absolutely killing each other.
Speaker 1: And finally Kenny goes for the V trigger and breaks
Speaker 1: the entire side of the cage down. And dude, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like you know how any surgeries this guy
Speaker 1: had over the last year, and a lot of them
Speaker 1: were his his groin, remember, Yeah, Well, he happened to
Speaker 1: do it a V trigger and the cage falls down
Speaker 1: and he got stuck between the ring and the cage,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was gonna be like Rumpel steel skin,
Speaker 1: just straight up through the middle to the top of
Speaker 1: his head, torn in half. I don't know how he
Speaker 1: did not tear every muscle in his body, break his leg, whatever.
Speaker 2: But Moxley coming out.
Speaker 1: Throws him back into the ring and h and ends
Speaker 1: up with Omega going for the one winged Angel after
Speaker 1: almost killing himself, he hits it on the glass. No
Speaker 1: can't escape, Dad, horrible Don kellis hit pera hideous bastard
Speaker 1: jabbed Kenny with the screwdriver turned on him. If you
Speaker 1: thought the pop on TV the gasp, you should see
Speaker 1: the unedited footage from Fancams. They went nuts, Moxley covered
Speaker 1: and pinned him.
Speaker 2: Seditious and plicitous Don Callous second a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Back in the show. Brian Elbarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike SPPERBB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Trying to remember
Speaker 1: if There's ever been a bigger shocked reaction that I've
Speaker 1: heard on an aw show then Callous turning on Kenny
Speaker 1: Omega because people were screaming. They were screaming when this happened,
Speaker 1: and there's a you can see videos on Twitter of
Speaker 1: you know, fan cams and the crowd is just it's
Speaker 1: completely nuts. So he has turned on Kenny, and we
Speaker 1: shall see where this goes with Takeshta because Takesha is
Speaker 1: such a beloved character to this audience and don't think
Speaker 1: like he's not gonna be with Kenny Omega. So either
Speaker 1: either Kenny is going to be uh clouding his judgment
Speaker 1: and he's still kind of like a babyface character, or
Speaker 1: they're turning him heel, which will be uh, it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting the great take. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Shall oh my god, oh no. Don Callus is the
Speaker 2: worst of the worst, and he made one of the
Speaker 2: worst comparisons in the world when he compared himself and
Speaker 2: Kenny Omega to Bobby the Brain Heenan and the great
Speaker 2: Nick Bockwinkle. I can only imagine him fancying himself now
Speaker 2: as a Gary Hart, somebody devious like that, another bald
Speaker 2: headed genius, although Don Callus is no bald headed genius.
Speaker 2: Takeshta be warrier of anything that man says. You saw
Speaker 2: what he did to Kenny or.
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