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Speaker 1: The show is on.

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Speaker 2: It's stay or go all right, Deanna, I have a

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Speaker 2: seat on the couch. Deanna. Welcome. How you doing.

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing okay.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing great? What's going on with your

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Speaker 2: situation here? I've got your email. You and Josh are newlywed.

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Speaker 2: We are congratulations Ago nice. Nice, It's so exciting.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't sound very enthusiastic about it, but I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's very exciting. I'm sure it is. So

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 4: It really all is exciting. It's really just like one

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Speaker 4: little bone that I have to pick with Josh. So

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Speaker 4: I guess it's not too bad. But basically what's going

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Speaker 4: on is that I I was raised Catholic. It was

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Speaker 4: a big deal when I was a kid, but I

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Speaker 4: keep that up in like early adulthood, and you know,

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Speaker 4: after meeting Josh and realizing I wanted to send the

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Speaker 4: rest of my life with him, I actually ended up

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Speaker 4: converting to Judaism because you know, like I said, I

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Speaker 4: gave it up at like eighteen, the Catholicism, and it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a big deal, but I knew it was important

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Speaker 4: to him for me to do this, So I said Okay,

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Speaker 4: no problem, I'll do it, you know. Uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm officially Jewish. But the only thing is thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's just, you know, it's Christmas time. I would love

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Speaker 4: to put up a Christmas tree just because, like it's

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Speaker 4: just to me. It's not symbolic of anything. It just

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Speaker 4: makes me like feel warm and fuzzy inside, you know,

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Speaker 4: all that good stuff and like brings you back to

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Speaker 4: the simpler time. I feel like a nice tree, like

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Speaker 4: a couple of decorations in our house. To me, it's

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Speaker 4: not a big deal. I really like to put that

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Speaker 2: Year, but it's involved to me because the presents go underneath.

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Speaker 4: Exactly Obviously we don't.

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Speaker 2: Want to do that. I didn't know exactly where to

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Speaker 2: and sort of see what's coming. So that's what you

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Speaker 2: got to have it. But anyway, I understand. So no

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Speaker 2: Christmas tree, or at least you want one, And I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming he doesn't. He does not.

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Speaker 4: He's Josh my husband. He is super serious about this.

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Speaker 4: He tells me all the time, like converting means you

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Speaker 4: actually have to convert to the religion, and like with

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Speaker 4: all the anti Semitism in this world. You know, the

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Speaker 4: community needs all the support they can get. The White

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Speaker 4: the heck, we put up a Christmas tree, basically what

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Speaker 4: he tells me all the time.

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Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, okay, that doesn't change your faith,

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Speaker 2: doesn't change your belief, it doesn't change your commitment to it.

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Speaker 2: Why can't you put up a Christmas tree, animal and

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Speaker 2: whatever else?

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Speaker 4: And I've been to so many houses that do exactly

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Speaker 4: like that. But uh, you know, like I said, I

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Speaker 4: wanted to convert, but I think go through a lot

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Speaker 4: So for me, I just wish that he could compromise here,

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Speaker 4: do you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you want a Christmas tree, he doesn't want one,

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Speaker 2: and so his I guess his word in this, in

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Speaker 2: his opinion, is is the deciding factor. And so you

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Speaker 2: just don't get to have one. Now even though you

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you did you convert for him, I mean

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Speaker 4: Right, No, probably not if you know circumstances didn't work

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Speaker 4: out the way they did. I'm glad I did. I

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Speaker 4: don't have any regrets, you know, just stay out the

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't get it. I don't understand why

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Speaker 2: why can't you have whatever symbol you want? It doesn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes he's just a little serious about stuff

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Speaker 4: and he runs with it. And yeah, he's sometimes days

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just wondering, like what I could say

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Speaker 4: to like you guys just kind of get through to him.

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Speaker 4: But because I agree, why can't you have both?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? This is I don't know, or yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know eight five three five. I would also know,

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Speaker 2: you know, other people who've been through the keep Bella,

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Speaker 2: I mean in here, Bella Hamen did this recently. I

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Speaker 2: want to know what her take is on this. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what she was, if she was Catholic or

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Speaker 2: I know that she converted for her husband.

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Speaker 6: She still does like the what is it the meal

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Speaker 6: of the What did Italians do the seven fishes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she still does that with her dad with a

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Speaker 2: lot of fishes.

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Speaker 6: Yes it is which is a Catholic Italian fish.

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Speaker 2: And so I better cancel that, cancel that because Josh says, no,

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Speaker 2: no fishes for you.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know friends who have converted and their

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Speaker 6: husbands do feel the same, like they've said, there's so

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Speaker 6: much anti Semitism right now, like we have to really

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Speaker 6: be in with this religion, and you converted, and why.

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Speaker 3: Do we need this?

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Speaker 6: I want to raise our kids just Jewish. But to me,

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Speaker 6: I don't see an issue. But obviously I can't really

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Speaker 2: Not sure how celebrating Catholicism makes you anti Semitic, especially

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Speaker 2: if you're a Jew.

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Speaker 6: Oh No, I just mean to have more solidarity. It's

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Speaker 6: like more important than ever I think.

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Speaker 2: But I guess I don't know how putting up a

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Speaker 2: Christmas tree makes you not solid but or doesn't demonstrate solidarity.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Deanna, let me take some phone calls on

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Speaker 2: this and belahminds what Dea. We'll see what she says.

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Speaker 2: Have a good day and have your radio.

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Speaker 4: One, Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean is any deeper than it has to be.

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Speaker 2: But Belahamine, how were you raised?

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Speaker 7: Well, so my parents weren't very religious, but I would

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Speaker 7: say quote I was Catholic and I did convert to Judaism.

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Speaker 2: In March because you married a Jewish man.

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Speaker 7: Well, I hate saying that because we were together for

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Speaker 7: like seven years and I never did. But something in

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Speaker 7: me just kind of felt like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: To make the leap for it.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're any less Jewish if you

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Speaker 2: put up a Christmas tree in your house to celebrate

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Speaker 2: or to honor I suppose what you used to believe,

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Speaker 2: or your former faith, or what your friends and family believe.

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Speaker 7: Not necessarily. I think it's all about what you're comfortable with,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think that a Christmas tree is gonna

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Speaker 7: knock your faith in Judaism. But that's my opinion. My husband,

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Speaker 7: he never had a Christmas tree. He doesn't get it.

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Speaker 7: I wanted a Christmas tree for like the longest time,

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Speaker 7: and he's like, yeah, I'm not really about this.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't tell you not to. No, he doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: I guess if you have a belief that it applies

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Speaker 2: to you, fine, if it doesn't, it doesn't. But like

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you have to be all in one camp.

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Speaker 2: It's at your faith and you believe it and it's

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Speaker 7: I don't think so. I think that you don't have

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Speaker 7: to prove to anybody your jewishness. If you want to

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Speaker 7: have a Christmas tree by all means, I call it

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Speaker 7: a hanka bush I personally I.

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Speaker 2: Don't have at the moment. That can be taking a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate him.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the club. As soon as you said Bush,

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Speaker 2: it was over it. This is a great ass man

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Speaker 2: over here, believe it or not. Hey, Red, Good morning, Red, Hey,

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Speaker 5: How are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, thanks for listening to you are Jewish

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Speaker 2: and this makes you feel a certain kind of way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. The first thing is I do think she

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Speaker 5: should stay. I mean, this is no reason to break

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Speaker 5: up a marriage. But yeah, I guess as a Jewish

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Speaker 5: I guess the I think the thing that people who

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Speaker 1: Now stores are like putting up Christmas stuff in August,

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Speaker 1: Like it just gets kind of exhausting when it's something

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Speaker 1: that you don't celebrate to be surrounded by it all

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Speaker 5: And it's not like it's bad, like you know, it's

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Speaker 5: if you guys are enjoying it, that's great. But I

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Speaker 5: it's everywhere, you know, like you can enjoy it elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: And I just don't think that like you need the

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Speaker 4: To the religion.

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing RED like, And I don't

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Speaker 2: It doesn't I'm not pushing one thing or the other.

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Speaker 2: For me to be completely honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 2: it's nostalgia. I'm being honest. I'm honest and I'm a Catholic,

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Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic. I consider myself kind of spiritual

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Speaker 2: at this point. But like the truth is, when the

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Speaker 2: good if we have a real one or light and

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's just to me. It's just to me.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of my childhood. So I feel like

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Speaker 2: even if I changed my belief and in some ways

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Speaker 2: I have as I've grown, I and again this is different,

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Speaker 2: but like, I don't know that I think it makes

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Speaker 2: me any more or less devout in whatever I believe

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Speaker 2: because it's up, especially because don't we as grown ups

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Speaker 2: really sort of love stuff that we like. It makes

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Speaker 2: for me, that's what there. And the presence, the presence,

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Speaker 2: the presence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I know the presents are important.

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Speaker 1: I think too.

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Speaker 5: I think what maybe is a misunderstanding is I don't

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Speaker 5: even actually think it's religious at all. I agree with you,

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Speaker 5: but I think it is so like there's so much

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Speaker 5: symbolism embedded with what people associated was like winter time

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Speaker 5: that actually is Christmas. Get you and so it's like again,

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Speaker 5: when when that's what you grew up with, it seems normal.

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Speaker 5: But when that's not your thing, when that's not what

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Speaker 5: you grew up with, you're just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: it's everywhere.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm a teacher. And my one of my coworkers,

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Speaker 5: who I love that she was decorating her room for winter.

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Speaker 5: She was trying to keep it very very, just like

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Speaker 5: I walked in and I didn't realize that she was

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Speaker 5: She yelled at me. She was like, no, it's it's winter.

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Speaker 2: I see that's not religious, but yeah it is.

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Speaker 5: I guess iconography.

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Speaker 2: I hear your points. I just I guess it's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't get to tell her.

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Speaker 5: Agree with that. Yeah, I think I think he's coming

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Speaker 5: I like, I think that that's the discussion they need

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well let me take some other cults here

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Speaker 2: and thank you, Red. I appreciate you calling. Have a

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Speaker 2: great day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you guys, So I love you guys.

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Speaker 5: I listened to you every morning.

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Speaker 2: And happy winter, and I mean that winter, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have a good day, Ashley. Hi, actually, good morning. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: So this woman she called just a second ago, and

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Speaker 2: who is Jewish, says, no, we're not doing that, And

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me. And

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Speaker 2: for no reason except why does he get to decide

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Speaker 3: I agree, I am I was raised Roman Catholic, I

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Speaker 3: I did not convert, so it's a little bit different

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Speaker 4: But we celebrate it all.

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Speaker 3: So it's because everyone likes to be included. I think

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Speaker 3: I we host Christmas at our house and the holidays

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Speaker 8: Our children are also going.

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Speaker 8: And I will say that.

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Speaker 3: Before we got married and things like that, this had

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Speaker 3: but it works for us. Everybody is involved. We celebrate

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Speaker 3: the diversity that's our family and we love it. It's

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Speaker 3: just more to celebrate for us all around the whole year.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, Ashley, thank you so much. Have a good day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: also coming off controlling though it's for me, Jacob, Hi,

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Speaker 2: Hey how's it going? Hey, good morning man. You're Jewish

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Speaker 2: and it says it right here. So I guess we

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Speaker 9: We love that for you, Jacob, you know, okay, So no, First,

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Speaker 9: you're probably listening. And then second of all, I wanted

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Speaker 9: It's both of their home, so that needs to be

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Speaker 9: But speaking to Judaism specifically, it's beyond a religion. It

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Speaker 9: Life, certain values, things like that. When you are practicing Judaism,

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Speaker 9: other groups of people. Honikah typically falls around Christmas, However,

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Speaker 9: it is not the Jewish Christmas. Honkah is about preserving

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Speaker 9: called in shared that she had converted to Judaism. Judaism

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Speaker 9: is it is a daily thing that you are living,

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Speaker 9: and I think it's just a matter of what do

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Speaker 9: you value Christmas tree. Sure there is symbolism beyond beyond

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Speaker 9: just the physical tree, but it's also like what what

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Speaker 9: with with also having non Jewish things in your home.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if that makes sense, but the symbolism

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Speaker 9: goes beyond, just like the religion. Jews have been persecuted

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Speaker 9: it might be. So especially around Hanukkah, time is the

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Speaker 9: Okay, I agree, it sounds like going back to what

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Speaker 2: There you go. I agree with you, Jacob, and I

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Speaker 2: appreciate the perspective here on the education. I do sincerely

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Speaker 2: and I but and I also agree with you that

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Speaker 2: taking into consideration of her thoughts too, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Hi mom, Hi Jacob's mom. I'm assuming. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Julie? Hey, good morning. So just to stare go here

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like that makes you maybe less Jewish

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Speaker 8: Couple of things. Everybody has already said. It's really not

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Speaker 8: But and I would say, in response to the people

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Speaker 8: I would also say I would disagree with that, because,

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Speaker 8: after all, if you're a thought mindful, thoughtful person who's

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Speaker 8: and not feel threatened by that. But bottom line is

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Speaker 8: it's very possible that this is a trigger for somebody

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Speaker 8: whether you really meant to be Jewish or you're on

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Speaker 8: blue lights and dradals. Yeah, maybe you don't put up

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Speaker 8: the tree, but you still put up cheerful lights that

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Speaker 8: whatnot on your house, maybe you hang Drado's and symbols

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Speaker 2: I like it. I like all the points. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. I'm glad you called. Have a good day.

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Speaker 1: This is very is.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's very civilized here with this, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And I learned some things here. I guess if they

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Speaker 2: if his history is deep rooted, maybe she's not calling

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Speaker 2: you radio. Maybe this is less trivial. Yes, maybe she

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I like the I like the Christmas

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Speaker 7: I see the issue with Hanakha Bush now, Rufio, I

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Speaker 7: see this.

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Speaker 2: But that just got to you.

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Speaker 7: No, no, okay, that it's been repeated a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to change that.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Bella, we are going to corrupt the hell out of you.

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Speaker 2: It took you twelve minutes. I love you so much,

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Speaker 2: The Entertainer reports.

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