1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: The following presentation of the Jaguars podcast Network is presented 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: by a bi star credit. A football coach would be 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: the first to tell you it's never about one guy 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: win or lose. The game rarely rests on a single 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: play or single player. But some men do stand above 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: their contemporaries. Some are just better at what they do, 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Some work harder than those around them, and some leave 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: a more lasting impact, a mark that bears witness to 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: little legacy. This is Perspectives, a look back at the 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: first twenty five years of the Jacksonville Jaguars through the 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: eyes of the people who built the NFL's thirty franchise 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: from the ground up. This is Tom Coughlin. Coach Conflin 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: checks all of those boxes, which is exactly why he 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: was Blaine Weaver's choice to build the Jaguars. He is 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: excellent football coach. No one in football works with as 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: much energy for as many hours as he does, and 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: no one, no one cares as deeply as Tom about 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: doing things the right way. You know, whenever you're a 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: head coach, it's you. You know, it's your you, and 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: it's probably to a fault from me, all right, because 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I've always felt, and I felt here longly so, but 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I felt this was my teeth, this was my team 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: because I was given that responsibility by Mr Weaver. This 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: was new ground for a man who had coached at 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: the highest level of college and professional football for story 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: programs like the Giants, the Packers, and the Eagles. Putting 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: together an NFL franchise wasn't in Coughlin's background, but he 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: wasn't completely unprepared for the task. Nothing anywhere that I 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: could read about how people did things, because obviously those 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: are some of the oldest in the history of the 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: National Football League. So what really helped me, which is 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: an interesting thing. When I I graduated from college, okay, 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: at Syracuse University, I came back, uh in the master's program, 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: and I was what they called a graduate assistant coach, 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: and I helped coach a freshman team. At Syracuse there 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: were still freshman teams and varsity teams. I got my degree. 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: I took like fifteen credit hours in the spring, uh, 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, which was heavy for graduate school. But I 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: wanted to be done. I interviewed for a job at 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: Rochester Institute of Technology. Rochester Institute of Technology had been 41 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: playing club football for like two years. Okay, they wanted 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: someone to come in. They wanted, uh someone to be 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: an assistant coach for a year, take over the second year, 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: and then build the program into a varsity program and 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: it would compete in what they called the Dependent Collegiate 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Athletic Conference, which was quite frankly for Division three was 47 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: loaded Alfred Hobart St. Lawrence Ithaca College. You know, really 48 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: really good, good small college football teams. So when I 49 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: came in, I was a secondary coach. I coached the 50 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: defense on the secondary side of the ball for one year. 51 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Then I became the head football coach. And little did 52 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I know that what came with that was everything under 53 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the sun. In other words, I was the person who 54 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: was supposed to collect the football team. I was supposed 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: to coach the football team. I was supposed to figure 56 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: out how to run a training camp and house the 57 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: football team. I was supposed to make a schedule. I 58 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: was to establish all the traveling needs, the hotels, the buses, 59 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: all of those things. I had to hire assistant coaches 60 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: who were not going to be full time, they were 61 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: going to be part time. I had to uh have 62 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: something to say about how the football field was lined, 63 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: how the grass was cut, how we wanted to do that. 64 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: A couple of years later, we moved over to a 65 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: prime field in the middle of campus, which was a 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: soccer field that we had become a head, an opportunity 67 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: then to play in front of bigger crowds and that 68 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: type of thing. Uh, And I would still I can 69 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: remember pounding post in the ground while the opponent drove 70 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: up in his bus, you know, and then what are 71 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: you doing out there doing? What's it looked like I'm doing. 72 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm getting ropes together so we 73 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: can have a game and not have everybody feel. What 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: I was trying to say, is uh the organizational part, 75 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: the putting things together part, how things came into play. 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: What was the strategy? Certainly, Brian, it was not as 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: sophisticated as would be the case when I came to 78 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: Jacksonville the first time in the spring of ninety four, 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: but it gave me an advantage because I had seen 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: it from Rochester to Boston College. Coughlin built his career 81 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, an offensive coordinator, and finally the 82 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: head coach. His signature win a stunning defeat a number 83 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: one Notre Dame in South Bend with the ball of 84 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: caught the attention of many in pro football, including an 85 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: upstar group in North Florida when David Selden and Wayne 86 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: Weaver came came calling. First of all, um, we met 87 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: when we met in the Providence, and I was I 88 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: lived in Walpole, mass which was maybe a half hour away. 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: So I drove down and I told Judy when I left, 90 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: I said, I'll be back in an hour. This isn't 91 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing going to be to this. This is But 92 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the interview got real serious, real fast, because my the 93 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: original phone call that was made to me, Uh, my 94 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: exact comment was, well, how many people do you have 95 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: involved in the job, and they Selden said five. I said, 96 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm not interested. He said what do you mean. I said, 97 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: I'm not interested? There was five. You know, you got 98 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: plenty of people, and you don't. I mean, I just 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: finished a bowl game. We recruited in the top twenty 100 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: in the country, and you know, I was pretty happy 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: where I was. So he said, can I call you back? 102 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: And I said, call me back anytime, but I'm I'm 103 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: not gonna be interested. And he said, okay, So he 104 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: called me back two weeks later, and he said, would 105 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you be interested if I told you there were two 106 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: and you were one of them. I said, well, that's 107 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: a little different story. So I thought, well, you know, 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean I can listen to anybody and so on. 109 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: So I told Judy I'll be gone an hour. Meeting 110 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: started at eight. I was home at eleven. I supposedly 111 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: she turned to Brian's son, Brian, when I left and 112 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: she said, okay, Brian, get the map out, where's Jacksonville. 113 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: One of those deals, you know. So but when the 114 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: opportunity came to come here to Jacksonville, I was hired. 115 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: I think I was the seventh employee. I say, I am. 116 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: There might have been more, but I think that was 117 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: what it was. And I had a chance to listen 118 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: to what, um Mr Weaver I had in mind, and 119 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I could set up my own calendar for when people 120 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: would come on board, and so I put a lot 121 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: of thought into that. Obviously I needed a personnel staff 122 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: right away, you know, so I put my mind to 123 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: work on that. So I literally had a I hired 124 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: everybody who touched football, so I you know, the trainers, um, 125 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: the as I said, UM, the personnel side of the ball. 126 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: UM certainly the coaching staff. UM. I hired them all okay, 127 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: and I had a timely way in which I would 128 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: go about that. And the very first season for us UM, 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: when we didn't have a team, we acted like we 130 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: had a team. We had game plans on Monday and Tuesday, 131 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: we traveled the country, went to a college game on Saturday, 132 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: went to a pro game on Sunday. I had a 133 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: personnel staff in place. We had a mock draft for 134 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the expansion draft. We had a mock draft that went 135 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: along with the NFL draft in the spring. We did 136 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: it all. We did it all so that we had 137 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: gone through this prior to being under the gun and 138 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: having to make those decisions that counted. So we did 139 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: it all. I brought some of my coaches from Boston College, 140 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: not all. I put them right to work immediately UM 141 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: and they would do the same thing I did beyond 142 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: the road on weekends, etcetera, etcetera. And then hired the 143 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: rest of the staff immediately following the season. I was 144 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: really fortunate that a number of my friends who were 145 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: outstanding NFL coaches invited me to go to their camp, 146 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: so I would travel around the League in the summer, 147 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: just like I, you know, studying and watching how people 148 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: did things, keeping tracking things and so on and so forth. 149 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: That's where the Mark Burnell tip came in. And uh So, 150 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: all of these things, all everything that I always say this, Brian, 151 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, you live you you you learn as if 152 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna live forever, okay, and you live as if 153 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna die tomorrow. So I've always thought, I don't 154 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: care how old you are. What you better be learning 155 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: all the time. You better be studying, You better be 156 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: understanding the changes. You better be adjusting, you better be 157 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: doing all those things. So everybody, everybody that I was 158 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: with along the way, all the coaches, Frank Maloney, who 159 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: gave me a chance to come back to the Division 160 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: one football, which was a great opportunity. Frank had been 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: with Boschen Beckler. I had everything bo had been with 162 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Woody Hayes. I had all that. I had, all their 163 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: organizational stuff, everything, how they went about coaching, the toughness 164 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: that they brought to the job. Um so, and then 165 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: all the coaches that I had the pleasure and the 166 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: good fortune to be with, I learned from Okay, and 167 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: even back as far as when I was my own 168 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: head coach a Division three. So these things all were 169 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: in place when I came to Jacksonville in February of 170 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: ninety four to be the head coach of the expansion 171 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Whenever that happens, you roll up your sleeves 172 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: and you know, you're a myth to your wife and 173 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: your kids. You're just once in a while around but 174 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: not often, you know. And uh, And that's why I 175 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: have so much respect and admiration for for Duty, because 176 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: she did it all. I mean, she raised the kids, 177 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: she did. But you're right, I mean, this thing became 178 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: something that you pour your heart and soul into it 179 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: because it had your name on it. And that's what 180 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: I've always believed, and that's what I still try to 181 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: tell players. 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All loan subject to approval, 191 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: insured by n c u A. Having bought into Division, 192 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Coughlin had a lot to accomplish if the Jaguars were 193 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: going to be ready for opening day. No task was 194 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: more important or higher on the priority list. And finding 195 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: a quarterback. If you can remember and think about an 196 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: expansion team with the three quarterbacks we had who Steve Burlin, 197 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: Mark Burnell, and Rob Johnson, who was Selly's teammate at USC. 198 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: You know who is a big time arm and a 199 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: wacky kid, but oh he was a beauty. He used 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: to give Brunel Hut all kinds of heat and it 201 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: was great. It was funny sometimes, but uh well, I 202 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: went traveling around the league, and I knew a lot 203 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: about Mark because of his success in Washington and the 204 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: style of quarterback. So remember, in the back of my mind, 205 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be an expansion offensive line, and I 206 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: just felt like if you can't move, if you can't 207 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: if you're not mobile, you're gonna have a tough time 208 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: in this situation, and so that was a big part 209 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: of it. I watched him practice, not long, just a 210 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: mike ho Homebram had many you know, even what he 211 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: called a tuidache. His afternoon practice was quick, short, boom boom, 212 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: boom boom, and uh. But I saw him live and 213 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: then I began to look and look and study and 214 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. But the the the unique thing, 215 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: the unique thing was the way we acquired and that 216 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: was really interesting. I mean, it's litter really the night 217 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: before the first draft in the history of this franchise, 218 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and I pick up on the fact that he was 219 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: headed for Philadelphia and the deal was well well down 220 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: the road. But something happened. There was a snag in 221 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the deal. Okay. I picked up the phone and I 222 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: called Ron Wolf on the phone, and I said, Ron, 223 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I understand what's going on. And I know you're well 224 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: down the road on this, but I want to tell 225 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: you up front, okay, that here's what I'd be willing 226 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: to do for Mark Brunel. Okay, And there is no 227 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: I have to wait till tomorrow. I'll do it right now, 228 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: right on the spot. You won't have there's not you'll 229 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: have these these picks in place for the for the draft. 230 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: There's not gonna be any dancing around. Okay, I would 231 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: like this quarterback and I would you know, I forget 232 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: what how it went. It went the third round and 233 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: then he said, well, can you give me something else 234 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: so I can really make this look like I'm not 235 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: a that's just sure. So I gave him a fifth, 236 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: a game, a third, and a game of five. But 237 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: I remember I had two in each round, so it 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: was a good thing. So um, we pulled that one off. 239 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: And it was like a couple of years later when 240 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: Brunell's running up down the field and Wolf was looking 241 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: at me like I've got two heads, and I like, 242 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: you sign up a gun. You so forgot, but you know, 243 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: it just was and then Steve started and he should have, 244 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, we missed that one up 245 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: in the corner of the end zone and that opener. 246 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: We might have won the first game in the history 247 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: of the franchise because it was a battle, but it 248 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: was but getting Mark and being able to have some 249 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: mobility and at that time and Jimmy come along, and 250 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Mark and Jimmy hook hook up and keenan and you know, 251 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: that was that was some some fun. The next pressing 252 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: issue was the NFL Draft, which presented the Jaguars with 253 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: a chance to add a cornerstone type of player. It 254 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: caught wasn't about to swing in miss on that. I 255 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: can tell you this in all honesty. So I go 256 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: out to Mike Maser and I and there's five other 257 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: NFL line coaches there to work Tony out. The day 258 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: we were there, I still remember six seven three, uh, 259 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: but I've never seen anybody moving around like that. I mean, 260 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: the feet were unreal, you know. And he had a 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: buddy of his who was an offensive guard who actually 262 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: started and played, who worked out with him, and I 263 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: felt bad for the kid because Tony was bouncing around 264 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: like a premier, the premier athlete that he is, and 265 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: the other kid was just hanging on. You know. It 266 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: was one of those deals. But so we knew, we 267 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: knew what, you know. I remember Jim Haneffin saying to me, so, 268 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: what do you think, coach, what are you gonna do? 269 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: And I said I'd probably take a receiver. He looked 270 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, You're gonna take a receiver. So, I mean, 271 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: all we did and Tony gave me a little grief 272 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: when he came into what's your way? So long for coach? Well, 273 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting there saying I got this. You 274 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: know we're on the clock. But come on, somebody come 275 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: up and tell me you want this spot so I 276 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: can find out if you want my player, if you 277 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: don't want my player, and maybe I can pick up 278 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: another draft pick. But so read at the you know 279 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: what we knew all along what we're gonna do. So 280 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: when we took Tony and we finally got he and 281 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: Anty in here, he said, coach, what the heck were 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: you doing? What took so long? You know he's sitting 283 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: there aunty about because you know we called him and 284 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: find out how he he was healthy and all the 285 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: things you go through. So yeah, that was that was critical, 286 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: critical for us. Coughlin didn't account for good fortune as 287 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: he made his plan for the Jaguars, but he got 288 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: some early when personnel boss Ron Hill found former second 289 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: round draft choice Jimmy Smith sitting at home in Mississippi, 290 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: pondering life and wondering if there was another chance for 291 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: him in professional football. When Jimmy first came in here, 292 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't all that impressive okay, and Pete kept saying, 293 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: give him a little time, give him a little time, 294 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: give him a little time. Okay, we're giving him a 295 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: little time. We're giving him a little time. And then 296 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the story of the 297 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: way the thing went. He's he's leading our team in 298 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: completion and receptions. He didn't even start. He's he's he's 299 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: the third guy on the field. But with Jimmy's development, okay, 300 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: and the the communication between he and Mark okay, and 301 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: then the the arrogance with which played, you know, and 302 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: these things started to come together and people started to 303 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: feel better about who they were. And we would I mean, 304 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: we just praised press Jimmy, please please press them. You know, 305 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: we're playing teams like you know, Denver, who is up 306 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: there the whole ballgame, and I mean, it's like, Hallelujah, 307 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: here we go. The coach kept planning his work and 308 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: working his plan through training camp and Stevens Point Wisconsin 309 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: a rigorous five game exhibition season, and right up to 310 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: the start of the inaugural season. Patience was required, but 311 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Conflin is famously impatient, and it figured to be a 312 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: tough ride. It's keeping your nose to the grindstone and 313 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: trying to judge improvement rather than wins, you know what 314 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: I mean, personnel improvement going in the right direction. I 315 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: mean I was hard on him. I was very hard 316 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: on him. And we were a unified team. And I 317 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: say it, it's it sounds funny. It may not be, 318 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: but they were. They were all unified because they hated me, 319 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: but they played and even that first team might have 320 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: been one of the toughest teams that I've ever been around. 321 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: They were tough outfit. Now and you know, we played 322 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: people really tough and hard, and you know, so on 323 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: and so forth. Although we only won four in that 324 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: first year. But um, it was the constant, constant ability 325 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: to you know, keep your thumb on where you're going, 326 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, keep your eye on your on your team, 327 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: keep your coaches pushing, pushing, pushing, don't be overcome with 328 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: the the negativity, you know, don't don't let it get 329 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: to you. Fight it off, you know, continue to teach 330 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: and continue to to build more than just the football 331 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: part of it. Talk about being good people, good human beings. 332 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: You know, how things should be done. Uh, you know 333 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: the type of character that has to be in place 334 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: in order for you to win. The type of work 335 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: ethic outwork people you know continuously sell that and that's 336 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: basically what what it was. And you know, even in 337 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: year two, you know when when we we are better, 338 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: But how much better are we? We're still collecting players. 339 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: You know, We've still got some things going on that 340 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: that need to be fixed. But we're making We're getting that. 341 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: The Wolves were beginning to howl the door. In November 342 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: of more than halfway through the second season, the Jaguars 343 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: were modest four and seven and seemed far far behind 344 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: expansion rival Carolina. Dave Thomas suffered a gruesome leg injury 345 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, a five interception game from Mark Brunette in St. 346 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: Louis doomed them to a loss, and the decision to 347 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: part ways with Andre Risen after a shaky game in 348 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh left the Jaguars at the very edge of a 349 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: steep cliff. The guy that most teams don't recover from it. 350 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: But something turned in the most important month of an 351 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: NFL season, and it turned at the most critical time 352 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: for the head coach. I think it was the long road, 353 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: the tough road, the tough season, and then being nine 354 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: and seven and getting in you know, all of a sudden, 355 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, all of a sudden, everybody's excited, all of 356 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: a sudden everybody. And then the opportunity thing, it's sitting 357 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: right in front of us. It's it's the chance of 358 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: a lifetime. And uh, you know, it probably is where 359 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: that road warrior thing started, because we were tough on 360 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: the road. I mean we didn't I mean we could 361 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: go into the most difficult of environments and and play 362 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: tough and uh and we did, and and it was 363 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, it was yeah, it was the little subtle things, 364 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: but it was also there come from behind and things 365 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: of that nature, you know, And and and the confidence 366 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: that was starting to be built thinking that we we 367 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: could score, you know, we could do some things. And 368 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: we were, you know, we had pretty good leadership on 369 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, to be honest with the Jaguars. 370 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Dramatic run to nine and seven, followed by improbable playoff 371 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: winds in Buffalo and in Denver, ignited the collective imagination 372 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: of North Florida and set winning as the expectation in Jacksonville. 373 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: So we beat Buffalo in the playoffs in and we're 374 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: headed for Denver, and this is John Elway. All right, 375 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: they've they are Super Bowl champions. Okay, they have a 376 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: heck of a football team, a great team. Mike Shanahan's 377 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: the head coach. We go out there, nobody gives us 378 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: a chance to win. Okay, anytime I've ever won anything, 379 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: nobody gave us a chance to win. Okay. We go 380 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: out there and uh, it's one of those games. And 381 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, ball up in the end zone, 382 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: Burnell making it gazelle like runs, people flying around, and 383 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, defense banging away and just you know, back 384 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: and forth enough to keep us where we are in 385 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: the game. And we're ahead at the end of the game, 386 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: and uh, it's about to be Uh, they don't have 387 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: any time outs. And I tell Dick Geron, who was 388 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. I said, Dick, just make sure that 389 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: when they do score, it's under two minutes. Just they're 390 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna score. They're gonna score. We're up with ten, they're 391 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: gonna score. But when they do, make sure it's under 392 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: two minutes because they don't have any time outs. Sure enough, 393 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: he goes down bang bing bing bing bing. Any scores 394 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: it's under two. They line up with the onside kick, 395 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, you can tell they've they've been winning 396 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: by so much they don't they don't even know how 397 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: to line up for the onside kick, you know, don't they. 398 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: They bonded the ball back to La Maston was our 399 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: fullback who was in the middle of the of the 400 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: hands team, and La recovers the ball really uncontested. It's 401 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: not much of a kick and just and everybody's going 402 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: the league is incomplete shock, okay, because if we don't 403 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: beat him, then they're gonna win three in a row, okay. 404 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: And it's just exactly what it was. And and and 405 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: when we win that game, there's no way you could 406 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: not smile. The locker room was fabulous, you know, Wayne 407 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: was in there, and it was players were just pay 408 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: players were beside themselves because of what you know, fellas 409 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: you sacrifice your work, you're ever loving off, you pay 410 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: a great price. You can't quite see the end of 411 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: the road, but you know, if you're doing it the 412 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: right way, it's gonna happen. Things are gonna happen good 413 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: for you. You know. Sometimes it takes longer than others, 414 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: but it's gonna happen. And there there they go out 415 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: against the great team in the National Football League at 416 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the time, with a great running back and the greatest quarterback, 417 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: all that, all this stuff, defense and all all of 418 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: all of these things when players are going crazy. We're 419 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: getting the plane. We come back and we're you know, 420 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: getting towards and wait, wait a minute, the airport's over there. 421 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: What's he doing? He starts to bank the plane and 422 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: then they announced that. You look down and there's thirty 423 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: six thousand people in the state waiting for us at 424 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning to get back from the airport. 425 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: It's it's unreal, as u there was an unbelievable feeling 426 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: to know that, man, man, we got the whole town 427 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: is behind this team, and we're having fun doing it. 428 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, we're having a lot of fun doing Mark 429 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: and Tony, Jimmy and keenan party in brackets. The foundations 430 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: were in place in the spring of night. Then a 431 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: trade with Buffalo and an incredible Pro day performance in 432 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Florida brought the missing element to a championship team. First 433 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: of all, um Fred was a product of the development 434 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: of Rob Johnson. In the trade. Okay, we wouldn't have 435 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: been up there if it wasn't for that. But that's 436 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the critical thing about being able to keep those young 437 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks around, because you remember what Rob did. We go 438 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 1: up to Baltimore and he plays an incredible game. On 439 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: one leg, he gets the high ankle sprain. I got it, 440 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: you know. I pulled him out. He comes over the sideline. 441 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: He can't go back in. He can't. He's in my ear. Coach, 442 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: let me go, I can go. I can do it. 443 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: I can do it. By god, he did do it. 444 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: He did do it. But that, you know, the whole 445 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: world looked at that and said, my goodness. You know. 446 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: So Fred became that spot in the draft, Buffalo spot. 447 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: So it's a dynamic that we quite frankly don't have. 448 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: So I'm looking to see now Fred's career at Florida. 449 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: It's at the end of the of his career that 450 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: they finally play him and use him. And he has 451 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: some incredible games, but there's not a lot of them. 452 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: So I go over to work We go over to 453 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: work him out, and I love their stadium. It might 454 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: be the fastest track in the history of tracks. Okay, 455 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: everybody wants to run a forty on that grass. I 456 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: couldn't do it, so we had to for whatever reason, 457 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: something was going on, and we conducted the workouts down 458 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: on their practice field, which is just like any practice field, 459 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: to be honest. He's he's two pounds six ft whatever. 460 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: You know. He runs four four on my clock. Some 461 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: had him under four four. You know. It's like when 462 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: I talked to him about the I call it an 463 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: eighty nine yard. He calls it a ninety you know. 464 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: So but he comes over. He's a young kid, he's 465 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: got a long way to go, and he uh, you know. 466 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: First of all, he on the day that the rookies 467 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: come in and we we warn them all. I mean, 468 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a conditioning test, and it's a 469 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: tough test. He doesn't do quite well. Yeah, he doesn't 470 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: do as well as he should. He's the number one 471 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: draft choice, but yet he's not the top conditioned athlete. 472 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: So that's how he starts on. He's he's embarrassed. He 473 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: feels bad about it, but it's a done deal, you know. 474 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: So we get to camp and we're gonna work against 475 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans. The first drill is nine on seven. The 476 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: the bodies are flying, you know, it's it's it's haslet 477 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, who's got them all gunned up. And we're 478 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: so Fred and so this is I'm jump away. But 479 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: I go to the Combine a couple of years ago 480 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: and Fred's brought in by the league to speak to 481 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: the rookies, you know, to speak to them. And I 482 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: walk in and I see crowd of people around this 483 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: guy and they're interviewing him. But I see it's Fred. 484 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: So I go over and I see Fred. He comes over. 485 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: He gives me a hug. Remember he finished he was 486 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: in New England for the end of his career. So 487 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: we stood there and talked for a minute. He kind 488 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: of hugs me and he says, Coach, I get it. 489 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: I get it now. He said, I was with you 490 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: and then I was with New England and I get it. 491 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: I get it now. So I said great. He so eloquent, 492 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: so smart. You know, I had it all together. So 493 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: we walked around the corner, were by the elevators, and 494 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: he goes, Coach, you know you were trying to kill 495 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: me And I said, no, now, I wasn't trying to 496 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: kill you, but I was trying to get you ready 497 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: for what what was coming real quick. And we laughed 498 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: and stuff, and he goes, oh, he's a coach. I 499 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: gotta run because I had my next appointment. Elevator opens, 500 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: He steps into the elevator. The elevator doors are starting 501 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: to close. He said, coach, I love you, but you 502 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: were trying to kill him. The door shuts like that. 503 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: But uh, I mean we've never I mean, you can remember, 504 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: remember Tampa. He goes seventy with a draw out here 505 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: with Miami. The things that he did, you know, I mean, 506 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: if he doesn't get hurt, we're gonna we're gonna have 507 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: what we keep saying we are. We're a balanced team. 508 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: You know, We're gonna be able to do this. We're 509 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna do that because when he gets out there, he's gone. 510 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nobody gonna catch him. And uh and 511 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: but I think the proudest part of it is the 512 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: way that he developed as a man, you know, the 513 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: way that he kind of put it all together, and 514 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: the and the and the the person that he is today. 515 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: The rookie from Florida exploded all over the National Football 516 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: League and in his second season, the Jaguards went from 517 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: a contender to the favorite. Fourteen wins in the regular season, 518 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: and a historic sixty two to seven win over Miami 519 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: in the divisional round set up the off C Championship 520 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: game against the Titans, the only team to beat the 521 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: Jaguars in I'm telling you, I've been Super Bowls. I've been, 522 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: but that stadium was electric that day. I mean an electric. 523 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: They were going crazy. Pregame was as incredible as I've 524 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: ever been around home field. I mean you could feel, 525 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: you felt it. You know, it was the real deal. 526 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: You know, we we jump out with a nice, nice lead. 527 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: They come back. You know, we have the fumble punt, 528 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal. But at halftime, our guys 529 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: are rattled. What the heck is wrong with you guys? 530 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: You know we're up fourteen to ten. Settled down, settled down, Well, 531 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: there was nothing to the second half. We don't do 532 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: a thing that they but we should have been the 533 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: team in Atlanta that game. It hovered over the franchise 534 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: like a dark cloud, and the injuries and salary cap 535 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: issues would begin to hover as well. What looked like 536 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: a dynasty now looked ready to dissipate, and in two 537 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 1: thousand three, after three consecutive losing seasons, Tom Coughlin was 538 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: asked to leave. It was tough. It was, it was 539 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: It was really really difficult, really difficult. And you know, 540 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean this is coach talk, but even in the 541 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: last year, we lost five games by twelve points, I think, 542 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: and stupid losses. The Cleveland loss was ridiculous, I mean ridiculous. Uh. 543 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: And the ball was dropped and they still wouldn't they 544 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: still wouldn't change the call, you know. But it was 545 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: hard to believe me. It was hard. It was, you 546 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: know what. And it was really hard because when when 547 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: you're told that your services are no no longer wanted, 548 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a crushing blow to who you are, 549 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: you know. And I can remember my car had been 550 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: moved around to the dock. I wasn't gonna talk to anybody. 551 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do that. So then I went home 552 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: and I had to tell my kids, you know. And uh, 553 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on this ernie and read it came over, 554 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, and I was sitting on the stairs steps, 555 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, they go up to the second floor. I 556 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: just sat there and we had a table right there. 557 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: But I'm sitting on that and they're trying to make 558 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: it feel better, and it's it doesn't work. You know, 559 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. You don't want to see anybody, 560 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: you don't want to talk to anybody, you want to 561 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: go out here, you know. So but the thing that happened, 562 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: which was incredible for me, was so I I did, 563 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously there's things you have to do. 564 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: So I'm I did go out in the community, basically 565 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: out you know, out of the beach, you know, kind 566 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: of bed and around there. People were great, they were amazing. 567 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, coach, Thank you coach. So my daughter came 568 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: up a little bit, you know, and uh, you know, 569 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: but it hurt. It definitely hurt. And I wasn't I 570 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: wasn't ashamed to admit it, you know. And uh so 571 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, life marches on and there's things that that 572 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: happened in life that are are incredible. Really, Uh, the 573 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: way the Good Lord deals with you, you know, I 574 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: don't get such a big head, buddy, because you're in 575 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: for one or two. You know, you're you're gonna get yours. 576 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: But but the idea of you know, what you go through. 577 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: And then I stayed here, which is people don't do that, 578 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: they go somewhere. I stayed in that same house and uh, 579 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: Harbor Island because quite frankly, I wasn't going to move 580 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: and move again. I mean, I thought that was stupid it, 581 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I did have to go through 582 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: a season, but I got myself back to football, you know, 583 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: and Mike Perkins kept me stocked with tape, and I 584 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: had the upstairs room. We had a kind of a 585 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: game room upstairs, and I would take over and I 586 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: would I'd go to Mass Sunday morning and I say 587 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: to the family, I'll see you guys probably Monday night, 588 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: and up I would go for the one o'clock and 589 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: then the four thirty and then the night game, you know, 590 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: and I would watch everything, take notes and the Monday 591 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: night game would be the same way. And I would 592 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: get tape on Monday from from Mike, and I would 593 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: pick the games I wanted to look at and I 594 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: would be able to look at those games and study. 595 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, you know, life goes on. And 596 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: I remember the first phone call from John Mara, and uh, 597 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: I remember um Kate was home the whole fall and 598 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: she was going back for second semester of of her 599 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: senior year at Boston College. So she and Dylan and 600 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: Chris snee flew in from the Bowl game, which was 601 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: in Hawaii, and we had I think it was Dylan's baptism. 602 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: Then in the car they went. They left January five. 603 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: I left either next day and I went to New 604 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: York and I never never come back. More perspectives following 605 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: this from Vice Star Credit Union Advice Star. We believe 606 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: in better, especially in helping build a better financial future 607 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: for our members, so we reviewed our offerings from the 608 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: ground up. 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He was working 617 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: in New York in the fall of tea and thinking 618 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: about his next steps in football when the owner of 619 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: the Jaguars called the new owner. I was at the 620 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: League office, okay, and it was I had done a 621 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: lot of stuff during the course of the year with 622 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: surveys and all kinds of stuff, trying to feed Roger information. 623 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: At the head coaches, we're saying about what had to 624 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: be done with the game, um, and it got to 625 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: be that I don't know what was it. It was 626 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: early January, I guess early January, and it was the 627 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: Jaguars had fired their coach. My first thing is I 628 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: came down and talk to Shot on the boat down here, um, 629 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: and then went back to the league no problem, and 630 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of things, not just a 631 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: head job here. But so when that other opportunity came up, 632 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: and it was really interesting because I had basically told Shot, 633 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, I can help and a lot of capacities 634 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: I can. I can help the head coach, I can 635 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: help the general manager, I can help the owner. I 636 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: can help in a lot of capacities because I've done 637 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: lots of different things in the course of my career 638 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: and I have, you know, a little bit of knowledge 639 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: about a lot of a lot of things, so I 640 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: can help. And so Shot called back and it was 641 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: really just a manner of minutes and it was a 642 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: done deal. And I remember when I went upstairs to 643 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: tell Roger okay, and he already knew it, and uh 644 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: so he you know, and I was kind of basing 645 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: everything on. Well, you know, uh, I'll I'll come back 646 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: tomorrow and clean my desk up and I'll So he 647 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: comes down a minute later, Roger does, and he starts 648 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: talking about, well, you got your hands full, but it's 649 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: gonna be good for the league because you're gonna be 650 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: there and they'll be better. And he said, so what 651 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: are you doing? And I said, well, I gotta get her. 652 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: You better get at it. So I left. So I left. 653 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: I just got my stuff together and left. So I 654 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: hadn't been through that front door in that and any 655 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: kind of capacity. And all the time that I've been 656 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: I've been here, I think, but not through that door. 657 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: So that was interesting. And then there's a few people 658 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: that I have a chance to say hello to again. 659 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: But uh, it was different, much different, you know, much different. 660 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: And then uh, trying to talk Dug into taking the 661 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: office that I'm in, he didn't want it. I'm basically 662 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: in the office I was in when I was here, 663 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: which I don't know how fair that is for everybody. 664 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: But that's where I am. It felt like deja vu 665 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, but Jaguars were in the a f 666 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: C Championship Game New England, no less. Tom Coplin was 667 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: back in teal and Black, now twenty five years since 668 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: he first arrived in Jacksonville. He smiles and shakes his 669 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: head himself somewhat surprised and certainly thrilled to be back 670 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. And for a man who's always focused 671 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: on the future, he's happy to share some fond stories 672 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: from the past. Don't tell you a story of the 673 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: true story, Okay. I come here to accept the job, 674 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: and the job is the press conferences at a bank. 675 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: You remember this, well, it's at a bank, Okay. I 676 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: don't see anything. Press conference is over. I'm back in 677 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: a car out to the airport. Wayne's plane takes me 678 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: back to Boston. I haven't even seen my team yet. 679 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: A Boston college. That was that hurt, that was not 680 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: well done by me. But I didn't I didn't have 681 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: a whole lot of choice, So so I come back 682 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: a week later. I got everything in order, and I 683 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: come back porn rain, you know, pull up in a 684 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: car and MUDs this deep, it's all dirt. Okay, there's 685 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: one concrete stanching, that's it. Okay, there's one trailer. I 686 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: walked through the mud. I go up the steps, I 687 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: walk in the front door. There's someone's over here at 688 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: a desk. Okay, I walk in. They don't even have 689 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: a desk for me. Yeah, they say, uh, Mr Weaver, 690 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: when he's here, he sits at that desk. He's not 691 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: here a lot. Why don't you take that desk? And 692 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: those are you know, non no cell phone days. Those 693 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: are you know, land land falls. So I look around 694 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself, what in hell have you 695 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: gotten yourself into this time? Because that's what it looked 696 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: like at first, because the wheels weren't in motion, you know, 697 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: until we made it get in motion, until we got 698 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: more people here, and then they would put another trailer around. 699 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: Remember how that went. It would be trailer. Okay, we 700 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: need room, trailer. But the wheels weren't in motion right away. 701 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to drum up, you know, what 702 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: we're going, and putting put putting a plan together and 703 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Another one of those deals 704 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: where I I'm never going back home. They all got 705 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: to come to me, so uh, but that was the first, 706 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: my first introduction. Two, there was no stadium, there was 707 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: no nothing. Okay, we weren't gonna play until but a 708 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: lot of things had to happen quick. Twenty five years later, 709 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: he has desired to bring a Lombardi Trophy to Jacksonville. 710 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: He's still burning as bright as it did back then. 711 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 1: People usually when they leave there, either even when they're booted, 712 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: they don't want anything to do with it. They don't 713 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: come back. But different situations, both both with Boston College 714 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: and with the Giants, and hopefully with this, I hope 715 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: it turns out the same way.