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Speaker 2: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 2: And of course we've got your voicemails and texts and more,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm recording this after party bonus episode a day

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Speaker 2: I'm recording this two days before its release. It's the

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Speaker 2: morning after the Boston Celtics just won their eighteenth title,

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Speaker 2: But I can't do that because Justin Timberlake just got

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Speaker 2: not all of it. There's some there's some good Celtics

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Speaker 2: That's the bridge, Senator Ted Kennedy drove his car off

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Jenner took to x to tweet hashtag OJ Simpson

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Speaker 2: good riddance, to which one quick Wood Control replied, didn't

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Speaker 2: What I do want to hear about is which charity

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Speaker 2: Who's it gonna be you? Oj Simpson, Scottie Scheffler not

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Speaker 1: The worst they do. Keep in mind, the worst they.

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Speaker 2: want to talk about bad Lands. Bad Lands was, of course,

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Speaker 2: One was that it didn't make sense anymore to limit

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Speaker 2: Disgraceland to just music. Music will always be my bread

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Speaker 2: basically who makes up double Elvis or a bunch of

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Speaker 2: a disgrace is the disgrace is a disgrace, so disgrace Land.

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Speaker 2: From now on, all of these subjects will be available

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Speaker 2: all the Badlands episodes have gone, We're going to continue

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Speaker 2: to roll these out as remastered episodes of Disgraceland. These

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Speaker 2: they will feel like disgrace Land episodes, which they are okay,

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Speaker 2: Simpson's infamous White Bronco chase, Give me called voicemail text

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Speaker 2: let me know, just like ed Noar in the four

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