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Speaker 1: it is the annual tradition that is Thanksgiving Week. As
Speaker 1: we are well into what day of the week would
Speaker 1: this be? Make you with the game staring us in
Speaker 1: the face in three days? Wednesday? Okay, it's a Wednesday
Speaker 1: as far as the players are concerned, and the coaches, yes,
Speaker 1: that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday that gets us to a game
Speaker 1: on Friday. It's actually Thursday. In their mind it's Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But if you if you're gonna backtime it from a
Speaker 1: Sunday game day Saturday, yeah, we're already. We just fast
Speaker 1: forwarded through Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. It is Thursday here at
Speaker 1: the Start getting ready for the Buffalo Bills. But there's
Speaker 1: so much to get to about Yesterday in Foxborough, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: Rob and Mickey Garden spot of the universe. Ye. Ever,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna start with rob and Mickey because they
Speaker 1: went on the road trip. Robson see actually was outside.
Speaker 1: The keyword there is you are on the road trip,
Speaker 1: right yeah? Yeah, who needs a tunnel, you know when
Speaker 1: you could be out doing pregame show and that that
Speaker 1: was fun? No, it was good. It was It was
Speaker 1: a good environment. Um. I wish these two teams could
Speaker 1: have played in a dome and we could actually seen
Speaker 1: what both teams can do. I think that the elements
Speaker 1: were for both teams. Um that rain and win was nasty,
Speaker 1: particularly first half early in the game. UM. Story of
Speaker 1: the game, special teams. I know we're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1: It's the field position game. That's why the Patriots are
Speaker 1: ten and one and the Cowboys were. They were awful
Speaker 1: in that regard yesterday and you look at the final stats.
Speaker 1: To me, the biggest one starting field position for New
Speaker 1: England their own forty one yard line. Cowboys ever since
Speaker 1: talked about this all last week, their own twenty one
Speaker 1: yard line having to drive long fields against the top
Speaker 1: ranked defense in the league and they couldn't make enough play.
Speaker 1: This game is gonna play out totally different when they
Speaker 1: meet again on the Groundhog Day. You know, guy, local guys.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I covered a game in weather that
Speaker 1: was so miserable for four full quarters. It never let up.
Speaker 1: It sucked, it was It was bad for in the
Speaker 1: press box. And so we can see the rain coming
Speaker 1: down in the lights and it was blowing across in sheets.
Speaker 1: It looked like the wind got worse than this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a guy like Parker on They happened to
Speaker 1: just you know, pan the crowd and one guy's park
Speaker 1: It was like a flag. It was just right. It
Speaker 1: was just blowing. Yeah, And I was like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is real. It does not look like that on the field.
Speaker 1: On the field, it looked nasty, but you did. You
Speaker 1: couldn't appreciate the wind changes his gear at halftime. You know,
Speaker 1: it's getting When I when I woke up and I
Speaker 1: opened up the window of the hotel, so I'm eight
Speaker 1: floors up and there was a parking garage across the
Speaker 1: street that was just a little bit lower, and it's raining,
Speaker 1: and I can see the water on the ground blowing right,
Speaker 1: and I go, Okay, that winds serious that it's blowing
Speaker 1: it off. So the rain is coming up like like
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. Yeah, it was. I mean it was I
Speaker 1: had to go do my pre so Rod was down
Speaker 1: there doing his pregame show right filming sideline. I had
Speaker 1: to go do my radio pregame segment. But to get
Speaker 1: to where the radio booth was, I had to go
Speaker 1: out on the first level of the field of the stands.
Speaker 1: And it was like I was headed out without a
Speaker 1: jacket and the guy goes, you know that's outside. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll go get in my jacket. And to get there,
Speaker 1: you had to walk undercover. You weren't undercover for part
Speaker 1: of it. And it was like, oh, this is brutal,
Speaker 1: absolutely brutal. And it was. And I noticed that the
Speaker 1: people in the lower section stood the whole game. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe when it's raining, if you're sitting, you
Speaker 1: get and maybe their seats were wet. Yeah, you bring
Speaker 1: a towel, Bill. I was probably flooded down there by
Speaker 1: their feet. I saw a guy with some some of
Speaker 1: the boots on and you know he's sitting down there,
Speaker 1: but it's cover. It's up to his ankle. The water
Speaker 1: was up to his ankle. Sou And as for the game,
Speaker 1: um I had I had pointed out before that. For
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to go there in that atmosphere, playing that
Speaker 1: dean team, that defense that they basically had to be clean,
Speaker 1: almost had to be perfect, couldn't have turnovers, and they
Speaker 1: had two turnovers that led directly to ten of their
Speaker 1: thirteen points. Can have it if you're gonna win and
Speaker 1: beat that team at their place, And that, to me
Speaker 1: was the entire difference in the game. That was, no
Speaker 1: doubt bad. Did you see the interception, Yes, that was
Speaker 1: an amazing interception. It was they didn't I don't know
Speaker 1: if they talked about it much. I don't know Troy
Speaker 1: said much about it on the telecast. But he intercepted
Speaker 1: with his near hand. He didn't intercept with his back.
Speaker 1: I think he intercepted with his near hand, like the
Speaker 1: one that he was swiping with. That's the one that
Speaker 1: caught the ball. I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 1: And it was almost like this freaky thing to where
Speaker 1: as he was trying to knock it down, watching it
Speaker 1: right here. That as he tried to knock it down,
Speaker 1: I think Coop almost trial trying to help. I think
Speaker 1: he almost pushed it. It allowed it to stay in
Speaker 1: this hand, the swipe hand which is extremely unusual. And
Speaker 1: if you think about how wet everything was and for
Speaker 1: him to hold on to that man, and you know,
Speaker 1: and the other thing is, so that play started off
Speaker 1: with a high snap and Dak went up and batted
Speaker 1: it with one hand, got it down. So now the
Speaker 1: timing's off and he starts the roll to his right.
Speaker 1: But he's rolling to his right and he throws side arm. Now,
Speaker 1: if any of you ever throw sidearm, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're follow through goes, the ball goes left, it doesn't
Speaker 1: go right where you needed to lead him, and it
Speaker 1: kind of threw it a little bit behind Cooper, which
Speaker 1: allowed him to make that diving interception. Bad decision on
Speaker 1: Dak's proud. I don't know, but I know when you're
Speaker 1: throwing side arm. That was the only way I can
Speaker 1: throw strikes basically in baseball. So there was no doubt
Speaker 1: it was a bad decision. Yeah, but yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He's terrific, isn't he? Gilmore. I mean, that's the guy
Speaker 1: that they put so much confidence in him. And to
Speaker 1: have a guy that you can basically shout, I mean
Speaker 1: I think he basically shadowed Murray the whole game. I mean,
Speaker 1: did I see a Cooper that was a little bit intimidated. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was intimidated. All I know
Speaker 1: is that he played only fifty two of the sixty
Speaker 1: four plays, so he was coming here on series. Said
Speaker 1: he and Whitton were both out on the one series
Speaker 1: where they were running the ball primarily, and they really
Speaker 1: didn't need him then. But I mean even when he
Speaker 1: was out there participating, it was one time he ran
Speaker 1: the route and looks like uh Dak was looking at
Speaker 1: him like okay, get open, and he's over there as
Speaker 1: if he's a decoy. Well, he had two catches that
Speaker 1: were nullified by penalties, and then he had an almost
Speaker 1: catch that was overturned. So I mean, no one had
Speaker 1: You know, the only guy that had a big day
Speaker 1: receiving was Edelman. I mean he was he was fantastic,
Speaker 1: as we expected. But having said all all this stuff,
Speaker 1: ten points on those two plays the block field. The
Speaker 1: block punt leads to an easy touchdown from twelve yards out,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reason why their starting position
Speaker 1: was at the forty one. When you get one at
Speaker 1: the plus twelve, that certainly helps out the average that
Speaker 1: leads to the punt leads to a touchdown, and then
Speaker 1: the interception leads to a field goal. You got beat
Speaker 1: thirteen nine, and you basically handed them ten points. And
Speaker 1: then you look at the as we do every Monday morning,
Speaker 1: as Monday Morning quarterbacks, you look at quarterback cornerbacks. In
Speaker 1: this case, you so much be Jack. We're talking about
Speaker 1: tripping calls that came out of nowhere. I was. I
Speaker 1: was working with the group last night. I had him
Speaker 1: look up how many I said, how many tripping calls
Speaker 1: have been called this year? Not just on the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but this year. And if I could trust this guy's information,
Speaker 1: he looked up on the computer, if he typed it
Speaker 1: in correctly, he said, five tripping calls have been called
Speaker 1: all year long. This makes seven in the NFL, yeah,
Speaker 1: the fire League, the entire league. And then we get two.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that's got to be an algorithm
Speaker 1: there that could just show you how And that's just
Speaker 1: the first base first time since twenty fifteen that two
Speaker 1: have been called in the same game. You played sixteen
Speaker 1: games a week or close to sixteen weeks. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you played like one hundred and sixty games in the
Speaker 1: league right in in five tripping calls and you get
Speaker 1: two in one game basically by the same guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and invented them phantom. I mean, they didn't happen. There
Speaker 1: was nothing that even resembled tripping and one of them
Speaker 1: and it was, and it was, and they were significant
Speaker 1: plays in the game. Yes, I mean not to mention
Speaker 1: the last drop first year was significant, but it's overshadowed
Speaker 1: by the severe significance of the of the ladder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're moving. And it's just the fact that an official
Speaker 1: can make a call like that and not have better
Speaker 1: court awareness of the significance of that foul in this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to absolutely know that that was
Speaker 1: a penalty that affected that place, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the way they should look at him. You can't
Speaker 1: believe you could call something about the offensive line every
Speaker 1: play of the game if you wanted to. You can
Speaker 1: call a hold, you could, you know. So, Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: blatant that was character said after the game. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff moving around in there, and it's like
Speaker 1: and I and he wouldn't. He was being so politically corrected.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to get fine. Well yeah, well, because
Speaker 1: first of all, they don't want to seem like whiners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because at this point in the season, the team is
Speaker 1: looking like, yeah, they just if once they get that
Speaker 1: first wine out, then everybody's gonna come crashing down on them.
Speaker 1: So now you've got these you know, cookie cuts, their
Speaker 1: responses to everything. Now no one wants to show you
Speaker 1: really just how pissed off they are about the situation.
Speaker 1: Remarkable restraint remarkable because then I finally said, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's try this. Define a tripping penalty to me, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, I guess it is when you stick
Speaker 1: stick your leg out and like purposely tripped, deliberately and deliberate.
Speaker 1: That's what they say, and it doesn't. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be your foot going out, And you can
Speaker 1: trip someone by by sticking your knee out to you.
Speaker 1: And that's what the referee must have seen because both moves,
Speaker 1: both calls came on inside moves by the lineman. So
Speaker 1: you're looking as as alignment offensive lineman. You're coming out
Speaker 1: and you're fanning out to the right. He comes inside,
Speaker 1: you go directly into your knee. He came directly into
Speaker 1: his knee. So now as a player, all you want
Speaker 1: to do is stand strong. Now, you're not sticking the
Speaker 1: knee out, but you are planting your foot in the
Speaker 1: ground to where you don't want to give him free
Speaker 1: wing through your right side. So he just that's just
Speaker 1: the plant in the ground. He was just stepping. He's
Speaker 1: just stepping down to the face. When the force of
Speaker 1: the defender goes into your upper body, you naturally are
Speaker 1: going to fall back with your upper body and your
Speaker 1: leg is gonna go out to go out and get you.
Speaker 1: And Tyring didn't. If he was trying to trip the guy,
Speaker 1: he did a damn belt the worst than because he
Speaker 1: didn't do it. That guy fell on his own. It
Speaker 1: was the guy Mike Mike pier Is. Mike said that
Speaker 1: the second one he thought was deliberate, and he and
Speaker 1: Troy kind of get into he was he was tripping
Speaker 1: on that nice nice So the first one, the first
Speaker 1: one led. It was an incomplete pass anyway, but it
Speaker 1: led to second and twenty three, which led to third
Speaker 1: and nineteen, and then you had to punt on fourth
Speaker 1: and twelve at the thirty and that's when the block occurred.
Speaker 1: You know, I you know, I'm a fan but also
Speaker 1: a player, so I'm gonna fuss about this in either way.
Speaker 1: The holding called as well against Taiwan. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: was just the player gave up. How can you call
Speaker 1: holding the black guy stopped? I agree, it just I mean,
Speaker 1: his hand was on his shoulder, but he wasn't gripping
Speaker 1: them and you could clearly see that the guy was
Speaker 1: just whipped. He had nothing to do with his hand
Speaker 1: being on the shoulder. He was beaten on that call. Now,
Speaker 1: all that being said, the last the tripping call on Frederick.
Speaker 1: I was surprised they threw the ball in that situation.
Speaker 1: It was third and one and I'm on the sideline
Speaker 1: looking at it, and we talked about those weird mix
Speaker 1: and match with their linebackers that they'll do up front.
Speaker 1: They had one down lineman and I think there was
Speaker 1: a third and one earlier in the game, same look.
Speaker 1: They ran a drawed as heke and got five yards.
Speaker 1: So you dropped back and you pass, and you you
Speaker 1: open yourself up to that type of call ball. But
Speaker 1: I can't go there. I can't go there. He thought
Speaker 1: it was a good play. I thought it because it
Speaker 1: was well. Another part of it is it worked and
Speaker 1: he got a bouncy got the first down. Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't go. I mean, you know, that's when we started
Speaker 1: really going down the series. We have a hold. When
Speaker 1: you start talking about what we should have run the ball,
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't have had that. Pat. Well, we made
Speaker 1: the play, period, and there was a bad call. Well,
Speaker 1: and there are running plays, and we've seen it in
Speaker 1: the past. In fact, I remember a game in Detroit
Speaker 1: where there was a running play and the game where
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford won the game on a long pass and
Speaker 1: then the quarterbacks neak to win the game. But remember
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had the ball, they run a safe running play,
Speaker 1: running back bounces it outside and there's a holding call
Speaker 1: on that one. So there are times where even a
Speaker 1: running play, I'm with you, I believe there may have
Speaker 1: been a time out right before that. There's two minute warnings,
Speaker 1: two minute warning, and I was thinking during the two
Speaker 1: minute warning, because I'm big on just get the first down,
Speaker 1: get a new set of downs, and let's go and
Speaker 1: get looked too. I was surprised, but well, there was
Speaker 1: two downs, and there was two down linemen, six defensive
Speaker 1: backs and four linebackers and then your defense. We were
Speaker 1: running it down the throats, right yeah, and we were
Speaker 1: banging the wheel. Good. Yeah, but I would I because
Speaker 1: I'm a novice, I would have called a running play.
Speaker 1: It was I'm not I'm not killing Moore. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I was in hindsight, the better play is what
Speaker 1: the play that they ran. Because you're getting out of
Speaker 1: bounds and you're stopping the clock. You're not losing time
Speaker 1: on the clock. Mell as you say it. Also, when
Speaker 1: you run a pass play, there is more of a
Speaker 1: chance of getting And I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: a hole, not a trip that I saw there as
Speaker 1: a play. That's all. That's all I got on You
Speaker 1: look like like no that, I mean, that's a really
Speaker 1: frustrating call. There's no doubt about it. And then you
Speaker 1: know you think he thought of Mary Mighty made that catch.
Speaker 1: But I guess the ball did hit the ground there.
Speaker 1: It was pretty clear, and and you know, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good catchy. He's like a mother Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, his armies, Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: hell of a catch. But yeah, that's the game right there.
Speaker 1: And they did, you know, Stepan Gilmour tip your cap man.
Speaker 1: He bottled up the best receiver you got for what
Speaker 1: fifty two plays? Yeah? Yeah, So the weather, bottle, bottle,
Speaker 1: anybody one thing I like about this. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: even with the struggles, you know, we want to have
Speaker 1: an identity for this team, we really do, but we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that we can pass the ball
Speaker 1: on anybody. We know we can run the ball to anybody.
Speaker 1: We know we can't stop anybody. Even though the numbers
Speaker 1: look good, if you look at our defensive numbers, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give them to you a great job, please do so.
Speaker 1: In this game, the Cowboys had thirty nine more total yards.
Speaker 1: They had more rushing yards by eight. They had more
Speaker 1: passing yards against the great Tom Brady by twenty two yards.
Speaker 1: They were three or four. On field goals, they were
Speaker 1: one of three or two of four. And then on
Speaker 1: time of possession, the Cowboys had the ball forty four
Speaker 1: seconds or so. Offensively, they kind of dominated them. And
Speaker 1: when it came to first downs, and I heard them say, oh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have only converted two first down. Right, So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were two of thirteen. They were three of fourteen,
Speaker 1: so it was dead even basically. But the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: the same thing the Patriots did. The Patriots didn't make
Speaker 1: those two mistakes well, there was more than two mistakes. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the turnovers. Yeah, I know, but I mean
Speaker 1: you were talking about the hidden yardage and it was
Speaker 1: more than just two plays. That's why I go back
Speaker 1: to the special teams on the last field goal drive
Speaker 1: that New England has. You get back to back penalties
Speaker 1: on the punt and you spot them twenty yards. That
Speaker 1: was a very curious situation. Yeah, can you explain that
Speaker 1: to me? What the heck was Let's do this, Let's
Speaker 1: do this. Let's come back and explain that because we're
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys continues here at the Star in Frisco. After
Speaker 1: a Patriots win over the Cowboys on Sunday, and we
Speaker 1: are three days away from more football at at and
Speaker 1: T Stadium, Cowboys and the Buffalo Bills. And actually, if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys win this game over the Buffalo Bills, they
Speaker 1: will have a victory over a team with a winning record,
Speaker 1: was they will make the playoffs and beat somebody from
Speaker 1: other than Miami, because now that went over Philadelphia is discounted. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just discard that went over Philadelphia because now Philadelphia
Speaker 1: does not have a winning record. So they're three of
Speaker 1: their five losses they're AFC teams. I haven't added it up,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I believe. So yeahn't that right? Yeah? All right,
Speaker 1: you want to discuss that. Let's go all right, so
Speaker 1: you know how it started to get in that situation, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's to remind people what the situation is. So Cowboys
Speaker 1: have third and three at the fifty yard line. Dak
Speaker 1: hits Cooper on a cross for fifteen yards down to
Speaker 1: their thirty five yard line for a first down. And
Speaker 1: that's when the holes got called Tyron Smith that we
Speaker 1: talked about on Jamie Collins. Right. So now it's third
Speaker 1: and thirteen at the fifty and he tries to quick
Speaker 1: out it's incomplete. Now it's fourth and thirteen at the fifty.
Speaker 1: They basically brought everybody in like they were coming for
Speaker 1: a block. They didn't have anybody back, and I think
Speaker 1: it kind of caught the Cowboys by surprise, and Jason
Speaker 1: explained that instead of taking a time out, we just
Speaker 1: took the delay a game to figure out what we
Speaker 1: were going to do. And so they took the five
Speaker 1: yard penalty. It was delay. They didn't get the snap off.
Speaker 1: So now it's fourth and eighteen and they basically they
Speaker 1: had Burke burkehead back kind of back. It was only
Speaker 1: back like ten fifteen yards. So he was to the
Speaker 1: side where the Cowboys gunner was in case they threw
Speaker 1: the ball. Because what they did was they brought their
Speaker 1: guy that was the hold up guy at the last minute.
Speaker 1: They brought him in all right, and so Ventel Bryant said, oh,
Speaker 1: I better come in too otnumbers. He was coming in.
Speaker 1: They snapped it too soon. He didn't get set and
Speaker 1: so they got called for a legal motion. Right, he
Speaker 1: was on the line of scrimmage, yes, and so, And
Speaker 1: as soon as it happened, I said, that's an illegal
Speaker 1: motion because he was not flanked out. He was on
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage exactly. So it has to be
Speaker 1: a shift. So the emotion, so right, if you're on
Speaker 1: if you're lined up as the end and not the flanker,
Speaker 1: but they let the they left the play go right,
Speaker 1: and as it turned out, the punt got downed at
Speaker 1: the eighteen yard line. Eighteen, and now you got to
Speaker 1: kick again and it was a shorter So now you're
Speaker 1: kicking from the Your line of scrimmage is the thirty
Speaker 1: instead of thirty five. So now you've been backed up
Speaker 1: ten yards you've been so if you're at the forty,
Speaker 1: now you were at the fifty two fives to the
Speaker 1: forty and he now you you're at the fifty. You
Speaker 1: had you had a penalty that pushed you back to
Speaker 1: the forty, and then you had another penalty that pushed
Speaker 1: you back to the third or I don't no, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: It was two five yard penals. Okay, go ahead. So
Speaker 1: it's fourth and twenty three at the forty. Only a
Speaker 1: thirty two yard punt, fair head, that's would make the
Speaker 1: difference the yards, yeah, instead of the eighteen. And I
Speaker 1: will tell you I'm right. Okay, here's what happened. You're
Speaker 1: at the fifty. Yeah, yeah, to listen to me. You're
Speaker 1: at the fifty. You had a hold on Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: that pushed you back to the forties. Okay, No, No,
Speaker 1: the hold was on third down. It was third and
Speaker 1: three at fifty, third and three at the fifty, and
Speaker 1: there's a hold that made it third and thirteen at
Speaker 1: the forty. Then you had a delay a game that
Speaker 1: pushed you back to the thirty five, and then you
Speaker 1: had the illegal motion which pushed you back to the thirty. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hidden yardage, man. I wrote it. I wrote it down
Speaker 1: ever since old coach Bill Parcels. He harped on that
Speaker 1: a lot. And see, these are the games that and
Speaker 1: we talked about it. You gotta be flawless coming in
Speaker 1: because they're not gonna make the mistakes. They're gonna wait
Speaker 1: for you to make the mistakes. And sure enough, we
Speaker 1: feel right into it. And then and we didn't just
Speaker 1: voluntarily just go in and give it up. No, this
Speaker 1: is a good defense. They force what they forced, but
Speaker 1: we were also implicitly what happened. And then guess what happens.
Speaker 1: They end up kicking a forty two yard field goal.
Speaker 1: So those twenty yards we talked about, they would have
Speaker 1: never been in field goal range because they ran at
Speaker 1: the said it was more than just the two. And see,
Speaker 1: it's just a game like this. You can't judge how
Speaker 1: good you are as a team. You know when you
Speaker 1: execute right. And that's what we want to see. How
Speaker 1: good we're both teams going to be when they are
Speaker 1: able to execute. And it's hard to really judge both
Speaker 1: teams when you have the situation, the climate, and the
Speaker 1: conditions the way they were. I just really don't I
Speaker 1: don't look at it as a game to where you
Speaker 1: can say, you know what, you know, these guys didn't
Speaker 1: get any better. You can't really say we didn't get
Speaker 1: any better. What we did show that is that when
Speaker 1: you look at super Dome with the crowd and all
Speaker 1: these other activities, when you look at New England with
Speaker 1: the weather, we don't adapt well to unusual situations that
Speaker 1: we can't see when when it comes to that, it
Speaker 1: seems too we seem to be more overwhelmed by the
Speaker 1: conditions than the opposing team. Yeah. I think the Patriots
Speaker 1: handled the rain overall better, at least at least in
Speaker 1: the kicking game. And they Belichick talked about it after
Speaker 1: the game that we wanted to challenge them, challenge their
Speaker 1: ball handling in that situation. And I mean they ever since, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's their strength. They're as good as anybody
Speaker 1: in the league, the best, and it took advantage in
Speaker 1: their environment. It wasn't. I mean, Mickey's right in the
Speaker 1: fact that Tom Brady didn't have a good day, you know,
Speaker 1: the rain affected everybody. Defense played really well, but two
Speaker 1: of thirteen on third down, I mean, you think you
Speaker 1: could do better than that, especially when you're the best
Speaker 1: third down team in the league offensively. They just didn't
Speaker 1: make enough. They're the best third down defense in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I bet they thought they were better
Speaker 1: than three of fourteen two. All right, let's take the
Speaker 1: scenario further into the next possession for the Cowboys, where
Speaker 1: after the field go by New England makes it thirteen
Speaker 1: to six, and then the kickoff and the Cowboys wind
Speaker 1: up starting at their own eleven yard line. Now, as
Speaker 1: it turned turns out, and we can talk about the
Speaker 1: alignment of the deep guy Tony Pollard, and he should
Speaker 1: have been up at the ten rather than the goal line.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys they overcame that because they went fifty
Speaker 1: nine yards to Randall Cob and flipped the field and
Speaker 1: got down into field goal range themselves and wind up
Speaker 1: kicking the field gap. Heck of a player there finally
Speaker 1: got loose something offensively, big chunk play. That's the thing,
Speaker 1: like I said, I like about this team. We've got
Speaker 1: so many weapons to where Okay, Coop's not available, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can still go with the Cob. That's going to
Speaker 1: be a mismatch. Gallup still came through with some really
Speaker 1: good catches. I mean he drops passes and d at
Speaker 1: and T Stadium. Then he comes out here in New
Speaker 1: England and its wet is I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: sure handed this can be. And I figured we would
Speaker 1: make a couple of big catches for him. So on
Speaker 1: that kickoff, they were kicking into the wind and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, going the ball's not going to get to
Speaker 1: the endline, the end zone, end zone, so he needs
Speaker 1: to be at the ten or twenty. Well, what they
Speaker 1: did was they brought Wally a little bit further back,
Speaker 1: and Wally was right there to catch it, and they
Speaker 1: called him I think he called it. I couldn't see,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't see if he said like outfield,
Speaker 1: it's like in the outfield center fielders coming up the
Speaker 1: center fielder and he's like, I got it, I got it,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden he stepped out of the way.
Speaker 1: And that's what's what Old Wally was supposed to be
Speaker 1: there for to catch it. If it came out, he
Speaker 1: had to be called off. He wouldn't just night catch it.
Speaker 1: And when he's put in there to catch it, unless
Speaker 1: he heard footsteps, well, I hope you heard. I hope
Speaker 1: you heard the voice, and maybe it was Polo saying
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. And then when it drops,
Speaker 1: Polo's way out of position, because you know, you want
Speaker 1: to be as the balls coming in particular trajecture, you
Speaker 1: want to be within that trajecture. He was over to
Speaker 1: the side. It passed him. He had to go get it.
Speaker 1: Then it gets back to where he lined up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's running full speed to get there and you're
Speaker 1: looking up in the rain. By the way, he thought
Speaker 1: he had a home run hitter at the plate. He
Speaker 1: got up lined up on the warning track. And so
Speaker 1: now you got to start Texas, You got to start
Speaker 1: at the eleven eleven yard line, right, But but then
Speaker 1: they overcame that with the fifty nine yard or the
Speaker 1: cop Okay, so now we get down to the end
Speaker 1: of this thing. Right. Now we get down to the
Speaker 1: end of that possession, which is just over six minutes
Speaker 1: to play in the game. And you got first down
Speaker 1: at the fourteen, zeke for three, second and seven at
Speaker 1: the eleven. Should have been zeke for three instead it
Speaker 1: was incomplete. Should have been third and four for three
Speaker 1: more and it was incomplete. Jar went in the back
Speaker 1: of the end zone and fourth and seven one. So
Speaker 1: how close was that in the back of the end zone?
Speaker 1: Didn't look out? How close was it? Both feet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when when Dak released it, I say, oh, I threw
Speaker 1: it out the out of the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: I didn't think there was any chance when he released it.
Speaker 1: I was surprised it was as close at thinking this
Speaker 1: stuff it try happily against that. Very good. We can
Speaker 1: do sound good. We can discuss what they should have done.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately Plague Jarwin didn't catch it in bows all right,
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Speaker 1: where we left off was with just over six minutes
Speaker 1: to play in that football game in Foxborough on Sunday,
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys faced a third and seven, the incomplete
Speaker 1: pass to Blake Jarwin in the back of the end zone,
Speaker 1: and if only they could have got a little bit
Speaker 1: closer and instead of facing fourth and seven, how about
Speaker 1: fourth and two, and they had that opportunity, they would
Speaker 1: have gone for it, right, fourth and three still would
Speaker 1: have gone for it. Little Manage said, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: think that could have gotten gotten it too, Like if
Speaker 1: you had not thrown it, I thought on third down
Speaker 1: they should have would just say, hey, we're running it
Speaker 1: twice because it's the four down, it's four down territory there.
Speaker 1: But when you don't, when you're still at seven, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't question the call. I mean at fourth and seven,
Speaker 1: I think you take the points, but it's it's down
Speaker 1: to that third down. You have a play in mind
Speaker 1: on third down to try to get you to a
Speaker 1: manageable fourth down instead of going for the end zone.
Speaker 1: That that was that's the issue. I don't know obviously
Speaker 1: what the what the thinking was there on third down,
Speaker 1: but that's what impacted it. So I agree, I would
Speaker 1: have tried to get it as close as possible, okay,
Speaker 1: to make it four. But at fourth and seven, I'm
Speaker 1: taking the points. And the reason I'm taking the points
Speaker 1: is because now you've made it a four point game
Speaker 1: and there's six or four left and New England, in
Speaker 1: order to put the game away now has to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Okay, Hey, they go down and kick a
Speaker 1: field goal, you're still within seven. And if you talk
Speaker 1: to Troy Eigman, he was swearing, yes, that was the
Speaker 1: most horrible decision right right that Jason Garrett has ever made.
Speaker 1: He was all over him. He might as well just
Speaker 1: extremely opinionated and just stuck a sword right, like, wow,
Speaker 1: wen't they teammates save? People don't consider? People don't consider. Okay,
Speaker 1: what are the ramifications if you don't make the first
Speaker 1: because if you go for it, you're gonna make it, okay,
Speaker 1: And you got Tom Brady leading that team down the field,
Speaker 1: and you have to say, we get it back if
Speaker 1: we don't make it. Yeah, and all they got to
Speaker 1: do is kick a field goal, and now they had
Speaker 1: a ten point lead on you, and the game is over.
Speaker 1: He turns out defense did stop him. You got the
Speaker 1: ball back. Not only with two thirty eight left in
Speaker 1: the game, you also had three timeouts left. You got
Speaker 1: what you wanted. And and so even as it turned out,
Speaker 1: even with the horrible call by the official and the
Speaker 1: Patriots take over with less than two minutes to go,
Speaker 1: minute forty whatever it was with at the at your
Speaker 1: twenty five yard line because you kicked the field goal.
Speaker 1: You're still in the football game, and all you have
Speaker 1: to do is get a stop and you're gonna I'm
Speaker 1: talking their last possession where they ran two plays and
Speaker 1: got a first down. You get a stop there, they're
Speaker 1: kicking a field goal and you're still only down a
Speaker 1: touchdown and you got more than a minute left in
Speaker 1: the game. That's true, but that's why you kicked the
Speaker 1: field goal there. See, So Eightman's comments is what really
Speaker 1: sparked us to think more than definitely. But but again,
Speaker 1: I mean third down was key though, because if you'd
Speaker 1: run a different third down play, you get yourself in
Speaker 1: better possession. But where that was not his concern at all.
Speaker 1: He was adamant about what a horrible decision it was
Speaker 1: to kick the field goal, period, regardless. And the thinking
Speaker 1: on that is that is that how many chances are
Speaker 1: you gonna have you get down there? Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: also have to think this is the best third down
Speaker 1: defense exactly. They haven't given up many testdowns at all
Speaker 1: that you haven't shown to be effective against him in
Speaker 1: this particular situation. Let's just just let's take our losses
Speaker 1: right now, kick this field goal. We come back here. Actually,
Speaker 1: he actually said if I and maybe you remember Coby
Speaker 1: uh when it was first intend at the fourteen, when
Speaker 1: it was first intend at the fourteen, and you can't
Speaker 1: call me that young fellow. Good He said, they're in
Speaker 1: four down territory before they even ran a play, so
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to back off when it was they.
Speaker 1: I agree they were important. You just said that poor
Speaker 1: down territory. As long as you get it down there
Speaker 1: to wear on fourth, then you're in a manageable situation
Speaker 1: fourth down. See and they and they they hadn't run
Speaker 1: that that that zone read play the entire game, and
Speaker 1: on first down they run it and basically New England
Speaker 1: stop the same thing against the Vikings, right, same play, right,
Speaker 1: And it didn't right. It was that close, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. When you're that close, everything's compacted. So the
Speaker 1: defense is not gonna get fooled to the point where there.
Speaker 1: This is the new norm in the NFL. And I've
Speaker 1: seen it. I know exactly what you're talking about. When
Speaker 1: we grew up, Bill, you remember, they just had to
Speaker 1: stray dive play. Quarterback just turns around, he doesn't even
Speaker 1: have to move. I'm the center here, comes that fullback
Speaker 1: of that running back, he comes in right. Remember we
Speaker 1: grew up on that. Now, all the all offenses they
Speaker 1: take the ball to the running back and then let
Speaker 1: him pick his poison. And to me, they've done that
Speaker 1: even in the end zone. And I mean day, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about all offenses in the NFL. They've done that
Speaker 1: even when they're in the end zone, so that there's
Speaker 1: no fear of that play. I think they feel that
Speaker 1: the defensive back is at a better advantage by having
Speaker 1: us give him the ball so he can pick the
Speaker 1: hole that he wants. Yes, and then all it got
Speaker 1: was three yards. Okay, So anything else of note from
Speaker 1: this game before we put it to bed rise upset
Speaker 1: Jerry was after the game. They've never the other thing.
Speaker 1: He had some strong comments after the game. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard him that frustrated postgame interview, and I just read
Speaker 1: the transcript. I wasn't actually there, maker you there. I
Speaker 1: heard like a third of it, I think, and I
Speaker 1: left and I came back and he was still going.
Speaker 1: So here's what I say. If Jason Garrett is not
Speaker 1: as hands on it he needs to be in every
Speaker 1: facet of this game of his team, then he should
Speaker 1: get there. He should have abably been there. You know,
Speaker 1: he felt that he had capable coaches. We've never had
Speaker 1: problems with special teams. And this is the first year
Speaker 1: where you can say special teams is a detriment to
Speaker 1: this team. Yeah, any other year, special teams is our strength.
Speaker 1: It's always the most consistent. And now this coach of
Speaker 1: this team is in the position that they're really not
Speaker 1: accustomed to, and it's costing us games. Two close losses
Speaker 1: in the last three or four games. The Minnesota changed
Speaker 1: because of special teams. Yeah, you got a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys out, you know what, and and and they're
Speaker 1: coached and you know that if they can't do the difference,
Speaker 1: there's somebody starters out there. But it's for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a starter, I'm thinking, well, I played special teams,
Speaker 1: but you're putting me on pot coverage. And how often
Speaker 1: does that happen? I think about you got forty six
Speaker 1: man roster, Think about the mistakes that were made. You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: young guys. Then tell Bryan he's a rookie, never played
Speaker 1: in the league until the Cowboys put him out because
Speaker 1: of special teams. Let's let's not give him too much now,
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver. Yeah, so the rules still stand
Speaker 1: your pot coverage or why if you're moving, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you're doing and know the ramifications of if you move
Speaker 1: versus on the line, off the line versus. I assume
Speaker 1: he thought he was going to get there before the snap,
Speaker 1: that he was going to get be able to get
Speaker 1: lined up and get set. And then that's the fullback
Speaker 1: has to say wait or because they kind of quicked
Speaker 1: out and the center doesn't know what's going on out
Speaker 1: there right. All he knows is he has a snapping right.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing we didn't mention the fact
Speaker 1: that when they were going to the left on the
Speaker 1: TV screen to kick that first field goal, which he
Speaker 1: had trouble with going in warmups, going that way, I
Speaker 1: was going, oh, I don't know about forty six yards right,
Speaker 1: how did he miss? It? Bounced off the upright, right
Speaker 1: up the upright. Yeah, it was good. It was good
Speaker 1: until it faded a little bit. Very dramatic camera shot
Speaker 1: by the way on TV. Guess you can see the
Speaker 1: ball for the most part. If I remember there was
Speaker 1: a five yard false start in there by Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: on that there was and if that thing was five
Speaker 1: yards closer, he'd have made it now it would have
Speaker 1: been thirteen twelve instead of thirteen nine. But that they
Speaker 1: were that close on that deal. It's I'm about kicking
Speaker 1: from that side of the field because I think folks
Speaker 1: misses were both from that side as well, and warm
Speaker 1: ups in warmups, I didn't either. He didn't know he
Speaker 1: was still in the league either. We had a chance
Speaker 1: folks kicking. Somebody said, you know what, somebody in the
Speaker 1: press box that all folks just kicked like he did
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, all folks and and uh and he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the league a month ago. Wow, that he's
Speaker 1: the third rd they had guys, They had Mike Nugent
Speaker 1: before him, and so he's he's unborrowed time. No telling
Speaker 1: who the Patriots are going to have kicking for them
Speaker 1: when the rematch occurs on Groundhogs Day. You never know.
Speaker 1: It's sticking by it. I am sticking by it all right.
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