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Speaker 1: So we're talking about trades today on One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: One of the great trades in the history of the

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Speaker 1: franchise was made in nineteen eighty eight where the second

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Speaker 1: player picked overall in the draft was traded for by

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Speaker 1: a three team deal for the Buffalo Bills. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the signature moves that Hall of Fame general manager

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Speaker 1: Bill Polian made, and it was one of those that

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Speaker 1: put the Buffalo Bills on the map. The result really

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Speaker 1: the bottom line and the crown jewel of the entire

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Speaker 1: trade turned out to be a rookie linebacker named Cornelius Bennett,

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Speaker 1: who joins us now on One Bills Live. Biscuit, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 1: Everything is a great saving. How are you doing, Bro,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing better than I deserve. Actually, I want to

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. I what do you remember you

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Speaker 1: know when you first tell me about finding out who

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Speaker 1: gave you the call? How did you know? When did

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Speaker 1: you know it was in the works, and how complicated

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Speaker 1: it was going to be? Tell us what you remember.

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Speaker 1: The day started out, flying from sum through Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: just sitting in the Delta clown room for seemed like forever,

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Speaker 1: knowing that that would be a trade at some point

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Speaker 1: during the day because you know, it's right up on

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline or something had to happen either that

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Speaker 1: was now it's going a good trader. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: sit out and go back in the draft. I had

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Speaker 1: made those kind of plans. You know, we're ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: And my agent at the time, Richard Woods, would disappear

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Speaker 1: for it seemed like forever and go have conversations with

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Speaker 1: and like in the o eleventh hours. So he came

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Speaker 1: back and said, Buffalo just came in the picture and

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Speaker 1: they're looking at looking good and trying to work out

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Speaker 1: the trade with a couple of other teams, and I'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you and update you again. And when

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Speaker 1: he came back to Bill had been done and he

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Speaker 1: had made the arrangements for us to fly from Atlanta

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo to steal basically to steal the deal. And

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Speaker 1: so that was Halloween Day of nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, prettiest,

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Speaker 1: Genra for your question for you even for that, what

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Speaker 1: what was the issue with Indie? Was it money? Was

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Speaker 1: it just you didn't want to play there. What you

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Speaker 1: were you were sitting out for the first two months

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Speaker 1: of the season, or at least I know there was

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Speaker 1: a strike in there, a work disruption, But what what

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Speaker 1: was it about Indie that made you not want to

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Speaker 1: play there? I like how you said work destruction. There

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Speaker 1: was a strike, yeah, but UM and it was the

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Speaker 1: same reason why I said, the active players at that

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Speaker 1: when it all boils down to UM Indianapolis, UH grafted

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Speaker 1: me back and overall and said that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: Tough Sluse to Indianapolis to UM do the deal. And

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Speaker 1: by the time I would get that, a deal would

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Speaker 1: last time that I went up there to do that,

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Speaker 1: made plans to secure a loan from a bank. I

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Speaker 1: was just gonna try to spantas clues to finish up

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Speaker 1: school if I could and go back in the draft

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Speaker 1: and next year, you know, Bo Jackson had just did

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Speaker 1: that outside of playing um, you know, um recreational ball

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I wonder, and you mentioned your agent

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Speaker 1: You know. I had some great grooming from from Ray Perkins,

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Speaker 1: if I had burned those bridges twelve years prior, I

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Speaker 1: and he told me, like, hey, put put the playbook down.

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Speaker 1: and it fooited my game. Yeah, I did, as I remember.

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Speaker 1: and it's also fitting that he told you to put

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Speaker 1: the playbook down right. Well, I mean, Daryl was smarter

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Speaker 1: he said, you know we are thicker than blood right now,

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Speaker 1: linebacker Cornelius Bennett talking about his trade Halloween Trade nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty seven. There's a lot of talk about that first

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Speaker 1: Steve has mentioned a couple of times, the first game

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Speaker 1: I've never talked to him about it. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on being a part of the top ten trades

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah. I don't let Eric get it,

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Speaker 1: time probably is Yeah, thanks Biscuit, Thank you care man

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Speaker 1: Quinia spent a part of that huge trade thirty one

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