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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the Whitetail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. This week, in

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Speaker 2: the show, we're doing some listener Q and a yep.

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Speaker 2: I am answering a whole pile of questions from you,

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Speaker 2: covering topics such as turkey hunting, introducing kids to the outdoors,

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Speaker 2: deer hunting tactics, the sale of public lands, fly fishing,

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Speaker 2: my new book Whitetails in Alaska, and a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their camera for

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Speaker 2: Conservation Initial and today it's just you and I and

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Speaker 2: we're doing one of our Q and A episodes. I

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Speaker 2: do a couple of these a year, it seems like,

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Speaker 2: in which I try to tackle some of the many

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Speaker 2: questions that I get from you guys throughout the year,

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Speaker 2: whether that's through email or direct messages or comments on

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Speaker 2: social media. It's hard to get to all those, so

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Speaker 2: I like doing one of these. Ever once in a

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Speaker 2: while to talk about different topics, to talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about what's going on in my life and with

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Speaker 2: my hunting and fishing in outdoor pursuits, and to see,

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Speaker 2: you know, what things you guys are curious to learn

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Speaker 2: more about. So that's the plan here today. I have

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Speaker 2: a very wide array of questions from you guys. I've

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Speaker 2: got everything from questions around turkey hunting tactics and deer

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Speaker 2: hunting tactics, to you know, ideas and questions around bringing

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Speaker 2: kids into the outdoors or your spouse how to introduce

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Speaker 2: new folks to these activities that we love so much.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about my new book. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk a little bit more about my latest film

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Speaker 2: on Meat Eater, about white tails possibly making it to Alaska.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some questions around threats to

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Speaker 2: our public lands, the culture of deer hunting, fly fishing,

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Speaker 2: a little bit and a bunch more, a bunch more

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Speaker 2: along those lines and everywhere in between. So that's the

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Speaker 2: game plan today. I don't want to spend too much

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Speaker 2: you two updates from my world about what I just

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Speaker 2: did and about what I'm just about to do. I

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Speaker 2: just finished up my annual turkey camp here in Michigan,

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Speaker 2: where a handful of my longtime hunting buddies get together.

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Speaker 2: There's like five or six of us from Michigan, another

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Speaker 2: couple out in Iowa. Some of the guys that longtime

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Speaker 2: listeners right might remember from the very early days of

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt back when we were doing are very

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Speaker 2: rougher on the edges, YouTube episodes and whatnot. But that

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Speaker 2: crew got back together at my buddies farm here and

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Speaker 2: so other Michigan and we had two and a half days.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of fun, And I think that's

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Speaker 2: something uniquely special about turkey hunting is that it's so

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Speaker 2: much fun because of the social aspect of it. You know,

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Speaker 2: when deer hunting, there's so much that can go wrong.

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Speaker 2: There's so many different variables that you need to try

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Speaker 2: you know, usually do it as a single person pursuit,

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Speaker 2: maybe one other person, but it's tough to get away

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Speaker 2: And then when you find a turkey somewhere, then we

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Speaker 2: But you know, as we've talked a lot over the years,

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Speaker 2: how important that camaraderie and fellowship is as a part

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Speaker 2: And I'm going there to do a handful of different things,

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Speaker 2: exploring the past, present, and future of America's public lands.

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Speaker 2: it explored our public land story, how we got here,

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Speaker 2: in future of America's and wildlife. So how did we

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Speaker 2: What's happening? Why is it happening? And what does it

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Speaker 2: the people whose lives revolve around these things. That's what

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Speaker 2: the new book's about. And the unique thing I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to bring to this conversation about wildlife is my perspective,

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Speaker 2: our perspective as hunters and anglers. What can hunters and

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Speaker 2: the larger environmental movement learn from hunters and anglers and

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Speaker 2: how we have been conservationists and advocates, and how we

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Speaker 2: deep and abiding love and care for these critters. All

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Speaker 2: of that will be covered in this new book, and

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. So I'm wrapping up the first

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Speaker 2: have got to do it again. You know, you're going

432
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: into it with knowing you have a very short time

433
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: for him, like this is a thirty minute hunt, or

434
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: this is a forty five minute hunt, and we'll get

435
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: the most out of it. We can have fun and

436
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: then get him to school. I don't think afternoon hunts

437
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: are impossible, though, if it's legal in your state. I've

438
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: had a lot of good luck in the afternoons. But

439
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: we oftentimes look at it more as like a nature walk.

440
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: We'll go on a walk we'll kind of I'll call

441
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: it walk and squawk. You'll walk around, do some calls,

442
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: walk around, do some calls, walk around, do some calls,

443
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: and glass as you're going along. And it's fun just

444
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: to be out there exploring nature with your kids. Sometimes

445
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: to get lucky and you'll strike one up and then

446
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you've got this fun, exciting hunt

447
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: that takes place. But worst case scenario, even if you

448
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: don't get one to show up, or you don't get

449
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: anything gobbling, you still are out there doing something fun.

450
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: So I think that's a great way to keep your

451
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: kids interested, and you know, get out there more often

452
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: for these evening hunts after school. Lower risk, but there's

453
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: some upside and we've certainly enjoyed that. We just went

454
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: out last week, me and the boys, and this exact

455
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: scenario is what happened. We went out, we were going

456
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: to go for a walk, and if it happened to

457
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: come together, it happened to come together. Like I mentioned,

458
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: my youngest son now is is with a license and hunting.

459
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: So we went out, we struck up a bird. We

460
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: actually came over hill, saw some birds down to kind

461
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: of a low spot in a cut cornfield, snuck back,

462
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: made an ender out on them, set up closer to

463
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: them in the timber, did some calling, got them to

464
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: gobble back. But then I looked behind me and in

465
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: a field there was a separate gobbler like racing, and

466
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: he ended up running right in on a on a

467
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: line right to us. Got both the boys on either

468
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: side of me on the tree. My youngest is five,

469
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: my oldest is seven. Everyone's very excited. We're talking through

470
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: the scenarios and what to do and how we're going

471
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: to do this, and that turkey got to about fifty

472
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: yards and then kind of got like a little bit

473
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: wigged out. Maybe he just couldn't see the hen he

474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: was looking for, or maybe one of the boys moved

475
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: a little bit, but he didn't really spook spook, but

476
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: he just circled us at fifty yards and went around

477
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: us and just would never come any closer. And you know,

478
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: for my son, it's it's gonna have to be a

479
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: really close, really great shot for his first bird. So

480
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: super fun experience, though, And you know that that way

481
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: we've gone about it has seemed to work very well

482
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: because both the boys are really excited about it and

483
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: continue to want to get out there and you just

484
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: enjoy the spring woods and have some turkey fun hopefully

485
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: along the way too. Let's see Tipper Outdoors asks if

486
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: there's a tark buck in the air, should I still

487
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: do prep for the season, like using a chainsaw and

488
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 2: stuff like that, And I would say absolutely, especially if

489
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: you're talking about doing that right now in April or

490
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: May or June. Really for a lot of months now,

491
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: any activity you do in the woods should not negatively

492
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: impact you come hunting season. I am not afraid to

493
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: do food plot work, chainsaw work, tree stand where, trail

494
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: camera work, anything like that up until about a month

495
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: before my hunts start. Now, I will say that if

496
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: you're trying to get you know, summer inventory, excuse me,

497
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: if you're trying to get inventory on your trail cameras,

498
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of activity in the farm will definitely not

499
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: help you when it comes to those summer pictures. So

500
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: if you are, you know, really wanting to get that

501
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: kind of data now, you might want to do less

502
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: of that prep work once your trail cameras are out.

503
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: Once I put my summer cameras out, I largely try

504
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: to keep my prep activities to chunks of time. So

505
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: instead of like doing something every day of every weekend,

506
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: I would rather like spend three days all day, get

507
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: a bunch done, and then leave the farm alone for

508
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: as much as I possibly can. So I kind of

509
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: do this like batch work, where you get a bunch

510
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: done in a short period of time instead of a

511
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: little bit on a bunch of different days. That said,

512
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: for me, I like to make sure that from the

513
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: end of August until opening Day in Michigan, which is

514
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: October first, that I leave any properties that can hunt

515
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: as alone as I possibly can. So I try to

516
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: have everything done by August thirtieth, so that for a

517
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: full month they can be untouched, and then when I

518
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: start hunting, I can be you know, hunting a pretty

519
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: comfortably deer, a pretty comfortable deer population. And then I

520
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: keep my hunting and access very low impact, very minimal

521
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: from there on out for the rest of the hunting season.

522
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: But the rest of the year, I'm out on these

523
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: properties a lot, scouting, doing work, walking around with the kids,

524
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: turkey hunting, having a good time. I think you're going

525
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: to be fine in that case. Even if there's a

526
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: specific target buck, you know, they get pretty used to

527
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: some level of human activity, and they might not move

528
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: in the daylight hours as much, but give them that

529
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: safety come hunting season and they'll start doing it. Uh.

530
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Carson Decker asks for ideas about how to create good

531
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: access to a stand that does not have good access currently. Well,

532
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: there can be many different scenarios and many different kind

533
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: of examples of what this bad access could look like.

534
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: So you know, I can't give you a incredibly helpful

535
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: answer without knowing exactly what your specific situation is. But

536
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: that said, a few high level ideas. Number One, there

537
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: might just be some spots that are going to be

538
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 2: tough to access no matter what, and nothing you do

539
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: can change that. And in those kinds of spots, it

540
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: comes down to hunting decisions. So how often will you

541
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: hunt that spot and when will you hunt that spot?

542
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: If it is a hard to access place, you just

543
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: got to know that if you're gonna hunt it, you're

544
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: going to make an impact. So every single time you

545
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: go in there, it's gonna make things worse for the

546
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: next time around. So first off, you need to take

547
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: those swings at the right times. So make sure you

548
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: know that, Okay, the day I'm going to go in

549
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: there has got to be one of those absolute highest

550
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: odds for that location. So maybe this specific location is

551
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: only good at a certain time of year. If that's

552
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: the case, make sure that at that certain time of

553
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: the year that's when you take your swings. Maybe it's

554
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: just a great rut spot, or maybe it's a great

555
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: spot all times of the year, but there'll be a

556
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: certain time of the year where it's the very very best.

557
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Save it for that very best moment. And then, secondly,

558
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: know that you can't hunt over and over and over

559
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: and over again. So realize that, Okay, I'm gonna save

560
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: this for the best time, and then I recognize that

561
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: I might only have a couple shots, and then it's

562
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: probably gonna burn out. And so hunt it with an

563
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: understanding that you better hunt it just right that first

564
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: or second time. You better not only get the timing right,

565
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: but you better do everything right. Make sure that you

566
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: know when you go in there, do it the best

567
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: possible way you can, even if it's not perfect. Stay

568
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: all day, if you can stay as long as you

569
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: possibly can, do you know, cross every teed dot, every eye.

570
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: Make sure that you have used this high risk, high

571
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: reward moment appropriately. Get the best possible outcome out of

572
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: that high risk that you possibly can. Now. That said,

573
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: there might be other ways to improve that access. Maybe

574
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: it's just cutting in a trail by you know, clearing

575
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: brush and tree limbs, or raking out a pathway so

576
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: you can be at least a little quieter when you

577
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: get in there. Maybe there's open fields that you need

578
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: to traverse to get to this spot. If you own

579
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: this land or manage this land and are allowed to

580
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: do you know, land improvements, you could plant a screen

581
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: that might visually block you, like trees or switch grass

582
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: or or some kind of tall vegetation that will block

583
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: visibility so you can come in and out of a

584
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: spot without critter seeing you. You can make screens by

585
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: hinge cutting trees down and laying treetops into a wall

586
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: to block your site. You can use creeks, streams, lakes,

587
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: anything like that, ponds for access anytime, you can use

588
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: water to access, or being down low beneath the siteline

589
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: of most other wildlife that can make for great access

590
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: and exits. All of those things could help. I also

591
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: will use vehicles if possible, so if I know there's

592
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: a location that is hard to get into, or out

593
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: of if I can, I will always use a bike

594
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: or an e bike or you know, if you can't

595
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: get in there yourself or sorry, if you have someone

596
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: who can get in there with you to help with

597
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: a UTV or a truck to pick you up or

598
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: drop you off, that's then another great option. So anytime

599
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: I know I've got a high impact location that I

600
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: can get into by myself without messing things up, if

601
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: I've got a friend or family member nearby, I will

602
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: plead and beg and barter with them to try to

603
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: get a pick up or drop off, Because a wheeled

604
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: vehicle pushing you in there and spooking off the deer

605
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: is a lot better than you on foot walking in

606
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: there and spooking off the deer. So keep all those

607
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: ideas in mind. Access and exit can really educate a

608
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: deer herd and quickly change you know, what kind of

609
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: activity you see. So this is an important conversation to

610
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: be having. Let's see Nick Marking asked if I have

611
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: plans to do another ultra some more trail running, and

612
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: the answer is yes, I do. And I say that

613
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: because another answer to another question, M Buckley asked me,

614
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: has running made you a better deer hunter. And if so,

615
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: how and why so The answer is yes to that

616
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: as well, and that's why I plan to continue some

617
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: of these trail marathons and hopefully some bigger, real ultras

618
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: in the future. And I think that this has benefited

619
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: me for a number of different reasons. One thing, I

620
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: think running and training for races helps you build discipline,

621
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: and it forces you to become regimented with, you know,

622
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: doing hard things even when you don't want to do them,

623
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: and that's important for hunting, that's important for success on

624
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: a lot of different fields. And you know, by doing races,

625
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: it forces me to stick to my plan, It forces

626
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: me to stick to my goals, It forces me to

627
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: be accountable. When I didn't have the races and I

628
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: was just saying, well, I want to run every week

629
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: a handful of times to stay healthy, it was just

630
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: too easy to say, well, I'm too busy today, or

631
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: I've got this other thing going on, or the excuses

632
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: were very easy to come by. But when you know

633
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: that you've got a twenty mile race, or a thirteen

634
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: mile race or something like that, or thirty five mile race,

635
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: if that is coming down the line, then you know

636
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: that it's on the schedule for a month from now

637
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: or six months from now, and you know that you

638
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: were going to get your tail absolutely kicked if you

639
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: are not physically ready for it. That keeps you honest,

640
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: That keeps you sticking to your plan and your training regimen.

641
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: And so I just realized that I need that stick

642
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: in the future. I need to have that little extra

643
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: something to keep me at it. And so by doing that,

644
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: by signing up for these races, it keeps me running,

645
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: It keeps me training, and those things a build discipline,

646
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: like I said, which is one of those kind of

647
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: mental muscles that is so important as a deer hunter.

648
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: And then it also keeps me physically fit, which again

649
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: also very important as a deer hunter, especially a deer

650
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: hunter like many of us are, who you know, try

651
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: to be pretty mobile. We're hiking in deep into public

652
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: land or you know, doing the long way, or into

653
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: our hunting spots. Even on private land, we're climbing up

654
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: and down trees. You want to be comfortable doing that.

655
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: You want to be not huffing and puffing and sweating

656
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: to death and dying out there. You want to be

657
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: able to do it with a level of ease and comfort,

658
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: so that you can be focused mentally on the stuff

659
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: that you know you should be doing in the moment,

660
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: which is making decisions about how to hunt or where

661
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: to hunt, or how to adjust to whatever you're seeing.

662
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: If you're out there miserable because you can't physically handle it,

663
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: you're just not going to be able to be as

664
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: effective as you possibly could. So the running has been

665
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: something that has kept me honest, has kept me disciplined,

666
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: has made me more physically fit, and it's fun for me.

667
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm honestly not a gym guy. I don't like being

668
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: in the gym. I like being outside, and running has

669
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: been that thing for me personally that has been that

670
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 2: sweet spot of good for you physically, good for you mentally,

671
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: and then also something that you just enjoy doing, and

672
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: if you enjoy doing it, you're more likely to stick

673
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: to it as well. So trail running specifically, I've really

674
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: come to like because I like being, you know, outside

675
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: in a beautiful place away from people and cars and

676
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: noise and road running. You know, you've got the noise

677
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: and the roads and all that kind of stuff. It's

678
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: just not as nice of an experience. So when you

679
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: add in the trails and the hills and just a

680
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: natural landscape to look at, and the fact that you

681
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: have to focus on every step, you're just you're very

682
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: engaged surrounded by nature, and that's been a win win

683
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: for me. So I've definitely, I've definitely enjoyed that all

684
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: that stuff. Let's see what's next here. Someone asked, let

685
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: me find this question. I want to make sure to

686
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: cover this one. If I had any updates on the

687
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: target bucks in my region? Where is that? Well? Oh yeah, okay,

688
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: So s Church asked if I had any updates for

689
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: the target bucks on my main farms in Michigan, and

690
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: I sort of do. If you guys were following me.

691
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: Last fall, I had a doozy of a hunting season.

692
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: I had two main target bucks that I was after,

693
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: and one of them disappeared at the beginning of September.

694
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: He had been a buck I'd been fouling for three years.

695
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: We called, oh my gosh, what was that buck? Wow,

696
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm having like a total brain fart right now that

697
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: I've blacked out on my bucks. Anyways, target buck number

698
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: one was a five year old and he disappeared in

699
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: early September and very disappointed. He was my most mature buck.

700
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: I'd found his Bulldozer, thank you, finally can't it. His

701
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: name was Bulldozer, and my son and I found his

702
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: match Chet Antler's earlier in the year, so I was

703
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: really excited to get after him. Was seeing him in

704
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: the summer when I was out scouting, YadA, YadA, YadA.

705
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: He disappears first week of September. I don't see him

706
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: again until late October, and then I start getting a

707
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: few pictures of him, and I got a handful of

708
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: pictures of him in like the last couple of weeks,

709
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: last couple of days of October, and the first couple

710
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: days of November, and then he disappeared again and I've

711
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: not seen of him. I've not heard of him. I've

712
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: not found a shed or gotten a picture of him once.

713
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: So that was the number one buck pretty much Mia completely.

714
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: The second buck I was after. He was another great deer,

715
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: a year younger I believed in before last year, but

716
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: he grew had a huge year of growth last summer

717
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: blew up. My youngest son named him Bear Deer, and

718
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: I saw him all summer with pictures scouting, and he

719
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: was very daily active. It was looking great, and then

720
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: October third, I think it was, he disappeared. Didn't get pictures,

721
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: didn't get sightings, didn't get word of him, nothing all

722
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. And that, unfortunately, I do

723
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: have some closure on because I got word from another

724
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: neighbor that someone on the other side of our square

725
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: mile killed a deer that was pushing one sixty, had

726
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: to split off of a G two, you know, basically

727
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: everything that this deer was. He described it and killed

728
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: them the first week of October, which is exactly when

729
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: this year disappeared off my map. So yeah, my two

730
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: target bucks last year both disappeared. I have not had

731
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: a single other shooter buck on camera the rest of

732
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: the year. I didn't have a single mature buck on

733
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: camera or sighted from the first week of November last

734
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: year all the way until now. So just it was

735
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: a brutal year, brutal hunting. I don't know what happened.

736
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I've got a lot

737
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: of questions still, So coming into this year, it's one

738
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: of my more bizarre hunting seasons, at least on these

739
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: local spots, in that I don't have any dear that

740
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: I've got history with I don't know what's out there.

741
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: I don't know what's possible. I don't know what's going

742
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: to happen. So in some ways that's very disappointing. In

743
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: other ways, I guess there's a little bit of I

744
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: guess intrigue there because anything's possible. There's no expectations, so

745
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: there's also no stress or worry about trying to, you know,

746
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: finish story on a specific buck. It's just going to

747
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: be a new year and we'll see what happens. So

748
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: five will be different. Got some fishing questions in here.

749
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: Caleb asks if I fly fish in Michigan or the

750
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: Midwest at all, or if I keep my fly fishing

751
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: adventures just to Western states. And the answer is that

752
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: most of my fly fishing is in the Western States.

753
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: You know, we spend our summers at our cabinet Idaho,

754
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: and so we're right there on the Idaho Wyoming Montana

755
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: kind of border region where they all come together, and

756
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: so that means I'm doing a ton of fly fishing

757
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: out there all summer. But when I am home, I

758
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: try to get some in I live in a part

759
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: of Michigan that doesn't have trout fishing opportunities. I've got

760
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: to drive, you know, three four hours to get up

761
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: north to where we can do that. So I just

762
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: don't have the time to do that as much, but

763
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: I try to when I can. A time or two

764
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: a year we do that. I've been fly fishing for

765
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: bluegill and bass down here on the ponds and lakes

766
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: around here with the kids. One to do more and

767
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: more of that kind of fishing. We're doing some of that.

768
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: I've small mouth fished a few times out here on

769
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: the rivers. That's a lot of fun. And then, you know,

770
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: as some folks are price and as social every year,

771
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: trying to do some saltwater fishing down in the southeast

772
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: as well around Florida, and that's been a ton of fun.

773
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Don't think I talked about on the podcast yet, but

774
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: caught my first tarpain on a fly, my first really

775
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: big tarpa it on a fly too, a couple of

776
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: weeks ago, which was unbelievable. So yes, love love my

777
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: fly fishing wherever I can do it. It's really the

778
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: kind of yin to my hunting yang, and I do

779
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: feel like it's really oh, I don't know, helped build

780
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: a lot of things for me as a deer hunter

781
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: through fishing, which I guess this is a perfect segue

782
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: to another question. Andrew asked what skills or traits have

783
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: you gained from other activities unrelated to deer hunting that

784
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: you believe have made you a more successful hunter? And

785
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: I think fly fishing is one of those things. I

786
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: think fly fishing in general, but fly fishing in particular,

787
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: forces you to solve a puzzle every time you head

788
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: to the water. Every time you go out, you are

789
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: having to assess the situation, kind of read the water,

790
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: read the weather, read the terrain, think about the time

791
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: of the year, think about what's happening right now with

792
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: are there any bugs hatching or what are the atmosphere conditions,

793
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: what are the weather conditions, what are the water conditions?

794
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: What might all that mean for where fish would be

795
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: living right now? What does that mean for where fishing

796
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: might where fish might be feeding right now, what does

797
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: that mean for when the fish will be feeding? And

798
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: then you start testing things. So given all of that

799
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: stuff I just mentioned, I'm going to try this fly,

800
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: or I'm going to trade this depth, or I'm going

801
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: to try these spots, and then you're testing and then assessing, Okay,

802
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: how do they react to that? What was the feedback

803
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: I got? Now I'm going to change up again, and

804
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna test this new theory, and then I'm gonna

805
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: test this new theory. And so you're just solving this

806
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: puzzle every single time you go out there. And that

807
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: is I think exactly what you need to do as

808
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: a deer hunter. You are, you know, on any given

809
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: day or any given week, when you're gonna go hunting,

810
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: you have to assess the situation, assess what does this

811
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: wind direction or these weather conditions or this time of

812
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: the year or this you know, trail camera data or

813
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: observation data. What does this tell me about what the

814
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: deer are doing now and where they're going to do

815
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: it and when they're gonna do it and how they're

816
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: going to do it. And then you've got to go test.

817
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to try this spot because I think A, B,

818
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: and C, and then you're gonna hunt there and then

819
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: you're cee, what do I learn? And then adjust and

820
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: then test and then adjust and then test. So those

821
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: two things. The more you do anything like that, and

822
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: the better you get at making decisions around those things

823
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: about how to run those tests, about how to try

824
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: these new things and learn from wildlife and understand how

825
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: animals use habitat it all kind of works those same muscles.

826
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that another activity that's helped me with both

827
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: of those pursuits was chess. As a kid, my grandpa

828
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: will my grandpa, taught me to play chess, and then

829
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: my dad and grandpa would both play chess with me.

830
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: I remember from an early age I would be sitting

831
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: down there and thinking about the next move and if

832
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: I make this move, what will my grandpa do? How

833
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: will he react to that move? And if he does that,

834
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: then what would I do to take advantage of that?

835
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: And I think chess has helped me build the ability

836
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: to think forward, to anticipate reactions, to anticipate future outcomes,

837
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: and then learn how to adjust from those two. So again,

838
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with fly fishing and hunting. You're

839
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: trying to analyze a situation. You're trying to predict what

840
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: might happen, and then thinking about what decisions you can

841
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: make in reaction to those, or what decisions you can

842
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: make then maybe forces an outcome that you want. Chess

843
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: helps with that. Fly fishing helps with that. Another thing

844
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: that's helped me we already talked about running. The running thing,

845
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: as I discussed, you know, in detail earlier, has helped

846
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: me build discipline. It's helped me build my fitness and

847
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: just ability to kind of be mentally tough and physically

848
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: tougher in situations that I might otherwise. I think finally,

849
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: one other activity which we talked about at the top,

850
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: that's been very important to my deer hunting is parenting.

851
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: And I think parenting has really built for me the

852
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: ability to maintain perspective. Earlier, in my hardcore deer hunting years,

853
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: when I didn't have kids, you know, it seemed like

854
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: deer hunting was the most important thing in my world.

855
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: It was I was obsessed. It was so important whether

856
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: or not I killed a deer. It felt like life

857
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: or death in the moment. If I missed a buck,

858
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: it was like the end of the world. If I

859
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: wasn't seeing the deer I wanted to see, it was

860
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: the end of the world. If a hunt wasn't going well,

861
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: it was the end of the world. And once I

862
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: had kids, you very quickly learn that there's something you know,

863
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: you feel this it's not you learn it. You just

864
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your flip gets switched, and all

865
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's something much, much, much more important

866
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: in your life. It's these it's these children. It's just

867
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: this other life. And so now if something goes wrong

868
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: in my hunting, or if my season is not going

869
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: well or trip's not going well, it's a lot easier

870
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: for me to be like, Okay, it is what it is.

871
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: At least, you know, I've got my kids. At least

872
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: my kids are healthy, at least my family life is good,

873
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: and I have these incredible things in my life. And

874
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: you're just able to appreciate this other part of your

875
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: world that's so much more important than the grand scheme

876
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: of things. And so it puts deer hunting in its

877
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: appropriate place. It gives you a level of perspective. I

878
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: think it really helps you reorient your priorities, and at

879
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: least for me, has helped me remember that deer hunting

880
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: is just supposed to be a fun thing. It's a pastime.

881
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: It's a way to get out there and engage with

882
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: nature and have fun and hopefully feeds your family and

883
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: put meat in the freezer. But certainly should not be

884
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: something that you're getting all worked up about and stressed

885
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: out about or worried about as some ego thing. I

886
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: think deer hunting is getting way too much like that,

887
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: and I certainly was a part of that for a

888
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: lot of years, and I've actively been wanting to kind

889
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: of shift, you know, what my relationship with deer hunting

890
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: is and how I talk about deer hunting and how

891
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: we discuss it even here on Wired to Hunt, because

892
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: I think for too many people now it's becoming this

893
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: dragon slaying mission that you know, we have to do

894
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: no matter what the cost is, and we have to

895
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: show the rest of the world that we're the best

896
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: deer hunter in the world and that I killed my

897
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: big buck. And there's a lot of ego in that.

898
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird stuff in that that not

899
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: only do I think is not healthy for us as

900
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: a hunting culture, but I don't think it's healthy for

901
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: us as hunting individuals. And so that's that's where I

902
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: think parenting has really changed.

903
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: Things for me.

904
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: Scott asks, do you think that human scent and wind

905
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: matters slightly less in urban deer hunting situations? And I

906
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: would say, yeah, I think it does matter a little

907
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: bit less. You know, I've hunted in some relatively suburban

908
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: or urban situations, both in kind of where I grew

909
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: up in Michigan and then definitely in Washington, d C.

910
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: On a hunt I did there a few years ago. Deer,

911
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: no matter where they are, they adapt to what the

912
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: normal is. They adapt to their surroundings. They can very

913
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: quickly kind of establish a baseline of what should be happening,

914
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: what usually happens here, and then they can exist within

915
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: that framework. If the normal is people all over the place,

916
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: they can get used to living around people all over

917
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: the place. They can get used to someone being fifty

918
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: yards away taking their trash out, if that's the thing

919
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: they get used to. They can get used to smelling

920
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: people if there's always people, and so in these suburban

921
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: or urban places, you know, you can use that to

922
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: your advantage. If there's a location where deer are used

923
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: to being downwind of a house or people playing the

924
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: yard or whatever, you can hunt there and they will

925
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: probably think that you are just like the other people

926
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: that are there now. Of course, if you set up

927
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: in a place that they're not used to their being

928
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: human sent they probably like we'll be able to tell

929
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: that too, So you can probably get away with a

930
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: little more if you're smart about it. But don't expect

931
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: to be invincible, because just as deer in urban situations

932
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: can very quickly become used to what's normal, they also

933
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: have a very fine ability to determine what's not normal

934
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: and still react to that. So keep that in mind.

935
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: Joshua Billings asks, I want to hear more about how

936
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: you started your book reading habit. Has it ever been

937
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: hard to afford the books? Are there sites you use

938
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: to find new books? How do you pick what books

939
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: to read? Fun question. I love talking about books in

940
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: my reading habit on Instagram. I share my books I

941
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: read every month on newsletter I mentioned earlier at Mark

942
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: Kenyan dot net. I try to share some of my

943
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: reading recommendations on there as well. And for me it

944
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: started an early age. My fa family was just a

945
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: family of readers. Every Friday night we would go to

946
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: Outback Steakhouse and Barnes and Noble. That was our big

947
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: family outing every Friday. And so I just grew up

948
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: learning to love reading and love learning about new things.

949
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: And so that's how it started for me. I just

950
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: enjoyed diving into topics, whether it be fiction or something

951
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: new I could learn, and learning about it through the

952
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: written word. I continued that ever since, I think a

953
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: big part of my reading habit has been that I

954
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: have allowed myself to chase any curiosity. So if I'm

955
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: interested in something, I give my self permission to grab

956
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: that book and give it a try. And you know,

957
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: also give myself permission to not need to finish a book.

958
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: If you read something and you're like, yeah, this isn't

959
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: for me, I don't feel obligated anymore to finish a

960
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: book if it's a you know, if it's a slog,

961
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: that's not bringing me value or joy or entertainment or

962
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: new information. So you know, when it comes to you know,

963
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: staying excited about reading and doing it consistently, that helps

964
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: a lot. I also read every single night. That's the

965
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: way I go to sleep every night. I've got a

966
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: book by my bed. I read that with a headlamp.

967
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: I use a red headlamp at night, so that it's

968
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little weird maybe, but with the

969
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: red light, it you know, does not I'm blinking right now,

970
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: having a brain fart on the oh the chemical that

971
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: does this. But white light or blue light will keep

972
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: you awake longer. Red light does not do that, and

973
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 2: so I'm able to slowly get tired and fall asleep,

974
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: but I can read up until that point with my

975
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: red light headlamp. I also don't watch a lot of TV.

976
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: Usually if I have a little bit of free time,

977
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: it's reading. I just have found that I believe that

978
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: reading books is more valuable use of my time than

979
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: watching some show or scrolling Instagram or whatever. I would

980
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: just rather learn about something new, or even if it's

981
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: just a book for entertainment. I think that the reading

982
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: process is like a higher nutrition, like a higher nutrient

983
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: punch for your book, buck bang for your book if

984
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: you're going to read it, versus kind of passively consume

985
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: it on TV. So personally, that's why I do it,

986
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: that's how I've continued to do it. I've given myself

987
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: permission to buy a book anytime I'm interested, knowing full

988
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: well that that's going to cost some money and that's

989
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: an investment. But I do really believe that, you know,

990
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: a book is one of the very best investments you

991
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: can make, especially if it's a book that you're learning

992
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: something new, whether it's through fiction and you're just kind

993
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: of learning about human the human experience, or if it's

994
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: a book where you're learning about, you know, some nonfiction topic.

995
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: You know, learning and expanding your mind and growing is

996
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, that is a time investment that will pay

997
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: back dividends exponentially over time. There's nothing I think that's

998
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: more important for your growth as hunter or an angler's

999
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: a husband or wife, or mother or father, anything of that.

1000
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: There's nothing more important than growing and learning and continuing

1001
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: to never stop that personal growth. And books are about

1002
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: as good of a way to do that as you

1003
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: can possibly find. You have to deeply engage with the material.

1004
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: You engage with it for a long time, you get

1005
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: a comprehensive understanding, You get context. You know, we live

1006
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: in this world today with social media and TikTok and

1007
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: all this crap that is so short and sensationalist, and

1008
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: it has no context and has no background, and it's

1009
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: not comprehensive. And people are getting their understanding of the

1010
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: world from thirty second or three minute snippets. There's very

1011
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: little you can actually learn in thirty seconds or one

1012
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: minute or a minute and a half and today's very complicated, controversial,

1013
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: polarized world. We need more nuance, we need more context,

1014
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: we need more comprehensive understanding, and books are one of

1015
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: the very best ways to do that. So I would

1016
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: rather sacrifice by in I don't know, a new TV

1017
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: or going out to dinner. I'd rather not do that

1018
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: and instead invest my dollars in books than vice versa.

1019
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: How do I pick the books I read? You know,

1020
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: I just follow whatever I'm curious about. I like to

1021
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: go to bookstores and just prouse the shelves. I go

1022
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: on Amazon, and I will like find a book that

1023
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: I want to read, and then I will look at

1024
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: the suggested books for people that also bought, you know,

1025
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: for people that bought this book, they also bought this,

1026
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: this or this. I try to buy most of my

1027
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: books not through Amazon. I prefer to support like an

1028
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: actual bookstore, like an indie bookstore, which you can do

1029
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: through bookshop dot org or even Barnes and Noble. I'd

1030
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: rather buy from them, just because I like physical bookstores

1031
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: and I want to make sure they're still around. So

1032
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: I personally do that. But I do keep a book

1033
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: list on Amazon because that's just an easy place to

1034
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: keep your list, and so every time I see a

1035
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: book that I'm interested in, I just add it to

1036
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: that list. And then I can keep this long running list

1037
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 2: of things I'm intrigued by, and then you know, when

1038
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: the time's a writer and I'm at an actual bookstore,

1039
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: I can look at that list again and be like, oh, yeah,

1040
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: I remember there's this book about such and such. Let's

1041
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: see if this store has it. And that's how I

1042
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: go about those things. Alaska, Lund asked in twenty years

1043
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: will Alaska have white tails? With c WD? So this

1044
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: is a question related to my film that came out

1045
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago on the mediat Or YouTube

1046
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 2: channel in which I and we just did a full

1047
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: episode on this last week, So hopefully you heard that

1048
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: one with Colin and Bjorn. But this is a great question.

1049
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: It's one of the big concerns that folks have about

1050
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: this trend of white tails and mule deer showing up

1051
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: to a state that has not historically had them, and

1052
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 2: the questions will they bring their diseases with them? And

1053
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: I think, unfortunately, it's very likely that twenty years from

1054
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 2: now there will be white tails in Alaska, and there's

1055
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: a very real chance that CWD could be there, because

1056
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: right now, white tails are right on the doorstep of Alaska.

1057
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: They're probably already in the state. As Roy Churchwell was

1058
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: telling me in that film, you know, there's been sightings,

1059
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: people have said they've seen them there in this area,

1060
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: but they don't have one confirmed photographic evidence yet. But

1061
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: they do have confirmed evidence of white tails like just

1062
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: over the border right there, So it's probably happening. They've

1063
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: been moving farther and farther north over the last handful

1064
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: of years and decades. So this is a trend that's

1065
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 2: been happening. It's been confirmed, it's likely to continue as

1066
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: the climate becomes more mild up they're in, winters are

1067
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: less severe. White tails can survive in these conditions more

1068
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: and more. And there is also CWD right next door

1069
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: in British Columbia and Alberta, And it's not that far away.

1070
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Excuse me. The CWD is in Alberta and about on

1071
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: the same north south level though as southeast Alaska. So

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00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: as white tails continue moving across British Columbia up through

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00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: some of these river weys into south east Alaska, it

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00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: seems like it's only a matter of time before one

1075
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: of these deer with CWD and Alberta ends up making

1076
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: that trip or that not an actual individual deer doing that,

1077
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: but the disease slowly spreading from deer to deer to

1078
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: deer over the years until finally something does end up there.

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case. I'm not saying it

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: absolutely will happen, but twenty thirty years from now, would

1081
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: it shock me if it had. It would not shock me.

1082
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: Given how we've seen it spread across the lower forty eight,

1083
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: Given how far it's traveled just in the last twenty

1084
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: years down here, it certainly seems possible that could could

1085
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: continue up north. I hate to say it, but I

1086
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility. A

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: couple other questions about the film. G v and Miller

1088
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: asked about how the reception has been to the discussion

1089
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: in that episode about the changing climate, and yeah, you know,

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00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: I'd say the reception has been largely how you might think.

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: I would say there have been a handful of loud detractors,

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00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: people who when they hear Climb Change, they think politics

1093
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: and they think about you know, the crazy, far extreme

1094
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: kind of radical take on climate change and folks, you know,

1095
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: throwing paint on pictures and doing crazy stuff like that,

1096
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: and you know, all of the liberal kind of taking

1097
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: of that issue. So some people think that anyone who

1098
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: mentions climate change is some crazy person like that. So

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: there's going to be that kind of troll like common.

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00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: So we had some of those, But then there's also

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00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: a whole lot of people. I think it's the it's

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00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: the quiet majority in the middle, who are people who

1103
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: are hunters and anglers just like you and I who

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: go out there and we've been hunting and fishing all

1105
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: of our lives, and we travel to wild places, and

1106
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: we have seen with our own eyes how stuff has changed.

1107
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: How we hardly ever get to ice fish anymore in

1108
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: southern Michigan because we hardly ever have cold enough days.

1109
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: How wildfires are getting crazy and crazier out west. How

1110
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 2: more and more days you can't troutfish in Montana because

1111
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: the rivers are continuously more and more shut down because

1112
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: river temperatures are dangerously high for trout. We're seeing news

1113
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: in Alaska about how salmon populations that have historically been

1114
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: the best in the world are all of a sudden

1115
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: crashing and one of the only reasons they can pin

1116
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: it to is the fact that ocean temperatures are warmer

1117
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: than ever before in certain places, or the rivers that

1118
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: they're going up are now dangerously warm. There's just it's

1119
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: becoming increasingly hard to ignore this stuff, regardless of if

1120
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: you're a Republican, Democrat or whatever in between. And you know,

1121
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: I've at least found for myself that it's not a

1122
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: political thing anymore. It's just my eyes are open. I'm

1123
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: seeing this stuff, and I care about the natural world

1124
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: and wildlife and wild places. So I think more and

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00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: more people are getting to that point. Now there's I

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00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: think movement towards it's becoming not such a political issue,

1127
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: but more so, like the solutions to it will become political,

1128
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: so left and right can debate what we should do

1129
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: about it, how we should do things about it. And

1130
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: I think that's healthy. I think we should be having,

1131
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: you know, different perspectives on that. But it's getting really

1132
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: hard for a lot of folks in the middle to

1133
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: just pretend it doesn't exist. And so I think with

1134
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: this film, that's what we've seen a lot. There's a

1135
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: lot of people that were appreciative of the fact that

1136
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: we talked about it, appreciative of the fact that we

1137
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: talked about in a way that was not radical or

1138
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: extreme or demonizing anyone, but just said, hey, this is

1139
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: a thing that's happening. You can't be denied anymore. It's

1140
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: actually impacting wildlife in ways that we as hunters need

1141
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: to be aware of. And it keep tabs on and

1142
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: this stuff does impact fishing wildlife and hunting and fishing,

1143
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: and I think that's an important reality to acknowledge now,

1144
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are pretty open to that

1145
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: these days, and I was glad to see that, and

1146
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: it's the kind of thing that I think we're going

1147
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: to see, you know, discussed more and more as this

1148
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: goes from being kind of a backwater, far left issue

1149
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: to being something that's that's simply being addressed by everyone

1150
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: in the middle and hopefully figure out some ways to

1151
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: live with this new normal, or adapt to this new normal,

1152
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: or changed in some kind of way if we can

1153
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: towards a better future. And that's all yet to be

1154
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: seen exactly what that will look like. So that was

1155
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: kind of the take that we got, and that's my answer.

1156
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: Cameron asks, did you notice the change in elevation where

1157
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: you were hunting any you know, shortness of breath or

1158
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: physical issues, and then do you have any training tips

1159
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: for preparing for a black tail hunt like that? I

1160
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: would say I did not really experience any elevation issues.

1161
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: You know, we weren't really at a very high actual elevation.

1162
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: We went up something like three thousand feet, but that

1163
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: was you know, only up to gosh, I don't know,

1164
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: four thousand feet or thirty five hundred feet or something

1165
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: like that. Like the actual sea level elevation was not

1166
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: very high. These mountains just kind of jump r out of

1167
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: the ocean and go straight up. So you know, there

1168
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: was not your typical high elevation issues that you might have,

1169
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, mule deer hunting in Colorado at fourteen thousand feet.

1170
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: That said, when you're gaining three thousand feet or thirty

1171
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: five hundred feet or four thousand feet of elevation, that's

1172
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: still a lot of up, which means strain on your

1173
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: legs and your muscles and your body. And so in

1174
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: that case, you know, definitely the trail running that I've

1175
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: been doing, the mountain trail running I've been doing all

1176
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: last year, it really helped me with that. So training.

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: You know, gaining and losing elevation is the biggest thing.

1178
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: Whether you're black tail hunting in Alaska or elk hunting

1179
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: in Montana or whatever. Being able to handle that up

1180
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: and down is just so dramatically different on your body.

1181
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: You need to practice doing that a lot, and for

1182
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: long periods of time, and probably with weight on your

1183
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: back too. So that was one thing that I trained

1184
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: a lot handling the elevation. I didn't train as much

1185
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: with weight on my back, and that's something I want to,

1186
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, do more of for future hunts. But yeah,

1187
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: be moving cover a lot of ground, cover elevation, if

1188
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: you can use inclined treadmill, if you can't do stairs

1189
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: in the stadium, whatever you gotta do. That's such an

1190
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: important part of just being comfortable and capable out there

1191
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 2: on really any kind of mountain hunt. All right, let's

1192
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: see if we've got a last question or two here.

1193
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: Uh Nick Fruscie asks what kinds of contingencies are you

1194
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: considering for when they start selling public land? Public pressure

1195
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: seems not to be making an impact. So what Nick's

1196
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: referring to here are the threats to public land that

1197
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: we're seeing across the nation, as more and more folks

1198
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: are looking at, you know, removing protections on our public

1199
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: land or transferring them to states, or even now we

1200
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: have folks in the Senate debating whether or not we

1201
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: should sell off hundreds of thousands of public land acres

1202
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: to you know, deal with budgetary issues in the federal government.

1203
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: That's actually being publicly discussed right now, which is pretty wild.

1204
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: There's also proposals by the Interior Department to sell or

1205
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: transfer public lands to be used for housing around urban areas,

1206
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: which again is a super slippery slope that could lead

1207
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: to tens of thousands or maybe more acres of public

1208
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: land being taken out of the public estate and being developed.

1209
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: And all of this is very real. It's more concerning,

1210
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: probably than it's ever been. I've talked to folks who've

1211
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: worked in this line of business for decades and decades,

1212
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: much longer than I have. I've been doing this for

1213
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years, but some of these guys have been

1214
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: watching this for fifty years. And this is about as

1215
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: concerning as we've ever seen. And so contingencies. I don't

1216
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: think we can have contingencies. I think we simply have

1217
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: to make sure this doesn't happen. We have to not

1218
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: stop making noise. We have to not stop being squeaky wheels.

1219
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: We have to continue to talk to our lawmakers. We

1220
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: need to continue to show our support. We need to

1221
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: continue to show that hunters and anglers in the outdoor

1222
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: community demands that we protect our public lands, demands that

1223
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: we keep these plays is intact and healthy and public.

1224
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: Demands that our politicians represent our viewpoints on this, and

1225
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: if they don't, we'll vote them out office. We'll make

1226
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: their lives hell, We'll make it very uncomfortable. We need

1227
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: to make these kinds of ideas a political poison pill.

1228
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: And we can do that with phone calls. We can

1229
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: do this by showing up at the state capitol at rallies.

1230
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: We can do this by social media posts and calling

1231
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: out our elected leaders, by emailing them, messaging them, using

1232
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: every single possible lever, we have to get the point across.

1233
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: And then, like I said, if none of that works,

1234
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: we need to make change with our votes. And that's

1235
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: something that we'll have an opportunity to do in a

1236
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: year and a half or so. So I hope it

1237
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: doesn't get to that. I hope that our efforts over

1238
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: these coming weeks and months changes the direction that we're

1239
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: headed with some of these public land issues, but it's

1240
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: going to require more from us. Each and every one

1241
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: of us is going to have to step up to

1242
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: a different level than we probably ever have. It's not

1243
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: going to cut to just be a hunter anymore. It's

1244
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: not going to cut it to just be a fisherman anymore.

1245
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: You also have to be an advocate and an active

1246
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: conservationist if we want to keep these things around, if

1247
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: you want to have public places to deer hunt, or

1248
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: to go backpacking or hiking or camping with your kids

1249
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: or your friends. You can't just sit and watch this stuff.

1250
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: You can't just ignore the news. You can't just put

1251
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: your head in the sand. We have to be active

1252
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: participants now. If we don't, we will not have these opportunities.

1253
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: We won't have these things, we won't have these podcasts

1254
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: because there just won't be wild resources and wild places

1255
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: and public lands to do this stuff anymore unless we

1256
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: stand up and do something about it. Because there's a

1257
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: lot of people out there that care about other things.

1258
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there that are happy

1259
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: just living, playing golf and making lots of money or

1260
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: playing video games or whatever. They don't know anything about

1261
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: this stuff. They don't care about this stuff. They'd have

1262
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: believe sell them off or cut them down or whatever

1263
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: the thing is to make some money from it or

1264
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: let other people do that, because it's not going to

1265
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: impact their lives, but it does impact our lives, and

1266
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: so we have to be the ones to speak up

1267
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: for the stuff. So well, that said, that's what I'm

1268
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: going to go do right now. I am going to

1269
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: take a shower, get just dressed, and head off to Washington, DC,

1270
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: heading to do stuff that's not really all that much fun,

1271
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: but I hope it's worth it, and I hope we

1272
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: can make a difference, and I hope we can keep

1273
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: wildlife and wild places around for a very long time,

1274
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: because man, they've been the world for me, and I

1275
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: think that's been the case for a whole lot of

1276
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: you too, So I appreciate you being a part of

1277
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: that solution as well. Thanks for joining me for this podcast,

1278
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me and being an advocate and a

1279
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 2: conservationist and the support of our public lands and wildlife.

1280
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: And until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.