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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live, presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, good afternoon, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a Friday edition of One Bills Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 3: Steve Tasker with you. We made it.

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Speaker 4: We got to the end of the week here, although

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Speaker 4: it did come a lot quicker than last week's game.

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Speaker 4: Just six days separating Week three and week four for

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Speaker 4: your Buffalo Bills as they head to Baltimore tomorrow to

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Speaker 4: take on the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night Football. And

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Speaker 4: we got a full show for you today. As you know,

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Speaker 4: we always have senior producer from NFL Films, Great co Sell,

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Speaker 4: joining us an hour number two to break down the

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Speaker 4: x's and o's for us in this Bill's Ravens matchup.

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Speaker 4: But we'll also go behind enemy lines here at the

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Speaker 4: bottom of the hour. We'll check in with the editorial

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Speaker 4: director of Baltimore Ravens dot Com, Ryanmink, who just provided

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Speaker 4: actually a practice update.

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Speaker 3: On the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: As you know, they had three of their offensive linemen

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Speaker 4: not practicing on Wednesday. Two got back to practice yesterday,

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Speaker 4: one in limited fashion, one fully, but their starting left

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Speaker 4: guard Andrew Vorhees, who has missed time with an ankle injury.

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Speaker 4: Is still not practicing today. He was working on the

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Speaker 4: side with an athletic trainer, and the Ravens do have

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Speaker 4: multiple options at left guard if he can't go against

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Speaker 4: the Bills, and we'll get into that with Ryan when

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Speaker 4: we have him on well in about twenty five minutes

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Speaker 4: from now. As for the Bills practice updates, they are

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Speaker 4: presented by leecom your Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine

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Speaker 4: and Steve. We already knew Taron Johnson Terrell Bernard were

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Speaker 4: improving this week, Bernard even participating in practice on a

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Speaker 4: limited basis. Kyrie Elam was limited yesterday but a full

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Speaker 4: participant today, and according to head coach Sean McDermott, who

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Speaker 4: spoke earlier, he's going to be good to go for

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Speaker 4: the game Sunday night. He's been playing a lot on

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Speaker 4: special teams. So one extra guy back in the fold

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Speaker 4: for Sunday night's game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much healthy. It's a good sign that Bernard's

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Speaker 2: out there practicing and coming back. I think Taran will

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Speaker 2: back in the fold. That'll help the thing. You've got

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Speaker 2: to stop obviously in Baltimore's a run game. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much. Certainly Terren's been good in the run game,

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Speaker 2: but he's one hundred and ninety pounds and you don't

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Speaker 2: you know he might This might be, like I said,

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Speaker 2: game depending on what the game plan is. You know,

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Speaker 2: you gotta feel like you're gonna be fully healthy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the inactives on Sunday night will give us some insight

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Speaker 2: as to what their game plan is going to be.

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Speaker 2: But this last week against Jacksonville, they had all ten

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Speaker 2: don't know that it'll tell us that much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the approach, the approach this week is pretty clear.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got to stop the two headed monster.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at some Yeah, I was looking at

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Speaker 4: some numbers from last week's game against Dallas. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they already had number one, two hundred and seventy four

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Speaker 4: yards on the ground against Dallas, and they're averaging over

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Speaker 4: two hundred a game so far this season. Through their

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Speaker 4: thirty eight of the two hundred and seventy four rushing yards.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, pretty much, I think that suffices for carrying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've been watching the Dallas game. It

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Speaker 2: we just that just happened on Sunday. Dallas turned it

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Speaker 2: The Agalre just caught a little quick out mistackle. He's

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Speaker 2: that running game. Their running game does to me still

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Speaker 2: look at least surface level wise, it's still that same misdirection.

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Speaker 2: Get the defense to take one false step and have

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Speaker 4: The other interesting thing that I'm gonna be bouncing off

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Speaker 4: been a different theme every week. In terms of personnel grouping,

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Speaker 4: the dominant personnel grouping for them has been different in

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Speaker 4: each of their first three games. Obviously, some of that

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Speaker 4: terms of personnel groupings, you know, a predominant portion of

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Speaker 4: when you still probably really don't feel like you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're three games into this, not three preseason games,

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Speaker 2: three real games where they had to win and and

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Speaker 2: where Baltimore was really pulling out all the stops. But

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Speaker 2: now the Dallas game, you can tell they took their

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Speaker 2: them back in. But they also in week two got off,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't even have been close. So you're getting everything

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Speaker 2: they got, so that whatever they can, whatever they those

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Speaker 2: personnel groupings have, you're gonna get. You're gonna know who

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Speaker 2: those people are. I'm not I think at this point,

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Speaker 2: and certainly the Bills are the same. You kind of

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Speaker 2: might change, but in a run game offense, that doesn't

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Speaker 2: you know, that's not enough of a change. You have

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Speaker 2: to Yeah, you're gonna tackle whoever's got the ball, and

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Speaker 2: defensive scheme won't make a difference.

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Speaker 4: Do you make much of the fact that they've been

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Speaker 4: outscored thirty nine to seventeen in the fourth quarter. I

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Speaker 4: know some teams were trying to come back on them

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Speaker 3: That kind of stuff. I don't know what to make

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Speaker 4: To a couple of Baltimore reporters earlier today, and it's

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Speaker 2: I think it is. I think it's a thing I do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a thing. I think this. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: they're gonna You're asking Baltimore's run game to score as

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Speaker 2: many points as Josh Allen in this passing game over here. Now,

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Speaker 2: certainly the Bills have run it more than they have

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Speaker 2: an excellent run defense, though, or they at least statistically

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Speaker 2: they do. Dallas. Dallas made some nice runs on them

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Speaker 2: early in that game, but that game got out of

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Speaker 2: I just I just think that Buffalo can do too

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Speaker 2: much offensively, And yeah, I think it is the thing

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Speaker 2: they got to. You gotta learn how to close out games.

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Speaker 2: It's been forty three games. Let's remember, let's revisit this.

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Speaker 2: It's forty three games since the Bills have been beaten

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Speaker 2: by more than six points. This is gonna be a

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Speaker 2: tight game. If they can't close it out, that's that

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Speaker 2: goes in Buffalo's favor. Buffalo is the top scoring team

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Speaker 2: in the league over three weeks. Their defense is number

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Speaker 2: certainly you've got a running game that's hard to get

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Speaker 2: just I just think this is this is a better

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bills, just so it's clear, they're number one

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Speaker 4: in point differential, but in terms of scoring defense they

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Speaker 4: in points allowed at sixteen points a game. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think we're expecting a tight game. And the ironic thing

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Speaker 4: here is the most accurate kicker in league history has

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Speaker 4: missed a field goal attempt in each of the first

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Speaker 4: three games. Justin Tucker has missed three field goal attempts,

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Speaker 4: one in each game so far this season, all of

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Speaker 4: them wide left. John Harbaugh talking it down this week

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Speaker 4: and basically saying he going through a technique thing right now.

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Speaker 4: And even Tucker addressed the media and pretty much said

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Speaker 4: the same thing. I'm working on a technique issue right now,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, still in all, you're getting a tight game, right,

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Speaker 4: you're on grass fields a little wet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's see, I think about this. Baltimore is

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Speaker 2: allowed seventy eight points this year, Buffalo is allowed forty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's a significant difference. And this is not this is not.

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Speaker 4: Also played Kansas City, and you know we're playing Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: Right, We're also playing Arizona and Miami, who is the

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Speaker 2: number one OFFENSI in the league. And you know who

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Speaker 2: didn't finish the game. But that ain't you know, you

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Speaker 2: play the team. So yeah, Buffalo lumped both those teams up. Certainly.

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Speaker 2: but Buffalo was in control of that game, even though

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Speaker 2: were in complete control of that game midway through the

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Speaker 2: in Miami, same thing. I know, I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 2: not this. I listen, I've seen this raven defense back

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Speaker 2: in when Ray was there and all you know, you

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Speaker 2: against those jokers. I mean, that was a defense.

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Speaker 3: This one, hold this one, agond because here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Last year they were number one in sacks, number one

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Speaker 4: in takeaways, and I think they were number one.

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Speaker 3: In total defense.

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Speaker 4: That's how Mike McDonald got the head coaching job in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Well he's not there.

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Speaker 3: I know he's not.

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Speaker 4: And it's and it's different with Zach orr as their

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Speaker 4: But but I mean, I don't know, I'd have to

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Speaker 4: go back and look to see about all the subtractions. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Patrick Queen was a major loss at the linebacker level,

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Speaker 4: but there.

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Speaker 2: Are still the same defense. They're not playing that maybe not.

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm we'll see. I mean, and let's say,

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Speaker 2: let's face everybody, you know, yes, this is a step

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Speaker 2: up for for the Bills in weight class. Baltimore is

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Speaker 4: Not terribly busy, But the Cowboys beat the Giants on

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Speaker 4: Five field goals for their fifteen points. And I don't

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Speaker 4: want to kick a guy when he's down, Steve, but

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Speaker 4: I've been down on Daniel Jones for almost three years now.

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Speaker 4: This guy is going to turn into an albatross for

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Speaker 2: Where they came from. I mean, Joe Shane saw Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen up and close. Personally, he knows what elite quarterback

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Speaker 2: looks like. And Daniel Jones is not it.

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Speaker 3: He is not it. I mean he's trying to throw

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Speaker 2: He's under thrown everything.

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Speaker 3: It looked like he was throwing hand grenades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just not does not have a strong enough arm.

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Speaker 2: we've seen enough good quarterback play I'm kind of with

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Speaker 4: They don't have among others, and they don't have a

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if you drafted one.

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Speaker 4: And look again, we don't know what the directives are

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Speaker 4: they say, hey, we're going with Daniel Jones and that's it.

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Speaker 4: You got to find a way to make it work

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Speaker 4: still at all. If I'm I'm Joe Shane, I'm angling

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Speaker 2: Turn to, get somebody with some measurables at least, and

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Speaker 2: got an arm. And that's what you and that's what

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones said. I mean, I don't want to this

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Speaker 2: didn't it didn't have to turn into one Giant's live either,

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Speaker 2: but that guy's got to get more accurate in his throwing.

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Speaker 2: He's got to he's got to get the ball out

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Speaker 2: to his receivers. He is inaccurate as a passer, at

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Speaker 2: least he was in last night's game. He's a good

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Speaker 2: maybe you can win with him, but you won't win

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Speaker 3: All right, So where do you? Where do you go here?

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Speaker 4: When do you pull the ripcord and go Drew Lock

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Speaker 2: Well you don't. You hang in there with him, and

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Speaker 2: And you probably will also knowing you're not gonna lose

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've got the worst quarterback in the division.

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Speaker 4: Now Jayden Daniels is lightening it up in Washington. Jalen

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Speaker 3: But they got the worst quarterback in the division. And

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, now you're right, but I would say this,

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Speaker 2: and that's absolutely that absolutely sunk them because then they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Saquon Barkley was the best protection

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Speaker 3: No, they're loading up to stop the pass right right.

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Speaker 2: Well here's the thing though, I mean you have if

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing too.

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Speaker 3: You don't even play. He's supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: A tackle you can't miss. You're gonna miss on that bad.

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Speaker 4: And Micah Parsons for the Cowboys, Uh, it's gonna get

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Speaker 4: tell you this, Steve, the Cowboys can barely stop people

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Speaker 3: If he misses a few games, Oh boy.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to score forty a week if they

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Speaker 2: You're right that that's gonna be their problem, and that

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Speaker 2: it'll be they don't have enough to do that. I

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Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott's not gonna do it. You know, they just.

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Speaker 3: Don't have Athan Rico Doubtele.

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Speaker 2: You don't have enough guys, Lit lip Key the full back, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The tight end is decent. Jake Ferguson, Dude.

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Speaker 2: He's not good. And that's not enough. You know, you

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Speaker 2: So I'm yeah, if if Michael Parsons and that defense

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Speaker 2: Washington is not going to keep this up. I mean

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Speaker 2: they're gonna probably not, you know, so yeah, I'm yeah,

436
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Speaker 2: I'm with you if if Dallas' defense goes away, goes

437
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Speaker 2: south even further than it is right now, Yeah, they're

438
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Speaker 2: they're toast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh. Brown's News head coach Kevin Stefanski ruled out tight

441
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Speaker 4: end David and Joku for Sunday's game against the Raiders.

442
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 4: He also ruled out both of their starting tackles, Jedrick

443
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Speaker 4: Wills and Jack Concklin. How'd you like to beat Deshaun

444
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Speaker 4: Watson this week? Going against the Raiders without your two

445
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Speaker 4: starting tackles and David and Joku, your starting tight ended. Well,

446
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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to get back from injury.

447
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Speaker 4: He's trying like the Dickens to get back.

448
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Speaker 2: And when the.

449
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Speaker 4: Starting tackles, you know, I can rack up a few here,

450
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 4: but they're already talking about is it bench time for

451
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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson?

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Speaker 3: Because let's not forget they got Jamis Winston there.

453
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Speaker 2: You know, Hey, Jamis has got always had a live arm.

454
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Speaker 2: He's got some ability, He's got measurables. You know, you

455
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Speaker 2: can say all you want. He's you know that one

456
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: year he had thirty one touchdowns and thirty receptions. Hey,

457
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Speaker 2: he's not afraid. You got it. You can tip, you

458
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Speaker 2: can say a lot, you can make fun of him.

459
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Speaker 2: We can all have fun in But that guy's guy's

460
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Speaker 2: got some courageous in him.

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Speaker 3: You know. Let's say he's not entertaining.

462
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Speaker 2: He is, and I'll tell you what. The guy's got

463
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Speaker 2: the stones to throw it whenever he's ready. So it's

464
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Speaker 2: it's you know, he gives them Brownie, he gives them something.

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Speaker 2: The Giants would play him.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I watched part of the Browns

467
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Speaker 4: game last week. They just look like a lifeless bunch.

468
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Speaker 4: And I think it's because they know they're stuck with Watson.

469
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Speaker 4: They're stuck with this guy, the player or something talking.

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Speaker 2: About yeah, oh yeah. Think about the atmosphere where you're

471
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Speaker 2: a guy with a wife and kids or a wife

472
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Speaker 2: no kids, whatever, and everything gets said and thought about

473
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Speaker 2: and discussed about Deshaun, and then more allegations come out

474
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this season and you got to

475
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Speaker 2: go home and you know, live your personal life with

476
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Speaker 2: your you know, with your wife, ask you about what's

477
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Speaker 2: what are you doing? You know, why do we have

478
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Speaker 2: to Why is that guy still here?

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's where you say, as a player, not

480
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Speaker 3: my choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not your choice. But you gotta like

482
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Speaker 2: you gotta live like you tell me that doesn't take

483
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Speaker 2: the starch out of you. Oh my gosh, forget it.

484
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Speaker 2: That's it. That is an ugly, uncomfortable, awkward, zero fun

485
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Speaker 2: atmosphere and they're playing.

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Speaker 3: Like it and it may get uglier. On Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Last bit of quarterback news around the league. Dolphins head

488
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Speaker 4: coach Mike McDaniel, who is in quarterback hell right now, uh,

489
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Speaker 4: said it is a little premature for him to name

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Speaker 4: the Dolphins starting quarterback for Monday Night Football. They are

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Speaker 4: on Monday Night Football this week. It's unclear whether it's

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Speaker 4: going to be Tim Boyle or Tyler Huntley. I don't

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Speaker 4: I didn't check the Dolphins injury report, but I don't

494
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Speaker 4: believe Skyler Thompson's an option with the chest injury, So it's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be one of those two guys. So yeah, there

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to keep you keep the other

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Speaker 2: team guessing as long.

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Speaker 3: As that's the only bit of advantage he's.

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Speaker 4: There's no strategy that's going to work with the third

501
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Speaker 4: quarterback on your roster, no matter who it is, so

502
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Speaker 4: might as well keep one card close to the vest

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Speaker 4: in terms of who's playing.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's a rough go man. There's a small part of

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Speaker 4: me that actually feels bad for Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they are playing Tennessee. I mean, let's not

508
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Speaker 2: forget though they may be favored over Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Tennessee went down there last year and helped out the Bills,

510
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: did the Bills a solid and beat him down there

511
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Speaker 4: to help Buffalo catch him at the end of the season.

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Speaker 4: Will Levis with a big come from behind victory last

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Speaker 4: year as a rookie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and listen, I Tennessee. Will Levis is an

515
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Speaker 2: exaggeration of what Josh Allen used to be. He's even

516
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Speaker 2: worse at turning over than.

517
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Speaker 4: Jesse is like some crazy, big strong kid some stuff,

518
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Speaker 4: but he's like he makes Josh Allen look like a

519
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Speaker 4: game manager when he was sugar high.

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Speaker 2: Josh, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 4: one on what's going on in Baltimore, both player wise,

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Speaker 4: roster wise, scheme wise, and maybe even weatherwise. We'll catch

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Speaker 3: Friday edition. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 4: Please be joined now by the editor and director for

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Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens dot Com Ryan Mink, joining us to kind

535
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Speaker 4: of give us a little bit of the four to

536
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Speaker 4: one one on this Ravens team that's off to a

537
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Speaker 4: one and two start, finally got off the schneid last week,

538
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Speaker 4: holding on to beat the Cowboys, and Ryan, I think

539
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Speaker 4: the most important question right now is, uh, is it

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Speaker 4: gonna stop raining in Baltimore area by the time we

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Speaker 4: get to Sunday night.

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Speaker 5: Not looking like it?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's gonna be a solg you one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I much like this Josh's rookie year when he

546
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Speaker 2: stepped on him. Lamar were rookies together opening Day of

547
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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: And Nathan Peterman started that game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in relief we saw the first flashes of Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, big win for Baltimore in that case.

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Speaker 2: But this is a different Baltimore team. It's does it

552
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Speaker 2: do you feel like it even after three games, that

553
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Speaker 2: you really know what this team's going to be like?

554
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Speaker 5: Not really, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think it's been a surprise, certainly their secondary and

556
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Speaker 6: how much how many yards they've given up through the air.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think around here all summer we were talking about

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Speaker 6: this being one of the most talented secondaries that the

560
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Speaker 6: Ravens have ever had, you know, and we've had a

561
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Speaker 6: lot of good defenses around here. There's a lot of

562
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Speaker 6: very good players, and it's it's been an odd thing.

563
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Speaker 6: Part of it is because the Ravens have played the

564
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Speaker 6: run so well that opponents have just aired it out.

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Speaker 6: The Ravens have generally had leads in all three games

566
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Speaker 6: so far. That's also contributed. Game script has contributed to

567
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Speaker 6: them throwing the ball lot, but you know, the secondary's

568
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Speaker 6: miscues have been a surprise. And then I think the

569
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Speaker 6: Ravens are still kind of finding out what they want

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Speaker 6: to be offensively. You know, certainly they want to be

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Speaker 6: versatile and dynamic and be able to beat you in

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Speaker 6: multiple ways, but they haven't really hit much many big

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Speaker 6: plays through the air. They really kind of grinded down

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys and established themselves in that way, but before

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Speaker 6: that the run blocking was not very good. So still

576
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Speaker 6: kind of figuring out who they are on both sides

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Speaker 6: of all, i'd say.

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Speaker 4: And then with respect to because the penalties kind of

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Speaker 4: jump out here. Thirty one to three games, that's a lot,

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Speaker 4: and it's gotten more and more and more each week.

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Speaker 4: Have they been in any one position, group, or level

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Speaker 4: of the offense or defense more than anything else. Is

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Speaker 4: there something that's sticking out like a sore thumb there

584
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Speaker 4: or has it been spread out throughout the team.

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Speaker 6: There are a fair number of offensive line penalties in particular.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, the NFL certainly when to make

587
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Speaker 6: an example out of the Ravens in Week one with

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Speaker 6: the whole illegal formationies with Ronnie Stanley called three on

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Speaker 6: him alone, and you know, that that has gone away

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Speaker 6: since I think it was pretty clear what was going

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Speaker 6: on there.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's.

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Speaker 6: Been a Schmargsborg of late hits, you know, you know,

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Speaker 6: hits on the quarterback, I think, face mask penalties. There

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Speaker 6: hasn't been one last week, you know, a couple of

596
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Speaker 6: PI calls.

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Speaker 5: I think mostly it's been on the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: The Ravens replaced three starters on their offensive line this offseason,

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Speaker 6: have two pretty young guys stepping in there, and with

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Speaker 6: that sometimes you're going to get penalties that go along

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Speaker 6: with that.

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Speaker 2: One of the things you mentioned the offensive line, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting a couple of penalties. They've also got three guys

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Speaker 2: nicked up. Two of them came back to practice yesterday.

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Speaker 2: What's the status of those three and if they do

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Speaker 2: have to mix and match and shuffle the O line,

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Speaker 2: what's that look like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly looks like taller Linderbaum is going to

609
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Speaker 6: start in this game. And Patrick McCarey also returned to practice.

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Speaker 6: So two of the three are looking good. In Linderbaum

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Speaker 6: obviously being a Pro Bowl center and really the heart

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Speaker 6: of that line that's the most important one. The question

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Speaker 6: mark is with left guard Andrew Vorhees, who's a first

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Speaker 6: year starter this year.

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Speaker 7: And.

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Speaker 6: If he's not able to play, John Harball just got

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Speaker 6: done telling reporters that it's going to go right up

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Speaker 6: to the game time. It's going to be a game

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Speaker 6: time decision on his ankle. If he's not able to play,

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Speaker 6: the Ravens could turn to a backup such as BEng Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: They could go to Josh Jones, who's kind of a

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Speaker 6: tackle guard, or they could really shuffle up the line

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Speaker 6: a little bit more and use Patrick McCarey, who's been

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Speaker 6: the starting right tackle. They could slide him over to

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Speaker 6: guard and then put the rookie Roger Rosegarten in there

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Speaker 6: as the starting right guard.

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Speaker 4: So, I know you said that they're still trying to

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Speaker 4: find themselves offensively and defensively. What have been the early

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Speaker 4: returns on new defensive coordinator Zach Orr. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: only thirty one years old. He hasn't done it before.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the second youngest coordinator in the league.

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Speaker 4: What have been the early reviews of his play calling?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think one of the things, this thing, it

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Speaker 6: stands out so far, is not quite as aggressive as

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Speaker 6: I think we all anticipated.

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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald did not blitz at.

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Speaker 6: A high rate here last year, and I think that

638
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 6: a lot of us expected Zach Orr to blitz more,

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Speaker 6: bring more pressure just by nature of that's kind of

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Speaker 6: who he was as a player, and he talked all

641
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Speaker 6: all season about We're going to be an attacking defense

642
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Speaker 6: and all that. The Ravens are in the bottom third

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Speaker 6: in terms of blitz rate from their defense, so you know,

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Speaker 6: they have been getting a fair amount of pressure from

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Speaker 6: their defensive front without blitzing. So I think that's part

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Speaker 6: of it. You know, justin Mattabek, obviously the Ravens re

647
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 6: signed him. That was a big addition to bring back.

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00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: Travis Jones is a very good defensive tackle. He can

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Speaker 6: get after the quarterback. In Adafaioway has gotten off to

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Speaker 6: a hot start the season, so he hasn't necessarily had

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Speaker 6: to blitz.

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Speaker 5: I think the trouble.

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Speaker 6: Has been the Ravens have had too many breakdowns in

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Speaker 6: their secondary. I mean, you just wide open touchdowns. Savior

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Speaker 6: Worthy in Week one got him for a key fourth

656
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 6: down touchdown where he just you know, is misplayed coverage,

657
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 6: bust and coverage right, and they've had too many of

658
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 6: those busting coverages. Early on that have really hurt them,

659
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 6: and then they're giving up too much over the middle

660
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: of the field. That's kind of been the Ravens' achilles

661
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 6: heels so far defensively, is too many passes over the

662
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 6: heads of the linebackers and in front of the safeties.

663
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Speaker 6: And that's the easiest way to attack a defense is

664
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Speaker 6: the middle of the field. The Ravens have some very

665
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 6: good cornerbacks, Brandon Stevens, Marlon Humphrey, first round pick Nate Wiggins.

666
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 6: If they can force the Bills to have to throw outside,

667
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 6: I think that's going to be more advan.

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Speaker 5: Changeous for Baltimore.

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Speaker 6: But teams have had a lot of success attacking them

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Speaker 6: over the middle.

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Speaker 2: What are the Ravens said about the Bills offense thus far?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting because Josh Allen is a different challenge

673
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 6: than you usually think with with Josh Allen, right, I

674
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 6: mean you usually think, all right, well, he's going to

675
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 6: hit some big plays, he's going to take his shots,

676
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 6: you know, you kind of that's the trade off, and

677
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 6: you hope you get him to turn the ball over, right,

678
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 6: But he's been very much more efficient this year so far.

679
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 6: He hasn't really you know, you look at his air

680
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 6: yards per attempt, it's really not with the leaders in

681
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 6: the league. Lamar Jackson's had higher air yards per attempt,

682
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Speaker 6: And certainly we all know how big an arm Josh

683
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Speaker 6: Allen has, but you know, it's a different kind of

684
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: attack with him. He's been much more surgical, you know,

685
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 6: and spreading the ball around. So the Ravens certainly know

686
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: the threat that he posed with his arms and of

687
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: course his legs, you know. I mean, it's stresses a

688
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 6: defense in a way similar way to Lamar Jackson, even

689
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 6: though it looks a lot different. They're different kind of runners,

690
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: but the challenges for a defense are the same. I

691
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 6: think they have a lot they have a ton of

692
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 6: respect for Josh in this offense, and I think that

693
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 6: they are looking at it like, all right, this is

694
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 6: a little bit different than in years past when you

695
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: knew they were going to go to Diggs, he was

696
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: going to try to find Digs.

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Speaker 5: It's not that kind of offense this year.

698
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: And then with Baltimore's offense, I'm curious and I'm not

699
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: looking for an exact figure here, but when you have

700
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Speaker 4: a back like Derreck Henry who has to be respected

701
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: by linebackers at the second level. I'm wondering, if you know,

702
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: through the course of this season, if Todd Monkhin decides

703
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: to put Lamar under center a little bit more to

704
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: set up play action, because if you're a linebacker going

705
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: against Derrick Henry, you better hit that gap fast if

706
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: you think it's run, because you've got to bring some

707
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: momentum with you to tackle him. To me, I think

708
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 4: that plays right into the hands of a play action

709
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: passing game. Have they used it much through these first

710
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Speaker 4: three games or do you anticipate that increasing in coming weeks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was one criticism coming out of our Week

712
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 6: two game against the Raiders, was not a lot of

713
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 6: play action passing, and I think that it is something

714
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 6: that they'll certainly use more of as the season goes along.

715
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Speaker 6: I mean, the Ravens are a heavy RPO offense, right,

716
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Speaker 6: so they've been using Derrick Henry traditionally. In Tennessee, he was,

717
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 6: you know, his under center, Derek Henry's lined up, you know,

718
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 6: five yards of the backfield, try to get him with

719
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Speaker 6: a head of steam going and kind of attack team's edges.

720
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Speaker 5: It's a little bit different here in Baltimore.

721
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: They're more likely to use the RPO to try to

722
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 6: freeze those outside lines, try to slow up the pass

723
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 6: rush a little bit, and then you don't know if

724
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 6: he's given it to Henry or Lamar's popping out, you know,

725
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 6: to attack your edge. So that's how they really had

726
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 6: a lot of success against the Cowboys. They put Micah

727
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 6: Parsons in a bind and with a lot of different

728
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 6: leaving him unblocked, you know, a lot of different ways

729
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 6: of blocking him. But certainly I think using more play

730
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 6: action as the season goes along, will become a bigger

731
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 6: and bigger part of their offense. It's also helpful for

732
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 6: hitting those tight ends, you know, and the Ravens really

733
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Speaker 6: kind of build a lot of their offense around Mark

734
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Speaker 6: Andrews and Isaiah Likely.

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with those two tight ends. You gots eight

736
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Speaker 2: flowers for Sean Bateman, Nelson Agilore Agalore made the big

737
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: play in Dallas, and you're early in the game last

738
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: week miss miss with a mistackle. You know who is?

739
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Speaker 2: You know, certainly Mark Andrews is always a force there

740
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: and likely has been that guy. What about the wide

741
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: receiver room and which guy do you think has become

742
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: the lead dog? Because I know Agalore's got a lot

743
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: of ability, but he has He's bounced around and had

744
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: for some reason, he has never really seen the roof

745
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Speaker 2: of his potential.

746
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Speaker 6: Yeah, to save Flowers. Is definitely the wide receiver one,

747
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 6: no question about that. In terms of you know, target

748
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 6: chair and things like that. They try to get the

749
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 6: ball into his hands in space a lot, you know,

750
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 6: a lot of wide receiver screens bubbles. Just get the

751
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 6: ball in his hands because that guy can really he

752
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 6: can change directions so well. You know, he can beat

753
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 6: you in a closet. And so he is definitely wide

754
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 6: receiver one. And then Rashad Bateman is kind of They've

755
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 6: often looked to him as a big play threat, you.

756
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: Know, stretch defense. He is a great route runner.

757
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: You know, if you don't respect Rashaw Bateman, he can

758
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: certainly put a cornerback, you know, twist him into a pretzol.

759
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 6: So he's probably if you're saying pure route runner, Bateman's

760
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 6: probably the guy. And then Nelson Aguilar has been more

761
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 6: of a you know, even I think his target share

762
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: from last year has gone down.

763
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Speaker 5: You know, he's a veteran receiver. He can make some

764
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: big plays.

765
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 6: He's a pretty good blocker, but he would probably be

766
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 6: fifth in the pecking order on this receiving right.

767
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Speaker 4: And then while they were able to get matt at

768
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: Buik back in the fold, they were not able to

769
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Speaker 4: resign Patrick Queen this past offseason. What have been the

770
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Speaker 4: early returns on his replacement, Trenton Simpson.

771
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Trenton's looked really good, you know. I mean in

772
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 6: his second game, he played one hundred percent of the snaps.

773
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Speaker 6: He didn't do that last week against Dallas, but he's

774
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 6: been very good against the run. You know, as a

775
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 6: lot of young inside linebackers, it takes time to kind

776
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 6: of develop with the passing game in the coverage, you know,

777
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 6: learning all the route concepts, knowing what's going on behind

778
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 6: you without having to turn around, right, That's a feel

779
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 6: thing that I think comes with more experience, and that

780
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Speaker 6: has been his challenge.

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Speaker 5: But he's very athletic.

782
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Speaker 6: You know, Oftentimes when you see him give up plays,

783
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 6: he's he's close in coverage. It's not like he's just

784
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 6: getting beat beat out there. But that's kind of where

785
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 6: he has, you know, room to grow next as a pro.

786
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 6: So I honestly, people in Baltimore have not been saying

787
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, we missed Patrick Queen so much.

788
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 5: I think Patrick's a great player.

789
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 6: But Trenton Simpson, in his own regard, he looks a

790
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 6: lot like Patrick Queen in the way he plays the game. Fast, athletic,

791
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 6: he flies around the field, he's physical.

792
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: It hasn't been a big drop off.

793
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Speaker 2: Ryan, thanks so much for spending some time with us.

794
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Speaker 2: Enjoy the game on Monday or Sunday night.

795
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks thanks for having me. Guys, you too, sure thing.

796
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: That's Ryan Mank, editorial director for Baltimore Ravens dot Com.

797
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Speaker 4: We're gonna take a break here, but coming up next

798
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Speaker 4: it's the Collision Course and the Bill's O line against

799
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Speaker 4: the beat Up Ravens O line or Bill's D line

800
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Speaker 4: against the beat Up Ravens O Line. We'll check that

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Speaker 4: out when we return here on One Bill's Live presented

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Speaker 4: by Kalida Health, it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 3: Back here on one Bill's Live Friday edition.

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Speaker 4: Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with you, and it's time now

805
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Speaker 4: for this week's Collision Course, brought to you by Gabe's Collision.

806
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Speaker 4: Gabe's Collision, the official auto collision repair center of the

807
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Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills get back in the game, and we're taking

808
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Speaker 4: a look Steve at Buffalo's defensive line against the Ravens

809
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: offensive line, which has a couple of players nick But

810
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: as Ryan Mink told us, looks like two of those

811
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: three starters are going to be back in the lineup.

812
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: Andrew Vorhees is the only guy that's probably going to

813
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: be a game time decision come Sunday night.

814
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Speaker 3: But what has to happen up front there this week.

815
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Speaker 2: Well, Bill's just have to keep on keeping on. They've

816
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: been really good thus far this year. They've gotten consistent

817
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: quick pressure and it's come from different sides. Rousseau getting

818
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: the sacks he did early on in the season, then

819
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: Vaughn being steady getting a sack a game, and some

820
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: good pressures when he doesn't get the sack at Oliver's

821
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: throwing in some penetration in a game aj Apanessa forcing

822
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: a turnover. So they've really gotten good production out of

823
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: their top five guys, and it's been I think that's

824
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: been key to the success of this defense. Certainly, you know,

825
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: the injuries in the back end, you would think at

826
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: some point will catch up to the Bills, But because

827
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: of the play of those guys up front. It has

828
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: not so any any flaw in the armor of the

829
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: Ravens offensive line is going to be exploited. I think

830
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: so they're they're really wanting those their best players on

831
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Speaker 2: the field.

832
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 4: What do you make of what our guest Ryan Mink

833
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: told us in the last segment last week, Baltimore runs

834
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: right at Micah Parsons with the run game. You should

835
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: anticipate that at the perceived week link of Buffalo's defense

836
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: wherever they think that might lie.

837
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, or they you know, they or they wanted to

838
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: run at Micah Parsons to take the starch out of

839
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: him for the passing rush or something, you know, but yeah,

840
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: that you can bet that they're going to have someplace

841
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: they're going to attack, and you just have to wait

842
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: and see what they perceive. You might the Bills coaching

843
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: staff might have an idea of what they do. If

844
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: you put von Miller out there on first and second down,

845
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: they may write, run right at Vaughan. I mean, he's

846
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: mid thirties coming off that you know, he's injured. He

847
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: might not have the stomach for it. Or they may

848
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: do that in hopes that the Bills counter with aj

849
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: Panessa take vun off and put that Panessa out there.

850
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think what you're gonna see, what you're

851
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: gonna hopefully see from this Bill's front is their ability

852
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: to man up and play really disciplined football. You want

853
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: to hesitate before you pursue the running game, and if

854
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: they're going to run an RPO at you. I think

855
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: the play is as crazy as it sounds, is force

856
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: Lamar to hand it off every time. You'd rather have

857
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: an off tackle run with Derrick Henry than turning Lamar

858
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: loose around the edge. Dallas did that a couple of

859
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: times during their game last week, and you know it

860
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: went from a three yard game by Derrick Henry into

861
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: a nine yard or ten yard game from Lamar. So

862
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the play. Just take the ball

863
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: out of Lamar's hands, and if you can get them

864
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: stopped and get them into third and long, third meeting,

865
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, then you change it up and you play

866
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: the pass.

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00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering how much help Baltimore feels their offensive

869
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Speaker 4: line needs, knowing it's got three new starters on it

870
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: that are still trying to gel and you know, have

871
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: consistent execution from start to finish in a football game.

872
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: It didn't seem to be a problem last week as

873
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: far as running the ball was concerned, but being productive

874
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: in the passing game, I mean, hard to get a

875
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: gauge on that because I think Lamar only had eighteen

876
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 4: pass attempts last week.

877
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: Right, I don't even know if he had that many.

878
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: I'll go back and check, but.

879
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like twelve of eighteen or I was twelve.

880
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: Fifteen, something like unbelievable number it was. But you're right,

881
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to get them. You've got to

882
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: get them into a you know, out of their two

883
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: dimensional offense. It's it's obvious. I think here's the thing

884
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: you suspect and everybody suspects that Baltimore is more of

885
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: a one dimensional offense than anybody else in the league.

886
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: In the league that throws it around. Yeah, he threw

887
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: fifteen times. Was twelve or fifteen? If you can double that,

888
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: if you can get him to throw it thirty times,

889
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: that's there. They're not built for that. Yeah, And I

890
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: know they've got I know they've got you know, Andrews

891
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: and likely Agalore and the rest of those guys. They

892
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: are not built to throw the football. That's what you

893
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: want to make him do. And I and I would

894
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: almost and I was telling you this in the office

895
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: that I'd almost invite him to throw nine guys in

896
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Speaker 2: the box. See how they respond, See how they respond,

897
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: See how committed they are to that RBO game.

898
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I because the talk down there is, you know,

899
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Speaker 4: Mark Andrews hasn't been heavily involved as they've seen him

900
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Speaker 4: in recent past in terms of the passing game. I mean,

901
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: the guy's been a Pro Bowl tight end, and his

902
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: targets are down, his receptions are down. Isaiah Likely obviously

903
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: had the big game in Week one against the Chiefs

904
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Speaker 4: where he caught ten balls, and they really have not

905
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Speaker 4: seen the tight ends get tremendously involved in the passing game.

906
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: But when you're only throwing at fifteen times, what are

907
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: you supposed to expect? So I'm just it was interesting

908
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: to hear Mark Andrews when he was being interviewed yesterday

909
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Speaker 4: by Baltimore media, essentially saying, my time will come.

910
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: It's like everybody cool out. You know, they're going to

911
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: be a factor in this offense.

912
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're fresh off of number one seed last year,

913
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: so nobody's going to jump jump off real quick. But

914
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Speaker 2: you look at last week against the Cowboys, Rashaan Bateman

915
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: had four targets, Zay Flowers had four targets. Hill had

916
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: the running target, the running back had two targets. Everybody

917
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: else only had one target one target. Mark Andrews had

918
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: one target, zero catches. Fifteen targets is a very it's

919
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: that's a very thin anut, butter and jelly sandwich.

920
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: Man.

921
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: When you're spreading at that, then you know nobody's eating,

922
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: right like in a in a Bill's offense, everybody eats.

923
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody eating when you're throwing it fifteen times a game.

924
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: So I and now I'm not saying they can't do that.

925
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: Maybe they want to do it more than that. And

926
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Speaker 2: certainly they had a big lead in that game, and

927
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: they weren't forced to by any stretch of the imagination.

928
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: If I'm a Bill's coaching staff, I say, let's see

929
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Speaker 2: if they got it in him.

930
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 4: I found and I haven't looked at the whole thing yet,

931
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: but I found the Chiefs game interesting from this standpoint.

932
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Speaker 3: You know, to your point, make him throw it.

933
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Speaker 4: He did forty one times against the Chiefs and he

934
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: was efficient. I mean he was twenty six or forty

935
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: one for two hundred and seventy three yards and a touchdown,

936
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Speaker 4: only got sacked once and then also ran for one

937
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty two. I thought more of the Chiefs

938
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: defense and thought they would do.

939
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Speaker 3: A better job.

940
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 4: They did a great job on Derreck Henry, but Lamar

941
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: got out a few times. I mean, he averaged over

942
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 4: seven yards of carrying the game. Now, the Chiefs ultimately

943
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: win the game, so maybe they don't care. But I'm

944
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: wondering if the Bills game is gonna look more like that,

945
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: that's that's maybe maybe.

946
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, Lamar had sixteen He averaged seven and a

947
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: half yards at rush in the Chiefs game.

948
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he.

949
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: Rushed, but he had sixteen. He ran it more himself

950
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: in the Chiefs game than he threw it in Dallas game.

951
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: And Derek Henley had thirteen touches in that game. Yeah,

952
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: so I'm and he had you know so, and he

953
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: had two targets for zero catches. So it's They've got

954
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: a lot of players that are really good, but it

955
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: seems like a lot of their players are on one

956
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: trick guys. You know, they do something really well. Derek

957
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Henry runs the ball extremely well, and I just don't

958
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: know if they have the versatility in their offense to

959
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: do one or the other. I still think the way

960
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: to beat them is to have them like the Chiefs did,

961
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: have him throw it forty times.

962
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Speaker 4: We have to take a break here, but when we

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Speaker 4: come back, our weekly visitor on Friday, senior producer from

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Speaker 4: NFL Films, Greg Cosell, joins us as we talk more

965
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 4: x'es and o's in this matchup between the Bills and

966
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Speaker 4: the Ravens. Greg co Sell up next here on One

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Speaker 4: Bill's Live presented by Kill Out of Health, It's Buffalo

968
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969
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Kaleida Helth.

970
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: The back second hour of Friday edition of One Bills Live.

971
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Speaker 4: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and as we are

972
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Speaker 4: every week now joined by senior producer from NFL Films,

973
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 4: Greg Cosell, whose weekly segment is presented by Scott Lonyard,

974
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: an official commercial site work partner of the Buffalo Bills. Well, Greg,

975
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: it's been a lot of fireworks here the first three

976
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: weeks on offense for the Bills. They hang a forty

977
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: burger on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are They're in a

978
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: bad way right now. They're in a lot of trouble,

979
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Speaker 4: but that's another story. I was stunned, completely stunned, Greg

980
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: that Ryan Nielsen played right into the hands of what

981
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: Josh Allen does best, which is slice and dice man coverage,

982
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: and he's still going with man coverage calls in the

983
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: third quarter. It was mystifying to.

984
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 7: Me, Well, you know, it's funny you say that, and

985
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 7: I certainly don't know Ryan Nielsen, and I do not

986
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 7: say negative things about coaches, but he's a young coordinator.

987
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 7: I believe last year with Atlanta was the first year

988
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 7: he was a coordinator in the league, if memory serves

989
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 7: me correctly, and he played a ton of man coverage

990
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 7: and actually Atlanta was very very good at it a

991
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 7: year ago. They just weren't a great team overall, but

992
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 7: they were very good at playing man. So he's probably

993
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 7: learning and he's going to learn. But he's a man

994
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 7: defensive coach right now, so that's his mo that's the

995
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 7: way he wants to play. And obviously he has injuries

996
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 7: in the secondary. Campbell's not there, so you know, it

997
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 7: turned out not to be the right way to go.

998
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 7: But I'm not sure that it would have been a

999
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 7: druma difference with the way the Bills pass game is

1000
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 7: kind of put together now, and I think Joe Brady

1001
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 7: is doing a phenomenal job. He's making the game easier

1002
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 7: for Josh Allen and there's no quarterback that doesn't love

1003
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 7: completions and easier throws, even if they only get five,

1004
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 7: six or seven yards.

1005
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Well, the Bills are you know, they're hanging thirty points

1006
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: a game that thirty four and first weeks thirty one,

1007
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: the second week now forty seven of course against Jacksonville.

1008
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: Give us an idea, what you know, what's different about

1009
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: this year's verb? What do you see in film study

1010
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: technically speaking about what's different about this Bill's offense this year?

1011
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: Why has it been so effective?

1012
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 7: Well, I'll tell you one thing that immediately stands out,

1013
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 7: and you saw it again this week. They featured shifts

1014
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 7: and motions on thirty one of their thirty nine first

1015
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 7: half snaps. I mean, that's what when we were dealing

1016
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 7: with the competitive part of the game obviously, so they

1017
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 7: had thirty nine first half snaps, motion on thirty one

1018
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 7: of them. It's clearly a foundation of what he's doing.

1019
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 7: What also stands out in their past game is just

1020
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 7: how quick everything is. There are no read one read throw,

1021
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 7: so you're seeing quick swing routes, screen cons steps off motion,

1022
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 7: easy throws for Josh with space for his receivers. And

1023
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 7: you know, even I mentioned the motion part. I mean

1024
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 7: I think that through three games, the numbers I have anyway,

1025
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 7: and maybe they're different a little bit, but I have

1026
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 7: Allen forty six for fifty six ten point three yards

1027
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 7: per at tenp with six of his seven passing touchdowns

1028
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 7: coming off motion.

1029
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 5: So motion has become.

1030
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 7: A big part. And because they get receivers open quick

1031
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 7: and you know, they're not using motion necessarily to attack vertically,

1032
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 7: they're using motion just to get them into space quickly

1033
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 7: and then the ball gets to them. I mean, we

1034
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 7: know Shakira is outstanding in that regard, so is Samuel

1035
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 7: and so is James Cook. They have receivers that are

1036
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 7: really good in space, so you're playing to their strengths

1037
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 7: and it just really helps a quarterback so much.

1038
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, through three games, I know the Bills

1039
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: stand fourth in the league in use of pre snab motion,

1040
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 4: had a clip of just over eighty percent, the only

1041
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 4: teams ahead of them are the ones you would expect

1042
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 4: San Francisco, Miami. Yeah, yeah, I think, and I think

1043
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: Green Bay might be.

1044
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 7: Might be Green Bay. But yeah, well, well they're shin

1045
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 7: to handle the floor school yeaheah.

1046
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: Exactly right.

1047
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, it's working for them in a big,

1048
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 4: big way. I'm just wondering, is there it's a small

1049
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 4: sample size.

1050
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: Joe Brady's new to the league.

1051
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 4: In terms of, you know, game planning against him and

1052
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: his preferences. Is there a point in time here where

1053
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 4: this offense doesn't look this easy to execute because people

1054
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 4: have a working knowledge of what their bread and butter

1055
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: stuff is.

1056
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 7: Yes, And that's where Joe Brady's background hopefully comes into play,

1057
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 7: because don't forget, well, he has not been a coordinator

1058
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 7: in this league very long. He didn't spend the year

1059
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 7: before he was at LSU, spent two years with Sean Payton,

1060
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 7: so he's very, very familiar with that offense and everything

1061
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 7: that goes with that. So you'd have to believe and

1062
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 7: this doesn't mean they won't be issues both. You guys know,

1063
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 7: it's the NFL. As Steve said before we started talking,

1064
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 7: it's a week to week league. You never know, and

1065
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 7: they've got three really difficult road games coming up, so

1066
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 7: you can't you know, we're not on the super Bowl

1067
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 7: train just yet. You know, it's a long way to go,

1068
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 7: you know, and there'll be some some bad moments. That's

1069
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 7: just the nature of the league. But I'd like to

1070
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 7: believe that Joe Brady has in his background from where

1071
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 7: he's been some other things, so when teams start to

1072
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 7: take some things away, he doesn't just keep you know,

1073
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 7: banging his head on the wall. He has some other

1074
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 7: things in his arsenal.

1075
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the Baltimore raven defense when he's

1076
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: got face this week. I mean it's it's I mean

1077
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: it's not. I was telling Brown, it's not the Ray

1078
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: Lewis two thousand Ravens. It's a new defensive coordinator. What

1079
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: are the Bills offense? How do you see these two

1080
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, raven defense, Bill's offense meshing the other way.

1081
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna look like I'll tell you what

1082
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 7: watching their offense this year has been. I'll say TV

1083
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 7: it's not in a bad way, but it takes me

1084
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 7: a long time because they are incredibly multiple with their

1085
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 7: use of personnel. They're incredibly multiple with their front alignments.

1086
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 7: With Kyle Hamilton, they have to me, he's the most

1087
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 7: important player on their defense because he's the one who

1088
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 7: allows them to do all these things. They play conventional nickel,

1089
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 7: they played big nickel. They played dying where they play

1090
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 7: with three corners and three safeties, they played dying where

1091
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 7: they play with four safeties and two corners. They are

1092
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 7: incredibly multiple with what they do, and Zach Orrs is

1093
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 7: a rookie decordinator. But you can see the Mike McDonald

1094
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 7: effect is still there. I mean, I saw blitz this

1095
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 7: week that was right out of the Mike McDonald playbook.

1096
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 7: So it's you know, he's probably look every coach when

1097
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 7: they're new, they wanted to put in some of their stuff,

1098
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 7: but you know, he's smart not to mess with the

1099
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 7: fact that they were the number one defense in the

1100
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 7: league a year ago. And to me, they are a

1101
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 7: difficult defense to play against good players in a really

1102
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 7: good scheme that's really multiple.

1103
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: So would you say the seventeen plays of twenty yards

1104
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 4: or more that they have given up which leads the league.

1105
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 4: Was skewed by last week's game against Dallas.

1106
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 7: To some degree because I watched that tape, and you know,

1107
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 7: I made it into the third quarter. I'm thinking, gee,

1108
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 7: I'm getting close to the end of watching this game,

1109
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, I get to the

1110
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 7: fourth quarter and I felt like there were fifty Dallas

1111
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 7: plays in the fourth quarter.

1112
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1113
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 7: Right, So I don't want to say it's skewed. You know, look,

1114
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 7: there are a lot of good defenses that are tough

1115
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 7: to play against that still give up plays just by

1116
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 7: the nature of how they played. Because there's pressures, there's

1117
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 7: man coverage in this league. That's going to happen.

1118
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1119
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 7: We had briefly mentioned before we came on talking about

1120
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 7: the Vikings and the fact that they are an incredibly

1121
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 7: difficult defense to play against with Brian Flores, but they

1122
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 7: still give up some big plays. So defenses do give

1123
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 7: up plays, but that doesn't make them any less difficult

1124
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 7: to actually game plan for and to go against, because

1125
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 7: there's going to be negative plays when you play defenses

1126
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 7: like that.

1127
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the other side of

1128
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: the ball for the Ravens. Of course, Derrick Henry and

1129
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: Chaun mc dermott said during the run up to this game,

1130
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: he thought that that Derrick Henry pick up by Baltimore

1131
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: was an absolutely brilliant signing for them. It gives them legitimacy,

1132
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: gives them even a stronger running game and legitimacy aside

1133
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: from Lamar And for all those reasons, what do you

1134
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: let's talk about this Ravens offense.

1135
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, the interesting thing is going to be have

1136
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 7: the I don't know if if the Bills this year,

1137
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 7: and this has been the case that they've played any

1138
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 7: snaps of quote unquote based defense. So we know what

1139
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 7: the Ravens are offensively. I mean last week they had

1140
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 7: sixteen snaps of twenty one personnel, thirteen snaps of twenty

1141
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 7: two personnel. They don't play much with three wide receivers

1142
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 7: on the field, but when they do, it can be explosive.

1143
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 7: But the Henry factor is really really big here because

1144
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 7: what works off the Henry factor when he in the

1145
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 7: shotgun and now Henry's become a shotgun back in Baltimore,

1146
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 7: not an iback like he was in Tennessee. So it

1147
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 7: works off that and you have to be really aware

1148
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 7: of and I'm sure they will be. But it's one

1149
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 7: thing to practice in the week and another thing to

1150
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 7: do it in the game is the zone reads. The

1151
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 7: Cowboys got killed by zone reads last week, and it

1152
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 7: just seemed like they may have been prepared, they may

1153
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 7: have practiced, but when you see it happen at that speed,

1154
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 7: with the speed of the quarterback, it's just a really

1155
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 7: difficult thing. Now. I know that they've had good success

1156
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 7: against Lamar in the past, that Sean and staff have

1157
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 7: done a really, really good job, but every year is different,

1158
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 7: and Henry just adds another element to a run game

1159
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 7: that's obviously been really good over the years. But Henry's

1160
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 7: just a different kind of back.

1161
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: All right.

1162
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: So you mentioned the usage of twenty two and twenty

1163
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 4: one personnel last week by Baltimore, But in week two

1164
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: they go forty three percent eleven personnel and go, you know,

1165
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 4: fifty two percent twelve personnel in week one against the

1166
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: Chiefs and you know a lot.

1167
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: Of short passing. Yeap, What are the Ravens?

1168
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 4: I mean, were they so successful in week three that

1169
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: they'll be like, well, this should be our bread and butter.

1170
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: We ran for two hundred and seventy four yards or

1171
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: are they going to keep continuing to spin the dial?

1172
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: Do you think I realize it's game? I realize it's yeah,

1173
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: it's opponent specific, but you don't really Brownie.

1174
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 7: That's a great point. We don't know that yet, because

1175
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 7: I think you mentioned those numbers. I think last week,

1176
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 7: you know, Racard I think played thirty two snaps against

1177
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, but only nineteen against the Chiefs and eighteen

1178
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 7: against the Raiders. So you're right. Through three games, you know,

1179
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 7: we don't necessarily have their exact template, but we do

1180
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 7: know they will line up in meaningful snaps of base personnel. Although,

1181
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 7: as I think we all agree, Cam Lewis has played

1182
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 7: outstanding football and he's almost been kind of a hybrid

1183
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 7: slot linebacker the way in which he's played and the

1184
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 7: way in which they deploy him, because there are times

1185
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 7: based on the offensive personnel information where he's basically a

1186
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 7: stacked linebacker and he does fine. So he's been a

1187
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 7: really key player. He's a bigger man than Johnson, even

1188
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 7: though Johnson's a great slot corner. Lewis is a bigger man.

1189
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 7: So we don't know for sure. I don't think we

1190
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 7: know the answer to that. It's only been three games.

1191
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 7: And look, I can tell you for a fact that

1192
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 7: Todd Monkin wants to be more an eleven personnel. I

1193
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 7: know that from speaking to people. It's just that Lamar's

1194
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 7: really comfortable with Recard out there and with the offense

1195
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 7: when they have, you know, the big people out there.

1196
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 7: So I think it's a balance. I think they were

1197
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 7: because your quarterback has to feel comfortable. If your quarterback's

1198
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 7: not comfortable, you got nothing. So you know, I think

1199
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 7: they're trying to work that out because they brought Monkin

1200
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 7: and really to expand the pass game. But Lamar's really

1201
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 7: comfortable with the heavy personnel.

1202
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 4: All right, So let me take that a step further,

1203
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 4: because the Bills in their last few matchups under Sean

1204
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: McDermott against Baltimore seventy percent zone coverage against against Lamar.

1205
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 4: But Lamar right now is the league's highest rated passer

1206
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 4: against zone coverage right now with a passer rating of

1207
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 4: one twenty point three.

1208
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: Is it still gonna work?

1209
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1210
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 7: I don't think that'll change because that's what the Bills.

1211
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 7: All the Bills are a too high safety as their foundation.

1212
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 7: Again saying this, I don't want people to think this

1213
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 7: is what they do ninety nine percent of the time.

1214
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 7: Nobody does anything that is that kind of high percentage.

1215
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 7: But at their foundation. The Bills are a too high

1216
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 7: shell defense that predominantly plays zone. Okay, now I don't

1217
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 7: really see that changing because the one thing about playing

1218
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 7: man against Lamar, even if you spy him, he's going

1219
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 7: to be faster than anybody you spy him with because

1220
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 7: I assume the linebackers again, Bernard's already been declared out,

1221
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 7: so you're going to have Specter and Williams. Now, Williams

1222
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 7: happens to be a really good athlete, but still it's Lamar.

1223
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 7: I don't think you're going to spend a lot of

1224
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 7: time playing man when it's third and seven because he's

1225
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 7: going to you know, he'll take off and he'll beat you.

1226
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 7: So you're going to see zone and you know, if

1227
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 7: he makes great throws, you got to tip your hat.

1228
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 7: But I don't think you're going to see a lot

1229
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 7: of man on those high leverage, critical downage dis in situations.

1230
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: What about the what do you think that the Ravens

1231
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: want to do at their coret I mean they got

1232
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: into a Chiefs game it ended up being twenty right

1233
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: through the ball forty one times, which seems out of

1234
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: character to them. You know, what, how does that fit

1235
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: in with where they want to go. Now, how much

1236
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: was that the Chiefs forcing him to do that?

1237
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 7: That's you know, Steve, It's funny way, and that's why

1238
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 7: I say all the time, and I'll say it to

1239
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 7: you guys. It's three games and every year is different.

1240
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 7: So it's hard to know exactly what their templates going

1241
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 7: to be.

1242
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: Now.

1243
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 7: Granted, they got ahead reasonably big last week against the Cowboys,

1244
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 7: so Lamar only had fifteen pass attempts. Now, fifteen's on

1245
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 7: the low end. Forty one is probably on the high end.

1246
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 7: My guess is, if they had their exact proper game plan,

1247
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 7: he'd probably have, you know, in the thirty dropback range, okay,

1248
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 7: and then you know, obviously he's gonna run some even

1249
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 7: when he drops back. But that would probably be my

1250
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 7: guess as to where they want to be in terms

1251
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 7: of the run game versus his dropbacks. But we don't know,

1252
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 7: you know, it becomes game specific at this point. Now,

1253
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 7: maybe in three four more weeks. Obviously we won't be

1254
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 7: discussing the Ravens in three four more weeks, but then

1255
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 7: we'll have a better sense of what their profile is.

1256
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 7: I'm not sure we know that, And then it depends

1257
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 7: on how the game plays out. You know, if the

1258
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 7: Bills can get off the quick starts, which they've done

1259
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 7: this year and did not do last year at all rarely,

1260
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 7: then sometimes that changes the game for coordinator because let's

1261
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 7: say you go up fourteen to nothing. Even though everybody says, oh,

1262
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 7: that doesn't change anybody's game plan, you guys both know

1263
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 7: that there's a mental part of that that just settles in,

1264
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 7: even for the coordinator, you know, because if you hand

1265
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 7: off and you get two yards, you start to think,

1266
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 7: I don't really want a two yard game.

1267
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: We're down fourteen nothing.

1268
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 7: You know, it just changes the way you see the game,

1269
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 7: even if it's only late first quarter. So I think

1270
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 7: the game flow will dictate.

1271
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: A lot of that.

1272
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 4: Bills have the best first down defense through the first

1273
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 4: three weeks. Part of that might be doing part to

1274
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: the fact that they haven't played juggernaut opponents yet. But

1275
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: how much can their play on first down really kind

1276
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 4: of force the hand of Baltimore's Steve is saying they

1277
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 4: should be forcing them to throw the ball, put nine

1278
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: in the box if you have to, and see what

1279
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 4: Lamar wants to do. I'm just encouraged that the Bills

1280
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 4: have been very good on first down with.

1281
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 7: Defense well, and and again in the summer is when

1282
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 7: I speak to coaches, you know, just because I watch

1283
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 7: tape and I sort of like to validate, you know,

1284
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 7: what I see, And sometimes they'll tell me they see

1285
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 7: it differently, and sometimes they say, hey, you're right on

1286
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 7: the money, you know. So more often than not, I hope,

1287
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 7: But I think that most coaches will still say that

1288
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 7: they'd rather see Lamar in the pocket than out of

1289
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 7: the pocket. I mean, I think, you know, he's not

1290
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 7: a bad thrower. We're not saying he can't throw the football.

1291
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 7: That's not the point. But I think that he's viewed

1292
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,479
Speaker 7: as being uniquely dangerous out of the pocket. There's he's

1293
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 7: still that special guy. Then there's no one quite like

1294
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Speaker 7: him in the league when he gets out of the pocket.

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Speaker 7: So I think the feeling is just what you said, Brownie,

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Speaker 7: that you want him to have to throw the football.

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 7: You want Monkin to call pass plays based on how

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01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 7: the the Bills are lining up, you know, with their defense,

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Speaker 7: that's what you'd like. Now, having said that, you can

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01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 7: also get burned, you know, the last thing you want

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Speaker 7: is to give up a sixty yard touchdown. So that's

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Speaker 7: the balancing act for a defensive coach, because you're not

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 7: dealing with a guy that can't throw it. It's not like, oh,

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01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 7: this guy can't throw. And they do have speed on

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 7: the outside. Flowers is dynamic, Agilar is not a volume target,

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Speaker 7: but he can run. You know, even Bateman has some speed.

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Speaker 7: They've got some speed on the perimeter, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's basically even though they've got the talented guys

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01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: outside Mark Andrew's and likely inside as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the thing.

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 2: You'd still you'd still rather have the bowl in their

1312
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: hands than Lamar's hands.

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Speaker 7: I think coaches feel that way. But you know, they

1314
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 7: have a lot of weapons. I mean, just like you said,

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Speaker 7: even if they go with you know, say twelve personnel,

1316
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 7: two tight ends, both Likely and Andrews can detach from

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01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 7: the formation and basically play like wide receivers. So there's

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 7: a lot of formation elements here in addition to just

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 7: talent and individual elements. And you know, and that's another

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Speaker 7: reason I think you'll see more zone Steve, because if

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01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 7: you play out of a two shell, you don't have

1322
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 7: to respond to motion, you don't have to get crazy

1323
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 7: about formations because it's a balanced defensive. Look, you never

1324
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 7: have to worry about changing the strength because you've got

1325
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 7: a four across umbrella looks, so you don't have to

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01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 7: worry if the strength of the offense changes.

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Speaker 3: Last one for me, Greg.

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: The running backs, all three of them for the Bills,

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 4: have been pretty heavily involved the first three weeks. They're

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 4: scoring touchdowns. All three of them scored last week. Well

1331
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 4: who didn't last week? But I guess the point I'm

1332
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: trying to make is they're cycling them all through. They're

1333
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 4: all getting opportunities, and they're all have been productive.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and I think that was probably the

1335
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 7: plan because you know, Cook's clearly the number one back.

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 7: We know Davis is a totally different kind of bag,

1337
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,919
Speaker 7: and I think games will dictate how much he plays,

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01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 7: you know, the nature of a given game. And Johnson,

1339
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 7: because I remember watching that kid in Maryland. He's a

1340
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 7: he's always been a terrific receiver, you know, and I

1341
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 7: like Cook as a receiver and it was a shame

1342
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 7: he had that drop last week. But Johnson may even

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01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 7: be a better receiver overall. So they're all different, and

1344
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 7: they all provide something, and there's packages, you know, certainly

1345
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 7: for Davis and Johnson. Cooks clearly number one, but I

1346
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 7: think the game flow and the way a game plays

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Speaker 7: out will dictate usage, particularly for Davis and Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Last one, I just want to ask you a general question.

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: What are the is there? You know, if you think

1350
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: about the AFC, what are the most biggest the biggest

1351
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: surprises for you? I mean, is it Pittsburgh being three

1352
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,480
Speaker 2: and oh kind of thing.

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: One defensive touchdown?

1354
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's uh, some of the stuff that's

1355
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: going on is a little surprising this And I think

1356
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 2: the way the Jets played last Thursday night, that's that's

1357
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: the team we thought they would be.

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Speaker 7: And I think, see, I'm not surprised by the Jets

1359
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 7: because Aaron Rodgers. I mean, right, you know, I mean,

1360
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 7: to me, Aaron Rodgers may be the best thrower of

1361
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 7: the football we've ever seen, just the way he throws

1362
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 7: a ball. And he actually moved really well in that game,

1363
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 7: you know, which was kind of surprising. But he looked

1364
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 7: really good making throws on the move. And they've got

1365
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 7: a really nice one two punch in the backfield. They've

1366
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Speaker 7: got good receiver if Mike Williams stays healthy, They've got

1367
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Speaker 7: a really good receiving corps. He'll make better use of

1368
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Speaker 7: Conkling the tight end than anybody previously with Concord because

1369
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 7: Conklin's a very good receiver, he just hasn't been a

1370
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Speaker 7: volume target in previous years in the league. The Jets

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01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 7: are a team, Like I said, I wouldn't call him surprise,

1372
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Speaker 7: but I think they're going to be a real interesting

1373
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 7: team to kind of watch. And the Bills get them

1374
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 7: in what three weeks, and we'll see where the Bills

1375
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 7: stand where the Jets stand at that point. But that's

1376
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 7: going to be a really big game regardless of what

1377
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 7: happens in the next two weeks.

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01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: All right, Greg, thanks as always for the time. Appreciate it.

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with you next week.

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 7: All right, guys, thanks so much, appreciate it.

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 2: Thanks Greg.

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 4: That's senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, joining us

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: as he does every Friday in his appearance presented by

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 4: Scott Lawnyard.

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 6: Steve.

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 4: We got to take a break here, but when we

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Speaker 4: come back, we've got some other things coming down the

1388
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 4: pike before we finish up for the week, and you know,

1389
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Speaker 4: among them Tailgate Friday. I want to know what's on

1390
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 4: the menu. I don't care that it's a road game.

1391
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 4: Bill's Mafia. Let us know what you're cooking up, so

1392
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 4: we'll get to that when we return.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: On One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, it's Buffalo

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Speaker 4: Bills Radio.

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: Welcome back to a Friday edition of One Bill's Live.

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 4: Chris Brown, Steve'sasker with You, and it is time for

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01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 4: Tailgate Friday, presented by high Mark Blue Cross Blue Shield.

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Speaker 4: High Mark is the official healthcare plan of the Buffalo Bills.

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: Because I want to see what you got cooking up

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 4: on the grill in the oven in the driveway. With

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01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 4: it being a road game this week, not everybody making

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: the trip to Baltimore, and Jack chimes in with the following,

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 4: my favorite segment. We're having company this week for the game.

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 4: So when honor of the Bills heading to the Chesapeake,

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01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 4: I'm making blue crab dip and grilling up some old

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 4: Bay buttered chicken wings. If you've ever seen these, you

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 4: gotta try them. Extra crispy.

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01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 3: May also make chili with black beans and hobb and arrows.

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01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm a bit Hobnaro fan.

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 3: He had me at hobby Narows. Yes I am me too.

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 2: That's a great it's a great flavorful chili. I love it.

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: And it's chili season. I haven't done it yet. I

1414
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: got to get into it.

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta make a patch myself.

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01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say we get I always get

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 4: excited for the start of football season. Chili season starts

1418
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 4: right after and I think four week four is the

1419
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 4: sweet spot. The weather is just starting to change, it's

1420
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Speaker 4: officially fall.

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: And it's been a while. It's like opening day chili season,

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01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: right to me.

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: That to me triggers chili season in every possible way

1424
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 3: you can imagine.

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, Andrew, So it's gonna have a nice

1426
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 4: turkey dinner and enjoy time with the family.

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: It seems a little premature for that. We got to

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01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: get to November for that, don't we.

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, roastn er maybe deep frying it, who knows,

1430
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: but yeah, good stuff? All right, Yeah, you're right, it does.

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01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah that when you said nice turkey dinner,

1432
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: that always rings Thanksgiving, you know holiday.

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 4: I think we got to get at least halfway through

1434
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,520
Speaker 4: October to even think about roast turkey.

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 2: When it's just a standalone meal. It's like I'm sure,

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: it's very nice, but not so it's unusual.

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01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 4: I wonder if I wonder if that's an all day

1438
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 4: thing too. He's maybe figuring it's a night game, so

1439
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 4: cook the turkey all day, then busted.

1440
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 3: Out for like a five o'clock inner.

1441
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: Everybody's fallen asleep on trip to fan and then you

1442
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 4: wake him up with, you know, some coffee or something when.

1443
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: The games at eight.

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,919
Speaker 4: Betty on Tailgate Friday submits the following, it's our fortieth

1445
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 4: wedding anniversary, so most likely ribbi steak, potatoes and broccoli.

1446
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 4: Any other day i'd make Italian chili and garlic knots

1447
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: go bills. Oh my gosh, that's wasn't good.

1448
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 2: What's a garlic knot?

1449
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: Oh it's so.

1450
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 4: It's basically you can get them at pizzerias in New York.

1451
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 4: But basically they're a They're just a dough ball and

1452
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: it's seasoned with garlic. I think of garlic bread, but

1453
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 4: not crusty, just like a little knotted bun. It's got

1454
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: some olive oil and garlic.

1455
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,480
Speaker 2: On what's what's special about Italian? What's Italian?

1456
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna plead ignorance on this.

1457
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 4: I have not heard of Italian chili, so I'm gonna

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 4: if Betty is listening, I'm going to humbly rec quest

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01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: that you provide an ingredients list for that, because I

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: would be all over that.

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: I mean.

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,879
Speaker 2: But happy fortieth though, yes, happy fortieth.

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 4: Congrats to Betty and her betrothed, who sounds very much

1464
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 4: like a meat and potatoes guy since he's get Ribby's steak,

1465
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 4: potatoes and broccoli. But I gotta I'm gonna have to

1466
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 4: ask her for the ingredients list because, as we know,

1467
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 4: Steve chili is tomato sauce based from the jump. So

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01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 4: what makes it uniquely Italian chili? I'm guessing there's gotta

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 4: be pasta noodles in there. That's number one. This I'm

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Speaker 4: just guessing here. I don't know this. I would guess

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01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 4: there's pasta noodles of some kind, maybe an egg noodle,

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01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 4: something thicker. And then beyond that, there's gotta be like

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 4: dice tomatoes that you can visibly see in the chili,

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01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: or maybe even shredded tomatoes, depending on how far down

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 4: the pike you want to go to make it Italian.

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01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's I wonder if it's sweet tomato.

1477
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: Sauce like spaghetti sauce or you know, pasta sauce or

1478
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: is it or is it spicy like Mexican.

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that it would be. I'm intrigued here.

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I need an ingredients list for Italian chili.

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 3: J Matt says.

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01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 4: I would say having my power restored here in Piedmont,

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 4: South Carolina would be the plan. Everyone that was in

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 4: that path of Helene stays safe. Yeah, it's it's raining

1485
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 4: a lot down there, so hopefully you guys are okay,

1486
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 4: and you know, fortunately it's we're not too deep into

1487
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 4: the fall or winter. They worry about losing power and

1488
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 4: not having heat and and that kind of stuff.

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01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: But I hope everybody's doing okay things.

1490
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 2: That storm is plowing right through it, right through everybody.

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay safe. They said they got seven and a

1492
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: half inches of rain and panhandle Florida in about six hours,

1493
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: which is nuts.

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01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like stand in front of a fire hose, right.

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 3: So I hope everybody's doing good down there. But yeah,

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01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 3: good submissions. I know we've got people in my neighborhood.

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 4: There's like three or four houses, and for road games,

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01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 4: they kind of rotate which driveway is hosting. And they've

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Speaker 4: got they got a grill out there, fire pit, like

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Speaker 4: six or seven coolers, sometimes at sometimes at DJ, and

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 4: then they've got a sixty inch TV set up in

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 4: the garage.

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Speaker 2: It's good stuff.

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01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: It's it's big time effort there.

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01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 2: That's good.

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1507
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1508
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: Neighborhood that's good. Neighborhoods like that. That's awesome.

1509
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. So thank you for your submissions for Tailgate Friday.

1510
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 3: We appreciate it. I'm always curious what people have on

1511
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 3: the menu. Every week.

1512
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 4: We do have to get to our Friday fan mail bag,

1513
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 4: which we have yet to crack open, so we'll do

1514
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 4: that here. And Rick asks the following, I'd like to

1515
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 4: ask Steve what was it that let him know it

1516
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 4: was time to retire?

1517
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 3: And was it a difficult decision to make?

1518
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: Uh? For me, it was not a difficult decision. And

1519
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: I knew it was time to retire when I couldn't

1520
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 2: prepare to play well enough to play well. You know,

1521
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: I couldn't train hard because of orthopedic issues and all that,

1522
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 2: and it's and it's hard to play well when you

1523
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: don't you're not able to prepare well. And that's That's

1524
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: what did it for me. I couldn't get ready to

1525
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: play as well as I wanted to play, and therefore

1526
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: couldn't play as well as I wanted to play either.

1527
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: So I knew it was time for me. And no,

1528
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't a difficult decision. I thought it was the

1529
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: right time, and I was happy to be able to

1530
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: make it myself, to say it, getting kicked out of

1531
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: the league like so many other guys do.

1532
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember you'd said once the only time you

1533
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 4: felt good was when you were running one hundred miles

1534
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 4: an hour.

1535
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only as the stopping that stunk.

1536
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a starting So I couldn't even take a

1537
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: knee and feel good, right if something was aching, you know.

1538
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: But when you read when I was running and running

1539
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: as hard as I could run, I felt okay, problem

1540
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: is you can't rest like that, you know. So yeah,

1541
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 2: it was the weirdest thing ever. And and I heard

1542
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: James Lofton, my good friend and former Bills, say the

1543
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 2: same thing. He goes, I can run still run fast,

1544
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: he goes, I just can't stop. And that's that's kind

1545
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: of basically what you go through the pressure on your

1546
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: feet and lower let knees and ankles and lower legs.

1547
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: When you play wide receiver defensive back in the league,

1548
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: particularly wide receiver, it's that's what really does it for you. Really,

1549
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: it's painful to do that. You can run, but to

1550
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: stop hard and explode away from another human being who's

1551
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: trying to stay with you, that's when it really hurts that,

1552
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of stuff keeps you from playing

1553
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: your best.

1554
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: It's a lot of weird and tear ed asks.

1555
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 4: When was the last time the Bills had so many

1556
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 4: of its draft choices make the fifty three man roster

1557
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 4: and all stay in the organization. That's a good question

1558
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 4: ed because we've seen even draft choice is who don't

1559
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 4: make the fifty three man roster get poached by other

1560
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 4: teams like alex As Alex Austin, their seventh round pick

1561
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 4: last year, goes to Houston, washes out, and then goes

1562
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 4: to New England and he's still there now as a cornerback.

1563
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: Nick Broker was a late round pick who was an

1564
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 4: offensive lineman out of Old Miss. He gets plucked away

1565
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 4: by the Houston Texans and I think he's still kicking

1566
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: around the league. Yeah, I'll have to go back and look,

1567
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 4: it's been a minute. I would if I had to guess,

1568
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 4: I would I would assume it would be relatively early

1569
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 4: in the McDermott Bean regime when the roster wasn't as

1570
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 4: filled out and the full draft class was more likely

1571
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 4: to make the roster, like twenty eighteen for example, something

1572
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 4: like that. So it has been a minute, I would guess,

1573
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 4: four or five years. So yeah, really, when you think

1574
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 4: about it, the only guy from this year's draft class

1575
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 4: who is not on the active roster is Daikwon Hardy

1576
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 4: and he's still on their practice squad.

1577
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: It was a good I think he had a it's

1578
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 2: a good draft. It was a good draft. Yeah, for

1579
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: that reason, if that reason alone, certainly there was there

1580
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: was some room on this roster that wasn't there the

1581
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: last two or three years because of the veteran nature

1582
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: of the roster and what they were working with. But

1583
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 2: that doesn't make it easier for these guys coming in.

1584
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: They still got to prove it because there's a lot

1585
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 2: of guys out there who are waiting to take their spot.

1586
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it does say something, and good on

1587
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and the scouting staff in the draft room

1588
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 2: to get enough guys that they want to hang on

1589
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: to all of them.

1590
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of reminded of what Brandon Bean said

1591
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 4: back in January after the season was over. Obviously, he

1592
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 4: knew what was coming in terms of the need to

1593
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,759
Speaker 4: make some salary cap cuts, maybe a trade or two

1594
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 4: release some older players. He probably knew what was coming

1595
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 4: down the pike when he said this, but he said,

1596
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 4: we have to nail this draft class.

1597
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: He knew why.

1598
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 4: We could all speculate as to why he felt that way.

1599
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 4: But now we're seeing the fruits of that labor, because

1600
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 4: you had to fill some pretty big holes, and in

1601
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 4: the early going here, a lot of the young players

1602
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 4: have been up to the task. Coleman gets his first

1603
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 4: touchdown last week. Ray Davis has been solid at the

1604
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 4: running back position. Dwayne Carter is part of the eight

1605
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 4: man rotation, and apparently.

1606
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: The guys that they have, the guys that they have

1607
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: hung onto from other drafts and other free agent classes

1608
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: and undrafted rookies, those guys have stepped up too. It's

1609
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 2: it really speaks to the culture of what goes on

1610
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to have be as I'll tell you,

1611
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: you don't see this brownie from other teams where you've

1612
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: get where you get guys that have been around the building,

1613
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 2: banged around the building as undrafted fre agents, are low

1614
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: round draft picks, mid round draft picks who all of

1615
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: a sudden you get a chance to start and then

1616
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 2: come in and play extremely well. It's obvious these guys

1617
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 2: have been working at it really hard during the time

1618
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: we haven't seen them. They've gotten they've acclimated to the culture,

1619
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: they've assimilated the defensive scheme in this case, and they

1620
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: they're ready to play. DeMar Hamlin's a perfect example. It

1621
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: took two guys being out for him to get on

1622
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: the field as a player two years ago, and now

1623
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: he's held off a number one, you know, to number

1624
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 2: two draft pick and a high level free agent and

1625
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: he's got the job, still got the job. That speaks

1626
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 2: to the culture and how well these guys are developing

1627
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: while they're standing around. They're not just standing around while

1628
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: they're while they're banging around this building. It really does

1629
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: speak to McDermott. In the program they put together.

1630
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean even Javon Solomon, he gets to play

1631
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 4: twelve snaps last week and makes an impact. Yeah, Van

1632
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 4: Praying Granger got in the game last week. So the

1633
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 4: class is not only strong at the top, it goes

1634
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 4: all the way through seemingly and we're only three games

1635
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 4: into their NFL careers.

1636
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 3: It's certainly encouraging.

1637
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 4: Joanne in the mail Bag asks some say the Bill's

1638
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 4: lack of talent will catch up as they play better opponents.

1639
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 4: Couldn't this be the emergence of talent? This is reminiscent

1640
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 4: of the Breedy era. He kept winning even when player

1641
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 4: after player left. Josh is elevating everyone around him.

1642
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 3: From what I see, what are your thoughts?

1643
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 2: Well, offensively, Josh is elevating those guys, no question. Plus

1644
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: they've got some mean. Keon Coleman's got some measurables. He's

1645
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: a big, fast dude who catches the ball really well.

1646
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 2: Great body control, great hands, He's got some stuff. The

1647
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: other guys like Curtis Samuel has been in this league

1648
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: for a reason. He can play Khalil Shakir. Yes, you

1649
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 2: can say that that maybe Josh is elevating, but I

1650
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 2: think Khalis Shakir he is one of those guys who

1651
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 2: has gotten better since he got here as a fifth

1652
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: round draft pick. So I'm Kincaid knocks Yeah, I'm with

1653
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: you that Josh has elevated them to a certain extent

1654
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: by giving them opportunities. And certainly Josh elevates everybody when

1655
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: he makes a play that keeps, makes everybody look good

1656
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: and makes the offense more productive. But yeah, that I

1657
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 2: don't think it's a lack of talent. Talent. I think

1658
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: it's a I think it's an abundance of development.

1659
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you wanna, I'll play Devil's advocate

1660
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 4: here for a second. It's not gonna look as easy

1661
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 4: as it did last Monday Night.

1662
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 2: And they're not gonna win seven. We're not gonna win

1663
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 2: seventeen games either in the regular season. They're gonna drop

1664
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: one or two here or there.

1665
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 4: However, many it's not gonna look as easy against higher

1666
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 4: caliber opponents, and that's certainly what Buffalo is going to

1667
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 4: be facing each of the next three weeks at Baltimore,

1668
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 4: at Houston, at the Jets. So, while I think Steve

1669
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 4: and I are very excited about the talent level on

1670
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 4: the roster, and it's probably better than a lot of

1671
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 4: people anticipated, that talent is not just going to blow

1672
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 4: by everybody in the league. I think you're facing a

1673
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 4: physical quality defense in Baltimore. Houston's defense might be a

1674
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 4: little underrated, and then the Jets defense always gives Buffalo problems.

1675
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:37,520
Speaker 4: So I think they are playing exciting football. They're executing

1676
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 4: at a high level. But good defenses compromise your execution

1677
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 4: because they're trying to execute two and if they're worth

1678
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 4: their salt, you're going to lose on some of those plays.

1679
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 4: So I think that's something that we should anticipate going forward,

1680
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: just knowing the caliber.

1681
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 3: Of opponent is taking a step up here these next

1682
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: three weeks.

1683
01:26:58,439 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

1684
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 3: Kelly.

1685
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kelly in the mailbag says, please explain while having

1686
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 4: why having several good options offensively versus number one receiver

1687
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 4: is seen as a negative and something that is likely

1688
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 4: to be productively unsustainable. I think Steve is not as

1689
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 4: down on this as most others.

1690
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm not. No, I think it's a

1691
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: great place to be. The problem is this, when you've

1692
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: got a number one guy, it's a matchup problem. No

1693
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: matter who you're playing, he's gonna win. Steph Diggs was

1694
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: getting the ball thrown to him when he was getting

1695
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 2: guarded one on one by you know, anybody you know,

1696
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: Jayalen Ramsey, you name it. A guy. Having a number

1697
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: one guy is an option even when he's not an option.

1698
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: That's that's why everybody wants him, because there is no

1699
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: answer for those guys. The only answer comes when the

1700
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: quarterback can't find him, or when he's flushed from the pocket,

1701
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: or they they spend so many assets stopping him that

1702
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: everybody else is standing in an empty field. That's why

1703
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: you want to want number one guy. The problem with

1704
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys is if you've got a bunch

1705
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: of guys, none of them are good enough to be

1706
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,879
Speaker 2: a number one guy and therefore can be taken away easier,

1707
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 2: one at a time. And if you get predictable in

1708
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: your offensive sets, motions, personnel groupings, they can start to

1709
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: make As the season progresses, they can start to make

1710
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 2: educated guesses as to which one ye're targeting in any

1711
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: given situation. And then you got nobody because the guy

1712
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: you thought you were going to get to is taken away,

1713
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: and nobody else is that number one guy who's good

1714
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 2: enough to win, So now you have nobody. That's the

1715
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: logic that follows down through that. Now I don't think

1716
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: the Bills are there. I think Kincaid's always an option,

1717
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 2: and I think they it takes so much to stop

1718
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid, other guys are going to be able to win.

1719
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: I think Keon Coleman has yet to see his ceiling.

1720
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: And Khalisha kir you know that dude. He is close

1721
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 2: to being a number one. He is as good as

1722
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:07,879
Speaker 2: slot receiver as anybody.

1723
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 3: So there we got a break though.

1724
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 4: We'll be back in a moment to close things up

1725
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 4: here on One Bill's Live with Vision of Victory. Vision

1726
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 4: to Victory presented by Owall Eyecare, the official eye care

1727
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 4: provider of the Buffalo Bills. It's basically this, keep Lamar

1728
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 4: Jackson and Derrick Henry under wraps. It sounds simple, but

1729
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 4: it's not going to be easy. That's it for Steve

1730
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 4: and I. We'll see on Monday for a three hour

1731
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: show at noon