WEBVTT - Salty Dogs Podcast with Dare Ogunbowale 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.000 What do you call two guys that were there when 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.040 this happened? Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock at 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.039 the chain, He's still the twenty He's still the twenty 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:13.240 five plot to Yarline history fifty forty the thirty yards 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.759 Lock Michael Rot, Michael Rot, Michael Rod, set stop tap, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.840 there you go, and that sixty two yard for your 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:30.320 goal attempts. It is God, God, God, God box the Eagles. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:35.440 Who can forget again? I'm looking again already. Derek Bucks 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:40.080 direty touchdown tampl Day, Derek Books, spariable player. You're a 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.000 national football like third ass Tuck Daggers, And where are 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.599 you gonna win the Super Bowl? We call them the 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.520 Salty Dogs and greetings everyone to the Salty Dogs Podcast. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.400 Week Uh, I guess week four of the regular seasons. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.320 Damn man, you're pretty chipper after that game, I'm trying 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.400 to beat. Well. I noticed to when I listen to 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.200 these that the music is really loud at the beginning, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.319 So if I don't yell, you can barely hear me. Well, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.200 Mr producer, I was gonna say, I'm just burying. At 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.000 some point, you're gonna have to listen to me talk 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.919 because that is kind of a boat. Well, I'll lower 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.600 the music even more so that you can hear Scott 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.119 Smith and Okay, Jeff Ryan, we are the salty Dogs 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.160 and we're gonna have a thirty salty this morning. Yeah, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.640 we're feeling salty. We're gonna have darrycle Bawally and here 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.080 special Teams captain uh former walk on at Wisconsin, guy 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.440 who has really fought his way to where he is now. Yeah, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.800 I want to hear about I'm looking for I really 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.559 have not engaged with him, so I'm looking looking forward 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.319 to it. He's pretty easy to engage with. Thanks, you're 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.119 gonna like him, cool dude, like all right, okay, So 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.040 before we do that, let's get let's have a happy 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.600 time with Darry. So let's get the lame stuff all 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.440 the way first. Obviously, the Buccaneers are coming off a 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.560 thirty two thirty one loss in which it would have 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.040 been a win for all the things that I didn't 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:00.880 go the way you wanted. If you make a thirty 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.360 four yard field goal at the end, you win the game. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.240 And you're gonna make a thirty four yard field goal 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.120 almost every time you would you would think, but you know, 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.880 you have to go kind of way back and and um, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.240 I think it was your first year two playing the 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.840 L A. Rams on a Sunday night. We had a 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.240 big league and nothing at halftime. You know what I 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.160 remember the player remember from that game is ty J Armstrong, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.600 the big tight end who was basically just a blocker, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.680 like fight to the end. That was that game, wasn't it. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.079 I think that might have been ninety three, But in 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.680 any case, he caught a pass down the seam and 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.880 two Rams hit him, but they hit him from opposite sides. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.520 It was like equal opposite force, and so they just 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.919 both kind of they canceled each other off and bounced 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.280 off each other and he ran for like an eighty 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.120 one year a touchdown. But they I also remember that 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.000 we blew that game and lost it. It was it 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:53.880 was like that, is that what you're saying? I remember that, 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.799 And then I think the only other one would be 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.799 I want to say it was oh four against the Colts. No, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.520 that was two thousand and three that I don't want 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.160 to talk about that game. We've talked about the game 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.800 too many times, so but but I'm saying that that's 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.120 that feeling. But in this particular game. I believe that 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.280 the way that way it started out, you had an 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.240 eighteen point lead at to half, you're you're looking at 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.560 all these things and you're thinking, this is this is good, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.960 this is how this team should be. Yeah, offensive offensively, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.240 Um yeah, listen, here's a ludicrous theory. I heard this 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.880 week that the Buccaneers. It was worse for the Buccaneers 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.160 when Sae Kwon Barkley got hurt and left the game 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.600 because we had we had formed our whole defensive game 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.320 plan around stopping Sae Kwon Barkley. So when he's out, no, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.760 because the first of all, they were going to throw 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.560 the ball. They were down eighteen, they were gonna throw 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.800 the ball anyway, and if they had sake, when they 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.560 had another good guy to throw the ball too, it 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.360 was it was a ludicrous theory. And in fact, somebody said, 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.680 somebody kind of threw that Bruce yesterday and he said, no, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.040 you never, you never. Don't want a great player out there. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.400 But they were going to throw the ball anyway. They're down, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:00.920 they're not going to run it that much that we 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.120 weren't having any success, which is true. We'd already shut 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.200 down the run. We an't succeeded in that part of 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.920 the game plan. So it's just a matter of our 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.839 secondary covering and we didn't get it done. So that's silly. Um, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.880 it's not like you go into a game and and yeah, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.800 and he said, and I agree that the number one 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.039 issue was stopping especially and and make the rookie beat you. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.359 And unfortunately he did because of a misfield. And he 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.039 beat you more with his legs than his army, although 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.200 he had some. It was an impressive performance. And and 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.840 you know, and and good for him, okay, and good 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.839 for him. Um, I guess it. You know, I can't 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.880 feel too charitable about it. Let's talk about the field 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.720 goal sequence. We need to talk about it, okay at 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:45.240 the end. So before we get into that, let's talk 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.960 about the extra points. Yeah. And the reason why is 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.320 the NFL is getting what they wanted. And that was 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.040 everyone was complaining, why are you wasting time kicking an 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.360 extra point? It happens all the time, and the league says, okay, fine, 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.680 we're gonna move it back. So it's really a thirty 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.680 three yard field goal, which again you should make, which 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.599 you should make. However, if you look around the league, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.320 how many people are missing extra We missed too. One 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.120 was blocked. The other night, the Sunday night game, there 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.520 was a missed extra point and it kind of it. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.360 It made me stop for a second and say, there's 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:25.240 no givens now, which is which is right? And so 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.040 uh in that. But when you miss an extra point, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.960 it does come back and haunt you. It feels, you know, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.440 you see that happen at the beginning of the the game, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.640 and you think, man, are we going to regret that 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.080 at the end? Yes, two of them though was kind 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.680 of egregious, but well yeah, I mean, I mean and 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.720 and and I give credit to uh um to gay. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.080 He he stood there after the game and said, it's 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.839 on me. If I had made those two extra points, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.120 we wouldn't be in the Somebody alerted him that the 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.359 media was about to come in and said, would you 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.600 like to, um, you know, go go into the train 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.560 room or something and you know, and have time to 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.160 compose yourself before you tech me. He said, no, I'm 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.640 gonna do it right now. Yeah, that's that's that's pretty impression. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.440 I mean, he knows his job, he knows what he's 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.480 supposed to do. He made four field goals, including a 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.640 fifty two and forty seven yarder, and you know you 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.000 even forget about that. I mean, you don't even think 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.120 about that. He made four in a row, so you're 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.360 thinking the last one, it's okay, this is gonna be great. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.200 So let's get to that sequence. Mike Evans catches the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.920 past four yard Yeah, and he got behind that. I 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.840 don't know how a cornerback, let's you get behind him. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.840 He I didn't see the move. If he didn't, if 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.560 he if he didn't have to leap a little bit 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.039 to go down, I might as he would have scored. So, um, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.600 he scores. I mean he's down to the nine. The 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.120 Bucks were run up and spike it because they want 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:42.520 to save their last time out because they want to 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.400 run down the clock and then call the time out 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.719 and kick it. Uh, there's procedural issues. Um we sub. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.279 They sub the ref standing over the ball, the clock 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.440 is taking down. We take a delay of game penalty. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.840 So now it's at the fourteen and then uh, the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.880 after that, the play is to run the ball to 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.160 the other hash because they have found that Gay has 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.080 if he has any issues, it's from the right. Hash 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.520 pushes it, keeps it outside, so they wanted to get 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.160 to the other hash, so that had lost two more yards. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.520 So now it's a thirty four yard field goal when 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.480 it could have been a yard or twenty. It would 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.760 have been twenty seven from the nine. Okay. After the game, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.600 Bruce has asked about that, obviously, coach arians and says, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.680 and I'm gonna I'm gonna read these quotes because we 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.400 need to talk about the disparity here. I just took 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.120 it on purpose. That field goal is easier back five yards, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.480 no sense hurting. We wanted to move the ball over, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.560 put it in the middle, and make it an easy 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.240 field goal. Okay. And then yesterday that's what he said 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.880 after the game, game at the podium, right, and then 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.040 on Monday when asked about it again, Well, actually he too. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.520 He brought it up as far as the kick, when 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.480 you're looking at it, we substituted, they substitute late the 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.000 umpire standing over the ball. I'm not using a time 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.120 out at that point in time. The play is not 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.960 going to get run. So he took the penally moved 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.360 the ball back. He's got to make that kick, and 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.280 we don't get it done. We're all feeling a whole 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.000 lot better if we make a kick, and that's part 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.320 of it, et cetera. And he said and then later 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.320 it wasn't a matter of intentionally taking a penalty. When 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.680 we ran our guys out, they get the substitute, certain 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.520 the umpire standing over the ball, it's four, it's five, 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.160 four or three seconds left on the play clock. I'm 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.480 not going to call it time out and waste the 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:25.560 time out and then half thirteen seconds. Okay. There's a 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.760 lot of coverage of this, and I don't think it's 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.440 surprising that that you read, you hear these two things 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.600 as a journalist, and you say, okay, he's contradicting himself 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.520 where he's making up a new story. I don't think 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.160 that's the case. I don't think it is either. Um. Okay, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.320 So when you when you read, if you well, there's 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.880 one problem and I'll get to that. But none of this, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.079 none of this really contradicts the idea. When he says 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.920 we took the penalty on purpose, he means we knew 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.439 we we went ahead, we knew we were about to 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.720 get a penalty, but we'd rather have that than burn 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.440 our time out. Okay. And that's reasonable because an NFL 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.280 coach should expect his kicker to make it from twenty 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.640 seven or from thirty two or from thirty four. It 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.880 should all be pretty much the same. You would think 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.240 it didn't. It wasn't because it barely missed, and it 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.959 might have been good from seven. But these two statements 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.280 don't contradict each other except for him saying that field 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.520 goal is easier back five yards. And I don't know 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.200 exactly why Bruce said that, but I don't think we 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.680 need to take that literally, is Michael. I can understand 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.199 why Jones would, and I get that, but I really 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.800 believe the story here is that he meant we knew 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.800 we were taking the peny and we didn't think there 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.600 were consequences to take the penny as opposed to wasting 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.760 the time out right, And if he makes the kick, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.800 you're not discussing this. Nobody has a problem with and 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:43.040 back they're going brilliant because you set it up properly. Yeah, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.920 I mean, any coach in the league would gladly take 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.320 a thirty four yard field goal right there and expect 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.960 to make it. And and he did too. And listen, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.240 and here's the other thing. They're not wrong. I there's 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.160 you've ever seen a win probability chart and win graphics 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.000 like during the game, based on many many other games, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.840 in situations that have happened, who's most likely to win? 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.280 You know from this point forward, and you know you're upped. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.199 When we're up twenty ten and a half, our win 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.440 probability was very high. Okay, certain players can make it 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.920 go up and down. Um. When we were lined up 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:19.199 before the the uh, the penalty, we were we had 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.439 an eighty two point two percent chance of winning that 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.959 game according to win probability chart. After taking the penalty, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.880 it dropped all the way to eighty two point zero, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.320 So that penalty costs you two two of one percent, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.400 two tenths of one percent of a chance to win 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.480 the game. It wasn't consequential. I know that the story 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.439 is consequential because these statements sound in a way contradictory. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.600 But I don't think they are, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:49.800 I don't know exactly why coach Arean said that field 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.319 goes easier back five yards and that's really why this 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.320 has become a story. Um. But he also, in that 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.439 same sentences, no sense hurrying. That's the important part. Well, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.840 the other thing, too, is Bruce and speaks, just speaks. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.199 He doesn't really have a check valve. And it's refreshing. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.200 Um when you ask a coach a question, he gives 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.760 you an answer. And now there's another side to that, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.400 because a lot of times coaches get to the point 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.160 where it doesn't matter what I say. You're going to 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.440 spend a lot of time dissecting it, and if it's 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.319 not favorable, as in with winds, then you're going to 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.360 have this. I think I think the storyline is more 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.200 if you look at this game, there were other opportunities 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.199 that that did not happen. There was a third down 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.640 that did not happen. And if you get that cam braid, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.680 if you hit that and I'm not it looked like 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.480 it was gonna work. I thought we had it. Yeah, 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.720 And I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying in this situation, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.679 you know, you have all these plays and then at 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.240 the end of the game, you sit back and say, Okay, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.880 there's three three there's all these little three players. You say, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.760 if that happened, this is you know, would have been 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.760 a win. Um, yeah, you can always do that, yes, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.280 and so so you know you look at it at 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.800 that part I think also are the red zone efficiency 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.560 was not there. It's been the biggest problem for us. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.880 We're thirty one in the league. Like touchdown. If we 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.520 were one of five in that game, one of four 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.120 in the first game, it's a it's a big problem. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.360 It needs to be fixed right away. What about that? Yes, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.600 and then and and as I just said, Bruce arians 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.120 speaks his mind, and he came out and said the 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.440 secondary was not very good, had a bad game, and 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.520 and they did some kind of bust on that big 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.880 play to Sterling Shepherd on the on the touchdown drive 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.520 that won the game. An x buck. No, that's Russell Shepherd. Shepherd. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.600 Russell Shepherd is a giant. They have a sterling shepherd 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:55.640 who made that. I got my shepherds confused. Um, it 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:01.400 was just a sheep of another clothing. Wow, I'm sorry 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.240 if I pulled the wool over your eyes. You're ramming 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.240 that in there. I didn't think you're going to join 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.520 in there. There's a close for sure. I heard what 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.600 you said. Um, for all the part of fans out there, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.240 this podcast is taken a great turn. And here's here's 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.040 here's another crazy thing. It's just the Giants luck they 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.400 want a Super Bowl and tamp on a missfield goal. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:29.320 So I mean yeah in the old sombrero, right, Yeah, Yeah, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.520 the Buffalo Bills their first of four Super Bowl losses. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.080 Sorry Bill fans, Yeah, because there's lots of Bills fans listening. Well, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.920 you never know. Um wait, did you have something you 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.560 need to get too? Because I wanted to continue with 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.160 what we're just talking about ahead. So after the Cambra play, Yeah, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.160 it was right around and maybe our thirty five yard line. Um, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.559 I don't know if you noticed, but they were, first 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.000 of all, I think they were measuring, So it took 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.640 a little while. Our offense stayed out there on the 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.080 field for a long time. It really looked like we 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.960 were contemplating going for it there and and that's not 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.960 something you're talking about. The fourth and one after the 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.160 camera after cam break got tripped up. Let me see 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.120 here it was. There was three and a half minutes 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.360 left in the game. Uh, and we were at our 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.000 own thirty one. You're not going to see a coach 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.760 go for it with a six point lead at his 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.120 own thirty one almost ever. But it really looked like 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.480 it contemplated. Jeff and actually those numbers that that people 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.720 talk about. The analytics suggest that you would have been 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.200 better off going for um. Either way. They have to 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:28.880 score a touchdown to beat you, but you're giving them 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.560 a short field. But you also might have more time 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.320 left afterwards, so you need to stop either way if 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.080 you don't get to stop. But you know the coach 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.440 would counter, well, yeah, but if we make them go 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.119 eight yards, it's a lot harder and going thirty yards. Um. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.640 And really we came one play and maybe a stunt 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.520 in the middle of the field, Dave stunted around the 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.040 side Dominicans who didn't go over the middle. If it 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.000 was a job, I don't know. And so Dan Jones 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.680 all of a sudden sees the red Sea parting from 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.640 him and run straight up. It was fourth down. We'd 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.320 stopped three plays. We might have stopped them. We had 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.240 every receiver doubled. I mean, it was that close. And 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.720 then and then he still managed to come back and 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.120 and get in position to win the game. Um. But 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.960 I don't mind him not going for it there, I 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.480 I will say. And and again second guessing is just 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.960 for the fun of it. And these coaches know what 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.400 they're doing way more than I do. But I will 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.680 say when we had before the last field goal, when 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.080 we we ran on third and two was a read zone. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.960 It was his own read option. Apparently, uh, and apparently 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.600 it was the right decision for James to hand it 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.120 off to Peyton. He didn't need to get a touchdown, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.160 just need to get two yards. We just didn't get 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.960 it blocked. Well, I would have gone for it on 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.720 fourth down there, up by three. Yeah, we kicked a 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.440 field the goal to go up by six, because I'm thinking, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.360 either way they have to get a touchdown. It doesn't 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.400 change the fact that the touchdown will beat us, whether 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.280 you're up three or you're up six. Well, I think 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.480 if it the play didn't just work, why I go again, well, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.040 don't don't run the same play. Well, I understand, but 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.720 I in fact, when I saw us run, not realizing 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.640 that was a read option, I thought, Okay, if you're 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.280 running on third down, you're clearly planning to go four 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.040 downs here. But we kicked a field goal. I'm just saying, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.680 if you score a touchdown there with six minutes left 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.040 and you're up by ten, I think you you're gonna 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.240 win the game. Um. And that's the thing that's that's 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.840 The thing with all these fourth down decisions, it's you 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.600 tend to think, probably as a coach. I don't know, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.240 I've never been one, but it's certainly as if viewer. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.960 You tend to think of, oh God, what's gonna happen 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.680 if we don't get it. That's your first thought. That's 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.600 the that's the that's what drives your decision. If we 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.960 don't get it. Here's the problem. I don't think we 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.920 think enough about if we do get it. You know, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.240 the the potential reward to me is enough to take 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.120 the risk. Maybe not in that one after Cam, when 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.400 we're at our own thirty that's awfully risky. Um. I 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.240 would have applauded if we did it, But I don't 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:43.480 know if I can pull the trigger if I was 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.600 the coach. But I I think the risk the reward 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.800 was worth. The potential reward was great enough to take 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.600 the risk on fourth down at the five yard line. Um, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.200 if you don't make it, they still have to score 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.000 touchdown to beat you. They could tie you, but they 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.560 still score touched on beat you in there at their 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.639 own five yard line. You know, I do? I do? 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:09.040 You know? But again, before you answer the caveat always is. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.080 Bruce arians and his staff have about a thousand years 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.119 of coaching guess and I had none. Yes, so I 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.639 then I don't like second guessing. I'm just saying it 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.800 wasn't in my point, this wasn't a second guess because 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.520 at the time, like I think we should go for it. Yeah, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.920 it's a discussion, it's not it's not but theoretical, yeah, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.880 and the same would go for uh, you know why 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.639 I kicked the field goal? Why not try to score 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.160 the touchdowns? I said, yeah, well that was what I'm saying. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.840 But but I'm you know, the the I'm talking about 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.520 at the very end, the very end, I know. And 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.840 as soon we were at lunch yesterday and someone said 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.159 to me, why didn't they go for a touchdown? And 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.000 we're talking risk rewar and I looked and I said, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.800 you only need three points. Yeah, and if you go 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.960 for the touchdown and uh, you know, if you're gonna pass, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.560 you know, only three things happened. Two of them are 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.320 not good, all right, if you have a fumble, what's 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.679 the first thing everybody says, But it's just you know, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.359 that's that's what makes football so much fun, is that 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.919 when the game's over with. You can talk about it 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.920 and you can dispute this that the other um. I 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.720 think that the most surprised people in the stadium were 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:25.040 the Giants. You know that they won. Yeah, your your thing. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.960 They're um about going for a touchdown. It's the same 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.960 risk reward discussion. In that case. I don't think the 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.560 reward is worth the risk because the risk is too 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.679 great because you are going to win the game with 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.720 the thirty four yard field goal. You're gonna win. Every 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.000 coach in the league will take a thirty four yard 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.199 field goal to win the game every single time. You're 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.920 gonna make that kick almost every single time. I almost 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.320 I And there's one thing about this there's something different 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.240 about this loss. There's and I can't put my finger 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.399 on it exactly, but and you feel it too. I mean, well, yeah, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:06.080 because when when, for whatever reason, it just seems like 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.520 this loss is you kind of stopped for a second, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.159 go how did that happen? You know? I feel like 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.120 we've had a number of those in recent years. Yeah, 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.240 but this one wasn't. I shouldn't have lost this game. No, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.360 But you know that's why it's sixteenness of football. Yeah, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.119 I mean, that's that's what it is. Um, you know 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.439 it's going to It's unfortunate because you know, when you 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.560 look at the schedule, you start going, Okay, we're not 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.920 going back to Raymond James Stadium until November ten. That's 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.320 that's where we're going. And yes, uh, there's a bye 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.840 weekend there, but you're coming off of a trip to 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.080 London and you know, debts, and then you're headed the 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.440