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Speaker 1: this happened? Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock at
Speaker 1: the chain, He's still the twenty He's still the twenty
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Speaker 1: Salty Dogs and greetings everyone to the Salty Dogs Podcast.
Speaker 1: Week Uh, I guess week four of the regular seasons.
Speaker 1: Damn man, you're pretty chipper after that game, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to beat. Well. I noticed to when I listen to
Speaker 1: these that the music is really loud at the beginning,
Speaker 1: So if I don't yell, you can barely hear me. Well,
Speaker 1: Mr producer, I was gonna say, I'm just burying. At
Speaker 1: some point, you're gonna have to listen to me talk
Speaker 1: because that is kind of a boat. Well, I'll lower
Speaker 1: the music even more so that you can hear Scott
Speaker 1: Smith and Okay, Jeff Ryan, we are the salty Dogs
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a thirty salty this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're feeling salty. We're gonna have darrycle Bawally and here
Speaker 1: special Teams captain uh former walk on at Wisconsin, guy
Speaker 1: who has really fought his way to where he is now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hear about I'm looking for I really
Speaker 1: have not engaged with him, so I'm looking looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. He's pretty easy to engage with. Thanks, you're
Speaker 1: gonna like him, cool dude, like all right, okay, So
Speaker 1: before we do that, let's get let's have a happy
Speaker 1: time with Darry. So let's get the lame stuff all
Speaker 1: the way first. Obviously, the Buccaneers are coming off a
Speaker 1: thirty two thirty one loss in which it would have
Speaker 1: been a win for all the things that I didn't
Speaker 1: go the way you wanted. If you make a thirty
Speaker 1: four yard field goal at the end, you win the game.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna make a thirty four yard field goal
Speaker 1: almost every time you would you would think, but you know,
Speaker 1: you have to go kind of way back and and um,
Speaker 1: I think it was your first year two playing the
Speaker 1: L A. Rams on a Sunday night. We had a
Speaker 1: big league and nothing at halftime. You know what I
Speaker 1: remember the player remember from that game is ty J Armstrong,
Speaker 1: the big tight end who was basically just a blocker,
Speaker 1: like fight to the end. That was that game, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I think that might have been ninety three, But in
Speaker 1: any case, he caught a pass down the seam and
Speaker 1: two Rams hit him, but they hit him from opposite sides.
Speaker 1: It was like equal opposite force, and so they just
Speaker 1: both kind of they canceled each other off and bounced
Speaker 1: off each other and he ran for like an eighty
Speaker 1: one year a touchdown. But they I also remember that
Speaker 1: we blew that game and lost it. It was it
Speaker 1: was like that, is that what you're saying? I remember that,
Speaker 1: And then I think the only other one would be
Speaker 1: I want to say it was oh four against the Colts. No,
Speaker 1: that was two thousand and three that I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about that game. We've talked about the game
Speaker 1: too many times, so but but I'm saying that that's
Speaker 1: that feeling. But in this particular game. I believe that
Speaker 1: the way that way it started out, you had an
Speaker 1: eighteen point lead at to half, you're you're looking at
Speaker 1: all these things and you're thinking, this is this is good,
Speaker 1: this is how this team should be. Yeah, offensive offensively,
Speaker 1: Um yeah, listen, here's a ludicrous theory. I heard this
Speaker 1: week that the Buccaneers. It was worse for the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: when Sae Kwon Barkley got hurt and left the game
Speaker 1: because we had we had formed our whole defensive game
Speaker 1: plan around stopping Sae Kwon Barkley. So when he's out, no,
Speaker 1: because the first of all, they were going to throw
Speaker 1: the ball. They were down eighteen, they were gonna throw
Speaker 1: the ball anyway, and if they had sake, when they
Speaker 1: had another good guy to throw the ball too, it
Speaker 1: was it was a ludicrous theory. And in fact, somebody said,
Speaker 1: somebody kind of threw that Bruce yesterday and he said, no,
Speaker 1: you never, you never. Don't want a great player out there.
Speaker 1: But they were going to throw the ball anyway. They're down,
Speaker 1: they're not going to run it that much that we
Speaker 1: weren't having any success, which is true. We'd already shut
Speaker 1: down the run. We an't succeeded in that part of
Speaker 1: the game plan. So it's just a matter of our
Speaker 1: secondary covering and we didn't get it done. So that's silly. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not like you go into a game and and yeah,
Speaker 1: and he said, and I agree that the number one
Speaker 1: issue was stopping especially and and make the rookie beat you.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately he did because of a misfield. And he
Speaker 1: beat you more with his legs than his army, although
Speaker 1: he had some. It was an impressive performance. And and
Speaker 1: you know, and and good for him, okay, and good
Speaker 1: for him. Um, I guess it. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: feel too charitable about it. Let's talk about the field
Speaker 1: goal sequence. We need to talk about it, okay at
Speaker 1: the end. So before we get into that, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the extra points. Yeah. And the reason why is
Speaker 1: the NFL is getting what they wanted. And that was
Speaker 1: everyone was complaining, why are you wasting time kicking an
Speaker 1: extra point? It happens all the time, and the league says, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move it back. So it's really a thirty
Speaker 1: three yard field goal, which again you should make, which
Speaker 1: you should make. However, if you look around the league,
Speaker 1: how many people are missing extra We missed too. One
Speaker 1: was blocked. The other night, the Sunday night game, there
Speaker 1: was a missed extra point and it kind of it.
Speaker 1: It made me stop for a second and say, there's
Speaker 1: no givens now, which is which is right? And so
Speaker 1: uh in that. But when you miss an extra point,
Speaker 1: it does come back and haunt you. It feels, you know,
Speaker 1: you see that happen at the beginning of the the game,
Speaker 1: and you think, man, are we going to regret that
Speaker 1: at the end? Yes, two of them though was kind
Speaker 1: of egregious, but well yeah, I mean, I mean and
Speaker 1: and and I give credit to uh um to gay.
Speaker 1: He he stood there after the game and said, it's
Speaker 1: on me. If I had made those two extra points,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be in the Somebody alerted him that the
Speaker 1: media was about to come in and said, would you
Speaker 1: like to, um, you know, go go into the train
Speaker 1: room or something and you know, and have time to
Speaker 1: compose yourself before you tech me. He said, no, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it right now. Yeah, that's that's that's pretty impression.
Speaker 1: I mean, he knows his job, he knows what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to do. He made four field goals, including a
Speaker 1: fifty two and forty seven yarder, and you know you
Speaker 1: even forget about that. I mean, you don't even think
Speaker 1: about that. He made four in a row, so you're
Speaker 1: thinking the last one, it's okay, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: So let's get to that sequence. Mike Evans catches the
Speaker 1: past four yard Yeah, and he got behind that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how a cornerback, let's you get behind him.
Speaker 1: He I didn't see the move. If he didn't, if
Speaker 1: he if he didn't have to leap a little bit
Speaker 1: to go down, I might as he would have scored. So, um,
Speaker 1: he scores. I mean he's down to the nine. The
Speaker 1: Bucks were run up and spike it because they want
Speaker 1: to save their last time out because they want to
Speaker 1: run down the clock and then call the time out
Speaker 1: and kick it. Uh, there's procedural issues. Um we sub.
Speaker 1: They sub the ref standing over the ball, the clock
Speaker 1: is taking down. We take a delay of game penalty.
Speaker 1: So now it's at the fourteen and then uh, the
Speaker 1: after that, the play is to run the ball to
Speaker 1: the other hash because they have found that Gay has
Speaker 1: if he has any issues, it's from the right. Hash
Speaker 1: pushes it, keeps it outside, so they wanted to get
Speaker 1: to the other hash, so that had lost two more yards.
Speaker 1: So now it's a thirty four yard field goal when
Speaker 1: it could have been a yard or twenty. It would
Speaker 1: have been twenty seven from the nine. Okay. After the game,
Speaker 1: Bruce has asked about that, obviously, coach arians and says,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna read these quotes because we
Speaker 1: need to talk about the disparity here. I just took
Speaker 1: it on purpose. That field goal is easier back five yards,
Speaker 1: no sense hurting. We wanted to move the ball over,
Speaker 1: put it in the middle, and make it an easy
Speaker 1: field goal. Okay. And then yesterday that's what he said
Speaker 1: after the game, game at the podium, right, and then
Speaker 1: on Monday when asked about it again, Well, actually he too.
Speaker 1: He brought it up as far as the kick, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at it, we substituted, they substitute late the
Speaker 1: umpire standing over the ball. I'm not using a time
Speaker 1: out at that point in time. The play is not
Speaker 1: going to get run. So he took the penally moved
Speaker 1: the ball back. He's got to make that kick, and
Speaker 1: we don't get it done. We're all feeling a whole
Speaker 1: lot better if we make a kick, and that's part
Speaker 1: of it, et cetera. And he said and then later
Speaker 1: it wasn't a matter of intentionally taking a penalty. When
Speaker 1: we ran our guys out, they get the substitute, certain
Speaker 1: the umpire standing over the ball, it's four, it's five,
Speaker 1: four or three seconds left on the play clock. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to call it time out and waste the
Speaker 1: time out and then half thirteen seconds. Okay. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of coverage of this, and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: surprising that that you read, you hear these two things
Speaker 1: as a journalist, and you say, okay, he's contradicting himself
Speaker 1: where he's making up a new story. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the case. I don't think it is either. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when you when you read, if you well, there's
Speaker 1: one problem and I'll get to that. But none of this,
Speaker 1: none of this really contradicts the idea. When he says
Speaker 1: we took the penalty on purpose, he means we knew
Speaker 1: we we went ahead, we knew we were about to
Speaker 1: get a penalty, but we'd rather have that than burn
Speaker 1: our time out. Okay. And that's reasonable because an NFL
Speaker 1: coach should expect his kicker to make it from twenty
Speaker 1: seven or from thirty two or from thirty four. It
Speaker 1: should all be pretty much the same. You would think
Speaker 1: it didn't. It wasn't because it barely missed, and it
Speaker 1: might have been good from seven. But these two statements
Speaker 1: don't contradict each other except for him saying that field
Speaker 1: goal is easier back five yards. And I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly why Bruce said that, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to take that literally, is Michael. I can understand
Speaker 1: why Jones would, and I get that, but I really
Speaker 1: believe the story here is that he meant we knew
Speaker 1: we were taking the peny and we didn't think there
Speaker 1: were consequences to take the penny as opposed to wasting
Speaker 1: the time out right, And if he makes the kick,
Speaker 1: you're not discussing this. Nobody has a problem with and
Speaker 1: back they're going brilliant because you set it up properly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, any coach in the league would gladly take
Speaker 1: a thirty four yard field goal right there and expect
Speaker 1: to make it. And and he did too. And listen,
Speaker 1: and here's the other thing. They're not wrong. I there's
Speaker 1: you've ever seen a win probability chart and win graphics
Speaker 1: like during the game, based on many many other games,
Speaker 1: in situations that have happened, who's most likely to win?
Speaker 1: You know from this point forward, and you know you're upped.
Speaker 1: When we're up twenty ten and a half, our win
Speaker 1: probability was very high. Okay, certain players can make it
Speaker 1: go up and down. Um. When we were lined up
Speaker 1: before the the uh, the penalty, we were we had
Speaker 1: an eighty two point two percent chance of winning that
Speaker 1: game according to win probability chart. After taking the penalty,
Speaker 1: it dropped all the way to eighty two point zero,
Speaker 1: So that penalty costs you two two of one percent,
Speaker 1: two tenths of one percent of a chance to win
Speaker 1: the game. It wasn't consequential. I know that the story
Speaker 1: is consequential because these statements sound in a way contradictory.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they are, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly why coach Arean said that field
Speaker 1: goes easier back five yards and that's really why this
Speaker 1: has become a story. Um. But he also, in that
Speaker 1: same sentences, no sense hurrying. That's the important part. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing, too, is Bruce and speaks, just speaks.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really have a check valve. And it's refreshing.
Speaker 1: Um when you ask a coach a question, he gives
Speaker 1: you an answer. And now there's another side to that,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times coaches get to the point
Speaker 1: where it doesn't matter what I say. You're going to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time dissecting it, and if it's
Speaker 1: not favorable, as in with winds, then you're going to
Speaker 1: have this. I think I think the storyline is more
Speaker 1: if you look at this game, there were other opportunities
Speaker 1: that that did not happen. There was a third down
Speaker 1: that did not happen. And if you get that cam braid,
Speaker 1: if you hit that and I'm not it looked like
Speaker 1: it was gonna work. I thought we had it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying in this situation,
Speaker 1: you know, you have all these plays and then at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, you sit back and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's three three there's all these little three players. You say,
Speaker 1: if that happened, this is you know, would have been
Speaker 1: a win. Um, yeah, you can always do that, yes,
Speaker 1: and so so you know you look at it at
Speaker 1: that part I think also are the red zone efficiency
Speaker 1: was not there. It's been the biggest problem for us.
Speaker 1: We're thirty one in the league. Like touchdown. If we
Speaker 1: were one of five in that game, one of four
Speaker 1: in the first game, it's a it's a big problem.
Speaker 1: It needs to be fixed right away. What about that? Yes,
Speaker 1: and then and and as I just said, Bruce arians
Speaker 1: speaks his mind, and he came out and said the
Speaker 1: secondary was not very good, had a bad game, and
Speaker 1: and they did some kind of bust on that big
Speaker 1: play to Sterling Shepherd on the on the touchdown drive
Speaker 1: that won the game. An x buck. No, that's Russell Shepherd. Shepherd.
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd is a giant. They have a sterling shepherd
Speaker 1: who made that. I got my shepherds confused. Um, it
Speaker 1: was just a sheep of another clothing. Wow, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if I pulled the wool over your eyes. You're ramming
Speaker 1: that in there. I didn't think you're going to join
Speaker 1: in there. There's a close for sure. I heard what
Speaker 1: you said. Um, for all the part of fans out there,
Speaker 1: this podcast is taken a great turn. And here's here's
Speaker 1: here's another crazy thing. It's just the Giants luck they
Speaker 1: want a Super Bowl and tamp on a missfield goal.
Speaker 1: So I mean yeah in the old sombrero, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills their first of four Super Bowl losses.
Speaker 1: Sorry Bill fans, Yeah, because there's lots of Bills fans listening. Well,
Speaker 1: you never know. Um wait, did you have something you
Speaker 1: need to get too? Because I wanted to continue with
Speaker 1: what we're just talking about ahead. So after the Cambra play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was right around and maybe our thirty five yard line. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed, but they were, first
Speaker 1: of all, I think they were measuring, So it took
Speaker 1: a little while. Our offense stayed out there on the
Speaker 1: field for a long time. It really looked like we
Speaker 1: were contemplating going for it there and and that's not
Speaker 1: something you're talking about. The fourth and one after the
Speaker 1: camera after cam break got tripped up. Let me see
Speaker 1: here it was. There was three and a half minutes
Speaker 1: left in the game. Uh, and we were at our
Speaker 1: own thirty one. You're not going to see a coach
Speaker 1: go for it with a six point lead at his
Speaker 1: own thirty one almost ever. But it really looked like
Speaker 1: it contemplated. Jeff and actually those numbers that that people
Speaker 1: talk about. The analytics suggest that you would have been
Speaker 1: better off going for um. Either way. They have to
Speaker 1: score a touchdown to beat you, but you're giving them
Speaker 1: a short field. But you also might have more time
Speaker 1: left afterwards, so you need to stop either way if
Speaker 1: you don't get to stop. But you know the coach
Speaker 1: would counter, well, yeah, but if we make them go
Speaker 1: eight yards, it's a lot harder and going thirty yards. Um.
Speaker 1: And really we came one play and maybe a stunt
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, Dave stunted around the
Speaker 1: side Dominicans who didn't go over the middle. If it
Speaker 1: was a job, I don't know. And so Dan Jones
Speaker 1: all of a sudden sees the red Sea parting from
Speaker 1: him and run straight up. It was fourth down. We'd
Speaker 1: stopped three plays. We might have stopped them. We had
Speaker 1: every receiver doubled. I mean, it was that close. And
Speaker 1: then and then he still managed to come back and
Speaker 1: and get in position to win the game. Um. But
Speaker 1: I don't mind him not going for it there, I
Speaker 1: I will say. And and again second guessing is just
Speaker 1: for the fun of it. And these coaches know what
Speaker 1: they're doing way more than I do. But I will
Speaker 1: say when we had before the last field goal, when
Speaker 1: we we ran on third and two was a read zone.
Speaker 1: It was his own read option. Apparently, uh, and apparently
Speaker 1: it was the right decision for James to hand it
Speaker 1: off to Peyton. He didn't need to get a touchdown,
Speaker 1: just need to get two yards. We just didn't get
Speaker 1: it blocked. Well, I would have gone for it on
Speaker 1: fourth down there, up by three. Yeah, we kicked a
Speaker 1: field the goal to go up by six, because I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: either way they have to get a touchdown. It doesn't
Speaker 1: change the fact that the touchdown will beat us, whether
Speaker 1: you're up three or you're up six. Well, I think
Speaker 1: if it the play didn't just work, why I go again, well,
Speaker 1: don't don't run the same play. Well, I understand, but
Speaker 1: I in fact, when I saw us run, not realizing
Speaker 1: that was a read option, I thought, Okay, if you're
Speaker 1: running on third down, you're clearly planning to go four
Speaker 1: downs here. But we kicked a field goal. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: if you score a touchdown there with six minutes left
Speaker 1: and you're up by ten, I think you you're gonna
Speaker 1: win the game. Um. And that's the thing that's that's
Speaker 1: The thing with all these fourth down decisions, it's you
Speaker 1: tend to think, probably as a coach. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've never been one, but it's certainly as if viewer.
Speaker 1: You tend to think of, oh God, what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: if we don't get it. That's your first thought. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the that's what drives your decision. If we
Speaker 1: don't get it. Here's the problem. I don't think we
Speaker 1: think enough about if we do get it. You know,
Speaker 1: the the potential reward to me is enough to take
Speaker 1: the risk. Maybe not in that one after Cam, when
Speaker 1: we're at our own thirty that's awfully risky. Um. I
Speaker 1: would have applauded if we did it, But I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can pull the trigger if I was
Speaker 1: the coach. But I I think the risk the reward
Speaker 1: was worth. The potential reward was great enough to take
Speaker 1: the risk on fourth down at the five yard line. Um,
Speaker 1: if you don't make it, they still have to score
Speaker 1: touchdown to beat you. They could tie you, but they
Speaker 1: still score touched on beat you in there at their
Speaker 1: own five yard line. You know, I do? I do?
Speaker 1: You know? But again, before you answer the caveat always is.
Speaker 1: Bruce arians and his staff have about a thousand years
Speaker 1: of coaching guess and I had none. Yes, so I
Speaker 1: then I don't like second guessing. I'm just saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't in my point, this wasn't a second guess because
Speaker 1: at the time, like I think we should go for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a discussion, it's not it's not but theoretical, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the same would go for uh, you know why
Speaker 1: I kicked the field goal? Why not try to score
Speaker 1: the touchdowns? I said, yeah, well that was what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But but I'm you know, the the I'm talking about
Speaker 1: at the very end, the very end, I know. And
Speaker 1: as soon we were at lunch yesterday and someone said
Speaker 1: to me, why didn't they go for a touchdown? And
Speaker 1: we're talking risk rewar and I looked and I said,
Speaker 1: you only need three points. Yeah, and if you go
Speaker 1: for the touchdown and uh, you know, if you're gonna pass,
Speaker 1: you know, only three things happened. Two of them are
Speaker 1: not good, all right, if you have a fumble, what's
Speaker 1: the first thing everybody says, But it's just you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what makes football so much fun, is that
Speaker 1: when the game's over with. You can talk about it
Speaker 1: and you can dispute this that the other um. I
Speaker 1: think that the most surprised people in the stadium were
Speaker 1: the Giants. You know that they won. Yeah, your your thing.
Speaker 1: They're um about going for a touchdown. It's the same
Speaker 1: risk reward discussion. In that case. I don't think the
Speaker 1: reward is worth the risk because the risk is too
Speaker 1: great because you are going to win the game with
Speaker 1: the thirty four yard field goal. You're gonna win. Every
Speaker 1: coach in the league will take a thirty four yard
Speaker 1: field goal to win the game every single time. You're
Speaker 1: gonna make that kick almost every single time. I almost
Speaker 1: I And there's one thing about this there's something different
Speaker 1: about this loss. There's and I can't put my finger
Speaker 1: on it exactly, but and you feel it too. I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because when when, for whatever reason, it just seems like
Speaker 1: this loss is you kind of stopped for a second,
Speaker 1: go how did that happen? You know? I feel like
Speaker 1: we've had a number of those in recent years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this one wasn't. I shouldn't have lost this game. No,
Speaker 1: But you know that's why it's sixteenness of football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what it is. Um, you know
Speaker 1: it's going to It's unfortunate because you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at the schedule, you start going, Okay, we're not
Speaker 1: going back to Raymond James Stadium until November ten. That's
Speaker 1: that's where we're going. And yes, uh, there's a bye
Speaker 1: weekend there, but you're coming off of a trip to
Speaker 1: London and you know, debts, and then you're headed the
Speaker 1: Tennessee and then Seattle. So yeah, there's two West coast
Speaker 1: trips in there too. Yeah. Well yeah, and and and
Speaker 1: it's short weeks because on Friday we had to California.
Speaker 1: We get back in probably about four in the morning
Speaker 1: on Monday, and then we're trying little things right, and
Speaker 1: then we turn around and go to New Orleans on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and then we turn around and go to London on Thursday.
Speaker 1: So you are now in short weeks from here until
Speaker 1: we get back from you know what. The great thing
Speaker 1: about that New Orleans Triple be short when we're coming back, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you love that place. Um yeah, and I think so,
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be uh maybe maybe it will
Speaker 1: be a fun stretch. I'm gonna go with that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look at it. Yeah, it's gonna be right right.
Speaker 1: But you know what, the one thing I know about
Speaker 1: the NFL is there's games you win that you didn't
Speaker 1: think you had a prayer in, and then there's games
Speaker 1: that you lose. For sure. How is that? And if
Speaker 1: you look at around the league, we're backup quarterbacks played well,
Speaker 1: uh uh? Teddy Bridgewater played well in in Seattle, which
Speaker 1: I think they damn I lost a home game there
Speaker 1: and who knows, you know, they're just that's crazy. Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen played well for the Panthers, very well. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they yeah, finally they didn't won a game. And how
Speaker 1: many Ryan Griffins Price sitting there going, Uh what am
Speaker 1: I going to get my chance? Yeah? One more thing
Speaker 1: before we get to our guests, we we have to
Speaker 1: talk about Shack Barrett. What what can you say? Eight sex,
Speaker 1: eight sex, Jeffy eight sex in three games. It's an
Speaker 1: NFL record, and he would say that that is a
Speaker 1: successful free agent signing and just so what people need
Speaker 1: to go. He is probably one of the nicest guys
Speaker 1: and humble. We had him out at the Bucks Total
Speaker 1: Access show locally in Tampa at Hooters. It would be
Speaker 1: Monday night was last night because we're recording this on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: A lot of people came out a lot of people
Speaker 1: came out, and he was so gracious, um, taking photos
Speaker 1: and signing autographs and just you know and very like,
Speaker 1: very unassuming that all of this is happening. But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta be happy for him because when he was
Speaker 1: in Denver, you know, he's only twenty six. We had
Speaker 1: him on the show, he had he he was like,
Speaker 1: I've said this already on the show. So this is
Speaker 1: not just because of the eight sex, but I love
Speaker 1: this kind of signing where you take you find a
Speaker 1: guy who has shown promise for another team, but because
Speaker 1: of what they have, he didn't necessarily get of the
Speaker 1: opportunity that maybe he deserved. And that just happens. Like
Speaker 1: Hardie Nickerson, Hardie Nickerson came here for a bigger role
Speaker 1: and and obviously it suited him. Well, it's exactly what
Speaker 1: I liked about the signing when it happened. I said
Speaker 1: it beforehand, not after all these and um, it's exactly
Speaker 1: what is happening. You're taking a guy, You're saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of promise here in this limited role.
Speaker 1: Let's see if with a bigger role that multiplies, and
Speaker 1: it certainly has and and what's happening to is something
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened, and that is the fact that guys
Speaker 1: are getting double teamed and someone's getting free. And that's
Speaker 1: always been something has to win their one on ones.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what is happening. He's got eight or nine
Speaker 1: sacks and um. I heard in Dominicans Wu said something
Speaker 1: on the sideline in this last game like, uh, you
Speaker 1: know he's getting the one of ones because our interior
Speaker 1: lines playing so well and they're getting double teamed and um,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, that's our job. That's what Sue says.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that he doesn't care. He says, this
Speaker 1: is our job and and it's but the point is
Speaker 1: you create those one of ones, but you have to
Speaker 1: win those one of the ones. And we have not
Speaker 1: been doing that with Simeon Rice. I mean, JPP and
Speaker 1: Carl did to a good amount last year, um, but
Speaker 1: overall through decades are decade or so, we haven't been.
Speaker 1: We haven't a guy that's consistently winning is one of
Speaker 1: the ones, and he sure is. And what I think
Speaker 1: was going to be fun to watch is okay. Now
Speaker 1: they've got two really strong games on him, multiple sacks
Speaker 1: and two straight games, right now are they? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: are they? What will they do? Well? You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta think about it and think about I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he lines up on the he generally lends up
Speaker 1: on the weak side. No, he doesn't. He lends up
Speaker 1: on the strong side. But the thing that I you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, It just is when you think about how
Speaker 1: many sacks and good for him because he's got bonus
Speaker 1: claws in there. And last year, last year, we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: is GPP gonna getten? Are we gonna finally have a
Speaker 1: guy a double jugit sac guy for the first time
Speaker 1: Sam Rice in two thousan five. Is he gonna get there?
Speaker 1: And he gets there? Now, Shacks almost there already three games.
Speaker 1: But but that's a that's a hard go because now
Speaker 1: you got you're sitting at eight with three and then
Speaker 1: every you know, he gets a sack of game and
Speaker 1: here he goes, oh he's slacking. He only got one
Speaker 1: sack today. So you know the fact that that that
Speaker 1: last kick missed by about five inches probably means Shack
Speaker 1: won't win his second straight defensive because they don't generally
Speaker 1: give it to guys, but he would deserve it if
Speaker 1: he would won that game. I think it was a
Speaker 1: slam duck. Not only four sacks but two force fumble
Speaker 1: and he also had another one that was rightfully called
Speaker 1: an incompletion, but it was pretty darn close to a
Speaker 1: fifth sack on a third force fumble. Yeah, so crazy
Speaker 1: good stuff. And that's that's a that's a good free agent.
Speaker 1: That's what happens. And let's see where if it continues.
Speaker 1: We find guys that way. Sometimes you find a guy
Speaker 1: by um he what didn't get drafted, His bounced around
Speaker 1: the practice squads and you bring him in to your
Speaker 1: practice squad and then he proves himself. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to a guy like that right now. And who
Speaker 1: is that going to be? Mr Dorry ogoomble Way you
Speaker 1: said that so well, it's really not as hard as
Speaker 1: it looks. I'm not even sorry. I'm sticking with Darry. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's get him in here and we'll be back in
Speaker 1: just a minute to have a nice lung chat with
Speaker 1: Mr Ogomba the Salty Dogs And we're back here on
Speaker 1: the Salty Dogs podcast, And this is everybody's favorite part
Speaker 1: the middle. Second, it's not yours. No, it is okay
Speaker 1: because I get to talk to someone else. That's Jeff
Speaker 1: Ryan throwing shade at me. I'm Scott Smiths though, and
Speaker 1: joining us now is Darry O Goomba Wally Darry. Thanks
Speaker 1: for your time, man, it's an off day for you guys.
Speaker 1: Then no problem at all. Okay. Man got a little treatment,
Speaker 1: got a little podcast, and exactly it's got a smile
Speaker 1: on his face, always, always, always, Why is that? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Man's happy, Man's blessed, very blessed. You know
Speaker 1: the way things have been working out for me, and
Speaker 1: it's hard not to smile. Really, I like it. It's
Speaker 1: a good attitude. We should find that it's too late life.
Speaker 1: It would be the smiles my wife would. So this
Speaker 1: is Team Captain, Dario gumbali Um Special Teams Captain. And
Speaker 1: when that happened and I asked you about it, I
Speaker 1: was one of the people staying around you and asked
Speaker 1: you about it. You said your teammates appreciated you know,
Speaker 1: your path to where you got here and the things
Speaker 1: that you've overcome and gotten through. So let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I gets unless it starts earlier.
Speaker 1: I know you're a walk on at Wisconsin. Is that
Speaker 1: is that the first was that where we should start? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can start. I mean how about high school? Yeah?
Speaker 1: High schools coming so so going back? So high school. UM,
Speaker 1: a soccer guy. I grew up playing soccer. My dad
Speaker 1: um had me and my sister playing soccer from I
Speaker 1: was about four years old when I first started playing soccer.
Speaker 1: And I played soccer all the way through so my
Speaker 1: sophomore year of high school. But uh, weird things started
Speaker 1: happening with the soccer team at high school that I
Speaker 1: ended up quitting. And then I started playing football when
Speaker 1: I was a junior. Um, because you know, soccer and
Speaker 1: football are different seasons. So um, that's really when I
Speaker 1: started playing football. And I was a cornerback, um, cornerback
Speaker 1: nickelback in high school. And then I was able to
Speaker 1: walk on because of the relationship my high school coach
Speaker 1: had with the uh the cornerbacks coach at Wisconsin. So
Speaker 1: then I then the story starts as the walk on
Speaker 1: walk on at Wisconsin as a cornerback. And then you
Speaker 1: became a running back, which I gotta believe that being
Speaker 1: a running back at Wisconsin is a good life. It was.
Speaker 1: It was fun to kind of joined that whole fraternity
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin and uh, it definitely was a lot more fun.
Speaker 1: I would say it's usually about five and an amazing line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a good old life. We had young guys
Speaker 1: my last couple of years at at Wisconsin, and um
Speaker 1: those guys ended up growing up and now they're all
Speaker 1: over the league now and then, um so, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we we always keep a good, good stable alignment. Did
Speaker 1: you did you watch Saturday's game? Yeah, of course, I
Speaker 1: just checked. I knew they were gonna be Michigan. I
Speaker 1: mean Michigan was overrated going there. Yeah, Wisconsin is good.
Speaker 1: We got a good team this year. I'm a big
Speaker 1: tang guy too. I love it not that I played football.
Speaker 1: Um So, then you did not get drafted and your
Speaker 1: first stop was Houston, Right, so you've been on practice
Speaker 1: squads there, Washington here, and practice squad is an awesome
Speaker 1: way for guys to eventually make it on the team,
Speaker 1: as you did, but it's not a guarantee. How did
Speaker 1: you feel that whole It took a couple of years,
Speaker 1: I mean, did did you Were you sure you're gonna
Speaker 1: be where you are now or or was it trials
Speaker 1: and tribulations. Yeah, I mean I've definitely trials and tribulations. Um.
Speaker 1: When I was with the Texans, I mean I thought
Speaker 1: I was in a good situation. I was, and um,
Speaker 1: but we ended up making changes. Then I went to
Speaker 1: to Washington and I ended up getting active for the
Speaker 1: last two games this season, which was awesome, you know,
Speaker 1: getting the chance to play play uh, playing games, and
Speaker 1: then um, then the next year comes and I'm here
Speaker 1: in the practice squad and then get at them again
Speaker 1: and get to play kick return and things like that,
Speaker 1: and um, definitely didn't you know, think it happened this quickly,
Speaker 1: you know, being on practice squad last year and I'll
Speaker 1: being being captain this year. Um, that's definitely a blessing.
Speaker 1: But it definitely was a what we're tough times, you know,
Speaker 1: being on practice squad and like you said, I'm not
Speaker 1: having that uncertainty week to week and things like that.
Speaker 1: But things have definitely been working out. How do you
Speaker 1: how do you work through that? Because in the practice
Speaker 1: squad you gotta you gotta be ready as if you're
Speaker 1: gonna play. And then on Sunday comes and they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you go sit over here. Yeah. Yeah, how hard is that?
Speaker 1: It's tough, you know, I mean, especially when when you
Speaker 1: feel that you are competing with the guys. You know,
Speaker 1: you're making plays and you feel like you you you're
Speaker 1: good enough to be out there on the field on Sundays.
Speaker 1: It's definitely tough. Um once you're Once Sunday comes, you
Speaker 1: gotta sit up in the suite with the other with
Speaker 1: the other ten guys on and watch the game. But
Speaker 1: you know, like like it's part of the part of
Speaker 1: the journey, and it was part of when you go undrafted.
Speaker 1: That's definitely a probable situation that you'll find yourself in,
Speaker 1: and you know it, it's fun still. You know, you
Speaker 1: still getting to play football through the week and you're
Speaker 1: still getting to compete, and he's still part of the
Speaker 1: team in the locker room, so all that stuff. It's
Speaker 1: easier to find the positives in it than the negative
Speaker 1: and I think that's what got me through. Does it
Speaker 1: make it sweeter now that that you're on the roster
Speaker 1: because you work so hard to get there? Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: that doesn't go I mean guys that go draft in
Speaker 1: the first round, it's still sweet. For them and say,
Speaker 1: everyone has their own journey, so I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: it seem like mine. But I definitely appreciate my story
Speaker 1: and my journey, and it's real, real awesome now being
Speaker 1: being where I'm at. So socceranted, what if you hadn't
Speaker 1: found football, what do you think you'd be doing? I
Speaker 1: talked about that my sister all the time. Who knows, man,
Speaker 1: who knows? I honestly can't guess. I'm I was an
Speaker 1: econ major in real estate minor in at Wisconsin. So
Speaker 1: if I'm not in sports, I would probably I would
Speaker 1: probably find myself doing something in that at least to
Speaker 1: start out and then maybe found a different passion. But
Speaker 1: who knows, man, it's a mood point. There's a mood point.
Speaker 1: So you you brought it up. You know, every every
Speaker 1: interview with you doesn't have to be about your sister.
Speaker 1: And we talked about that. We weren't really going to
Speaker 1: bring it up unless you brought it up. It's like
Speaker 1: we're the lawyers, and he brought he put the evidence in.
Speaker 1: Uhrique is that pronounced it? Might pronounced that? So she's
Speaker 1: in the w n B A and was obviously a
Speaker 1: superstar at order name. Um, we had Jack Sitchy in
Speaker 1: here a couple of weeks ago, and he was complaining
Speaker 1: about how it took him till he was about thirteen
Speaker 1: years old, thirteen or fourteen years old to be able
Speaker 1: to beat his basketball. You probably had similar did you have?
Speaker 1: How how are you against her basketball? Well, growing up,
Speaker 1: I was always bigger as my younger sister, and uh
Speaker 1: so I was beating her all the way up until
Speaker 1: like through high school and maybe even the first couple
Speaker 1: of years in college. But then something happened. And I
Speaker 1: don't even know if it was the talent things. She
Speaker 1: always had talent, but she just got this level of cockiness, man,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, I can't beat this. Good night.
Speaker 1: So so she beat me once and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: ain't playing it. I'm not about to lose. I can't
Speaker 1: going to lose a streak against my younger sister. So
Speaker 1: I was in so there's no more one on one.
Speaker 1: Well play horse, and she'll obviously beat me in that.
Speaker 1: But you know, she's a special special town. I love
Speaker 1: talking about it just because I mean we knew me
Speaker 1: and my family just knew it was gonna happen. We
Speaker 1: knew she had all these god given talents and and
Speaker 1: then once the hard work started coming with it, I
Speaker 1: was like, all this girls special when your mom was
Speaker 1: at the athlete to Yeah, she she's in the Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor at DePaul. She played softball at De Paul.
Speaker 1: And my dad he grew up in Nigeria, came to
Speaker 1: America in his twenties and he played soccer in Nigeria.
Speaker 1: He actually lived in England also he played rugby over there. So, um,
Speaker 1: does he does he think that you're playing a soft
Speaker 1: version of when he came to America, he actually loved
Speaker 1: football right away, like he uh, we moved to Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: He became a big Packer fan, and he like one
Speaker 1: of the first things he got, he got this big
Speaker 1: entertainment system down in our base. And that was when
Speaker 1: entertainment had the big wooden, big wooden thing that you
Speaker 1: can just see now. You don't want to see it.
Speaker 1: Back then, you wanted to see how big to speak.
Speaker 1: And so everyone come over and watch Packer games every Sunday.
Speaker 1: Um all his friends that came from Nigeria with him,
Speaker 1: they're all watching the Packer games together. And Um he
Speaker 1: learned the game of football just from watching and now
Speaker 1: he loves football. It's probably his favorite sport to watch.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in heaven the first time you're playing
Speaker 1: Oh well Tech. We played at Lambo Pil. We played
Speaker 1: against l s U when I was at so he
Speaker 1: already got to watch me. You you seem to um
Speaker 1: step up a beat when you start talking about your family.
Speaker 1: You're a pretty low key guy. You get a Nike
Speaker 1: deal and you don't say anything about it, and your
Speaker 1: sister has to tweet it out. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky. I don't, you know. I let let things
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. But my sister, she uh, like I
Speaker 1: said on the back, actually's not like that. So she
Speaker 1: definitely made sure that people knew about it. That's that's
Speaker 1: the part that people. She probably has a deal too.
Speaker 1: It was welcome to the family, so I think it
Speaker 1: was it was like I'm bragging out my brother, but
Speaker 1: I'm also twisting a little bit. That must be every
Speaker 1: parents dream to have two kids Nike deals. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you have another siblings too? Don't you have an older brother? Mario?
Speaker 1: He he played sports in high school, but he's more
Speaker 1: of our supporter now. He lives back in Milwaukee. And
Speaker 1: uh comes to every game he can come to. And
Speaker 1: yeah that Mario Mario. Yeah, that doesn't seem to flout
Speaker 1: the rest of the name. That's what we call him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did your did your dad meet your your
Speaker 1: mom here in Milwaukee. My mom she was born in
Speaker 1: California and raised in Rockford, Illinois. Oh, that's why you
Speaker 1: got that real low key style. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's where it comes from. Okay, do you know why
Speaker 1: your dad ended up in Milwaukee? So when he first
Speaker 1: came to America, like the beer that he does enjoys,
Speaker 1: but he's a highly and got Milwaukee's do a hiding.
Speaker 1: He and Guinness. I don't know what that's againness at
Speaker 1: least get tastes well. I think it doesn't taste like anything.
Speaker 1: I hope he listens to this. But now he moved
Speaker 1: to Seattle on right away. He had friends in Seattle
Speaker 1: that came from Nigeria with him, and then um, he
Speaker 1: ended up getting like a scholarship to University Milwaukee, UM
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin Milwaukee and that's what ended up. And then
Speaker 1: he became a educator and then now he's an administrator.
Speaker 1: Now he works with the superintendent in Milwaukee awesome. So
Speaker 1: your dad's an education. Yeah. I don't normally get into
Speaker 1: personal things, but that's not true. But every time it's true.
Speaker 1: He always asked about a significant Well it's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even going down that road. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking over and I see you have this tank
Speaker 1: top shirt on, and we were talking about the way over.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring it up. You know, it was him.
Speaker 1: It's a snake skin and not everyone can wear that,
Speaker 1: but I will say, you'll carry it really, really well.
Speaker 1: His teammates in the wait in the k didn't agree.
Speaker 1: But you're you're wearing it really well. But wearing that
Speaker 1: it also shows your tats. So I'm just curious, because
Speaker 1: you're wearing a A A A shirt like that, should
Speaker 1: you be able to say, oh, by the way, I
Speaker 1: do have some ink on me. Uh any significance to
Speaker 1: what you have? They all do, man, So I kind
Speaker 1: of whisker to Waring podcast so I could sew it.
Speaker 1: But now I got some of my legs, my arm,
Speaker 1: just a lot of family stuff. I have e f
Speaker 1: A means you love in my dad's language. Yo. I
Speaker 1: got my mom's name, my siblings, birthdays, um, I got
Speaker 1: a Zeus tattoo on me, Me and my brother who
Speaker 1: used to be into Greek mythology when we were younger.
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of mostly like you said, mostly
Speaker 1: family stuff, A little bit of things everywhere. Man mythology. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to. How did you get into that? I
Speaker 1: think I learned about it in school one day and
Speaker 1: I came home it was like, yo, Mario, you know
Speaker 1: who Thor and Mars? And I mean it is pretty
Speaker 1: traumatic stuff. Did you act it out? Now? He's just
Speaker 1: he's just looking up. We had just gotten the Internet
Speaker 1: at home because of my dad through a school, so
Speaker 1: we just google. I don't even know if he googled it,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, but he searched it and like yo zoos,
Speaker 1: oh is Neptune? And yeah it was cool. We just
Speaker 1: got into and got a tattooed on me. It looks
Speaker 1: it looks solid. Thanks. I appreciate. Yeah, I wish you
Speaker 1: know now. Yeah, you know, we've we've had Darry here
Speaker 1: for more time than I said we've been. We'll get here.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked. We haven't talked about bucking football. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should do that at something well, we can do
Speaker 1: that he had three catches. Uh. Last I saw the
Speaker 1: great screen passed to Ronald Jones in that game, and
Speaker 1: I tweeted something about it because the screen passes have
Speaker 1: not been this team strength for a long time, and
Speaker 1: that was a great one to say, that's probably the
Speaker 1: best one I've seen a while, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: we did have Daria wasn't the same similar play though?
Speaker 1: Well you Isn't it funny that you know, never really
Speaker 1: think about players remembering it. I forgot that that he didn't,
Speaker 1: but he brought it up, and that's it's honestly, you
Speaker 1: would think like all the games I've played and plays
Speaker 1: I've played, but I people you can bring up plays
Speaker 1: and guys always remember the specifics of It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It's really crazy. You've been kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: if you you follow fantasy football. I don't, but I
Speaker 1: did notice that you're like the sleeper pick everyone everyone
Speaker 1: you have. What I haven't noticed that people chats and
Speaker 1: they're always talking about that. I don't really like to
Speaker 1: talk about fantasy with my homies, just because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my job, let's not just be talking about your
Speaker 1: fantasy team. But you know that I did get a
Speaker 1: bunch of texts about me being added and people stashing
Speaker 1: me away and people are dying. I stopped playing fantasy
Speaker 1: and teen when I came in last after Yahoo said
Speaker 1: I had the best draft, and then I end up
Speaker 1: coming in last. It is just like all that means is, yeah,
Speaker 1: who compares where you picked guys to where they had
Speaker 1: him ranked? So exactly, it's got It'scot's big, big into it.
Speaker 1: In fact, he is competing against some fans. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. This week and the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks he's been really bragging on it heavily
Speaker 1: and he has not brought it up. So I scored
Speaker 1: a lot, but I lost and we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1: So the reason that you could be a legitimate fantasy
Speaker 1: add is because you're you're getting a lot of third
Speaker 1: down steps and um, you so you could catch passes
Speaker 1: for you know, you might run the ball as well,
Speaker 1: but probably catching passes the most likely thing, which is
Speaker 1: a great fancy because you've been a point for a
Speaker 1: catch too. Um, did you think that was your best
Speaker 1: shot at being in the offense? Was being like a
Speaker 1: third third down time back? Here? For sure? In the offense,
Speaker 1: I've got two great backs and Joe and Peyton, and
Speaker 1: those guys move the ball, you know, first and second
Speaker 1: down and then third down comes in and I can
Speaker 1: still run the ball. But my my biggest strength, I
Speaker 1: would say, is is my in thea ass in game,
Speaker 1: whether that's in protection or running route. So yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: uh kind of carved that roll out and between that
Speaker 1: and special teams that I like. Where my role is,
Speaker 1: um just making sure I continue to make plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta be able to block Irena.
Speaker 1: Is that a matter of Is that a matter of
Speaker 1: just being strong or is it more technique and knowing
Speaker 1: what's going on. It's a lot of it, But I
Speaker 1: would I would probably say the biggest thing is just
Speaker 1: having the knowledge of the defense. You know, because now
Speaker 1: once you get in the league, these defensive coordinates are
Speaker 1: real creative and guys coming from everywhere, So you gotta
Speaker 1: make sure you see the mic point and so I'm
Speaker 1: good at that, you know, I'm good at picking that up.
Speaker 1: And I would say probably starting on defense kind of
Speaker 1: helped me out, being able to recognize where the Russians
Speaker 1: are coming from, seeing the rotation of the safeties, and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So but then at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you just gotta it's got to be make
Speaker 1: sure you don't get runn over once you once you
Speaker 1: pick your guy. I don't this. We're supposed to be
Speaker 1: having fun here, so we don't want to talk a
Speaker 1: whole lot off the last game. Always funny you say
Speaker 1: that because I was sitting here and he's been it's
Speaker 1: been really going well, and I'm kind of like, do
Speaker 1: I really want Usually our guests have stormed out by Yeah,
Speaker 1: Usually usually they don't, they won't let last long. But
Speaker 1: I mean Sunday's game was it was it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was well. As someone said to me, it was
Speaker 1: a slap in the face. So where do you go
Speaker 1: from here? And you got you the team you really
Speaker 1: should be too in one for maybe even three, and
Speaker 1: oh that first game out of way a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you go from here? The same
Speaker 1: same way we did after the first game. You know,
Speaker 1: we lost one at home that we all felt we
Speaker 1: should win. We definitely felt that we were the better
Speaker 1: team and just left a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 1: But then we went to went to Caroline. We were
Speaker 1: to take care of business, so um, kind of the
Speaker 1: same thing happened last on Sunday, and then we just
Speaker 1: make sure we go out to l A and take
Speaker 1: care of business again. You know, we we know we
Speaker 1: have a good team. You know, we know you have
Speaker 1: a really good team. Obviously, our defense is playing great
Speaker 1: football and offenses showing signs of playing great football. We
Speaker 1: just got to bring it up, you know, and be
Speaker 1: more consistent, and I think I think we'll be able
Speaker 1: to do that. So but not obviously, it's sucks being
Speaker 1: one of two, especially the way we lost those two games.
Speaker 1: And but you know, we we we'll take care of
Speaker 1: business and we'll get back on the I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna play home game, No, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: fun though, you know, you like you like the home games,
Speaker 1: of course, but we're gonna get to playing some some
Speaker 1: fun stadiums and get to go to London. Then it'll
Speaker 1: be a good it'll be a good stretch of game.
Speaker 1: Have you been overseas before? Have gone? I have? You know,
Speaker 1: I have. I have family in London to which is
Speaker 1: would be cool to have come to the game, and
Speaker 1: my dad's cousins still lived there and uh no, yees,
Speaker 1: so I've I've traveled, but uh, it should be good
Speaker 1: being with the squad over there. Yeah. What I what
Speaker 1: I've noticed though, is everyone we've talked to and even
Speaker 1: after the game, everyone feels when I say everyone players,
Speaker 1: they feel like this is a good football team, and
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, we're beating ourselves rather than
Speaker 1: other teams beating us, for sure, and it's definitely frustrating
Speaker 1: when that's the case, but also real, you know, optimistic
Speaker 1: about it, because once we stopped beating ourselves, once you
Speaker 1: stop these small, you know, random errors throughout the game,
Speaker 1: you know we will be able to play some beautiful
Speaker 1: football that I think things are gonna start to start
Speaker 1: working out for us real. Well, but like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just small things where we just have
Speaker 1: lapses and games where we'll beat ourselves and we've gotta
Speaker 1: stop that. Well, let's let's we we could end it
Speaker 1: on this because I have not heard anyone ever use
Speaker 1: the adjective beautiful football. I like that. It's the beautiful game.
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful game, and this is a wonderful,
Speaker 1: beautiful podcast. Let's let's let go enjoy the rest of
Speaker 1: his day off. We appreciate your time we kept you
Speaker 1: here longer than I promise, was a good time, something
Speaker 1: like no problem, man, thank you for having me The
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs. All right, we're back here for our last
Speaker 1: segment on The Salty Dogs podcast. And uh and the
Speaker 1: music is low right, so you can hear me? Can
Speaker 1: hear me? Can you hear me? That was great with
Speaker 1: Darry I especially like especially like we're I. I always
Speaker 1: tell these guys we'll shoot for ten minutes, and usually
Speaker 1: today's a day off, but usually it's there in the
Speaker 1: middle of a schedule and they got to get to
Speaker 1: a meeting or something, and so, uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: might run a minute or too late. I look over
Speaker 1: your your stop watch there and it says eleven minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we we're already, and Dari's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's waving whatever. Proud to you notice that? Yeah? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that question when you started it.
Speaker 1: But it ended up you got a little concerned, didn't you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If if I are there guys that
Speaker 1: like to talk about their tattoos and others that don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But if you're wearing a sleeveless sleeveless
Speaker 1: shirt with a kind of low kind of low by
Speaker 1: the way, it was snake skin print. What did I
Speaker 1: say leopard? Oh? I don't know. I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember. I was trying to didn't think you actually
Speaker 1: said okay, because I was trying to decide whether there's
Speaker 1: a leopard or as look like, yeah, go with snake.
Speaker 1: Snake sounds better than than you know. He'll probably hear
Speaker 1: this podcast and make sure we know that it was snake.
Speaker 1: He may have to retire the shirt or at least
Speaker 1: just not word into work because he he look good.
Speaker 1: He carried it well, he really did. You need to
Speaker 1: get yourself on. You're gonna get one. Maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: a photo of both of us. We should get snakes
Speaker 1: the official shirt of the Salty Dogs. Yes, we'll sell
Speaker 1: him and everything. But um, great story. Yes for Dorry,
Speaker 1: great guy. You love to see those guys succeed. And
Speaker 1: he and he and he and his sister is really
Speaker 1: good at basketball. That's great. I love he played you.
Speaker 1: She beat him once. He's like, nah, I'm done. You
Speaker 1: know what. I kind of did the same thing with
Speaker 1: my son, did you. Yeah. Once he got the he
Speaker 1: could totally destroy me in basketball. Now, now, is that
Speaker 1: because he was beating you or because you're a sword loser?
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of both on there. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your steve. Once he could beat me in basketball,
Speaker 1: I just stopped playing beast. Why why would you with
Speaker 1: your friends? Yes, why would you do that? I mean
Speaker 1: what you're getting beat? Why would you contain the point? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kids try I want to beat dad because that's their goal.
Speaker 1: What's that happens? That was like? That was like video
Speaker 1: games too, you know, the we or whatever. When he
Speaker 1: was little. I never really cared that much about video games,
Speaker 1: but I played them with him. And then early on
Speaker 1: you're letting him win, and then it gets the point
Speaker 1: where you're even, and then that's kind of fun for
Speaker 1: a year or so, and then they can destroy and
Speaker 1: then and then you're tossing the wei around. All right,
Speaker 1: what do we got? All right, we got questions. You
Speaker 1: kind of knew that well, because this is that's what
Speaker 1: this is. This is alright. First notice, we call him questions.
Speaker 1: We don't say the mail bag, or we don't say
Speaker 1: you know, do you want me to call him? You
Speaker 1: already got sack o mail. Yeah. Actually that's a good
Speaker 1: point because Um, I got this question is for the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I liked it enough that I stole it. I
Speaker 1: stole and wrote about in the mail bag, but I
Speaker 1: did say I would answer talk about it here too.
Speaker 1: Um Hey, Scott and Jeff, this really is a great question. Okay,
Speaker 1: great interview with Kevin Minter. Thank you. And when you
Speaker 1: talked about having multiple months and being designated to where
Speaker 1: the green dot if Devin White went out, it led
Speaker 1: me to my next questions, why isn't Lavante designated as
Speaker 1: the backup plate called to Devon White? And for that matter,
Speaker 1: why while there are two MLB positions, are actually we
Speaker 1: call him I LBS but I know what he means.
Speaker 1: It appears that they are different. Can you explain the
Speaker 1: difference between what Devin and Kevin do versus Lavante and
Speaker 1: Dawn and I can? Can you? I can? But the
Speaker 1: first question I got to think about that I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could, I would be honest. Well, I I, well,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest too. I I had a feel about it,
Speaker 1: but I went and talked to a Scouts just to
Speaker 1: give me, just to make sure I know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. So let's start with the first part, which
Speaker 1: is why isn't Lavante the backup plate caller, And actually
Speaker 1: I think he is. It's kind of the difference between um, okay,
Speaker 1: let's say you're your your baseball team and you're, um,
Speaker 1: you have one really good short stop and you have
Speaker 1: a utility guy, and um, you have another really good
Speaker 1: short stop, maybe a triple A, and your your shortstop
Speaker 1: gets hurt. Well, to finish that game, you're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in the utility guy. But moving forward, you're gonna bring
Speaker 1: up that guy from Triple A because he's a better
Speaker 1: short stop. In the middle of the game, Devin White
Speaker 1: gets hurt or close to the beginning, your plan while
Speaker 1: the game is in flow is to bring in Kevin
Speaker 1: Minter because a he calls plays in practice, so he
Speaker 1: and he has one in the helmets, and so does Lavonte.
Speaker 1: By the way, he has one of the you get
Speaker 1: three as we talked about last week during the game
Speaker 1: and he has one, So he's your guy to keep
Speaker 1: it flowing. When you haven't prepared for, uh, Devin White
Speaker 1: being out, then Devin White, you know he's not gonna
Speaker 1: play the next week, So during that week you prepare
Speaker 1: for it. Because Lavante has called plays before. Now you
Speaker 1: practice all week with Lavonte's your play caller, and that's
Speaker 1: what you do. By the way, Lavonte had a really
Speaker 1: good game on something. Yeah, he really did. And we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about that in the beginning. It's the front
Speaker 1: was good, yeah, but but he did have a good game.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you forget how good he is, yeah until you
Speaker 1: I mean until until you watch. Yeah, he he this
Speaker 1: defense and I talked about it last way. I think
Speaker 1: it is very good for him because our front line
Speaker 1: is doing a great job of keeping the blockers off
Speaker 1: of the linebackers, so they're flying around and making plays,
Speaker 1: especially Lavonte and especially with Devin out. It's it's glaringly
Speaker 1: obviously good Lavonte. Guess um second half of that question,
Speaker 1: trying to explain our defense now with two inside linebackers,
Speaker 1: because in the fourth three we always said we had
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker Mike Kwon, a week side linebacker Lavante,
Speaker 1: and a strong side linebacker who was a number of
Speaker 1: different players and as the guy that comes out in
Speaker 1: nickel packages. Um, in this defense you call them both
Speaker 1: I lb s, but internally our coaches called him the
Speaker 1: Mike and the mo. Mike is what we used to
Speaker 1: hearing because Mike means mental him Mike. We called him
Speaker 1: the Mike in the fourth three as well. That's Devin.
Speaker 1: He's your traditional inside linebacker generally. That guy is is
Speaker 1: bigger um than your week side guy in our case,
Speaker 1: and maybe probably not as fast. What made Devin the
Speaker 1: fifth overall picking the draft is he's a great middle linebacker,
Speaker 1: but he also could probably play weak side because he's
Speaker 1: so fast and arranging and athletic. But of the two
Speaker 1: of them, he's bigger and he's your mic. He's more
Speaker 1: likely to take on blocks, and Lavante is more likely
Speaker 1: to be free um. Lavante plays the mo which is
Speaker 1: really very similar to what the will used to be.
Speaker 1: Three that got one of the guys like Shack Barrett,
Speaker 1: even though we call him an outside linebacker and we
Speaker 1: say we only have two linebackers, um, you know, to
Speaker 1: like off ball linebackers. Internally, they call him the Sam,
Speaker 1: which is what we always call it before. So it's
Speaker 1: not and this is what coaches like gets confusing. It's
Speaker 1: more it's confusing, it is it's the same. That's what
Speaker 1: a lot of our coach has been trying to say
Speaker 1: all along. I mean, Todd Bowles comes in and oh,
Speaker 1: we're switching to a three four. Yes, that's true, but
Speaker 1: really a lot of the stuff is the same, a
Speaker 1: lot of when you're in overfront. When you take it,
Speaker 1: especially when you go to Nickel, our front looks very
Speaker 1: much like it always has. So fans are trying to
Speaker 1: learn something new and they didn't know they are the new,
Speaker 1: crazy new. In fact, I was told that this defense
Speaker 1: is very similar to what we ran under a great Shiano. Uh,
Speaker 1: even though we called that a four three, And um,
Speaker 1: Lavante that's good because Lavante was fantastic. Remember that like
Speaker 1: seven sacks, five interception season that was under Ciano. And
Speaker 1: I know we don't like to talk talk about the
Speaker 1: Shiano ever very much, but Lavante was very good in
Speaker 1: that defense. Um. I think that was two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: a second year. Uh. The other thing about that is
Speaker 1: so Lavante is the week side guy. Devon, Will Golston
Speaker 1: and Shaq Barrett always play on the strong side. They
Speaker 1: traveled together, as they say, so you know, strong side
Speaker 1: means the tight ends on that side of the line.
Speaker 1: So if if the tight end, they stand there and
Speaker 1: they see where the tight end goes. And those three
Speaker 1: guys traveled together, Will Galston who's your strong side defensive end.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's the position he was drafted for under
Speaker 1: Greg Siano. It's so he's back to playing the exact
Speaker 1: position that our scouts thought he was a perfect fit for.
Speaker 1: And he is an underrated guy having a great year
Speaker 1: so far. Will so, Will Galston, Shack Barrett, and Devin
Speaker 1: White are the strong side. Lavante is always on the
Speaker 1: weak side. He's more likely. Devon is more likely to
Speaker 1: be taken on blocks, which means by the end of
Speaker 1: the year, you know, injury is notwithstanding, Lavante is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be your leading tackler. Devon would be second, or
Speaker 1: maybe a safety. See what I'm saying. Well, so, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's uh, that's so you definitely So basically, fans
Speaker 1: already know what they know. They just didn't know that
Speaker 1: they knew it. It's not that much different what Lavante
Speaker 1: is always done in just the coaches called mom linebacker
Speaker 1: m o um. Now, offensively, like the Giants defense is
Speaker 1: very similar to ours, but our offense refers to them
Speaker 1: as the mic and the jack for some reason. I
Speaker 1: don't really know why. I know it's he always here,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks always pointing, usually he's pointing out
Speaker 1: the mic line back, and it doesn't matter what the
Speaker 1: other team considers the mike. It's what based on your scouting,
Speaker 1: your goal. Okay, that's the guy we consider the mike
Speaker 1: in this play, and identifying the mike tells a lot
Speaker 1: of the other players what they're supposed to do. Understand. Um. Cool.
Speaker 1: So there's your answer, Chris. Maybe you read it, but
Speaker 1: if not, at least you're hearing it now. And if
Speaker 1: you're confused, go to Scott's melbag from last week. You
Speaker 1: can read it basically what I just say, the sact thing.
Speaker 1: And and yes, Kevin Mentor is more of a traditional
Speaker 1: middle linebacker and it's probably why he's starting while Devon's
Speaker 1: out instead of Dale Buchanan, who's a more versatile guy,
Speaker 1: not as big, and um probably would be in if
Speaker 1: Lavante was out. As we saw in the preseason, our middle,
Speaker 1: our our inside linebacker depth is surprisingly very very good
Speaker 1: because we haven't even talked about Jack Sitchy. I mean
Speaker 1: think if he got in there, he'd be yeah, okay, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: moving on all right. By the way, that was from
Speaker 1: Chris from Orange County, California. Oh well, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: out almost coming in l A will be in l
Speaker 1: A County for the first tent sance n Just so
Speaker 1: you know the difference of the counties, don't. Yeah, Orange
Speaker 1: County is south of l A County. L A County
Speaker 1: is huge, but Orange, you know, is the whole area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Orange County is is Anaheim. Um. You know for the
Speaker 1: stereotype that everybody, everybody from that area always tells you
Speaker 1: exactly how they got somewhere. I'm gonna take the I
Speaker 1: don't know what the four four down to the Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what. Let Yeah, No matter what
Speaker 1: time of day out there, it is traffic. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have cypress out there. Um, just there's a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, there is a little different because usually
Speaker 1: when you when you know southern California, they're very proud.
Speaker 1: So if you're in Orange County, that's how they identify themselves.
Speaker 1: Kind of like here, when you say where are you from,
Speaker 1: Penellas County, Hillsboro County, Pasco? I usually just say Tampa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're in Hillsboro County. You know, I'm in Carroll Wood. Yes,
Speaker 1: the land of every chain restaurant you could never want. Right.
Speaker 1: Next questions greeting salty ones. Just a real quick question here, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: quick to answer that. Yeah, who has surprised you so
Speaker 1: far this season on the Bucks? I know we're only
Speaker 1: a few games in, but is there a player or
Speaker 1: a couple of players who have done much better or
Speaker 1: worse than you expected? If you did, thanks for answering.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a little, a little different twist, if
Speaker 1: you did. If you did, Dylan B. I don't know,
Speaker 1: last name with held, apparently from Orlando. Uh, well, of course,
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett. You're right with that, and expected the disappointment
Speaker 1: would be gay in the last game, in the last game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I have not been. I've been a
Speaker 1: little disappointed that we can't get anything going on punt returns,
Speaker 1: kick returns, whatever, they it's a touchback every time. But
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not a subject with me, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm not pointing fingers because I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it could be that our blockers aren't given
Speaker 1: them the chance. It could be the bob boy isn't
Speaker 1: making the most of his opportunity. The only thing I've noticed,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing in college ball, you can stop
Speaker 1: and you can bob and weave and juke and you
Speaker 1: can get around somebody. You can't do that in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So you just need to hit it. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what is he getting anything to hit? I mean,
Speaker 1: Coach Arians did say that the we didn't do a
Speaker 1: good job my gunners unless Yeah, they're coming down pretty quick,
Speaker 1: but you just got to take off. You can't. You
Speaker 1: can't just juke. And if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at the tape, that's what I say. Yeah, maybe he
Speaker 1: hasn't had an up. I don't know what, but but
Speaker 1: maybe some of both. But yeah, I thought we could
Speaker 1: get more of us. Yes, I do too. I I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I'm not saying touchdowns ye, Jerry
Speaker 1: down an a thirty yarder, Yeah, just in the position, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would say, And shack was the obvious answer. Um,
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessary sure. This is so much a
Speaker 1: surprise as it's going even better than I would have thought.
Speaker 1: Coach thought Arians thought we would be really hard to
Speaker 1: run on with Vitava and Sue Um and that has
Speaker 1: proven true. But also because of Will Golston is having
Speaker 1: a great year. So the Golston veya Sue combination it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like anybody can run the ball up the
Speaker 1: middle of us. If if everybody performs at the same time,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a really fun ride. And
Speaker 1: that's going to be the key, whether that Cochea. The
Speaker 1: front was really good, but the secondary is bad, and
Speaker 1: then special teams hurt you. So if if you if
Speaker 1: if at all, and that's what you know in fairness,
Speaker 1: that's what good teams do. They all come together. We
Speaker 1: have to prove that. We have to prove yes, all right,
Speaker 1: one more, all right, it's not actually a question, all right,
Speaker 1: it's a statement. Hey, Scott podcasts or even better this season,
Speaker 1: especially after a win. Thank you. This is from That's
Speaker 1: good because that means we're improving after each one. You're
Speaker 1: going up every day. You gotta get better. You can't
Speaker 1: you can't stand still. This is from again a listening
Speaker 1: Bobby Muster. We've we've had questions from before, all right.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes he says Robert, sometimes he says to us,
Speaker 1: but to honor, no no Anna Ronnie Barber's introduction into
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor. I cut together a video of
Speaker 1: his historic interception in the two thousand two NFC Championship game,
Speaker 1: which was the last hed to ever be scored in
Speaker 1: the VET before it was demolished. I hope you enjoyed,
Speaker 1: go Bucks And there was a link and I did
Speaker 1: watch it. It was great. So it's like, uh, he
Speaker 1: cut in a lot of things, Like my favorite part was, um,
Speaker 1: the shots, the dejected fans, fans, It's just there's nothing
Speaker 1: better than that because that place just you just sucked,
Speaker 1: just got real quiet. Nobody was even yelling or screaming.
Speaker 1: They were just just staying there looking dejected. And he's
Speaker 1: got like five or six different spots where he's got fans.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. You know, we us look at how many
Speaker 1: times we played at the VET and just lost. It
Speaker 1: was just place. It was a dumpy stadium and just
Speaker 1: everything and it's usually cold, just you know. Well, and
Speaker 1: then there's also a part where somebody says we shut
Speaker 1: down the VET. He's got a player say, I don't
Speaker 1: remember which one it was, and then he cuts to
Speaker 1: a shot of the VET being demolished. Everybody, Well, the
Speaker 1: best thing is is you shut down the VET with
Speaker 1: a loss, and the first game and Lincoln Financial Stadium,
Speaker 1: you you knocked them out too. So and then there
Speaker 1: was another part. He's got Ran Day in there. Um,
Speaker 1: and you've heard this before. He said something like Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: my ass, I'm going to San Diego something like that.
Speaker 1: You forget that. He he was salty about not only
Speaker 1: him but also Brian Kelly, who led the NFL interceptions
Speaker 1: with eight that year, didn't make the Pro Bowl. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. Every time Ron Day talks
Speaker 1: about going into the Ring of Honor, he always brings
Speaker 1: up Brian Kelly. Yeah, Brank has one of the more
Speaker 1: underrated players we've had, but a Ring of Honor, I'm
Speaker 1: not percent sure, but definitely not underrated guy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good guy too. Yeah, I got a good guy.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if he was back for this. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys were, Um, I didn't everybody. I was
Speaker 1: down in the reception, but I had responsibilities to do
Speaker 1: so I do in any case. I've talked to him
Speaker 1: in the years since one time, and yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's doing really well. I think he got into the
Speaker 1: film industry, at least at the time I was talking
Speaker 1: to him. That's all I got. Jeff, Well, that's good.
Speaker 1: We've This is a long one, isn't it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little longer, but you know it's we're just airing
Speaker 1: it out so to being right right, so I feel
Speaker 1: better grievances and then, uh, isn't that part of um
Speaker 1: the Seinfeld They made up a holiday? Which one the
Speaker 1: Christmas holiday? Yeah? It was? It was? It was? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a pole instead of a tree. I can't think.
Speaker 1: I can't think of everyway, but I think people are screaming. Guy,
Speaker 1: how dumb can you guys be? I can't wait, seriously,
Speaker 1: just pause for a second. We can always cut out
Speaker 1: this pause pod, so I'm going to do. It's just
Speaker 1: just what you can look it up? Yeah, what what
Speaker 1: was it? Google? I'm going to google google it real quick.
Speaker 1: I may not cut this out, um, because fans love
Speaker 1: listening to two guys on their phone. Well, it's one
Speaker 1: of those you guys on their podcast, but they're laughing
Speaker 1: because they're screaming, going screaming, think of something. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to sign something. Festivus Festivus. We didn't even like,
Speaker 1: don't he trying to look it up? Okay? I didn't
Speaker 1: even look at George's dad made yes, Okay, I thank
Speaker 1: I feel so much better. Whether or not this makes
Speaker 1: in the final gun, we'll say, hey, it's going to
Speaker 1: a right, Jeff take it away, all right, since you did,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.