Speaker 1: Yeah, Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowits.
Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambau
Speaker 1: Field West. It is week three of O T as
Speaker 1: the final week of O T A S for the
Speaker 1: Packers before they transition to the mandatory minicamp next week,
Speaker 1: which is what will conclude the off season program. But
Speaker 1: we have an injury to talk about, and it's actually
Speaker 1: not to a player. It is to new head coach
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur. Apparently a basketball mishap of swords resulted in
Speaker 1: a blown achilles tendon and the new head coach had
Speaker 1: surgery on Sunday. And I guess we'll see this means
Speaker 1: he's going to be cruising around on a golf card
Speaker 1: on the practice field to see his players and communicate.
Speaker 1: I don't know, We'll have to see how this unfolds.
Speaker 1: But um, but the new head coach got a bit
Speaker 1: by the injury bug this spring. So I obviously was
Speaker 1: not a collegiate or professional athlete at any point in
Speaker 1: my lifetime. I did play in the city league here
Speaker 1: in Green Bay for basketball for three years though, And
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, Michael, every single time I
Speaker 1: walked into that gymnasium, whether it was Green Bay Southwest
Speaker 1: or Franklin Middle School, I always thought to myself, I
Speaker 1: just want to walk out with all my tendons and tact,
Speaker 1: all my legaments intact. I succeeded at that, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: for Matt Lafloor, not so lucky. A knockout game. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I ever played knockout. I wasn't
Speaker 1: quick enough to play it. Uh, And that that certainly
Speaker 1: did it. Walking around with a boot throw out throughout
Speaker 1: the opening pitch at the Soft Charity softball game on Saturday,
Speaker 1: A real trooper pushing through that. And now for the
Speaker 1: time being, now post stop surgery is gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: be a little encumber here for the next couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and months. Yeah, I guess we'll see, Uh, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. But a coach who likes to be
Speaker 1: obviously highly involved in practice A kind of feel like
Speaker 1: he's almost that the doctors are going to have to
Speaker 1: have to chain him down like an animal or something,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna want to do more than he's really
Speaker 1: allowed to do. And you know he'll be post surgery
Speaker 1: this week. He needs to let the thing hell and
Speaker 1: and get himself better. But you know he's going to
Speaker 1: be eager and want to be up and running around.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a much better mood today. At the
Speaker 1: end of last week, I was really stewing because I
Speaker 1: was getting these questions and inbox like does this mean
Speaker 1: the practices are gonna go longer? Yeah? Is this gonna
Speaker 1: How is this gonna affect the preparation of the football team?
Speaker 1: And I was getting so annoyed. He might have sensed
Speaker 1: it in Saturday's inbox where it was just like, you
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. They've been playing this game for
Speaker 1: a century now. Not every coach has to throw to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. They've got plus assistant coaches on the staff.
Speaker 1: These things can be handled well. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I wrote an inbox too, I can guarantee you I'm
Speaker 1: not going to name names. There has been much more
Speaker 1: important health issues that have happened with the Packers coaching
Speaker 1: staff over the last ten years. Then a ruptured achilles
Speaker 1: tended it never bubbled to the surface. So for Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit more challenging. It's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna make him have to alter his coaching style
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I have pretty good confidence he's
Speaker 1: still gonna be able to lead practices without having to
Speaker 1: throw a football. Yeah, I think he'll be okay in
Speaker 1: that respect. Turning our attention to the players and the
Speaker 1: guys in the locker room. Um story that I posted
Speaker 1: late last week on the website, just taking a real overview,
Speaker 1: bird's eye view, so to speak, of this revamped outside
Speaker 1: linebacker corps for the Green Bay Packers. A few of
Speaker 1: them talked last week after the open practice, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting less I'm trying try to paint a picture here
Speaker 1: for the fans, those who know something about the Packers
Speaker 1: locker room. It's in the shape of a football, and
Speaker 1: so if you picture it, at one end of what
Speaker 1: would be sort of like one of the semi pointed
Speaker 1: ends of the football is where the majority of the
Speaker 1: outside linebackers are. And it just so happens that the
Speaker 1: top four outside linebackers right now on this team have
Speaker 1: their lockers all right next to each other. So you
Speaker 1: look up at the name plates and it goes Smith, Gary,
Speaker 1: Smith and fact Girl like right in a row. It's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, kind of cool the way it worked out.
Speaker 1: But but the other thing I want to point out
Speaker 1: with regards to this is that it's not an accident
Speaker 1: that Rashan Gary, the first round draft pick at number
Speaker 1: twelve overall, that they placed his locker right in between
Speaker 1: Preston Smith and Zadarius Smith, the two guys who are now,
Speaker 1: yes they're new to Green Bay, but they are the
Speaker 1: veterans at the position there in their fifth year in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They have the most accomplished resumes in this league.
Speaker 1: Kyler Facl right behind them. So the rookie is right
Speaker 1: in between those two guys, and boy, if he's got
Speaker 1: any questions, he's got plenty of ears that are willing
Speaker 1: to listen and take in what he has to say.
Speaker 1: And each of these guys are going to be their
Speaker 1: own football players. I don't want to paint it as
Speaker 1: you know, Rashan Gary is going to be a prototype
Speaker 1: of Zadarius or anything like that, But I just think
Speaker 1: about the amount of knowledge in the backs, the background
Speaker 1: that you know, Smith has in this offense now, in
Speaker 1: what he's going to be able to relay to Gary
Speaker 1: because I think when you when you really break it down,
Speaker 1: Michael Preston Smith is a really important piece. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a player that's gonna play a lot for them
Speaker 1: this season, a good track record with durability. Kyler Facra
Speaker 1: came on last year ten and a half sacks, But
Speaker 1: Sadarius is the guy. Sadarius Smith that is, is the
Speaker 1: guy that was the first signing right, the one that
Speaker 1: drew the headlines. And Rashan Gary is the first round
Speaker 1: pick twelfth overall, that's the future of this defense, not
Speaker 1: only just in terms of what they bring to the
Speaker 1: table athletically, but the way that they're going to use
Speaker 1: these guys. So seeing those two build off each other,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really important. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: important in two thousand nineteen. It's gonna be portant moving forward.
Speaker 1: And the thing I like the most out of all
Speaker 1: my years covering this team, there's just so many different
Speaker 1: facets to that pass rush. Now when you look at
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark inside, the way Dean Lowry's mon Mike Daniels
Speaker 1: coming back from injury, and then this plethora of outside
Speaker 1: backers that brings so many different skill sets in strength
Speaker 1: to the table. Jayer Alexander mentioned this a little bit.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Jayre talking to the media saying,
Speaker 1: you know, those guys are gonna get after it there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent up there. It's gonna open
Speaker 1: up things for us on the back end as well.
Speaker 1: So seeing how those two areas play off each other,
Speaker 1: the pass rush, trying to get more takeaways, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun to watch. Yeah. And one thing I want
Speaker 1: to clarify a little bit or maybe differentiate uh this
Speaker 1: year compared to last year and in season's past, we're
Speaker 1: hearing a lot of the talk about versatility with these
Speaker 1: outside linebackers, that they can line up on the edge,
Speaker 1: they can also kick inside and attack as a pass
Speaker 1: rusher from the interior. We heard a lot about that
Speaker 1: over the last several years as well. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean this. I don't want anybody to take me the
Speaker 1: wrong way here. This is not a criticism of Clay Matthews,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to use him as an example here.
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews was two pounds off the ball, you know, so,
Speaker 1: but you take a look at this now, Preston Smith
Speaker 1: is t sixt Zadarius Smith is two seventy two where
Speaker 1: Shawn Gary is to seventy seven. You kick those guys inside,
Speaker 1: they're a little bit more equipped physically to take on
Speaker 1: the guards and the centers when it comes to providing
Speaker 1: that interior rush. The Packers like to move Matthews around
Speaker 1: a lot because they didn't want an offense to just
Speaker 1: zero in on Okay, Clay Matthews is lining up here
Speaker 1: every play, and if we want to do a chip
Speaker 1: with a tight end or a running back or a
Speaker 1: double team of some kind, like they knew where he
Speaker 1: was going to be, the Packers wanted to move him around.
Speaker 1: But I think the body types the Packers have now
Speaker 1: at this outside linebacker spot that they brought in lends
Speaker 1: itself to a little bit more effectiveness with the versatility
Speaker 1: in terms of if a guy is gonna be one
Speaker 1: on one with a guard, Yeah, having an extra ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen or twenty pounds, it's gonna make a difference.
Speaker 1: In Kyler factrol for that matter. At two forty five,
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have to kick inside to to add
Speaker 1: to this verse utility thing, but he can stay on
Speaker 1: the edge where he is the best when he rotates
Speaker 1: in and let those other bigger guys go inside if
Speaker 1: Mike Petton wants. It's a great point you bring up,
Speaker 1: because and I don't want to make any comparisons between
Speaker 1: Kyler Facral and Matthews. Matthews was his own player, but
Speaker 1: but Facral has more of that skill set in terms
Speaker 1: of the athleticism at the position. That's why the Packers
Speaker 1: drafted him. Yeah, they wanted him to be a really
Speaker 1: good solid member that rotation as a pass rusher. But
Speaker 1: you heard Mike Smith talk about as well. He's also
Speaker 1: their best zone dropping guy. He's a guy that can
Speaker 1: move around at that second level like Matthews did. The
Speaker 1: difference with these guys is it's in the trenches. It's
Speaker 1: in a three point stance, to be perfectly honest with you, Mike,
Speaker 1: and all my years covering the team, I felt like
Speaker 1: they had one guy that did that very well, and
Speaker 1: it was Julius Peppers. Otherwise, yeah, you had Mike Neil
Speaker 1: do it a little bit. They tried it with Nick Perry.
Speaker 1: The only one that I thought was truly like a
Speaker 1: big difference maker at that spot was Peppers and what
Speaker 1: he was able to do and I think the stats
Speaker 1: bear that out. What's exciting about Perkins and also in
Speaker 1: this Perkins excuse me, wow, Gary, I don't want to
Speaker 1: thinking Perkins. And also what Smith is that those guys
Speaker 1: can move inside and they can still be at home.
Speaker 1: And I think that's gonna be a big thing for
Speaker 1: what Mike Pett wants to do with this defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too, And I'm really interested to see
Speaker 1: how this shakes out because when you look at the
Speaker 1: depth of the unit, and we'll see beyond these top four,
Speaker 1: where you have Reggie Gilbert, you have Kendall Donnerson, you know,
Speaker 1: you have a couple of undrafted rookies that were brought
Speaker 1: that were brought in and we'll see how that shakes out.
Speaker 1: But when you look at these top four, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different ways you can go with it. You
Speaker 1: can have Smith and Smith and then if your number
Speaker 1: two set or your number two pair is Gary and Factul,
Speaker 1: you have a bit of a rotation there. Or you
Speaker 1: can have three of those guys or maybe even all
Speaker 1: four of them on the field at once in a
Speaker 1: certain package. As I said, because the body types lend
Speaker 1: themselves to a little bit more of the shifting around.
Speaker 1: So that's where I think all the talk about versatility,
Speaker 1: it's it's not just a word, it's a word that
Speaker 1: we hear a lot. I think the application of it
Speaker 1: is going to look very different this year and hopefully
Speaker 1: more effective this year than perhaps what we've seen in
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, and you have to cross your you know,
Speaker 1: your fingers a little bit that you can get through
Speaker 1: the offseason program and training camp without injuries to actually
Speaker 1: see that come to fruition. Yeah, you want to see
Speaker 1: these guys stay healthy because I mean, how many times
Speaker 1: and we talk about it, I'd be great to see
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers both rushing from the inside
Speaker 1: for from the outside. Very rarely didn't end up working
Speaker 1: out that way over the three years with Matthews moving
Speaker 1: inside back or for a year and a half of it.
Speaker 1: So again, there are gonna be so many different things
Speaker 1: that play into that. But as I was talking about
Speaker 1: last week with Brian Goodakin someone the interviews I did
Speaker 1: with them, if you're able to actually do that, the
Speaker 1: waves of pass rushers that you can send at teams
Speaker 1: with the crescendo being third down dime packages and potentially
Speaker 1: having all four of them on the field. That's that's
Speaker 1: how it's drawn up right now, with with with what
Speaker 1: the Packers want to achieve. Yeah, and as I like
Speaker 1: to say, one sack in the worth quarters worth two
Speaker 1: in the first quarter. It really, it really can be
Speaker 1: in this league. And it sounds like the thing is too,
Speaker 1: is that it's not even just about what the impact
Speaker 1: of that play but the position that players have to
Speaker 1: put themselves in to still be able to bring it
Speaker 1: that way in the fourth quarter as well late in
Speaker 1: the game. You've been out. You know, the game has
Speaker 1: been going on for two and a half, two and
Speaker 1: three quarter hours, and you got to make a play
Speaker 1: defensively when the game is online. You want those pass
Speaker 1: rushers to have some juice. They need something in their
Speaker 1: legs for the finishing kick. Yeah, alright, West, The green
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, here's another player who
Speaker 1: spoke to the media after last week's open practice. Had
Speaker 1: some interesting comments to deliver. And I'm talking about second
Speaker 1: year cornerback Jaiyear Alexander. And strictly from a demeanor standpoint,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. This is a guy who's after practice. Boy,
Speaker 1: he was all business. All business. Yeah, a very straight
Speaker 1: laced probably the most serious I've ever seen Jaire Alexander,
Speaker 1: because usually you know he's he's fun. He still was fun,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's he's very just just confident and
Speaker 1: just just sort of like takes everything and relaxed luson relaxed.
Speaker 1: It just looked to me like a guy that he
Speaker 1: knows what he did last year p f W. A
Speaker 1: all rookie team member, certainly you know, a team later
Speaker 1: even though he was only two years old, and now
Speaker 1: he wants to make that next step. He didn't talk
Speaker 1: for long, but I thought the words that he said
Speaker 1: were power full. Yeah, you know, he looks at he
Speaker 1: wants to be a pro bowler. He wants to be
Speaker 1: an all pro. He looks at last year is a
Speaker 1: good starting point for him, but as he said, now
Speaker 1: he wants to put his stamp on it. He also
Speaker 1: had a phrase of saying that this is his dog year.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that means, but it sounds
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And the fact that you look at the
Speaker 1: way that this defense is structured right now, this young man,
Speaker 1: with the impact he was able to make moving around
Speaker 1: as much as he had to last year, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons to be excited about Jarey Alexander. And
Speaker 1: I think from a mental standpoint, it's only June right now.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that have to happen between now
Speaker 1: in that first game against the Bears on September five.
Speaker 1: But I just think that this is a guy with
Speaker 1: that is just primed to achieve those goals. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really like the the attitude, the approach that we're
Speaker 1: seeing and hearing from a guy like Year. As you said,
Speaker 1: he makes the All Rookie team, but you know, certainly
Speaker 1: not satisfied with that by any means he's got. He's
Speaker 1: got much larger, loftier goals for himself. I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on the show before. Earlier spring, I did
Speaker 1: interviews with both Alexander and Kevin King for a feature
Speaker 1: story I'm working on for the Packers yearbook about them
Speaker 1: being the two young you know, one to punch at
Speaker 1: at cornerback and how unfortunately they weren't on the field
Speaker 1: together all that much last year because both were dealing
Speaker 1: with injuries at different times. But one thing that stood
Speaker 1: out to me in the interview that I had with
Speaker 1: Jayar I asked him about that game out in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles against the Rams when he had the five deflecting
Speaker 1: passes um five broken up passes in that game, which
Speaker 1: is probably the one game of his rookie year that
Speaker 1: sticks out in your mind the most as far as
Speaker 1: a complete and total perform other than that interception that
Speaker 1: ended up getting called. Well, yeah, the interception that didn't count.
Speaker 1: We talked about that one too, and yeah, But the
Speaker 1: thing that I really liked and that was interesting to
Speaker 1: me when I asked him about that game is almost
Speaker 1: the first thing that was out of his mouth is that, hey,
Speaker 1: if I can get my hands on the ball five times,
Speaker 1: I gotta get one or two picks out of it.
Speaker 1: Like he's looking back at that game and saying, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: great performance, And everybody was talking about it for a
Speaker 1: long time and everything, but to him, it still wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough, because, as he said, get your hands on
Speaker 1: the ball a handful of times, he wants to have
Speaker 1: one or two turnovers out of that. That's the next
Speaker 1: step that he wants to take. Yeah. And as he
Speaker 1: mentioned too, as I talked about in our last segment,
Speaker 1: the pass rush and and the amount of bodies that
Speaker 1: the Packers have right now, if you can keep those healthy,
Speaker 1: he thinks that's going to help them on the back end,
Speaker 1: you know, shorten up that play clock, forcing the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to make errors, and then if the ball is in
Speaker 1: the vicinity, going up and getting it. The thing I
Speaker 1: really like about Alexander though, in terms of his skill set,
Speaker 1: we saw it so far in the offseason program. He's
Speaker 1: been lining up a lot outside, seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: Davante Adams in practice. I really like the idea of
Speaker 1: keeping him out there and and having Kevin King on
Speaker 1: the other side, And then when you get into situations
Speaker 1: when you want to trail guys, when you want to
Speaker 1: you know, shadow them, then you start moving Alexander around.
Speaker 1: He can play the slot. He probably can be an
Speaker 1: All Pro player in the slot if you want him there.
Speaker 1: But I just think there's a real value and having
Speaker 1: a guy that doesn't appear like there's really a let
Speaker 1: up at either position, you know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: Mary's Randall had a lot of skill in the slot,
Speaker 1: and I think but it was it was a better
Speaker 1: spot for him than when he was on the boundary.
Speaker 1: In some ways. It was similar with like Micah Hyde, right,
Speaker 1: but with Alexander, it just feels like, whether he's in
Speaker 1: the slot or he's outside, he's the best cornerback on
Speaker 1: the field. He's the best player, one of the best
Speaker 1: players on the field. And then with having King and
Speaker 1: six three and four four you're going to write about
Speaker 1: in your story, but I asked him to and he
Speaker 1: gave a really quick answer, but it was truthful, and
Speaker 1: that what does King give you when he's healthy and
Speaker 1: on the field to shut down cornerbacks? And if you
Speaker 1: ask any head coach and he defensive coordinator in the league.
Speaker 1: That's what you want. Yeah, And I think and I
Speaker 1: think what I like the best about them as a
Speaker 1: pair is the two different physical body types. Kevin King
Speaker 1: and JayR Alexander can probably you put him in a
Speaker 1: forty year dash and it's a photo finish. But Kevin
Speaker 1: King is the sixth at three and Jaire Alexander is
Speaker 1: is the shorter but quicker and shiftier in the short
Speaker 1: area type of thing. From a defensive coordinator's perspective, Mike
Speaker 1: Petton really likes almost in almost in the way that
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur was talking about wide receivers last week and
Speaker 1: in that discussion about you know, having different areas of
Speaker 1: expertise so that you can look for certain matchups. Defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators want to do that too, They want to match
Speaker 1: up certain guys on certain guys. And yeah, it'd be
Speaker 1: great if you can have, if you could have a
Speaker 1: whole stable of six ft three, six ft four cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: but they're pretty rare. You're not gonna you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have three or four of them on the same team.
Speaker 1: You have to have that coordination, yea. Yeah, So having
Speaker 1: having those different body types. Again, it just gives Mike
Speaker 1: Petton more options in terms of looks at the receiving
Speaker 1: core of the opponent. Okay, how do we want to
Speaker 1: match these guys up? I think from my discussion with them,
Speaker 1: I think Alexander and King are going to argue a
Speaker 1: little bit over who should get the number one guy
Speaker 1: because they both have that competitive mentality. That's really gonna
Speaker 1: be up to Mike pett and I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a matchup issue based on physical characteristics in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways totally, and it's something will probably
Speaker 1: get set a little bit in training camp if King
Speaker 1: is able to stay out there and put you know,
Speaker 1: some of those soft muscle injuries behind him into some regard.
Speaker 1: The same thing with King, he I should say, with
Speaker 1: Alexander had to battle through some groin injuries. But the
Speaker 1: thing I that really stood out to me with well,
Speaker 1: how much we saw Alexander last year. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you feel differently about this, but maybe Trumon Williams
Speaker 1: and his prime, But I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: anyone that's played that position that is able to stay
Speaker 1: step for step, not necessarily with the receiver down the
Speaker 1: sideline on a go route, but when they get that break. Uh.
Speaker 1: Alexander was like glue on receivers last year that if
Speaker 1: you know, if they do a quick out or they
Speaker 1: do an out and in, he's able to stay stride
Speaker 1: for stride and contest those catches. That's special because a
Speaker 1: lot of times what happens, you gotta play your certain leverage.
Speaker 1: You've got to know where you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: to get to. Alexander actually seems to have the quickness
Speaker 1: that if there is an error, he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to make up for it. Not just going down
Speaker 1: the sideline to catch up to a football, but when
Speaker 1: the ball is there, it's on a diamond, it's a
Speaker 1: seven yard or out route trying to get a first down,
Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to put himself in
Speaker 1: the position to get the ball. Yeah, he's got a
Speaker 1: He's got a unique skill set in that regard because
Speaker 1: because of that quickness, he plays bigger than the five
Speaker 1: nine or whatever it is that he that he's listed at.
Speaker 1: He doesn't play like a five nine cornerback that teams
Speaker 1: will look at and say, oh, well that's a matchup
Speaker 1: we can go after they have to be careful. If
Speaker 1: you put yourself in the vicinity of the football, it
Speaker 1: does not matter how big you are, how tall you are,
Speaker 1: It matters on what you can do in that instance.
Speaker 1: And I just think that that's the impressive thing about
Speaker 1: Alexander and hopefully now if you can get if you
Speaker 1: can get Kevin Kane back on the field and healthy.
Speaker 1: We saw some of those traits too, especially during his
Speaker 1: rookie season. All right, well, it's about time for us
Speaker 1: to get out to another o T A practice and
Speaker 1: with that we will call it a wrap on this
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