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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. George Norri with you. Mark Dice with

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Speaker 1: us for the next couple hours. His latest work, The

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Speaker 1: True Story of Fake News. The rest of the title

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Speaker 1: is important How mainstream media manipulates millions now. Mark is

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Speaker 1: an author media analyst. He specializes in exposing secret societies

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Speaker 1: and the power of mainstream media and celebrities have on

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Speaker 1: shaping our culture. In our lives is YouTube channel has

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Speaker 1: received more than a hundred million views. He's been featured

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Speaker 1: on a variety of television shows like Our Ancient Aliens,

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Theory with the Jesse Ventura, and Secret Societies of Hollywood. Mark,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. It's always good to have you on the show,

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Speaker 1: Always good to be with you. Certainly is a strange, exciting,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes scary time to be alive. Tonight's topic is

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Speaker 1: certainly fitting for our current climate in the country. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at some past historical events of fake news,

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Speaker 1: but give us the perspective mark of the definition of

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Speaker 1: what fake news is. You know, fake news it has

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Speaker 1: been around for hundreds of years. Will get into some

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Speaker 1: of the earlier examples. It was called different things. It

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Speaker 1: was called propaganda, called a hoax, called even conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: But as we all unfortunately no now, immediately after the election,

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Speaker 1: the term was sort of coined and propelled to the

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Speaker 1: consciousness of everybody in the country, and it sort of

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Speaker 1: took got a whole new meaning. As really an example

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Speaker 1: of that the ultimate goal I think of this whole

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Speaker 1: hysteria not to say that there isn't a problem with

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Speaker 1: fake news. Now that we're all connected through Facebook and

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Speaker 1: social media, anybody can post anything and can have it

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Speaker 1: go viral and be seen and heard by just as

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Speaker 1: many people as something on the network news. But we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we can get into it later of the show that

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Speaker 1: this is really kind of a disguise in order to

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Speaker 1: kind of clamp down on the rising independent alternative media,

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Speaker 1: to try to drive people back to the to the mainstream,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see that most of the fake news really

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Speaker 1: isn't coming from some random websites or the Russians, that

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Speaker 1: it is coming from the mainstream media. It's it's planned

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Speaker 1: out as well. Listen it, this is not just a

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Speaker 1: fluke or an accident. I've seen two different kinds of

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Speaker 1: fake news. Mark one is very deliberate, planned, methodical releases

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Speaker 1: of stories. Will get into that. And then I've seen

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Speaker 1: things where people are just playing around having fun. They've

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Speaker 1: killed off a celebrity. It goes all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I mean even I almost got duped one day when

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Speaker 1: heard anything about this. And then you check and it's

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Speaker 1: not real. Right after the election, they compiled a list

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Speaker 1: of maybe the top ten or so viral fake news stories,

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Speaker 1: and I mean eight out of ten of them weren't

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Speaker 1: even really fake news. They were more or less satire

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Speaker 1: or parody. And perhaps the title caught people's attention, and

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Speaker 1: it should be obvious to anyone that it's something like

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Speaker 1: And these were examples. I mean, sixty minutes did an

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Speaker 1: investigation into fake news and one of the examples that

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Speaker 1: it's it's obvious what that joke is. He's got his

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Speaker 1: isn't fake news, it's a parody. It's satire, click bait.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of these fake news stories during the

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Speaker 1: election did get shared by some people in the campaign.

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Speaker 1: Court Lewandowski one time campaign retweeted a fake news story

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Speaker 1: from a website that was designed to look like an

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Speaker 1: It was a hoaxing website. But the amount of fake

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Speaker 1: news that was spread is in no way comparable to

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Speaker 1: what people actually believed. Well, I was going to ask

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Speaker 1: you that why are they so gullible? It's not that

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Speaker 1: they're people even believe it. Just because somebody clicks on

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Speaker 1: something that someone shares on Facebook doesn't mean that they

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Speaker 1: actually believe it. It's it's a clickbait title out of curiosity.

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Speaker 1: Someone clicks on it. Most people know that it's fake.

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Speaker 1: You can see one of the top thumbed up comments

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Speaker 1: in people's Facebook post that says this is clearly fake.

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Speaker 1: So just because people were clicking on these viral stories,

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Speaker 1: just because they went to viral doesn't mean that anybody

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Speaker 1: actually believed them. And there there's been studies by different universities,

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Speaker 1: different independent research firms that have found that most people

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Speaker 1: didn't believe the fake news. Well that's that's good, But

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Speaker 1: I would guess, based on demographics, more younger people would

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Speaker 1: be more apt to believe these stories than older people.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, because they don't have the

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Speaker 1: life experience. They obviously haven't been around the globe that

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Speaker 1: many times, so they're there. They don't have the worldly

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Speaker 1: knowledge and the historical base, so that they are and

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Speaker 1: they're in this online world, this this fifteen second news

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Speaker 1: cycle where they click and retweet something before they even

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Speaker 1: really read through it. They want to share it and

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Speaker 1: then somebody else shares it. The viral ability of these things,

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Speaker 1: but the the actual effects of this fake news, most

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Speaker 1: of which was parody, satire. There were some opportunists that

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Speaker 1: were putting out fake news, hoping not necessarily to influence

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Speaker 1: advertising by driving people to their websites. Good point, now,

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Speaker 1: isn't this would you call fake news? Some of it dangerous? Well,

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Speaker 1: some of it is, and particularly in the ecosystems of

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Speaker 1: social media because the stories tweets become news. Tweets from random,

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Speaker 1: unknown users that have been unconfirmed can go viral, can

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Speaker 1: cause issues to start trending, can cause a frenzy. You know.

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Speaker 1: We we we've seen multiple times where actually parity Twitter

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Speaker 1: New York Times. They just don't fact check these things.

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Speaker 1: Every time there's a mass shooting, these trolls, it's an

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Speaker 1: inside joke to them. They'll tweet out photos of this

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Speaker 1: Sam Hyde, and people believe that, spreading it around, and so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a it is a problem, but

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Speaker 1: it's not the problem that the mainstream media is framing

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Speaker 1: it because they have the power. And now Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they are media company social media, it's right

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Speaker 1: in the name. But these companies drive a lot of

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Speaker 1: news into the mainstream, into television, into print based off

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Speaker 1: of what's trending, and sometimes, as we can maybe get

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Speaker 1: necessarily what everybody is tweeting about or posting about. There's

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Speaker 1: some artificial inflation and suppression in those trending modules. So

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Speaker 1: you can't even really you can't even really believe what's

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Speaker 1: people are talking about. Because Facebook employees have blown the

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Speaker 1: the congressional committee investigating the Russia alleged collaboration that they

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Speaker 1: suppressed tweets up to fifty of them when John Podesta

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Speaker 1: emails were leaked, when the d n C emails were leaked,

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Speaker 1: So they were suppressing of those tweets trying to prevent

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Speaker 1: those stories from going viral. So there's a whole censorship issue.

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Speaker 1: We're in a really strange Orwellian world. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a new media world. It's no longer just a few

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Speaker 1: television stations and a couple of newspapers. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a very strange media landscape that we're in, and that's

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Speaker 1: why it's important that people become media literate so that

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Speaker 1: they don't get swept away in some massive wave of disinformation.

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