1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air. 3 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: People know things are bad, but crime is out of control. 4 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: It's when a famous person is murdered. It's when the 5 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: details of a story are so gruesome that they stand 6 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: out from the normal humdrum just people getting murdered. Jocelyn 7 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: unger A, for instance, twelve year old girl who was 8 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: brutally raped, beaten, tortured, and then thrown away like it 9 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: was trash. These are the stories that rise and bubble 10 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: up because. 11 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: The humdrum murders. 12 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Don't even really make the news any longer. But it's 13 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: not just a wind that's blowing through. This is the 14 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: result of actions and it's not unintentional. Kim Ogg, the 15 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: Harris County District Attorney, is our guests. Let's talk about 16 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: the influence that Rodney Ellis is exerting over the Harris 17 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: County judiciary and some law enforcement. 18 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: I'm told that. 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: Josh Hill, the judge has tried, has had two trials 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: this year. I hear from people who work in the 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: courthouse that their judges are scared to death of Rodney 22 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Ellis primarying them, and that there's been this sort of 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: trend of the white male judges that Rodney has targeted 24 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: them with black female judges that he sort of places there, 25 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: and even some of them have been targeted if they 26 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: allow convictions in their core. I think it's important that 27 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: people understand exactly what is happening. 28 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: I think you're right the gossip that you hear because 29 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing the warning 30 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: belt of people. It's a different standard. I can't go 31 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: by gossip. 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't. 33 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: I can't explain the mindset of our Harris County judiciary. 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: It's so different than Judge Ted Poe and Judge j. Burnett, 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: than the people I served under when I was a 36 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: line prosecutor. And I don't know about the pressures they face, 37 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: but I can tell you the pressures that I face. 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: I felt it was very clear that by going after 39 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: any kind of corruption investigation, regardless of how valid the 40 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: complaint was, was really going to be viewed as an 41 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: offensive attack. I've been called a racist. I've been called 42 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: a thug by my other officials in county government, speaking 43 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: of Lena Hidalgo and Commissioner Ellis, an election denier. Every 44 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: bad buzzword you can imagine, and in truth, these folks 45 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: were treated just like everybody else who's a target of 46 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: a criminal investigation. We treat them with respect, etc. But 47 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: the political retaliation was clear, and so that sets a 48 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: standard that makes an example for people. And I think 49 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: that yes, it was meant to send a message about 50 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: our party's position and what Commissioner Ellis and Hidalgo and 51 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: others on the far left believe it should be. And 52 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: I just don't think regular Democrats, whether we live in 53 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: Sunnyside or whether we live in the Heights, or whether 54 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: we live in Cyprus, would want anything different than regular Republicans. 55 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: They just want to be able to go out about 56 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: their business without getting killed or robbed or raped. They're 57 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: having their kids attacked. So the influence is manifest. How 58 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: it affects the judiciary, you just have to look at 59 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: people's actions and their record. Judge Hill, it's my understanding 60 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: from our prosecutors that he has only personally tried two 61 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: cases this year. They use visiting judges to a great degree, 62 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 3: and the dockets move sometimes really fast, sometimes like molasses. 63 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: But these serious cases were languishing in our court so 64 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: much that I went to the legislature and Senator Whittemyer, 65 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: then now Mayor Whitmyer carried legislation to make murder trials 66 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: a priority like child sexual assaults, and it just makes sense. 67 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: But that was direct I did at giving judges here 68 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: direction on what's important. And that's what's unusual. It's unusual 69 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: to have a judiciary that doesn't really push for better 70 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: lab funding so that we can get ballistics tests. I'm 71 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: the only one out there saying that, and you've had 72 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: some members of the police union calling for improvements in 73 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: our labs. So what I like about fighting for public 74 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 3: safety is that you're rooting for the good guys. Whether 75 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: we're Democrats or Republicans, it's supposed to be about our safety, 76 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: which I thought everybody wanted. Whether this is purposeful influenced 77 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: by Commissioner Ellison, that group that seems to want to 78 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: spend our county resources on anything but public safety, I 79 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: don't know. I think you should ask them, though, I 80 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: think the public ought to hear directly from them why 81 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: our budget is not directed at keeping them safe and 82 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: why it's being frittered way on all these unnecessary expenses 83 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: fifty million dollars Michael for consultants to do strategic analysis 84 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: and data planning. And I'm confusing the words because it's 85 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: word soup. It's fifty million bucks to sixteen different groups 86 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: to help them decide the strategy for our county. Seems 87 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: like they could ask regular people for free. It's almost 88 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: as if they're trying to put copies and prosecutors that 89 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: would make. 90 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost as if they're trying to put money 91 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: in the pockets of friends of the political leader rather 92 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: than solve the problem of making the streets safer. 93 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine. 94 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think purchasing political real estate through you know, 95 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: through contracts, is not something unique to Houston, but it's 96 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: something that constituents, our constituents don't want to tolerate. And 97 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: so as we look at these different contracts that are 98 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: sometimes complained on run through our commissioner's court, we take 99 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: them seriously. And I was never going to look the 100 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: other way. That's not the job. So yeah, I think 101 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: they've made an example out of me. Whether the judiciary 102 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: why they act the way they act, you have to 103 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: ask each of them individually. But our records should be scrutinized. 104 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: I think that's important We're going to try and release 105 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: more information about our office and the cases next week, 106 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: and I'll send you an invitation. Michael. We're going to 107 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: open up a data dashboard as agencies are doing across 108 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: the country, and I think you'll get a good look. 109 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: And I'm sure there'll be plenty of criticism about how 110 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: we've handled the cases. But when you look at bond, 111 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: responsibility of the judiciary, trial schedule, a responsibility of the judiciary, 112 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: number of trials, I think everybody needs to be scrutinized 113 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: and people need to make informed decisions, and you're giving 114 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: them the info. 115 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: Thanks well, jime On Harris Kunty Districttorney. 116 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. I really do. 117 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: It's always good to talk to you. Keep keep it up. 118 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, this. 119 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: Is a really scary time in Houston Harris County. I 120 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: came to this community in nineteen eighty nine and I 121 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: fell in love with it. 122 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: I did. 123 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: I was it perfect? No, But when I ran for 124 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: office twelve years later, I would brag about how well 125 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: we did things in this community. The level of ethics. Again, 126 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: nothing is perfect. You can point to plenty of examples. 127 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: A city councilmen who were for hire and some went 128 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: to prison. Inefficiencies, waste, you name it. But relative to 129 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: other governments, and we have become and are fast becoming 130 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: more what happened to Detroit and Baltimore and broken big cities. 131 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: It's awful and it has to stop. And good news 132 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: is we've got an election right now where we can 133 00:08:59,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: vote to change that. 134 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: To Michael Barry, he. 135 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: Ramon is back after he's bit beaming after the big 136 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: news of his uh, you know, his son being pinned 137 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: for being a student council president. 138 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Today. 139 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: This is a big deal in your in your family. 140 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: You know, this is this is probably how Joseph Kennedy, 141 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: Joe Kennedy felt, you know when when John F. 142 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Kennedy was was elected. I can understand the pride. 143 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: Indeed, yes, it's a it's a big deal. Back to 144 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: the crime in our community. The uber driver accused of 145 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: murdering beloved Houston pastor Ronald K. Mouton, Senior of the 146 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: East Bethel Missionary Baptist Church and a road rage incident 147 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two, remains free on bond eight 148 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: bond violations. As the pastor's family expressed his frustration with 149 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: the numerous delays in the murder trial. The pastor's brother 150 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: says it concerns us that he can violate his bond 151 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: and still be free. Fox twenty six with the story. 152 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: He came in these doors, walked up these stairs for 153 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 5: how many years? 154 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: Thirty two years, thirty two years, he. 155 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 6: Stopped passing these charich at the age of twenty seven, 156 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 6: and then got killed at age of fifty eight. 157 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 5: Pastor Roland Mouton is talking about his identical twin brother, 158 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 5: Reverend doctor Ronald Muton. 159 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 6: I crawled it to him, I'm not gonna lie all 160 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 6: the top sixty one years old, and I cried like 161 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 6: I'm five. 162 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 5: Reverend Ronald was shut and killed in a road rage 163 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 5: incident right here on the sixty four hundred block of 164 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 5: Gulf Freeway Service Road back in June of twenty twenty two. 165 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 5: In July of twenty two, police arrested and charged Deshan Longmire. 166 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: In March of twenty three, Longmire posted bond and since 167 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 5: then the case has been delayed for multiple reason. It 168 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 5: was supposed to go to trial this week, but was 169 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 5: reset due to a defense attorney conflict. 170 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 6: It will be two months from three years when he 171 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 6: finally goes to trial two months from three years for 172 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 6: somebody that committed a murder that you got clear evidence 173 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 6: that he did it. 174 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 5: According to the National Center for State Courts, the average 175 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 5: time for a felony case to be disposed is two 176 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty six days. The Harris County District Court 177 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 5: Criminal Dashboard shows that more than twenty nine thousand criminal 178 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: cases are pending here in Harris County, and twenty two 179 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 5: percent of them are older than three hundred and sixty 180 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 5: one days. 181 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 6: This guy's being free, basically enjoying his family while we're 182 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 6: still moaning in pain. 183 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 5: And April record show Longmire violated his bonds by missing curfew, 184 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 5: but his bond wasn't revoked. 185 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 7: Well. 186 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 6: Concern that he can violate the bond and still be free, 187 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 6: that concerns us. 188 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: I just want him up the street, That's what I want. 189 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: You know, Ramon brought something up that I hadn't thought about. 190 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: He was a twin the pastor who was murdered. You're 191 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: hearing from his twin brother. His family still has to 192 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: see his face. 193 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: How painful does that have to be? 194 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: You have to see the identical face of your brother 195 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: who was murdered. In some ways, I think. 196 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: Forgetting is better. 197 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: If you don't understand that, then you've never grieved. In 198 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: some ways, you have to move forward. Sure you remember, 199 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: you hold on to the most positive memories, and in time, 200 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: more and more memories slip away, and you sort of 201 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: shake off any memories that are questionable or uncertain in 202 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: your life with you know, this saint of a person, 203 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: because you hold to your favorite moments with that person. 204 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: But to look at the face. Now, I've been around 205 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: a few twins, not a lot, Remond. I'm going to 206 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: give you about two minutes while I think through this, okay, 207 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: and I want you to comprise a list of all 208 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: the twins you've known. 209 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Okay, you have. 210 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: To write them down. So my first set of twins 211 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: were Brent and Brant Fontaneau. We went to high school together. 212 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: They lived kind of near us. Their younger sister, Angela Fontineau, 213 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: was my classmate. I think she's now Angela Burris. I 214 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: think she's a nurse somewhere in Houston. We had connected 215 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: on Facebook a few years ago. I don't know what 216 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: happened to Brenton Brant Fontneau. There was Ronnie and Donnie Rogers, 217 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: and I think Donnie married. 218 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: Lee Hoffpower, who was. 219 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: Elected most beautiful of our high school all four years 220 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: and a dear friend of mine. I don't keep up 221 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: with anybody hardly abad from high school Moore, so I 222 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: haven't seen any these people in a long time, but 223 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: I still remember it like it was yesterday. So I 224 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: got the Rogers is, I got the font knows who was? 225 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: I just oh, my brother had two buddies that were DPS. 226 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: Troopers. 227 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: Uh Drogan, I'm gonna put DPS down for that one. 228 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: But I know, ah, I know their names. They I 229 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: think it's droging. Do I know anyone else who's a twin? 230 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I might know. 231 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: You gotta be identical. Don't pull that fraternal stuff on me. 232 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: Not the same thing. When people think of twins, they 233 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: mean two people. 234 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: That look oh the latrells. 235 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: They think of two people look exactly the same. If 236 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: you're a fraternal twin, I just I'm sorry, but I'm 237 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: not putting you in that category. I say all that 238 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: say this, When you first meet twins, you can't tell 239 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: them apart. But anybody that knows anything about them is 240 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: once you spend any significant time, you will never mix 241 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: them up ever again like Morgan and Marcus latrell you 242 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: because they're both they're big dudes. They always have a 243 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: scowl on their face and we're big fellows and they 244 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: got this look. Once you get to know them, you 245 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: can spot the differences just very very easily. 246 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I guess it. How mean you got? You don't have. 247 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: Any a boy and a girl twin is fraternal that 248 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: we know. We're not counting those we have. 249 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: It's not rude. 250 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: We could I could have five hundred of them. If 251 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: you're a twin, must be identical, don't get on here. 252 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: And then I gotta go you're not identical and start 253 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: yelling at you, and everybody says, I mean. 254 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: You have to be a legit twin. 255 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: That fraternal thing is is very very sketchy, very that's 256 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: as twins light. Fraternal is twins light. You know there 257 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: are a lot more twins today, Moan. I don't know 258 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: if you know this. And you'll see multiple birth families 259 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: today because of the fertility drugs. So what happens is 260 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: they take the did you ever have what was her name? 261 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: Sandra? 262 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Sandra Carson had doctor Sander Carson. 263 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: On the show. 264 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: She was head of the fertility Clinic at Yale. Wonderful lady. 265 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: Her son was my intern when I was on a 266 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: city council one time, and every intern we had, I 267 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: swear now we didn't take every time. Dick and Harry 268 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: they had to write an essay and they had to 269 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: put their sell on every intern we had to this 270 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: day like watching what they've gone on to do. 271 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 272 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: By the way, Scarborough, our intern we had a few 273 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: years ago, is on her way to be a clerk 274 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: for Judge Hoe on the Court of Appeals, a huge, 275 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: huge honor's she was Professor Josh Blackman's favorite student. Remember 276 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: when she was with us, she was going off to 277 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: ut She I think she had probably a four to 278 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: zero or close enough to it there. She came back, 279 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: went to South Texas College of Law, and then she's 280 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: going to be a clerk for the Court of Appeals, 281 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: which is a huge. 282 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: Honor, huge honor. 283 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, that woman's son was my intern when I was 284 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: down there. All right, I would like to hear from 285 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: a twin or two. You must be an identical twin 286 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: if you are one of them seven one three nine 287 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: nine nine one thousand seven one three nine nine nine 288 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: one thousand. 289 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: When it comes to. 290 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: Be a colony. 291 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: Do you believe Americans are better off than they were 292 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: four years ago? 293 00:17:53,880 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 8: Michael Barry So, I was raised as a middle class kid. 294 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: Robin and Maurice were not identifal. There's no way they 295 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: were doing. 296 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: No. 297 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: I could picture them in my mom's eye perfectly. 298 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: Look it up. I don't care what anybody says. VG's 299 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: are so good and I watched it. 300 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what we've got to come up with 301 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: something where you watch it on YouTube and it's self 302 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: made content, but it's really good content. It's not technically 303 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: a documentary, I guess it is, but it was a 304 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: hundred songs written or sang by the Beg's. It's just 305 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: you will just sit there iraze that I don't realize that, 306 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: like everybody knows, islands in the stream. 307 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: When when when disco. 308 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: Killed the Begs, which they actually still lasted for another 309 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: year beyond disco, really two years touring and singing, and 310 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: then they would make their comeback a few years later. 311 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: But they outlasted disco because they weren't perceived as just disco. 312 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: But so Barry Gibb just says, okay, well then I'll 313 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: just start writing songs for everybody else. And he did, 314 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: and Island's in the Stream being just one of many. 315 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: Lionel Richie did the same thing, by the way, but 316 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: it was incredible how many songs of theirs. It was 317 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: Reagan and Ryan Droughty that was to DPS troopers. Reagan 318 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: Droughty tore my heart out. 319 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: A few years ago. 320 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: It was the day of his retirement and he sent 321 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: me a message and he said, your brother and I 322 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: talked about the day we would count down how many 323 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: days till we retire? Are all cops do that? And 324 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: he said, here I am, it's the day I retired. 325 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: And we were supposed to go get a beer after 326 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: we retired. And I'm just sitting here bawling because Chris 327 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: is not here with me. And see how well I 328 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: did that. I'm so proud of myself. And how how 329 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: you know this was not how it was supposed to 330 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: not how it was supposed to go. My brother worshiped 331 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: those jawdy boys, Marines, DPS troopers. But see they worked 332 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: I tend there and he worked drug interdiction for Jefferson 333 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: County on I ten there, so they did a lot. 334 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: Of the same bus together. 335 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: There is I don't know fascination is the thing, but 336 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: there's quite a lot of interest in twins in our society. 337 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: Remember the Corps light commercial. 338 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 9: I love football TV shots of Genu Lee hanging with 339 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 9: my friends and twins. 340 00:20:53,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: I am Jennifer, You're only Michael Berry. Sure are you 341 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: a twin? 342 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 7: I am an identical twin? 343 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: How old are you? 344 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 7: Hi? Am fifty six? 345 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: So how old was your sister? 346 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 7: Well, she died, she's forever forty nine. 347 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: Oh well, were you the oldest or her? 348 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 7: Oh no, she was older by. 349 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: Two minutes, and she wanted you to know it. 350 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 7: She was pretty good about it. It was more like 351 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 7: when we got in trouble, she was older. 352 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: When y'all were growing up, did y'all dress the same 353 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: in the whole deal? 354 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 7: Yeah? 355 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 4: We did. 356 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 7: My mom dressed us alike, and then usually, like when 357 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 7: we were I don't know, seven or eight, we started 358 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 7: dressing ourselves and occasionally we would randomly dress the same. 359 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 7: And then on twin Day, of course, it was on 360 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 7: what was tricked on people his school. In high school, 361 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 7: they would always have twin days, so everybody dressed up. 362 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 7: But Liz and I had had an end because they 363 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 7: really couldn't tell the difference between us. 364 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: So was twin Day a day that just random people 365 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: dressed up like their friend. 366 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 7: Like as long as they dressed the same. So it 367 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 7: was you know, people could pick their friend or you know, 368 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 7: if they had a siblings, sometimes they could. 369 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: Okay, but twin Day wasn't because I was like, how 370 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 2: many twins do y'all have in your school? 371 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: Do you have twin Day? 372 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 7: No? Yeah, I just wanted to be like us, that's all. 373 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: What was the coolest thing about being a twin. 374 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 7: On a on a superficial level was being able to 375 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 7: kind of trick people because they couldn't, you know, visibly, 376 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 7: you could kind of see a difference on the phone, 377 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 7: you couldn't tell the difference at all. But then on 378 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 7: another level, it was it was almost like telepathic communication, 379 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 7: Like we wouldn't even have to say anything, and I'd 380 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 7: know exactly what she's thinking, and she'd know exactly what 381 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 7: I was thinking. 382 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Isn't that odd? 383 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 7: I guess to use singletons, that might be, But it's 384 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 7: just just kind of a natural thing for us, kind 385 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 7: of comforting. 386 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, but it's just amazing to me on a 387 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: very very deep, profound level that another human being, because 388 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: you know there's the nature versus nurture argument and debate 389 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: and theories, but to see two human beings how similar 390 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: they are, not just in how they look. But I'll 391 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: tell the thing that that always, uh, the smothers brothers 392 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: were like I bet, I guarantee you they could wear 393 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: each other's clothes down to the finest item is that 394 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: you know our diets are probably a little different, and 395 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: how how they're always the same size? Yeah, yep, very interesting. 396 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 7: I was always a little bit a little bit bigger 397 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 7: than her tightwise, but yeah, it was the same. And 398 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 7: I'll tell you that the saddest thing is when she 399 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 7: passed and you singletons. And that's the term this twins 400 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 7: has half for you people who don't have a twin, 401 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 7: it's lonely. It's a lonely world without your twin, and 402 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 7: you all don't even realize it, but it is. It 403 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 7: is very different. And it's something knowing that you always 404 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 7: got somebody there your whole life, and that you you know, 405 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 7: everybody that doesn't have a twin doesn't even know. And 406 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 7: it's that it's it's a it's a it's a lonely world. 407 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: It's just kind of interesting how all of us there 408 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 2: are things that are so important to us, so central 409 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: to our being. It's in our fiber. So you can 410 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: hear it in this woman that it is being a 411 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: twin her sister, what her sister meant to her, what 412 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: her sister served as, what kind of superpower she has 413 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: as a twin that they. 414 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: Feel that no one else has. 415 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: This happens to people, whether they're in a cult, in 416 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: a religious group, in a racial group, in a nationality. 417 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 7: Uh. 418 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: And you don't know it. 419 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: You know, you you're sitting around a campfire, and I 420 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: like to ask questions, and if you ask the right 421 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: number of questions, you start learning that there's a whole 422 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: side to. 423 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: Someone that you wouldn't have even known about. 424 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 2: You know, they lost their mother when they were five, 425 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: or you know they did five years in prison, and you, well, 426 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: I never would have guessed that about you. Seven one, three, nine, nine, 427 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: one thousand. Your story's coming up. They remain scared to 428 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: death of you, and they remain scared to death of Trump. 429 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: You're not going anywhere even if Trump does. 430 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: You're not. 431 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 2: Love you. And I don't often explain the little games 432 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: were in place with bumps and sound on flips and things. 433 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: This one's a little harder than most. The band is Nelson. 434 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: You'd have to know that to know that, because if 435 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: you didn't know that, you wouldn't know that. And we 436 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 2: have to be unburdened by what has been so that 437 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: what will be will not be a burden as a 438 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: burden was when it was, so that in the future 439 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: it will not be, so that we can holistically view 440 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 2: the holistic future with a holistic approach to holisticity. The 441 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: band is Nelson, which is the twin sons of Ricky Nelson. 442 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: So they didn't, you know, they don't want to kind 443 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: of get out of their dad's shadow, but maybe shot 444 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: a spotlight in the middle of it. Quick story and 445 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: then to the stories. Dan Endam dear friend, used to 446 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: be the director of sales in Houston. Many people know 447 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: him Texas tech red raider, very proud to be so 448 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: he was the number two here in Houston to Eddie Martini, 449 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: and then he went Toshville to run the market there 450 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: and in short order he put us on there. So 451 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm doing a market visit to Nashville and we went 452 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: to it's like meat plus three or something. It's a 453 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: cool little restaurant, Frank's Meat plus three. I can't remember 454 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 2: the name of it. Some of you will know it's 455 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: a famous restaurant. And you eat on a cafeteria plate 456 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: like you ate on in second grade at Macleuis Elementary 457 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: when Miss Peveto was serving the food and it was 458 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: a delicious Thursdays where burgers with the blue dye shot 459 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: in the in the pento beans and the chocolate cake 460 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: and the chocolate milk, so you could see which kid 461 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: was missing. 462 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: And we're done for the day. 463 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: We've had meetings with the show sponsors and things, and 464 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: we're walking along and. 465 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 1: You know, there's Tootsis and it's Nashville, right. 466 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: He says, for me, this is this is this is 467 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: a big deal. And he said, let's get a drink, 468 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: and so we just it's kind of one of those 469 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: deals where you don't play in it. You're just walking 470 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: along and there's a watering hole and you just you 471 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: walk in and we're sitting at the bar and this 472 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 2: cute little blonde girl walks up and she's I don't know, 473 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: she's maybe twenty. 474 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: Twenty to twenty three years old. 475 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: The older you get, the less able you are to 476 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 2: tell how old young people are men or women. And 477 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 2: she's sitting there by herself, and it's kind of an 478 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: odd vibe because. 479 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Why is this girl by herself? 480 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: Is this a working girl? She's too young, she's too 481 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: clean conscious. 482 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: This is weird. 483 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: She's got her hair kind of in pigtails, and the 484 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: whole thing is just odd. So Dan says, so what 485 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: are you doing here? And she said, I just quit 486 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: my job. Oh really, well, what was your job? So 487 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: the bar was a separate bar to the restaurant next door, 488 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: but they had an opening in between. You know, like 489 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: when you go to an antique mall and you can 490 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: go in and out of the stores, but each one 491 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: is kind of so this was a separate bar from 492 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: the restaurant. She said, I worked over there. 493 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm like fifty feet over. Oh you quit, you. 494 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just quit my job. I'm having a drink. 495 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: Oh well, tell us your story will buy you a drink. 496 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: So she starts into her story, which wasn't very long. 497 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: They made her mad and she quit. When she quit, 498 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: she walked thirty forty fifty feet over, sat down at 499 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: the bar and having a drink. We just happened to 500 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: be sitting there while all that's going on. Oh okay, well, 501 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: I started into my goofiness because I'm in a mood. 502 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: And I said, tell us something about you that nobody 503 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: would expect if they met you, Like if you were 504 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 2: the guy out in front of the tank at Tenham 505 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: and Square. And I say that everywhere. 506 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: And I've never run into. 507 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: That guy, but if I do, he'll be like, you know, 508 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: she says, I'm a double mint twin. And I said, oh, okay, 509 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: you have my attention. Well where's your twin and she 510 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: points and across the way, still working is her sister, 511 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: who's now worried that two dudes are talking to her sister. 512 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: Don't worry, young lady. We're old men. 513 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: We got kids your age, she says, yep, as my sister. 514 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: She's working too. She's mad at me that I quit. 515 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: So she was having a drink, not because she was 516 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: stressed out about having quit, but because I guess she 517 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: had told her sister, I've had it with John, the manager. 518 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm quitting, and her sister would have said, no, you 519 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: can't quit. 520 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm quitting. 521 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: And then when you quit, especially if you're on the 522 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: kitchen staff, you have to take your rag and throw 523 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: it at them as you leave. I mean that if 524 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: you haven't seen Mels diner, and if you haven't seen Alice, 525 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: then you know how many times did flow quit? I mean, 526 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: good grief. All right, to the twins we go. Let's 527 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: go to Brenda. Brenda, you're a twin. 528 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 8: Yes I am. 529 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: How old are you? 530 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 7: Seventy three? 531 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: Okay? And your twin. 532 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 8: Is also seventy three and eight minutes older than. 533 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: I am eight minutes older. Okay. 534 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: What was the coolest thing about being a twin that 535 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: people wouldn't expect? 536 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 8: You know, I don't know if you're expected, but it's 537 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 8: just like having a best friend always with you, always 538 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 8: has your back, even when you're in the wrong. It's 539 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 8: almost a part of you. And I guess, like the 540 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 8: other lady was saying, if you're a singleton, you can't 541 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 8: fathom that. But it's it's very strange. It's just I 542 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 8: can't imagine not having a twin. 543 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: So let me ask you about that connection. You've got 544 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: other friends? Do you have other siblings? 545 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 8: We have a younger sister two years younger. 546 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's close enough that you should also have 547 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: a bond. How deep is that bond relative to your parents, 548 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: your other friends, your spouse, your other sister, and how 549 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: is it different? 550 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 8: Well, you know, we almost I've always kind of felt 551 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 8: sorry for my younger sister because Lynda and I were 552 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 8: always so close. It's always like we always tell each 553 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 8: other's back. Lynn and Brenda. Yes, I mean, how embarrassing 554 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 8: is that? But yeah, but even if the three of 555 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 8: us would get in a fight, even if I knew 556 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 8: she was wrong or she knew I was wrong, we 557 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 8: always touch together against my little sister. Now, I have 558 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 8: to say, my little sister is very independent, strong woman, 559 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 8: and I think that has something to do with being 560 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 8: raised there was always two against one. My parents, you 561 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 8: know they I don't think they treated us any differently. 562 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 8: I really don't our friends. We were just so used 563 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 8: to being the twins. It just you just take it 564 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 8: for granted. I just assumed everybody in the world knows 565 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 8: that we're twins and we are identical. So because we 566 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 8: look alike, it's just a given. 567 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: Are you all the same size? 568 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: Like, are you the same waist size? 569 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: Are you the same weight? 570 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 571 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: We are. 572 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 8: We always have been. We could always interchange clothes. It 573 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 8: made it easy when especially in high school. Back then, 574 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 8: you know, girls would have matching The outfit had to 575 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 8: match your purse and their shoes, and so she was 576 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 8: by address, and then I would buy the matching shoes 577 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 8: and curse. It became a problem when we got married, 578 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 8: moved out of our apparent home, got married, because we 579 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 8: had to fight over every single outfit. But we worked 580 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 8: it out. 581 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, it really is interesting to me. 582 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: You know how much of this I mean, I guess 583 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: it's all biological, but there are things in our biology 584 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: that we don't control. You know, you throw a baseball 585 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: at my eye, I'm not going to choose to blink. 586 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: My eye's going to close, right. So how much of 587 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: what our body is doing, how much of our emotions, 588 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: how much of our cravings, how much of our disgust 589 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: or distaste? Do we not have control on in this 590 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: deep bond? I find to be very interested. Let's keep 591 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: talking to the twins.