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Speaker 1: one and Only Johnny Wright. Hey Johnny, how are you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know I cannot. I can't. You know, people didn't

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Speaker 1: need to know of our relationship. Man. We over a decade,

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Speaker 1: But all along, you know, the fun part of our

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald talking to Johnny Right.

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Speaker 1: This book is entitled Natural and Curly Hair for Dummies. Hey, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: of like it's fake and we you know, like I

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Speaker 1: was just reading about Cardi B. She was talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the fake, fake implanting up behind and she's

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Speaker 1: telling people, don't do that. You don't even know what's

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Speaker 1: real anymore, you know. And so when you go to

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Speaker 1: Natural and Curly Hair for Dommies, which is the name

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Speaker 1: of your book, it really kind of like it's so searching.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how I kind of look at it

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Speaker 1: as well, allowing a person to really look in the

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Speaker 1: mirror and say, I'm beautiful. It's about me and guess

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Speaker 1: what it works, And that's what to talk about. That's

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Speaker 1: really the reason why I wanted to do the book.

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Speaker 1: I think there's been so much discrimination against Black women,

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Speaker 1: in particular when it comes down to their hair, especially

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Speaker 1: in the workplace. I mean, you still have some some

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Speaker 1: states still not passing the Crown Act so people can

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Speaker 1: go to work as their natural sub which is I

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Speaker 1: think it's insane. But the thing is that this book

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Speaker 1: is a celebration of that, and I talk about the

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Speaker 1: stigma in this book. I talk about the years of

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Speaker 1: discrimination in this book, and I wanted people to understand

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Speaker 1: that they are natural. And that's really why we want

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Speaker 1: to do the tour to connect to more people, and

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Speaker 1: it's the tour is called Naturally You, and it's we

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Speaker 1: really want to have this conversation countrywide, worldwide about natural hair,

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Speaker 1: the stigma natural hair, and how we can diminish that

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Speaker 1: stigma and debunk those myths. And that's what this book

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Speaker 1: really focuses on, is really getting people to understand that

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Speaker 1: what you were born, but how you came into this

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Speaker 1: world is more than a not well, you can hand thing,

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Speaker 1: you can add pieces to it. All that stuff is fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't shame any of that. In my book, I

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Speaker 1: talk I talk about here e stensers and doing styles

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Speaker 1: all those other things, but I just talk about how

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Speaker 1: they properly do it to keep your hair healthy. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you say that, because you know when people here

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Speaker 1: the word naturally and curly, they think it's the restricting extensions.

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Speaker 1: It's stricting chemicals. Were this book encompasses it at all,

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Speaker 1: but just telling everybody's safe way to use it, so

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Speaker 1: you won't be like a bad dad like me burning

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Speaker 1: my daughter's how because I'm trying to I'm just tired

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Speaker 1: of just dealing with it. How long it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: like that. I'm gonna just go get the term done

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Speaker 1: and everybody. Here's the key thing to everybody. Everybody can't

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Speaker 1: do the process correctly. That's what I learned. Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: could you, Johnny, you the best? How would you recommend

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Speaker 1: somebody who's out there, you know they got the book

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Speaker 1: the Dumbi's book to would you say this is a

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Speaker 1: book for that they at home can take care of themselves,

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Speaker 1: or if they go out in public and get some

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Speaker 1: type of care, they don't know what to look for. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so both of that a is in the book. So

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Speaker 1: I walk people step by step how to take care

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Speaker 1: of the hair. This is good, you know, speaking to

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Speaker 1: your situation with you know you wasn't a single dad,

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Speaker 1: but the thing is so single. There's a ton of

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Speaker 1: single dads out there that we have daughters who have

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Speaker 1: to have no idea what to do with their hair right.

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Speaker 1: This book will help guide them do a really step

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Speaker 1: by step how to do it. So I talk to

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Speaker 1: the consumer, but this also for the professional as well too,

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Speaker 1: so there's um and I also tell people how to

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Speaker 1: find a hairstyle as near them with me and my

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Speaker 1: team are actually working on building a directory for people

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Speaker 1: to find natural hairstylers in their community. So that's something

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna offer early twenty twenty three on my

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Speaker 1: website Johnny dot com. And that way you can don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about searching so hard. And it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be These are people that I recommend personally. It's not

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Speaker 1: like love it. I love it man, because like you know,

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Speaker 1: zach Uts that was a big for restaurants. Why it

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Speaker 1: can't be Jay Dubb. You know what I'm saying. You

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Speaker 1: know for hairstyles and know where to go. You go online.

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Speaker 1: They've got black Doctor, got the dot Org for doctors

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Speaker 1: who you can go that's been recommended, that have been vetted.

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Speaker 1: Why can't that do? You could have saved me my

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Speaker 1: poor daughter, Johnny, where you have brother? Come on? I

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Speaker 1: needed you. She's twenty five and now. But hell, I

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Speaker 1: did you buy fifteen years ago? But I had was

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Speaker 1: falling on the floor. Come on, wait, so she was

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Speaker 1: five years over this top? Do you like thirteen? She's

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Speaker 1: like thirteen. But you know, like I said, again, I

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Speaker 1: want to appreciate you from coming on the show Man.

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Speaker 1: But again, Natural and Curly Half for Dominies by the

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Speaker 1: incomparable Johnny Right, you'll learn how to tame frizz, keep

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Speaker 1: your hair monsterized and looking luctious. With the right tricks,

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Speaker 1: tips and advice, you can get a hay little soft,

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Speaker 1: healthy curls just the way you want them. Johnny. Any

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Speaker 1: closing thoughts of your book and what you're about to

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Speaker 1: do next to your career. Talk about the website and

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Speaker 1: talk about the tour, talking about the Sheelle Obama, talking

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Speaker 1: about camera Hall got name dropped on that. You just

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Speaker 1: a beast, my friend. Yeah, you know, it's just that

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this tour happening next year. I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited to get how these intimate, personal, live conversations

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Speaker 1: with women and men around the world. That's one thing

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure people want to say, it's

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Speaker 1: not just for women, it's for men to I have

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Speaker 1: a sex been talking about what men could do and

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Speaker 1: everything like that. But Harri's hair is not a gender right,

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Speaker 1: and so we talk about We talk about all that

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Speaker 1: in the book. And you know, this has been a

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Speaker 1: great time for me. It was like kind of serendipitous

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Speaker 1: that the first Lady was wearing braids during her tour.

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Speaker 1: She talked about braids a lot um during our tour

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Speaker 1: and why she decided to wear braids now, and how

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Speaker 1: she didn't wear braids in the White House but she

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Speaker 1: wore extensions and wigs, and how I was able to

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Speaker 1: keep her healthy. All that is in the book. All

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Speaker 1: that information is in the book, and I want people

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Speaker 1: to get this, love it, and use it. This book

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Speaker 1: is a you know, great thing about Dummy's book. You

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Speaker 1: can just jump to a chapter that you interested in

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Speaker 1: and take that and roll with it, or you can

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Speaker 1: read the book straight through. That's out there to dine Johnny.

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Speaker 1: When you when you get the website up at Roland.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the website where you start identifying you know,

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Speaker 1: vertous hair salons and styles around the country that you

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Speaker 1: can in each state, each city. I want you to

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Speaker 1: come back on the show. I think that's necessary. I

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Speaker 1: do whatever I can in my social media retargeting, audience

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Speaker 1: and stuff like they're like four point eight million, I

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Speaker 1: could retarget to let people know about your brand. But again,

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Speaker 1: and you're special and I always appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: time to come home and share your story my audience.

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Speaker 1: And again, congratulations, Thank you, Sorr. Really, you always supported

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Speaker 1: me and I love being here on your show and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to come back. All right, we talked soon.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Wright, the incredible and incopable successful entrepreneur Half Stylus,

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Speaker 1: thirty years of experience and he just keep winning. Talk

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Speaker 1: to your ladyes, Johnny Cool. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You are

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Speaker 1: now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration

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Speaker 1: with Rashaan McDonald. Ti'm Rashan McDonald and Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: Masterclass with your daily minuted of inspiration. My guest today

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Speaker 1: is Jeff Friday, founder of American Black Film Festival. He

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Speaker 1: explains how important it is to have black representation in

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Speaker 1: film festivals. I was working in advertising in nineteen ninety seven, right,

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Speaker 1: and when I would go to major film festivals, I

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Speaker 1: never saw black and brown people. I primarily saw white men.

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Speaker 1: And I was, you know, I was impressed with what

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Speaker 1: I would see. It was creative, and it was bills

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Speaker 1: getting made. And you know, there's a whole industry around

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Speaker 1: film that people that we don't really think about, right,

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Speaker 1: and festivals are market for buying and selling movie and

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Speaker 1: I just didn't see brothers and sisters there, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I thought that that needed to be a change.

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Speaker 1: And my nature and when I don't, when I see

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Speaker 1: something that brings me discomfort, I don't complain about it.

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Speaker 1: I just I just do something about it. To listen

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Speaker 1: to this full interview with Jeff Friday is available on

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Speaker 1: Moneymaking Conversation dot com. Now, let's return to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald. Guess It's Ramone. Hervey, the

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Speaker 1: second Ramon is one of the first successful in universal

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Speaker 1: respected black pr professionals and personal managers in the entertainment

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Speaker 1: business in his new book, The Fame Game, and inside

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Speaker 1: his playbook for Earning Your Fifteen Minutes, he shares insights

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Speaker 1: and never before told antidotes from his trailblazing career, representing

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Speaker 1: Bette Miller. Ramone Harvey the Second, Hervey the Second Excuse

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Speaker 1: me is a pioneer in the toughest side of the

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Speaker 1: entertainment business. The demanding work and genius of conceptionalizing, molding,

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Speaker 1: sustaining careers. It's a big time job. Please welcome to

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. The one and Only. Ramone Hervey

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Speaker 1: the Second. How are you doing, sir? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you when you manage the guy like Steve Harvard

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Speaker 1: for sixteen years, you're gonna have that little, that little

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Speaker 1: mistake every once in a while. But again, your career

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Speaker 1: is fantastic, and let's get it started. Light attended. Huh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so pan Am and uh the mid the early seventies

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Speaker 1: and uh I got the job really because I killed

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Speaker 1: two birds as one stone. PanAm was one of the last.

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Speaker 1: Although it was the first international carrier, American International Carrier,

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Speaker 1: they never had men on the on the flights because

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Speaker 1: they had like fifty one vice presidents and they wanted,

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Speaker 1: you know, really gorgeous women to the I candy for

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Speaker 1: all the business guys, so that they came up with

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Speaker 1: a really high level uh looking and you know everything

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Speaker 1: stylists stewardesses. But all the foreign airlines did men, and

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Speaker 1: so when I was interviewed, they didn't have any black men.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have any men, and they didn't have very

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Speaker 1: had very few black men or women. So I killed

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Speaker 1: two birds with one stone and it was a it

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Speaker 1: was a very uh adventurous time for me. And I

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Speaker 1: got to see the old world. You know. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that you have to realize when you're a steward

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Speaker 1: and I was a college graduate. You know, the pepers

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Speaker 1: said where you do for a job, And I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm a waiter in the sky, And what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I'm a flight attendant, but really I'm a waiter, right.

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Speaker 1: I never get that out of my head, that that's

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Speaker 1: all I'm doing. But I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could just stay in all the best hotels.

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Speaker 1: I met a lot of great people and I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing it. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a ramone, you know, you kind of like throw that out,

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Speaker 1: you know. I was a flight attend little Pandem, and

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Speaker 1: in the era that you became a flight attend, you

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Speaker 1: was very first. They wouldn't even hire men, let alone

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Speaker 1: a black man, you know. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: trivialize the significance of being a first because there's so

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Speaker 1: many racial situations you have to deal with, uncomfortable situation

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Speaker 1: you have to deal with, how are you able to

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Speaker 1: be who you are and sustain and continue to and

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Speaker 1: continue to excel in the job that you were the

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Speaker 1: first one at. Well, you know, I always go in

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Speaker 1: that I'm as good as anybody else. So I always

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Speaker 1: started with that. I never looked at him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know what, you know. We live in a systemic

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Speaker 1: racist system. So I was very aware of that, and

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Speaker 1: I really wasn't sure. I didn't I'd never even been

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Speaker 1: on a plane. I had been on one plane that

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00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: job that was like a half hour flight from from

638
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to San Francisco, so I had I really

639
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: was a fish out of water, and I was just

640
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: trying something different because I wanted to get out of

641
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: the States. I wanted to go somewhere else in the

642
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: road and see how I would be viewed as a

643
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: black man. And that was really my real goal. I

644
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: had graduated, like I said, I was going to be

645
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: a lawyer, and I didn't want to go to law school. Um,

646
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: so I just said, let me find something. And a

647
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: friend of mine, her name is Sheryl Brune, was the

648
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: first black president of the National Academy of Motion Arts

649
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: and Sciences and Motion Pictures inside inches and so she

650
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: was a flight attendant for PNM before highways. She was

651
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: one year ahead of me in college. We both went

652
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: to Wier College and she's the one who hit me

653
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: to her and told me they were looking for men

654
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: um and they were hiring blocks. So she was one

655
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: of the first black when I was one of the

656
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: first black men. And then once I got in one

657
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: of the funniest things was I had a big afro,

658
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: and they told me that it couldn't be over three

659
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: inches from the top of my head. They used to

660
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: put a ruler in my head my head and I

661
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: used to crack up because my head was probably about

662
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: six inches. So I used to just pat it down whatever.

663
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: When I left there, and when I flew I was

664
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: always packed down. But then in my own private life,

665
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I'd let it go. Why well, I was in that

666
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: afro era. I was in that afro ero, So I

667
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: do exactly what you talked about afraid who had the

668
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: perfect airfro man. It was like about it was about

669
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: about a foot off his head and it was like

670
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: beautifully and you just padded down man when he needed

671
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: to padd it down. So I know exactly what you

672
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: were dealing with. Now, you know, I'm assuming that you,

673
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: like you said, you're a game changer because, like you said,

674
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: you usually wanted to experience life from a different perspective.

675
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, that was one of the reasons why you

676
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be a flight attendant. Now how did you

677
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: get into the whole transition? Did you meet somebody? No,

678
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna this isn't spoken to in the book,

679
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: but your words and not giving away too much of

680
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: the book, how did you make that transition of what

681
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: envisioned you that you can be successful in the pr business,

682
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: which eventually led to the management business, which left eventually

683
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: led you to produce in television shows and concerts. Well,

684
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: a couple of things happening here. I was based in London.

685
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: So I was That's where I actually, you know, in

686
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: the entertainment business, was in London because I got laid

687
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: off from pan Am and I met a singer and

688
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: um I had a writing background. I wrote and you know,

689
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: on college, I wrote poetry. I wrote. I was a

690
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: journalist in high school. I was an editor of my

691
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: school newspaper and sports and stuff, and so I had

692
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: that background and that gave me sort of an inroad

693
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: because this talent agency out of London called Starlight Artists,

694
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: they were looking for someone to help develop by a

695
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: public relations department division of their company to promote their

696
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: and they had some artists that they had at the

697
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: time was a group club, the Bay City Rollers, and

698
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: then in the early seventies they were they were being

699
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: position as the next Beatles and so they were pretty big.

700
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: So I did god, you know, some exposure. They had

701
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: a couple of black artists, Matt Continny Kasson, they had

702
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: Clem Curtis and the foundations that another group called Marmalade.

703
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: So I ended up going to that company and that's

704
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: where I started doing some writing meeting and then I

705
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: went from there to a I became an editor of

706
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: a couple of music magazines in London, and I wrote

707
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: the whole magazine. In fact, it was so funny because

708
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: when I got there was just was a publisher and

709
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: his partner. His partner had a phishing magazine and he

710
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: wanted to do the a phishing magazine. They didn't even have,

711
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, anyone writing, and I said, we'll look, you know,

712
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: to be competitive. I think we need to make it

713
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: look like we're bigger than we are. And I don't

714
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: want to be the only person writing. You guys, mind,

715
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: let's if I make up some names, right, right, And

716
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: so that's what I did. I made up a staff

717
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: and then I wrote. I tried to write different to

718
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: reflect different Finaley and you truly were one man operation. Yeah,

719
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was me, this guy, the publisher, who

720
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: really didn't do anything, but he was the one who

721
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: was funding it. And I had an art director and

722
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: we did. It was called Poster Magazine and the whole,

723
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: the whole hope. The marketing hook was that in the

724
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: contents of the magazine you got four big posters that

725
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: you could pull out, and then the editorial copy was

726
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: on the back of the posters. But you you know,

727
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: to get four posters for the price of a regular magazine.

728
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: You'd be playing four times, five times, ten times as much,

729
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you tried to buy those posters at

730
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: any kind of rock store or whatever. But that was

731
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: a gimmick. You know. We did pretty well, and then

732
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I ended up. I came to a threshold of time

733
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: being in London where I had to decide am I

734
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: going to be there and be a full resident or

735
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: come back to Sate. And that's when I decided I'll

736
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: come back to the States. And a shepherded my career

737
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: to continue in the entertainment industry, and I got a

738
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: job at Motown. But the funny about working at Motown,

739
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: I got hired because I took a part time job

740
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: working at a photo map roup. I don't know if

741
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: you remember. I remember in Photo Man both absolutely, I

742
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: remember those absolutely and Cranshaw. There was a photo map

743
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: booth and I worked part time for like Okay, now, okay,

744
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: that remote Rodeo, that's Rodeo. That's Rodeo. When you get

745
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: to Chris Show, you know that it's Rodeo here that

746
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: when you get over to Chris Showers Rodeo. Correct. Thanks

747
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: for correcting me on that. As absolutely true. So it

748
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: was right here a Pioneer Chicken, and people used to

749
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: call up and say, they're going to rob the place,

750
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not gonna like, you know, die

751
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: for some potomat bo. So I would just go like,

752
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, guy would call me. I said, you're a

753
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: rock the place. I mean, we don't really have a

754
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: lot of cash in it, you know whatever. I go

755
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: sitting the Pioneer Chicken there was right you know, adjacent

756
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: to the to the Little Shock. Call my manager and say, hey,

757
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: someone said they're going to rob the place. I'm gonna

758
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: sit here for a few minutes. If anyone comes, I'll

759
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: let you know. If it's coast's clear, I'll go back

760
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: and re open the shot. You know. That's funny. Yeah,

761
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: that's whole. That's a whole ball with heels area that

762
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: you just talking about, you know, which is now called

763
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: South Central, And you know, like I was fortunate to

764
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: live in LA for fifteen years, so I'm very familiar

765
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: with the area and then the whole atmosphere that you're

766
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: talking through. I lived through the I was down there

767
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: through the Rodney king Um drama that took over the city.

768
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: But more importantly just watching how you embraced it because

769
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: you worked with iconic names, but also you worked with

770
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: an iconic agency at the time, Rogerson Cohens, which is

771
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: still Yeah. So I worked at Moretown first. So this

772
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: guy Bob Jones, it's really probably my only mentor. I

773
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: had worked at Rogers and Collen for a very brief time, right,

774
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: and he was he ran black press at Motown Redcast

775
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: and he's the one who hired me. He actually called

776
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: me while I was working him in the photo map

777
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: booth and said, you know, Fred, my name Bruce Toloman,

778
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: who was a photographers. He knew you was in the

779
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: photo map booth when he called you. I don't think

780
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: he knew, you know, I wasn't volunteering that I love it,

781
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: but he knew a guy named Bruce Toloman. Bruce Tolloman

782
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: also went to Video College with me, and he's a

783
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: very well known black photographer. Right. I was looking into

784
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: magazines to try to find out, you know, ways to

785
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: write in the States first, and I looked, you know,

786
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Soul Magazine was a legendary you know music magazine that

787
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: featured R and B artist and he was in on

788
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: their staff as a as a photographer. So I got

789
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: a hold of him and he said, Hey, this guy

790
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Bob Jones, you might want to get to him a call.

791
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: I heard that he might be looking for an assistant

792
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: and Motown had just moved from Detroit to the CNN

793
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: building on Sunset Boulevards, And so I ended up getting

794
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: hired by Motown and that was a really great experience.

795
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: I got to work with Stevie Wonder and Marvin Day

796
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: and the Commodorees, Junior Walker in the All Stars at

797
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Jackson five, just a you know, Eddie Kendricks had left

798
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: the tempetitions, Dennis Edwards, a lot of really talented artists

799
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: and thought Stevie. The first time I met Stevie, I

800
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: was in a meeting was a tremendous sister humor. By

801
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: the way, a lot of people who wrote that he

802
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: does oh yeah, him being blind as part of the

803
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: whole process with him. You know, he's a and we've

804
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: been friends for ever since I met him at Motown.

805
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: But I got to be in a marketing meeting with

806
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: him for the songs in the Key of Life, and he,

807
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, he was still a very young guy. He

808
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: was in his twenties, but he was able to call

809
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: this meeting because he wanted to know what everyone went

810
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: at the label. He wanted all the division heads to

811
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: be to give their spiel about what they're going to

812
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: do to support his record right off the meeting, and

813
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: he says, well, you know what I really want for

814
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: this record more than anything else, is I want a

815
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: billboard in Times Square that it's so big and so

816
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: bright that even I can see it. And that set

817
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the temper, you know, community, he was thinking that high,

818
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: that you were that serious. Absolutely, it was a short

819
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: stoup manage, Steve Harvey. And then it was in La

820
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: at ninety two point three to beat and we was

821
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: on like the sixteenth floors, the top floor, and then uh,

822
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder was supposed to shore for an interview, and

823
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: then Steve Won He called in on the hot line

824
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and Steve says, Steve Harper said where you at? And

825
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: he said downstairs driving your truck and and so he

826
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: told Steve looked out that right down this parking lot

827
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: was Stevie Wanton behind the wheels of Steve Waters brand

828
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: new Trump. Uh, back and forth, back and forth. One

829
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: of the great personalities in the in the in the

830
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: industry is Stevie Wonder Man. I know there was a

831
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: great it was only funny, but I mean everything that

832
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: he's done for uh you know the Martin Luther we

833
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: King social justice. Yeah, social justice, and I mean I

834
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: don't think that would have ever happened without Stevie Wonder.

835
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: And then he religiously devoted himself to that and at

836
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: the risk of his own career because I really think

837
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: if you look at his you know, his climb to

838
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: for success. Before he had like three albums back to

839
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: back that won the Best Rammy Award, right, so he

840
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: became politicized. White radio playing they didn't play him the

841
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: same way that they had before. So he made some

842
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: personal artistic sacrifices, you know, once he became more socially active,

843
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: and he's really been a change your agent ever since.

844
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: Oh he's brilliant. He's brilliant. Your book opens up with

845
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor as one of your first clients that we

846
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: all know Richard Prior as a game changing entertainer, a

847
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: guy who had a life where it was kind of

848
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: self destructive, tied to alcohol type drugs, tied the relationship.

849
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: How did he come into your life and what were

850
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: the giant obstacles and maintaining some degree of control in

851
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: his career for you well, as you mentioned briefly, I

852
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: after Motown, I did go to Rogerson Cowny, and Rogerson

853
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: County is where I really you know, that's my first

854
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: client that I ever worked on at Rogers Cohn was

855
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: was Paul McCartney. I put together a prescott for him

856
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: because he owned a Buddy Holly catalog and he was

857
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: doing a big week of promotion to promote his catalog.

858
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely smart of songs than you would ever imagine. I mean,

859
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: he has a company called MPL Communications, and I had

860
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: no idea that he had such wealth of publishing. I

861
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: mean he owned over a hundred fight songs from all

862
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: the major colleges in the US like Michigan, and I

863
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: mean just unbelievable. Wow. That's how you know Rogers and

864
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: Cowen was all white. I was the only black executive there.

865
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: And David Franklin was Richard Pryor's manager, and he heard

866
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: about me and he called me up and he said, Hey,

867
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm on DA, would you be interested in representing Richard Pryor? Like, um,

868
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, we've heard some good things about you, and

869
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: so he was really the one that jettison the whole

870
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: process of me getting in with Richard, and he actually

871
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: not only did he say he wanted to, but he

872
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: made it a point that in the contract that they

873
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: couldn't assign him to anyone else but me. Wow, that

874
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: was like a huge feather in my cap because at

875
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: that point Richard was a superstar. Or risk I didn't

876
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: make him a superstar. He was a superstar when I,

877
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I started working with him. And so

878
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: to have that feather in my cap as a young

879
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: black you know, just starting off, that was early on

880
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: in my uh you know, ascension. I ended up being

881
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: a vice president and the first black vice president at

882
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: that company, but I signed Richard before that, and so

883
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: it really was a big stamp of approval for me

884
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: that Richard aligned himself with me and gave me, you know,

885
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: some leverage where than that company, uh, you know, some

886
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: respect to be able to bring us a black star event.

887
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, I had worked with a couple of other people, uh,

888
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Marlon mccombers junior were there at the time, and George

889
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: Benson and I work for better black clients, but Richard

890
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: was by far you know, the biggest one at that

891
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: time in my career. And so when you when you

892
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: when you meet a client like Richard, you don't know

893
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: him personally. I was a fan of his and I

894
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: knew his comedy and enormous respect for him, but I

895
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: didn't hang out with Richard. I didn't know much about him.

896
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass

897
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return to Money Making Conversations

898
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. How did you established Like I say,

899
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't your friend, he was your client. How did

900
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: you establish trust with him? Um? You know, I think

901
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: it's just by having um trying to be a voice

902
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: of reason. That was probably my greatest challenge with Richard,

903
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: is to be a voice of reason, because he had

904
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: a tendency of canceling everything and then he wanted He

905
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: was always he was always very shrewd in the sense

906
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: that he knew when he was screwing up right, but

907
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: he wanted to cover it in some way, either by

908
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: a donation or something. Like he one time he canceled

909
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: for a brotherhood Crusade Galla there, you know, Annual Galla, absolutely,

910
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: and he called me at three o'clock in the morning,

911
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, on the day that he was supposed to perform.

912
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: So he wasn't performing until like nine nine thirty that night, right,

913
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: So the morning, him and his girlfriend or I think

914
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: she was his wife. Then yeah, so they called me

915
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: up and I can tell they're like a little buzz

916
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: and whatever, and uh, they were telling me they have

917
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: to cancel the concert, and I go, oh, because of doctor.

918
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: They went to the doctor and I said, what's wrong

919
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: with with you? And it goes well, and she's doing

920
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: the speaking. I can hear him talking to her and

921
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: she says that he has a stron nitis. So I said,

922
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: gottunt nitis. I wasn't even sure what what that meant.

923
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: So I looked with that plase I'm talking to them mother,

924
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: it's a stomach ache. It's a fancy but but but

925
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: but but but but rama, what did you look it up?

926
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was an internet back there, brother,

927
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: you know. I ay, there's no Google or nothing like that,

928
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: the fifties of pages or that without really I looked

929
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: at it at a dictionary. Well, you know, maybe you

930
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: guys should just go to bed and let's just see

931
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: what happens in the morning, because I can't do anything

932
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: about this now. You know, there was no like social

933
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: media or anything. And if I did an announcement of

934
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: press release anouncing that he was canceling in the concert,

935
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I'd have to go to AP or something that and

936
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: actually call it in, right, So I just said, and

937
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: also Danny Bakewell, who was the founder of the Brotherhood,

938
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: could say I wanted to talk to him first and

939
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: come up with the strategy and how we were going

940
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: to deal with this, and Richard said, you know, you know,

941
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: And so I got him to trust me, to let

942
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: me handle it the way that I thought would be

943
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: best for So I caught Danny in the morning and

944
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I Ritchie wants to cancel, but he's willing to give

945
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you guys ten thousand dollars. He wants to do a

946
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: national release. I don't want to do any press release

947
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: if we can avoid it, since nobody, you know, it's

948
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: an LA event. It's not known that all across the

949
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: country that he's even doing it, right, And Danny thought

950
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: he agreed and thought it would be better if it

951
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't get out that he was going to not be there,

952
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: and anyone of them tickets. He wanted them tickets. He

953
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: don't want to lose those tickets. I know Danny very well,

954
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: very good, Okay, no problem. I said. What I'm gonna

955
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: do is I'm going to get a statement from Richard.

956
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: So I called Richard up. I told him and said,

957
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I look, I talked to Danny. Here's what we're gonna do,

958
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: going to save you some embarrassment or whatever, and he agreed.

959
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's always like for me when

960
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: you're run into a crisis like that, it's the past.

961
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: How do I solve it? How can I get him

962
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: to trust that my decisions you know that I'm suggesting

963
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: to him can be effective on his behalf. And once

964
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: you do that a couple of times with even someone

965
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: like Richard, he knows once that he can trust you.

966
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 1: But also to it became a disadvantage because he knew

967
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: that I'd be able to take care of it some way.

968
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: I figure out some way to take care of you. Absolutely,

969
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: your blessing and your skills can become a curse because

970
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: he knows you're going to cover it. Son, Danny did

971
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: get me because the whole idea was I was going

972
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: to have him read this statement from Richard to make

973
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: the announcement that Richard was donate thousand dollars and I'd

974
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: never mind. Danny. I don't even talk to him on

975
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: the punks. When I get there, I meet him, I said, well, Danny,

976
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: here's the statement that Richard wants you to read. And

977
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: you know you can say the tim down. Sure, I'm

978
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: not reading that. You said you're here, you're this guy.

979
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: Tell him here showing up. I love it. I love it.

980
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: Big lesson of that was one part that I had

981
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: not prepared prepared for. Danny Stanna get you want that money,

982
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: but you gonna take those slings and arrows now. But

983
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: he's a good guy, really good guys. He's five thousand

984
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: black people that so that they paid all that money

985
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: for it was not going to show up. Said that

986
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: was a higher Then you got me on that one.

987
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Danny got me good. Absolutely. You know I'm talking to

988
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: true trail blazer. Ramona Hervey, The Second h Richard, Pryor Bett, Miller,

989
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Paul mccarton, a Little Richard, the Bgs, Quincy Jones with

990
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: the Weird Soundtrack, Harry Belafoni, Herb Albert, Peter Frampton, The Corpenters, James,

991
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: con Nick, Nolty, Rick James, now Rick James. That was

992
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the Richard Prior of the music side

993
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: for you right there, lyon Ritchie or with the Convodos,

994
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: Don Kneas or Groundbreaker. When I was reading the book,

995
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: I also had a great story about lou Brock that

996
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: will You represented when he was and how he was

997
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: fighting racism and how certain people were. I love the

998
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: phone call you had with the senator who basically used

999
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: every derogatory name, but you was. You was peaceful, You

1000
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: held Joe calm, but you had to deal with all

1001
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: these different things, these different levels of incindiary type conversation

1002
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: because you were black. But you had to hold your

1003
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: ground and be the professional all the time, correct Ramon, Yeah,

1004
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: you have to pick and choose your battles, you know.

1005
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: And at that time, like I said, I was the

1006
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: only black executive there, and you know a lot of

1007
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: my clients we were all and my peers we were all.

1008
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: You know, the book is really a hybrid and it

1009
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: really does tell my story, but it also talks about

1010
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: the systemic racism that it just in our industry and

1011
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: how hard it was for me and other blacks. You know,

1012
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: to break into the industry in and actually earn the respect,

1013
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to move up the ladder

1014
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: and get the kind of money that our white counterparts

1015
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: were getting. Because what you know, this was in the

1016
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: seventies when I first started off, and that's literally was

1017
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: less than a decade, you know, the height of the

1018
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: civil rights movement. So the industry wasn't really that fast

1019
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: to make changes. Uh, you know, in the other part

1020
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: of society, they were resistant to change, and they were

1021
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: resistant for letting black people in. So you have to

1022
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: really be strategic and know that you had to do

1023
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: above and beyond what was expected in order to you know,

1024
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: move the needle. Well, you know, your book is incredible.

1025
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Ramone Herving the second his book, The

1026
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: Fame Game Insiders Playbook for Earning your fifteen minutes. He

1027
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: shares insights and never before seen a toll antidotes from

1028
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: the trailblazing career that he's representing the Force Superstars. You know,

1029
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: as we close out this interview, sir, you know, I've

1030
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: been fortunate to live life in Hollywood, New York, that

1031
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: whole behind the scenes that the world is everybody wants

1032
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: to get into Everybody wants to be a part of

1033
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: it because it looks so easy because they always see

1034
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: the final product. They don't see the struggle to the

1035
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: final product. And it's and it's people. And we see

1036
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: how the PR industry has changed because of social media,

1037
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: because of the fact that some people can don't have

1038
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: to have talent to get that quote unquote fifteen minutes

1039
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: of fame and I'm making money, not so much time

1040
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: to their talent, but some little skills that they've developed.

1041
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: And it's got followers, and it's followers turn into income.

1042
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: It's social media is the one dynamic that's truly the

1043
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: difference between when you were breaking ground and how it

1044
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: is today. Well, I think it is a yeah, it's

1045
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: having a major influence, but I also like to tell

1046
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: people to just sit back and reflect that it's only

1047
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. It's like a teenager in terms of

1048
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: a media platform. You know, most of the major media

1049
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: social media channels which would be LinkedIn uture Facebook, Instagram,

1050
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: they all start even like MySpace, they all started somewhere

1051
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: between two thousand and four and two thousand and six,

1052
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until two thousand and ten that they

1053
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: actually reached mass appeal. So you know, whenever you're going

1054
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: to change your whole life and your whole in the

1055
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: society and everything based on a media that is still

1056
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: very young, it's still in its very you know, embiotic stages.

1057
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: I think, only a little over a decade. That's not

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Speaker 1: long compared to television, which is was invented originally in

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Speaker 1: the thirties but didn't reach homes until the fifties, and

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Speaker 1: then radio was even in the eighteen hundreds, you know,

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Speaker 1: So you have all these other platforms that we've been

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Speaker 1: using and you know, been influenced by for so many years,

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Speaker 1: and then yet we're letting this one platform really and

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Speaker 1: I think the problem the difference with social media that

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Speaker 1: has affected people's perception of fame or wanting fame over success,

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Speaker 1: Like Working for Success. In my book, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I do say is that famous not a destination. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's an alcolating and honor that you get from a

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Speaker 1: byproduct of being successful. I don't know any any famous

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Speaker 1: people that aren't successful first, So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: wealthy people that aren't things right, you can be wealthy

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Speaker 1: and you can be successful without fame, but it's very

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Speaker 1: hard to be famous without success and wealth. Well, it

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Speaker 1: is a difference. Many times I make famous. People say

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Speaker 1: if I can make this money without somebody recognize me,

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Speaker 1: I show enough would do it again. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to come on money

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Speaker 1: making come with these the mastercalife, brilliant readbandon for me personally,

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Speaker 1: since I spent so many times in hollow Would I

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Speaker 1: know your sister who was an incredible executive producing writer

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and a lot of names, Bill Hammond Haymond

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Speaker 1: who was one of the great live event producers, did

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Speaker 1: all the golf tournaments for Steve Harvey back when I

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Speaker 1: was managing them in Los Angeles. A lot of names.

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Speaker 1: Bi huh, I can his first job, well, well, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that in the book, which he, like you said,

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Speaker 1: and the band he worked on a project there his

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Speaker 1: first experience with life absolutely and and like you said,

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Speaker 1: he took that and made a business out of it.

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Speaker 1: Very successful. I guess you could say worldwide, because he

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Speaker 1: too events all over this world. Man Bills a baller.

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Speaker 1: But again, thank you for taking the time to come

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Speaker 1: on the show Man. Happy holidays, and I appreciate you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you appreciate the time. Thank you so much. You've

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Speaker 1: been listening to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: You are now tuned in to the Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: Minute of Inspiration with Rashaan McDonald. Hi'm Rashan McDonald for

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation Masterclass with your daily Minute of Inspiration.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Talked to Leave. She's an intuitive

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Speaker 1: life coach and author Tosh Leith Hamilton. She talks about

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Speaker 1: how to develop a roadmap to your success by analyzing

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Speaker 1: habits and patterns. I'm giving them the roadmap and the

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Speaker 1: tunes and the resources to sixty to give to where

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Speaker 1: they need to be. Now, I include a possibility of

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Speaker 1: your future because I cannot predict anyone to seek you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not God. It is a guy gonna gift, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not God. But based off of what I know

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Speaker 1: you can do to get there, I'll give you that insight.

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Speaker 1: And most clients who listen to me but it almost

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Speaker 1: ends up success. So I'm literally giving you the roadmap.

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Speaker 1: People jokingly say that I'm like a che quote to

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Speaker 1: life because I'm giving you the roadmap of what you

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Speaker 1: need to do to get to where you desire to

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Speaker 1: be your God given purpose. You know, I know what's happening,

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Speaker 1: and I want everyone to just win a life. To

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