1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: weekly Zeitgeist. Uh, these are some of our favorite segments 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: laugh Stravaganza. Uh Yeah, so, without further ADO, here is 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: the weekly Zeitgeist. Hey, who's that? In our third seed, 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: a very funny comedian, the host of the podcast the prodcast, 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: pod yourself a gun, and now pod yourself the wire. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: It's Matt. I'm here, baby, I'm here and uh, you know, 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: good to be back. You know, I was here just 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: the other day and guys we're just like man, Matt, 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: you've got to come back immediately because you just crushed 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: it in the lead. Yeah, you know, more leave, more leave, 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: the betters on the more lead time. I can get 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: a little more lead time on that. And thanks for 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: plugging the you know, the pod, pod yourself the wire, 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: which is, you know, you were on pod yourself a gun, 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: our Sopranos Rewatch Podcast, and Uh, we did all the 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: episodes and now we're at the wire. So, uh, I'm 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: gonna need both of you guys to come on and 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: talk about the wire at some point. It is my 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: favorite show. It's a great show. It's a great show. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you're listening to this right 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: now and you're like, Oh, I haven't seen those shows, 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You can still listen to the podcast. 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: And if you're like, I don't want to listen to 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, that's fine. The most important thing is just 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: giving us five stars in a review on the apple 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: podcast store. That's all I care. Then press play on 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: the episode and then muted and then walk away, because 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: it's literally it's an active charity to do those things. 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Please help. I have a baby. Yeah, there there aren't 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: that many movie TV podcasts that I will give the 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and listen to this and if you're not 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: watching the show, but yours is one of them, because 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: it is a comedy show and it's fun. It's fun 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: to listen to. Although you should watch the fucking wire 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: in the Spa, absolutely watch it's good to not watch 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: those shows just because it's like, well, I mean, what, what? 39 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: What else are you watching? What's in the way of those? 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: Nothing you're watching is as good as either the Sopranos 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: or the wire, and nothing you're listening to is as 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: good as those two. REWATCH podcasts. Pot yourself a gun 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and bought yourself the wire. So please help with the 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: obvious exception of the daily right, right, right, right, right, right, right. 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. Right, yeah, don't we? We? 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to start a beef here, Matt, but no, 47 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: there's no beef. But it's like, you know, you guys, 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: you guys don't rewatch enough TV on this podect and 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: I think it's been the main problem I've seen in 50 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: various daily like guys comments sections like how come they're 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: not talking about my favorite story? Just exact, completely misunderstanding 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: it as a wire rewatch podcast. I don't remember any 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: of these episodes about the wire where the Queen was dead. 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: That is truly what you get when you, like, launch 55 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a podcast. The first few weeks of episodes, of reviews 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: are just like, you know, reviewing a different podcast than 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: you are titled. Made them think your show was going 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: to be. Matt, I want to okay episodes I made. 59 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: The one where the wire tapping goes completely hay wire 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: and blows up in everybody's face. or Oh, Myer's first 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: on screen gay kiss out there. Oh yeah, moments for me. 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: We just we just did the first Omar Gay kiss episode. 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: So unfortunately you can't do that one, but there's plenty 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: of the wire goes hey wire episodes. That's the thing 65 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: about the wires. Mostly a show about, you know, wires. 66 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Where are you crossed? Yeah, and they do, if you 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, they do constantly say things like this 68 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: has gone hey wire and looks like we've got our 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: wires crossed. Too much coffee for me. I'm wired. It's 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: mostly a choice. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a weird 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: to have such a serious and important show be filled 72 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: with random, self referentialtitular wire buttons. Oh Man, you know what? 73 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: My favorite magazine is wired. anyways, let's solve this murder. Yeah, Joel, 74 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the segments where you're can be 75 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: coming on, telling us about all the movies you've pre 76 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: screened for us and yeah, that that will all be 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: happening soon. What is something from your search history that 78 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: is revealing about who you are? Okay, yeah, so I 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: tried to come up with something. So most of my 80 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: search just rich, I never really looked at was about 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: like things you can do with Tahini. So that's not 82 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: that interesting. Like that's that's like the most interesting thing 83 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: I had, or it's like who's that guy on the 84 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: TV show? That's basically all I use it for. Is 85 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: like when I'm watching TV, a google like you know 86 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: who this character actor is, but my friend. So I 87 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: was asking my friend last night and he's he was like, well, 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: you could tell him. How much do you pe in 89 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: your lifetime? That's something he could Google yesterday. This is 90 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: a younger guy, he's like twenty four, so he's into 91 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And IT Turns Out You pee 92 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: about eighteen thousand gallons over the course of your life 93 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: your average person, and that's about half a swimming pool. 94 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: So no matter how hard you try your whole life, 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: you could only fill half a swimming pool. I mean 96 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: you could probably, like I feel like, you know, you 97 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: could try harder and get up a little bit, but 98 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: your average user, you know, I don't know. I'm like 99 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of Crestfallen hearing that. Don't that's not enough pe 100 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: for me. I feel like I can do better than that. 101 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: Is that not like swimming pool? Well, there's like an 102 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: average swimming pool. I don't know what that means. Look 103 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: at average swiming pool is thirty five thousand gallons. So 104 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I could fill the swimming pool by 105 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the end if I make it. If I'm making it 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: like a long time. Yeah, if you work hard, stay 107 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: hydrated and continue there. There is a power washer going 108 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: in the background just for added effect. But your neighbor 109 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: is trying to fill a pool right now. Yeah, I'm 110 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: almost there, man, I'm almost there. I mean what? Because 111 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: they say you do. Maybe you peep between four and 112 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: ten times a day if everything's going right. Okay, is 113 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: that right? That's what they say. It feels like a lot. 114 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: Four in ten. I guess ten feels like a lot. 115 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: Four feels but maybe not. But we have different size bladders, 116 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: we have different you know, our you know are our peak. 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: We all come from different P backgrounds, you know. So 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: sometimes you'd like to be and then the minute you 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: have a sensation. Other Times you're working and you're like, 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: I think I get away with a couple more. Yeah, hours, yeah, 121 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: just burst like to it's speeds. If you've ever heard 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: this show and been like are they on like one 123 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: point five time, like what? What? Why is this double speed? 124 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: That's you're doing. You're about the show's about Your Rat pee. 125 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: That's me. That's me, having to tea. Yeah, but anyways, 126 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. I figured I had to fire. I figured 127 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: that Hee's gonna do something about how how much we 128 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: pee in our lifetimes. I just you knew that coming in. Yeah, 129 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm also curious. What can you do with Tehiny, though. 130 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm also interested in me, I ate. I started eating these, 131 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: like not because I'm like a particularly healthy person at all, 132 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: like but I just started eating these macrobiotic lunches years 133 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: ago that are like, you know, just steam vegetables and 134 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: like Tofu and this techini sauce, and I got like 135 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: everything else. You know, kind of get sleepy after lunch 136 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: and this would just feel like running through a wall, 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: and so I don't know. Then I got obsessed with tehiny. 138 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I like I could put tiny on anything, like just 139 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: you know. So I'm always trying to figure out different 140 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: versions of and again, that's why I didn't choose it, 141 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: because was kind of boring. You know. I just like 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, can you put teeny instead of, you know, 143 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: mustard on this thing? And you know, like just trying 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: to come up with different yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I 145 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: love Tahini and I when I remember when I found 146 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: out it's like in desserts too. I was like, this 147 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: thing is the most fucking malleable sauce I've ever seen. 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: They make a like a healthy Nantela that my wife ordered, 149 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: but it's all it's all says to me to heiny 150 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: based and there's like a little chocolate in it, but 151 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: it's great. It's like it's amazing. I gotta remember the 152 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: brand name, but I like to have the jar. The 153 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: chocolate hummas really fucks me up because it does taste 154 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: so good, but I don't know, like my brain doesn't 155 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: know what to do with it. That really are you 156 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: making a job? Yeah, chocolate hummas. No, no, no, chocolate, 157 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: this is like something you can get it Ralph's. Yeah, yeah, 158 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: for the first time, like we're doing too much trader Joe's. 159 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: And then every listener was like you think it looks 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: and sounds fucked up, and then you'd eat it and 161 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: then you realize you are fucked up. Then you realize 162 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: you are the one. You are the fuck up one, yeah, 163 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: othern the other reason I bring it up is the assault. 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever had like a millionaire bar with Tahini 165 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: and Caramel? My God, you make your own salted caramel 166 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: with like a cookie base and like this Caramel Tahini 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: filling and you gets like Vegan, excellent dessert. Wait, what 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: do you mean? You make your own? What do you 169 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: what is someone? So the second I've never had. I've 170 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: never bought a millionaire bar, but someone like made it 171 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: like a home recipe, like they made it on their own, 172 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: and ever since then it's one of my favorite desserts 173 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: that I've had involving Tahini. All Right, I'm googling that 174 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: right after millionaire bars. Yeah, all right, wow, millionaire bar. 175 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that. Yeah, I maxed out 176 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: at the grand bar. What is something you think is overrated? 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: Oh wait, what did I write down? What's something I think? Oh, 178 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: this is controversial. So I did not think I was 179 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: going to jump right into controversy. That's something that, as 180 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: an expert, I've leave US overrated. Is Recycling. Okay, okay, 181 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: you didn't think I was going to say that. I'm 182 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: not saying don't recycle, but if you if you learn 183 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: more about that quote recycle. Effective recycling is, you will 184 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: learn that it is a freaking disaster. Um, the whole 185 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: system is a hot mess and recycling does not reach 186 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: or even come close to reaching the goals we think 187 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: it does. In a lot of ways there's an argument 188 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: it does more harm than good, like it takes a 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: lot of fossil fuel emissions to recycle things, like to 190 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: turn like aluminum or glass into new aluminum and glass. 191 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: It actually, like we have to pollute a lot to 192 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: get that done. There's like so many issues with it. 193 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: So a solution. Please keep recycling, but like even better, 194 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: reduce your consumption and reuse the things that you consume. 195 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: So like emphasis on reduce and reuse. Recycling is overrated. 196 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I was I was shamed by my reusable shopping bags, 197 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: like the thick plastic ones that a lot of the 198 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: stores got around, like the thin bag bandwid. They're like, well, 199 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: now we give reusable ones out, and I was just 200 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: like I could make a submarine if I melted all 201 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: this plastic down like full size stick. Yeah, and I 202 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: don't throw it away too, because part it is like 203 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: you can't recycle this ship and I'm like I don't 204 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: want to waste it. So then eventually I am able 205 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: to use those a little bit better, but now I 206 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: always bring my big ass like reusable bag canvas to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because, yes, 207 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: I've I've been thoroughly just put into a state of 208 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: panic over like how terrible I am with that kind 209 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: of stuff. Reduce and reuse. That's the way. Yeah, and 210 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: it's wild how much packaging stuff too, like says it 211 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: has like a recycling logo on it. Yet you have 212 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: to go take some things like specialized places. You can't 213 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: just put that in like your city recycling cancer. I learned, 214 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: you will die. I recently learned again I has got 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: a whole like proper education on this, so now I 216 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: can speak as an expert. I've recently learned that in 217 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: like several states in this country it is legal to 218 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: put a recycling symbol on anything, even if it's not recyclable, 219 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,119 Speaker 1: and people use the loophole. It's just good market for recycling. 220 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like saying, like 221 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: if you can figure out a way to recycle this, 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: go ahead, but we're we don't have a way. Yeah, yeah, 223 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: it's wild, it is. It is so exactly, so American anyway. So, like, 224 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: don't think you're doing something by recycling. It is overrated. 225 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: There are better ways. Reduced Reuse at a minimum I 226 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: just like to collect those plastic bags that have the 227 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: big recycling thing on it, because it proves that I'm 228 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: into I'm here to save the Earth. Many of those 229 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: conscious yeah, what some of you think is underrated, underrated 230 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: gravel bikes, which, Um, is a type of bike, in 231 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: between bike. Yeah, the in between bike. It's like more comfortable, 232 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: because I was shopping for a bicycle and I was 233 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: trying to decide. I've been like cycling a lot more 234 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: and I wanted to up my bike game. So I 235 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: was looking at these really expensive bikes and I'm like, 236 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't really know if I can spend this type, 237 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: because bikes are really expensive, if I can spend this 238 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: money on it. And basically, what I was told is 239 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: that for what I do, like what fifty to sixties, 240 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: seventy miles or a a week or whatever, like it's good 241 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, that's right, and that's and yeah, where 242 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: are you going to give up your car? No, I'm sorry, 243 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: I have I drive it around on my car. I 244 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: got a bike for my car and I put up 245 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: my car and I drive it around fifty to seventy. 246 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Do you keep the doometer on so that like just 247 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: you're riding that fast. This P so cool. I put 248 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: on the Apple Watch Um, and so, basically, I what 249 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: I learned is that a gravel bike, especially now, because 250 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: streets are just such awful ship and you are so 251 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: streets are gravel with big holes in them. And essentially 252 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: it has a larger, slightly larger tire and it's a hybrid, 253 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: so you can still go fast on the road if 254 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: you want to, like, you know, if that's something you're into, 255 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: but also when you go to these bumpy, more hazardous 256 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: terrain things, you know like you are still comfortable, like 257 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: you're not going to be shaken out of your mind. So, yeah, 258 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: if you're looking for a bike and you're not trying 259 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: to like enter a major race, I I've really, really 260 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It's a road bike you don't have to 261 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: trip about if you start seeing dirt in front of you, 262 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: and it's a mountain bike that won't feel super fucking 263 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: slow just on asphalt. Yeah, perfectly, but yeah, yeah, exactly, 264 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: and look shout out all the bikes that gang, because 265 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: I was. I was also, I gotta buy recently, but 266 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: I got electric bike just to kind of like zip 267 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: around like where I live. So I don't have to 268 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: use my car. I was also looking at that thing. 269 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: My God, Damn, these bikes for so much fucking money. 270 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: But then at the end of the day you're like, 271 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: if I'M gonna put a lot of time on it, 272 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: then like you can kind of begin to rationalize, like 273 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: why a quality bike is that? Yeah, I'm not. I 274 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: don't it will be a long time since I buy 275 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: a bike that is thousands of dollars. Is there anyway? 276 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Just everything is expensive right now, like I I feel 277 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: like everyone, everyone I talked to WHO's like in the 278 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: market for something. Like my car lease is coming up 279 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: and I like went and met with a Volvo dealer 280 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: and they were like yeah, so you're looking at like 281 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: it'll be like to at least two times what you 282 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: used to pay for current car for the past three years, 283 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: like at least two times. They're like yeah, it's just 284 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: the way the market is right now, is it? Well, 285 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: the cars are right now, especially because of the tech 286 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: supply chain and stuff, but that's definitely taking out. Where 287 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: are we trusting that? I feel like we just gave 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: everybody the license. We were just like inflation, and then 289 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: everyone was like dope and raise their prices like three 290 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: times the I still go by the same thing where 291 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm like if it's too much, I'm like no, no, no, 292 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm doing that. I'm good, I'm good. I went to 293 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: this one place where they were showing me a bike. 294 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: It was six thousand dollars and in my vanity I'm 295 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: like maybe these big legs of mine deserve as thousands, 296 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: which is not even it would financially ruin me in 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: my body, like legs like those. Nah, you're gonna need 298 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: one of these six thousand dollar guys. And then I 299 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: started blushing and I lost my ability to see. And 300 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: that's how that's how you get me. And and they 301 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: have like electric like the brakes were, the shifters were electrics, 302 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: so you don't have to press the shifter too hard. 303 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: And there's still a bike that you peddle luxury, which 304 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: is crazy. It's a crazy luxury. And I went to 305 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: this place called a t x bikes in Austin and 306 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: they like found me a bike. It's like, you don't 307 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: need any of this ship, like just get this bike, 308 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: and I did, and it's just get spike, take those 309 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: plumpers coming out of your pelvis and put them on 310 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: this bike and I was like that's the most disgusting 311 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: way to speak I've heard. Oh Man, uh, let's see. 312 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: And so, all right, let's take a quick break, we'll 313 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: come back. We'll talk about the return of Q. and 314 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: we're back and we are joined by superproducer, Trisian mccarrygee 315 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: too good to be here. Yeah, so you, Um, you know, 316 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: we're reading through Dr Ray's work and listening to her 317 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: podcast and you begged us to come on to talk 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: to her about just kind of yeah, I mean that 319 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: you put together a nice story, just like highlighting some 320 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: of the really fascinating aspects of her work. So you 321 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: want to change through it? Yes, of course. Um. Yeah, 322 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: so I was reading about your work, Doctor A, and 323 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: it was amazing. First of all, I would recommend that 324 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: everyone listens to your podcast, going wild, as the name right, 325 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: going wild with ray grant, named it after myself, smart. 326 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: And so I was reading, I was seeing all these 327 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: really adorable pictures of you with baby bear cubs and 328 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: with like snakes and lemurs and all these other animals. 329 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: It was great, Um, but as I was, as I 330 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: was looking through these photos and just reading about your work, Um, 331 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: in you know, this hard science part of it, as 332 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: well as environmental justice. Um, I was just thinking a 333 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: lot about people of color in nature in these fields 334 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: that focus on the outdoors. I love the outdoors. I 335 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: really like long distance cycling and trekking and all these 336 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: other adventures for type things, but it's so rare that 337 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: I see other people of Color, Um, while I'm doing 338 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: these things. So I know that you've also talked about 339 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: this a lot. I wanted to look into why this is, 340 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, the history behind people of color feeling unwelcome 341 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: in the outdoors and what we can do about it today. Yeah, 342 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: you were talking about a book that you read, Black 343 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: and Brown faces in America's wild places. Yeah, so it 344 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: was just this book that I came across a long 345 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: time ago and it was just the most simple concept. 346 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: It was just photos of people of Color in nature, 347 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: like happy walking, you know the greenery. Imagine that. Yeah, 348 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: like and I was actually shocked to see it because 349 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: it made me so happy first of all. But I 350 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: was like, why does this look weird? It shouldn't look weird, like, 351 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: why has society made something to marvel at? You know what? 352 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: Pressure there are some really beautiful photos of Dr Martin 353 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Luther King and his family in recreating in nature. And, 354 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, ever see them, right, like, we always say 355 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: the same we see the same pictures of Luther King 356 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: and like these photos are beautiful and they also seem 357 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: like like strange, like Oh, weird, like you know family. Yeah, 358 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: like like in like a in the forest. You know. Yeah, 359 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's society has given us this idea that, like, 360 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, we've been socialized to believe that people of 361 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: color don't exist in nature. Were like urban only. Yeah, 362 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: and like internalized it to the point where I remember 363 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: being like not, I don't do that. Like white friends 364 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: would be like we're gonna go camp. I'm like, now, 365 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: who don't camp like this? It's not. I'm not. I 366 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: have no concept of people that look like me doing that. 367 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: So it didn't never occurred to me to engage with 368 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: nature like in that sense too. But I'm sure, like 369 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: anything in this country, we have, you know, we can 370 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: all we can draw lines back to an earlier time 371 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: where we completely misunderstood our relationship to each other or 372 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: the land. Right, right. Yeah, it's interesting because I can 373 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: remember even a few years ago, in ads for companies 374 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: like Arii or Patagonia, all these outdoors brands. Um, it 375 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: was all white people and now they've slowly started to 376 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: kind of realize that it's an issue. Um, and you 377 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: see more people of Color in those ads, which gives 378 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: me a lot of hope. I mean I remember the 379 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: first time I saw a South Asian person in Moront 380 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: of those ads and it was great. It's like another one, 381 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: but yeah, so it's changing. But if we go way 382 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: back and we think about this idea of nature in general, 383 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: we think about the white settlers that came to what 384 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: is now the United States and how they really just 385 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: tore apart the lifestyle of indigenous peoples who lived on 386 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: the land before then. They thought if land is something 387 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: that needed to be protected, preserved, something that you live 388 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: in harmony with rather than exploit, in this very capitalist 389 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: settler mindset, that eventually became the norm. And when settlers came, 390 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: they introduced this idea of an untouched wilderness, you know, 391 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: just trees and forests and rivers somewhere where nobody lived. 392 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: And if we dig a little deeper into that idea 393 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: you just see that that's not true, because there are 394 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: people who live with the land, Um, and they live 395 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: on it, but it's still, you know, it's still respected. Um. 396 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: And a proponent of this idea was John Muir, who 397 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: is a very famous environmentalist. I'm sure everyone's heard his name, 398 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: M Yep, and he said that this land should be 399 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: set aside for recreation, to fulfill an emotional need for 400 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: wild places, which I thought was just an absolutely ridiculous 401 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: statement because there were so many people, especially indigenous people, 402 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: who were kicked off that land and like what about 403 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: their emotional needs and what about their emotional fulfillment? Um. So, yeah, yeah, 404 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: but his like his him constantly like romanticizing like the 405 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: wild lands that were basically free of indigenous people, you know, 406 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: really opened the door for this kind of like exclusionary 407 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: thinking and like who gets to enjoy the environment? Like 408 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: would always juxtapose like the beauty of the landscapes but 409 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: these dirty faced, half happy, you know, like just all 410 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: kinds of like terrible derogatory statements about indigenous people, black people, 411 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: and he always would say like he's a quote that 412 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the indigenous people quote seemed to have no right place 413 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: in the landscape, which we saw that kind of like 414 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: extend to like like especially like in colonial Africa, as 415 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: like game reserves are opened up. The same idea of like, oh, 416 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: people have lived here for centuries and I don't know, 417 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: this is a theme park for white tourists. Like the 418 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: Massai people were just kicked out of certain place, like 419 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of history of just like the same 420 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: thinking of like hi, nature, nobody should be here unless 421 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: it's us just looking at it to just take a 422 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: load off. And and that's also like so reactionary. Like 423 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: I agree with what Y'all are both saying, and I 424 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: think John Muiror is such a good example, because he 425 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: is he and his way are romanticized in our society 426 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: because he like he was like thinking about solutions right, 427 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: like there was a problem and he's like, Oh, a 428 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: solution is to do this. But I I get frustrated when, 429 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: like I feel like no one talks about the problem. 430 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: He was trying to find a solution for right. The 431 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: problem was that, like white men on this continent like 432 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: decimated all of nature and then at some point we're 433 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: like Oh, oh shoot, like like we all like if 434 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: we don't stop and like preserve a little bit, we're 435 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: going to have none left. I have an idea, like 436 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: what if we asked John Muir to like create national 437 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: parks for us, like so, yeah, that was a solution. 438 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: It one harmed people, you know too. It didn't like 439 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: work the way we wanted it to. It was completely 440 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: unfair on us, an inequitable but also like like a 441 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: better thing to do would be to like have like 442 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: not done all of that like development of the land 443 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: and destruction of, you know, wildlife and wild communities in 444 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: all places to begin with. And no one's talking about 445 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: that because that was done by the same like Social 446 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Group of people. Right, like Teddy Roosevelt was like we 447 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: need national parks. Teddy Roosevelt like killed countless animals, like 448 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: we cannot count how many wild animals he killed across 449 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: the world. He killed so many animals like for fun, 450 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: for sport, not to eat them, right, and then he's 451 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: the same person being like hey, like let's do a 452 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: national park thing, like that's being environmentally friendly, like what? 453 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: Like these people were hypocrites and it is very unpopular 454 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: in my line of work to call that out. So 455 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate Y'all doing it. I appreciate Y'all like trying 456 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: to really Um reimagine how we talk about environmental history, 457 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: especially from the American perspective, but you know, just in general, 458 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: like our society and like the Environmental Movement does not 459 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: largely accept that these people were problematic. Yeah, which is wild, 460 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: because I remember at the time people were defending I remember, 461 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, the head of the Sierra Club in the 462 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: summer was sort of like hey, if we're going to 463 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: talk about Fort Bragg and these confederates and like renaming stuff, 464 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: we should really look at people like John Muir and 465 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: things like that, and a lot of people like we 466 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: can't be applying these purity tests or trying to say look, well, 467 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: look at all the good that he did, sure, but 468 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: to then like ignore that and also say that think 469 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: there's the way the like the early conservation movement was 470 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: even looking at like what people's relationship was to the 471 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: land kind of put us put a lot of terrible 472 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: momentum behind. Like this ideology now is obviously worth like examining. 473 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Does that like tend like? So what's as it stands right? 474 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: Does that tension still exists between conservationists where some people 475 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: are like we just gotta keep this nice and that's it, 476 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: just conserve that, versus people like, Oh, we're completely ignoring 477 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: the heaviest. It's a it's a mess. It's a mess, 478 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: and I don't want anyone to think that like it's 479 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: doom and gloom and there's no reason to have hope, 480 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: like that's not it. But basically, the model of conservation, 481 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: like toutricious point, has always been a neo colonial, white supremacist, 482 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: patriarchal model. Always, like we don't have a new one 483 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: that is like globally accepted. And so I would say, 484 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: like these days there are enough like revolutionary radical thinkers 485 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: in the conservation movement that are like helping to reject 486 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: these ideas. But in general, like, conservation is still a 487 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: neo colonial force, like both within and outside of this country. 488 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: And I'll just like adding a little science tidbit, right, 489 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: like instead of the like social stuff, like one of 490 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: the main science tidbits that is also Super Che challenging 491 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: is that the majority of wild animals, and in particular 492 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: like large carnivores like I study, like like the big, ferocious, 493 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: like toothy ones, live outside of protected areas, like most 494 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: of them, like almost all of them. So it's like 495 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: many of them live in a protected area, like if 496 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: you go to yellowstone, you're gonna see some bears and 497 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: that is cool, but most bears live outside of yellowstone 498 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: and outside of Yosemite and outside of these places, in 499 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: places that are not protected areas, that are just like 500 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: regular spots. Yeah, and so, yeah, and so it's like 501 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: obviously the protected area system hasn't been a good model 502 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: for many, many social reasons, but also for like actual 503 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: scientific reasons. It's not like hitting its these like they're 504 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: not like fenced. Yeah, these animals are like, oh, like 505 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: I just stepped outside my Battary, like, let me pull 506 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: up a map and make sure. Yeah, yeah, it's like 507 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: it's like largely not. We're king. And yet like protected 508 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: areas have popped up all over the world because a 509 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: few of these men like from a hundred and twenty 510 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: years ago. I thought, like, you know, didn't think twice 511 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: and just like went for it to miles. Your your 512 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: point about like there there was a reckoning with the, 513 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, White Supremacist John Muir and Um, you know, 514 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: his role in founding the Um Sierra Club. So I 515 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: just went to Yosemite with my family and it felt 516 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: like we had traveled to like a monument to John Muar. 517 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: Like all the parks and trails had signs quoting his 518 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: wisdom and there were, you know, stories about him coming 519 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: to the land for the first time like he had 520 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: just discovered it. You know, Um, he looks like a 521 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: confederate general. Uh. And it's you know, you can't decouple like, 522 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: his white supremacist viewpoint from all of that. And the 523 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: work that he's deified for. Is it involves ignoring or 524 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: outright being hostile towards, you know, the people who were 525 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: already there? Yeah, do they have his quotes about how 526 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: he spoke about black people in Georgia when he first 527 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: encountered them? They didn't well trained, they were, as he 528 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, like that's the funny thing, is like, 529 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, we have this way of being like but 530 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: all this other good stuff, but all this other good stuff, 531 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: and that's true. That's true too, and so is this. 532 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: And you have to reckon with all of that and 533 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: you have to say how influential this person was and 534 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: how much like even when they say, like well, he 535 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 1: never like actually supported some of these other racists that 536 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: like hung on to every word he said, it's like yeah, 537 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: but he never actually denounced it either. And that and that, 538 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and that creates the space for other people to be like. Well, maybe, 539 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: and he knew that creating protected areas was destroying communities 540 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: and like know whether it was like direct or indirectly 541 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: killing people, like literally like like ruining people's lives. It 542 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: was people of Color. So it was like that's great. Well, 543 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: the very first like public park, it wasn't officially Yosemite 544 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: yet because it was way back when, but it was 545 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: where Yosemite is now, and that park was created by 546 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: literally just slaughtering hundreds of indigenous people. Um to like 547 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: have that as a space of enjoyment and like hey, 548 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: what could be more American on this place where you ignore, 549 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: like you're having a good time, willfully ignore how this 550 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: space came about and go on with your day. Good 551 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and and like. And let me add because, and this 552 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: is like complicated for me as someone who like holds 553 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: a belief system but still has to like work within 554 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: the controver like the system that my job is. But like, 555 00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: like indigenous people still exist, like like they existed, it 556 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: in abundance in the past, but like they still exist 557 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: in abundance and so like it's not like they were 558 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: slaughtered and died and now we have these national parks, like, 559 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: like folks deserve to have their land back, you know, 560 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: like they're asking for it there, demanding it, like it 561 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: goes without saying it is deserved. And so, you know, 562 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: someone like me, I often struggle with feeling so hypocritical 563 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: because I work in protected areas right, like I like 564 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: study large carnivores and protected areas, while holding the view that, like, 565 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: if I had any power here, I would give the 566 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: land back. Like it doesn't make sense to me to 567 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: like be ringing the bell of like yeah, we're doing better, 568 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: we're creating conservation solutions, we have more animals when, like 569 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: people and communities are still obstructed from from from engaging 570 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: in and stewarding their land the way that they want to. 571 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: I have a good feeling that, like, a lot of 572 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: indigenous communities would choose to like do wonderfull, quote unquote 573 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: conservation work. They probably wouldn't call it conservation, but just 574 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: like conservation is work on these landscapes. But even if 575 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: they didn't want to do that, they should be able 576 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: to do whatever they want. And it's really like attention 577 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: that I have within myself, or I'm like, okay, you know, 578 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I try to give myself a break and say 579 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: this is the best I can do, is like do 580 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: my job within the confines of the structure. But land back, 581 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: in America at least, is like something that like I 582 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: think the people who believe in it don't necessarily have 583 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: the power to make it come true, and that's really, 584 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: really frustrating, because there are people out there who have 585 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: the power and land back is quite literally anathema, like 586 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: it's the antithesis of manifest destiny. It's like what land back? 587 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: Uh No, we got here being like God told me 588 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: I could have this, and now you're saying take back no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 589 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: like I feel like that, like people feel like that's 590 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: like unfair. You know, I have to say actually a 591 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: lot of work in like parts of like like rural 592 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: the rural American West, which is always an adventure, Um, 593 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: and it is interesting because there's like a lot of 594 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: folks out there, like you know. Again, I'll use like 595 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: some cattle ranchers as an example, who are really kind 596 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: of grappling with the fact that, like it's an uncertain 597 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: future in cattle ranching right like just because of the 598 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: economy and society and just the market, like it's just not. 599 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: It used to be super profitable and it's not. That 600 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: guarantee isn't still there, and so a lot of folks 601 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: are kind of like, oh, should our family continue to 602 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: cattle ranch? Should we like sell our land? And I 603 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: just like sit around there being like wow, wow, like 604 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people still consider this to be their 605 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: land because they're great great granddaddy, you know, took it exactly. 606 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: But like I don't see people having conversations about like 607 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: the equitable choice here right which I'd imagine there's a 608 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: scientific argument for all of that, you know, like I 609 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: can't imagine science should argue against like no, no, no, 610 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna build their good custodians of that land and 611 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: we should there. No, yeah, there is a scientific argument. 612 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean worldwide, globally, one thing that that we know 613 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: and that we have been able to prove as scientists 614 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: is that poverty and environmental wellness are directly linked to 615 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: each other. So we cannot necessarily achieve like a healthy 616 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: environment without alleviating or eliminating poverty, and we can't alleviate 617 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: or eliminate poverty without creating a healthy, functioning environment and 618 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: healthy ecosystems. And so land back is a really good 619 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: argument for alleviating poverty in many places, which thus helps 620 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: the environment be healthier and stronger and more resilient. And 621 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: yet it's like it's just like easy. You know, it's 622 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: hard to break out of these molds of which have 623 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: been taught and to really decolonize this whole perspective and 624 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: approach to conservation. But really, like, when communities of people 625 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: are healthy and well, the environment is more likely to 626 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: be healthy and well, and vice versa. Yeah, all right, 627 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, we'll come back, uh, and 628 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: we'll keep talking about this and we're back and let's 629 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: talk about Tiktok. Yeah, speaking of hating the fucking status quo. Yeah, 630 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: because so a recent study from U C L A 631 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: asked teens what kind of stories they wanted to see 632 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: on TV and they're like TV, Huh, for real? I 633 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: mean you mean like this ship my aunt watches? But 634 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean it really shows right that like it's the 635 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: results aren't really surprising, given how savvy like younger people are. 636 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: One of the biggest takeaways that they were talking about 637 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: was that, in terms of Tele Vision content, they do 638 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: not want to see aspirational shows. Less than five percent 639 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: of the respondents in this survey said they were interested 640 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: in shows about kids with like impossible lavish lifestyles, like, 641 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, like like gossip girl entourage type ship, where 642 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: it's like, Whoa Fook, Oh my God, take me to 643 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: your world of excess. Not really into that anymore. A 644 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: whopping twenty want shows that deal with real world issues 645 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: like family dynamics or social justice. They don't want sanitized 646 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: portrayals of the world they're experiencing. Essentially, they don't they 647 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: don't care to see these like very, you know, cookie 648 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: cutter like sort of versions of what they see as 649 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: like a world rot with problems that need to actually 650 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: be like wrangled with. Goes on to say, quote, Hollywood 651 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: has built its young adult content on the belief that 652 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: teens want to see glamorous lifestyles and rich and famous characters, 653 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: but our research research suggests the opposite is true. We 654 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: know from this and our racing class in teen TV 655 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: study the majority of teams feel isolated and upset when 656 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: media lack accurate identity representations. MHM, like they are they 657 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: look at that, should go this is not real. Who 658 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: is that? That's not a real person. You know, nearly 659 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: wanted more black male heroes and thirty wanted more white 660 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: male villains. and rather than aspirational stories, they want underdog 661 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: stories about people beating the system or overcoming oppression. MHM, 662 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: like it's like truly the status quo of like and 663 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: everyone lived happily ever after in their impossible apartments in 664 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: the upper west side. Like that's not and that's not 665 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: really moving the needle, and I think, I think a 666 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: lot of like I think young people have felt like 667 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: this for a while. millennials, we didn't really have any options, 668 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: so we were always just like, I don't know what's 669 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: on the big seven channels and we'll kind of take 670 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: that for what it is. But because, as of social media, 671 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: it's offering a lot of people different options. Like these 672 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: kids said that they prefer social media in terms of, 673 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: like entertainment, because it's where the authentic content lives. Right. 674 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: It's there, there's not the barrier and the you know 675 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: that nobody is demanding that every work of social media 676 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: it like goes gets approved by a fifty five year 677 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: old white guy who's completely out of touch with fucking everything. 678 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: You know, like the that makes total sense, and it 679 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: also like things are moving so quickly, and it makes 680 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: sense that this generation would be even more different, for 681 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: like in terms of their tastes and stuff, given that 682 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: like the information and entertainment environment, like ecosystem that they 683 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: grew up in is totally foreign from the one that 684 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: people five years older from them grew up in. Right, 685 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: like you could go on, you could go on TV 686 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: and watch, you know something and CNN, where they're gonna 687 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: be talking about like well, what really is on Hunter 688 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: Biden's laptop? Or you can go on Tiktok and like 689 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: watch somebody make a funny sketch about like American imperialism 690 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: in Asia, right, and you're like damn, this is fucking 691 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: true and funny and a topic that they won't like. 692 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: It's just that it's a subject matter I won't see, 693 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: or all kinds of like any other sort of interest 694 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: you might have, it's sort of either you're gonna get 695 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: this really mainstream, sanitized version on television or it's just 696 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: not there at all, like you're not represented on television 697 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: at all. So of course, you know, like as consumers, 698 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: younger people are like, well, I don't I'm not interested 699 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: in this like sort of you know, monotone version of 700 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: what you know, reality is based on Hollywood development like needings. Right, yeah, 701 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: but the I guess, the problem, I don't know what. 702 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 1: Like people have argued that like tiktok is bad because 703 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: it has like no fact checker working on it, and 704 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: I think that's almost definitely true. I was like, the 705 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: problem with that is like like half the time, like 706 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's like the New York Times doing something 707 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: just absolutely terrible exactly, you know. So then, I mean, 708 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: it kind of goes out the window. Even it is 709 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: a huge problem. You know, you kids get there, like, 710 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: you know, like my like my son is so like well, 711 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, versed in politics, is great, like could and 712 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: he's learned it all from social media, you know, I mean, 713 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: I think. But and he's definitely formulated pretty smart opinions, 714 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: I at least coming from my vantage point, you know, 715 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: like where they're like their nuance, and he's like yeah, 716 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: obviously I don't take it at you know, based value 717 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, but but I don't know if it's 718 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: any better than New York Times. I mean, yeah, I 719 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say that like the Tiktok at least is 720 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: like just like firing random wise at the wall of 721 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: all different the New York Times. New York Times misinformation 722 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: is like coordinated and all going in the same direction 723 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: to the to the point that you are like you 724 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: could easily be mistaken into thinking, mistaken to thinking like 725 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: that is. That's that's just reality. Yeah, I mean just 726 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: on paper they're they're both. There are plenty of campaigns 727 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: on like traditional media or social media that are made 728 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: to create some sentiment that isn't there for sure. But 729 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's like what, what are you dealing with? 730 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: That's different by like looking at the two, and I think, 731 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that they just talked 732 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: about is just if you are, because I think most 733 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: people are savvy, like man, I guess most people that 734 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: I know that are like younger and looking at Tiktok, 735 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: seem to be pretty savvy where there. They don't always 736 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: just accept everything they see is like Gospel truth like that. 737 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: They are a little bit, you know, suspicious. Well, it's 738 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: it's easier to be savvy with those two. I mean 739 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: like with the New York Times, for instance, like when 740 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: I read The New York Times, I still don't understand 741 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: where they're coming from, like you know, like I don't like, 742 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: like what is the end goal with those guys? Like 743 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: you know when when like obviously do a lot of 744 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: great reporting, but like when there's one of these pieces 745 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: that's like just absolutely like pushing this like this agenda, 746 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: this New York Times agenda, we're all kind of like, okay, 747 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: I know what this is like, doing it again, but 748 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: then you're like who's doing this and like why? And 749 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even understand who these people are, like, 750 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: like there isn't like a group of people who really 751 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: support that other than the New York Times themselves. It's 752 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's interesting. I was thinking about this 753 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: with regards to inflation right because that was like a 754 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: question that keeps occurring to me as they write about 755 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: inflation and the story they're telling is like not convincing, 756 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: not interested, like it doesn't it doesn't really hold together 757 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's like based in this world of like supply 758 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 1: and demand, where like it's like the zero gravity theoretical 759 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: world of you know, inflation and you know the rates 760 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: and this, and it's like it it makes me wonder 761 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: if their pitch stories that are more grounded in reality 762 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: and people's like day to day experiences and you know 763 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: what you actually hear on earnings calls and like see 764 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: companies doing, like if they're pitching those stories and somebody 765 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: at the editorial level is like no, right about how 766 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: it's because people ask for too much money and raises, 767 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, like like or or is it that all 768 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: of these? I think it probably is somewhere between that 769 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 1: and all these New York Times. Journalists like went to 770 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: these Ivy League schools that teach you that you are 771 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 1: like a better person, you are a higher, higher level 772 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: of person because of these like technocratic truths that you 773 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 1: are steeped in about, like because you took econ from 774 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: like somebody who is like a world scriding fucking captain 775 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: of industry, and so you like you have very deep 776 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: inside of you this connection between this overarching narrative that 777 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: like it can all be explained with math and, you know, 778 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: moving things around and it is actually a meritocracy like 779 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: that that kind of ties into your overall view of yourself. 780 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: And so, like, at a cellular level, at a like 781 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: journalist by journalists level, they are also like bought into 782 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: this idea of yeah, and all makes sense, like the 783 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: self confidence that just like this is the way the 784 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,959 Speaker 1: world is and I can't possibly see beyond that line. Yeah, 785 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: we'll just hearing from like multiple like journalists of color 786 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: on twitter all the time saying the same thing. It's 787 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: like they talk about the world through this worldview because 788 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: the only people they were recruit are coming from a 789 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: similar worldview. So it doesn't even occur to question what 790 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: their beliefs are. And on top of that, you're rewarded 791 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: by the editor based on what your takes are. So 792 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: if your take is a or employer friendly view of 793 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: the economy and not a worker oriented view of the economy, 794 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: an editor might reinforce that by being like, well, that 795 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: person gets a lot of fucking work, like they get 796 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: in the paper a lot more than I do because 797 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: they're talking this way. And it's like any job where 798 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: you look at, Oh, my boss likes this more than this, 799 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: and to stay stable in my job, there is a 800 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: certain amount of like tailoring I will do of my 801 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: own personality or interests to stay in my job, to 802 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: get the plot it's that I want, or the positive 803 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: attention I want from my boss, etcetera, and it just 804 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: kind of and it's and it services itself because at 805 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, all of these people benefit 806 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: from the status quo and there's really like so, yeah, 807 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: of course it's bend, Bend over back where it's trying 808 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: to normalize like fascist people like in the US, because, 809 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: like what, what are you gonna do? Have a like 810 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: a real sober analysis on like what what like what 811 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: the world looks like through the eyes of someone with 812 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: less money, because that doesn't really happen. When we have 813 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: people on here who like guests on on the show 814 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: who are like journalists or like, you know, their freelance journalists. 815 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: They're people who work like with mainstream media outlets to 816 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, produce a podcast or something like. They work 817 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: in some way in the world of nonfiction. A lot 818 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: of times, the sentiment like that they seem to give 819 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: us after we like stop on the recording, is wow, 820 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: so you guys can just like tell the truth on 821 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: here like that? That's that's crazy. Like it like that. 822 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: They there's just an unspoken thing at a lot of 823 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: the places that are like major media outlets that you 824 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: have to sort of curb what you say, like in 825 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: order to get it published, like you need you need 826 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: to be sort of dancing on both sides of this 827 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,240 Speaker 1: thing instead of just being like no, this is funny, 828 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,439 Speaker 1: this is fucked. I don't know why we've out away 829 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: with it for so long, but that it's crazy to me. 830 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,239 Speaker 1: Do you know who like the of course, and I 831 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: think that that shows right that in certain spaces, like 832 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: you're just conditioned to know that in a given industry, 833 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: certain topics are just like third rail issues, and not 834 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: to say that it's like third rail and that like it's, 835 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: you know, a fatal mistake you'll make in your in 836 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: your career, but it's something that, if you engage in, 837 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: has consequences on some level, whether that means you're you 838 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: may not get the kind of looks that you'd want 839 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: to get into like a you know, maybe more mainstream publication, 840 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: or even if you're not even necessarily dealing with news 841 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: that within a given field of study or whatever, things 842 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: are just spoken about a certain way and to to 843 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: run counter to that is like you become a boat rocker, 844 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,320 Speaker 1: and I think we still, like there's still many areas 845 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: where like boat rocking is absolutely like I know, no, 846 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, and there are other places where, only recently, 847 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: it's like okay, let's maybe, you know, let's not completely 848 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 1: throw someone in the rubbish pile because they're pointing out 849 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: systemic racism like that. Used to be shipped. You couldn't 850 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: really say yeah, well, I mean if you look at 851 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: that like that, I'm not well versed enough about this 852 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: to talk and a recording because I can't remember that much. 853 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: But like the New Yorker Story, where there was there 854 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: was a New Yorker journalist who I believe the woman, 855 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: I think she's a black woman, who kind of called 856 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: out the New York and I think New Yorker is 857 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: just like an example of like Oh man, like I, 858 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, do trust so many people, like they're just 859 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: like Steve Cole or Dexter Filkins, like those are some 860 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: books of like New Yorker Writers and I'm like, oh, 861 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: those are great, you know. But like everybody turned on her, 862 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: like David Red Nick Turner, like they just sold her out, 863 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: sold it on. I don't know if you guys know 864 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 1: more of that story than I do. I just remember 865 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,759 Speaker 1: kind of reading it on twitter and this is like 866 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: the most half past recital of it. But like that, 867 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, as like in the last year, in the 868 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: last like three months, I think, you know, like yeah, 869 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: she like she sent out like a company memo or 870 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: something and then just got like right, just run out, basically, 871 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like that's like the place where 872 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,919 Speaker 1: you'd be like that wouldn't happen, because those people are 873 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: smart and decent and wonderful, you know, or so you know. 874 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people would say that. So 875 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: it's it's just a surprise, you know, there wasn't more 876 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: backing for her, you know. And Yeah, I love The 877 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: New Yorker. I love telling people when I read an 878 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 1: article in the New Yorker and talking about it and, 879 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, just practicing reading comprehension. So I look smart. 880 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: But the but they like I've I've had my eye 881 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: on them ever since, ever since they covered Havana Syndrome 882 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: with just like perfect credulity and like basically ci a 883 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: talking points, I've been like Huh, like maybe maybe there's 884 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: more there than me c I. Because they have great writers. 885 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: But like that doesn't stop them from having government contacts 886 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: that they trade information for or you know. But yeah, 887 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: that does. Any mainstream journalistic institution at this point, I 888 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,959 Speaker 1: feel like, is probably, you know, prone to this sort 889 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: of thing at least. Yeah, well, and I think I 890 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: think the biggest like we just have this pattern in 891 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: the world, especially in America, where like, if there is 892 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 1: an adjacent controversy to something that's like a truth, it's 893 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: much easier to pour all your energy into the adjacent 894 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: controversy than to like examine the real thing that you 895 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: need to so, rather than looking having a full reckoning of, 896 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, the effects of white supremacy in every industry, 897 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: it became about white supremacy in policing, and then companies 898 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 1: were able to do this thing of like yeah, and 899 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna and we're getting into it too. Yeah, WE'RE gonna, 900 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna check, yeah, we're we're also going to really 901 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: heavily invest in this without sincerely doing it. Man, places 902 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: have not sincerely do it, because I think that there's 903 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: just like this pattern of like, well, if you grapple 904 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: enough with the adjacent thing, you you can avoid having 905 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,800 Speaker 1: a real reckoning with your own ship, but you better 906 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: go all in on whatever the scandal dejure is, because 907 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: if you don't put all your energy and critique into that, 908 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: then you will be seen as someone who's not taking 909 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: a look at the truth here. And we see this 910 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: all the time. That happened. Even with like the Russian 911 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine, it was much easier for the media 912 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: to be like, I can't believe a country would invade 913 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: another country. That is absolutely are war crimes this guy, 914 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: this is unbelievable, while avoiding our own history as a nation. 915 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: Doing that. Many other controversies that are comparable, but because 916 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: they are not white faces, we'll just ignore it. So again, 917 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 1: adjacent controversy gave everybody the license to be like, yeah, 918 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: and now everybody's feeling good about American foreign policy and 919 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: ship because of Russia. It's and will always see a thing. 920 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: It can be any sport or whatever. There's something near 921 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: the truth. Just go all in on that, because then 922 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: you can avoid having to really look at your own 923 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,320 Speaker 1: ship and then you can continue down this blind path 924 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: of like repeating the same mistakes while you know, feeling 925 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,840 Speaker 1: good about the little bit of attention you gave something 926 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. All right, that's gonna do 927 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: it for this week's weekly Zeite. Guys, please like and 928 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: review the show. If you like the show. Uh means 929 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,440 Speaker 1: the world to miles. He he needs your validation. Folks, 930 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will 931 00:53:37,120 --> 00:54:23,760 Speaker 1: talk to him Monday. By