Speaker 1: I tried to get rustle Brand on the show, and uh,
Speaker 1: I actually as Publicism was nice enough to write back,
Speaker 1: I've actually wrote off welcome to the One You Feed.
Speaker 1: Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the importance of the
Speaker 1: thoughts we have. Quotes like garbage in, garbage out, or
Speaker 1: you are what you think ring true. And yet for
Speaker 1: many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us.
Speaker 1: We tend toward negativity, self pity, jealousy, or fear. We
Speaker 1: see what we don't have instead of what we do.
Speaker 1: We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit.
Speaker 1: But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It
Speaker 1: takes conscious, consistent and creative effort to make a life
Speaker 1: worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep
Speaker 1: themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their
Speaker 1: good will. Thanks for joining us. This is Chris from
Speaker 1: the One You Feed podcast, and today on the One
Speaker 1: You Feed we are changing things up a little bit.
Speaker 1: It is our one episode and to celebrate we have
Speaker 1: decided to do the old switcher rou and let Eric
Speaker 1: and I be interviewed as guests instead of us interviewing
Speaker 1: a guest. So for this purpose there is no better
Speaker 1: interviewer than Greg Berg, host of the Life on Purpose podcast.
Speaker 1: If you've never heard of the Life on Purpose podcast,
Speaker 1: it asked questions such as, how do you live your
Speaker 1: life more deliberately? Or what can you do to bring
Speaker 1: more meaning and purpose into your life? And Gregg interviews
Speaker 1: inspirational guests that help us answer these questions. And now
Speaker 1: the one hundredth episode of the One You Feed podcast
Speaker 1: hosted by Greg Burr interviewing Eric and myself. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: this is Greg Berg. I'm the host and producer of
Speaker 1: the Life on Purpose podcast, and I am very excited
Speaker 1: to be asked to come and moderate the one episode
Speaker 1: of the One You Feed and super excited to sort
Speaker 1: of put Eric and Chris on the other side of
Speaker 1: the fence, put them on the other side of the mic,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be asking them some questions about
Speaker 1: the show and how things got started and some other
Speaker 1: aspects of what's happened along their journey through one hundred episodes.
Speaker 1: So very excited to do that for everybody the listening audience. So,
Speaker 1: Eric and Chris, how are you all doing today? Great?
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing this. Cool. So let's take
Speaker 1: listeners back in the way Back machine to the very beginning.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have asked, you know,
Speaker 1: you two host the show together, and it's obvious that
Speaker 1: you've known each other for a long time. So how
Speaker 1: did you all first meet? Well, actually, I believe we
Speaker 1: first met maybe in Washington, d C. On a middle
Speaker 1: school trip. Uh, you know, just when the middle school
Speaker 1: takes you to Washington, d C. Although we really I
Speaker 1: think we maybe just met and didn't really know each other,
Speaker 1: but we did have mutual friends later and ended up
Speaker 1: meeting at the very end of high school, and then
Speaker 1: right after graduation started hanging out constantly. Is that pretty accurate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it was weird. We knew the same people
Speaker 1: for a long time, and but there whatever encounters we
Speaker 1: must have had just didn't click. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we did hang out and it clicked, and
Speaker 1: we were together pretty much every day and night for
Speaker 1: a while until you went off to school. We've been
Speaker 1: very good, good, best of friends ever since. And that's
Speaker 1: a long time ago, upwards of twenty years. We don't
Speaker 1: need to get more specific than that. Where did you
Speaker 1: both grow up? I assume that means you both went
Speaker 1: to the same middle school or junior high in the
Speaker 1: same high school. Yeah, we grew up in a place
Speaker 1: called Worthington, Ohio, which is a suburb of Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 1: which is where we are today and where we record
Speaker 1: the show. Well, So generally a place where a person
Speaker 1: UH is living in their formative years, a place like Worthington, Ohio,
Speaker 1: it sort of informs your worldview and your life view,
Speaker 1: and as you produce the show and as you moved
Speaker 1: your life has some sort of it colors what you
Speaker 1: do in your viewpoints on things. And so I'd love
Speaker 1: to know, UH, sort of asking a Greg question here, Um,
Speaker 1: how your upbringing and going to middle school in high
Speaker 1: school there? How that informed you. I think that my
Speaker 1: response to growing up in a mostly upper middle class
Speaker 1: suburb was to rebel against that idea um, and to
Speaker 1: sort of try and take the opposite direction of you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing important about money and you know there's no
Speaker 1: you know, just the sort of typical punk rock response
Speaker 1: to growing up. I think, in the long term, the
Speaker 1: way that I think the central Ohio and being from
Speaker 1: Ohio's most influenced me is a general I think there's
Speaker 1: just something about Midwest Ohio AND's there's just I think
Speaker 1: there's just a certain friendliness and sort of relatively laid
Speaker 1: back nature to the way certain things are. Not in
Speaker 1: the same way that Californians are, but I would say
Speaker 1: that's probably what I think informs the way I am
Speaker 1: more than anything else. As far as a geographic imprint, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty similar for both of us to
Speaker 1: we probably embody that more now in our later years,
Speaker 1: but yeah, early on, neither one of us was I
Speaker 1: could say we might have both been problem children. The
Speaker 1: A C. D C song, Yeah, it was a favorite
Speaker 1: of both of our. So yeah, well, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: based on what I know about your musical taste and
Speaker 1: some of the musical guests that you've had on your show,
Speaker 1: people you've interviewed obviously that d I y Ethos and
Speaker 1: the sort of you know, we're going to rebel against
Speaker 1: the system and the man. You know, it was obviously
Speaker 1: a big thing for you, And you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest as well, you know, and when
Speaker 1: I think of Ohio, for instance, I think of people
Speaker 1: like Christie Hine, who got out of Ohio, New England famously,
Speaker 1: you know, started hanging out in the punks seen in
Speaker 1: the mid seventies, and you know, people like Devo and
Speaker 1: people many, many, many of the acts pair Ubu, people
Speaker 1: from that era who did want to get out, who
Speaker 1: didn want to rebel, who did want to really create
Speaker 1: a unique sound and and sort of make the mark
Speaker 1: within the context that they grew up in that you
Speaker 1: had in there in Ohio. And so you knew each other.
Speaker 1: You started hanging out post high school. Um at the time,
Speaker 1: were you're making music together? Where you're playing music at
Speaker 1: the time? Yeah, we were, um making music and playing
Speaker 1: music right. You know, as soon as we met, Chris
Speaker 1: was already a guitar player. He was a very good
Speaker 1: guitar player in a very short amount of time. My
Speaker 1: learning curve took a lot longer. Um, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean one of the things we used to love to
Speaker 1: do a lot was just we we used to play
Speaker 1: and sing all the time, you know, go into find
Speaker 1: a hallway with a nice echo and just sit and
Speaker 1: you know, play and then just sing songs that we liked.
Speaker 1: And then it wasn't too long after that that I
Speaker 1: started writing some songs and Chris and I worked to
Speaker 1: record them, and uh, but he's you know been I
Speaker 1: would say probably musically far more active over the last
Speaker 1: twenty years than I have. Yeah, And so what I
Speaker 1: found I'm a musician as well, and I have musician
Speaker 1: musician friends that I've known and and and played music
Speaker 1: with from that era in my life, from high school,
Speaker 1: and I found that there's this very unique bond or
Speaker 1: connection that is obvious. Then now fast forwarding all these
Speaker 1: years to when you're hosting a podcast and you're producing together,
Speaker 1: and there's just something about that connection that maintains itself
Speaker 1: over time. It's it's almost the psychic sort of thing
Speaker 1: that when you when you've played music together over a
Speaker 1: period of time, it bonds you in a certain way.
Speaker 1: And I'd love to know how that informs the show
Speaker 1: now as you produce the show. That is funny because
Speaker 1: I think that Eric actually approached me about doing the
Speaker 1: show originally because it really, you know, it is his
Speaker 1: baby in that way. But I think one of the
Speaker 1: big reasons we both do it was just to hang
Speaker 1: out with each other. So it's funny. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, we could we could either
Speaker 1: be doing this or sitting in a hallway in singing
Speaker 1: a hot house Flower Song Together awesome. I saw Hot
Speaker 1: House Flowers live in the early nine and they're great. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's definitely true. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had two goals and starting the podcast. Go one
Speaker 1: was I thought, if I did this, it would be
Speaker 1: good for me in helping me feed my own good wolf, right,
Speaker 1: it would help me to just keep my mind in
Speaker 1: a positive direction, which my mind certainly needs. And then
Speaker 1: my second reason was I would get to spend a
Speaker 1: lot more time with Chris because despite being best friends,
Speaker 1: life tends to fill up with things and we didn't
Speaker 1: see as much of each other as I would like.
Speaker 1: And so this is, you know, this is forced us together,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much twice a week for for coming
Speaker 1: up on two years now, which has been lovely. So
Speaker 1: it's it certainly has accomplished both those early goals that
Speaker 1: I had for the show. Yeah, and it's quite frequently
Speaker 1: the best part of the week, at least I'll say
Speaker 1: that for me. Oh no, me too, for sure. I
Speaker 1: love it. You mentioned the two Wolves parable, and obviously
Speaker 1: it's the name of your show, but I'd love to
Speaker 1: know how that came into play, Eric, when you were
Speaker 1: sort of thinking about the idea of starting a podcast.
Speaker 1: How that came to be the name of the show
Speaker 1: and the central thesis, that central theme of the show,
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't remember whether I was
Speaker 1: trying to think up the idea for a podcast or
Speaker 1: whether the wolf and the podcast arrived simultaneously. I had
Speaker 1: gotten interested in online marketing for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to go into it, but I
Speaker 1: had a solar company that was was starting to struggle
Speaker 1: after a few good years. I was looking to do
Speaker 1: something different, and then I just remember it hit me
Speaker 1: one day. I was like, we could use that parable
Speaker 1: and it would be a great way to interview people,
Speaker 1: you know, and we'd be able to interview lots of
Speaker 1: different types of people, but would be a way to
Speaker 1: bring it all together and cohere and uh so it
Speaker 1: just kind of came to me and I asked Chris
Speaker 1: and we started pretty much. You know, the next day, Chris,
Speaker 1: when Eric approached you and said, here's what I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: would you say, what were what were your thoughts? Well,
Speaker 1: the thought of doing a podcast, I thought was great.
Speaker 1: My initial thought, I think was can we create a
Speaker 1: show out of just that simple of a concept, But
Speaker 1: it became apparent really quickly that if you tell anyone
Speaker 1: that parable, they will just start talking. And sometimes we'll
Speaker 1: do that, and it depends on the guests. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: you know, focus on that and refer back to it
Speaker 1: throughout the show based on whatever they do or their life,
Speaker 1: and then other other times it will just sort of
Speaker 1: get them. We'll talk about it right early on, and
Speaker 1: then it will just just for some reason opens this
Speaker 1: channel of communication and people just will talk and talk
Speaker 1: and it's great because that was the point of it.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah. So one episodes later, are you're happy
Speaker 1: you made that decision? Does it feel like still the
Speaker 1: right sort of overarching umbrella under which to have these conversations?
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, truth be told. There's times
Speaker 1: I get tired of reading that parable um because I
Speaker 1: do it on this Yeah, but I think that it
Speaker 1: gives me a framework in which to approach interviews and
Speaker 1: things in which is you know, for example, of musicians,
Speaker 1: there's lots of musicians I love, only some of which
Speaker 1: I think would be good to have on the show.
Speaker 1: And I'm really looking at it through the lens of
Speaker 1: is there something about the way to live a better
Speaker 1: life that I can extract from this. And so the
Speaker 1: subtitle for the show is Conversations about Creating a Life
Speaker 1: worth Living, And so that's a slightly broader topic. UM,
Speaker 1: but it gives us a It gives us a lot
Speaker 1: of leeway, I think, to kind of go in a
Speaker 1: lot of different directions. But it also provides a center
Speaker 1: that I think holds things together relatively. Well. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get really philosophical in both of you. Then, And
Speaker 1: since you mentioned the subtitle of the show, how would
Speaker 1: you define in your own vernacular a life worth living?
Speaker 1: I'll start with Eric. I think that it is a
Speaker 1: life that I feel engaged in. Um. I think I
Speaker 1: would keep it that simple at this point. For me,
Speaker 1: is when I feel engaged in life. UM, that feels
Speaker 1: like it's worth living to me. And there are times
Speaker 1: where I have not felt engaged in life. I have been,
Speaker 1: you know, whether I'm wrestling with depression and I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I'm engaged with anything, or I'm self medicating
Speaker 1: or self destructing with drugs. But I think it's when
Speaker 1: my life feels like it's worth living. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think a life is On one hand, it's a funny
Speaker 1: question because I think life is always worth living no
Speaker 1: matter how bad things get. I think it's worth hanging
Speaker 1: on to see because things change. So on one hand,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, some lives are worth living and others aren't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that, But I think that what makes
Speaker 1: you know when we say a life worth living? I
Speaker 1: think what we're saying is a life that feels um
Speaker 1: meaningful and um purposeful to us. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: that's about being engaged in the things that are around me,
Speaker 1: and those things change often in my life, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, oh, it's about this particular thing for me,
Speaker 1: it's really a matter of engagement. Seems to qualify my
Speaker 1: level of contentment and happiness. Yeah, what about you, Chris,
Speaker 1: I really think you know, via various experiences that I've had,
Speaker 1: that we are all looking for the same thing, which
Speaker 1: is happiness. You know, no matter what the angle we take,
Speaker 1: or no matter what the path we take two achieve happiness,
Speaker 1: we all want it, but there's no easy way to
Speaker 1: get it, and there is most certainly no easy way
Speaker 1: to maintain it. So it's it's that whole line, you know,
Speaker 1: from the intro of the podcast. I think the you know,
Speaker 1: constant effort in that's what the podcast is, that's what
Speaker 1: started at. A constant effort for Eric and I is
Speaker 1: going to be at least once a week, right because
Speaker 1: the show is released that way, and hopefully constant effort
Speaker 1: on the receiving end of the listener is going to
Speaker 1: be enjoying that and you know, making them conscious of
Speaker 1: positive things, because if Eric and I skipped two months
Speaker 1: of this, there's every chance in the world I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be thinking about anything relating to positive I mean, it
Speaker 1: just happens that way because we all kind of just stray,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much minutia knocking that out of
Speaker 1: our way in life. So it's great to have it
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, whether or not it's us doing it,
Speaker 1: you know, and that and that applies not only to
Speaker 1: this podcast, but just however you approach your life on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, you have to provide things
Speaker 1: for yourself to head in the right direction and had
Speaker 1: that good wealth. Yeah, absolutely, And I found that Eric
Speaker 1: and I talked about this recently on my show. That's
Speaker 1: oftentimes you teach what you most need to learn or
Speaker 1: you most need to remember, and and sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of you forget it and you need to
Speaker 1: be reminded again and again and again. And so those
Speaker 1: of us who host shows that are under this sort
Speaker 1: of philosophical umbrella. Uh, for me personally, I find that
Speaker 1: that's the case that I need these reminders. I need
Speaker 1: to have these conversations. They really helped me out tremendously,
Speaker 1: and UH, it's my hope that the listeners are helped
Speaker 1: as well. Eric, you mentioned dealing with depression, and you're
Speaker 1: very open about your depression and your struggles with depression
Speaker 1: on the show. And I'm wondering how difficult is that
Speaker 1: for you to be that vulnerable and that open to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about it in a space that's
Speaker 1: public wherever any anyone can hear this and anyone can
Speaker 1: sort of chime in, you know, via the internet. Is
Speaker 1: that difficult for you? I don't think about it very often.
Speaker 1: But what what I do when I have experiences, which
Speaker 1: is when I meet people in my day to day life,
Speaker 1: so like I do some I do some consulting work.
Speaker 1: And when I come when I when I'm working with
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, I'm sitting into your podcast,
Speaker 1: I just listen to your podcast or um, when I
Speaker 1: encounter real humans who are in my life, I have
Speaker 1: a moment, Uh, you know, I have a little twinge
Speaker 1: of like like there's a you know, I'm throwing a
Speaker 1: lot out there, um, but I you know, it's a twinge.
Speaker 1: I think at this point, I thankfully have gotten to
Speaker 1: a place where I'm kind of like, here's who I am,
Speaker 1: Here's what I am, here's what I'm like, And the
Speaker 1: benefits of being myself and and talking about the things
Speaker 1: that I go through far outweigh the negatives to it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's always a little uncomfortablelity, but like I said,
Speaker 1: the benefits way outweigh that. Boy, that's not a great sence.
Speaker 1: Way outweigh, way outweigh that weighs a good far far outweigh. Yes. Indeed, So, Chris,
Speaker 1: what about you? Is that difficult to be able to
Speaker 1: have these conversations where you're referencing parts in your own life,
Speaker 1: difficult passages in your own life, in your own past.
Speaker 1: You know, with my position on the podcast, I really
Speaker 1: never have to do it, but I've I think it
Speaker 1: would be a little more difficult for me, Like I
Speaker 1: might just be more guarded because I never have to
Speaker 1: do it on the podcast, But I also admire Eric
Speaker 1: a lot for doing it. You know, I think it
Speaker 1: would benefit me greatly if I did it. Since I
Speaker 1: don't really host the show, We're going to add a
Speaker 1: new segment called the Confessions of Chris. For each episode,
Speaker 1: five minutes of Chris's Deepest, Darkest Secrets is gonna It's
Speaker 1: gonna shoot us up the charts. Well, you know, staying
Speaker 1: on the on the sort of serious front, if you will.
Speaker 1: Are you've referenced drug use and recovery on the show before,
Speaker 1: and how has that informed what you do now? You've
Speaker 1: both you know that at one point in your lives
Speaker 1: that was part of your lives and so now in
Speaker 1: the in the current place where you're in a very
Speaker 1: different place life wise, health wise, world wise, world you wise,
Speaker 1: what has that done for you to make that journey?
Speaker 1: Talk about that massive? For one thing, Eric and I
Speaker 1: will both agree on this, we would never be doing
Speaker 1: this or possibly anything else but going to work, and
Speaker 1: maybe not even that had we not stopped doing drugs.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no way. Like I know, for myself,
Speaker 1: I was just in so deep nothing was happening, even
Speaker 1: if I told myself, it would or pretended it was.
Speaker 1: There was just nothing going on that was essential to
Speaker 1: just eliminate that from my life personally to stay alive,
Speaker 1: to stay alive, and to even be able to enjoy
Speaker 1: us a single day. I mean the podcast is certainly
Speaker 1: gravy on the top of that, but you know, things
Speaker 1: that approved for me greatly long long before we started it.
Speaker 1: But it's very relevant. Yeah, what about you. I first
Speaker 1: heard the wolf parable in Recovery, and today it tends
Speaker 1: to be more about am I moving in the right direction?
Speaker 1: Am I? Am I being aware? Am I being attentive?
Speaker 1: Am I? You know, it's about being a better person.
Speaker 1: But there, you know, when I first was exposed to
Speaker 1: that parable, it was really about, you know, feed the
Speaker 1: good wolf or you know, feed the bad wolf, which
Speaker 1: is going to very shortly lead to death. Um, so
Speaker 1: it was very you know, it was really serious and
Speaker 1: really bad for a while. But I think that idea
Speaker 1: of I'm going to make choices and decisions in my
Speaker 1: life and I really need to be thinking about and
Speaker 1: focused on making the best ones I can, and that
Speaker 1: I think the other thing is that we need help
Speaker 1: in that. I think that's the other way that recovery
Speaker 1: has really informed everything I do. Was that I didn't
Speaker 1: get clean and sober by myself, and I don't think
Speaker 1: i'd stay that way by myself. And so that's one
Speaker 1: of the ways in which the podcast is yet another
Speaker 1: example of that, which is getting help. You know, hearing
Speaker 1: from others and talk about these things and connecting with
Speaker 1: other people who struggle is part of what makes that
Speaker 1: recovery possible. So as I look on my overall philosophy
Speaker 1: on life, so much of it for me has been
Speaker 1: pulled very much from that recovery process. Yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: hearing from other people who struggle. What's that like for
Speaker 1: you when you hear from a listener who's said is
Speaker 1: I'm having difficulties challenges in my own life and your
Speaker 1: podcast is something that uplifts me because I I hear
Speaker 1: my own journey when I hear you all talk or
Speaker 1: I hear I guessed, you know, giving me tools that
Speaker 1: I can use in my own life on my own journey.
Speaker 1: What's that like for you when you hear that? Boy?
Speaker 1: I know, for me, I will never turn down any
Speaker 1: reminder of how horrible and painful it was. I mean
Speaker 1: not only drug abuse, but just even feeling down or
Speaker 1: having a bad day, you know, even on the simplest level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you know, keeps everybody going because, like Eric said,
Speaker 1: you can't do it alone. And you know, what's it
Speaker 1: like for you, Eric, I think it is, Well, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I mean, the the emails that we have gotten, in
Speaker 1: the contact we've gotten from people, some of them have
Speaker 1: been extraordinarily profound, um such to the point that it
Speaker 1: frequently I'm kind of like, WHOA like it? You know,
Speaker 1: people have used the word changed my life and things
Speaker 1: like that, and that's uh, I mean, I feel I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just a wonderful, wonderful feeling. And my experience has
Speaker 1: been that when I'm able to help other people with
Speaker 1: what I've gone through, that makes that makes it all
Speaker 1: worth it. It takes the regret out of the equation.
Speaker 1: For me, when you transform something that was ugly and
Speaker 1: bad and terrible into something that is useful and helpful,
Speaker 1: that's what you know. For me, that's such a big deal.
Speaker 1: So I love getting those letters and they're probably you know,
Speaker 1: they're probably one of the most important outward things as
Speaker 1: far as success of the show goes, that I care about.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we care about a number of listeners,
Speaker 1: and it's fun to be on iTunes and it's fun
Speaker 1: to get in the charts and all that stuff is lovely.
Speaker 1: My my primary focus is still about me, and this
Speaker 1: is the show helping me be better. It's still about
Speaker 1: spending time with Chris. But that's another one that has
Speaker 1: become one of those things that I really really love
Speaker 1: and it's great to get to interact with with listeners.
Speaker 1: And my experience of meeting people who listen to the show,
Speaker 1: and I've done a fair amount of that, not a ton,
Speaker 1: but some is that I just they're all people that
Speaker 1: I love. I mean, it's just a very much like
Speaker 1: it seems to attract a certain type of person, and
Speaker 1: it's certainly the type of person I like to be around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so who do you think that who do you think
Speaker 1: that audience is out there? Well, who's the who's listening
Speaker 1: out there? You know, because you've obviously had some tremendous
Speaker 1: success via iTunes and via some of the accolades that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, Huffington's Post, you know called you
Speaker 1: the the best health podcast of all time. That's tremendous.
Speaker 1: Those are those are heavy words. Those are heavy words,
Speaker 1: you know. I you know, I get asked that question
Speaker 1: all the time. And the online marketing space is very
Speaker 1: much about who's your avatar, who's your listener? You know,
Speaker 1: you need to niche things down, who specifically are you
Speaker 1: talking to? Are you talking to a forty three year
Speaker 1: old woman who lives in the Midwest, or are you
Speaker 1: talking to you know? And I the all I have
Speaker 1: to go off of right is who reaches out to us,
Speaker 1: Who who engages with this via email? Who signs up
Speaker 1: for the coaching, who comes to events that we, you know,
Speaker 1: we've had in person? And all I can say from
Speaker 1: that is it's a wildly diverse group of people. I
Speaker 1: cannot pin it down to it's mostly young, you know,
Speaker 1: like Tim Ferris to tell you, it's mostly tech savvy
Speaker 1: men between the ages of forty who live in major cities. Right,
Speaker 1: But there's no I can't find a cohering thread except
Speaker 1: that there I think they're thoughtful people who want to
Speaker 1: live a better life, and that I don't think that
Speaker 1: respects any real demographic boundaries. Yeah. So one of the
Speaker 1: things that all of us creative struggle with at times
Speaker 1: is impostory syndrome. You know, who are you to host
Speaker 1: a podcast about feeding a you know, the good wolf
Speaker 1: and the bad wolf? Who are you to host a
Speaker 1: podcast about living a life on purpose? You know? Or
Speaker 1: the dispense advice beyond online column or a blog or
Speaker 1: all this? And we struggle with this. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I find that when I do get to interact with
Speaker 1: listeners or people that are writing in or somehow chiming
Speaker 1: in about the show, and to me, it helps me
Speaker 1: overcome that. Um. And do you find that to be
Speaker 1: the case as well? Yeah? I do. And I also
Speaker 1: think that I try and stay away from impostor syndrome
Speaker 1: by I don't pretend I have all the answers. I
Speaker 1: don't if I did, Honestly, if I knew how to
Speaker 1: do all this stuff, I probably wouldn't be doing this show, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I really had it all figured out
Speaker 1: in life never gave me any difficulty, or I was
Speaker 1: perfectly well adjusted, I doubt I'd be doing this. So
Speaker 1: that helps me stay away from imposter syndrome because I
Speaker 1: have to live in my own head day to day,
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of like God, that is chilling,
Speaker 1: that that that's uh, it's scary in there. It can be.
Speaker 1: It can be. So that could be a whole another show,
Speaker 1: living Living Inside. Eric said, yea, it would have. It
Speaker 1: would John Carpenter movie. It would have twelve moderators, um me,
Speaker 1: twelve people speaking at all at all times. No. I
Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly true, because as you put the
Speaker 1: show out, you always sort of you give this vibe
Speaker 1: of come along with us on our journey. You've never said, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a guru, listen to me. I have the answers no,
Speaker 1: and whatever answers I have, I've gotten kind of the
Speaker 1: hard way by you know, I learned at this point,
Speaker 1: I've been alive long enough, I guess and all that
Speaker 1: that I actually have started to figure out what actually
Speaker 1: works for me in my life. Like there was a
Speaker 1: long time I had no idea, But I think I've
Speaker 1: got a pretty good idea now of how I tick,
Speaker 1: and so I'm able to apply things that make that better.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, any knowledge I have has largely
Speaker 1: been one that way. It's not It's not like I've
Speaker 1: learned it all somewhere else or I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think Eric is great at this. Now I get I
Speaker 1: get to pump up your ego a little bit of
Speaker 1: horse and we call each other horsey by the way. Um,
Speaker 1: I think Eric is great at this and has gotten
Speaker 1: even better actually at interviewing people kind of in the way.
Speaker 1: I think that, like Krista tip, it's a good example
Speaker 1: with being knowledgeable but really equitable to the situation. It's
Speaker 1: not preachy, I don't think ever, Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1: I think preachy turns people off, and I think you've
Speaker 1: start balance or it can turn into that guru thing,
Speaker 1: you know, which some people might be open to that
Speaker 1: or one that or think that they need that, But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great idea. I think Eric
Speaker 1: really does a great job of not doing that. So
Speaker 1: talk me through the process of making a show. How
Speaker 1: does that work for you all? For the people out
Speaker 1: there who curious how this whole sort of pulled the
Speaker 1: pull the curtain open, what's behind the curtain. Basically what
Speaker 1: happens is we have a studio which is in my house,
Speaker 1: and Eric ahead of time, you know, we of course
Speaker 1: we have guests and interviews set up ahead of time. Uh.
Speaker 1: Eric kind of does all the fundamentals and or you know,
Speaker 1: has a great book he read and tries to get
Speaker 1: that person on board for an interview, and then we
Speaker 1: pretty much record the interview and a multi track studio here,
Speaker 1: usually via Skype or phone, and then um, we do
Speaker 1: edit it, I think a little more heavily than other podcasts,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, erk, So it's a little more like
Speaker 1: a radio show than just a straight running live show,
Speaker 1: although we don't manipulate it in any way, but we
Speaker 1: take out coughing, and yeah, we clean it up and
Speaker 1: and streamline it a bit, you know, we put music
Speaker 1: breaks in. I think we've always thought of it as
Speaker 1: treated as like a radio show um versus just a
Speaker 1: podcast where it's just a long form, free flowing talking
Speaker 1: about whatever. And a lot of podcasts that I love
Speaker 1: are exactly that way. So it's not like this is better,
Speaker 1: it's just the approach we chose. And so the editing
Speaker 1: process for us does take a fair amount of time,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we're we're putting in intros and
Speaker 1: we write all the music, which is you know, I
Speaker 1: absolutely love, but it is more time consuming, you know. So,
Speaker 1: like Chris say, we interview, Um, we interview just kind
Speaker 1: of in spurts. It's not like it's one interview a week.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's three or four in a week and then
Speaker 1: none or sometimes it's one a week. But then we
Speaker 1: get together one day each week. Usually every once in
Speaker 1: a while Chris will do the editing by himself, but
Speaker 1: it's largely a joint effort. We sit down and work
Speaker 1: through the editing process. So it's usually about a two
Speaker 1: day a week, you know him and I in person,
Speaker 1: and then, as he said, you know my The other
Speaker 1: part of it for me is and the part that
Speaker 1: I you know, one of the parts that I love,
Speaker 1: although occasionally becomes overwhelming, is thinking of who the guests
Speaker 1: should be, reaching out, contacting the guests, and then getting prepared.
Speaker 1: And I'm still a little bit of a zealot for
Speaker 1: being really prepared by having read their stuff. I've gotten better.
Speaker 1: When we were early on, we had Andrew Solomon on
Speaker 1: and I was really excited to have him on. But
Speaker 1: he had two books that I was particularly interested uh,
Speaker 1: The Noonday Demon, which is about depression, and his newest book,
Speaker 1: Far from the Tree, which was about, you know, children
Speaker 1: with differences. And I was so zealous about preparing in
Speaker 1: those days. I think it was about fift pages of
Speaker 1: reading and I was determined to do all of it.
Speaker 1: Um that is not that has not been that has
Speaker 1: not been sustainable. But I still, you know, make a
Speaker 1: really you know, concerted effort to get through at least
Speaker 1: one piece of what an author has written and and
Speaker 1: have a pretty good idea because I think it's by
Speaker 1: doing that that I'm able to find what I care
Speaker 1: about and what I think fits the show versus what's
Speaker 1: in their press release. Yeah, and I think that that
Speaker 1: really shows. I think that you know, guts are so
Speaker 1: appreciative when an interviewer takes the time to do that
Speaker 1: homework and has, you know, an understanding of their work
Speaker 1: via the ten questions that their press agent sent out
Speaker 1: or the same ten questions that every other person who
Speaker 1: has done an interview asked them. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that as an interviewee, as a person on the other
Speaker 1: side of the mic, they're very happy to hear that
Speaker 1: they Yeah, they they are. And you know, my my
Speaker 1: filter for who comes on the show is whose work
Speaker 1: is interesting enough that I feel like investing my fair
Speaker 1: amount of my time in reading it and doing it.
Speaker 1: It's who am I interested in? Um So that keeps
Speaker 1: it that at least makes the work. Although Like I said,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's overwhelming the amount that needs to be done.
Speaker 1: I think I did three interviews this week and three
Speaker 1: interviews the week before, and so that's just pretty much
Speaker 1: every spare minute is preparing. But it's work that I
Speaker 1: love doing, So it's I wouldn't call it work in
Speaker 1: the same way. I like doing it, but it is
Speaker 1: time consuming sometimes. With that in mind, how come we've
Speaker 1: never interview Justin Bieber. If you claim to be as
Speaker 1: great as fan, he's still a little too big to
Speaker 1: get on the show. I should have just let you.
Speaker 1: We've got it up serious. We've got an upcoming interview
Speaker 1: with a group of believers though that have written a
Speaker 1: story about what it's like to love Justin, so we'll
Speaker 1: air that soon. That is going to be fascinating. So
Speaker 1: you sort of, you know, jabbing at each other, Eric,
Speaker 1: you pick on Chris on the air all the time?
Speaker 1: Is that a real thing between you guys? Not really? Actually,
Speaker 1: I think our dynamic of when we're together and hanging
Speaker 1: out is not like that at all. I mean, maybe occasionally,
Speaker 1: but it's not going to go around a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot. Though. Oh we joke around so mutinously. There's
Speaker 1: been we've We've actually talked before about we wish early on.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, now a hundred episodes later, there's
Speaker 1: no way to go back to every unedited interview we've
Speaker 1: ever done. I mean, there's just so much stuff, but
Speaker 1: all the funny things that have happened when we were
Speaker 1: rolling but didn't end up using them either comments we're
Speaker 1: making to each other or you know whatever. I mean, God,
Speaker 1: I would have cherished to have those all in a
Speaker 1: just a little compilation, but they probably would not be
Speaker 1: uh appropriate for public. We would and it would just
Speaker 1: be it would be one long beep with with just
Speaker 1: a few articles in between your yeah yeah, no joking
Speaker 1: and laughing and is a huge part of it. Um,
Speaker 1: So that is absolutely a huge part of our dynamic.
Speaker 1: But the actual sort of like picking on each other
Speaker 1: or making fun of each other is not really at all.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how. I think honestly that my
Speaker 1: desire to bring more of Chris into the show is
Speaker 1: how that ends up happening. It's just like the easiest
Speaker 1: way for me to sort of be like he's here, um,
Speaker 1: and then he forgot that I don't have a microphone,
Speaker 1: and I can never defend myself on a typical episode.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely Greg, today's your chance. What do you want
Speaker 1: to say, Chris, I don't have anything anything to get out.
Speaker 1: Just love for Eric, Just love. Let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of the music. Tell me about my body betrays when
Speaker 1: you told me that your body betrayed. My sympathy stretched
Speaker 1: over the hill. When you lost our list of things
Speaker 1: not to forget to do because to send it with
Speaker 1: a medical bill. Now we're all bad backs and knees
Speaker 1: and knuckles in agreeence not to Then maybe I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that your body betrayed you once again. But if I'm
Speaker 1: unwell and my hunts back begins to swell, You'll still
Speaker 1: sing to me before we go to sleep. You can
Speaker 1: ring my bell and when we're old, I say, baby,
Speaker 1: you still shine like go and did that boom move
Speaker 1: you sto from Ester do the Beautiful You Beautiful? That
Speaker 1: is a song that I wrote, And it's funny I
Speaker 1: was in this band for while. I was in two
Speaker 1: bands for a really long time, one called Orchestraville and
Speaker 1: the other called the Black Swans, And then I stopped
Speaker 1: doing that. I kind of started writing songs again after Orchestraville,
Speaker 1: which I wrote a out of the stuff where although
Speaker 1: not all of it, but um, I started writing all
Speaker 1: these songs and they were kind of just folk songs
Speaker 1: in a way, which was not really where I came from.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, almost all of these songs I
Speaker 1: wrote during that period were sort of love songs, either
Speaker 1: that or love songs that are kind of channeled through dogs,
Speaker 1: which is going to make me sound like a insane person.
Speaker 1: But that that particular song though something I can't remember
Speaker 1: what triggered that, but something just made me really admire
Speaker 1: the thought of two people growing old together and their
Speaker 1: you know, their bodies are falling apart and it just
Speaker 1: gets really difficult, you know, as you get older, but
Speaker 1: the but the love still remained. And I just really
Speaker 1: liked the concept of that. So that's what that song
Speaker 1: is about. It's one of my favorites you've ever written.
Speaker 1: It nearly makes me cry every time. It's just so beautiful.
Speaker 1: It just blows me away. Thank you. And now back
Speaker 1: to the rest of the interview with me and Eric,
Speaker 1: tell me about grass is Greener. That's a song that
Speaker 1: I wrote, Chris and I recorded, and he's actually the
Speaker 1: one singing on it, and I think it is my
Speaker 1: attempt to combine Zen, Buddhism and the Everly Brothers together
Speaker 1: into one song. Yeah, I mean it's it's very I
Speaker 1: mean you'll hear it, and it's very Everly Brothers inspired.
Speaker 1: And yet the basic point of the song is that,
Speaker 1: you know, it talks about my my you know, my
Speaker 1: tendency to think the grass is greener, my tendency to
Speaker 1: always think that happiness is out there. And so the
Speaker 1: song really talks about how, you know, I'll never be
Speaker 1: happy until I kind of learned to be in the moment.
Speaker 1: So it's I love it. It's you know, Chris singing
Speaker 1: on it, Chris and I and are Frank Keith playing drums.
Speaker 1: Grass is always green, God always a dreamer, a dreamer,
Speaker 1: I could never be happy. I could never be free
Speaker 1: until I left the moment be I could never be happy.
Speaker 1: I could never be free until I see what's right
Speaker 1: in front of me. The grass is always greener, the
Speaker 1: God is alwaysily. So they're gonna be a traveling show now,
Speaker 1: is they're gonna be the one you feed review that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, tours around and play shows out. We could
Speaker 1: do it. I do play keyboards. If you need support
Speaker 1: there you you know for your road show. Indeed, you
Speaker 1: do very well. I had the pleasure, Yeah, Eric, Eric,
Speaker 1: that's how actually how Eric and I met. We met
Speaker 1: in the garage. Literally, we were camp Good Life Project
Speaker 1: and there was a garage band. They had a whole
Speaker 1: garage studio filled with instruments and it was great. And
Speaker 1: our buddy, buddy and mutual friend, Christopher Carter, had organized
Speaker 1: these garage band sessions and a bunch of us showed
Speaker 1: up and you know, Eric plugs in his guitar and
Speaker 1: I'm over at the keys and uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a drummer, bass player and a few singers and
Speaker 1: percussionists and stuff, and yeah, it was It was a
Speaker 1: great way to to meet somebody and to learn about
Speaker 1: the other people you're with, because you know, at the time,
Speaker 1: I had no idea that he was a podcast house.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what he did. And you know,
Speaker 1: we're just communicating as YouTube talked about, you know, at
Speaker 1: a level that doesn't need words, at a different level.
Speaker 1: And I love being able to connect with people that way.
Speaker 1: That sounds so fun to a great way to meet
Speaker 1: crazy fun. Yeah, absolutely, So what are your playing It's
Speaker 1: for the future of the show. Do you think ahead
Speaker 1: in those terms. Do you think, Okay, we're at one
Speaker 1: hundred episodes, man, I'd love to, you know, get to
Speaker 1: two fifty or five hundred or five years from now.
Speaker 1: Do you have long term plans or do you simply
Speaker 1: just take it sort of a month by month. I
Speaker 1: mean a little of both, but there are no clear
Speaker 1: long term plans. The long term plans are to keep
Speaker 1: making a good show. I mean, that's that's the heart
Speaker 1: of it for me, is to keep making a show
Speaker 1: that is good and that I that I like and
Speaker 1: I feel good about. Um. I started doing some coaching
Speaker 1: work this year. I've really enjoyed doing that. I'm working
Speaker 1: on a way to take that work broader than that,
Speaker 1: not too you know, there's a lot of people who've
Speaker 1: listened to the show have contacted me who you know,
Speaker 1: would love to have done the one on one work,
Speaker 1: and you know, aren't able to afford it. And I think,
Speaker 1: I you know, I try and be very reasonable compared
Speaker 1: to other coaches, but you know, there is a certain
Speaker 1: amount of you know, I can't do everything on a
Speaker 1: volunteer basis. So what I'm working on is how can
Speaker 1: I take some of the concepts that have worked so
Speaker 1: well in coaching those clients and make them broader. Whether
Speaker 1: that's an online training or I don't really know, but
Speaker 1: I think that's at least what I've been working on.
Speaker 1: But as far as the show itself, I think it's
Speaker 1: just keep keep doing it. Talking about past guest, do
Speaker 1: you have a number one guest that you would love
Speaker 1: to get on the show someday? Sort of a dream
Speaker 1: guest that, okay, you know, someday I'd really love to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with this person or these three people,
Speaker 1: either of you. Leonard Cohen, Leonard Cohen, I think we
Speaker 1: both agree he would be the number one choice. Leonard Cohen. Yep,
Speaker 1: I love, love, love Leonard Cohen. I was incredibly fortunate
Speaker 1: to get to see him perform about three or four
Speaker 1: years ago at Coachella out here in southern California, and
Speaker 1: he put on a master class and how to age
Speaker 1: gracefully as a musician and how to incorporate everything I
Speaker 1: love about music, performance, poetry, all of the above into
Speaker 1: just one master class. I agree, But yeah, him around
Speaker 1: that time, to Greg, it was crazy. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I just can't even believe it. Yeah, And that the
Speaker 1: funny the funny part was I saw, you know, Coachelly,
Speaker 1: you're sort of you know, moving from set to set
Speaker 1: and seeing all these amazing acts in a very condensed environment.
Speaker 1: And I saw Leonard one of the three or four
Speaker 1: best shows I've ever seen in my life. And then
Speaker 1: I moved over to see another person that had been
Speaker 1: big at one point in my life that I love dearly.
Speaker 1: I love his music. But Morrissey was performing on the
Speaker 1: main stage and all he did was complained. He he
Speaker 1: whined and complained. And I had been a huge Smiths
Speaker 1: fan and Morrissey solo fan over the years, and it
Speaker 1: was such a turn off. After Leonards just incredibly beaming, positive,
Speaker 1: graceful performance, it was like the contrast was stark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. I've seen two Morrissey shows that were
Speaker 1: kind of like that as well, although they were outweighed
Speaker 1: by some of the others that I've seen. But I digress.
Speaker 1: But Okay, so that was I'm Leonard Cohen. I'll put
Speaker 1: in sort of the musical category. Um, any sort of uh, teachers,
Speaker 1: people in the philosophical realm, thought leaders, anybody out there
Speaker 1: that you'd really love to have on the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Pema Choldren on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have um Jack Cornfield, I'd love to
Speaker 1: have the Pope. I would It's a ridiculous, but I
Speaker 1: would love to have the Pope on. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know those are the first two of those are probably attainable,
Speaker 1: not easily. Particularly Pema Choldren, she would be she would
Speaker 1: be very difficult. Um, but the Pope is probably the
Speaker 1: would probably take some form of divine intervention to get
Speaker 1: the Pope on the one you feed or the Pope
Speaker 1: getting just you know, crazy drunk, and I don't know
Speaker 1: we should leave it there. I'm going to throw in
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on the planet that only
Speaker 1: loosely falls into the description you were just giving Greg
Speaker 1: and say, Russell Brand. I tried to get Russell Brand
Speaker 1: on the show and uh, I actually as publicist was
Speaker 1: nice enough to write back, and I've actually wrote funk
Speaker 1: Off very kind of her. She yeah, yeah, she's just
Speaker 1: dream on loser um entertaining interview. I've made a couple
Speaker 1: of attempts at Leonard Cohen. One was through his publicist,
Speaker 1: and his publicist was just like Leonard, extraordinarily great, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, graceful, and kind in his response, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I rarely get notes that nice back from anybody. Um.
Speaker 1: And then another I know somebody who has been involved
Speaker 1: with Leonard Cohen at the monastery where Leonard has studied
Speaker 1: and all that, and he said, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: maybe we could do something, but there's something you should know.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, what's that? He said, Leonard's monk name
Speaker 1: means great silence. So if that gives you any sense
Speaker 1: of how successful you might be in getting him on
Speaker 1: the show. And so that's kind of when I went, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is really a long shot. Maybe we went away
Speaker 1: for ten years, right, there was that ten year period
Speaker 1: where he sort of went away from the public spud lights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of people who went away, I think Cat Stevens
Speaker 1: would be really interesting as well. Another one. I tried
Speaker 1: out back performing as Cat Stevens again, and ye, yep,
Speaker 1: I know he would be. I was just listening to
Speaker 1: some Cat Steven's on the way over. So when you
Speaker 1: all look back at one Dred episodes, do either of
Speaker 1: you have a particular episode that really resonates with you
Speaker 1: more than the others that you're particularly proud of that
Speaker 1: episode or anything that maybe is the most memorable episode
Speaker 1: for you. I think for me, there's so many of them.
Speaker 1: I could really never single a person out, but there
Speaker 1: has been a couple, certainly on a just an interesting
Speaker 1: informational level for me. Todd Henry, who I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: I just for some reason that guy I think is
Speaker 1: so fantastic. And then one of my great heroes of
Speaker 1: all time, Dave Davies, and then another great hero of
Speaker 1: all time, Mike Scott. I just can't even believe they
Speaker 1: were on the show. Kudos to Eric for that. I
Speaker 1: was in a band that covered Fisherman's Blues ones. That's great.
Speaker 1: Another connection we have. And you were in a band
Speaker 1: you told me that covered Blaze of Glory by the
Speaker 1: Alarm and we had people marching on Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in a cover band in the mid eighties,
Speaker 1: so we did a few Alarm songs. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think for me, Mike Scott stand Mike Scott and
Speaker 1: Frank Turner stand out for me. Having them on the
Speaker 1: show was like, what, like, I just you know, when
Speaker 1: I thought of the show, Frank Turner and Mike Scott
Speaker 1: were two of the first people I thought I would
Speaker 1: love to have those guys on, so having them on
Speaker 1: from a personal standpoint was just really it was was
Speaker 1: amazing to me Um as far as guests go, that
Speaker 1: there are so many, and I've learned so many, you know,
Speaker 1: or I don't know. The people ask me what I've
Speaker 1: learned from all the guests, And one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things is so much of it as we as you
Speaker 1: said earlier, is not so much about learning as it
Speaker 1: is remembering and being reminded, and and there's so much
Speaker 1: of that. I think that we had Glenn and Melton
Speaker 1: Doyle on the show and it was a fun, wonderful conversation,
Speaker 1: and of all the things that anybody said on the show,
Speaker 1: that sort of just stopped me in my tracks. I
Speaker 1: think she said something along the lines of when you
Speaker 1: um you know, as far as connecting to people, she said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you stay on the surface, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to connect with people because everybody is different on
Speaker 1: the surface. But if you go, if you take the
Speaker 1: risk to go deep with everybody, it's easy to connect
Speaker 1: with a lot of people because we're all the same
Speaker 1: deep down. And there was just something about that that
Speaker 1: really floored me. Um. So that stands out to me
Speaker 1: as a particular like I've never thought of it that
Speaker 1: way before moment. That's great, Chris. What about you? You
Speaker 1: have a particular piece of wisdom or advice or tool
Speaker 1: that someone's brought to your attention that's been particularly helpful
Speaker 1: or has been something that really stuck with you over
Speaker 1: this time. I would pick one of the things that
Speaker 1: James clear said, which is a reduced the scope, stick
Speaker 1: to the schedule. And I constantly think about that. That
Speaker 1: has been so profound to me. I mean, I say
Speaker 1: it a slightly different way, but like a little bit
Speaker 1: of something is better than a lot of nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were two days this week that I went into
Speaker 1: the gym literally with my work clothes on, did not change,
Speaker 1: sat down, did a fifteen minute workout on the various machines,
Speaker 1: and walked right back out the door because that's what
Speaker 1: I had. I had fifteen minutes, and I did it.
Speaker 1: And it's not ideal and I look ridiculous, I'm sure, um,
Speaker 1: but I did it. So that one has been a
Speaker 1: big one for me to that episode as a whole
Speaker 1: was so good. I have a new version of that
Speaker 1: I just made up while you were saying that, which
Speaker 1: is by the pizza eat at least two pieces. I
Speaker 1: think that's a T shirt. Yep. All right. My final
Speaker 1: question I have for you both is, you know we've
Speaker 1: talked about the parable and feeding the good wolf and
Speaker 1: feeding the bad wolf, and when you notice that you're
Speaker 1: feeding the bad wolf? What do you do? And it
Speaker 1: starts with self awareness of something else we talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's just a matter of what are some
Speaker 1: things that you do? So maybe these are tips you've
Speaker 1: learned from Gas, or maybe it's something practices that you
Speaker 1: already had in your own life. Um, how how do
Speaker 1: you try to be more self aware so that you
Speaker 1: can notice when you're feeding the bad wolf? Or if
Speaker 1: you do notice it, then what do you do? How
Speaker 1: do you shift out of that? How do you switch
Speaker 1: out of that? Depending what it is, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: just the awareness is enough and I can recognize that
Speaker 1: I'm doing it and then I just change the behavior. Um.
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's it's using little tricks like
Speaker 1: that when reduced the scope, stick to the schedule. So
Speaker 1: if I notice that I'm feeding the bad wolf by
Speaker 1: really procrastinating and not getting anything done, I've learned to
Speaker 1: trick myself into working by you know, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna do two minutes of it. But there are
Speaker 1: times that when, particularly if it's a thought pattern, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's the negative thought pattern, which for me is
Speaker 1: a big part of the way the bad wolf gets
Speaker 1: fed in my life. The the outward behaviors have sort
Speaker 1: of they're more or less in place and pretty consistent,
Speaker 1: but the thought patterns um if I can't shift my
Speaker 1: way out of it, then I usually will find somebody
Speaker 1: to talk to about its about you. Well, One thing
Speaker 1: I do is I will distract myself. And this might
Speaker 1: be a high bred maybe if something you told me, Eric,
Speaker 1: but I've done this multiple times. If if it gets
Speaker 1: really bad and I see this negative thought pattern going on,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll actually try to go through the alphabet and
Speaker 1: think of something positive that I love for each letter
Speaker 1: of it. But I think the reason I do that,
Speaker 1: and I don't have to do it quite as often anymore,
Speaker 1: is because I've gotten so much better at knowing that
Speaker 1: everything is temporary, good or bad. So if I feel
Speaker 1: really crappy or something is just not going well at all,
Speaker 1: I just, for some reason I wish I had known
Speaker 1: that earlier in life. It's going to pass, you know,
Speaker 1: and all the all the fun things that are happening,
Speaker 1: we're going to pass as well. We don't give a
Speaker 1: ship when the fun things are, you know, because we
Speaker 1: were fine with that right, this too shall pass, exactly indeed. Well,
Speaker 1: Eric and Kress, it's been great having this conversation about
Speaker 1: your show and your history together. And I look forward
Speaker 1: to hearing the next hundred episodes. And I'm very honored
Speaker 1: that you had me in here. Is so of the
Speaker 1: guest m C to have this conversation with you. You
Speaker 1: did a great job, Greg, Thanks so much. Yeah, fantastic job, Greg.
Speaker 1: It was great to talk. Thanks guys, Bite bye bye
Speaker 1: Stone