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Speaker 1: first thing that we're going to address is the Trump

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Speaker 1: with ICE doing its duties. And when a judge brought

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Pierre Charambus from ABC News investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: to explain all this. Peter, how are you, I'm well,

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Speaker 1: thanks much for having me. What's the judge done in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was really a flurry of activity over

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Speaker 2: a Trump appointed judge. She basically said, the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: failed to justify federalizing the National Guard, which is normally

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Speaker 2: only done during an insurrection and invasion or rebellion. The

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Speaker 1: And because they wanted Trump administration wanted to use Texas

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Speaker 2: That's right. So there was this concern from the judge

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Speaker 2: the judge is still mulling that order.

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Speaker 1: This judge Karen or Carin, I'm not sure how to

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Speaker 1: Her contention here is whatever's going on in Portland with ice,

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Speaker 1: And this only applies to the West coast here this

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Speaker 2: I guess it's remarkably similar because you know, it's a

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's actually a really you know, ideologically diverse court. Historically,

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Speaker 1: And this is because number one Karen Bass and Gavin

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Speaker 1: grossly irresponsible failing the city. Two basic things. We want,

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Speaker 1: you want to tell your story next? Sure? All right, Deborah,

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Speaker 1: I ran into something that she'd never seen before. And

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Speaker 1: it's professional agitators and they tried to agitate Deborah, which

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: A six. Coming up right after Deborah's news, We're going

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, all right, so we'll do that now.

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Speaker 1: So Deborah's where'd you go? Where'd you witness this?

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Speaker 5: Trader Joe's in Woodland Hills Trader.

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Speaker 1: Joe's and you come across the just kind of the

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Speaker 4: So last night I needed to go to Trader Joe's

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out, you know, are they vegans protesting

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Speaker 4: They're trying to get reactions from people so that they

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Speaker 4: can post your reaction online. So I'm looking and they

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Speaker 4: see me looking and then their camera zooms because they

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Speaker 4: want my reaction. So I just I had to ignore.

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Speaker 4: But I noticed, you know, people are looking at them,

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Speaker 4: and and they are training their camera on the people

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Speaker 4: that are looking at them because they just they're waiting

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Speaker 4: for somebody to say, Hey, get that out.

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Speaker 5: Of my face. What are you doing? What are you

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Speaker 5: recording me?

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Speaker 4: And yes, they are paid people to agitate you, so.

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Speaker 1: They would post the videos online.

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Speaker 5: Yes, of people being pissed off.

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Speaker 1: And I guess get hits and make money, right, So

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Speaker 1: there's no issue here. They're not protesting the police, no

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Speaker 1: political cause, nothing, nothing, just putting cameras in people's faces to.

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Speaker 5: Try and piss people off.

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Speaker 4: And we did ask also a trader, Joe's, well, what's

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Speaker 4: the police doing. Apparently the police it's not against the law.

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Speaker 4: What these guys are doing. They were really outside, they

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Speaker 4: weren't inside the Trader Joe's, but they're you know, they're

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Speaker 4: really right on the peripheral of the parking lot, and

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Speaker 4: so there was nothing that could be done.

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Speaker 5: What losers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all guys, right, Yes, I.

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Speaker 5: Didn't see any women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's probably it's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Well, this Trader Joe's lady that I was talking to,

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Speaker 4: she says, I just blow them kisses when their cameras,

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Speaker 4: I just blow them kisses.

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Speaker 1: She said.

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Speaker 4: Just don't give them what they want, which is they

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Speaker 4: don't they want you to be pissed off.

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Speaker 5: They want to record you.

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Speaker 4: They want they're hoping that somebody is going to come

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Speaker 4: beat them up so that they can.

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Speaker 5: Post the fights.

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Speaker 1: So what did? What did you do?

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Speaker 5: I did nothing. I ignored them.

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Speaker 1: You controlled yourself.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 4: I did in this case because I was not going

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Speaker 4: to give them what they wanted.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't know that when they first came up

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was too busy trying to figure out what

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Speaker 4: was going on, So I had my kind of reporter

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Speaker 4: hat on. Once I was told what was going on,

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Speaker 4: and I'm looking at them and I'm seeing that they

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Speaker 4: see me looking at them, and they're putting their their

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Speaker 4: camera right. They didn't get too right up to my

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Speaker 4: face because I wasn't that close, but they knew what.

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Speaker 5: They were doing. They were they were trying to get

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Speaker 5: a rise out of me and other people, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Really bizarre way to spend the day for them.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea. I've never heard of this before.

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Speaker 4: I get we always talk about people, you know, paid protesters.

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Speaker 5: I get that. I don't get it, but I get

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Speaker 5: it right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard of people going to places and

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Speaker 4: trying to piss people off by recording them and getting

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Speaker 4: paid for those hits.

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Speaker 1: In my town, something that's slightly similar. There were two

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Speaker 1: guys and they would hang out at the post office,

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Speaker 1: in front of the post office, and they would look

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Speaker 1: real suspicious. They'd be all dressed in black, and they

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Speaker 1: looked like there were two guys who wanted to steal

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Speaker 1: mail and break into mailboxes. And it got everybody in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood posting on the next door app and any

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Speaker 1: other social media channel. It's like, these two guys seem

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Speaker 1: to be up to no good, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: It turned out it was the same thing. Somebody else said, no,

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Speaker 1: those guys are always around and they try to take

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Speaker 1: video of people freaking out so they can post it online.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it looked plausible because we had a rash

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Speaker 1: of thefts at the post office, but it turned out

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Speaker 1: to be mostly the postal workers.

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Speaker 2: It was the.

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Speaker 1: Employees who were stealing things. So everybody in the neighborhood's

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Speaker 1: on edge. Right, So when you see these two guys

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Speaker 1: with they had like uh, like black hoodies on. You know,

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Speaker 1: they just look like suspicious characters, right, Yeah, so they thought, well,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is, and it's like, no, they were

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Speaker 1: they were just trying to see what kind of rise

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Speaker 1: they can get.

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Speaker 5: What a lovely way to make money people.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it stupid? And these are young guys?

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Speaker 4: Uh no, they weren't really young, uh, middle age at

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Speaker 4: least the ones that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 5: Total losers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is next level paparazzi, but none of

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Speaker 4: us are famous.

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Speaker 1: Right. They look like those greasy paparazzi guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean just the way they were huddled and trying

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Speaker 4: to just trying to antagonize people. I mean paparazzi, they're

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Speaker 4: not antagonizing they're obviously trying to get pictures so they

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Speaker 4: can sell the pictures. I get that this is just

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Speaker 4: a next level of just I don't understand it.

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Speaker 5: John, I'm old, because this was just what the hell right?

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Speaker 1: It's stupid.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to go and punch somebody in the nose,

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Speaker 4: but I did not want to give them what they wanted,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't want to end up online.

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Speaker 5: No one's going to make money off of me being

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Speaker 5: agitated myself.

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Speaker 1: They were playing with dynamite and they didn't know it.

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