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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Welcome into Talking Cowboys and
Speaker 1: what my goodness, what a busy show we've got today,
Speaker 1: two weeks off and here we are inside the SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studio for an offseason edition. We're gonna be here
Speaker 1: every Tuesday at eleven am Central, Talking Cowboys, Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: and for Bill Jones, joined as always by Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Brian brought Us and Kik Garrison, producer next door. How
Speaker 1: are you guys doing great? Bills on assignment? Huh, he
Speaker 1: is on assignment. He kept his word. He got to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. We didn't. Yeah, he was right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we might see him on this screen over here, one
Speaker 1: of these, one of these segments. NFL Network, they should
Speaker 1: be doing the interviews at the team hotels probably right
Speaker 1: about now. Yeah. Matter of fact, got opening night coverage
Speaker 1: from Monday night, Rams and Freezing Atlanta and Patriots in
Speaker 1: Freezing Atlanta. Meanwhile, the Cowboys are in full off season mode.
Speaker 1: Team team just got back from the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Brian went to the Senior Bowl. Yeah, checked
Speaker 1: out some prospects there there are. It was one of
Speaker 1: the best rosters that they've had in years. And I
Speaker 1: give Jim Naggy, former NFL scout and his staff a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. There were a lot of quality players there.
Speaker 1: I thought that the San Francisco bunch, the Oakland bunch
Speaker 1: did a great job of showing showcasing the skill of
Speaker 1: these players. And so I have actually up coming up
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com today. We got a scouts
Speaker 1: eye of the game, had a chance to take a
Speaker 1: look at the game, and so that's going to be
Speaker 1: up later on today. So I hope every takes an
Speaker 1: opportunity look at that. But I was really happy with
Speaker 1: the roster. The quarterbacks there, if you're looking for one,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of good names, but probably didn't
Speaker 1: show up like that. We thought they might through the practices,
Speaker 1: but a couple of them played pretty well. You know,
Speaker 1: Tyree Jackson from Buffalo played well. You know, he didn't
Speaker 1: look good in practice, looked good in the game. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's you're gonna have to go through this tape,
Speaker 1: evaluate and see where you're at. But at least it
Speaker 1: was a good roster to look at, and I think
Speaker 1: that's always encouraging for the scouts. You want to go
Speaker 1: to Dallas Cowboys dot com as well, you can check
Speaker 1: out top ten performers from the week. That's true, you
Speaker 1: and Dave put that together. Yeah, so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: early start on draft prep, grind in a way, and
Speaker 1: no first round pick, but obviously a Senior Bowl is
Speaker 1: great for trying to find guys in those middle rounds
Speaker 1: even und Well, that's that's going to be the whole
Speaker 1: thing for the Cowboys is and we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. You know that he might find a way,
Speaker 1: he being Jerry Jones, might find a way to get
Speaker 1: back in this draft. So you can't just say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they don't have a first round pick. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that to slam you or anything. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you don't know what happens. You know, they might get
Speaker 1: a call someone say hey we'll take next year's one,
Speaker 1: and we'd start to dance all over again, and he
Speaker 1: gets back in this draft. But yeah, I think with
Speaker 1: the I think with the twenty seventh overall pick, you
Speaker 1: would be very happy to take a guy like Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: Then move forward and then at fifty eight. You know,
Speaker 1: that leaves the board wide open to you. And again
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the draft show here
Speaker 1: because that's on Thursdays at eleven am. But it does
Speaker 1: leave the board wide open to them too when you
Speaker 1: want to kind of focus in on some things that
Speaker 1: they might need, some positions that they might look at,
Speaker 1: you know, defensive line, offensive line, maybe a linebacker, maybe
Speaker 1: a safety, maybe another cornerback considering what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1: So a lot of things, a lot of possibilities. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the great thing about it is that
Speaker 1: you have to you can keep an open mind and
Speaker 1: not just have to pigeonhole to say, Okay, we have
Speaker 1: to have a tight end, we have to have a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, we have to have you can keep an
Speaker 1: open mind and make that work. Just go get my man, Debo,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. That's the guy from Missouri. Through the
Speaker 1: ball pretty well and a nice touchdown passed the guy
Speaker 1: dropped into the end. Yeah, it was a great read.
Speaker 1: Wrote about it too. He it is a you know,
Speaker 1: talking about an anticipation throw from mister Locke, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it should have been should have made McLaren
Speaker 1: the receiver had it and it was in a good spot.
Speaker 1: Just dropped it. But I want debo. Okay, we'll see
Speaker 1: if we get that done for you. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny that they tried to target him and he's he's
Speaker 1: talking about Deebo Samuel from South Carolina is who he's
Speaker 1: talking about. And he was outstanding during the practices and
Speaker 1: in the games. Though. They tried to target him quite
Speaker 1: a bit and they just could not connect with him,
Speaker 1: and that was a problem. The guy guy runs excellent routes.
Speaker 1: You got to figure out where to play him. You
Speaker 1: could play him in the slot, you could play him outside,
Speaker 1: could hand the ball to him, Yeah, kick it to him,
Speaker 1: kick him more. Missouri out Yeah, like twice in three years. Man,
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I didn't know much about
Speaker 1: him going in, but he clearly showed up in this game,
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's important for him. I knew
Speaker 1: enough about him that in the one game I think
Speaker 1: it was two years ago maybe, and Missouri took the lead,
Speaker 1: and they had to kick off, and I knew better
Speaker 1: to kick the ball to him, and they did and
Speaker 1: he returned it for a touchdown. Yeah he deserved what
Speaker 1: you get. This guy is really good and he's my
Speaker 1: little toy player that I'd like to see. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than a toy. Yeah. Well, but but
Speaker 1: he's a good players first. Yeah, he could do a
Speaker 1: lot of things for you. There's no question. He was
Speaker 1: highly ranked on your top ten list. Go check that out.
Speaker 1: All right, we have so much to get into today. Man,
Speaker 1: we've only got an hour if you want to join us.
Speaker 1: Eight five five two two ninety seven is the number
Speaker 1: the last time that we all gathered in this podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of days before the Cowboys mutually
Speaker 1: air Quotes parted ways with Scott Linehan. So let's let's
Speaker 1: start there. Okay, Cowboys haven't opening at their offensive coordinator spot. Yes,
Speaker 1: and a lot of discussion about what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: there nothing official yet. Let's get into that. Were you
Speaker 1: guys surprised by the Cowboys decision to move on from
Speaker 1: Scott Linahan, And then let's kind of look into what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do to fill that vacancy now, yes
Speaker 1: and no. I just felt like there was a good
Speaker 1: chance he would be back. But it didn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that he is not back, I think, and it had
Speaker 1: more to do just for me, more to do with
Speaker 1: maybe some behind the scenes stuff than just oh, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense was so bad and they had to get
Speaker 1: rid of Scott Linahan. I think at times there was
Speaker 1: probably a little bit of the disconnect between Garrett and Lenahan,
Speaker 1: and I think they tried to go through it and
Speaker 1: go through the season, and I'm not sure it patched
Speaker 1: itself up. So I think when they probably sat down,
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, let's let's part ways. But I
Speaker 1: don't think the move was just saying, oh, this offense
Speaker 1: was so bad that we had to make a change.
Speaker 1: We got to have a Star Wars offense. All I
Speaker 1: know is all to talk about Sean Payton. Got to
Speaker 1: get Sean Payton. He's so brilliant. Saint scored one more
Speaker 1: point against the Rams than the Cowboys did the previous week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'll just leave it at that, you know. I
Speaker 1: think where I think Mickey did a great job there
Speaker 1: of saying, really, what happened this was more about more
Speaker 1: about the personality than it was about or maybe more
Speaker 1: about direction. Mickey, Is that is that fair to say? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldn't say personality because I don't think
Speaker 1: Scott and Jason don't like each other. I think that
Speaker 1: there was more direction that how they wanted to go.
Speaker 1: And you know, and it could have been very easily.
Speaker 1: We could have just said, well, they just needed to
Speaker 1: get a better offense, any sense. But Mickey nailed it.
Speaker 1: He absolutely nailed it there, because to me, it was
Speaker 1: more about I was I was one of those that said,
Speaker 1: let's keep the thing together one more year and then
Speaker 1: you know, if it if it works, great, you extend
Speaker 1: everybody you go on. If it doesn't work, then you
Speaker 1: get a clean sweep and you get a whole new
Speaker 1: staff and you could do what you want to do.
Speaker 1: I was willing to do that. But when you have
Speaker 1: coaches that don't agree on what's going on, you know,
Speaker 1: or the direction that they're going, then it's very very
Speaker 1: hard to work together. And I applaud Mickey for not
Speaker 1: bearing the lead and saying something that that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's just oh well, it's just because the offense. I
Speaker 1: just I honestly believe that he's absolutely right about the
Speaker 1: way that these two gentlemen were getting along and it
Speaker 1: it it wasn't going to work out the way that
Speaker 1: everybody thought it was. It needed to work out, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, I applaud them for making a switch.
Speaker 1: You know, if if if you can't work with somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know, in this day and age, you know you
Speaker 1: need to make a change. How often do we see
Speaker 1: people continually work together and it not work, and then
Speaker 1: at the end of the day you wonder why it happened. Well,
Speaker 1: you saw what happened, you know. So I'm I'm on
Speaker 1: board with with what Mickey's saying right there. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like the thing that Bill Parcels used
Speaker 1: to say. You got somebody on your staff and it's
Speaker 1: not working, and you find yourself spending more time talking
Speaker 1: about that, right than coaching the football team. Yep, then
Speaker 1: go ahead and make a change. Ye absolutely. I don't
Speaker 1: sit there and waste your time. And I think a
Speaker 1: little bit of that is what was going on. And
Speaker 1: I'm frankly just uh fed up tired of hearing about
Speaker 1: how bad this Cowboys offense is, you know, or was,
Speaker 1: and it and no one wants to look at the facts. Right.
Speaker 1: The offense carried the Cowboys the first eight games of
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, right they were. They were averaging twenty six
Speaker 1: points a game. How much more do you got an average?
Speaker 1: We know what happened the second half. They took a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback the year before and averaged nearly twenty seven
Speaker 1: points a game and won thirteen games. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, when they got a wide receiver and an
Speaker 1: offensive line playing well the second half of this season, oh,
Speaker 1: they started scoring more points. So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: just so convenient for the people from outside to just
Speaker 1: try to one of those deals, Like I say, they
Speaker 1: want to put it in a box and tie it
Speaker 1: with a little bow on top, instead of looking inside
Speaker 1: the box and tell me why it happened. Don't just
Speaker 1: tell me. Oh yeah, they just don't They don't know
Speaker 1: how to call plays, and they don't know how to
Speaker 1: run an offense, because all these other teams they spectacular offenses. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: All I know is in these playoff games, the teams
Speaker 1: that were running the football all did a heck of
Speaker 1: a job of winning games, including the new England Patriots.
Speaker 1: Some guy down the road here scored their two key
Speaker 1: touchdowns Burkehead and all they did was run a off
Speaker 1: tackle play at the goal line to score, right. It
Speaker 1: was no fancy motion. They motioned the tight end across,
Speaker 1: he blocked like like Noah Brown blocks and he ran
Speaker 1: for the touchdown to win the game. And senior high. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's high. But Mickey can ask a question of you then,
Speaker 1: did you were there times though, were where you were
Speaker 1: a little frustrated with the offense. I was frustrated when
Speaker 1: they got inside the ten yard line. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: didn't have a good answer for that. Everybody talks red zone,
Speaker 1: it was it was more of the golden goal zone
Speaker 1: they were. That's where they struggled. They were near the
Speaker 1: bottom of the league and scoring touchdowns inside the twenty
Speaker 1: and they were dead last inside the ten. But but
Speaker 1: when you can't when you can't do a good job
Speaker 1: of handing it to the NFL fells leading rusher and score,
Speaker 1: when you're three yards out, four yards out, then you're
Speaker 1: you're you're probably having problems with something else. And this
Speaker 1: offensive line when we look at it, yeah, it was fine,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the offensive line we're used to seeing.
Speaker 1: That's true, and the Domican sue blew up his offensive
Speaker 1: line had the game of his career. Absolutely did. He
Speaker 1: was trying to get to the super Bowl. Yeah, he knew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they couldn't find any traction for speaking that game and
Speaker 1: and really that we've cited that in the red zone
Speaker 1: and the goal of goals situations, they just couldn't line
Speaker 1: up and run over guys down near the goal line
Speaker 1: like they used to, you know, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: even among the best red zone teams in the league,
Speaker 1: and he just couldn't do it. Maybe getting Travis Frederick back,
Speaker 1: you know, next season, which they think is going to happen,
Speaker 1: can help in that area. Do you feel like though
Speaker 1: that that was Scott's frustration? Yeah, I think, well I
Speaker 1: think that's where maybe if we could just we're speculating here,
Speaker 1: and I'm again I'm not trying to you know, cause
Speaker 1: any problems, but if you wonder, if I wonder what
Speaker 1: Lenahan I wonder if his argument was, listen, what have
Speaker 1: we done the last couple of years. It's the same plays,
Speaker 1: basically the same players. We didn't execute as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, what's Garrett's answer to that, because he's absolutely right,
Speaker 1: because a lot of that's the issues they've had were
Speaker 1: pure execution the play. I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: was execution. Yeah, I thought there were some times where
Speaker 1: there were some creative play calling. And I guarantee a
Speaker 1: cowboy nation out there right now is losing their mind
Speaker 1: with me about saying that. But I felt like there
Speaker 1: were some times where things were there were some good
Speaker 1: calls there and then and Mickey's right and Dominican Sue
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, you know, boot to the right that doesn't
Speaker 1: get blocked by you know, by the tight end. You know,
Speaker 1: these are things that happen. You call plays, you try
Speaker 1: and be creative. If the players don't execute the plays,
Speaker 1: you know, I can understand if it was just one
Speaker 1: thing where it's just you're banging your head against the
Speaker 1: wall and you're just running the same play over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. But what that But
Speaker 1: if you look at twenty sixteen, that's how they had
Speaker 1: some success running the same play over and over and
Speaker 1: over again and scoring touchdowns. And then this year and
Speaker 1: then this year they started searching for different things to
Speaker 1: do and running plays that they don't normally run, and
Speaker 1: then the execution breaks down because they tried other stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just didn't work. Yeah, the creativity I felt like
Speaker 1: at times was there. Absolutely. I felt like if you
Speaker 1: wanted to say, Brian one word for what happened inside
Speaker 1: the five yard line execution, it to me it was
Speaker 1: that was that was as evident. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: need some like I always say, there's some former NFL
Speaker 1: scout to tell you that you can watch with your
Speaker 1: own damn eyes. When they don't block, when they don't
Speaker 1: run the ball, or they hit the ball where it's
Speaker 1: supposed to hit, or the quarterback doesn't get the ball
Speaker 1: to the guy that's open, or the fullback in the
Speaker 1: flat doesn't catch the ball. You know, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: That's execution. That's not play calling. That's execution, and that's
Speaker 1: on the players. They fire, they fire the coach, or
Speaker 1: ask the coach to leave, or he resigns or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to what they said, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. But you know, in reality, you look at
Speaker 1: him and you're going, Okay, well I could pin this
Speaker 1: on him and this on him, but I can't pin this,
Speaker 1: this and this now. If you're if you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: I felt like the offense improved once they made the
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. When we're talking about between the twenties, felt
Speaker 1: like the offense really improved. You were able to run
Speaker 1: the football with some success, You're able to throw it
Speaker 1: with some success. You got a Mary Cooper going, you
Speaker 1: got Michael Gallup going. You know, Mickey's right about the
Speaker 1: offense overall. The first eight weeks of the season, it
Speaker 1: was god awful. Though. It was really bad. It was
Speaker 1: hard to watch, hard to watch. They put themselves in
Speaker 1: better positions to score down the stretch again, trying to
Speaker 1: finish Rise was a huge problem, and they had a
Speaker 1: major hiccup. Indian Apples, Yeah, you know, just nothing went
Speaker 1: right really for each Indian Apples is just look at
Speaker 1: the Indianapois did on their run. You know, they just
Speaker 1: got they got caught in a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: but they were incredible the way they play there one
Speaker 1: one in five and then the rally, the way they did.
Speaker 1: So the Indianapois loss, it's very reminiscent of the Rams loss.
Speaker 1: The same thing when when this team couldn't stop the run,
Speaker 1: you know, it struggled, It struggled badly. And that's where
Speaker 1: I think that you know, if you look at this
Speaker 1: team defensively, okay, what do you need to do to
Speaker 1: do differently? But for nine weeks, ten weeks, run defense
Speaker 1: was pretty damn good, you know. But but offensively that's
Speaker 1: where we you know, we all have to point the
Speaker 1: finger at something. I'm guilty of that. I point the
Speaker 1: finger all the time. It's my job to try and
Speaker 1: point the finger. But also think you have to be fair.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could put it all in Scotland hand.
Speaker 1: That's kind of why I was saying, bring them all
Speaker 1: back and if it doesn't work, then now Because we
Speaker 1: did see some improvement after the Marie Coop trade. Ended
Speaker 1: up scoring five more points a game the second eight games.
Speaker 1: And that's with a new wide receiver who hadn't been here.
Speaker 1: You know, tight ends started developing. Tight ends played better.
Speaker 1: It was two points a game more. No, it was
Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty four. Final, the final thing was two
Speaker 1: points more pre Cooper post Cooper. Now, I said the
Speaker 1: first eight games. I look at the season in two halves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I did eight and eight. See it's that's not
Speaker 1: six and nine. What's to you, robber, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sitting there shilling for Scott Lenahan
Speaker 1: or the coaches or yeah like that. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying to me, where where do you? Where do you
Speaker 1: see this thing? I mean, I I know Mickey said
Speaker 1: his point. I mean, I I'm trying to find her.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find reasons too. Did they not? As
Speaker 1: a personal guy, do you not have goodenough players? But
Speaker 1: why did they lose the last game? Oh? They got there?
Speaker 1: They got the run. Defense was bad in that game,
Speaker 1: really bad. They barely had the ball offensively. Yeah game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was almost an outlier because you're really
Speaker 1: don't get you there that yeah, yeah thing, the part
Speaker 1: of your game plan that that got you to the
Speaker 1: playoffs failed exactly. Yeah, let's keep talking about this and
Speaker 1: I'll answer your question on the other side. Okay, because
Speaker 1: because in trying to find solutions, and you talked about
Speaker 1: you wanted to maybe bring everybody back. Yeah, they like
Speaker 1: their in house candidates, and while they don't have an
Speaker 1: announcement on a new OC, it very well could be
Speaker 1: filled within house. Let's touch more on that when we
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Speaker 1: If you're picking number one, they got any thoughts, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're liking what we're staying. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's always encouraging that the kind of a long I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people talking about that.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the execution, and we were talking
Speaker 1: about you know, but a lot of people felt like
Speaker 1: that just a change needed to be made. Well real,
Speaker 1: real quick. If I say, when do you think And
Speaker 1: I want to get to your question too, Rob, but
Speaker 1: I just answered, do you think the quarterback handcuff the
Speaker 1: OC at all? Well? I was and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to blame it on him either, but but do you
Speaker 1: think that that that was something guys? That might have
Speaker 1: been the way he calls plays. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a perfect fit. Um. And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I was going to answer your question. Yeah, they may
Speaker 1: very well. Look yeah, I mean Dak limited him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe maybe a little bit. But I think they're
Speaker 1: all in on this quarterback. They want him to be
Speaker 1: the long term answer. And I think they may have
Speaker 1: looked at this and said, all right, it's not all
Speaker 1: on Scott Linahan, but like as they're saying on periscope,
Speaker 1: maybe a change needs to be made to try to
Speaker 1: further this young player's progression. Sure, and find whether it's
Speaker 1: in house, whether it's out a house, find another voice
Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett's influence that can take him to another
Speaker 1: level and bring it and maximize his strengths. I know
Speaker 1: all season we were talking or hearing from fans they
Speaker 1: gotta run Dak more. They got to do that. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe there's ways to plement more of that into it
Speaker 1: without getting him hurt, because I don't want to see
Speaker 1: him in the same boat as Cam Newton or a
Speaker 1: guy that you know is way too mobile conscious, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or just Shaun Watson. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But can how can they get more out? How can
Speaker 1: they get more out of this young quarterback that they
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in and who made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl this year? Get him a wide receiver that
Speaker 1: gets open? Well? Is that is that? That was pretty simple?
Speaker 1: That was But is it good enough? Is that good enough?
Speaker 1: It got into the second round? You know, they want
Speaker 1: to get to the next They're tired of making it
Speaker 1: to the Vision round. You know. But if you play
Speaker 1: better in the first eight games, then you might have
Speaker 1: been playing at home instead of on the road. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but you had fifteen points with a minute to go
Speaker 1: two minutes to go in that game in LA And look,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said it, and he's absolutely right. And it's
Speaker 1: not all in Scotland Ahan and it's and it's execution,
Speaker 1: the red zone and all that. But when you look
Speaker 1: at the four teams left in the playoffs, they were
Speaker 1: the highest scoring teams in the NFL. So what can
Speaker 1: we do to try to get to that next level?
Speaker 1: And yeah, sometimes you have to make decisions, and it's
Speaker 1: Scott Lanahan who's leaving. But what can they do? You know?
Speaker 1: And what that kind of brings me the next point
Speaker 1: is if then what's next? You know, what, how can
Speaker 1: they get squeeze more out of that Orange I guess
Speaker 1: if it's Kellen Moore as moved into that role, or
Speaker 1: if it's Jason Garrett with more influence. See, I think
Speaker 1: that's where everybody has the issue, is that they're staying
Speaker 1: in house and they think that things are going to
Speaker 1: be the same, you know. Yeah, And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with that because I think the general
Speaker 1: feeling Brian is that he's the Lenahan guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that and Jason Garrett's core values of this offense are
Speaker 1: going to going to allow them to do anything differently.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna, like you said, Star Wars offense. You're
Speaker 1: not going to see a college offense run next season,
Speaker 1: you know, So how what do they do that's different?
Speaker 1: And I have that question myself and they haven't made announcements.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett did not speak at the Pro Bowl. He
Speaker 1: wants to make sure all this is fine, realize first
Speaker 1: what they do. But it's worth a question. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are they going to do differently? Do you have
Speaker 1: to do something differently or you have to do it better?
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of both. I mean, are we
Speaker 1: do we just dismiss what happened in twenty sixteen like
Speaker 1: it didn't take place. I just I'm the same quarterback,
Speaker 1: same offensive coordinator, not the same offensive line. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would do you have to make concessions to
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do because your offensive line is
Speaker 1: not as good? Or is it going to be good
Speaker 1: when Frederick gets back and Zach Martin is healthy, not
Speaker 1: playing with a sprained MCL that he probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been playing with, and that you're starting left guard might
Speaker 1: get a little stronger and not a twenty one year
Speaker 1: old rookie anymore. Maybe you figure out a way to
Speaker 1: We talked about this just kicking out. Yes a spell,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott Moore, Ye give him, keep him fresher about
Speaker 1: the time running back situation just at lunch the other day.
Speaker 1: If if, if, if you hear any of us all
Speaker 1: say need to give it more touches, then just go
Speaker 1: ahead and take a bad upside our head. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they need a somebody they can hand the ball off too.
Speaker 1: That's that can do something and not the same thing
Speaker 1: that that Zeke does. But again, it all worked in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. What can they do different? Mickey? What what
Speaker 1: could what could Kellen Moore possibly do different? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's where we need to focus. If that's my question.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you. I'm with you on the
Speaker 1: execution part and be better. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the health of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm with you on the the emergence of
Speaker 1: a of a really quality wide receiver, some young tight ends.
Speaker 1: I'm on board with that. Rob's right, we need to
Speaker 1: back up running back to help. But what what could
Speaker 1: what cannot you cannot finish? Once again? And whoever you
Speaker 1: want to blame for it, right with your quarterback taking
Speaker 1: fifty six sat okay, season, No, you can just start
Speaker 1: right there. You saw what Brady did after the game,
Speaker 1: took a picture of his jersey. There was nothing green
Speaker 1: on it. And they get hit and they had injuries
Speaker 1: up front too. He didn't get Oh you look at
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl he lost to New York Giants. Grat
Speaker 1: stain on the back of that first two series of game,
Speaker 1: nothing but green on the back of that jersey he had.
Speaker 1: You knew they were gonna lose that football game. So
Speaker 1: the Giants beat the Cowboys too that year. Didn't have
Speaker 1: the blitz, just front four pressure could start right there,
Speaker 1: keep keep keep him clean in the pocket, and and
Speaker 1: and let's not just sit there and go well, he
Speaker 1: holds the ball too long. Well, sometimes there was a
Speaker 1: reason why he was holding up. Killing Moore help him
Speaker 1: with that, or whoever's designing the offense, or who's ever Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just gonna throw, Okay, Kellen Moore, John
Speaker 1: hitting Us Smier, whoever, whoever's involved. Jason Garrett, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. Let me ask you this, Though you
Speaker 1: feel good about four guys involved, or would you rather
Speaker 1: have one guy kind of being the guy. I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: do you worry about four guys being involved? I would like,
Speaker 1: just to me, it makes the most sense in the
Speaker 1: situation to have Jason Garrett put his fingerprints more on
Speaker 1: this thing because of his experience, because he was the
Speaker 1: OC here Jones's gonna allow him to do several years.
Speaker 1: Maybe not. I mean they he had that role for
Speaker 1: his first couple of years as the head coach, and
Speaker 1: then I think they decided, hey, let's be a walk
Speaker 1: around guy. We bitch too much. He didn't run the
Speaker 1: ball enough then, right, it was a boy that that
Speaker 1: thing changed when they drafted a couple offensive lineman DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray and sure, but I just you know, given his experience,
Speaker 1: I would I would like to see that. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's that was going to happen. I
Speaker 1: honestly thought that was gonna happen when they made the change. Well,
Speaker 1: he still may and we may never you know, we
Speaker 1: might be right, mickey, you might have a figurehead as
Speaker 1: the OC and the head coach. That's just what Sean
Speaker 1: mcvayh does. That's not that's a that's not out of
Speaker 1: the roma possibility, the same thing Cliff Kingsbury's gonna do.
Speaker 1: And it Arizona offense, of course, and he's a figurehead.
Speaker 1: He's the secretary. He writes the scripts for practice, he
Speaker 1: does all the bookwork, the paperwork, and then yeah, and
Speaker 1: the game day, the head coach is calling the place
Speaker 1: just the way Bill Parcels did. By the way, Jerry
Speaker 1: was asked in mobile about it and what kind of
Speaker 1: influence could Jason have, and he said it could be
Speaker 1: more or less very crypt I mean, very vague coming
Speaker 1: out of you know, the front office and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: They just don't want to announce anything yet. And maybe
Speaker 1: they're still working through it. But Mickey's right. Bill's first
Speaker 1: year here in Dallas, sure, I mean, you know, he
Speaker 1: had a passing game coordinator, running game coordinator, but everything
Speaker 1: was going through him. Yeah, so maybe, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it does, and we don't honestly, we don't know how
Speaker 1: much Jason might have gotten a little more involved as
Speaker 1: the season went on. He might have. It's possible because
Speaker 1: you talk, I mean, he believed me, he did, OK,
Speaker 1: So maybe there's more of that, Uh, But they do
Speaker 1: seem to have lot of faith in Kellen Moore as
Speaker 1: a young offensive mind, albeit lacking the experience. If they
Speaker 1: go that route, and he's obviously rumored to be a candidate,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how it goes. What do you what
Speaker 1: do you think? I mean, I'm I you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I mean again, I'm from the
Speaker 1: school of bringing everybody back and taking a run at
Speaker 1: it again. But that's probably the definition of insanity, as
Speaker 1: they would say. But I you know, I'm okay if
Speaker 1: it's Kellen Moore. You know, I'm okay because I feel
Speaker 1: like that. You know, there's guys in this league. You know,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay didn't have a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of experience to calling plays at Washington because that was
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden calling plays at Washington. You know, that was
Speaker 1: that was Sean McVay coming up with ideas. It's a
Speaker 1: good point. You know, John Gruden left us in Green
Speaker 1: Bay to go to Philadelphia to be offensive coordinator. He
Speaker 1: didn't call plays. Mike Holmgren was a primary play caller.
Speaker 1: SRM lewis. There were guys calling plays well before John
Speaker 1: Gruden was calling plays. Sometimes you have to give these
Speaker 1: guys a chance, you know, I speak from my own experience,
Speaker 1: I never ran an NFL draft at thirty five years
Speaker 1: old and got to run one. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to give people chances in this world. You know, either
Speaker 1: you shine or you don't shine. You know, I have
Speaker 1: no problem with with Kellen Moore being the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've I've said all along that I thought Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: one day would be a great head coach at U
Speaker 1: and LV or air Force, so one of those places.
Speaker 1: Maybe his old alma mater at Boise State. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's a highly respected guy. He might look goofy
Speaker 1: and not talk very much, he's got a really big
Speaker 1: football brain. Quarterback loves him, respects him. That's yeah, just him.
Speaker 1: He listened to the players, listen to Travis Frederick and
Speaker 1: those guys talk about him. Yep, there's the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for this guy as far as you know. He might
Speaker 1: not have had a great NFL career, but there's something
Speaker 1: about him that I'm okay with. You know, We'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see if it's him. It might not be, it
Speaker 1: might be him, but but at least you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give him a try because I can say I
Speaker 1: was a young guy thirty five years old. I never
Speaker 1: never ran an NFL draft. Turned out okay in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: You know, you like the move of bringing kitten A back.
Speaker 1: I do because I like what I like about John
Speaker 1: kittena is. I wish I had the trait that John
Speaker 1: Kitten had. John Kittna has the ability to play dominoes
Speaker 1: with people and lead the Bible study later that afternoon,
Speaker 1: and he and and everybody in that room. I've been
Speaker 1: with guys that didn't have that respect. Tony Romo had
Speaker 1: that total respect. Be in real honest here, I think
Speaker 1: I don't think people have gravitated to it. People gravitated.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo wishes he had John Kitten's pull on players.
Speaker 1: He connects with people. There's no sure he doesn't, you
Speaker 1: know what. He kind of rallied that football team when
Speaker 1: Jason was at the interim coach. Absolutely it was a
Speaker 1: bad season overall. Yeah, but they did go five and
Speaker 1: three the last eight games. Absolutely, And you know, and
Speaker 1: they they thought about him in this quarterback coach role
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, he went with Kellen because probably because
Speaker 1: Scott said he wanted to go with Kellen. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm okay with John Kinney because
Speaker 1: I think that John Kitten. John Kitten is tough minded,
Speaker 1: He's lived this and he has that ability again to
Speaker 1: interact with people. As a coach, you got to be
Speaker 1: able to do that. Well. What's one of the best
Speaker 1: traits about Christopher Shard his ability to interact with his players. Communicate, communicate, Yep,
Speaker 1: that's what players want. Players want a guy that they
Speaker 1: could talk to. They go up, Chris Man, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's bs. Hey man, you know, come on, work with
Speaker 1: me here. This is what we gotta do. Not close
Speaker 1: the door and you know, let things fester out there
Speaker 1: in the in the meeting room. You know, you want
Speaker 1: a guide's got communication skills and that's one thing John
Speaker 1: Kitten can do. He could he can adapt to whatever
Speaker 1: setting he's in. Plus he's a smart guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think he would. He would be more technically oriented
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, your steps, your feet, teacher, teaching all the
Speaker 1: little things that probably he had to learn to overcome
Speaker 1: his shortcoming physical shortcomings. Play a long time in this league.
Speaker 1: They did the league as long as he did ye
Speaker 1: just the details, and I think he'd be good. He
Speaker 1: he reminds me of what Wade Wilson did for a
Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks around here. Yeah, we never got
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson a very good quarterback though he had to do.
Speaker 1: He was at the bottom of the barrel, no question,
Speaker 1: with what he had to work with. Yeah, especially early
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, I felt I apologize to those
Speaker 1: guys all the time for doing a horse s job.
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about having to teach a quarterback
Speaker 1: how to take a snap under center Quincy Carters. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that first day was a nightmare. Or take
Speaker 1: two baseball players and try to turn him into NFL quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Sticks Sticks knew what he was doing. He helped he. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what the reason why Quincy Carters
Speaker 1: assume me by Dak Prescott's here is because of Sticks Stixon,
Speaker 1: who did all the legwork on that one. Yep. So
Speaker 1: it worked him out. Did everything, Yep, did everything. You
Speaker 1: want to grab a long distance phone call, guys? How long? France?
Speaker 1: Very long? Not France, Germany, not Germany, England, London, Marco
Speaker 1: in Italy, Mark, Hey, what's up? Marco? Hey, guys, good morning,
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my call your afternoon, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: We spoken a couple of months ago. As always, thank
Speaker 1: you for your courage. You're awesome and made decision much
Speaker 1: more enjoyable for me. Appreciate your listening. Man. Thanks Following
Speaker 1: the departure of Scotland and I won't show you with
Speaker 1: you my thoughts on the coaching stuff in Germany and
Speaker 1: team's management and hear reviews about it. From what I
Speaker 1: heard on these show, understand you made is agree with me,
Speaker 1: but I love you nonethe lesson We'll keep calling Okay first,
Speaker 1: and to be sure, I believe that coaching and managing
Speaker 1: the Cowboys does not come close to anything you might
Speaker 1: experience with the other thirty thirty one franchises. The amount
Speaker 1: of scrutiny and pressure you're under and the level of
Speaker 1: expectation are much likelier in Dallas than Hells were in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I doubt you would have a fun from
Speaker 1: Italy dialing in talking Browns or talking bills, not disrespect
Speaker 1: intended only the Cowboys at this kind of fallen worldwide.
Speaker 1: So I give a lot of create to coach character,
Speaker 1: as he's always impeccable in the way he undered his
Speaker 1: exposure to media and fans, even the most tont and circumstances. However,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, a coach, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: should be evaluated in his results and the best at
Speaker 1: coach Garrect achieved during his long tenuring Dallas are a
Speaker 1: couple of divisional games despite am in the services of
Speaker 1: future Hall of famers like Whitton, Tony, Romo and Zeki.
Speaker 1: Through your fall offensive line players, maybe shown leadlow, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: And Mika hear you, and I read your articles, and
Speaker 1: I love your articles. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the Rams are in the Super Bowl. The Patriots will
Speaker 1: play the third consecutive Super Bowl while we are at home.
Speaker 1: So my criticism as regards to the way the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been managed lately on and off the field is
Speaker 1: that they're generally too slow to react to events and
Speaker 1: too predictable during games. Let me give you a few examples.
Speaker 1: Atlanta game last year when tann'smid went down in the
Speaker 1: coaching staff kept insisting on leaving easy replace meant alone
Speaker 1: without any help, starting a rookie guard this year next
Speaker 1: to a new center after Travis Frederick became unavailable. No
Speaker 1: selection of valued replacement for shown Lead despite him being
Speaker 1: so injury prone until this year with Lvy, etc. The
Speaker 1: receiving byte committee approach which costs us house of the season,
Speaker 1: despite everybody saying, you know, maybe this is not a
Speaker 1: good idea. In fact, we traded for a married Cooper.
Speaker 1: So finally, from the outside I can see the coach
Speaker 1: Garreton in staff are very methodical rational in the way
Speaker 1: they call the place during the game. But in my opinion,
Speaker 1: being methodical and rational does not necessarily mean being predictable.
Speaker 1: For example, there is a lot of metals in the
Speaker 1: way the New England Patriots to do for weaknesses in
Speaker 1: their opponents, and surely they do not become predictable. Just
Speaker 1: watch the tape of the last drive as Cancel City
Speaker 1: to find proof of this. Sure So I wanted to
Speaker 1: share with you these thoughts, which is I will end
Speaker 1: up and listen to what you think. I wish you
Speaker 1: all a great twenty nineteen. I look forward to injoying
Speaker 1: a new exciting season a football with your comments. Love
Speaker 1: you all, keep doing your wonderful job. Goodbye, Thank you
Speaker 1: all right, Marco, well done? Yeah, thanks for calling it.
Speaker 1: Any time Marco needs to come and take my job,
Speaker 1: Are coming cook for us? Yeah? Yeah, he you know, Marco,
Speaker 1: Marco Will he cooked some words right there. That was
Speaker 1: a boised rant right there. No, and I and I'll
Speaker 1: trom afar. Yeah no, you know, and he's he's not wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a lot of evaluation it needs
Speaker 1: to be had. And you know, whether it's on the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, the players, you know, the way the game
Speaker 1: matge whatever. You know that that's something when you go
Speaker 1: through a season. Yeah, this team went to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: got through the Visional round, but still, you know, we're
Speaker 1: now in a point where you look at and say, okay,
Speaker 1: what do they need to do to get to that
Speaker 1: next step? And I feel like though that there there
Speaker 1: are things that they clearly need to identify. They have
Speaker 1: obviously feel like that the offensive coordinator needed to be changed.
Speaker 1: You know, let's see if that works. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to have a faith at Will McClay and Steven Jones.
Speaker 1: Sherry Jones will come up with some some more players.
Speaker 1: They've done a great job with the draft. They went
Speaker 1: out and they went out and got a super player
Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper. You know, you got some young guys.
Speaker 1: Hopefully those will develop. So you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: Marco's wrong. I mean, I was falling along. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: get lost in these conversations, these rants and stuff, but
Speaker 1: that one made a lot of sense. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I hope that all the things that he pointed
Speaker 1: out will will be evaluated, looked at, and if if
Speaker 1: need be corrected or corrected. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: I think, that's where Jerry and Steven are committed to
Speaker 1: trying to do it the right way. I think the
Speaker 1: only thing he missed on is blaming the head coach
Speaker 1: for some of the before season personnel decisions, Like was
Speaker 1: Jason pounding the table saying, yeah, let's go receiver by
Speaker 1: committee or did he buy into yeah, hey, let's do
Speaker 1: it this way. Let me ask you this, mickey, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm only asking this question. Do you know if
Speaker 1: has I do not? Okay, See, that's where I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that. But but I'm always under the oppression
Speaker 1: that and I trust the coach for saying this, we
Speaker 1: make decisions collectively, right And that's now. I've also heard
Speaker 1: that the coach has stood up, he was how calculated
Speaker 1: all of our decisions are? I mean, i've heard the
Speaker 1: coach also, I've heard rumors and stuff and the Reliabay
Speaker 1: reported me that the coach fought for players that management
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of. Does Briant. He was one
Speaker 1: of the last ones to come on board for Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I mean to want to get rid of Dez Bryant. Well,
Speaker 1: Jason said after that season and that he owned Jerry
Speaker 1: owns the team. He's gonna make the final descis. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory was another one. I never felt like that. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was totally on board with Randy Gregory, but he
Speaker 1: understood what the other three wanted to do. So you
Speaker 1: know that. But I'm just going on that, Nicky, That's
Speaker 1: all I'm going on that. Collectively, he understood that the
Speaker 1: going into the season with the committee, that there could
Speaker 1: be a possibility a it could work or be it
Speaker 1: could not work. I get him credit though, for saying, well,
Speaker 1: we need to go get somebody else, because that we
Speaker 1: ask a coach, you say, hey, could we use Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we could use another wide receiver. Absolutely. The whole thing
Speaker 1: turned after that. You know, he drafted, He drafted Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esch. He helped draft Jalen Smith. Those are two
Speaker 1: picks I wouldn't have made myself. But he did. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: So you know, I give him credit for that stuff.
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm I'm from the thinking that he
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Speaker 1: off this periscope to feel It's amazing how much they've
Speaker 1: people have changed on the human log that everybody feels
Speaker 1: like we need a one technique here. I think that's
Speaker 1: case Mickey one or just defensive tackle in general. But
Speaker 1: what's going on? No, it's not against him, but we
Speaker 1: were asked that of the mailbag. Yeah, one round draft hypothetical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: position going go for Mickey first. That's a good question
Speaker 1: because I love that question from the mailbag. By the way, Um,
Speaker 1: you're going to draft one position. I'm okay with a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: one technique. But if I find me another defensive end, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. And I'm good with a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Lake Collins is entering his last year kind of banged
Speaker 1: up to um, do you want Tyrone Crawford playing inside?
Speaker 1: Do you want him playing outside? What? Exactly? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with him? I think he's a
Speaker 1: really good rotational player. He's a chess piece for him, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you tell me that they took a defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: tackle or end, I got no problems with that whatsoever,
Speaker 1: because I'm done with David Irving. Well, yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I was on. Yeah, Brian and I separately said defensive tackle. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not to do with the Rams game.
Speaker 1: I just look at the position. Yeah, I look at
Speaker 1: the position as a whole. I mean, who was your
Speaker 1: backup behind Woods? See, that's what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: Read and Ross and that that it got you, It
Speaker 1: got you by. But I think I could do better there.
Speaker 1: There were games where if it had David Irving for
Speaker 1: fifteen snaps, it could have made a big difference. They tried,
Speaker 1: but he didn't well, and he I wouldn't imagine he's back.
Speaker 1: He's a free agent, and you know, I adios, you
Speaker 1: never know, but I don't see it. So they need
Speaker 1: to find some some help in that rotation there, and
Speaker 1: by the way. They got a couple other guys in
Speaker 1: that rotation that are free agents, to be right, Daniel
Speaker 1: Ross and his Karan Reid free agent as well. I
Speaker 1: think it was they gave a two year they give
Speaker 1: a two year deal. Reid got a two year deal,
Speaker 1: I believe. No, he's an undrestricted free agent. Yeah, Daniel
Speaker 1: Ross is exclusive. Riots he'll be back yeah, um so Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was a asing what they
Speaker 1: were able to get out of the human log myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a terrific here. And if you get him some help,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean to me, that's but I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm looking at these defensive tackles, man, there's
Speaker 1: some there's some good ones in this draft. Yah know,
Speaker 1: Williams and Simmons and Wilkins and Tillery. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: got some defensive tackles. That's just a name a few.
Speaker 1: Drey Jones. I mean, they've they've got some guys. So
Speaker 1: we'll see guys in that second to third round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's good. Yeah, you're not gonna get Williams
Speaker 1: or Simmons or Wilkins of course, you know. Or Oliver
Speaker 1: is another one. I mean, that's the university of Houston kid.
Speaker 1: But you know, you go down, you go down through
Speaker 1: this draft, they'll they'll be a guy or two that
Speaker 1: they can look at there. And the thing you got
Speaker 1: to remember about Woods also is it's gonna be better
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah. That was his first year to play
Speaker 1: in the league. You know count really play? Yeah, count
Speaker 1: well basically was a practice squad guy in Tennessee. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where's Gerald McCoy from. I know he would, I know
Speaker 1: he would drafted by by the Tampa is the Texas
Speaker 1: guy he went to Oklahoma. Yeah, I wonder if Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy does he want to move? Well, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's a he's a he's on the street. Well he
Speaker 1: is until until the league year starts. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's thirteen. There's a lot of guys. Let me seeing
Speaker 1: on these guests. How about a one year deal? What who? Okay, Mickey,
Speaker 1: one year deal? Okay, let's go let Oklahoma City. All right,
Speaker 1: it's close enough that that's the point he was trying
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, driveable, Micky, let me ask you this
Speaker 1: one one year deal on one year deal on the
Speaker 1: safety Earl Thomas or one year deal on a Gerald McCoy. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'd take McCoy. You don't. Yeah, Mickey's not the big
Speaker 1: safety guy. Yeah, I guess I gotta go de tackle too.
Speaker 1: I've been because we've been we've been pushing it, right,
Speaker 1: pushing it. Yeah, And I don't think that I don't
Speaker 1: think the safety caused the Rams to run for two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards. Yeah, but all year along,
Speaker 1: they're playing pretty good run. That's and that's that's the
Speaker 1: frustrating part, micause that's what got you there. Well, but
Speaker 1: he didn't we that's But so why is the complaint
Speaker 1: that you didn't score thirty points? The complaints should be
Speaker 1: you gave up the most points. You gave up all
Speaker 1: year defense, this team the whole year. Big fans like
Speaker 1: you want fans to take that global macro view, that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. No, they're not not just one game. Okay,
Speaker 1: so one game? Yeah, should I have given up thirty points?
Speaker 1: Nor should I have scored thirty points? I was kind
Speaker 1: of hoping we were gonna score thirty points. I was
Speaker 1: kind of hope they were. I was kind of hoping
Speaker 1: they were gonna be the team that ran for two
Speaker 1: seventy three. Yeah, they have scored thirty That's where I
Speaker 1: was hoping. If you go off stats in the regular
Speaker 1: season that ran the defense was leaky. But as Zeke
Speaker 1: told us after the game, I told Joe, it's the playoffs,
Speaker 1: none of that. Yeah, they weren't leaky in the NFC
Speaker 1: title game. No, Well, you know, the great Sean Payton
Speaker 1: scored twenty three points. Just look at those, he had
Speaker 1: overtime to work with. Just look at the guys in
Speaker 1: that just ran the ball in first down he might
Speaker 1: have had might be the game, right, Yeah, but the quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's the God's gift. The quarterbacks couldn't complete an easy
Speaker 1: five yards slant because his accuracy wasn't good. Mickey's hatred
Speaker 1: of the Saints is impressive. I mean it was. It's
Speaker 1: Breese didn't complete the pass. Yeah, he could have. He
Speaker 1: could have handed under underhand like Locke did. Yeah in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Yeah, or you just keep running it
Speaker 1: and force him to use it. But see what happens
Speaker 1: is and when you analyze Dak, it's like when when
Speaker 1: a play like that breaks down, then the the perception
Speaker 1: is he's inaccurate because he missed that play. Now he
Speaker 1: could have completed seventy one percent of his passes. But
Speaker 1: you missed that one and you're inaccurate, so as Drew
Speaker 1: Brees inaccurate should have completed that pass. Folks on periscope
Speaker 1: want to know if you signed Thomas though. Doesn't that
Speaker 1: help you with your turnovers? Does it? I'm just asking
Speaker 1: another mail bad question yesterday. Thanks three things to put
Speaker 1: this team over the top, and that was us said
Speaker 1: that both as though, Well, maybe it helps you with
Speaker 1: your your giveaways because you would have had two less
Speaker 1: that handed landed in his lap after the balls were tipped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian had another one too, and that's get some and
Speaker 1: Mickey you said this too, get some juice out of
Speaker 1: that return game. Yeah, help your offense out with some
Speaker 1: shorter fields everything debo, Okay, this guy, what else you got? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just any. I mean, I just like
Speaker 1: Parisco because I think people are like I like people
Speaker 1: coming along with in the conversation. I mean, just look
Speaker 1: at takeaways and sacks. Yeah, if you get more sacks,
Speaker 1: you probably get more takeaways. They were average in sacks.
Speaker 1: They got one more sack this year than last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were ranked fifteenth or sixteenth sacks by the way,
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. Guys can play both strong and free safety.
Speaker 1: Don't let that well if he if he can stay
Speaker 1: healthy and play strong safety, then oh no, Micky, they're
Speaker 1: agreed with you. They're agreed with you. Joseph saw with
Speaker 1: you on that. He's he's talking about injury. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Just as an aside while we were talking Saints Rams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that had happened to the Cowboys, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we haven't discussed this. I would have walked into the
Speaker 1: studio Monday wearing a football helmet. I would have grabbed
Speaker 1: a helmet from the TV studio because you guys, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to know what that discussion would
Speaker 1: have been, Like, you should as much as I had
Speaker 1: my white hat. Oh. I was talking at lunch yesterday
Speaker 1: when we were all sitting lunch. We were all sitting
Speaker 1: lunch yesterday, and I said, if that would have happened,
Speaker 1: I told Derek this. I said, you would have fired
Speaker 1: me after that postgame show because I would have broken
Speaker 1: every rule known the man about that conversation. I would
Speaker 1: have lost my You know what, if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of I don't know how you get over it. I
Speaker 1: just had hair in the lawsuit today, of course. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how far this thing is going. And silly senator
Speaker 1: from Louisiana or government shut down about a foot. He
Speaker 1: works for a poor state anyway, so he understands it
Speaker 1: might as well be shut down. But you know, and
Speaker 1: this thing is continuing to fester, you know, and it should.
Speaker 1: Commissioner Goodell has not spoken yet on it. I guess
Speaker 1: he's waiting till his State of the Union. If Mickey
Speaker 1: was there, Mickey would have the first question. Mickey would
Speaker 1: grab the mic it's I think they're They used to
Speaker 1: do it on Friday. I think I saw it. It's
Speaker 1: on It is Thursday week. It might be going to
Speaker 1: talk to Marine five on Friday. I might be worth watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope somebody. I hope they go after him. I hope.
Speaker 1: I hope somebody from New Orleans, the newspapers, the Times,
Speaker 1: Pecune or somebody's there just going on. I mean, I
Speaker 1: bet it's going to dominate the whole thing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It might go for twenty minutes on
Speaker 1: that subject. To be honest, I like Mike Pereira's idea
Speaker 1: of an eighth official, and he's the eye in the sky,
Speaker 1: and he says, listen, boys, beep down. We can't ye,
Speaker 1: can't have that one, can't have that one. Nope, you
Speaker 1: gotta change it. Yep. Yeah, and you know, fix it.
Speaker 1: They need a mister fix it, not a not a
Speaker 1: two minute delay of game looking at five different play reviews.
Speaker 1: They need to let the coaches challenge that there was
Speaker 1: a penalty too. Yeah. But then yeah, and I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that all. Yeah, that's yeah. That's the problem though,
Speaker 1: And to me, things shouldn't rely on challenges to get
Speaker 1: it right. Just get it right. Yeah. You've got two
Speaker 1: officials within five yards of each side of that play,
Speaker 1: and the big guy that's been there sixteen years comes
Speaker 1: running in going and then the other guy's got his
Speaker 1: hand on his hip and he sees the senior guy
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, it's like, seriously, you want a
Speaker 1: guy in booger McFarland's chip. Yes, yes, put them up,
Speaker 1: put them up high so you can see. You can't
Speaker 1: see down there, but that one you should have been
Speaker 1: able to see. I'm sorry standing there looking at And
Speaker 1: then Vinovich says, well, I didn't get a view of it.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the coaching tape.
Speaker 1: He's looking right at that place. Yeah, you see, I
Speaker 1: saved this to the last five minutes for your blood pressure.
Speaker 1: We could have done it for an hour real quick, though.
Speaker 1: The periscope wants to know what our thoughts are on Beasley,
Speaker 1: if anything on Beasley. Well, he made some waves on
Speaker 1: Twitter last week while you guys were gone. The way
Speaker 1: he indicated on Twitter, he said utilization is more important
Speaker 1: than money, which now with a new I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was all about Scott Linehan, but with a
Speaker 1: potentially altered scheme, yeah, maybe he's more willing. I think
Speaker 1: you have a chance now, at least with the change,
Speaker 1: don't you make so two of the last three years
Speaker 1: he's led the receivers and receptions, and he was on
Speaker 1: his way to matching by the way his career high
Speaker 1: from a year ago and catches before Amar he got
Speaker 1: here natural and before he got hurt. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: he dealt with a foot ankle thing all year, but
Speaker 1: he still had sixty five catches. Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: good two years ago he had seventy five. But again,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things they've got to look at.
Speaker 1: Guys who are up to Marcus Lawrence. They said it's
Speaker 1: huge priority. Absolutely got other guys, Pro Bowl got I
Speaker 1: mean just about everybody that was at the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: for them on Sunday is up within a year. Except right,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is not going to be fun for this organization.
Speaker 1: Happened and you have to consider that. And people say, oh,
Speaker 1: they got fifty whatever a million under the cap this
Speaker 1: year to use, Well yeah, but what about next year.
Speaker 1: It's not a one year deal. Beasley's gonna come down
Speaker 1: to what's the market value, kind of like Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I don't like Anthony Hitchins. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks make you that are agreeing
Speaker 1: with you, and they're saying bye bye Beasley though, I
Speaker 1: mean if if, if, if somebody gets how much are
Speaker 1: you gonna pay a thirty year old slot receiver? Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when I saw three really good but the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl sometimes those are decisions you have to make a
Speaker 1: cap era yeah, you know, yeah, not that, not that
Speaker 1: he's not a good player because he is put debo
Speaker 1: with the slot. Oh boy, well he can play. There's
Speaker 1: no jersey. Now he down on the goal line. They're
Speaker 1: putting him the slot. He's very good number. Yah, mickey
Speaker 1: him a number one South Carolina Jersey. I see enough
Speaker 1: of that guy at South Carolina. But that's that's your
Speaker 1: that's a good point periscope. That's another question. They've got
Speaker 1: an answer. Yeah, we're almost out of time, and that
Speaker 1: is can that penny Hart play? Oh, penny Hart can
Speaker 1: play too. He's a good little he's cute him, and
Speaker 1: and and again that you're you're a guy from you
Speaker 1: mask can play too. Now that's where that's where all
Speaker 1: we're Dane and everybody India Savella, you know, every thinking
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to probably take him earlier than fifty eight,
Speaker 1: that somebody might jump up there ahead of you. But
Speaker 1: that's a great thing about being at that spot. You're
Speaker 1: gonna keep that board wide open. And I love it.
Speaker 1: They're in a position to go best available. They are
Speaker 1: they are they have somebody slides to him. Yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: slides him. You could keep this thing wide open. You know,
Speaker 1: might have an extra third round pick, actually a fourth
Speaker 1: micke yet but yeah for hitches h eight point Yeah,
Speaker 1: the eight point million dollar threshold is right around four.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a pick you could trade an extra
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. Think about what they did. They drafted
Speaker 1: back with an extra fourth round pick. Sure, think about that.
Speaker 1: That type of thing. At least these these compens story
Speaker 1: picks are valuable for sure. Keep in mind Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: as a free agent to be he is too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, before we get out of here, let's pick
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl because we uh won't be back until
Speaker 1: next Tuesday, Tuesday eleventh Central. Every week in the offseason,
Speaker 1: that's our spot, guys. Yeah, all right, super Bowl Pats
Speaker 1: are Rams, you got. I'm gonna take the Patriots in
Speaker 1: this one myself. I just think I think history is
Speaker 1: on their side as far as the experience and things
Speaker 1: like that. The quarterback play, I think it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be too much. McVeigh, You'll coach well, but but Belichick,
Speaker 1: that staff, Brian flor has had the defense ready. I'm
Speaker 1: going with the Pats in this one. Patsy thirty twenty four, Okay, Patriots. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I picked the Pats back in September to get here,
Speaker 1: but did but I made I never learned, never pick again.
Speaker 1: I never I never go against Brady. But you know,
Speaker 1: Rams are going with the throwbacks. Yeah, look good, feel
Speaker 1: good Man. Yeah, that's a great look. I'll just go
Speaker 1: with the Rams. It worked against the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sure did. That's why we're talking about Rams again. Rams.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I think you put me up against it
Speaker 1: the wall. I'd say Patriots, okay, but he's taking the uniform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that look. Good change that. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a great look. But Tom Brady Belichick, that's hard to beat.
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