WEBVTT - Casper 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 Hi everyone. Quick note, h there's some slight static here 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.200 and there at the beginning of the episode, but it 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.280 goes away pretty quickly so you won't hear it for 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.160 most of the episode. I just wanted to give everyone 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.919 heads up, thanks for understanding, and enjoy the episode. On 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.440 the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.840 in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:29.000 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.680 changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey, 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:41.040 can I keep you know? It's cool? Closed the window. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.720 I love how she was like, can you close the window? 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.440 It's called goodnight? God? What a what a creepy little ghost. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.200 Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.960 my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our show 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.840 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens. You 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.080 saying the Becktel test simply as a jumping off point, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.480 but Jamie, yeah, what is it? Well, the Bechdel test 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.600 is a h well, it's a test in which uh well, 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.240 and also I should tell you where it came from. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:19.520 It came from? Uh? Oh god, Sorry, I just wanted 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.480 to cast for The Friendly Ghost, and so I'm like, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.840 so this, okay, this is not going to pass. I 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.720 just so frothingly horny for Bill, paulm and Daddy that 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.399 I'm not fully with it at this time. It's a 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.880 media metric invented by queer cartoonist Alice in Becktel, sometimes 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.120 called the Bechdel Wallace test. Uh. There's many permutations of 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.280 this test. Here's the one that we use here at 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.319 the Bechdel Cast. We require that two characters of a 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.080 marginalized gender with names speak to each other about something 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.120 other than a man for more than two lines of dialogue. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.559 And you know, some movies do it, um many don't. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.000 And my new favorite thing is when a movie when 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.840 it's clear that they get like a note that it 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.240 didn't pass the Backtel tests, and then they do a 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.520 small reshoot and add in a completely nonsensical scene just 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.840 to say they passed. I want to I've been trying 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.639 to keep better track of those in movies because I'm 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.919 trying to think of which there was a movie I 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.760 saw recently that was like Newer that I'm like, this 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:29.519 feels like a weird Anyways, It's complicated because I feel 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:33.080 like that would be the case for more recent movies. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.280 People weren't No, people weren't thinking about this back It 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.280 didn't come into the popular consciousness until, like I feel 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.160 like late two thousand's early two thousand tents, even though 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.560 it was invented back in the eighties and then and 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.040 then our podcast, it's the only thing we actually talked about. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.600 Because we invented we popularized it. No, I'm kidding, but 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.280 um yeah, recent movies are I think doing a better 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.640 job at passing generally. Generally yes, but but sometimes you 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.119 still see some some things. I don't know. I think 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.840 I just am in a crummy mood because you're just 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.280 like the state of these days, Caitlin, I'm just not 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:17.120 convinced that the world is a less misogynist what than ever, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.520 just less prejudice in general? Um well, we live in 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.160 a healthscape. On that note, let's talk about Casper the 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.079 Friendly Ghost I love too. Okay, so I'll start by 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.400 saying this this episode, you might be like, wait a second, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.280 it's June. Why are you covering Casper the Friendly Ghost? 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.440 This seems more like a HALLOWEENI pick. Well, the reason 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.720 we're covering Casper the Friendly Ghost is because it's a 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.600 little bit of synergy. It's a little bit of cross promotion, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:55.400 if you will, um, because listeners, pretty there's nothing scarier 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:04.560 than corporate synergy. And by corporate I mean just me. Um. So. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.680 So I have a new investigative series right now coming 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.560 out called Ghost Church. Uh. It is about the American 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:18.080 Spiritualist movement, which was kind of this movement that existed 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.839 in the eighteen hundreds. It still exists now. It's evolved 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.560 in all these freaky ways, but it's basically founded on 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.880 the idea of like spirit communication, that the dead don't 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:34.320 really die, it doesn't really play by Casper rules. Um. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.719 But yeah, that The overview of the show is it's 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.520 a history of this bizarre religion and its founders who 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.160 were um, women religious leaders at a time where there 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.400 weren't a lot of women religious leaders. But they're kind 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.520 of girl bossing around. It's it's a wild story. And 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.000 then it also is the other half of it is 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.000 my experience going to a spiritualist camp this year and 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.279 talking with uh spirit mediums who are still working today. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.280 So if that sounds like a fun thing to you, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.840 I would I would love if you listened it was 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.640 a really fun kind of like challenging piece to put together, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.800 and I hope you like it. So we were looking 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.960 for and and I'll sort of bring up because there 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.240 are like some spiritualist ideas in Casper the movies concept 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.279 of death, but it's also the movie is so all 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.880 over the place that I feel like death is viewed 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.320 just like however, the movie needs you to view it 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.920 from scene to scene, like sometimes it's the biggest deal 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.839 in the world, and then other times they're like who 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.840 gives a ship? And you're like, well, which what whatether? 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.680 It doesn't matter. It's a great movie. But we were 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.039 looking for movies about spirit communication and it made me 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.159 think about spiritualism as like I've been studying it and 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.000 understanding it because most of the stuff, like a lot 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.600 of spiritualism is built around the idea of the seance. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.960 But most seances, as they're presented in movies are like 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.360 bad or conjure something evil, or you need like your 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.880 Christian to come and resolve what you've unleashed via a seance, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.680 which is the opposite of what spiritualism is about. Spiritualism 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.280 is like an attempt to take a step away from 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.760 the idea of like good and evil. They're very into 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.400 redemption and like redemptive justice and all these like. I mean, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.000 there are plenty of issues with it with the religion, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.039 but it is far more progressive than Catholicism, for example, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.520 which is weirdly, what you'll mostly get in seance movies 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.680 is like a Catholic priest showing up to reverse what 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.440 the seance did. It's hard to find a feel good 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.640 movie about death, and that's where cast By the Friendly 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.840 Ghost comes in. And that's where Castfer comes in because 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.880 the only other movie that's like explicitly about spiritualism is 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.279 Nightmare Alley that came out last year, which again is 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.200 pretty unfavorable, which is like fine, but more importantly, no 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.840 one watched the movie and we didn't like it. So 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.200 that's why we're With all due respect to King Guierma 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.240 del Toro, it was so boring. There was no pans 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.720 labyrinthe I I get. Really, I'm like, you're just gonna 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.560 not give Rooney Mara anything to do. What a waste? 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:30.840 What a waste of everyone's time? Anyways, Uh so that's 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.240 why we're doing Casper. This is actually one of the 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.160 more like open minded views of death that you can 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.520 find in a movie or spirit communication at least. Sure, yes, 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.840 so yeah, listen to Ghost Church. We'll keep talking about 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:52.000 spirit communication. But Caitlin, what's your history with Casper? Oh 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.560 my gosh. This movie came out when I was nine 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.600 years old, so I was the exact right age he 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.240 see it and love it and be obsessed with it. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:10.000 And I especially loved the production design, although I wasn't 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.920 like a nine year old being like, wow, look at 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:18.200 this set design. Amazing. The house is so still so cool. Yeah, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.760 the house holds up. The Casper house holds up. So 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.520 I just like loved the spooky sets in the in 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.679 the house and then when they go into the secret 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.319 layer where the Lazarus machine is and like that all that. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.800 I loved it, And I did you realize the Backstreet 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.920 Boys connection? No? Oh my gosh. This is the kind 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.640 of you know, like when you learn a fun fact 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.720 and you're like, I know, I've learned this before, but 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.679 I just like relearned it today and it's all the time. Yeah, right, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.800 in our advanced age, sometimes things just slip. Um. The 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.480 music video for Backstreets Back all right, where all the 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.240 Backstreet Boys are dressed up in Halloween costumes and they're 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.840 dancing in the mansion. That's the Casper mansion. It's the 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.960 same mansion, and every time you see the wide shot, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.480 you're like, this looks familiar, and it's the Backstreets back 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.360 mansion because that song came out in nine six, so 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.720 they just like share it a set repurposed the Casper House. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.760 Isn't that the coolest? It's a legendary and it's just 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:26.360 beautiful and awesome and yeah, so anyway, I loved it 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.000 at the time, but I don't think I saw I 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:33.359 watched it past probably like seven because again, famously, Titanic 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.800 comes out and I didn't watch any other movies for 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.360 a solid decade. Yeah, totally, so, I you know, there 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.319 was a couple of year chunk in the mid to 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.440 late nineties when I was obsessed with this movie, but 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.040 I hadn't watched it since, so rewatching it for the 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:55.080 podcast was interesting. And my thesis statement will be that 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:02.000 Casper is a creepy little pervert. Okay now now, now, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:10.160 now thoughts. I definitely think that Casper's behavior is not great, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.720 but I, I don't know they're this, I I really 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.600 love this movie is still it's like it's gonna be 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.480 hard to I mean, I just like, every time I 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.480 see this movie still you're still oh my gosh. Yes, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.080 Like I I don't remember when I first I like, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.160 this was just like a VHS that was always at 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.160 our house. And I loved Casper, not just Casper, the 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.120 Casper Expanded Universe. Because there were two directed video sequels 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.600 that came out after this. It was called like Casper. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.840 Oh my gosh. There for some reason, like just so 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:51.520 many awakenings for me happened via this Casper franchise. There 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.839 was a direct oh my god, this is going to 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.760 drive me wild, and I do need to know what 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.480 this direct movie was called. But anyways, this movie was 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.920 one of my favorites when I was a kid. I 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.120 still watch it every couple of years. I think it 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.520 was like, yeah, I like to watch it around Halloween time. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.880 I just think it's like there's so much wrong with it. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.880 But it is a problematic favorite for me that I 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.560 like that I still think it's doing a lot of 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:22.000 like funny cool stuff that like I don't know, like 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.079 there's things that happened in this movie that don't happen 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.480 in movies anymore. Because they shouldn't. And then there's things 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.720 that happened in this movie that don't happen in movies 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.680 anywhere that I'm like, where did that go? That was fun? Sure? 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.320 I liked that, Like it's just really chaotic. I feel 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.760 like they're like especially because it's like an I P 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.360 a piece of like I P. I feel like now 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.599 people are so like precious with like rebooting I P. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.920 Where it's all very like sterile and I don't know, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.960 like you think about how sexless the Marvel movies are 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.840 and how it's like they can be funny but they 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.760 actually can't be funny, and it's just like you just 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.640 feel so much like caution in some ways that is 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.240 good and undoes harmful things that were done in movies 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.319 in the past. And then it's just sometimes you're like, yeah, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.800 why so much of this movie is just like there's 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.320 a ruckus and yeah, wild wild choices. Yeah. I used 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.160 to be completely in love with every character in this movie. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.880 I loved Christina Ricci's character so much, wanted to be her. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.360 Was also in love with her father, thought he Pulman 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:37.000 dad was really handsome. Still really feel that way. Kathy 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.600 Moriarty is like there's just so much, so much campiness 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.400 in this movie too, in a way that just like 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.920 happens in movies now, but I feel like doesn't happen 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.679 in like big kids movie. I don't know, maybe I'm 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.360 totally wrong and I'm just not watching the right movies, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.760 but but yeah, like this movie is just so goofy 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.880 and campy and like if you showed it to a 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.320 kid right now. It's also so that they be like, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.040 what is this? Like, who is Rodney Dangerfield? Oh my gosh. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:10.920 The cameos are wild. Mel Gibson makes it, has a cameo, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.640 has a cameo. It's so and all the cameos are 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.280 like really condensed to They all happened like five in 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.360 a row will happen, and then one won't happen for 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.520 forty five minutes. Yeah, I guess all I have to 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.160 say is I love this movie and I think it 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.320 is so goofy and chaotic, and let's talk about it. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.280 Let's do but first let's take a quick break and 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:43.440 then we will come right back. And we're back, and 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:49.400 here is the recap. So there's a big scary house. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.480 Two boys go inside at nighttime to take a picture. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.560 I guess to show their friends that they went inside 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.040 the spooky hunted house. But then someone maybe it's Casper 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.680 the ghost I don't know, takes the picture for them 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.800 and then they run out screaming, it is Casper the ghost. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:12.320 It is voice O God, calem. Don't you love the 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.400 part at the end where five hundred wild things happen 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.680 in a row people are dying, coming back to life, dying, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:23.800 coming back to life, Surprise kiss, surprise Angel. That the 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.840 mother doesn't visit her daughter but does visit this ghost. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.640 Like all this stuff happens where you're just like, um, 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.320 what a wild night? And then and then the ghost 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.800 start playing guitars and then the movie is all of her. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:42.880 It's it's really funny. Sorry anyway, Okay, we cut to 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.840 a woman named Kerrigan that's Cathy Moriarty icon She inherits 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:54.200 a manner from her deceased father, presumably the same old 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.400 scary house that we just saw, which is called what again, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.080 Whip the staff manner? Whips staff manner, which sounds like 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.600 a place in the valley where they shoot porn. Yes, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.960 so the property is condemned. It seems nearly worthless. But 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.920 then she and her lawyer Dibbs played by Eric Idol, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.400 find something in the paperwork that makes it seem like 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:25.120 there might be treasure hidden somewhere in the house. So 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.240 they travel to the house in Maine. They go inside 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:34.920 and meet Casper, who is the same friendly ghost, a 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.680 friendly ghost, and then sometimes you're like, what do we 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.920 mean when we say friendly, because sometimes he's a pretty 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.280 calculated ghost sometimes and sometimes he's very creepy and perverted. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.640 As I mentioned, will be canceling Casper on the beat 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.160 to cast today. Unfortunately, we will no longer be able 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.720 to watch Casper because he's going to be canceled and 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.440 then he's going to start touring the right wing circuit. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.600 It's going to be disaster um, and then he'll say, 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.400 we did that, Yeah, we did that. This our job. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.000 I kind of as much as from Again, there's like 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.560 just so many bad choices in this movie that I'm 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.760 just like, what a confusing thing to have done. I 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.240 guess I'm not bothered by it um because this like 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.040 movie was also written by like two women, but two 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.960 women who were like voices in the animaniacs, Like, what 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:28.240 is going on like with this movie? I don't even care, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:33.040 but I care again and Dibbs you get like literally 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.800 no background other than her father has just died. We 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.360 don't know where Dibbs came from nope, or like what 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.440 their relationship is. I feel like it's implied that they 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:50.000 probably fuck and maybe he wants something more and she doesn't. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.040 That was always my head canon was that she was 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.560 you know, she's like, Dibbs is always around if I'm horny, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.680 but obviously he's and then he's like in love with her, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.840 but then he turns. I just love that you get. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.240 Usually I'm like, wait, we have this like incredible iconic 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.920 woman playing this villain, Like let's find out more about her. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.639 But the way that Karagan comes off and like, I 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.840 don't need it. She just wants a treasure and she 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:23.720 has a mansion and she's like weirdly okay with uh 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.399 dying at any moment, like before she's even sure the 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.120 machine works. I just I just love just no one 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.480 makes any sense. Also, the way that she's defeated is hilarious, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:40.159 but we will get there. So weird. Oh God, the 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.680 ghost rules in this movie? Or why why doesn't Eric 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.439 Idol turn into a ghost? That was I was like, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.080 did they run out of c G. I budget, um, well, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.800 because he doesn't die, does he or justn't canonically, I 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.040 guess he just kind of disappears. Oh yeah, I always 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.399 thought he died. What does happen with him? He falls 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.000 into a vat no she it's like towards the end 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.439 and they're bickering over the treasure chest and then she's like, 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.240 you have a flight to catch and then she uses 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.960 her ghost magic or something to like fling him out 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.199 of the window and then we just don't see him 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.040 after that. So maybe he did die and becomes a ghost. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.800 But I guess I always just assumed that he died, Yeah, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.680 because he's flung out the point of me I wrote 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.239 down for that. Actually I did know how he I 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.159 guess didn't die, but I feel like, how would he 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.240 not die? You know? But um, it reminded me. I 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.520 wrote down reverse I Frankenstein because you know that that 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.159 scene and I Frankenstein where Aaron Eckhart breaks through a 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.199 window like that for no reason. I don't remember, but 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.640 I guess I'll just have to rewatch it. Look, if 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.600 you have listeners, we know that this is a little 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.480 chaotic for a main Feet episode, but we did I 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:53.880 Frankenstein for my birthday a couple of years ago. And um, yeah, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.359 there's like a scene where he's going into like the 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:01.040 science lab. I Frankenstein, I mean Adam Adam frank Stein. Yeah. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.400 For listeners who haven't seen I Frankenstein, first of all 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.600 turned this off. You gotta go watch it. But yeah, 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:12.000 Adam Frankenstein, played terribly by Aaron Dockart. He like burst 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:17.760 through a window bill ny lab is open lab. Yeah, oh, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.239 I do remember that. But it's open because people are 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.760 like using their key cards and scanning in. But he 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.399 just like breaks a window. Drama. He was supposed to 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:34.440 be sneaking in anyways, Casper, So so Karagan and Dibbs 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.679 go to the manner. They meet Casper, who is friendly, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.600 but they still scream and it wakes up some other 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.959 ghosts in the places extra haunted. So then Karagan gets 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.879 a priest to try to exercise the ghosts out of 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.600 the house. That doesn't work. They get Dan Ackroyd as 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.760 a ghostbuster to bust the ghosts. That doesn't work. Also, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.119 you know, it's fun fun ghost church moment. Listen to 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.000 ghost Church now on I Heart Radio. Dan Ackroyd, I 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:11.359 believe his father was into spiritualism, and dan Ackroyd said 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.560 specifically when he was working on Ghostbusters, part of his 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.960 inspiration and motivation for wanting to write and being Ghostbusters 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.639 was his dad's interest in spiritualism and the idea of 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.760 life after death. And so he made uh, you know, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.520 you can listen to our episode on it. We had 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.879 a lot of thoughts on it. But that was his 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.520 interest in the afterlife. Wow. And now he follows like 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.400 an alien religion or something. Yeah, he's uh he he 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.520 likes esoteric religions, you know. Yeah, the more I work 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.199 on this project, the more I'm just like, you know what, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.080 it is like such an amazing thing if you can 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.280 find a religion that is not perpetua constantly perpetuating harm 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.320 on other people. And if you do find that, then like, 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.320 have a great time, enjoy yourself, you golden rule it up. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.560 That's why I founded the cult, I mean Church of 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:14.520 Paddington scariest si um. I just remember the direct to 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.360 video sequels in case there's any other kids that were 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.760 watching these vhs. It was called Casper A Spirited Beginning, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.399 And in the Christina ricci Ish part, there was a 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.159 boy named Chris who I was like, Wow, I'm going 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.800 to marry Chris. Wonder what happened to him? No idea. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.760 And then the third one was I believe Hillary Duff's 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:41.199 first role Casper meets Wendy and Hillary Duff plays a 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:45.480 young witch who be friends Casper and then they do 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:50.040 you know, supernatural magical stuff together. So thank you to 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.880 the Casper franchise for giving us Hillary Duff. I think 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:58.080 that she got Lizzie McGuire off of that. It's called 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:04.880 American History, Caitlin, and and a Star is Born. Um, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.200 Hilary Duff of Stars Born would be so funny. Uh, 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.080 that would be great. I would watch it, yes, Okay, 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.439 So then Acrod being a ghostbuster that doesn't work. Now 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.760 Kerrigan hires a crew to bulldoze the house that doesn't work. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.920 And then then like the ghosts that they're trying to 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.879 get rid of, are these mean ghosts unlike the friendly 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.400 ghosts that is Casper. We'll find out that these mean 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.840 ghosts are Are they Casper's uncles? They are there? Is 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.399 there his abusive uncles? So they're mean? But also that 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.159 like doesn't make I'm sure that because Casper started as 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.080 a comic book character, so I'm assuming this is addressed 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.320 somewhere in Casper Cannon. But you're also like, maybe they're 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.440 like his adoptive uncles or something, because I don't think 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.439 that they're like they were his uncles when he was alive. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.639 It doesn't sound like there were three weird goals hanging 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.159 out at this house. Right. Do you like when you 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.880 become a ghost, do you like have a ghost chosen family? 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.960 In which case, why that would be true, I don't know, 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:12.919 because he's just like a kid ghost, So maybe he 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.159 was looking for I don't know why I'm overthinking this. 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.760 Did the kid ghost? So he's kind of lost in 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.680 the world. You know, he doesn't have a lot of people, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.919 and he can't remember his life at first, so they 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.000 would be his adoptive uncle's. But they really they were. 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.640 They're really cinderelling this little perverted young ghost. Yeah, yeah, 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.400 they're They're really mean in general and mean to Casper. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.399 But Casper is friendly and all he wants is to 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.880 make a friend. Then Casper sees a news segment on 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:51.040 Dr James Harvey. He is a therapist for ghosts. Okay, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:56.320 so this spiritualism wise, this is made up. Its spiritualism. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.960 You have mediums who connect with spirit. And also there's 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.200 like the whole crossing over concept is interesting as it's 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:09.960 presented in this movie because I don't know, like it's 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.360 it's kind of like all over the place where it's like, oh, 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.760 you have unfinished business, and then if you have unfinished business, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:20.600 you go to heaven like Christian heaven. Question mark, Like 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:25.280 where did Kathy Moriarty go? We don't really know, you 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.480 would think, but like it's it's hard to say how 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.600 this movie feels about redemptive justice in the afterlife. I 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.600 don't know if they were thinking about it when they 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.960 wrote it, but I just thought it was because spiritualism 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.840 is mostly like they don't believe that like spirits remaining 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.560 on Earth is purgatory. They're like, that's kind of par 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.080 for the course where you'll like remain like when you die, 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.800 you become a spirit guide to the people in your life, 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.880 but then you can cross over to this place called 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.439 the Summerland. It's kind of all over the place. It 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.800 depends on who you ask. They're really organized like the 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.879 plot of Casper. Like the plot of Casper, right, So, 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:10.440 Dr James Harvey is a psychiatrist who, after the death 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:15.000 of his wife, his wife's wife, his gorgeous wife with 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:20.560