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Speaker 1: the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey,

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Speaker 1: can I keep you know? It's cool? Closed the window.

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Speaker 1: I love how she was like, can you close the window?

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Speaker 1: It's called goodnight? God? What a what a creepy little ghost.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our show

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Speaker 1: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens. You

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Speaker 1: saying the Becktel test simply as a jumping off point,

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Speaker 1: but Jamie, yeah, what is it? Well, the Bechdel test

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Speaker 1: I'm not fully with it at this time. It's a

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Speaker 1: media metric invented by queer cartoonist Alice in Becktel, sometimes

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Speaker 1: called the Bechdel Wallace test. Uh. There's many permutations of

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. We require that two characters of a

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Speaker 1: And you know, some movies do it, um many don't.

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Speaker 1: in my life. Oh my gosh, I'm in love. And

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00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: then he like sets up a weird, like manipulative scheme

422
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: to lure Cat and her father into his house so

423
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: that he can get with Cat. And that's yeah, it's

424
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: so creepy. I was kind of curious. I was like,

425
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I wonder if that like changed at some point, because

426
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: it just didn't seem logical like this, Like I feel

427
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: like the reverse note would be given now where it's like,

428
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: don't force a weird love story on this like twelve

429
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: or thirteen year old girl. But I feel like in

430
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the nineties it was maybe the opposite where they're like, no,

431
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: we gotta get a love story going here, because it's

432
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, it just doesn't scan for

433
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: me that it's like, oh, the little ghost is horny

434
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: and he's just going to ignore this really valuable whatever

435
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman hot. That's the take my defense of every

436
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: bad choice in this movie. I'm just like, but Bill

437
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: Pullman is the way he wears those weird pants. He's

438
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: really looking like a dad in the nineties. So we

439
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: cut to him. We cut to Dr James Harvey played

440
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: by Bill Pullman and his daughter Cat played by Christina Ricci.

441
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: They are driving to this manner in Maine. Now Cat

442
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: doesn't leave in Ghosts and she thinks her dad is

443
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: a loser and a joke and she's resentful that he

444
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: moves her around the country all the time. And sometimes

445
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: you're and you're like, she like, really wrong. I think

446
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: rewatching it this time. I'm like, he's really not a

447
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: very good parent at all. So at the end when

448
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: his dead wife comes back, his wife returns and it's like,

449
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you're actually an awesome parent. I'm like, I mean, I'm

450
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: glad he didn't die, but I wouldn't say that he's

451
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: a good parent right where is like he's not even

452
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: there with his daughter for half of the movie. He

453
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: goes to a bar and hangs out with this mean

454
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Ghosts for like a long time. That was so wild

455
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: to be I never like because I've never watched this

456
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: movie with anything but like a nostalgic like lens, And

457
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: this was like embarrassingly one of those things where I'm like,

458
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't This is the first time I ever

459
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: heard like jailhouse rock or like an OVI song would

460
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: have been like in this movie. But yeah, it's the

461
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: night of his daughter's big party and he's like, god

462
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: at a bar, like really fucked up. And I'm like,

463
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: I get that. The ghosts like kidnapped him and brought

464
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: him to a bar, but they didn't make him get

465
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: way blackout drunk and walk off a cliff. Also, they

466
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: were going to shoot him in the head. I was

467
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: just like, this movie is so funny, Like what are

468
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: you doing it? Actually? Really like, once I found out

469
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the writers right for Animaniacs, I'm like, yeah, this is

470
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: a fucking like weird cartoon. Yeah. I loved Animaniacs anyway. Okay,

471
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: so her whole thing is that she doesn't like that

472
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: they have to move around all the time because she

473
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: just wants to stay in one place long enough to

474
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: make a friend. And we're like, oh my gosh, that's

475
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: what Casper also wants to make a friend. Wow. So

476
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Dr Harvey and Kat arrive at the manor. Karagin is

477
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: there and she's like, you better figure is out really quickly,

478
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Dr Harvey, and he's like, it's gonna take as much

479
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: time as it takes, honey. So he and Kat move

480
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: into the house, which is wild that they do that. Yeah,

481
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm also like, why did she switch school systems. If

482
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: they're only supposed to be there for two weeks, we

483
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: don't know, look look away, look away, don't ask what matter?

484
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: They should have turned They should have turned the get

485
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Ready machine into a roller coaster. I will never not

486
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: be mad that someone didn't turn that into a roller

487
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: coaster that was clearly made to be turned into a

488
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: roller coaster? Are you kidding me? Seriously? So mean? So

489
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: they explore it. They explore the house. It's big, it's cookie,

490
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: it's spooky, and Casper is so excited that Kat is there.

491
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: And then Kat sees Casper. She freaks out, she's never

492
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: seen a ghost before. And then Dr Harvey sees him too.

493
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: He also freaks out, and everyone's like, oh my god,

494
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: there are ghosts. His reaction defies logic. Why doesn't he

495
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: came here to see ghosts? The second his daughter's like,

496
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I saw ghosts, you would think he would be thrilled

497
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: because she doesn't believe in ghosts, but for her father,

498
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: and instead, the second he gets the information, he's like,

499
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe you and I'm scared. I'm like, what's

500
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: wrong with you? He's such a bad dad. He's like,

501
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: not bad, not a bad person, clearly. Okay, this was

502
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: my horrible Twitter joke. I texted it to you. I

503
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: don't even want to say it out loud. It's such

504
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: a bad format. Men would rather go to the with

505
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: staff manner and hang out and get and walk off

506
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: a cliff with three scary ghosts, then go to therapy.

507
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: It's true, though, it's true. He's I empathize with him.

508
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: He's having a hard time with the death of his wife,

509
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: but a lot of his parenting decisions are just egregiously

510
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: bad parenting decisions. He just doesn't make sense this. I

511
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: don't understand why he reacts this way because he's also

512
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: bad at his job. Because he's really bad at his job.

513
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: He goes and tries to give therapy to the three

514
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: mean ghosts and like, no breakthroughs happened, like he, Well

515
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: they have. They have breakthroughs via they become friends, but

516
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: like which is also inappropriate. You're not supposed to be friend,

517
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: you're psychiatry client. Look, my therapist gives me a ride

518
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: home sometimes. Don't worry, it's fine. Uh. It doesn't mean

519
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: that you can't make some breakthroughs as someone who's willing

520
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: to give you a ride home. But do you go

521
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: out and get blackout drunk with your therapists. No, that see,

522
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: that's that they like, he is not good at his

523
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: job unclear to me. They make it sound in the

524
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: news report like he has successfully done this before, but

525
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: clearly that's not true. And also when he meets the

526
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: like I do think he success fully becomes friends with

527
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: the uncle's, but that doesn't mean that he's a good therapist.

528
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: Like that correct is You're right, that's unprofessional. I've just

529
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: been excusing this man. Also, the first time that he

530
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: meets them, he's like, I'm your therapist, and then he

531
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: immediately sucks them into a vacuum, and I'm like, that's also,

532
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: that's a little problematic. I wouldn't let my therapists talking

533
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: about at this point. Also, well, I'll just wait till

534
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: we get to this plot point. But then another wild

535
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: thing happens. Okay, so Casper's uncles show up after the

536
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of initial shock wears off of like Dr Harvey

537
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: and Cat seeing Casper. So the uncles show up, who

538
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: are stretch fat so and stinky, and then Dr Harvey

539
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: tries to make contact with them, but again they're mean

540
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: and they play a bunch of pranks on him. He

541
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: battles them for a while, and then he sucks them

542
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: into a vacuum cleaner. They're big time pranksters, huge goofs.

543
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Huge were they when they were alive? The impractical jokers

544
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that maybe laughed that much they were there. That's actually

545
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and they

546
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: didn't realize And maybe that's or that's the prequel to

547
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Everybody Loves Raymond because Brad Garrett is one of those. Okay, true,

548
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: But also you're like, surely those were not their names

549
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: in real life. They just seemed to be that like,

550
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm sure a lot of this is comic stuff,

551
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: but the three Uncles, the way they're characterized, the way

552
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: they behaved, the way they're named, the way they look,

553
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: it just seems like they there's a separate set of

554
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: rules for them, then for Casper and for all the

555
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: other ghosts, they're just kind of doing their own thing,

556
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: the world building, right. I like, I like that they're

557
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the impractical jokers. They joked too hard there, Cassive Jackass Hills,

558
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville and Steve and oh my gosh, yes, Okay,

559
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: So the next morning, Kat and Casper get to know

560
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: each other a little better. He makes her breakfast via

561
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: another breakfast machine, although this is weak. There's only like

562
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: a thing that cracks the egg and puts it in

563
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: a skillet. But the rest he kind of has to

564
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: do himself. But it's not awesome. It's so we were

565
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: trying to remember when we first started talking about the

566
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: breakfast Rube Goldberg machine. The ones that always come to mind. Peewee,

567
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: I feel like has the best one, but Wallace and

568
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Grommet also have one, and Transper has one, Casper has one.

569
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people pointed out one that we missed,

570
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: which was Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I haven't seen that

571
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: it was. Wait, was it, Flubber Flubber had a breakfast machine.

572
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: It's anytime there's a cookie inventor, you've got to have

573
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: a breakfast machine. And I like that rule, right because

574
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: Back to the Future also has a breakfast machine. And

575
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: if you count marmal aid as breakfast food, which for

576
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Paddington he every meal is marmalade, there's a marmalade breakfast

577
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: machine at the beginning of Paddington One. So lots of

578
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: breakfast machines in this movie. Added to the list. Yeah,

579
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I would say it's a low ranking breakfast machine, but

580
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: it makes sense because Casper's dad was a cookie inventor, right, yes, Okay,

581
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: so Casper is making cat breakfast. But then the uncles

582
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: come back and they again, like you mentioned, they kind

583
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: of have Cinderella Casper. They make him do all of

584
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: their chores and cooking and cleaning and all that stuff.

585
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: And Dr Harvey wants to treat the uncles and help

586
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: them resolve their unfinished business and crossover into whatever plane.

587
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: He also doesn't have much of a vested interest in

588
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: helping Casper. Would correct unclear to me because you would

589
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: think that Casper would maybe priority one. He's a kid. Well,

590
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: if you's being treated very poorly, I mean maybe it's

591
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: the airplane rules. You've got to take care of the

592
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: worst one and then you can take care of the

593
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: kid after take right. Um, well, okay, let's examine this.

594
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: The reason the doctor Harvey is even in the movie

595
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: is because he needs to get rid of the ghosts

596
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: so that Carrigan can go into the house and find

597
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: the treasure. But the ghosts aren't causing that much of

598
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: a problem that why can't she just know I feel

599
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: like they would have killed her. I feel like they

600
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: with the rules of this movie, they would have killed her.

601
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: I understand why she's not comfortable going into the house,

602
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: but like it seems like at the beginning, and I

603
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: feel like this would have been a strong character twicet

604
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: if she was just extremely afraid of death. But that's

605
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: not true. She's like not afraid of death at all.

606
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: She can't wait to die so that she can go

607
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: through walls and find a treasure chest that has a

608
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: base ball globe. Such weird logic where she's like, wait

609
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: a second, if I died right now, I could walk

610
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: through this wall and then I could find the treasure.

611
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you could also, just like you were happy

612
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: with bulldozing the house, you could just get an axe

613
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: hack open the wall. But not my business. Nothing makes sense,

614
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: not my clown's, not my circus, okay. Meanwhile, Cat goes

615
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: to her new school where she meets Vic, this boy

616
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: who she thinks it's cute, the most nineties looking boy

617
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: you've ever seen in your life. Just swoop, just a

618
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: blonde swoop. And we also meet Vic's girlfriend who I

619
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: never figured out her name. Oh, Mrs Generic Bully miss

620
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: in this world, there can only be one girl in

621
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: every class, and she's she's a she's a like a rich,

622
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: mean girl. Casper follows Cat to school just in case

623
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: you weren't sure if he you was creepy yet or not.

624
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: Then there's this announcement about a Halloween dance that they

625
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: can't have in the school gym because of asbestos removal.

626
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: So so what I was like, they shouldn't be at

627
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: the school, right, They all like suddenly die, like fifteen

628
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: years after this movie comes out, the whole everyone who

629
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: went to that school, and then it becomes like a

630
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: big true crime thing. But they'll just turn into ghosts.

631
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: That's actually that's why is it? And I also, in

632
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: as far as this movie franchise was willing to go

633
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: in terms of just like body horror and sad things happening,

634
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: it's not off the table. A whole school dying of

635
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: asbestos poisoning actually seems like it would fit right in

636
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: Caspar four. Andyone, start working on it. Let's start working

637
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: on it. Let's get Kathy Moriarty back, love her, get

638
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Christie to reach he back. She's the only survivor. She

639
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: comes back. It's a haunted school of all of her

640
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: childhood bullies. Yeah, because she was only in the school

641
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: for two weeks and then she made it out. Are

642
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: they going to live there now? Right? Do they? Just

643
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: because because Karrigan and Dibbs died, that doesn't mean that

644
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: they get the house. That just goes to somebody else

645
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: or gets repossessed. Doesn't entitle the ghost therapist to a mansion.

646
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: We simply don't know to quote him, possession is nine

647
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: of the law, which means he can't have that house.

648
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: He does not possess the house. Um, Okay, the Halloween

649
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: dance is coming up, and then Cat's classmates find out

650
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: what house she lives in this big spooky manner and

651
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: they're like, let's have the Halloween dance there, And the

652
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: teacher is like, yeah, sounds good to me. Baffling, but

653
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe that is how maybe maybe schools were

654
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: that lax in the nineties years ago, where they were

655
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: like he was like, yeah, great, cool, have a great time.

656
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: I was like, is he is he there? I forget

657
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: he does? He does come to chaperone, he goes well,

658
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: that's good. But it's also like, but I also love

659
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: how they like don't ask anyone's permission because it's not

660
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: her house, right, she shouldn't be throwing a party at

661
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: Carrigin's house. Yeah, they're squatting in the house. And then

662
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: they're like, but also, let's have a party, and he's

663
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: fine with it, and then they have one of the

664
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: more bizarre father daughter conversations ever committed to film. The

665
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: movie is just so weird it is. Okay, So back

666
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: at the house, the uncle's mentioned that they've seen Dr

667
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: Harvey's his wife, which again Amelia baffling. She's an angel,

668
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: why she's visiting their ghosts? The Impractical Jokers She loved

669
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: the show. Um, and Dr Harvey's whole thing is that

670
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: he desperately wants to see his wife because he's got

671
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: unfinished business even though he's alive. So they strike up.

672
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Oh so this is the wild thing that the other

673
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: extremely unprofessional thing that he does as a psychiatrist, where

674
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: even though he's supposed to be giving psychic like you

675
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: know whatever, like psychiatric evaluations, giving therapy to these ghosts,

676
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: trying to you know, help them heal, he's like, well,

677
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: you know what, let's make this about me during our

678
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: first session, and can you go find my wife for

679
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: me wild. He says, I shouldn't be doing this, and

680
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: then he's like, but let me just like immediately like

681
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: he's already doing something. He's already sucked his clients into

682
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: a vacuum, and so he's like, at this point, I

683
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: might as well just do a bad job. I've already

684
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: been nothing but up. So they strike up a deal.

685
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: If Dr Harvey can keep Karagan off of the ghost

686
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: uncle's backs, they will help bring Amelia's ghost or you know,

687
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: spiritual presence to see Dr Harvey. And so he's like, okay, great,

688
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: but then they just end up playing another prank on him.

689
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: So again I'm just like, wow, they're so mean, so mean,

690
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: why would they do that? Speaking of mean people, the

691
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: mean girlfriend of that kid Vic, she has Vic pretend

692
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: to ask Cat to like hang out at the dance,

693
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: like he he would be Cat's date at the dance,

694
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: and Cat is super excited and she says yes, but

695
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Casper wants to go to the dance with Cat, but

696
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I already have a date, and also

697
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: you're a ghost. And then there's a handful of scenes

698
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: where we would just have to like unpack those later

699
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: because Casper is being really creepy and pushy, but it's

700
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: played off as being cute. But they're like, we love this.

701
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: Um yeah, that is just I mean that whole, like

702
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: this whole kind of sequence where like the way Casper

703
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: treats Cat and then how like weirdly negligent her dad is.

704
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: You're just like, we gotta get this kid out of here.

705
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: We gotta get her out of Maine. You know. She

706
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: I hope that you know, she's got like, you know,

707
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: some aunts or uncles that she could talk to because

708
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: her dad is just a mess. Oh yeah, her her

709
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: uncle's thought so stinky and stretch God, they're it's just

710
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: not It made me. It bummed me out so much.

711
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: The scene where it's like I knew what they were

712
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: going for, but it just like felt so bizarre where

713
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Cat like asks her dad, She's like, hey, can I

714
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: have like or maybe she doesn't, She's like, there, we're

715
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: going to have a party here at this place we

716
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: don't live. We never see the scene where she asks

717
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: if that dance can happen at the house, right, and

718
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: which you would think wouldn't be allowed, but anyways, she

719
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: scene starts as if they've already agreed on it, and

720
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: she's like I want to wear something nice, like date nice,

721
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: and which is like she's like twelve or thirteen. That's

722
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: like not unreasonable, sure coming with age. I get it,

723
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: but the way he reacts is so bizarre, where he like,

724
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: immediately I was like, oh, I should give you the

725
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: sex talk and she's like, no, that's okay, and he's

726
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: like why are like he basically implies like why are

727
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: you having sex? I'm like, dude, she's twelve, why are

728
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: you acting like this? And then she's but then she's

729
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of like ha ha no, no, I going on,

730
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: why is she not like you? What it is? His

731
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: inability to connect with his daughter is staggering, especially because

732
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: he's a mental health professional. There are Okay, now, this

733
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: free performance in this movie is camp and I would

734
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: say that two mm hmm. Bill Palman and Kathy Moriarty

735
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: are tied for me for campiest performances of the movie.

736
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: I think Christina Ricci actually kind of keeps it pretty grounded.

737
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: But sometimes, like Bill Palman is acting so cartoonishly weird

738
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: in a way that like it's kind of confusing given

739
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: what his part is. We're sometimes he's like yeah, whatever

740
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: and You're like, I don't he You're supposed to be

741
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: a grieving single father. Like, his performance makes no sense.

742
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I get why Kathy Moriarty and Eric Idols performances that

743
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: makes total sense. They're basically home alone villains. Like, yeah,

744
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: that works. But yeah Bill Pullman being like especially when

745
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: he like he gets drunk and then makes out with

746
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: all three of the ghost uncles and then falls off

747
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: of a clue and Stinky says, no homo. But the

748
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: other two are kind of loving it. Movie so weird

749
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: the wild. Okay, So that was the creepiest scene to me,

750
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: was him asking his twelve year old if she's had

751
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: sex before. You're just like, yeah, I don't know why

752
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: that was listen to a guidance counselor um. Okay, so

753
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: we just saw the scene where Casper was being extra

754
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: creepy to Cat. Then Cat finds a bunch of Casper's

755
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: old like toys and things. She sets them up to

756
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: help him remember stuff about his past, which he was

757
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: having trouble remembering. And then I was like, wow, Spirited

758
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: Away parallels much because it's a young girl and a

759
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: spirit boy and she helps him remember his past. I

760
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: really love that scene. Where Casper is like my train,

761
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's cute. She doesn't like that. I

762
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: wish that this movie would have just been like or

763
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: I guess your general would have like just been okay

764
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: with this being a friendship because that angle is really cute,

765
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: and like she does this very sweet friendship gesture and

766
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: then it like moves the plat forward in a very

767
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: logical way, and it's like, yeah, they don't need to kiss.

768
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: He's a fucking computer ghost clost anyways, until he's Devin

769
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: Saw we'll get there. Um my confusing. I don't get

770
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: the Devin Sawa appeal, and I never have, I never will.

771
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I am just so youthful that I don't really know

772
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: why I'm supposed to care about Devin Sawa because I'm seventeen. Jamie. Yeah,

773
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: happy birthday, thank you. I can't wait to buy cigarettes

774
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: with you. Cool. Cool. Oh, okay, So she's so Cat

775
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: is helping Casper remember who he used to be. Then

776
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: it's the night of the party, Casper finds a dress

777
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: for Cat to wear, and then Casper's by the way,

778
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: I remember how I died, And here's what it was,

779
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: was that his mother's wedding dress or was that just

780
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: like an old dress. I really, I'm not sure they're

781
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: explicitly say it's her wedding dress. I don't think so,

782
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: but it looks like a wedding dress. Yeah, I don't know. Um. So,

783
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: then Kat finds a newspaper clipping about Casper's dad who

784
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: claimed to be haunted by the ghost of his dead son.

785
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: Then he invented a machine to bring his son back

786
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: to life. And Casper's like, oh, yeah, the Lazarus This

787
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: is cool. So he remembers where it is. It's in

788
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: the house, like in the basement or something. So he

789
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: leads Cat to this machine. There's a whole like literal

790
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: roller coaster conveyor belt thing that it takes you into

791
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: this like Phantom of the Opera style basement laboratory. It

792
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: is awesome. This whole like sequence really just makes me

793
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: so happy. I love it. Yeah, it's very cool. Meanwhile,

794
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Karagan and Dibbs are snooping around the house and they

795
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: follow Cat and Casper to the lab and then Casper

796
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: goes into the Lazarus machine to be brought back to life.

797
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: Cat fires up the machine, but then Karagan sneaks in

798
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: and steals the red plot liquid that powers the machine

799
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: before basically say it's plot liquid too. Like she's like,

800
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: what's this. He's like, it's kind of this juice that

801
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: brings you back to life. There's only one anyways, Like

802
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, I guess this is the world building.

803
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Good job, everybody. So then Krragan's logic is she will

804
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: kill Dibbs. He will turn into a ghost and be

805
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: able to float through the walls to find the treasure

806
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: they're looking for, and then she can use this red

807
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: ghost liquid to bring him back to life. But as

808
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: she's trying to kill him, she accidentally kills herself by

809
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: falling off of a cliff, and then she comes back

810
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: as a ghost. You see her fall off the cliff too.

811
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: It's yes, exactly what I did. I did think it

812
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: was funny that they're like, Okay, we can watch Kathy

813
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: Morrie already fall off a cliff because she's the bad guy.

814
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: But Bill Paulman is a good guy who also ostensibly

815
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff or like pulls off like a balcony.

816
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: He yeah, he dies from a fall, but you can't.

817
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: We can't see Bill Pullman fall right, even though I

818
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: think you know, sometimes I'm like I I like Kathy

819
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: Moriarty much more than Bill Pullman. Bill Pullman's walking around

820
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: thinking he's a good person. Well he's not a very

821
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: good dad, true, but he's so hot. Okay, So she

822
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: comes back as a ghost. Meanwhile, the ghost uncles are

823
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: trying to kill Dr Harvey at a karaoke night at

824
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: a bar while they're all black out drunk. But Dr

825
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: Harvey again is too drunk to notice that they're trying

826
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: to like murder him with gun and crowbars and stuff,

827
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: and he's like, I love you guys, You're my best friends.

828
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: And then he falls off a balcony and dies. Then

829
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: back at the Manner, Karagan as a ghost has found

830
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: the treasure. We don't see the scene where she figures

831
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: out where it was or anything like that, but she

832
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: comes back with a treasure chest, and Casper and Cat

833
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: steal the red Liquid back from her and then trick

834
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: her into admitting that she doesn't have any unfinished business.

835
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: So she crosses over and like ceases to be a

836
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: ghost and disappears and leaves the red plot liquid and

837
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: the treasure behind. Also, I skipped the part where she

838
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: kills Eric Idol, but she just sends him through a window.

839
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get an Eric Idol ghost.

840
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: I always am waiting for it to show up. It

841
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: never does. I was wondering because I was thinking of

842
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters with this due to c G I ghosts right,

843
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: And one of the things we talked to about the

844
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: first Ghostbusters movie is that male coded ghosts can look

845
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: like anything like this a general animation problem. But women

846
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: ghosts can only look like conventionally hot women that you

847
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: can see through. I don't know that this it's hard

848
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: to say again, like this movie is kind of lawless

849
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: in that regard because it just seems like Casper and

850
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: the uncles are all obviously like male code of ghosts,

851
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: and they look weird. But then it's like, if you

852
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: were already a famous actor, you'll just look like that

853
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: famous actor as a ghost. In a way that felt

854
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: because originally, when Karagan came back, I'm like, oh, this

855
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: is Ghostbusters rules, but then you're like, no, Bill Pullman's

856
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: ghost looks exactly like Bill Pullman. I wonder if when

857
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: you become a ghost, right at first, like right after

858
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: you die, you more closely resemble what you looked like

859
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: in life. But then the longer you're a ghost, the

860
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: more cartoonist you you start to look, as I kind

861
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: of like that, as you like lose touch with your

862
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: past and yourself, you kind of just turned into this

863
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: like a blob, blobby cartoon character. Cannon, I like it,

864
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: thank you, Okay, they killed car again. They make her

865
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: like cross back over and the treasure chest opens and

866
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: it turns out to be a baseball and glove because

867
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: those were Casper's treasures when he was alive, and that

868
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: was the mcguffin. Basically just there's like you're just like sure, okay,

869
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: which is like that's whatever, cute, fine, Yeah, this at

870
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: this point, so many things you just are like Cat

871
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: is never going to recover from this night. This night

872
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: is so traumatic for her. And when she finds out

873
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: that her mom returned as an angel and didn't even

874
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: say hi, I don't know what she's going to do

875
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: that I can never That's the problem I've had since

876
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I was like, if my mom

877
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: passed away, came back as an angel and only talked

878
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: to my dad and Casper the friendly ghost when I

879
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: was right there, I would be so pissed that did

880
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: not even occur to me until you said that. But

881
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: that fucked up not very angelic behavior if you ask me. No. Okay.

882
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, while all this is happening, Cat's class has

883
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: shown up for the Halloween party, and that's happening upstairs.

884
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh and then Dr Harvey's ghost because Cat's dad has

885
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman has become a ghost after falling off of

886
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: the balcony when he was black out drunk. He shows up,

887
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: doesn't remember who Cat is at first, but then he's like,

888
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I forgot again. You're just like, oh, there's

889
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: just Tonal. Another moment of total dissidence with the Bill

890
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: Pullman performance where she's so sad like obviously she was

891
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: found out her father died. She's an orphan, and he

892
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: was like like yeah, pull my finger, like he doesn't

893
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: remember her, which also doesn't track with like the ghost rules,

894
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: because Kathy Moriarty ghost remembers everything about what's been going

895
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: on when she was still alive. She hasn't like suddenly

896
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: forgotten there's anything about who she is or what she's

897
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: trying to do. But Bill Pullman, there are no rules.

898
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Eric Idol doesn't even get to be a ghost. I

899
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: don't know why I truly have like they ran out

900
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: of ghost budget. Maybe they're like, we can only make six.

901
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: We're budgeted for six ghosts, and we can't make a

902
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: single ghost more. This did have a budget of fifty

903
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: five million dollars. That's a lot of dollars in especially

904
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: a lot, but this movie made so much money. I mean,

905
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: every yeah kid on the planet saw this damn movie

906
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: and it's and it's a good thing they did because

907
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: it's because it teaches you good lessons. Yeah, like that

908
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: you should stalk your romantic interest from a young age.

909
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: Christina re Young. I meant more to get drunk with

910
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: ghosts and being negligent. That was. There's so many bad

911
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: things you could take away from this movie, but I

912
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: just feel like it moves so fast and it's so confusing.

913
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: It's uh. I wonder if anyone was able to take

914
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: anything away from this movie other than what the what?

915
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: What what am I looking at? Yeah? Good? Good point?

916
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: Um Okay. So Dr Harvey's ghost is back, and then

917
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Casper sacrifices his chance of being brought back to life

918
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: so that they can use the Lazarus Machine and the

919
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Red plot liquid to bring Dr harvey back to life,

920
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: which they do kind of beautiful, such a beautiful sacrifice,

921
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: if only the stakes hadn't been established one minute previous

922
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: to this happening exactly. It happens so like it is

923
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: a very noble sacrifice, but it is like everything happens inside,

924
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: like that whole loop is closed inside five minutes. It's

925
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: so bizarre. So then Kat goes back upstairs to the

926
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Halloween party. Meanwhile, Casper is in his room. He's all

927
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: sad that he can't go to the party. But then

928
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: Cat's mom slash Dr Harvey's his wife Amelia, shows up

929
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: as an angel and turns Casper into a human boy,

930
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: which will last until ten pm. So he goes to

931
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: the dance and he's Devin Salwa and he dances with

932
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Kat and then they float and then he says, can

933
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: I keep you for the second time? And you're like, nope,

934
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: it's not better in person. It's it's weird whether it's

935
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: the cartoon or a door of or of a fleshy

936
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: as they put it right. And so they're dancing and

937
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: and then we're like, I guess. And then Amelia visits

938
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: Dr Harvey and she's like she basically says, I'm dead.

939
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: You have to stop looking for me, get over it.

940
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: See you when I see you. That. My mom would

941
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: always cry when she would give the advice because it

942
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: is cute. It's a little cute specific, but but when

943
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: you think about how many things he's doing wrong as

944
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: a parent, definitely not the top three recommendations I would

945
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: have made. I would have been like, trying not to

946
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: get blackout drunk the night you're supposed to be chaperoning

947
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: your daughter's party. Try not to squat in houses you

948
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: don't own, which unless it's absolutely necessary, which it doesn't

949
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: seem like it is in this case. Don't make your

950
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: daughter switch school systems once every for two weeks. Yeah,

951
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: because what she actually says is don't feed cat French

952
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: fries for breakfast. And it's like, yeah, he's doing way

953
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: worse stuff than that. I was like, he's doing that too.

954
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you don't even see that. I take

955
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: it back. You you should squat in places you don't own,

956
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: because property ownership is one of the greatest scams perpetuated

957
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: of all time. But he's just doing so much wrong.

958
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: He's doing so much wrong. Yeah, exactly, so, Amelia. I mean,

959
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: she says it nicer than that, but she's just like,

960
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: you loved me so much that I don't have any

961
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: unfinished business, so you can stop looking for me. You

962
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: did a great job. But she's dating stinky. She's like,

963
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: it's not telling me. She's like, just keep doing a

964
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: great job parenting. And we're like, he's not though, And

965
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: then we cut back to Kat and Devin saw on

966
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: the dance floor. They kiss, and then the clock strikes ten,

967
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: so he turns back into Casper and all the kids

968
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, there's a ghost and they

969
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: run away, and then the uncle's who I guess are nice,

970
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: now strike up their rock band if they literally. The

971
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: plot indicates that when Bill Palman kisses them they become nice.

972
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: That is the turning point. Yeah, they're bad. They're pointing

973
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: a gun at his head ten seconds before, and then

974
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: he kisses them and they've become nice. Fine by me,

975
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: kiss your friends. That's exactly to quote one of the greats,

976
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: assuming they consent to it. All right, So that's the movie.

977
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we'll come back, and we're back.

978
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: I think we covered a lot of this in text, yes,

979
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: but I mean one of the first big I mean,

980
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of broad nineties tropes and it just

981
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: like late twenty century movie tropes that are present in

982
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: this movie. That I mean when that stood out that

983
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet is the character of Fats

984
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: So who is um? I mean, that's just used clearly

985
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: as a punching down joke in a movie instantly no

986
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: body diversity. Otherwise, there's a ton of like references made

987
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: in this movie, one of which is like make fun

988
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: of Oprah's weight, which is I can't think of a

989
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: more problematic thing to do get a life, um that. So,

990
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean that character in general was just like a

991
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: joke bucket for offensive jokes, all of which have aged poorly,

992
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: especially when Yeah, there's nobody diversity or really diversity at

993
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: all in this movie. I think that there's like truly

994
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: not two black actors with speaking roles. There's like a

995
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: teacher and a student, but other than that, it's like

996
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: they're on screen for like hardly any time at all. Yeah,

997
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: It's like, I know, this movie canonically happens in Maine,

998
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: but it's a fucking movie and there's non white people

999
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: who live in Maine and very nineties. And then there's

1000
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about this whole time, which is

1001
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: the creepy stalker relationship that is like not necessary, and

1002
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: if you get it out of the way, it could

1003
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: have been a really nice friendship story, could have just

1004
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: been a friendship again, and and one like you pointed out,

1005
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: Casper doesn't need to lure them in, like that could

1006
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: have happened more organically, where like Karrigan just finds out

1007
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: about Dr Harvey on her own, she hires them, they

1008
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: come to the house, and then Casper and cat meat

1009
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: from that and then they just become friends. But instead

1010
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: it's like this weird and we talk about all the

1011
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: time on the show, these like coercive stockery romances. The

1012
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: start by usually a man just being really creepy at

1013
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: a woman and maybe she pushes back at first, but

1014
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: eventually it ends up working and she'll kiss him by

1015
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. And for that to be

1016
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: in a kids movie where the characters are twelve is

1017
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: just like feels especially sinister. It's such a bummer and

1018
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: it's like I I again, the only thing I can

1019
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: say is there's so much k uked in this movie

1020
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: that it's not something that I don't think I internalized

1021
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: it in this movie specifically as a kid. But I

1022
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: also do remember that like can I Keep you A

1023
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: line was supposed to be like very romantic and you're

1024
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: like pretty pretty scary delivered in any in any form

1025
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: of Casper, it doesn't age great. And yeah, just like

1026
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean any like if like any movie or most

1027
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: movies of this era will shoehorn in love story for

1028
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: kids in a way that yeah, like if you're that

1029
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: age watching the movie, like, it's just weird. It's not

1030
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: necessary and even story wise, it like actively detracts from

1031
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: what you would want, like Casper's whole motivation as a

1032
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: characters he wants a friend, like not a girl friend

1033
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: and like like a human girl to kiss. It's very

1034
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: bizarre like and it's and it feels like, yeah, that's

1035
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: why I'm sort of like I wonder if that was

1036
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: like a a weird studio notes thing, because it feels

1037
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: like every character in this movie needs a friend to

1038
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: some extent, because you see that in the in the

1039
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: dad character, he befriends the uncle's the uncle's befriend him,

1040
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: and then they both theoretically become better for having friends.

1041
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: They're also making out each other, you know, I don't

1042
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: know I don't know what's going on there. I guess

1043
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: the sequels, Bill Palman was not available to make out

1044
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: with ghosts anymore. Um, but it was like, oh, you know,

1045
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: through making friends you're able to move forward through life

1046
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: and like move past your own grief is like as

1047
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: close to like a moral as I could sort of

1048
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: get this story. So you would think that like, yeah,

1049
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: like Bill Palman doesn't fall in love with anybody. Yeah,

1050
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: it's just it just feels very forced and ages poorly,

1051
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: and also like didn't really work at the time either.

1052
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't like it, right, but I think that no

1053
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: one this concept of just like a boy or man

1054
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: being creepy and coercive and getting a girl that way

1055
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: had already been so normalized. And then like so like

1056
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: if I'm watching this as a kid and I'm like, oh, wow,

1057
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's what romance looks like. And then you're

1058
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: just like indoctrinated into this mindset at an early age,

1059
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: and then you watch a movie like The Notebook ten

1060
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: years later or whatever, and you're like, well, yeah, movies

1061
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: like Casper taught me that this is how it is,

1062
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: this is how romance goes. So I just like I

1063
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: think it's so sinister that I would just kind of

1064
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: like want to briefly go through the beats of this

1065
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: because we touched on some of them already. But then

1066
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: there's that scene that we skipped over in the recap

1067
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: that's like especially gross. So Casper sees Cat on that

1068
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: like new segment, he instantly falls in love with her.

1069
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't really make sense. Again, you think he would be

1070
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: intrigued by the idea that there's this ghost therapist who

1071
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: can like help him crossover and deal with his unfinished business,

1072
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: and like that would make more sense in the narrative

1073
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: of like what's motivating him. But instead he's like, oh,

1074
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: Christina Ricci is a person I've never met, but I

1075
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: love her because I saw her on TV. So he

1076
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: then manipulates Karagan into hiring Dr Harvey so that Cat

1077
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: will come. So again he just like lures Cat there

1078
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: for his own selfish reasons. Then there's that scene where

1079
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: he keeps telling her that he wants to go to

1080
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: the dance with her. She says, no, I already have

1081
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: a date. He keeps being very pushy. He's like, well,

1082
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: what does he have that I don't have? And he's like,

1083
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: if I was alive with you if I was this,

1084
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: if I was that. Yeah, she keeps saying like no, no, no,

1085
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: I already told you I have a date. Then he

1086
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: turns into like Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator. This reminded

1087
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: me of Twilight a lot, weirdly, because it's like a

1088
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: guy who has been dead for a long time and

1089
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: so like they like because you know how like Edward

1090
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: calls like, I'm a million years old. I'm you know,

1091
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm an old man, and you're a teenager and you're

1092
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: my girlfriend. Casper has been dead for a long time.

1093
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: They both suddenly sees the object of their obsession and

1094
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: with them out a window, and then that is what

1095
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: motivates the female character to fall in love with them. Right, Yeah,

1096
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot, yeah, a lot of parallels in Twilight.

1097
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, Spider Monkey, let's run around, and

1098
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: she was like t he okay. In Casper, he pulls

1099
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,440
Speaker 1: her out, the window drops her. Then so many balcony

1100
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: falls in this movie, right, Oh my god, he saves her.

1101
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: She's still screaming, and then we immediately cut to a

1102
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: scene where they're sitting on a lighthouse and she's swooning.

1103
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: She's saying, Oh my god, this view is beautiful, and

1104
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: then he goes on to like tell her about, oh,

1105
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember my past and I don't know who

1106
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: I was, so like, I feel like he's just like

1107
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: using all this emotional manipulation and then also just like

1108
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: straight up creepy coercive stuff too. I agree that he's

1109
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: using creepy coercive stalk or behavior when it gets to

1110
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: like the stuff if he doesn't remember his past. I

1111
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: didn't even I didn't clock that as emotional manipulation. I

1112
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: just kind of clocked that as like not very good.

1113
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't if he hadn't already done all that other stuff.

1114
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: But then I feel like that could be and you

1115
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: could interpret that is like, well could be interpreted that way,

1116
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: like you know, I I have her in my clutches

1117
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: and this kind of seals the deal to get her

1118
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: to like me and to care about me, which is

1119
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: a bummer because again it's like if it had just

1120
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: been presented as a friendship and they meet more by chance,

1121
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: you could have that exact same scene and it could

1122
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: play very very differently. It could work just fine, exactly, Yeah,

1123
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: because it's she's what she's like saying, actually, like is

1124
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, thoughtful and empathetic and they're like sharing experiences

1125
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: about like she has lost a parent and like she's

1126
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: talking a little bit about that, and you know that's

1127
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: a big part of her character and it's like, just

1128
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: let them connect on that level because yeah, like you're

1129
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: talking about because all that stuff happens before, it adds

1130
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: this like layer of baggage and like weird coercive e

1131
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't need to be there, and you yeah,

1132
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that scene could play out. You know,

1133
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: they could just be up on the lighthouse together without

1134
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like because he's already manipulated

1135
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: several people and been super creepy. Yeah. I just I

1136
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: was like, I feel like he's just I don't know,

1137
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: like he I see what you're saying. Yeah. Um. So

1138
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: they have that conversation and then they go back to

1139
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: the house. He's like, I don't know, talking her into

1140
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: bed or something, but she's like kind of drifting off

1141
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: to sleep and he whispers in her ear, can I

1142
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: keep you? She is like as pretty asleep by this point,

1143
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: and then he kisses her on the cheek when she

1144
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: is not conscious. She thinks it's like a draft coming in.

1145
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: She's like close the window, but he's like kissing her

1146
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: and being like can I keep you? That stuff is yucky? Gross?

1147
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: And then at the end when he's a human Devin

1148
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: sawwa and you're like why are we doing this? And

1149
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: he says can I keep you? Again? And and then

1150
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: she's like wait, who is this right? Because she also

1151
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: doesn't even know that's Casper at first Devin saw Whata

1152
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: just comes up to her and takes her hand and

1153
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: like leads her onto the dance floor, and she's like huh.

1154
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: And then when he says like can I keep you?

1155
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: Is that the moment when she's like wait are you Casper?

1156
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: There's something that like she doesn't know. I mean that

1157
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 1: I didn't view as like co worker up. I just

1158
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: thought that was weird because it's like she doesn't know

1159
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: anyone and at this school really, so it's like if

1160
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: she saw a boy she wanted to dance with, like

1161
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: probably she wouldn't have known him anyways. And it's like

1162
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: not like she's being like dragged out, like she's going

1163
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: like she's going, but it's just like another weird writing Boemt.

1164
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, yeah, she has no idea who this is.

1165
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: This is she as far as she knows, this is

1166
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: just like a boy from her school. I feel like

1167
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: you needed me to this party at her house that

1168
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: is not her house. I feel else's happen, right. I

1169
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: feel like you needed something similar to that moment in

1170
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast where Beasts turns into a human

1171
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: and Belle is looking at him skeptically and then she

1172
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: looks deep into his eyes. She's like, you have the

1173
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: same eyes as beast, and then she's like it is

1174
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: you and he's like t he. I feel like we

1175
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: needed a moment like that right away, right, because otherwise

1176
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: you're like, what is? What is? It's hard to put

1177
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: yourself in Cat's head for this scene because it's like,

1178
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: why is she looking all googly at if she's like

1179
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: if she doesn't, right, I like, look, it's not. I

1180
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: love that this movie was written by women too. Credited

1181
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: writers Sherry Stoner and Diana Oliver, both of whom are

1182
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: also actors and have been in really famous cartoons. Diana

1183
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: Oliver is in The Brave Little Toaster and wrote on

1184
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: Animaniacs and Tiny Tuoned Adventures. Uh. Harry Stoner was the

1185
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: voice of Slappy on Animaniacs. And they also wrote a

1186
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: movie that I definitely saw in theaters and couldn't tell

1187
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,839
Speaker 1: you a single thing that happens in it. My favorite Martian,

1188
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: remember that I know of it. They also wrote that

1189
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: Sherry Stoner, this is bizarre, speaking of Beauty and the

1190
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: beast Um, she was an animation reference model for Ariel

1191
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: and Bell. They're just kind of iconic figures. And they

1192
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: wrote Casper like, I love it, but it's just a

1193
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of things that happened in this movie that make

1194
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: no sense truly. Yeah, I mean, it is unusual for

1195
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: women to write like major motion pictures in the nineties, right,

1196
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, I think it's a really good thing,

1197
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: and I fully I want to believe that a lot

1198
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: of the weird romantic stuff is being pushed from a

1199
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: studio standpoints studio. Also, I read that J. J. Abrams

1200
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: did an uncredited rewrite of the script, so maybe some

1201
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: of the weirdness came from his rewrite. We don't know,

1202
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: hard to track. Let's blame him, why not, Let's blame J. J.

1203
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 1: Abrams what We could blame him for a lot of things, true.

1204
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: We Yeah, So, I mean the thing that sucks about

1205
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: that is I really like Kat as a character. Like

1206
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: I think that if that relationship with her and Casper

1207
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: had been stripped down to a friendship, it would have

1208
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: done justice to her character so much her because it's

1209
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: like she's she's a Christina Ricci character, and at this point,

1210
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: Christina Ricci has already been Wednesday Adams. She's sort of

1211
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: like she's going to be in the ghost movies for

1212
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: a while, spooky big how you know, Hunted Mansion movies. Yeah, yeah,

1213
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: And it's like she she's I don't know, like she

1214
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: maybe I just have such nostalgia for this character, but

1215
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: like she is like grieving her mother, She's struggling to

1216
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: fit in at school. She like has a tough relationship

1217
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: with her father because she like understandably resents him for

1218
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: like dragging her around the country because he won't go

1219
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: to therapy. Like all of this, Like there's a lot

1220
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: going on, and like she still managed to be like

1221
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: very motivated. She's empathetic to the people around her, but

1222
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: like not at the sacrifice of her own story. Like

1223
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: I do think that there's a lot of cool things

1224
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: about that character that like if you had taken out

1225
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: the weird predatory relationship stuff that's being pushed on a

1226
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: twelve year old. You could have made some space for

1227
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: like even more coming of age stuff. Um, that would

1228
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: have been cool because I like, I like the coming

1229
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: of age stuff that's there, but it's kind of stripped

1230
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: down to like she makes a friend, but also he's

1231
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of her boyfriend, and like it's like, though she

1232
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: should make a friend. I would have loved to see

1233
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: her make a friend at school. I would have loved

1234
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: to see her have a conversation with her angel mom.

1235
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: Like it just felt like there are a lot of

1236
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: missed opportunities. Um, she's pretty active in the like I mean,

1237
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: the whole climax of the movie. Again, I'm just like

1238
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can get to gender

1239
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: on it because it's just such a weird mess. Um.

1240
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: But like she's pretty active in that climactic seed. But

1241
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: like also everyone's kind of doing their own thing in

1242
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: that scene. Like, I just I think Cat is an

1243
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: awesome character, and I wish that the main thrust of

1244
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: the story wasn't her anding up was sort of a

1245
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: ghost boyfriend, although it seems like the second he turns

1246
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: back into a ghost that is off the table, so

1247
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: you're just like, why did we even do it then? Right,

1248
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: like she only wants to kiss him when he's Devin Sawa.

1249
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: And also that was you know, a surprise kiss and

1250
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, like all this ship that we've been

1251
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: talking about for years. But it's just it sucks that

1252
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: the takeaways from her character is she forgives her father's

1253
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: bad parenting and she has like a ghost boyfriend, when

1254
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: the basis of the character there's like potential for so

1255
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: much more. I like that. I wish that she had

1256
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: had she'd been given more cool stuff to do. Yes,

1257
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: I think there could have been a more meaningful subplot

1258
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: and resolution between her and her father. I think there

1259
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: could have been a more meaningful subplot about how she's

1260
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: experiencing the loss of her mother and you know, like

1261
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: how she's dealing with that grief. And again, if she

1262
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: had had some closure there, like if her mom angel

1263
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: came and talked to her, then it could have also

1264
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: passed the snubbed by her mom. So weird, but so

1265
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: much real estate, and the movie is taken up by

1266
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: this creepy predatory romance between twelve year olds. It's so bizarre.

1267
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: I did find there to be traces of the precocious

1268
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: twelve year old girl trope with Cat. It's not the

1269
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: worst example I've ever seen, but I felt like you

1270
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: could make the argument that there are traces, but in

1271
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: a way that would you argue in a way that's

1272
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: like harmful because it's not even like she's a bookish kid,

1273
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: like I think she's just like lonely and right and

1274
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: I think has some good lines. I think she is

1275
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: well rounded enough and just like a multidimensional enough character

1276
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: that other aspects of her character that she doesn't necessarily

1277
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: fall into that trompe super squarely. But I don't know,

1278
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just the sad alone. Maybe it was

1279
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: just the scene where they're like turning on the power

1280
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: in the house when they first get there, and she's like, yeah,

1281
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: we need all these twenty volt bulbs or like I don't.

1282
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: She says something she knows all about electricity, and I'm

1283
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: why do you hate Casper? There? There, It's like definitely, no,

1284
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: it's definitely a Quippie script. Like I just through something.

1285
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: It's definitely like a quip a Quippi script. But it's

1286
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: I think it's like I think it's more just like

1287
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: that's how everyone sounds in this movie, and she and

1288
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Casper are the only kids that you really get because

1289
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: it's like the bullies are like have these weird quippy

1290
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: lines too, and they're like making references that are kind

1291
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: of out of pocket given they're like, you know, she's

1292
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: like she you know, she knows who Stephen King is.

1293
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: But that's just because the script wants to reference the

1294
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: fact that they're in Maine, Like, I don't know, she

1295
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: definitely is like precocious, but don't I mean, yeah, it's

1296
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: not even that's not even always a universally bad trope.

1297
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a trope that exists. Sometimes

1298
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: it sucks and is like problematic, but I feel like

1299
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 1: it only for me. It's mainly an issue if it

1300
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: implies that a kid is like worldly in a way

1301
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: that is permissive for adults to treat them not like

1302
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: a kid. But I don't think that that's really what's

1303
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: happening here. I think she just is like I agree

1304
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:35,719
Speaker 1: with you, Um, I didn't have much else except for

1305
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: it also feels a bit tropy to me, the like

1306
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: a man's motivation is his dead wife. I'm like, for sure, Well, yeah,

1307
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: I had a little bit about the mom too. I

1308
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: think that like that whole thing is like a little

1309
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: like do we know what the mom did? No, we

1310
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: don't know if she had a job. Her daughter's memories

1311
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: are of her cooking breakfast and smelling good and being

1312
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: It's not to say like they're like if she didn't

1313
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: have a job or like any of that that would

1314
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: make her less of a mother. It just is like

1315
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: in terms of trope, like she remembers her mom doing

1316
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: only very like feminine domestic things. Um, we don't really

1317
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: get any background on the mom in a way that

1318
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: actually kind of does feel agreed, just like it doesn't

1319
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: with Karagan, because Karagan is like straight up a cartoon

1320
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: character as his DIBs. But like the mom, we're supposed

1321
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: to really be feeling this loss, and the things that

1322
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: you know about her are very vague. And I feel

1323
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,879
Speaker 1: like that the whole concept of like the angelic mother character,

1324
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, I get like it's just kind

1325
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: of in a way that a lot of stuff in

1326
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: this movie is kind of like stocky and lazy. Yeah,

1327
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, like movies and culture in general, Like

1328
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: I do think that there is like this obviously like

1329
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: nothing but respect for mother's braver than the troops. It's

1330
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to be like, oh, but I just feel

1331
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: like there's a there's this creepy halo given to the

1332
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: concept of motherhood in movies that I feel like it

1333
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: is also like on the back end of that used

1334
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: to demonized childless women or like the best a woman

1335
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: can be is if she is a mother. Um. And

1336
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: you can kind of see that in And I don't

1337
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: know how intentional this was, if at all, but like

1338
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, like the dead mom is an angel and

1339
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: Karagan is like a childless woman in her thirties and

1340
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: she's hell and she's evil and she's a horny murderer

1341
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah when you know. So the mom

1342
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: stuff I just thought was it's again it sucks because

1343
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: I like the actor who plays the mom. I think

1344
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: she's like great, but yeah, if you're going to do

1345
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: all that, at least have the mom talk to her

1346
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: daughter like what you do wing um. Yeah, So the

1347
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: mom stuff kind of pined a little weird for me

1348
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: because she just becomes yeah, she's like a fairy godmother too, Casper,

1349
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, but it's just it's just bizarre. Um. Yeah,

1350
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: they felt like there was some ginded stereotypes going on

1351
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: with the mom. I feel like if we had maybe

1352
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: gotten some flashbacks and maybe this would have been corny.

1353
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: But also this is a very corny, campy movie. But

1354
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: like some flashbacks between Cat and her mom. You know,

1355
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman can be there too. But if it's like

1356
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: Cat reflecting on memories of her mother, and then that

1357
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: way we would get to learn about the mom a

1358
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: bit more and we could see two female characters interacting

1359
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: more in a way that we barely. All you really

1360
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: get is Kathy Moriarty grabbing Christina for face, which did

1361
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: pass the back to all to do unfortunalitly. Um, if

1362
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: you're Kathy Moriorty grabbing a teenager's face, it pass passes.

1363
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: And it does pass. What was that line that Eric

1364
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: Idle says that you that passes. Oh, he says something like,

1365
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live in a house with purple curtains and

1366
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: green carpets, and I'm going to have a little dog

1367
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: named Karagan. A bitch just like you passes the Bectel test.

1368
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: And also Kathy Moriarty says the Bitch is Back. They

1369
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: get to say bitch twice in this movie. That's something

1370
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: I miss about children's movies is getting to say bitch

1371
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: two times. Kids love that ship. I love it when

1372
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: people say bitch, especially when it's Kathy Moriarty talking about herself,

1373
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: Like that's a very empowering use of the word. When

1374
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Kathy Moriarty calls herself a bitch, that passes the Bechtel test.

1375
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: That definitely does for sure. So yeah, I just I

1376
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: think the movie like started to set up some interesting

1377
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 1: themes and storylines, and then they just got forgotten about

1378
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: in the interest of showing this predatory romance um where

1379
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: Casper is a perverted creep. I also, yeah, and it's

1380
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: like and and we've talked about this before, there's not

1381
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: a ton of big movies that are about like single dads.

1382
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: I think it's always an interesting opportunity to see single dads,

1383
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: especially single dad's with daughters where it's like, I get that,

1384
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: you know that that's set up in the movie of

1385
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: like there's some dissonance he doesn't he still is like

1386
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: adjusting to the idea of being a single parent. There's

1387
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: plenty of like kids watching that movie I'm sure that

1388
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: are like could connect with that experience. But then he

1389
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: like is kind of a shitty parent and she just

1390
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: accepts it eventually, and so that felt like a missed

1391
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: opportunity as well. But again, it's like it's Casper. Um.

1392
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: But but every kid in the planet sees a movie

1393
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: like this, and I and I do agree that it's like,

1394
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: there are only things that would stick with you from

1395
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 1: this movie that you've probably already seen. Unfortunately, in other movies,

1396
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: by the time you see Casper, you've probably seen a

1397
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: weird child predatory relationship already, You've already seen bad parenting

1398
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: from Father's Excused as kind of funny. Um, mom's Mommy

1399
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: is angel Like. These are all things that come up

1400
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: in movies pretty frequently. Um, dead moms in general, we

1401
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: love a dead mom in children's media and nineties movies

1402
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: for kids, get her out of there, but then bring

1403
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: her back and have her give a plot. Disney doesn't

1404
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: do that to the dead moms. I will say the

1405
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: funniest part of rewatching this movie was because I very

1406
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: clearly remember being touched when when the dad dies and

1407
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: then he comes back to life. I just forgot that

1408
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: that all happened inside of three minutes what I don't know. Anyways,

1409
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: this movie does technically pass the back to test, which is, um,

1410
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: we celebrate that, good for them, good for them. Let's

1411
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: let's get into our nipple scale. Yes, zero to five

1412
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: nipples based on how the movie does when we look

1413
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: at it through an intersectional feminist lens, and I would

1414
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: say this movie for me only gets like maybe a

1415
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: nipple and a half because as much as I do

1416
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: like Christina Ricci as Cat and I do think she's

1417
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: given a fair amount to do in this story, it

1418
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,839
Speaker 1: would have all worked so much better for me if

1419
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't all overshadowed by her getting stalked and coerced

1420
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: by a perverted ghost boy. So I hate that if

1421
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: it had just been a friendship between them that happened

1422
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: more organically, and if there had been kind of more

1423
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 1: focus on some other either like internal or external struggle

1424
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: she was dealing with, like her struggle to make friends

1425
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: because her dad moves her around too much, and you

1426
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: know she she's dealing with grief from losing her mom,

1427
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,440
Speaker 1: And how does that manifest in her choices and behavior,

1428
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: and how can that, you know, affect the story just

1429
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: things like that that could have been more meaningful and

1430
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: interesting to watch, but instead it's like, yeah, let's watch

1431
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: like just a series of fat jokes because of a

1432
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: character named Fats. So you're fucking kidding me. You have

1433
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: to see this little ghost say can I keep you?

1434
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Before surprise kissing and unconscious girl. You have to see

1435
01:28:54,600 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman watch your mouth and fall off balcony when

1436
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be looking after Oh gosh, there's just

1437
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: so many weird choices. The movie makes one and a

1438
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 1: half nipples. I'll give one to Kathy Moriarty's performance as Karagan,

1439
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: and I'll give my half nipple to Christina Ricci. And

1440
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: that's all, folks, I'm going to give it to I

1441
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: am very I like this movie. I totally agree that

1442
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, building a movie around a predatory relationship between

1443
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 1: twelve year old is always weird. I it's frustrating because

1444
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: it's so easily could have and should have just been

1445
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: a friendship and the whole movie would have benefited from it,

1446
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: and then it would be a movie I would be

1447
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: much more comfortable showing to kids now, like if it

1448
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: had just been a friendship. And I mean the body

1449
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,879
Speaker 1: shaming jokes, the extreme whiteness of the movie, the everything

1450
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: about it is so entrenched in not in nineties kids

1451
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: movie tropes, and and but I am always gonna love

1452
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: this movie. I think it's just high camp. I think

1453
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: it's like pretty hilarious. And uh, I just love when

1454
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: a movie is um a live action cartoon. I feel

1455
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: like you don't really get many of those now. They're

1456
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: really fun. I just, yeah, I adore this movie, but

1457
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: it is not a progressive movie. I would say I

1458
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: love the cat character. I feel like there's a lot

1459
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: of missed opportunities with her character. Um, I feel like

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Speaker 1: there was a way to include the mom in the

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Speaker 1: story that was less dead woman trophy and then Karagan

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Speaker 1: is I would say a really underrated movie. Villain Kathy

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Speaker 1: Moriarty really brings the heat. I also read that Carrie

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Speaker 1: Fisher and Kathleen Turner were in the running for that part.

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Speaker 1: Also would have both been great. There's like just absolutely fabulous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I I love this movie so much,

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Speaker 1: but I cannot give it more than two nipples in

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Speaker 1: good faith. So I will give it two nipples, and

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Speaker 1: I will give one to the wake Up Machine, which

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Speaker 1: should have been a roller coaster, and I now it's

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Speaker 1: never going to be a roller coaster because kids don't

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Speaker 1: watch this damn movie anymore. It's not even streaming anywhere.

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Speaker 1: And I will give my other nipple to Cathy Moriarty

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Speaker 1: because I'm no fool. And you should listen to Ghost

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Speaker 1: Church if you want to hear about an esoteric religion

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Speaker 1: that revolves around the idea that the spirits walk among us. Still, um,

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Speaker 1: you can listen to it wherever you get your podcast

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Speaker 1: will link it in the description of this episode. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and that's our episode about Casper. The friendly goes Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love The ending shot of the movie is just

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Speaker 1: Casper eating eating you. Yeah, he's just barreling towards you

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Speaker 1: and then you see his mouth and then he's gobbled

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Speaker 1: you up. Not love it, no notes incredible. Also, this

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Speaker 1: was directed by the director of a Series of Unfortunate Events,

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Speaker 1: which means that he loves creepy old manners and he

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Speaker 1: loves weird Cinderella stories with orphans. True, Brad Silverling, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Shout out, Brad silver Ling. Type he's being

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Speaker 1: type cast. He's like, like, I love kids in a

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Speaker 1: mansion anyways. Um, so Yes. Check out ghost Church. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Check out us on Twitter and Instagram at bectel Cast.

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Speaker 1: like I Frankenstein. Oh yeah, and that's it. That's all

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Speaker 1: that's there. Now. We recently did a top gun and

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Speaker 1: face off with that's where we cover a lot of

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Speaker 1: popular requests and a kind of like loose. This is

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Speaker 1: actually kind of we This is like Matreon episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've been goofing around on the main feed lately. It's

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Speaker 1: been fun. I feel like we've always been goofing over here.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah we've I guess famously, we've been goofing kind

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Speaker 1: of the whole time. We're sort of like impractical jokers

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I will say. I think it's so

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Speaker 1: Their headboards are so funny, and I would love a

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Speaker 1: headboard that just as stinky. Absolutely weird. This this movie is.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, but it's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite movies ever. Still, I realized as I was

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Speaker 1: watching this, well you can get our we got merch

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