Speaker 1: I Am all in again.
Speaker 2: Oh let us you.
Speaker 3: Hi Am all in Again with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: The date is October fifth, two thousand. The WB is
Speaker 1: turned on and you hear of the song. There she
Speaker 1: goes with a beautiful brunette walking down a quaint little
Speaker 1: town street of stars hollow, popping into a diner and
Speaker 1: begging for more coffee from a guy in a backwards
Speaker 1: hat and flannel shirt. This was the beginning of Gilmour Girls,
Speaker 1: the show that twenty five years ago led into our
Speaker 1: hearts with its fast talking mother daughter duo relationships and friendships,
Speaker 1: and a small, quirky town that felt like home. What
Speaker 1: do you want to celebrate with you by taking a
Speaker 1: look back at some of our most memorable guests of
Speaker 1: the podcast. Let's dive into the behind the scenes stories
Speaker 1: of how it all came together. Was some of your
Speaker 1: favorite stars my Low vent Emilia as Jess Mariano. How
Speaker 1: did we meet? Well? Do you remember the first time
Speaker 1: we met?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I don't remember the first moment, I think
Speaker 4: I very much, just remember that first day of filming.
Speaker 4: What I remember is just diving right in like like,
Speaker 4: no pleasantries, no bullsht, to be like this is Scott,
Speaker 4: this is mine, Like this is we're gonna find this
Speaker 4: is gonna work, you know, and too what was always
Speaker 4: funny to me was, dude, you and I were always
Speaker 4: like really cool and engaged and had a lot to
Speaker 4: talk about. But of course we're playing these characters that
Speaker 4: you know, Jess was. He was a punk kid who
Speaker 4: didn't want to hear it from anybody. And you know,
Speaker 4: Luke was losing his mind with this kid that he
Speaker 4: got saddled with from his sister. And and you know,
Speaker 4: could who you and I were could not have been
Speaker 4: more opposite than who Jess and Luke were. But also
Speaker 4: where Jess and Luke kind of got to, I think
Speaker 4: ultimately was closer to who you and I were in
Speaker 4: terms of like like relationship and whatnot, you know, because
Speaker 4: I think I think, you know, Jess grew up, just
Speaker 4: learned some lessons, and Luke had been through some stuff
Speaker 4: and that's all fascinating.
Speaker 1: Would you do it again if they wanted to do
Speaker 1: some more episodes You're in life part sure?
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing the thing is this is like
Speaker 4: I can't ever get away from it. You know, It's
Speaker 4: it's for me knowing that like you and Lauren and
Speaker 4: Alexis and probably just about everybody else in the show
Speaker 4: would show up, and on top of it, it'd probably
Speaker 4: be Dan and Amy there writing their asses off. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: why wouldn't I if it would feel like it's there
Speaker 4: for the right reason versus the wrong reason, like and
Speaker 4: we all know those wrong reasons where shows think that
Speaker 4: the show is bigger than the characters, so they'll try
Speaker 4: and bring it back just to get more money. And
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, but are you are there really more
Speaker 4: stories to tell? That's that's where I always kind of
Speaker 4: go back to the nostalgia of the past, of stories
Speaker 4: that we were a part of. Is are there still
Speaker 4: more stories to tell? Have these characters grown to a
Speaker 4: point where we actually really want to see more of them,
Speaker 4: We want to understand where they've been, We're going to
Speaker 4: discover something new. So I think if they did want
Speaker 4: to bring it back, and if it was it was
Speaker 4: Amy and dam at the Helm and you guys are
Speaker 4: all showing up, I'd be a jerk to not show up.
Speaker 1: Chad Michael Murray is Tristan? Do you think Tristan had
Speaker 1: true feelings for Rory.
Speaker 5: Understate?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Not even questions, not even questions.
Speaker 1: What would you have liked to see them explore more
Speaker 1: on the relationship or would you have liked to explore
Speaker 1: that relationship with her more? Because I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I mean, it left me wanting
Speaker 1: so much more. When you exited that series, you were
Speaker 1: no longer there, So that relationship, to me, had the
Speaker 1: most It was so fraught with potential.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and well they built it. They built it, and
Speaker 6: you know, I will take responsibility.
Speaker 5: It's on me that you know.
Speaker 6: I don't think the true depth of that relationship ever
Speaker 6: came to fruition. It's on me.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: There was an episode in season two where Tristan goes
Speaker 6: off to military school in North Carolina, i e. Being
Speaker 6: Dawson's Creek, i e. Being One Tree Hill where we
Speaker 6: shot in North Carolina. That was military school, my friend.
Speaker 6: As an actor, you know this, trying on different clothes,
Speaker 6: different costumes, different walks, different talks, different fields, getting up
Speaker 6: in the morning and having a fresh shirt. It's different, right,
Speaker 6: And sitting in the same character for too long can
Speaker 6: get stagnant, and we always forget how blessed we are
Speaker 6: when we're in those moments, right, because creatively, you can
Speaker 6: get stifled. Not that the character was stifling. They did
Speaker 6: a great job. But I was so young that I
Speaker 6: needed to find out who Chad is, Who is Chad
Speaker 6: is an actor? Where can I go? What can I do?
Speaker 6: And you know, it led to me discovering so much
Speaker 6: about myself that I genuinely wouldn't be the man I
Speaker 6: was today. Without making that decision, you know, I could
Speaker 6: have stayed there and spent six seasons on.
Speaker 1: Oh so they offered you a full deal.
Speaker 6: But yeah, we had the discussion, and for me it
Speaker 6: was I had at the time, I had a deal
Speaker 6: with Warner Brooks. When the opportunity came through to stay
Speaker 6: on Gilmore and really see, I just wanted to know
Speaker 6: more about me, and I said, you know, I'd love
Speaker 6: the opportunity to continue to look and find out what
Speaker 6: that thing is that is And One Tree Hill came
Speaker 6: around and there was the choice between Lucas and Nathan,
Speaker 6: and I remember that decision I had to make, and
Speaker 6: Nathan had a lot of trysting qualities in him on
Speaker 6: the One Tree Hill. On One Tree Hill, Lucas was
Speaker 6: the moral compass and I hadn't played that. Yet at
Speaker 6: that point in my career, I was always playing the
Speaker 6: bad way, whether it was Dawson's Creek Kilmore Girls, whatever
Speaker 6: it was. And so I chose the moral compass and
Speaker 6: I wanted to go a different round discover more about myself.
Speaker 6: And that's that's that's the truth, Scott. I laid it
Speaker 6: out for you, and you're like sitting in the barber's chair.
Speaker 1: I just unveiled my seating Keiko againa as Lane Kim.
Speaker 1: So what did you like most about Lane and what
Speaker 1: did you like least about Lane?
Speaker 3: I liked that she.
Speaker 7: Had to.
Speaker 3: Care about two things. One she cared deeply about her
Speaker 3: mother and the other one she would care deeply about
Speaker 3: her own obsessions and her own independence. And I like
Speaker 3: characters that have that want two things that don't easily
Speaker 3: fit together. That's just fun to play off of, to
Speaker 3: play those two wants off of each other.
Speaker 8: The thing that I like.
Speaker 3: Least about her is that you know, you have all
Speaker 3: of this build up in that character, and I don't
Speaker 3: think that she ever got to fly. You put so
Speaker 3: much pressure on this character, which is fun and what
Speaker 3: you need in comedy. But I wish that she had
Speaker 3: had more moments of.
Speaker 1: Fulfillment.
Speaker 3: I think I think there's a lot there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of frustration I have with that character as a
Speaker 3: fan too, or and as someone who got to play her,
Speaker 3: I would say that's the thing I like least about her,
Speaker 3: that there.
Speaker 1: Was more potential to flesh out that character and and
Speaker 1: and you know, with augmented storylines and and and conclusions.
Speaker 3: Yeah more uh uh. I think she just had a
Speaker 3: hard life, which is fun for comedy. But I I
Speaker 3: don't know, And maybe this wouldn't make a better show,
Speaker 3: but I think selfishly I wish that she had had
Speaker 3: maybe more fulfillment. It's at least with the music side
Speaker 3: and the independent side of her, because we get to,
Speaker 3: you know, touch base with her ten years later in
Speaker 3: the in.
Speaker 1: The what about a spin off show you and.
Speaker 9: Let's do that?
Speaker 3: There's so much more story to hell people, let's uh,
Speaker 3: let's uh, let's spin her off, right.
Speaker 1: And it's like, who's going to write it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sebastian Bach as Gill going from being on stage in
Speaker 1: front of millions to acting in front of a crew,
Speaker 1: What was that transition like for you?
Speaker 11: Well, I think about filming The Gilmore Girls and I
Speaker 11: think about like each episode was one hour long, and
Speaker 11: there's not a lot of the TV shows like that
Speaker 11: anymore that I can think of. And what I enjoyed
Speaker 11: about it was.
Speaker 12: We all got along like as a cast and a crew.
Speaker 12: We all I mean I wasn't there as long as you,
Speaker 12: but in my experience, everybody was like having fun together
Speaker 12: and we all were like on a mission to make
Speaker 12: something cool that everybody was on a team, and I
Speaker 12: missed that. I loved the feeling of, like you know,
Speaker 12: it was a big cast, it was a big crew,
Speaker 12: but we.
Speaker 11: Were all on the same page as far as making
Speaker 11: something that we were all proud of and getting paid
Speaker 11: every Thursday.
Speaker 1: Was the original plan to have you on for more
Speaker 1: than one episode or did that grow as times that grew? Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 11: I became friends with Amy and Dan. We would go
Speaker 11: to the Rainbow couple of times, and me and Dan
Speaker 11: bonded over old Judas Priest and Rush and he's a
Speaker 11: real rocker, Dan, he and as arguing with your band my.
Speaker 1: Band indeed indeed ariel Kebble as Lindsay, did you remember
Speaker 1: reading the script and seeing that you were getting cheated
Speaker 1: on with Rory? Do you remember how it felt.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you want to know how messed up this is.
Speaker 13: I remember reading the script. I actually thought the cheating
Speaker 13: made more sense than us getting married. I remember reading
Speaker 13: the script where we got married.
Speaker 5: And I was like, what.
Speaker 13: That was harder for me to wrap my head around.
Speaker 13: I don't know if that just means I'm really messed up,
Speaker 13: but I because we were just so young and we
Speaker 13: were so fresh in this relationship. I was really trying
Speaker 13: to wrap my head around, Okay, we just took this
Speaker 13: jump to marriage. So I guess by the time the
Speaker 13: cheating came, I was like, yeah, of course, you know,
Speaker 13: like what else was going to happen?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 10: So, yeah, I don't know what that says about me.
Speaker 1: But why do you think Lindsey didn't directly confront Rory
Speaker 1: after she found the note?
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
Speaker 13: I think.
Speaker 6: Deep down she always knew.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 13: It's like I remember that episode where she's like baking
Speaker 13: him cupcakes with gummy bears on top. You know, it's
Speaker 13: like she's doing all these things to just these acts
Speaker 13: of service, to just show her.
Speaker 9: Love and this commitment to.
Speaker 13: Him, And you can feel, even if someone's not saying it,
Speaker 13: you can feel when someone's not all in right, and
Speaker 13: so I think I think she felt like dang, I
Speaker 13: wish I was wrong, but.
Speaker 5: I was right.
Speaker 1: Grantly Phillips as the town Troubadour? Did it all begin
Speaker 1: with Gilmore Girls and you being cast as a town troubadour?
Speaker 15: Oh goodness, well this would have been about.
Speaker 1: Two thousand, right, five years ago? Yeah, yes, yes, okay, right.
Speaker 15: You know I had been with Grantly Buffalo vocalist, you know,
Speaker 15: in the band Grantly Buffalo and all that, and and
Speaker 15: around this time I was kind of starting to go
Speaker 15: out on my own, working on my first solo album,
Speaker 15: and that was about the time that I got this
Speaker 15: this invitation. Do I want to come on this show,
Speaker 15: this new show and portray the town Troubadour? And so
Speaker 15: it was it was great timing because you know, all
Speaker 15: of a sudden, I wasn't on the road all the
Speaker 15: time I was recording. I was kind of just wide
Speaker 15: open to whatever the future wanted to throw at me.
Speaker 15: And there it was. Gilmore Girls. Had no idea that,
Speaker 15: you know, beyond one appearance, that it would you know,
Speaker 15: involve you know, so many seasons and there's this incredible lifetime.
Speaker 1: How many how many episodes did you end up doing.
Speaker 15: Do you remember there might have been like I'm going
Speaker 15: to say maybe twenty.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Did you notice a hike and album
Speaker 1: sales or record sales? Uh? More people showing up at
Speaker 1: your on tour when you were touring well as a
Speaker 1: result of the show.
Speaker 15: Well, you know what, I Uh, it's interesting some and
Speaker 15: this it still occurs. The ripples continue to this day.
Speaker 15: You know when I when I go out and play,
Speaker 15: I typically meet people to come to the show.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 15: Some people that know Grantly Buffalo, some people that have
Speaker 15: followed my solo stuff, and then a whole other group
Speaker 15: of people that it's because of this program, right that
Speaker 15: they come to the show.
Speaker 1: I can't walk down the street in Amsterdam, ken you anymore?
Speaker 1: I can't. You can't you know, it's like crazy. You
Speaker 1: have to jump into the canal just I do. Swim away?
Speaker 1: Don't you make you? Amic As Sherry, you played Christopher's
Speaker 1: girl friend, eventually became his wife and mother to Gigi.
Speaker 1: Tell us about how the audition process and all that.
Speaker 17: How you get the.
Speaker 18: Wrong Actually I tested a whole bunch of times and
Speaker 18: got really really close to getting.
Speaker 19: Loralai and and just at the end of the day,
Speaker 19: like the Studio Network, they're like, oh, it just doesn't
Speaker 19: feel right for whatever reason.
Speaker 18: Right, It's like who knows why.
Speaker 5: People, But I was just I was like, I was
Speaker 5: so excited.
Speaker 18: I was like, oh, I love this script and I
Speaker 18: love Amy. So I was heartbroken, not gonna lie, But
Speaker 18: then I was really excited that Amy just invited me.
Speaker 5: Back to play.
Speaker 19: You know, this kind of kooky character that came in
Speaker 19: and I guess tortured everybody.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 2: She was interesting.
Speaker 18: What I liked about her is that she was innocent
Speaker 18: in it all.
Speaker 6: She was very.
Speaker 19: Hi, I'm you know, so good to meet you, having
Speaker 19: no idea that that the entire.
Speaker 18: Town and social.
Speaker 19: Group, you know, looked at that character as a getting
Speaker 19: in the way. You know, how dare.
Speaker 1: She Jackson Douglas as Jackson Belleville. How would you describe
Speaker 1: Jackson in your own words or Arnold Swayt Schwarzenegger's words
Speaker 1: or yeah.
Speaker 20: I don't know, you know, it was it was an
Speaker 20: interesting It was really an interesting role because I think
Speaker 20: it was just kind of a I mean, the best
Speaker 20: way that I can describe it, at least the way
Speaker 20: I feel about it, is just a hyperboleized version of me.
Speaker 20: You know, it's funny how you would live life, and
Speaker 20: they would all of a sudden end up in a script.
Speaker 20: I got named the president of the Homos Association, and
Speaker 20: a month later later we were doing I was being
Speaker 20: elected the town selectman, you know, because I don't know,
Speaker 20: Amy just seemed to think that my life was hilarious
Speaker 20: and just needed to use that for something. It was
Speaker 20: so easy, I mean, the character was just so much fun,
Speaker 20: and I got along with everybody so well that it
Speaker 20: just it really did become effortless. The hardest thing was
Speaker 20: just to use somebody else's words, you know, try to
Speaker 20: It's like, oh, I wouldn't speak that way, but I've
Speaker 20: got to try and force my mouth to, you know,
Speaker 20: say it a certain way.
Speaker 1: Or and plus you get to, you know, work with
Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy Forgod's Well, yeah, was out.
Speaker 10: It didn't.
Speaker 9: It didn't feel like.
Speaker 1: Right exactly because we've said on the show, on the podcast,
Speaker 1: you know we could I could see because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the episodes, right, so I'm watching for the first time.
Speaker 5: It's a whole thesis of the podcast, and you.
Speaker 1: Know, the talent on her from the very first moment
Speaker 1: you see her is so glaring and apparent, and.
Speaker 9: Just like, wow, did you see it too?
Speaker 5: You must have seen it, right.
Speaker 20: I guess I felt it, you know, And I guess
Speaker 20: I'm really really fortunate that I felt such a wonderful
Speaker 20: personal connection with her that I think if I were
Speaker 20: to oh my god, I mean now that you mention it,
Speaker 20: I kind of just got shivers. How if I looked
Speaker 20: at it the way that you described it, I think
Speaker 20: I would have been really intimidated, and I don't think
Speaker 20: I would have been able to come even close.
Speaker 1: Jared Pedlicky as Dean Forrester, was Gilmour your first acting
Speaker 1: gig that you got hired for?
Speaker 17: Not technically so when I was a senior in high school. Well, okay,
Speaker 17: I'll go back a little bit further. Between my junior
Speaker 17: and senior year of high school. I want a nationwide
Speaker 17: contest to be a trophy presenter at the first annual
Speaker 17: Teen Choice Awards.
Speaker 5: And that meant stood there on stage, I.
Speaker 17: Held onto a surfboard, and when Freddy Prince Junior would
Speaker 17: win Best Kiss for sheet all that, I'd give it
Speaker 17: to him and I'd you know, usher them off stage.
Speaker 5: And at the after party, I met a manager.
Speaker 17: Who I'm still with to this day, Dan Spielo, who's
Speaker 17: also a producing partner, and he's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 17: do you act or what's I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 17: I'm acted in school, done speech and debate and plays
Speaker 17: and this, and then I love acting, and so well,
Speaker 17: here's my card, you know, let's keep in touch. And
Speaker 17: so I went back to San Antonio to do my
Speaker 17: senior high school. I flew out during spring break of
Speaker 17: my senior year, so February during pilot season, thank god,
Speaker 17: and I got a pilot called Silent Witness, which was
Speaker 17: for NBC and it didn't get picked up, and so
Speaker 17: you know, my parents were like, well, okay, you know,
Speaker 17: you did it. You gave it a shot. And then
Speaker 17: the check came in for the pilot and they were like,
Speaker 17: following your dream, son.
Speaker 5: I used money.
Speaker 17: I used that money to road trip out. I put
Speaker 17: some aside for student loans and whatnot, and I drove
Speaker 17: out to California with my papall my mom's dad, stayed
Speaker 17: with my manager at his house and did some auditions
Speaker 17: and I think that first week or two weeks or whatever,
Speaker 17: and these are back. You remember two thousand like if
Speaker 17: you were if you were a teenage white dude, there
Speaker 17: was a role for you in every single project that
Speaker 17: was being made. And so I got tons of auditions
Speaker 17: that they're like, hey, this new kid in town.
Speaker 5: He has acted all throughout school.
Speaker 17: And so I booked a guest spot on Er, I
Speaker 17: booked in a movie called A Little Inside, and I
Speaker 17: booked a four episode guest star stint on Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 17: this show that hadn't aired yet. And funny enough, when
Speaker 17: I booked the re recast of Dean Forrester, you know,
Speaker 17: the show hadn't been picked up yet. I was just
Speaker 17: a co star, I think at the time. And I'd
Speaker 17: also been offered this independent movie I Forget then that
Speaker 17: Boys on the Run I think it was called, which
Speaker 17: was like ten times the money, and I got offered
Speaker 17: another that was like six times the money. And then
Speaker 17: I got off with Gilmore Girls, which hadn't even aired yet,
Speaker 17: and I was, you know, this this kid who grew
Speaker 17: up in a seven here s Griffet house in San Antonio,
Speaker 17: going like money, money, money. My my agent and manager
Speaker 17: were like no, no, no, no, you know we think that
Speaker 17: the show, which I hadn't read yet, I hadn't seen obviously,
Speaker 17: it hadn't aired.
Speaker 5: They're like, we think the show has has legs. It's
Speaker 5: a great show.
Speaker 17: It's super intelligent, it's funny, it's charming, it's heartwarming.
Speaker 5: We think you should do that.
Speaker 17: And so thank god they convinced me, I was still
Speaker 17: seventeen at the time, to shoot four episodes on the
Speaker 17: whole show called Gilmore Girls that hadn't aired yet.
Speaker 5: You know, a couple of independent movies.
Speaker 1: Paul Anka as himself, a bunch of first hear about
Speaker 1: Lorelized Dog being named after you.
Speaker 9: I think it was right from the inception, you know,
Speaker 9: artbeat later, I want to get out there, obviously, and
Speaker 9: you know, I became a huge fan of the show.
Speaker 9: Obviously it was a great show, well written, et cetera,
Speaker 9: et cetera. But from the inception, you know, probably what
Speaker 9: after the first couple of weeks, everybody came around and
Speaker 9: I heard about it, and I thought it was cool
Speaker 9: because it's so international. I've been an international creature, but
Speaker 9: I was ultimately hearing from everybody all over the world.
Speaker 1: And so you were aware of the show before you
Speaker 1: found out about it.
Speaker 9: Friends were watching it. I think my kids were watching it. Right,
Speaker 9: you know the show. I mean, we're not talking about
Speaker 9: something obscure. This show was like everybody loved it, So
Speaker 9: I was very much aware of the show. Yeah right.
Speaker 1: And and then you made a cameo in the cold
Speaker 1: open of season six, episode eighteen. Tell us how that
Speaker 1: came about that black and White.
Speaker 9: Well, I got the call and I said, yeah, let's
Speaker 9: do it. I think we did a couple. When I
Speaker 9: first got the call, I was very happy to do it,
Speaker 9: you know, I thought, yeah, natural for me. And they
Speaker 9: were great to work with. They were just a fun
Speaker 9: group of people and great bright knew what they were doing,
Speaker 9: and that was very comforting to me.
Speaker 1: Right, do do fans approach you about your appearances on
Speaker 1: cal Morn Girls.
Speaker 9: I'm still do fans. I got friends, I got people
Speaker 9: who did at parties. He always comes up and you know,
Speaker 9: I hate the phrase, it is what it is, but
Speaker 9: it is what it is and it was great to
Speaker 9: be a part of it.
Speaker 1: Kathleen Wilhoyt as Luke's sister lives.
Speaker 21: Working with Michael was great fun when we did the
Speaker 21: wedding scene and his brother came on the show. Then
Speaker 21: I got to see the Delawise kind of family dynamic,
Speaker 21: which is just full of love and light and silliness
Speaker 21: and laughter. I mean that is quite a family and anyway,
Speaker 21: so I really enjoyed that. But I remember the highlights
Speaker 21: for me were King was on the set once and
Speaker 21: Sebastian Bach and Carol King were on a golf cart driving.
Speaker 21: I don't know where they were going, and I was
Speaker 21: about one hundred yards away and Sebastian Bach says.
Speaker 1: Kathleen and I turn around.
Speaker 21: I might have been with a friend or something. And
Speaker 21: I turned around and I was like, he goes, come
Speaker 21: in here.
Speaker 1: I said, hold on a second.
Speaker 21: Oh, he says, Carol wants to meet you or something.
Speaker 21: So I'm just like swirly eyes. You know, I've been
Speaker 21: a huge Carol King fan my whole life. I run
Speaker 21: to the golf cart and then he looks at me
Speaker 21: and he sort of blinks and he was like and
Speaker 21: then who like looks And then I said, Hi, I'm Kathleen.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, not you.
Speaker 8: The pa.
Speaker 9: I was like.
Speaker 21: And then the pa who I was with or something,
Speaker 21: she was like, oh, Carol, that's Kathleen. Sebastian, this is
Speaker 21: Kathleen too. She's in the.
Speaker 1: Cast or whatever.
Speaker 21: It was, but getting to meet Carol King was huge highlight.
Speaker 21: I've been a huge fan of my whole life.
Speaker 1: So did so you met she was on the Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: it was that during the series of the reboot because
Speaker 1: I met her on the reboot. I never met her
Speaker 1: on the series.
Speaker 21: Oh, she was at the she was on the lot.
Speaker 21: I don't know if she was on, but I didn't
Speaker 21: get to be on the reboot. And my agent called
Speaker 21: me and she said, you need to call Amy and
Speaker 21: say you should be on the reboot. And I'm like,
Speaker 21: I'm not going to call her, and like, if she's
Speaker 21: not putting me on, then she doesn't want me on. Gross,
Speaker 21: I'm not that guy.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: That's what it needed. It needed, it needed Lizen TJ.
Speaker 1: It needed. It really did well.
Speaker 21: It turns out I'm available.
Speaker 1: I think Truesdale is Michelle. Do you consider Michelle to
Speaker 1: be rude or just honest?
Speaker 10: I think honest, honest, but in a context of different culture,
Speaker 10: you know, because Michelle, Michelle in Paris is not rude.
Speaker 10: They're they're all on, they're all like him. They put
Speaker 10: him in the context of an America.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 10: Rude because people don't speak their mind right right right.
Speaker 10: When they do, it's because they're being rude. He's just
Speaker 10: and the French love to have an argument, right, you
Speaker 10: would think they're fighting, but it's just they love the
Speaker 10: conversation and the benter.
Speaker 5: And arguing about the objective, just.
Speaker 10: Taking on purpose the opposite side of absolutely like dissect.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't sit there and eat the dinner,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so yeah, I don't think he is rude.
Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, So here's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a personal question. Do you think people think that you
Speaker 1: are prickly in real life?
Speaker 5: Yes? They do. They do.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they do because well they think because when you
Speaker 10: do something well in this business, as you know, people
Speaker 10: think you are that person. Right, So they're always first
Speaker 10: of all shocked that when I open my mouth when
Speaker 10: they've never seen me in anything else that I don't
Speaker 10: speak like Michelle.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, no, this is a character I'm not.
Speaker 10: But and then they're like, oh, you're so nice, You're
Speaker 10: so sick.
Speaker 5: I was afraid to say hi to you, right right, right,
Speaker 5: right right right.
Speaker 10: So there's a little bit of that perception that you
Speaker 10: are that character. But quickly they realize how charm me, I.
Speaker 1: Am Sally Strugglers as Bebett. If you could jump back
Speaker 1: in time to filming any episode or season, what would
Speaker 1: it be?
Speaker 5: Oh Gilmore?
Speaker 16: Any episode or season of the Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 9: Oh Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 11: Oh M.
Speaker 16: When did I have the most fun? Probably when we
Speaker 16: did what was it called A Year in the Life?
Speaker 5: What was it a?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 11: We came back.
Speaker 16: We all hadn't seen each other in several years, and
Speaker 16: then we did those four ninety minute movies, and I
Speaker 16: felt so lucky. I felt like I hadn't been invited
Speaker 16: to my high school reunion. And the reunion went on
Speaker 16: for you know, a month. I was like a kid
Speaker 16: at Christmas, dancing around the Warner Brothers lot, and Rose
Speaker 16: Abdu said to me one day, Oh, here comes one
Speaker 16: of their their trolley's what do you call those caravan
Speaker 16: things where they drive people around to take a tour
Speaker 16: in the studio bus the tram right right? And she says,
Speaker 16: let's just stand here and give them a thrill. We
Speaker 16: were on our way to the steppe uppy truck where
Speaker 16: you could get snacks, right, and we were admonishing one
Speaker 16: another about how we didn't need snacks, but we were
Speaker 16: getting them anyway, and then we stopped and kind of
Speaker 16: poe so to give the group on the Trama thrill.
Speaker 16: They didn't recognize either one of us.
Speaker 8: We both felt so awful.
Speaker 16: We got more snacks than we even originally wanted.
Speaker 1: Sean Gunn as Kirk, how do you even explain the
Speaker 1: character of Kirk?
Speaker 22: Well, I'm I'm fortunate that I I read this great
Speaker 22: piece in The Atlantic. I should be I should shout
Speaker 22: out to the writer's name, but I don't remember her
Speaker 22: name the top of my head. But it explained it
Speaker 22: way better than I ever could. Where they were. She
Speaker 22: talked about Kirk as a man child, And you know,
Speaker 22: I always looked at him as being a guy who
Speaker 22: who who like obeyed the rules at all costs, but
Speaker 22: would would also would also duck them when necessary.
Speaker 5: Like I don't I don't know how I thought.
Speaker 22: Of it, but but when you think of Kurt as
Speaker 22: like a nine year old and a grown man's body,
Speaker 22: it all adds up, right, you know. It's like when
Speaker 22: you think of him as it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 22: like a little kid.
Speaker 23: Who both he's like he'll he'll lie if he needs to,
Speaker 23: but not in a bad way, only because maybe he
Speaker 23: thinks he's not going to get caught.
Speaker 5: And uh.
Speaker 22: And yeah, I think Kirk is you know, a grown
Speaker 22: man who lives alone in his mother's basement.
Speaker 4: Like what, he.
Speaker 1: Very very entrepreneurial.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it words everything like.
Speaker 22: Him all the time, you know, like what, whatever you
Speaker 22: expect of me, like, I will do it, and also
Speaker 22: I have to do it or I'll get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Rose Abdu is Gypsy. You got to do some pretty
Speaker 1: pretty intense scenes with Milo. Tell us what it was
Speaker 1: like working with him.
Speaker 24: I just remember he bugged Gypsy so much like Gypsy
Speaker 24: has no love for Jess as you well know. So
Speaker 24: of course, because I'm such a method actor, I have
Speaker 24: no love for myla. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I actually
Speaker 24: I remember saying to him, you really have like a
Speaker 24: young James Dean quality. And he was like, God, everybody
Speaker 24: says that to me.
Speaker 1: What a horrible somebody.
Speaker 10: How could you do that?
Speaker 12: I yelled at him.
Speaker 24: I yelled at him and said, you should be thankful,
Speaker 24: you should be thankful that people compare you to James d.
Speaker 2: He was terrific.
Speaker 24: I mean, he was so I felt like he was
Speaker 24: so in character all the time. You know, he really
Speaker 24: was fantastic. And I love the one where you you
Speaker 24: come to ask My favorite episode is you come to
Speaker 24: ask me about the car, and that's where that guys
Speaker 24: are stupid lying and I go, no, but he had
Speaker 24: a bag with a dollar sign on it or something
Speaker 24: like that, right, and that scene, I had to a
Speaker 24: nineteen marks to come out on the underneath the car
Speaker 24: and take the wrench and go over to the thing.
Speaker 24: And you were so nice to me. But we really
Speaker 24: got it done fast. But that was one of those ones,
Speaker 24: like you said, with him, that could have gone horribly
Speaker 24: wrong where we really like.
Speaker 1: This cast is so gifted and really it's like colored tape.
Speaker 24: On Oh my god, you guys, there's so much tape
Speaker 24: on the floor. You have no like and everybody, every
Speaker 24: character is a different color. So you have to hit
Speaker 24: your mark because if you're like, if you're standing with
Speaker 24: the wrench here when you should be here, the whole
Speaker 24: thing has to go do.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how good your performance is. It's like, uh, Scott,
Speaker 1: you missed your mom about four feet, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go again. Janet Hubert is Michelle's mom, Giselle,
Speaker 1: So you were Michelle's mom. What do you remember about Yanik?
Speaker 25: I remember that it was very lovely, very lovely young man,
Speaker 25: very handsome. I said, oh, I have such a hands
Speaker 25: on nun, and so I had to do this sim
Speaker 25: you know. So it was, it was, it was. It
Speaker 25: was something that we learned to do, truly odd and
Speaker 25: so I was. I have a knack for accents. I
Speaker 25: remember the set being very well run, very professional, but
Speaker 25: I don't remember much about it, to take the truth.
Speaker 25: I remember the discussions that we had. I remember the wig,
Speaker 25: I remember the hair, I remember the look. I was
Speaker 25: trying to find it on Hulu, but I was going,
Speaker 25: where is it when you do one episode? And I
Speaker 25: saw where somebody wrote Janet Hubrett was a queen of
Speaker 25: one episode. I was hoping that they would bring her back.
Speaker 25: You know. I know that she didn't know enough about
Speaker 25: her son as much as she thought she did, or
Speaker 25: she wasn't as attentive of a mother as she should be,
Speaker 25: which my son accuses me of all the time.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: Scott Cohens, Max Medina, Scott, what Scott, Scott, what's with touching? Well,
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of touching.
Speaker 8: What what.
Speaker 26: This is twenty years ago, man, a different time for me.
Speaker 1: It's been forever. I never saw it. It even wasn't
Speaker 1: even aware. But you you, my friend, you know, we
Speaker 1: got to talk about the touching because the touching, I
Speaker 1: mean you were like you were rubbing her elbow with
Speaker 1: your thumb.
Speaker 6: This is this is with Loralai.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 26: This is this Maxi Medina's charmed I mean, you know,
Speaker 26: he was in love with Lourai. He was, you know,
Speaker 26: any any way he can get close to her, he
Speaker 26: would get close to her.
Speaker 1: Man, boy, did you ever I mean talk about a
Speaker 1: full court bress nice man, you were going and you
Speaker 1: were going to the hoop strong.
Speaker 17: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't don't think you'd be allowed to do that
Speaker 1: these days.
Speaker 26: I mean I think you you would need permission to,
Speaker 26: you know, to kind of create that. But I think that,
Speaker 26: I mean, I do think that that. I don't think
Speaker 26: it was manipulation. I think that it was you know,
Speaker 26: you know Max's honest feelings about Laurel I, and you
Speaker 26: know he really fell deeply in love with her and
Speaker 26: just really wanted to be close with her in any way.
Speaker 26: That again, and if she accepted it, then you know
Speaker 26: it was all good. It was not you know, there
Speaker 26: was not an issue.
Speaker 1: And she defended very well. I mean she she denied
Speaker 1: you denied, you denied you. This is not a good idea,
Speaker 1: my daughters. You know, she she you know, she she
Speaker 1: walked the high road, if you will. But man, you
Speaker 1: just the rubbing thumb on. You just kept you, just
Speaker 1: kept kept going.
Speaker 26: I said, there is there is no high road.
Speaker 1: There's what's what's am I talking about Vanessa Morano as
Speaker 1: April and Nardini? So you kind of did realize the
Speaker 1: impact of your character would have on the show at
Speaker 1: the time before you when you were auditioning.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I knew. I don't think I knew how how
Speaker 14: hated she was going to be right right. I knew
Speaker 14: it was going to be an upsetting storyline. But like,
Speaker 14: I don't know, Jess broke up Dean and Rory and
Speaker 14: no one seemed to hate him.
Speaker 1: So tell us about the blowback you got from fans
Speaker 1: when you were out in public. I mean, tell us
Speaker 1: about the most severe cases, good or bad.
Speaker 14: I mean, it wasn't good, it wasn't great. You know,
Speaker 14: when I was out in public, I don't know that
Speaker 14: anyone said anything too horrible, Like I think when you
Speaker 14: do see a person in person and they're a child,
Speaker 14: you have a little bit more of a filter. But
Speaker 14: people would say like very veiled things like oh, well,
Speaker 14: you're more okay than I thought you would be, that
Speaker 14: sort of thing. But the online backlash, oh yeah, crazy.
Speaker 14: And you know, thankfully this was before Instagram and Twitter
Speaker 14: and all that stuff, but there were still like blogs
Speaker 14: and like television without pity and and really actually like
Speaker 14: publications too that were reviewing TV shows that were just
Speaker 14: horrible and like hating me, hating my performance, hating my voice,
Speaker 14: hating the way I looked.
Speaker 5: It was just.
Speaker 14: Awful, awful, awful, awful. However, I'm very grateful for it
Speaker 14: because it made me at that time, especially because it
Speaker 14: was my favorite show. So I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 14: the creators of this show, Amy and Dan, who I
Speaker 14: like value and like look up to think I'm good
Speaker 14: and keep using me. But the rest of the world doesn't,
Speaker 14: So like what opinion matters more in this moment and
Speaker 14: really kind of put into perspective like you can't please everybody,
Speaker 14: and like, are you just proud of the work that
Speaker 14: you're doing? Years and years later when I ended up
Speaker 14: on a show called Switched at Birth, which was a
Speaker 14: show that I was a lead of, and I was
Speaker 14: like one of the youngest people on that show. And
Speaker 14: that was right when Twitter and Instagram were starting to happen.
Speaker 5: I ended up being the.
Speaker 14: Person who was like, hey, guys, don't look at the comments.
Speaker 14: It will drive you crazy, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 14: an eighteen year old telling people who are like in
Speaker 14: their late twenties being like, no, trust me on this one.
Speaker 5: From personal experience.
Speaker 1: About yeah, so as it softened over the years or
Speaker 1: oh no.
Speaker 14: You know about two years ago, I opened up my
Speaker 14: phone and you know there's news articles, things that are
Speaker 14: going on in the world. Two years ago there was
Speaker 14: a pandemic. There was a BuzzFeed article that came up
Speaker 14: that said most hated television characters ever.
Speaker 1: Oh no, my face, Oh my face.
Speaker 14: Scott I beat Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: Ted Rooney as Morey Dell. So listen, Mary Dell husband,
Speaker 1: Okay to Sally Struthers, Bebbett or Babbitt, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call her. Did you love working with Sally?
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 8: Oh, first day, little hint, I know who Sally Struthers is.
Speaker 5: Very well.
Speaker 8: We're sitting on the set together next to each other.
Speaker 8: It's first time. I'm just I haven't even officially met her.
Speaker 8: We're just sitting right next to each other. And she goes,
Speaker 8: huh so hot, and I said, yeah, not like the
Speaker 8: Portland days, huh. And she did one little double take
Speaker 8: and looked at me and said, are you Ed Rooney's son?
Speaker 8: And she totally got it right away.
Speaker 12: My dad was.
Speaker 8: One of her favorite teachers in high school here in Portland,
Speaker 8: Grant High School.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and we always had it all in the family
Speaker 8: picture up in his office that was signed by Sally Struthers.
Speaker 8: So we were very well acquainted with who Sally Struthers was.
Speaker 8: He was Grant's rock star. And so to sit next
Speaker 8: to her, I just couldn't I was like a kidne
Speaker 8: the candy store. I couldn't wait to, you know, let
Speaker 8: her know. And her reaction was priceless. She just one breath.
Speaker 8: You're in Rudy's said, aren't you. Yeah, So of course we're,
Speaker 8: you know, fast friends after that. Yeah, And she comes
Speaker 8: up to Portland once in a while, and so she
Speaker 8: we've had her over for tea and she's she's my
Speaker 8: son Abes fairy godmother. Yeah, she agreed to do that
Speaker 8: for us. Yeah, great, she's great.
Speaker 1: Scout Taylor Compton as Dean's little sister, Clara. What was
Speaker 1: it like working with Jared? Did you guys click right away?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 16: We did.
Speaker 13: Jared So, Jared's such a.
Speaker 11: Special human, he really is.
Speaker 7: He made me feel like I was actually like his sister,
Speaker 7: you know. He made me feel like very welcomed. And
Speaker 7: he knows how to you know, he knew how to
Speaker 7: work with younger people. I almost worked on Supernatural with him,
Speaker 7: which would have been really cool reunion, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's he was such a good guy to
Speaker 7: work with, really good. As much as I'd like to
Speaker 7: say I was team I was probably Team Jess because
Speaker 7: I had a big crush of Milea at the time.
Speaker 1: Oh you were the one, oh, I said, because I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out who it was because nobody really likes him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was me, That was you. Okay, now we go.
Speaker 1: What were you?
Speaker 14: What team were you?
Speaker 7: I'm sure you've said it so many times.
Speaker 1: Well, I was always Jess and then I said team
Speaker 1: when when when Jared came out with this campaign. Uh,
Speaker 1: because he suffers from a little depression and he was
Speaker 1: helping other people that suffered from depression when he came
Speaker 1: out with that, you know that that very thoughtful and
Speaker 1: very effective campaign to help other people. That then I
Speaker 1: sort of became in twenty fifteen, I at at X
Speaker 1: I I said I was team Jess. I mean team Dan. Sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: because I just I just wanted him to feel a
Speaker 1: little better that, you know, he had my support, not
Speaker 1: that it really mattered to him.
Speaker 16: Yeah, ok so an f y.
Speaker 7: I I was always team Luke, so there you go.
Speaker 1: I was always and I was always team Clara too.
Speaker 1: I was always like, you know, that's you can have.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 1: Adam Wiley as Brad Langford. What was it like working
Speaker 1: with Liza?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, she's I think as as you as you
Speaker 2: were aware of the audience may may or may not be.
Speaker 2: She's like the nicest person in the world, which made
Speaker 2: it so much more fun because I felt so safe
Speaker 2: in the environment. She was so wonderful. I remember accidentally,
Speaker 2: one time, I think it was the season three wrap party,
Speaker 2: I accidentally smacked her across the face. It was an accident, like, okay,
Speaker 2: so here's here's the story. There were abetat just being
Speaker 2: passed around and I grabbed one and I went to
Speaker 2: turn and she happened to turn around at the same time,
Speaker 2: and I accidentally like.
Speaker 1: Ran into her with my end and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And she's and I think she said, no, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I think I deserve it, and then she smacked me
Speaker 2: back in such a funny really and it was so
Speaker 2: it was such like a great moment that I only
Speaker 2: think her and I shared and no one else saw.
Speaker 2: That was just perfect.
Speaker 1: That is That's a wonderful story. Thanks for joining us
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