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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to OKF Daily with me

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Speaker 1: your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Long Island Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: when we have the opportunity to have Jonathan Metsal on,

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Speaker 1: we usually get into conversations about gun rights because that

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Speaker 1: is Jonathan's specialty, and you know how our rights as

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Speaker 1: citizens and our safety are being eroded. And in today's

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Speaker 1: conversation we take a look at the hearing that just

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Speaker 1: recently took place in Tennessee that was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: about how to make schools and environments more safe after

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Speaker 1: the Covenant shooting that took the lives of several children

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Speaker 1: and adults. It was the shooting that would spark massive

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Speaker 1: protests in Tennessee and then have the Tennessee Three with

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Speaker 1: two the Justins being expelled from the state House for

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Speaker 1: daring to stand up for and with their constituents. And

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Speaker 1: so what you will hear in the conversation with Jonathan

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Speaker 1: and I today is just my exasperation at the fact

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Speaker 1: that people are trying desperately to work inside of what

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Speaker 1: is a failed fucking system right where we are beginning

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Speaker 1: to understand that the gerrymandering that has taken place in

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Speaker 1: Red States. Hasn't just suppressed the voice and the vote

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Speaker 1: of Democrats and people of color, but it is now

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Speaker 1: right suppressing the vote and the voice of white people

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Speaker 1: as well. And what happens right when those that have

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Speaker 1: readily enjoyed privileges in this country because of the color

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Speaker 1: of their skin are now all of a sudden being

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Speaker 1: lumped in with everyone else that they were fine to ignore,

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Speaker 1: whose rights were being violated as well. And so you

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Speaker 1: see now this broadening, as Jonathan will put it, of

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Speaker 1: a coalition of people who want safety. And the fact

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Speaker 1: is is that we have very different siloed conversations about

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Speaker 1: liberty and freedom in this country and safety not being

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Speaker 1: a part of that. And for me, living in a

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Speaker 1: free society means that it is free from violence and

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Speaker 1: free from harm things that we can actually fucking control.

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Speaker 1: But what the Tennessee government shows, as well as the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the Republican Party, is that there is no

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Speaker 1: negotiation with terrorists. There is no negotiation with people that

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Speaker 1: see their Second Amendment rights as a zero sum right.

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Speaker 1: But every other right can be chipped away at and

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Speaker 1: essentially eroded, so long as you can carry a gun

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Speaker 1: you see in a video that is now going around

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Speaker 1: up signs that say kids over guns, and they were

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Speaker 1: forcibly removed by the sheriffs in that courtroom, a courtroom

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Speaker 1: that allows people to carry guns, right, but can't carry

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Speaker 1: a fucking sign And we think that that's okay. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, what Tennessee is showing, what Ohio has shown

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Speaker 1: in a very real way when it isn't just the

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Speaker 1: people of color right and the quote unquote lives that

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Speaker 1: are being silenced. When you recognize that now they are

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Speaker 1: coming for you as well. And so now what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do? Jonathan and I get into this

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Speaker 1: conversation and so much more on this week's chat with

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Speaker 1: our in house doctor. Folks, you know that whenever we

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Speaker 1: And you know by now you have all probably seen

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Speaker 1: women who are holding up signs quietly holding up signs

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Speaker 1: were forcibly removed from a courtroom that readily allows guns

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Speaker 1: and people's activated Second Amendment rights, but clearly not their

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Speaker 1: and do so again. I want you to understand, quietly

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Speaker 1: just sitting and holding up a sign, Jonathan, give us

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Speaker 2: Cool. Well, there are three things that I think people

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Speaker 2: what what has been built for months as a special

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Speaker 2: And the reason that that special session was going to

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Speaker 2: of years ago. He's done everything to overturn state gun laws.

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Speaker 2: He's as pro gun as it gets. We had a

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Speaker 2: was a moment of reckoning. Right. It's different to be

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Speaker 2: in the aftermath, there were protests. Remember there were people

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Speaker 2: he proposed a special session, which was what was supposed

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Speaker 2: This even for this guy who's so pro gun, put

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Speaker 2: That's their position. No reform. Government has no role whatsoever

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Speaker 2: Number two is that the whole thing was a sham.

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Speaker 2: what was being proposed really was pretty clearly just not

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Speaker 2: going to It wasn't about background checks, it wasn't about

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Speaker 2: Now again, as you say, this is a place where

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing in this special session is the whole

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Speaker 2: thing was in fact to sham. The hearings that really

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Speaker 2: matter lasted thirty seconds or less. All this mobilization, all

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Speaker 2: false front. And so we're left with this, which is

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Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, the rules against

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Speaker 2: and it really feels like a moment of boiling over

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Speaker 2: in Tennessee, honestly, because there is so much anger and

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Speaker 2: frustration that those moms holding up those signs represent seventy

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Speaker 2: on a lot, but I do have one more take

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Speaker 2: is the government is not working for the people right

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Speaker 2: But what we're seeing here is germandering also doesn't work

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Speaker 2: for Republicans. Right, seventy percent of everybody wants some kind

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Speaker 2: of gun safety, and that includes Republicans across the state,

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Speaker 2: but their political leaders are not beholden to them either.

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Speaker 2: In other words, there's no way that these guys are

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Speaker 2: not beholden to them either, and so in a way,

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Speaker 2: germandering destroys our system in a million ways. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just Democrats Republicans. It's also that elected leaders are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan, this is why we have you on each week.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know a couple of things

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Speaker 1: last point that you just made about gerrymandering. I think

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Speaker 1: that how that conversation has been framed for decades plus

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Speaker 1: and voice, right, and that, to your point, has been

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Speaker 1: the goal. But I think that as the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: has shifted into an authoritarian, white supremacist, patriarchal cult under

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Speaker 1: the leadership of Donald Trump, the goal is no longer

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Speaker 1: just to silence Democrats. That to your point, it is

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Speaker 1: to silence people in general, and to make you know,

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Speaker 1: so that these people can govern without reproach, without having

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Speaker 1: ask you, you know, you could see it partially from

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming, shaking and anger, shaking in fear, you know,

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Speaker 1: for having to, you know, put up this this fight

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Speaker 1: for kids, right, What is the mood when you say

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Speaker 1: that seventy percent of the people in Tennessee want something

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Speaker 1: to happen and thirty percent much as is mirroring the nation,

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Speaker 1: thirty percent are instituting minority rule. What is the overall

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Speaker 1: mood when you say that Tennessee is at a boiling

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Speaker 2: Well, I wish I had a concrete answer to that question,

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Speaker 2: right because I think part of the issue is that

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people on the Democrat side

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Speaker 2: and on the centrist conservative Republican side feel like we've

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Speaker 2: done everything right. We've done everything within the system. We've guarded,

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Speaker 2: we've gathered signatures, we've talked to elected leaders. The special

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Speaker 2: No, you hear me hemming and huyeing and sighing right now.

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Speaker 2: where the victims were young adults of color. The city

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Speaker 2: did mobilize after the waffle House shooting, but I would

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Speaker 2: much broader now because it also had these just the

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Speaker 2: like a daughter who's like seven or eight or nine,

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Speaker 2: And so I think that I think that and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to answer this very pollyanna ish. The broader the coalition,

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Speaker 2: Covenant trauma, that's a broader coalition, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: you know, honestly, because the issue is not just who's

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Speaker 2: impacted by mass shootings. It's also that what's happening in

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Speaker 2: puts somebody like Trump in power. And so in a way,

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Speaker 2: the strategies of resistance in Tennessee are going to be

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Speaker 2: important for New York and for other Blue cities because

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Speaker 2: look at what the Supreme Court's doing. They're nationalizing a

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Speaker 2: lot of these things. And so in a way, I

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Speaker 2: think I think that that circle broadening is what needs

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Speaker 2: to happen to get people on the same boat of

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Speaker 2: look what we do right now matters and we have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we will leave it there today. Jonathan, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much as always for giving us the insight

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Speaker 1: really important states that you know, aside from a national crisis,

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Speaker 1: really do not get the coverage. So I, you know,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being able to give us the behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of what is happening. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.