1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal callahan. The 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: timber industry and environmental groups haven't exactly seen eye to 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: eye over the years, but the opposing sides are one 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: step closer to reaching a compromise on how private for 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: us are managed in Oregon. Build As a historic proposal 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: by Oregon Governor Kate Brown, the new framework brought together 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: representatives of timber companies, landowners, conservation groups, and fishing organizations. 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: They first announced their intention to hammer out a deal 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: in February of two thousand twenty, and this week they 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: said they'd reached the beginnings of an agreement. We were 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: able to put down the contentious situations that we've had 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: in the past, said Jim James with the Oregon Small 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Woodlands Association. I think that's an extreme positive for the 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: state of Oregon. You might be wondering what brought the 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: two sides to the table after decades of fighting. It's 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: a good question, but both sides had political and financial 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: incentives to bury their respective hatchets or falling access. We 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: probably should say that'd be more appropriate. On the financial side, 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: they wanted to avoid spending a fortune on a huge 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: ballot initiative fight that was set to go down last year. 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Environmental groups had filed initiatives limiting their use of aerial pesticides. 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: In response, timber groups filed their own set of ballots 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: that would reimburse landowners when regulations limited their ability to log. 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Ballot fights cost millions of dollars in advertising, and Oregon 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Governor Kate Brown has taken credit for convincing each side 29 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: to avoid those costs and come to the negotiation table. 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: On the political side, Timber come, but He's are looking 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: to avoid harsh restrictions on aerial pesticide spraying. The practice 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: isn't popular in the state, and forest companies decided to 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: come to the table and hash out a compromise rather 34 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: than risk the legislature taking action. For their part, environmental 35 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: groups don't want to be blamed for wildfires. Stephen Beta, 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: an assistant professor of history at Oregon University, told Courthouse 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: News back in two thousand twenty that he believes these 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: groups have realized that logging can play a key role 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: in forest management. If environmentalist block logging in an area 40 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: that breaks out in the fire, fingers could start pointing 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: in their direction. In two thousand twenty, the two sides 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: agreed to begin negotiations. Last week, they agreed on a 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: basic framework for a deal to protect river banks and 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: stream sides, improved forest roads, and allow for adaptive management 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: of private forests. Now the real work begins. The Associated 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Press reports that the next step is to introduce a 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: bill in the state legislator. You're making the changes to 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: the Forest Practices Act agreed to by both sides. Then 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the Oregon Board of Forestry will oversee a rulemaking process 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: to develop a habitat conservation plan. That plan will have 51 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: to be approved by federal regulators and will work to 52 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: allow logging and other industries to continue with a minimal 53 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: effect on wildlife. As you can probably guess, the process 54 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: will take years and the two sides will likely disagree 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: on some of the details. But right now both sides 56 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: seem optimistic. This is truly an exciting time to be 57 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: a part of the Oregon forest sector, said David Beckholt, 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: representative of the Coalition of Forest Companies. This is a 59 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: new era that will produce the best outcomes for Oregon's 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: private forests and the communities that depend on them to 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: provide clean water, recreation, renewable wood products, and year round 62 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: family wage jobs. This week we've got thirty by thirty 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: block management lasers and so much more. But first, I'm 64 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: gonna tell you about my week. And my week was 65 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: doing a lot of driving. I did some serious traveling, 66 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: put some distance on the truck and the dog and 67 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: myself and headed out to northwest Montana to try to 68 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: pin down some wily public land peasants. Wild pheasants on 69 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: publicly accessible land are hard to nail down this time 70 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: of year. I love the challenge, and with disgustingly hot 71 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: temps for one of my favorite months on the calendar, 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: I headed not to the mountains, but to the prairies 73 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: up to the northeast corner of the state Country I 74 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: had not been in for a great while. What drew 75 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: me to that region are the giant pieces of cooperative 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: block management, which is Montana's private land public access program 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: snort and I put on a ton of miles off 78 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: and running to cut off wildly birds. We got a few. 79 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: My uh my shotgunning was very poor, but we had 80 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities. A couple of things I want to 81 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: share with you, and I am doing something that I 82 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: should not do. For this example, which is the name 83 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: names the McCabe block management area which Snort and I 84 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: hunted Saturday afternoon and ended up with only one stage grouse, 85 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: which was hanging a leg when it flew away. So 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: if you were around that area and lost a bird, 87 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: Snort and I got your back anyway. At one of 88 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: the signing boxes close to Highway too, I was confronted 89 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: with a long, poop smeared string of toilet paper here 90 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: in front of this incredible access program to private land, 91 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and someone decided to literally poop on it in a 92 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: very public fashion. I want you to know that I 93 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: picked up your poop smeared toilet paper. It was awful. 94 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I didn't have a trash bag, so I had to 95 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of gingerly stuff it into a corner of the 96 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: truck bed where it wouldn't fly around and touch all 97 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: the rest of my stuff I sleep in there by 98 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the way. I didn't want to do this, it was gross, 99 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: but I could not stand the fact that a landowner 100 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: someone who is giving a lot of access to a 101 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of people they generally do not know for not 102 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: a whole hell of a lot. In return, could show 103 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: up and see what someone thought of their generosity in 104 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: the form of feces and just you know, say we're 105 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: not going to be in block management next year. Now, 106 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: the signing boxes, they all have a map, and they 107 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: have some information on the back this particular form, and 108 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to read directly off the map. We'll let 109 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: you know what we could stand to lose, says twenty 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: participating landowners consisting of twenty eight thousand, three hundred and 111 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: nine acres formed this b m A. At the very 112 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: end of this it says, hunters police yourselves and report 113 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: any misconduct or violations. That's the part I was getting at, Hunters, 114 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: police yourselves. Over twenty eight thousand acres of hunting access 115 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: and rolled in a program that is constantly undermined and 116 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: under attack. It exists in a very fragile state. How 117 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: fragile you may ask, Well, here's an example for you. 118 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Fort Keyo. Another property, this one owned by the United 119 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: States Department of Agriculture and located basically in Miles City, Montana, 120 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: is enrolled in the block Management program and sees approximately 121 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: hundred hunter days a season. However, this chunk of fifty 122 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: five thousand enrolled acres is currently closed to access for 123 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: reasons basically unknown. At first, at the very beginning of 124 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: the season, when it was super hot and dry, the 125 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: b m A was closed due to fire danger, but 126 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: once the fire danger subsided, they got roughly three inches 127 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: rain out there access was still off limits to the 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: b m A. If you look a little deep or 129 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: at the history of Fort Kyo and access, it wasn't 130 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: very long ago when a couple of knuckleheads drove through 131 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: a wet, cultivated field instead of on the nice gravel 132 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: road leading to and from the fishing access site. That 133 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: action by two individuals resulted in no more public use 134 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: of the fishing access site. The point is, don't take 135 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: these places for granted. It only takes one or two 136 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: users out to ruin a good thing. If you are 137 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: someone who likes to take advantage of these programs but 138 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: doesn't bother to pick up trash or maybe politely inform 139 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: the occasional hunter who's breaking the rules by like driving 140 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: on wet roads or blocking a gate, it is possible 141 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: that those small actions could lead to big negative results. 142 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: We're in the thick of it here in Montana. It 143 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: is deep into hunting season. Folks want to fill tags, 144 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: they want to get those last cup law birds. I 145 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: get it. Be respectful, understand the great opportunities that we have. 146 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Moving on Biden's thirty by thirty conservation plan. If you've 147 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: been following conservation news for the last few months, or 148 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: if you listen to episode one four here on the 149 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: Weekend Review, you've heard about President Biden's America the Beautiful Initiative, 150 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: also known as thirty by thirty. Under this plan, the 151 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: federal government aims to conserve thirty percent of America's lands 152 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: and waters by the year thirty. Right now, according to 153 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: the U S Geological Survey, about eleven percent of America's 154 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: freshwater ecosystems, twelve percent of its land, and twenty three 155 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: percent of its oceans are protected. Thirty by thirty would 156 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: recruit federal, state, and tribal agencies, along with private landowners 157 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: and other stakeholders, to bump those numbers up to thirty 158 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: in the next decade. The various federal agencies charged with 159 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: implementing this initiative haven't given US many details about exactly 160 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: how this will work, and you've probably guessed the biggest question, 161 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: what kind of land and water conservation will count towards 162 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the thirty threshold. Well, the Department of the Interior released 163 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: a fact sheet the same day as Biden's executive order 164 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: that provided examples of land that is considered quote conserved 165 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:28,119 Speaker 1: wilderness lands, national parks, national wildlife refugees, state parks, national monuments, 166 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: and private lands with permanent conservation ease months all made 167 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: the list. Of course, land and water ecosystems can be 168 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: effectively conserved even if they don't fit into any of 169 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: these categories. Multi use land programs such as uh I 170 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: don't know a National forest or State forest have in 171 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: some cases protected threatened plants and animals in many states. 172 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: At the behest of the Biden administration, the Departments of 173 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: the Interior, Agriculture, and Commerce, along with the Council on 174 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: Environmental Quality, issued a twenty four page report outlining the 175 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: basic goals and principles of the America the Beautiful Initiative. 176 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Among their core principles for this project are honoring private 177 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: property rights, supporting voluntary stewardship efforts, and supporting locally led conservation. 178 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: The agency spoke with a wide variety of stakeholders before 179 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: writing the report, and as a result of these discussions, 180 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: they committed to including the contributions of farmers, ranchers, wood 181 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: lawd owners, and private landowners in determining which lands and 182 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: waters count as conserved. They also issued six recommended focus 183 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: areas for state and federal agencies, some of which directly 184 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: benefit hunters and anglers. For example, they encourage federal agencies 185 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: to expand fish and wildlife habitat and corridors, and highlight 186 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: President Trump's efforts to enhance the winter range of deer, elk, 187 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: and pronghorn. The report states this initiative could be expanded 188 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: to include other land managers, to build partnerships with working 189 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: ranchers and other land owners, and to serve corridors and 190 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: seasonal ranges for other species. The recommendations also include a 191 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: dedicated section for increasing access to outdoor recreation. Here is 192 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: a quote Additional conservation can and should improve access for hunting, fishing, hiking, boating, 193 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: and other forms of outdoor recreation. Hunters, anglers, and other 194 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: outdoor enthusiasts have not only played a positive role in 195 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: stewarding our nation's lands, waters, and wildlife, but they also 196 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: generate significant economic benefits to local communities. In other words, 197 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: the report acknowledges that expanding access to hunters and anglers 198 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: will be a key part of thirty by thirty, which 199 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: I am obviously a fan of. With Fosberg, president and 200 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: CEO of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, believes that thirty 201 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: by thirty will be a positive for hunting and fishing. 202 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: Based on what he's seeing, he thinks the initiative will 203 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: focus on conservation, not preservation, rather than push to establish 204 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of new national monuments and parks. The agencies 205 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: are working to be as inclusive as possible. The TRCP 206 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: spoke with many of the agencies involved in putting this 207 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: plan together, and Fasburg is confident the Biden administration is 208 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: committed to preserving a variety of landscapes, both working in wilderness, 209 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: private and public. In short, at saying, conserved land will 210 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: include wildlife refuges, but it will also include well managed 211 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: multi use land as well as private land that you 212 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: know hopefully has the proper long term ease months. Of course, 213 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: none of this has stopped political advocacy groups from characterizing 214 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: thirty by thirty as a power play by the Biden 215 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: administration and its environmentalist backers. Here in Montana and out 216 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: of state, group, the American Stewards of Liberty has been 217 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: giving presentations about the quote thirty by thirty land grab. 218 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: They tell attendees that private land is a target under 219 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: thirty by thirty and argue that property owners will lose 220 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: control of their land if they participate in any federal 221 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: conservation program. According to a report in The Great False Tribune, 222 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: as just stated, it's true that private land is among 223 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: the targets of thirty by thirty, and it's true we 224 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: don't have as many details about thirty by thirty as 225 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: we like. But if you want to say that it's 226 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: nothing more than a federal land grab, you have to 227 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: argue that all four agencies are lying about priorities and goals, 228 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: and you have to play that scene from Blazing Saddles 229 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: a few times in your head land grab, land grab, 230 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: see snatch. Unfortunately, there is one thing that stands between 231 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: me and that property, the rightful owas that mel Brooks 232 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: knew how to make them. Politicians and officials lie. That's true, 233 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: but The land grab theory mischaracterizes what we know about 234 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: thirty by thirty, and it's being used to scare people 235 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: into political action and financial contributions. Let this be a 236 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: lesson to the Feds. If you roll out a big idea, 237 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: roll out big facts to go along with it, or 238 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: the vagary will be turned into fuel against your big idea. 239 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: Fasberg believes will know even more by the end of 240 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: the year. In December, a coalition of agencies is expected 241 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: to publish an atlas that breaks down exactly which lands 242 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: of the federal government will consider conserved. Once this is published, 243 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: will have a much clearer sense of the criteria they're 244 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: planning to use and what kinds of lions and waters 245 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: could be added to reach the goal. In today's political climate, 246 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: it's easy to support our side and oppose the other 247 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: side without doing our own research. But the hunting and 248 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: fishing community is one of the most politically diverse communities 249 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: in the country, and we owe it to ourselves and 250 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: to each other to get our facts straight. We can 251 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: protect wildlife, conserve the landscape, and help hunters and anglers 252 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: do more of what we love best. Currently, there are 253 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: more private acres set aside specifically for wildlife than all 254 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: of our national parks combined in the lower forty eight. 255 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Private property owners are some of the nation's leading conservationists 256 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: concern having thirty percent of our nation's lands and waters 257 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have to conflict with private property principles. If you'd 258 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: like to learn more and you should check out hunt 259 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: fish thirty dot com. This website was launched by a 260 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: coalition of hunting and fishing groups that all supports the 261 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: thirty by thirty initiative, including Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, Pheasants Forever, 262 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: the TRCP, the National Wild Turkey Federation, and the National 263 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Rifle Association. Check out their statements in regards to thirty 264 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: by thirty and for more details about why hunters and 265 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: anglers should no more, that's hunt fish dot com. Moving 266 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: on to the neglected rise of the machines desk, a 267 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: company called Carbon Robotics has developed a self driving robot 268 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: that targets weeds and agricultural fields and blast them with 269 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: lasers strong enough to cut through metal. The laser Weader, 270 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: which is a name that gets right to the point, 271 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: could be an enormous deal for the health of the 272 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: country's food system. And wildlife habitat right now. When it 273 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: comes to weed control, farmers are between a rock and 274 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: a hard place. If they do nothing, weeds drawn rampant, 275 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: and studies have shown that more than half of an 276 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: average corner soybean crop can be lost. On the other hand, 277 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: if they use herbicides, yields stay high, but a host 278 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: of consequences follow. For instance, some herbicides kill not only 279 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: the target weeds, but also the microbes in the soil. 280 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: Those microbes are responsible for breaking down organic matter and 281 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: making the micronutrients in that compostable material available for crops 282 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: to absorb. So when those microbes die, food crops can't 283 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: take in as many nutrients, and consequently the nutrient content 284 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: of food declines. It's important to note that herbicide use 285 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: in this decline is just one of many factors. But 286 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: at two thousand nine study published by the American Society 287 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: for Horticultural Science documented a decline in vegetable nutrient content 288 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: in certain areas of the US and the UK over 289 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: the previous fifty years. Another huge problem is the phenomenon 290 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: known as herbicide drift, which is also the least fund 291 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: of the fast and Furious franchise. I don't have funds. 292 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: I got family. When one farmer or lawn owner or 293 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: highway median supervisor uses herbicide, it often blows onto another 294 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: farmer's field, or on the flowers that pollinators visit, or 295 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: onto the nest of nearby pheasants, or it washes into 296 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: a trout stream. Herbicides can have broad spectrum applications were 297 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: very specific applications. In either case, you really want that 298 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: stuff to stick to its target, even if you don't 299 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: care about the side effects. It's all pretty expensive stuff, 300 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: so you want to be thrifty. It also might be 301 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: making farmers very sick. Although the research is still developing, 302 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: some evidence suggests that the herbicide lie fosse aid may 303 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: lead to cancer, and that another paraclat may cause Parkinson's disease. 304 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: And round Up, a chemical as common as coffee on 305 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: the farm, has tens of thousands of plain enough in 306 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit in regards to the folks who 307 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: did the sprain catching cancer. I could go on, but 308 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: you get it. We need her beside alternatives, and if 309 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: we don't do anything, eventually soil health goes down so 310 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: much that we can't produce enough food, and you know, 311 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: real cataclysmic system failures follow that enter the weed lasering robot. 312 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: The carbon or Robotics machine kind of looks like a 313 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: zamboni with tractor tires under the chassis. A series of 314 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: cameras capture images of the crop rows. The computer's artificial 315 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: intelligence determines whether a certain seedling is soy or lamb's quarter, 316 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: and then the laser cooks that lamb's quarter, all on 317 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: a fraction of a second. But wait, there's more. Have 318 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: you ever tried replanting the same raised bed with a 319 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: different crop, only to have last year's garden return. One 320 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: season's crop is the next season's weed, as they say, 321 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: And in a recent interview in Forbes magazine, the founder 322 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: of Carbon Robotics, Paul mike Sell, gave the example of 323 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: growing onions where you had previously grown carrots. Before the 324 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: robot had to spare carrots and zap everything else. But 325 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: now the AI can recognize the onions and zapp left 326 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: over carrots. As Mike Sell put it, Okay, it's onion time, 327 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Let's kill the carrots. Isn't that catchy? If there's ever 328 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: a weed laser zapping movie starring the rock. Maybe that's 329 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: going to be the tagline. It's lame. But let's face it, 330 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: as far as the garden punds and movies go Joe Dirt, 331 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: dare I say called classic nailed it? Dig it? You 332 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: make it work for you. Now, if you're getting the 333 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: feeling that a ten thousand pound artificial intelligence robot that 334 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: can kill one hundred thousand weeds an hour might be expensive, 335 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: you'd be correct. However, pesticides are also very expense of. 336 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: You can't just drop by ace hardware and grab something 337 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: off the shelf for some of this stuff. Weeds have 338 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: adapted the stronger and stronger herbicides, and each new formulation 339 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: takes more and more chemical innovation. That chemistry doesn't come cheap. 340 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: In fact, according to the two thousand twenty one Crop 341 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: Cost and Return Guide issued by Purdue University, herbicides now 342 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: costs between fifty and sixty dollars an acre, which is 343 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: up from eighteen dollars an acre in two thousand fifteen. 344 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: It's now the second highest cost on a farmer's balance sheet, 345 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: behind fertilizer. We spoke to one of the papers authors, 346 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Michael Langemeier, who said that herbicides follow an almost inevitable 347 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: upward cost slope. Weeds get better, herbicide gets more complex, 348 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: prices go up. Obviously, this can't go on forever. Eventually 349 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: the soil quality crashes, or farmers just can't afford effective herbicide, 350 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: or both. Langemeyer stressed that inventions like the laser weader 351 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: are just one aspect of the precision aggric ulture that's 352 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: been developing for the last fifteen years. AI, robotics, mapping technology, 353 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: all of these things are allowing farmers to target exactly 354 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: where to apply herbicide or pesticide or manure and use 355 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: the smallest possible amounts. Whether you think AI is eggs 356 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: ultimate solution, or if you think that leading a consumer 357 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: revolution to get people to pay way more for hand 358 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: tended crops is the way to go, you should both 359 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: find solace and what old Joe Dirt said, life's a 360 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: garden dig it. But seriously, if you're listening to this 361 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: show and you do not currently hunter, or fish or garden, 362 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of crossover between harvesting food from a 363 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: raised bed and food off the hoof for the wing. 364 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: There's still time to throw some garlic in a pot 365 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: if you want to start right now. Moving on to 366 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: the Alaska Desk. Back in June, we celebrated the temporary 367 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: deferment of Wildlife Special Action Request one, which aim to 368 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: close in an armist chunk of public land in Alaska 369 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: to non subsistence hunters. Well, that deferment was in fact temporary, 370 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: The exact same proposal to close units twenty three and 371 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: is back on the table to take effect in as 372 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: a quick refresher, A local body named the Northwest Arctic 373 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: Subsistence Regional Advisory Council is claiming that outside hunters coming 374 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: to the area are disrupting Caribou migration patterns. In response, 375 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: they have prompted a vote by the Federal Subsistence Board 376 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: on closing the area to non locals. If the vote passes, 377 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: this stretch of public land as big as the United 378 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Kingdom would be closed not just to hunters from the 379 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: Lower forty eight, but also to Alaskans who don't meet 380 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: the criteria that define a subsistence hunter. As a quick recap, 381 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: there have been no disruptions to Cariboo migrations that have 382 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: been demonstrated, even if they have been. The law that 383 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: governs these decisions says that federal lands have to remain 384 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: open for hunting, fishing, and trapping by all federally qualified 385 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: users unless population numbers are threatened, not migration patterns or behavior, 386 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: but the actual number of animals in the herd. Cariboo 387 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: numbers in this area are well inside a healthy range, 388 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: and non subsistence hunting take takes up two and a 389 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: half percent of the total annual harvest, so the conservation 390 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: argument for this closure is not very strong. As we 391 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: covered before, this decision is about more than a piece 392 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: of land out in the Boonies. It's about the dangerous 393 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: precedent it would set. In two thousand twenty smaller units 394 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: for their South thirteen and thirteen B were closed to 395 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: non local moose and cariboo hunters without much fanfare. And now, 396 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: in addition to this potential closure of twenty three and 397 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: twenty six A, three other potential closures are coming before 398 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: the Federal Subsistence Board that would block outsiders from hunting 399 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: blacktailed deer in Southeast Alaska. So once again we need 400 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: to make our voices heard to ensure this doesn't happen. 401 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: The telephone meeting where the Federals Subsistence Board is taking 402 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: public comment is happening this Wednesday, November seventeen, from four 403 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: pm to six pm alask at time. That's seven to 404 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: nine Central time. You listeners on the East coast, you 405 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: might have to stay up a bit past bedtime, but 406 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: you're living in the dark anyway. The toll free number 407 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: is eight eight eight zero pass code six O seven 408 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: one eight zero six six O seven eight zero six. 409 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Remember last time we called, we only got them to 410 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: defer the vote. Maybe they thought we'd forget this time. 411 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: Let's make sure they vote and vote. No. That's all 412 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: I've got for you this week. Thank you so much 413 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: for listening. Remember you can always get a hold of 414 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: me by writing in to a s k c a L. 415 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: That's asked Cal at the Meat Eater dot com. Let 416 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: me know what's going on in your neck of the woods. 417 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: And I know it seems early because the weather is 418 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: so warm, but we're creeping in on that time where 419 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: you should consider giving that love won the gift that 420 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: they really love. A steel chainsaw or pulse saw or 421 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: falling acts or weed blower, you know something with some muscle. 422 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: Go to www dot Steel Dealers dot com and find 423 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: a local, knowledgeable steel dealer near you. They will help 424 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: you find the perfect orange and white, powerful, clean, quiet, 425 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: possibly electric steel chainsaw for the one you love. Thanks 426 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: again and I'll talk to you next week.