1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, you should be able to ground that like 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: green wire. All right, we should jump forr that to 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: ground and the fuel pump should run. The car Doctor, 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: there's a fourth sensor system. Okay, the bottom two that 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: you can't see, and you're really in a horrible, ugly place, 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: and the top two they're well, they're not much better 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: to get to either. Welcome to the radio home of 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian the Car Doctor. Since this is where 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: on automotive repair. 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UM, here's what I got go, Here's 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: what I got going on. UM. I was kind of 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I had a few issues with the truck. UM. He 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: was having a problem where I would come go somewhere, 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: UM after the engine warmed up and then it would 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: sit for half hour an hour and then wouldn't I 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't start it with crank but no fire, no start. 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: UM had a had an engine code PISO three three 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: six UM for the crank chef position sensor. It's it's 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: a defel and UM. Basically, you know, I did a 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: lot of research trying to figure out what might be 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: coming a problem right because it was also having an 41 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: issue where the lift pump wasn't coming on at the 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: times that it would crank and not start. Because I 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: can hear the lift pump. It's you know, it's not 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: enough to hear um day way. But I came to 45 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: was people that have the same problem changed the crank 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: chef position sensor and that solved it. Um. So I'm 47 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of the repair. I took the starter 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: out so I could get to that, to that sensor. Um. 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: It has a ten millimeter hex head bolt holds it 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: into the engine block there, metal mount and bracket round 51 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: it off that bolt. Wow, get there? Yeah? Um? Was 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: it was it heavy? That's the real problem that I'm 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: at right now. YEA, heavily heavily rusted. It doesn't really no, 54 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: not really, it's it's real greasy if anything. You know, 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: I've offered to oil and grime around my engine blocking. 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: What what what kind of access do you have to it? 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: Could you get? Could you get an exhaust cut off 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: tool up there and cut a slot in it and 59 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: and make it into like a straight play screwdriver slot 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: mm hmm um or or or I mean I'm sure 61 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: you've gone the route of you know, trying to cross 62 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: between the something metric and the something standard threat and 63 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: try to uh, you know, the next size down socket 64 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: and a standard threat or whatever. It's kind of rounded 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: itself off to whether it's seven six, three eight or 66 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: something smaller. Um, you know, have you tried that if 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: you tried finding a socket that's just a little tighter 68 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: and pounding it on and seeing you can break it loose, 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: I haven't, you know? And just as a suggested, if 70 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: you get something to fit, just try snugging it a 71 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: little bit, just give it a little you know, in 72 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: the wrong direction, just to try and break the tension loose, 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: and then try spinning it out. Try going back the 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: other way and spinning it out. You know. They've also 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: there are also some what I believe they're called turbo sockets, 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: which is a socket with little teeth in it that 77 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: you know, they've got least these fluted teeth fluted it's 78 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: it's like a reverse twist drill, but in a socket form, 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: so to speak, that will grab the shoulders of the 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: rounded bolt and walk it out that way. I'm sure 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: they're available any any tool truck or any tool store. 82 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, those work well. And then you know the 83 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: last digit if if if I've got it where I 84 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: can't get anything to grip at all, and I'm in 85 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: a real tight spot, what else can I make that 86 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: into My fail safe is I will try to take UM, 87 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: either a file, a hacksaw blade something and cut a 88 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: slot in the bolt or in the rounded stub, whatever 89 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: I'm dealing with at this point, Just cut a slot 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: in it, and you know, can I get a you know, 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: match it to the size of a good sized screwdriver 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: and you know, drive it out that way and you know, 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: break it loose with that. UM. One last thought if 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: you do make it into a screwdriver and you're you're 95 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: kind of running out of options, do you know what 96 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: an impact driver is? A handheld impact driver? UM. You know, 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: like we we used to take set screws off a 98 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: break rotors. Uh. You know, if you can put a 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: straight bit sock it in that handheld impact driver and 100 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: give it a pop with a hammer, it'll give it 101 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: enough of a shock that you know, as you pop 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: it in, UM, it'll it'll push the head of that 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: in and you know it'll give it an automatic twist 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: on the cam mechanism of the impact driver, and that 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: might break it loose as well. So you know, I 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: I just think for whatever reason, the head of the 107 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: bolt is weather around it off and as you say 108 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: it's it's it's so oily and greasy. It sounds like 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: it's pre lubricated, and it shouldn't really be an issue. 110 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: Um uh you know, but that's that's how I would 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: approach it. And yeah, you're right, it's it's it's likely 112 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: a crank censor. There was a way to check it. Um. 113 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: I think it was something on the orders of uh um, 114 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, using the scope, you're looking at pulse signal. 115 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: But a lot of cases it's it's yeah, it's crank, 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: it's crank censor, or it's uh, it's wiring, So just 117 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: verify that as well, and um, you should be okay. 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: But those are my tips. That's what I would do 119 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: if we were in the shop, That's what i'd be 120 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: having a conversation about. All right, sir, all right, listen 121 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: if you if you really get in a jam, take 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: a picture of what you're working on and shoot me 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: an email and uh, I'll see if I got any 124 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: other thoughts. But I would I would not hesitate to 125 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe go out and by a set of 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: turbo sockets. They're cheap enough and they'll help you out 127 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: some we're down the road and it's just gonna be 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: a three drive subtle fit, whatever ratchet or extension you got, right, Okay, 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: so that's it, all right, Phil, Good luck to you baby. 130 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: All right, thank You're very welcome. Good look, let's get 131 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: over and talk to Barry. Sit your sides. California a 132 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Chrysler and some problems here with the four oh Barry. 133 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? I 134 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking my cart. I guess 135 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: you've got some of the information. Yeah, it's a four 136 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: point oh Leader motor. And what body what body style 137 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: is this in? It's it's the big limited edition to 138 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: three seats with every bill and whistle. Looks like a 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: spaceship in there. Okay, Um the three this is a 140 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: this is a three hundred three D limited. No, it's 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: it's a four point oh Leader motor. Okay, what model 142 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: Chrysler is this though? Um, it's the limited edition town 143 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: the Country. It's a and okay right, yes, okay, god sorry, 144 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: that's okay. Um, you know, because they change a little 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: bit from model to model, and we're we're dealing with 146 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: the what it dies at? Idle? What you do? You 147 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: started up and you get going to about twenty eight 148 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: miles now and it starts surging. And then after you 149 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: go a little further than it wants, it wants to die. 150 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: It'll die on a curve and I thought that's what 151 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: it was, but then it starts dying on the straightaway. 152 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: And uh, like we said, we've changed the fuel pump 153 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: like you meant, the camp center, the crank center, I mean, 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: everything's been changed on it. But um, and it throws 155 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: no codes whatsoever. All right, So has anybody have you? 156 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: Have you been able to hook up a scan tool 157 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: and take it for a ride when it dies? Yes, sir, 158 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: what I took to the Chrysler garage in Rosoe, California, 159 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: which is east for me, about fifteen miles and they 160 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: the guy put it on the scope and it went 161 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: through all of checks and showed nothing. Everything was in 162 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: order on that scanning. I bet you this car, I 163 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: bet it sounds like this car is shutting down the 164 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: can bus. You know, when he scans this for fauld codes, 165 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: do you know is he looking at just the PCM 166 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: cider is he doing a full vehicle scan for fault codes? Well? 167 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, UM, I can't really tell you that. Um 168 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: he said he did it he did a full scan 169 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: on it. There's the words that came back to me 170 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: that he took it through every he had it for 171 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: like forty five minutes. He went through every procedure and 172 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: everything comes up green. But the procedure you're talking about, 173 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: he never mentioned to me. Okay, because I'm I'm questioning, 174 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: and let me ask you this, what made him decide 175 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: to put a fuel pump in it? Are we throwing 176 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like we're throwing darts, even to the head, right, 177 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly. We threw a lot of darks, four darts, 178 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: and just with all of them. It sounds like it 179 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: sounds like we spent fift at the two grand and 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: we're still throwing darts at the board. Yeah, exactly, And 181 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: that's why go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm sitting 182 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: here thinking. I'll tell you what. I gotta pull over 183 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and take a pause, Barry, don't go anywhere. Let me 184 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: let me come back to you at this. Let me 185 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: let me recover my breath here because this is like 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: um um, let me let me do that. Let me 187 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: pull over, take a pause, Barry. I'll be right back. 188 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Everybody else, I'll be right back. I'm wanting any of 189 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: the car doctor don't go away, welcome back. Weren't any 190 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: of the car DOCTO zero on the phone with Barry 191 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: from City Sized, California. Barry, you're still there, sir, Yes, sir, 192 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: I am so for you regarding your O A Christler 193 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: Town and Country with a four oh and the intermittent 194 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: stole and cutting out thirty miles an hour. So at 195 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: this point they've done They've done a fuel pump, they 196 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: did a crank at cam censor. What else are they 197 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: put in the car? Uh? That's just so for the 198 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: field pomp cam crank and the uh the other censor 199 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: throttle presenting censor. Yes, okay, and that did they put 200 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: a throttle posion centsor they put a throttle body on it? No, 201 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: just the center of the throttle body is not And 202 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: that's one thing I thought about two doctors. Maybe it 203 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: might be that throttle body. I've come across that before. Well, 204 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: but where's the diagnosis here? I'm not you know, did 205 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: they charge you a formal diagnosis? There was this forty 206 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: five minutes of code scanning. They said, we can't find 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: anything wrong. We're gonna start throwing darts at it. And 208 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: they they they charged me a hundred and sixty dollars 209 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: at the CHRISTI and they gave me. I said, you're 210 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: gonna charge me for giving me no answer and someone 211 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: and so forth, and they said, well, you know that's it. 212 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: And I said, where's your scan report? I mean, you've 213 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: got something you can show me and they said no. 214 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: And uh so I left there with throwing darts at it. 215 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: So who did the fuel pump, cam crank and the 216 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: rest of it? I gotta I gotta mechanic here in 217 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: uh Roth in California, and uh we you know, went 218 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: went about it like that and uh and with my idea. 219 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: I mean we talked it over and we said, well maybe, 220 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: but the last thing we put in here and that, 221 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: but just a week ago, was the fuel pump. All right, 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: So here's the part with the cheapest and went to 223 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: the expenses, sir, here's here's the deal, bib. All right, 224 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: you've got to forget what you've done, because it sounds 225 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: like what you've done is all wrong, all right, whether 226 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: whether it be the Chrysler guy, the Independent guy and 227 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: everybody in between. I don't want to beat anybody up, 228 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: but sometimes in a diagnosis, if you can't prove what's wrong. 229 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: You've got to prove what's right. All right, You've got 230 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: to eliminate the obvious. You've got to make an argument 231 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: for it. And I'll sit there myself and say, Okay, 232 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be X. How do I prove it? 233 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: How do I prove its X? How can I be 234 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: sure it's X? And if it's not X, where would 235 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: I look next? When I'm dealing with a hardcore diagnosis 236 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: like this, I go through this each and every time. 237 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: It takes time. There's no quick answers. For example, all right, 238 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: there's a cry Bysler Chrysler PCMs. It's a known fact. 239 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of problems. And I'm not saying 240 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: it's a PCM, Barry, let me preface this conversation right 241 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: off the bat. I'm not saying it is a bad PCM. 242 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: But Chrysler PCMs, for example, have have known issues with 243 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: intermittent open or stuck closed transistor drivers for for the 244 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: throttle control that'll make that car cut out, shut off, stall. 245 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: You'll you'll think, you'll think all day long that you 246 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: know it's it's one of the other four things you've 247 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: changed or something else, and it's a PCM problem that 248 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: happens so fast that it's it's very difficult to diagnose, 249 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: and the only way to prove that it's that would 250 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: be to to diagnose against everything else. And sometimes you 251 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: have to sit there and hook up ALAP scope, go 252 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: down the road, watch watch the cam and the crank 253 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: censors on the scope and see what's going on. And 254 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: you know when the car cuts out? What the cam 255 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: in the crank censor? Do you know? How? Did how 256 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: did they miss beehave? Did they miss behave? Did the 257 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: PCM lose power? And ground? Is it's something related to 258 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: the flex of the wiring harness? Is something pulling on 259 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: at the load of the engine pulling on a part 260 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: of the harness that's created a break in the harness. 261 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: That's that's possibly causing the vehicle to shut off. Let 262 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: me ask you this as the car you've owned, the 263 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: Carson's New No, I've just had it a year and 264 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: I must tell you I took a trip up to 265 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: you talk with two miles on it and it ran great. 266 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean, so now we've got these situations going on. 267 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: Any any to your knowledge, to your knowledge, has the 268 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: car ever been in an accident? Uh no, not to 269 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: my knowledge. We had we had that all proved out. 270 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: Of course, you never know, I mean to the dealer. 271 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: And then I pulled up the license and all the 272 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: previous owners if it had been in any accident, and 273 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: it showed nothing like that. I mean, you want to 274 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: you want to just double check that. And then then 275 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: my other thought is do you have a factory radio 276 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: in this car? Is it an aftermarket radio? No, it's 277 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: a it's a factory And the reason I asked that 278 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: question is because cars today and Chrysler especially everything there 279 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: is a controlled area network. You ever, you ever have 280 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: a bad computer pull down the network? Yeah? And you 281 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: know what? And it seems like a lot of problems 282 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: with radios and vehicles today. And they're not the only 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: ones that you'll see this with, but you'll see problems 284 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: where radios, for example, or I've had I've had Chrysler's 285 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: where power seats stopped working. You unplug the module that 286 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: controls the power seat count to ten, plug it back in. 287 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: It's a reboot, it's a dead boot. Problem goes away 288 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: and it never happens again. I Chrysler just has some 289 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: really neat, interesting little electrical gremlins. So the way I'm 290 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna tell you this has to get diagnosed, all right, 291 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: is the first thing I want you to do is 292 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: repeat the problem. I'd like somebody to go in, scan 293 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: it for fault codes and do a complete vehicle scan 294 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: every module in the vehicle, write down everything complete. I 295 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: want you know if there's if there's thirty eight modules 296 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: on this vehicle. I wanted to look at every module, 297 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: all right, Okay, a complete scan. Yeah, okay, I'm just repeating. 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting a complete scan of all the modules that 299 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: are on this car, them right, all of them. Then 300 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I want you then I want you to erase all 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: the fault codes and go and go and go drive 302 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: it again and listen. I'll tell you what, Barry. If 303 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: you want, you can actually get this section of the podcast. 304 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: This will be our to today. You can actually go 305 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: to the website Car Doctor show dot com download the 306 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: podcast you're coming up around the quarter past the hour 307 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: that's where you started. You can actually listen to this 308 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: whole conversation over and over again. So let me let 309 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: me tell you, let me tell you what to do, 310 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: and then you go back and listen to the podcast. 311 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: You'll get more out of it. So I want you 312 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: to go through scan all the modules, all right, write 313 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: everything down, printed out. However, your scan tool works, clear 314 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: the codes, clear the codes. Take it for a rod, 315 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: repeat the problem. Okay, scan it again. What came back? 316 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: That will at least give you a direction if no 317 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: fault codes existed before and no fault codes exist after, 318 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: and this vehicle legitimately goes into a cutout situation, all right, 319 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Just to end the argument, I want you to clean 320 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: the throttle body, all right, Chrysler throttle bodies, Chrysler drive 321 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: by wire. Let me tell you how you need Chrysler 322 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: drive by wire. Is Chrysler drive by wire if it 323 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: has a fault in the electronic throttle control on a 324 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: Chrysler and other cars do this, but Chrysler seems to 325 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: be real good at it. The car won't start. It's 326 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: not that it'll crank over and not fire. It won't 327 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: even crank. They disabled that. They disabled to start command 328 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: to prevent the vehicle from firing up. Whether that existed 329 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: in a way, And I have to reference a diagram 330 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: to be sure, but it's always a good idea to 331 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: start with a clean throttle body on this car. Make 332 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: sure the plate moves free and easy. Okay, then take 333 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: it for a ride. Get the problem to repeat. Still 334 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: no codes. Now I want to scope cam and crank sensors. 335 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: What am I losing? I want to look at charging 336 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: system voltage while this happens. I want to look at 337 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: the scan tool and look at some of the variable 338 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: parameters like fuel trim, write them down, and then when 339 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: the problem reoccurs, did they reset or are they back 340 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: where they were? In other words, is the PCM going 341 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: into a lost limp mode like it's losing its mind 342 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: and starting over again, or is it retaining it. You've 343 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: got some work cut out for you, Barry. Do that. 344 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Call me back, let me know what happens. I'm kind 345 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: of curious we'll get this fixed yet. I'm not a 346 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: naming of the Car Doctor coming back right after this. 347 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back the end of the Car Doctor five zero 348 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: nine zero zero Car Doctor Show dot com for more information. UM, 349 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: I just want to mention this. I was thinking about 350 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Barry from California, and I've to make a comment with 351 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: regard to how that diagnosis went down. That was probably 352 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: a classic example of how not to diagnose something. All Right, 353 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: A hundred and sixty dollars and no print out. We 354 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: call it printing post. In the shop, we talk about 355 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: killing trees. Unfortunately, if you're a tree hugger, I'm not 356 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: your guy, all right, because we print a lot in 357 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: the shop, and you know, every diagnosis I've ever done, 358 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: I print as much information as I possibly can for 359 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: two reasons. One to prove I actually did something, and 360 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: it also helps in explaining it at the counter. So 361 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: if you're paying for a diagnosis, Look, you go to 362 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: the doctor, he'll give you some kind of a written diagnosis, right, 363 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: they'll give you X rays in some cases, no, not 364 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: so much anymore, but you can demand them. But they 365 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: give you all your medical history in some form digitally 366 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: or otherwise to take home. Seems true with a car today, 367 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: if you're paying for a diagnosis, if you're getting a diagnosis, 368 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: whether you're paying for it or not, actually you've got 369 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: to get something in writing. What did you do? And 370 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: I'll say it like this. This year I purchased a 371 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: scan device, you know, a desktop scanner, so I can 372 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: now scan the diagnosis right to Google Drive. And I've 373 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: got folders set up for diagnostics, GM Diagnostics, Chrysler and 374 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: so on. I'm building my own database. I'll drop it 375 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: in hit the shortcut game, and then I shred it, 376 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: and then I've always got it to fall back to, 377 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: and then I'll go back later on and I'll reference 378 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: the file and say, uh, you know, oh, a Chrysler 379 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: cutting out an idle problem, and I've got a database 380 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: that I'm building. You've got to print the material. You've 381 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: got to have a record of what you did, because 382 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: you're not gonna remember. Barry's not gonna remember what he 383 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: did at the beginning of this diagnosis till the end 384 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: of it, and neither will you, and neither will your mechanic. Um. 385 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: You know, there's always there's always a reason to print 386 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: for the mechanic, to help retain the information for you, 387 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: the consumer, for proof of what happened. Because you print 388 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: it today, you're on the East coast. You moved to 389 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: the West coat in two weeks. A month later, the 390 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: same problem happens. How are you going to prove that 391 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: what was done? You can't And if you've got it 392 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: in writing, you sure ken. So just something to think about. 393 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Don't pay for a diagnosis without a print out. I 394 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: think that's wrong. I think that's um I think that's 395 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: a license to steal money. Let's get over and talk 396 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: to Sam Portland. Is that where's that Portland, Michigan? Is 397 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: that where we are? Yep, yes, yes, sir, Yes, yes sir. 398 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: Where's that ol FI p T cruiser? How can I 399 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: help you? Well, the car quit on me and then uh, 400 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: and then it would start, uh, and I'd drive it 401 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: a little ways to quit again. So I, of course 402 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: took it to the mechanic and uh, he couldn't get 403 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: it to quit. He ended a week, he kept trying trying, 404 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: it wouldn't quit. So I bring it home. It quits, 405 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: of course. So anyway, I took it to another mechanic 406 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: and he did a lot of testing for on the 407 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: connections and everything, and uh, finally you got down to 408 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: the point where we thought it was a computer. Call 409 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: the computer, sent it in to get it reprogrammed. They 410 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: said it was a computer, was no good, So we 411 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: got another computer put it in and it ran really 412 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: good for like fifteen minutes. So then we really attached it. 413 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: He did to the to the car and it ran, 414 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, another ten minutes or so, and then it 415 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: quit again. Well, when I understand something, you've got a 416 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: replacement computer. Yeah, and you put it in the car, right, 417 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: and it ran for fifteen minutes, right, and then you 418 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: did well. Well, then then if he if he unplugged 419 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: it and plug it back in, it would start again 420 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: and run for a little bit. But then we had 421 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: this really foul smell. I don't know. We couldn't figure 422 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: out what that was. But anyway, so that's the status 423 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: right now. I um, you know, I'm at a loss 424 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: what to do because if I if I tried to 425 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: get a another computer from christ, it's gonna cost me, 426 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: like and the car is not worth that, right because 427 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not it's not a turbo or there's 428 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: a turbo car. Right. So we're going on the assumption, 429 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: which is a dangerous word, but we all wear a 430 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: big boy pants here on the car. Doctor. Um, this 431 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: is a dangerous word. But we're going on the assumption 432 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: that this is a PCM and the reman PCM that 433 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: you got maybe is no good. Is that what we're 434 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: talking about here? Is that what the mechanics thinking. So 435 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: if we're going to that assumption, so you've got to 436 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: find a used PCM that you know won't break the bank. 437 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: Basically all right, there's a place in Pennsylvania. I gotta 438 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: think of their name. Now, wait a minute, used e 439 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: c MS dot com, used PCMs dot com there in 440 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: eastern p a. Um, let me put it this way. 441 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: The shops in northern in Northern Jersey. And they're about 442 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: two hours from me. So if you look at a 443 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: map and go west of Waldwick, um, there's some we're 444 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: in that neck of the woods. All right. Um, I 445 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: think it's used PCM to use d c MS. They've 446 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: actually got a website and you can, you know, plug 447 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: in your computer part number. You'll have a part number 448 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: on your computer. And they're pretty good. Um. I don't 449 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: buy I don't buy a lot of US d c ms, 450 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: but every once in a while i've got somebody on 451 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: a short budget. Nothing to be ashamed of it, just 452 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's like at the point, 453 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes I've got sometimes I've got older cars where 454 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: the e c M is obsolete. I can't get it anymore. Um. 455 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Well that's that's kind of what's happened here. And and 456 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: they had this place I went had one the same 457 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: numbers and everything right, and so you know we had 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: of course it was good to work, right, So I would, Yeah, 459 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: I would. I would call up and talk to them. 460 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it's. It's it's amazing. And if 461 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: you can't find it, email me Ron at Car Doctor 462 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: Show dot com and when I get it. When I 463 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: get it on Monday. There's a magnet sitting on the 464 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: file cabinet, you know, every once in a while. Um, 465 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: I remember seeing it there every once in a while 466 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: I needed. But I can surely give you the information 467 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: that way. But I think it's used d cms or 468 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: used PCMs. It's a pretty simple generic. Been using them 469 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: for the better part of fifteen years. And I think 470 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: I had one situation where I think it was a 471 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: four Grand Marque PCM where I had to get to 472 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll work with you. They were, they were 473 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: good people, they worked. Haven't talked to them in a while. 474 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: For all I know, they're out of business. It's been 475 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: probably a year since I've used them. I'm not to 476 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: put it, not to put a damper on it, but 477 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's that the company that I got 478 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: the one from. Uh No, everything I read about them, 479 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: they were really reliable. It hasn't one year. Uh wardy, 480 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: so I'm sure I can send it back. Well, once 481 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: you send it back and see if they've got another one, 482 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do, you know. But I just 483 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: wanted if you hit might have had some other you know. 484 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: The thing that really struck me was that the smell, 485 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: right that all of a sudden appeared, and I wondered 486 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: if if there was something unique about that. Well, do 487 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: you have the old d c M yet or you 488 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: have to send it back? No? No, I have it. Okay, 489 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: So if you plug that one in, the car runs different, 490 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: and that that is another way to look at it. Yeah, 491 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: if you plug the old d c M back in 492 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and the car runs totally different, you've just you've just 493 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: proven that the new e c M is bad because 494 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: it's something changed. All right, you know what's different? Uh? 495 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: You know, here's the here's here's the great parameter. Here, 496 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: here's the or here's the here's the great equalizer. You're 497 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with unknowns because I don't care who 498 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: remanufactures it. I've always felt this way. I've never I 499 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: just unless it's at engineering level, I don't think any 500 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: aftermarket computer rebuilder anybody even use d c M S. 501 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: All right, I understand they rebuild some of their stuff. 502 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they can test it the way the 503 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: factory assembled it. I just don't think because they don't 504 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: have the dollars, they don't have the engine ring for it. 505 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: And and you know the inversame thing when we the 506 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: the one that we took out, it was all it 507 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: was a used one, right, so it must have been 508 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: replaced you before I bought the car, right, It's yeah, 509 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: it's okay. Yeah. Now now the only other alternative is 510 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: because it's a two four turbo, you know, it's a 511 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: little bit of a lot rod. You just wondered if 512 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: it does anybody make a performance computer for it? Does 513 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: anybody do a computer from scratch? And I don't know, 514 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe that's you know so, but but 515 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: but one step at a time. All right, Let's let's 516 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: see what else happens. Let's let's try swapping the computers 517 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: back and forth and seeing if that changes the way 518 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: it goes. And if it doesn't and the car runs 519 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: the same, then call me back and we'll diagnose it together. 520 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: All right, that's my promise. So all right, you do 521 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: that and then we'll go from there A good deal. Alright, sir, 522 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: you take good care. I'm any of the car Doctor 523 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: and I'll be back right after this. Hey, welcome back, 524 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: any of the car Doctor. Zero nine zero zero. Let's 525 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: get ever and talk to Tom Banger mean Tom. How 526 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: are you today, sir? What's going on? Oh? I'm well, 527 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? What's cooking? How cold is 528 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: it up there today? It's gotta it's it's bone chilling 529 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: called here in New Jersey, so I gotta think of 530 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: me and it's you know, no, it's it's actually pushing 531 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: thirty six thirty eight right now. It's not too bad. 532 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah for you guys. It's like a heat wave for 533 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: New Jersey. That's like, you know, don't leave the house. So, um, 534 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: what's going on? Well, I I'm incliring about owen. I'm 535 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: j K wrangling with the V six um and I 536 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: was going to put a cold air intake probably the 537 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: kin and system there. But I had a quick question 538 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: before I went and did it, and that is, um, 539 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: this thing is used um in fairly rugged country in 540 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: the dead of winner sometimes, you know, seeing thirty five 541 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: below a lot of snow, and I you know, I 542 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: understand the base principles of of you know, feeding feeding 543 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: that engine a lot more air, and I just you know, 544 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: it's got a hundred sixty five miles on it, and 545 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: and uh, the culbination of the miles and the and 546 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: the incredibly cold air feeding that engine. I didn't know 547 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: if there were any drawbacks to go into a system 548 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: like that. I don't see any drawbacks to it. But 549 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I've always gotten concerned with, and 550 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: and the fact that we can now look at it, 551 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: is I like looking at it through a tuner. I 552 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: would tell you do the cold air intake, but also 553 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: consider putting a tuner on it, because then at least 554 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: you can modify and make the changes right from the seat, 555 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: and you can also see what's going on, and you'll 556 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: actually be able to see the differences of that cold 557 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: air intake system is making and then adjust accordingly. So 558 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's sort of like you know, in 559 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: the old days, were you were you a high school 560 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: hot rutter, tom um, Well, I drove some rough, old 561 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: pickup trucks, but they usually had like a four sixty 562 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: in the right. Yeah, so you qualify, man. You know, 563 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: it's like you never you never did just headers, right. 564 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: It always started as headers, and then it became full exhaust, 565 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and then it became an intake, and then you know, 566 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: so you know cold air intakes. I get these questions 567 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: all the time. They're great. The cannon system, great system. 568 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: Have one on, have two on two family vehicles. Having 569 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: on my plow truck for crying out loud. You know, 570 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: I got a plow truck with a can in on it. 571 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: Not that that's so unusual, but you know, it's a 572 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: great system. It added a lot of bottom end, it 573 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: added some more, it added some better off final response. 574 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: But the flat out biggest change I saw on the 575 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: plow truck was when I put a tuner on it. 576 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a um in tune uh, 577 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: you know from Diablo Sport Uh, the Intune I two 578 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: and UM. It just made a heck of a difference 579 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: in the fact that I can sit there and you 580 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: know just what I want to adjust and change what 581 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: I want to change. Just you know, it's just it's 582 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: it's it's better. I'm actually able to tune what's coming 583 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: in and what's going out. So just just something to 584 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: think about that decrease engine life at all or anything 585 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: like that as far as um, you know, on paper, No, 586 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: not in paper, not on my mind. And you know, 587 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: somebody else asked me this question on Facebook the other day. 588 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: They they said that, you know, the question was about 589 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, manufacturer's warranty. To my knowledge, it does not 590 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: all right, Um, you know, I I think that the 591 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: concern is and and I will say this, the folks 592 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: at the Olblow Sport will tell you where the line 593 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: is between emissions warranty and manufacturer's warranty and you know, legal, 594 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: illegal and that stuff. They're very careful about that because 595 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: it's it's obviously a big issue. Uh, it can be honest. 596 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm not too awful worried about the 597 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: warranty issue where it has so many miles and the emissions, 598 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: the emissions are fairly loose and fast here in Maine. 599 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: It's it's more of a case of, you know, I 600 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: want this thing to last as long as possible, and 601 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: I'd keep it, you know, i'd keep everything factory on 602 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: the engine side of things. If I if I was, 603 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, thinking that that would be an issue. But 604 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: if if it's not, I'd certainly like to get a 605 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: little bit of extra you know power. Yeah, I I 606 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I wouldn't put it on a vehicle 607 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: if I thought it was gonna shorten the life, because 608 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: even the plow truck at thirty two thousand miles, I'd 609 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: still worry about it. On the other end, I don't. 610 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to abuse anything. Um. I think. I 611 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: think in the case of what I've seen from the 612 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: plow truck in particular, I think it's helping extend engine 613 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: life because in my mind it's it's it's it's such 614 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: a smoother transition free operation in the way it operates 615 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: pick up, you know, stop sign, pull away? Uh more, 616 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: it feels it feels guts here. Um. You know, I'm 617 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: making better use of what the factory didn't allow me 618 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: to do because of the way the engine is now tuned. 619 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: Uh you know. Think of it like this. Back in 620 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: the old days, if you jetted a Holly carburetor, did 621 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: it shorten engine life? No? Right, it Actually it made 622 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: it run more efficient. The only thing the shortened engine 623 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: life was your foot on the gas pedal, which you 624 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: know I can't control that. I can't control it so well, 625 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I pull a boat with it, and I use it 626 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: a little bit aggressively as far as considering that it 627 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: is a gee pulling and something like that. So so 628 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: in Diablo, that's a that's a company that. Yeah, you 629 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: can find more at their website, Diablo Sport dot com. Alright, sir, 630 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: Diablo Sports dot com. Good deal, Tom, You take good 631 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: care of have a good rest of the weekend. I'm 632 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,239 Speaker 1: running any of the car doctor. I'll be back right 633 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: after this. Hey, welcome back. Let's do a couple of 634 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: quick pieces of in house mail here. We just got 635 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: some information. A caller called up about the guy with 636 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: the PT cruiser. He said, try module masters module masters 637 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: dot com. That's right, I remember module Masters. We haven't 638 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: used them in a long long time. Um, I don't 639 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: know why, but nothing bad to say about a module 640 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: masters dot com. He says, they rebuild modules computers included in. 641 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: The caller has had good luck with him, so we 642 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: appreciate that for the gentleman the PT Cruiser. Actually, um, 643 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: who else did we get a call from this hour? No, 644 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of somebody else with a with a PCM. No, 645 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: we didn't actually prove that PCM was bad, but yeah, 646 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: module masters dot com. Another caller wrote in and said 647 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: they had a question about tires, and they wanted to 648 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: do I really use General tires. Yeah, absolutely, we use 649 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: General tires all the time. As a matter of fact, 650 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: we just put a set of four General tires on 651 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: Tom's Tom raised fourd Escape and he loves him. He's 652 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: having a great time with him. He's getting around in 653 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: the snow, or he's anticipating getting around in the snow. 654 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: And good traction, and um, he knows that it's a 655 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: good tire in General Tire. More information there at General 656 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: Tire dot Com. I like them. I've got them on 657 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: the Ford Ranger. They're wearing well. They they seem to 658 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: be a tire that takes on their own personality depending 659 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: upon the load, depending upon how I'm using them, And um, 660 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm very happy with him. Tom. Hey, they're already working 661 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: really well on wet grass and mud. So it's you know, 662 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: Tom goes out. Tom correct me if I'm wrong. You're 663 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: out in the fields and the transmitter sites, UM, servicing 664 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: radio stations and sometimes in the middle of nowhere. I'm 665 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: up on top of mountains, UM, in swamps, the whole bit. 666 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: And and this one I had this week, you know, 667 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: the grass was wet. It wasn't really swampy, but there 668 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: was muddon areas, and I just this is the first 669 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: time with that car with the tires on it. I've 670 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: just never had a concern about g AM. I gonna 671 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: get out of here, and and then when you're back 672 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: out on the highwa they're nice and quiet and they 673 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: give you a good wit road tracks. I've been able 674 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: to turn the radio down. There you go General Tire 675 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: dot Com. And then the last Cohler wants to know 676 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: we've made a comment before about wiper blades. Yeah, I 677 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: like Bosch icons. Bosch icons are a great wiper blade 678 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: all right. Um, if you're looking for the best, I 679 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: think it's an icon. Um. They they I'll be honest. 680 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: They're a little expensive, okay from a price point, but 681 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: they last longer. So when you weigh out how much 682 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: longer they seem they last, you know, the price goes 683 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: down there there there. They don't seem to be that 684 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: expensive anymore. So, you know, Bosch icons. You can find 685 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: more information about Bosh wiper blades, as well as the 686 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: entire line of Bosch Auto Parts at Bosch Auto Parts 687 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: dot Com. I believe that's the website Bosch auto parts 688 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: dot com if we use Bosch product in the shop 689 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: all day long. Hey, I'm looking up, I gotta go. 690 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: I can hear the music. I'm on an any in 691 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: the car Doctor reminding you once again good mechanics aren't expensive, 692 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: They're priceless. See