WEBVTT - Episode 64: Spider-Man

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Narrative cent Time. Your host, if you wide

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<v Speaker 1>away and sitting across from me at some points is

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<v Speaker 1>your other host, Danny Fernandez. I'm good. If I'm good,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great, I'm grand, and I'm wonderful. All of those

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<v Speaker 1>things are. We're talking about something really cool and it

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<v Speaker 1>was very cool area and the zeit geist right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as soon everybody will be watching a movie

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<v Speaker 1>featuring this fella. They're gonna be watching it today, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>when this episode drops. It's very true. Yeah, perfect time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like we set this up in our schedule

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<v Speaker 1>today we're talking about Spider Man. No, I thought I confused.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were talking about pretty little lives. I

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<v Speaker 1>have thought that that was what we were doing. So

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<v Speaker 1>weird joined by you remember him from the Punisher episode.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a host on Collider Heroes and also Comic

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<v Speaker 1>book Shopping. It's Coy Jon Drowsy, Spider Man's my boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like your Spider Man shirt. This was just

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<v Speaker 1>a coin. I'm always ready and your Spider Man okay,

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<v Speaker 1>head like and it's double sided. Yeah, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo I'm getting right here. It's around the bend. Once

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<v Speaker 1>a network allows me to have a forearmed tattoo. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting that back. I feel like you could do that

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<v Speaker 1>at Collider. Yeah. Well I'm worried about one siment, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the next place. So that was cool

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, but I mean I had to network.

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<v Speaker 1>I had these dbz ones at the Aladdin premiere when

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<v Speaker 1>I was hosting, didn't they weren't covered? That's true, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Yeah, it's so like, this is such an

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive spot and that's where I'm going to it and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be like, what a posting. I'm so serious. This

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<v Speaker 1>is forever like dead. I think the only thing would

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<v Speaker 1>be like if you went over to if you were

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<v Speaker 1>hosting at d C. That's although Chris McKay, who I'm

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<v Speaker 1>friends with, he has a Captain America big tattoo on

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<v Speaker 1>his forearm. He has the shield and he directed Lego Batman.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're more accepting society. So I think he's you're allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're you grow up a nerd, You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by both. Yeah, you want to brand yourself. You

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<v Speaker 1>should be allowed to freedom and branding, So go for it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's it's a real already pick

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<v Speaker 1>the artist. I've already got decisions made. It's just making

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<v Speaker 1>the commitment, commitment. It's real intense, it's forever. Yeah. But

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man is actually tied to Punisher, so I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was perfect that came on because he punish your

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<v Speaker 1>debut in the pages of Spiderman. Oh yes, yeah, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh. We're bringing it back, going backwards. It's retroactively

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<v Speaker 1>relevant to my guessing. So we have been starting our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with what people are geeking out about? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you seeking out about this week? So this is shameless

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a bit of a bias considering the subject matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But your Boy saw Far from Home, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>speaking out about it since the moment it started playing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the moment the credits rolled, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved if they just pressed play again. Uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it after flying internationally and I still had my suitcases.

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<v Speaker 1>We were running so behind. I brought my stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very hard like thing to be excited while

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<v Speaker 1>that jet lagged, and it was that good that I was.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also have a Spider Man suitcase because shamelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>so I brought my Spidy suitcase to the screening in

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<v Speaker 1>London of Spiderman and I was in love from the

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<v Speaker 1>jump to the end, and uh, I haven't stopped thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And it's if you guys are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this on Tuesday, I hope you've either already seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna do spoilers, but I hope you've either

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<v Speaker 1>already seen it already have your tickets, because it is

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<v Speaker 1>shockingly important to see it without knowing anything. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing I want to know is is there

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<v Speaker 1>post credits? Yes? Okay, well that should we say, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, after in game, maybe they're like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>done with this, We've changed, We're done with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>will I will even say not only are there two

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<v Speaker 1>post credits, but between the two, and I won't say

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<v Speaker 1>which one one of them is my personal favorite, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. I don't know it all right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all we'll say. Somebody I know, I know somebody's like

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<v Speaker 1>fingers digging into right now because there's people was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just too close. Yeah, like some people like that spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>What's his favorite? What would he love? What are you

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<v Speaker 1>geeking out about today? I'm I'm seeking out about I

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<v Speaker 1>was sent to this book. Yeah, I have a book.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a book. It was written by Sarah Fader

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<v Speaker 1>and her son Ari. It's about well Sarah is. She's

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of a mental health nonprofit organization called Stigma Fighters,

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<v Speaker 1>and her and her son wrote this book called Nobody,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's essentially about when you feel like nobody. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's really cute and it has illustrations in it and

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<v Speaker 1>a nobody dog and it talks about being a somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>So I highly recommend it, and also all the work

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<v Speaker 1>that she's done in the mental health community. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm geeking out about super dope. Um, I mean, since

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<v Speaker 1>we're all shamelessly plugging, I'm getting out about the new

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<v Speaker 1>Corsair Night Sword r GB mouse. They sent it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's their newest mouse. It's kind of similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>M sixty five, where it has weights that you can

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<v Speaker 1>adjust the weight to it. I'm a light boy, so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't add any of the weights. But it's bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's good for bigger hands. But it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>has that same kind of IN sixty five kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fat or FPS shaped to it, but you can add

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<v Speaker 1>six different variable weights to it. And uh yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been getting collaps online with it if you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to check it out, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy it. We'll have my special Corsair link in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the footnotes for you to click and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go ahead and use that link if you need

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<v Speaker 1>a new headphones, keyboards, mice. Just you know, I get

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<v Speaker 1>a little kick back, of course, but also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a fan of the brand. Like I I

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<v Speaker 1>begged Corsair to sponsor me, not the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how much I love the sales. So it's been vetted. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been vetted, because that's all how I always want

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything sponsored for Like, I'd much rather go

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<v Speaker 1>after the company and be like that's because I like

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, versus being like, hey, we're gonna pay

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<v Speaker 1>you and say you like it yeah, because it's really

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<v Speaker 1>like you can feel that insecure, especially if you don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>really know the product. I always think like Box Lunch clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>do you gut you guys know Box Lunch? Yeah, Box

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<v Speaker 1>Lunch donates ten dollars out of every fifty to feeding

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<v Speaker 1>local homeless, So it's helping people in our community, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's helping the homeless directly, and it's awesome branded merch.

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<v Speaker 1>So like when I want to buy a Deadpool or

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man shut, I go there and so of just

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<v Speaker 1>generally buying clothes and I'll pend, I'll spend a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more. But I know it's directly helping not just

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<v Speaker 1>the community but my community. And I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really good way to spend branded content because we're already

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<v Speaker 1>selling out to the point where, like I'm talking about tattoo,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather sell out for a good cost. Yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>while we got you here, te public dot com slash,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this, this will just be the shill hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you are already here. I imagine that you

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<v Speaker 1>have your laptop open. You're like, oh, it's summer, the

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<v Speaker 1>steam summer sales going on. Why why not just buy

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<v Speaker 1>some other stone? Yeah? But yeah, yeah, that's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're nerding out about. And now it's time to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Spider Man, the spiner Man. Mr Peter Radio. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you spiner Man Narrow? We did an episode on that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>just the animated series, right, we know we didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we did an episode. Not we did an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Miles Morales. Yeah. Um, so you do you have

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<v Speaker 1>the original Spider Man comic. So I'm thirty eight no.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty six issues from every Spiderman ever in print, so

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<v Speaker 1>every run, every title, every cover, every annual, every mini series.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so I have sixteen thousand, five hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two Just Spidy books. Um, yeah, I got a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're all a Excel spreadsheets, so I know the

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<v Speaker 1>exact number. I've got thirty seven long boxes of Just Spidy.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep them in a vault, bagged, boarded and in a

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<v Speaker 1>long box which is sealed, and then thirty back East.

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<v Speaker 1>They're safely in a in a in my parents. My

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<v Speaker 1>parents moved from Boston, which is like living a Cape

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<v Speaker 1>cod to Georgia, where you get a little more room,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't let me have a full walk in

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<v Speaker 1>closet for my comics because they're the best. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>effectively at a vault. So they're like on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the country in a walk in closet sealed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're pretty much in a vault for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh I I read the new ones and then every

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<v Speaker 1>hundred issues, I fly a short box back and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a whole system. But I pick up Mood New

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<v Speaker 1>books every Wednesday and everything that's not Spidy x Men

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<v Speaker 1>or Deadpool, I buy digitally because I amount of space,

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<v Speaker 1>So Spidy x Men and Deadpool I buy the physical

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<v Speaker 1>hard copies and then I buy digital of the other

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<v Speaker 1>hundred two books. Issue I read a week. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>like numbers guys, I know, we we if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>on the Punisher episode when Coy was just dropping issue numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny because I feel like that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to say it's quote unquote dead but like that

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<v Speaker 1>used to be associated to nerd them is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with comic book guys, like in Radioactive Man numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I feel like there isn't that like

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<v Speaker 1>number of clockage anymore, almost because I feel like too

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<v Speaker 1>many people were using it for evil, you know where

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<v Speaker 1>they you know where they would be like, oh you

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<v Speaker 1>you like, I see you wearing a Spiderman shirt? Tuts,

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me who did he fight in issue one thirteen?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Okay, honey, which is Harry Jane debut in

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<v Speaker 1>because she's got two issues in her face is hidden?

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<v Speaker 1>When did you say the iconic line say, but so

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<v Speaker 1>it's Spider Man. Is very funny out of all the superheroes, because, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to ask you if you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even remember when you were first introduced to him, because

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<v Speaker 1>like it could have been on the side of an

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream truck. Like spider Man is the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel hero, So do you have any recollection when you

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<v Speaker 1>were introduced to him? Todd McFarlane, Spiderman Number two. I

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<v Speaker 1>received my third birthday and I learned to read with Spiderman,

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<v Speaker 1>so my very first like I learned with a comic

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<v Speaker 1>book because there was already drawings and stuff and I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get context clues. And this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>from that same run. So I'm wearing a shirt representing

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<v Speaker 1>that actually learning to read. Um and we my parents

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<v Speaker 1>were into comics. My dad was into comics. My mom

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<v Speaker 1>was into like the superhero world. She like loved what

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<v Speaker 1>it represented. So my parents were super encouraging the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>And my dad had a full run of Claremont Burns

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<v Speaker 1>Uncanny X Men, which she gave me like years later,

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<v Speaker 1>which got me into X Men. But Spidey was that

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<v Speaker 1>like approachable everyone can read it. Ironically, Torment is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few titles that isn't for kids, so I

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<v Speaker 1>read I read this like lizard ripping kids apart book

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<v Speaker 1>to learn to read, and it's like Spider Man Safe

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<v Speaker 1>except for this run. Uh. So I learned to read

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<v Speaker 1>a Spiderman back when he was in the dark and

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<v Speaker 1>gritty phase. And then as I grew up, the Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man animated series came on and I was the kid

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<v Speaker 1>with the VCR where I broke two because I had

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<v Speaker 1>stopped for the commercials and hit record and I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>playing with the thing. Uh. And then later later on

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<v Speaker 1>they released m in those clamshells. Those are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that smelled great. Uh, And I bought a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>those because I was like breaking VCRs. So since I

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<v Speaker 1>could acknowledge television, acknowledge reading or any of that, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been reading. And then once they had him on CD ROM,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been reading the back issues I couldn't have. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have this weird o c D where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>read an issue until I own it. So if it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a five issue that I'm saving up four, once

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<v Speaker 1>I own it, then I'll download the digital and read it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I haven't. I don't let myself touch untill I

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<v Speaker 1>own it, but I won't open the old copies That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I was gonna follow up with. So you

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<v Speaker 1>buy the old copies with no intention to actually cracking

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<v Speaker 1>them open and reading it. If it proceeds in my birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>don't touch it. Actually, I want to stop to bring

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<v Speaker 1>something up to you because I know it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>physically hurt you. Um, will you, for the audience, tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what issue Deadpool first appeared in. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>a show for E three called pre Pre Show where

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<v Speaker 1>our host John Carnage pulled out new mutants and he

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<v Speaker 1>put it on a fishing line on top of this

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<v Speaker 1>like weird goopy soup, and he the guest, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a developer, had to if he would if he guessed

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<v Speaker 1>everything right, he would win the copy. If he guessed

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<v Speaker 1>it wrong, the copy would fall into that goopy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And his last name is Carnage is period And they

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<v Speaker 1>did not get it right, and I went. I witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>it dip into a goop the juice and then get

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<v Speaker 1>thrown into a blinter and I was like shocked, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a part of me that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, this is probably fake. And then it was

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<v Speaker 1>like cut and he was like, oh no, I own

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<v Speaker 1>that copy. Audience that you can't see it that I've

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<v Speaker 1>been writhing my hands on the chair and it was

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<v Speaker 1>experience so funny, and I was like, then I know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. I was like, you bought that. When you

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<v Speaker 1>bought it, like when it came out. I was like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like that's the thing is like if

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<v Speaker 1>you buy it, like, if you buy that copy, it's

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna be worth even like if I buy like

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<v Speaker 1>if I bought like Spider Man number one when it

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<v Speaker 1>came out, even years from now, when people like that's

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<v Speaker 1>worth a million dollars, it just will never be It's

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<v Speaker 1>still gonna be worth But yeah, to you, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>so when you're like, what's a crazy bit, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>like even though you know it's so insane, You're like

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I don't have that so I can have

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<v Speaker 1>the fun of that. But yeah, um, after we record,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll show you the clip and you can see me if.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so uncomfortable because like I was like, because

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<v Speaker 1>you could you, I mean, you know when it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>But part of me and my brain I was like, not,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be a fake. It's like yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, no, it's the original. I was like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I don't know. My friend has a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of the Magic the Gathering Letter worth like fifty dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>like um, yeah, and so he definitely takes those really

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<v Speaker 1>seriously and he's like holding onto it. I think now

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<v Speaker 1>that they announced the Magic Show and he thinks it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go even more up. So well, I just

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<v Speaker 1>got amazing Spiderman number sixties six, which is an iconic

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<v Speaker 1>mysterio cover, and I got it just happened to find

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<v Speaker 1>it in time for the movie. So it is this

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<v Speaker 1>really cool like kist that I need. So a few

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<v Speaker 1>comments and one appeared in my life right before. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also going to go up in value after the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also just happened to be in my life

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the movie. So it's cool because

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<v Speaker 1>I'll remember. It's cool when you have an emotional attachment

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<v Speaker 1>to an issue that you remember later, like I always

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<v Speaker 1>remember right as the movie came out, I got this

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<v Speaker 1>issue with a cover and right and that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>like about buying print copies, Like you don't remember where

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<v Speaker 1>you got your digital copy. You don't remember, like what

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<v Speaker 1>when you hold a book, it feels so much more

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<v Speaker 1>importantly special, and I'll have something to either like loom

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<v Speaker 1>over my kids or put them through college with because

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<v Speaker 1>I won't sell them mom alive. But if they want

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<v Speaker 1>to make that choice as long as I'm dead, that's

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<v Speaker 1>their move. I know there was I have, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really worth much because it's a nineties comic. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineties comics aren't worth it much. Anyone who's going through

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<v Speaker 1>like yard sales, just know there was an era. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we do. I don't know if we talk talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in the punch Trap. Yeah, just they just overprinted,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have the original like Cage Run and it's

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy. And did I bring up this story?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I told this story where like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy in the community college I met who like

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<v Speaker 1>found out that, you know, his wife couldn't have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, well, I planned on giving this

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<v Speaker 1>to my kid, uh and and he was like, so

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give this to you because he found

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<v Speaker 1>out I was a nerd and it was like it's sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think I'd ever get rid of it

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<v Speaker 1>because of that like sentimental thing. And that was like

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<v Speaker 1>the probably the nicest thing a nerd has done for me.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point in my life, you know, everything was

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<v Speaker 1>so just collectors. Anyway, we need to talk about Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We've we've been reminiscing. It's hard not to talk about THEE.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's do what we do, which is the normal

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown that I start off with, which is Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>is a fictional superhero created by writer editor Stanley rest

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<v Speaker 1>in Peace and writer artist Steve Ditko uh rest in

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<v Speaker 1>Peace as well. Uh. He first appeared in the anthology

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<v Speaker 1>comic book Amazing Fantasy number fifteen that dropped in August

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, and the Silver Age of comic books.

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<v Speaker 1>He appeared in American comic books published by Marvel Comics,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a number of movies, television shows, video

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<v Speaker 1>game adaptation set in the Marvel universe, and in these stories,

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man is the alias of Peter Parker most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time, an orphan raised by his aunt May and

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<v Speaker 1>uncle Ben in New York City after his parents, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary Parker were killed in a plane crash. Lee

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<v Speaker 1>and did Go had the character deal with struggles of

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<v Speaker 1>adolescence and financial issues, and accompanied him with many supporting characters,

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<v Speaker 1>such as j Jonah Jamison, Harry Osborne, Max Modell, romantic

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<v Speaker 1>interest is such as Gwinn Stacy and Mary Jane Watson

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and foes such as Dr Octopus, Green Goblin Venom,

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<v Speaker 1>which we will talk too much about because I have

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<v Speaker 1>so many thoughts on you know, it's funny. I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching the animated the Old animated show, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first episode, and Aunt May is like

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<v Speaker 1>hiding bills from him, like past two bills, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why does she hide these from me? And

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<v Speaker 1>he like pulls it. Also, he looks like is he older?

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<v Speaker 1>Like he looks much older in the animated he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's like edged kid. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like Polo Forever. Yeah, he definitely his face looked older.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was so sad because I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember watching this as a kid. Of like,

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<v Speaker 1>my aunt needs help paying the bills and I need

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<v Speaker 1>to help her. I was like, oh my god. With

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<v Speaker 1>some adult themes very much so um. Also, the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>animation is hilarious to me because it's like, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not good. That's why it's beautiful, because it's just you.

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<v Speaker 1>When you think about it, you're you have to look

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<v Speaker 1>up and go, wow, this looks like a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>an old arcade game. They outsourced a lot of animation

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<v Speaker 1>on that show. You can see when they're like, we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't afford this, had to put it out there to

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<v Speaker 1>whoever you can make it for cheap. Uh. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>COI talk us through this first appearance of him and

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<v Speaker 1>what this first run was like. So Spider Man was

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<v Speaker 1>invented by Stanley and Steve Diko because he was a

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<v Speaker 1>character they couldn't get in a book. So Stanley wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make a character that wasn't your traditional superhero. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't someone that was like larger than life and very important.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was arguably, and I would argue, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first, if not the first underdog superhero that achieved

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream status he did. He was invented an Amazing

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy fifteen, which was the last issue of the run.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only would they not let him put him

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<v Speaker 1>in his own title, at first, they were like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's canceled, throwing the book. So it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons Amazing Fantasy fifteen so hard to get is it

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<v Speaker 1>was a low print run because they were ending amazing fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>So they threw this character that everybody was like spiders.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody like spiders. Why would we make a man out

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<v Speaker 1>of a spider? So he was put in this fantasy run. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was then the last issue and they didn't find

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<v Speaker 1>out how popular he was for like four months because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the time of like waiting for receipts in

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<v Speaker 1>print and the mail. So then they got the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>back and it was this huge hit. So he got

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<v Speaker 1>his own title very quickly after they found out the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>An Amazing Spider Man Number one took off like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man has been selling very well, you know, within reason,

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<v Speaker 1>like with with what comics were at the time, from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, and it's one of the reasons that's so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get those older issues is people have loved

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<v Speaker 1>him from the beginning because he represented us. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the rare character from nineteen sixty three that was an

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<v Speaker 1>eyeline for people reading comics. He wasn't large than life,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't brooding. He was a great power meets great

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility foil for the rest of comic books, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was what we all wanted to be in a superhero.

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<v Speaker 1>He still had problems, He's still had his aunt's bills

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<v Speaker 1>to pay, He's still at all those things. So it

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<v Speaker 1>felt the most like everyone picking up these comics, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in the early sixties. So Spider Man was invented as

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<v Speaker 1>a this is the last chance for us to try it.

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<v Speaker 1>It then did really well, and then it gave a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of credibility to Stanley and Steve Dicko do what

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted. And that's why I think he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best rogues galleries and comics, because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred cooks in the kitchen. It was Stanley and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Dicko going like, uh, Doc, Doc, what about the

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<v Speaker 1>Vulture and all these characters that wouldn't actually fit narratively

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of other superheroes. And I'd argue Spiderman

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<v Speaker 1>and Batman have the two best rogues because they had

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<v Speaker 1>the most foundation of trust from the public. Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd also say I feel like one of the main,

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<v Speaker 1>uh biggest and you know, we've I think I've brought

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<v Speaker 1>this up with Miles and I but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>main tent poles to Spider Man's success is and this

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<v Speaker 1>became a line in the movie. Anyone could wear the mask.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone can be behind the mask. You look at Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking. You don't know what he looks like under there,

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<v Speaker 1>you see you see you know Batman's white, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Superman's white. You know, like Spider Man, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>could be behind the mask. So that let any kid

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<v Speaker 1>look at the superhero and put themselves in his shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in action. So and I think that's what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of let Spiderman just kind of soar throughout all generations.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, Miles was just the icing on

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<v Speaker 1>the cake. But at any point in time, people were

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<v Speaker 1>able to look at Spider Man and see themselves. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I like now that the Spider Verse has

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<v Speaker 1>spread so that you have Silk and you have these

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<v Speaker 1>other you know, now you have like female bodies behind

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<v Speaker 1>the mask, so that you know, it kind of serves

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose no matter your gender identity. I think also

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<v Speaker 1>his age, I mean it really set him apart. Was

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<v Speaker 1>like their kids reading these comics and they can relate

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that he's trying to cope with both

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<v Speaker 1>of these worlds of being a kid fitting in and

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<v Speaker 1>all of all of that trauma that comes from high

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<v Speaker 1>cool and while also trying to save the world or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your friendly neighborhood spider me whatever. Um yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh so after that we just tackled the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>So Steve Deco and Stanley ran it for quite some time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then John Remane, a senior, took over and John

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<v Speaker 1>Remador was the artist with with a different style on Spidy.

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<v Speaker 1>He became a little more handsome. They aged him up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. He wasn't quite an adult, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was like you know, Mary Jane's influenced and Gwen Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's going out party in and man, those

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<v Speaker 1>comics when you first meet Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane

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<v Speaker 1>are crazy because they talk so late sixties early seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>like Mary Jane does not speak English for about forty issues.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many like jive turkey yah, the cats

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<v Speaker 1>me out like the face of Tiger you just hit

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<v Speaker 1>the jackpot is iconic because it was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only lines that makes sense in modern for nation. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Jane spoke crazy and I love that because if you

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<v Speaker 1>read these old comics, it's like every party kid was

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<v Speaker 1>reading this book being a yeah that's what tip, yeah daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like what were these kids on? And it

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<v Speaker 1>really translates to the time in a way where Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man went from the nerd that was really good in

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<v Speaker 1>science to meeting a girl. And this was way ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of its time. Gwen Stacy was a scientist and his

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<v Speaker 1>first real, real true love was Gwen Stacy. Now he dated,

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he liked Liz Allen, he liked Betty Brandt. He liked

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<v Speaker 1>these like casual things. But Liz was dating Flash and

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that caused rivalry Flash Thompson, which is a great dynamic.

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Betty Brandt was at the Daily Bugle j Jon and

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Jamison as an icon to Spider Man, there's so much

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man's not not just as rogues gallery, but a

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 1>supporting cast is also insanely iconic. But what Jeonomy Senior

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>did was he brought everything to a different flavor, in

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>different dynamic. He made it even more approachable. Because now

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<v Speaker 1>we've loved Spider Man for forty issues. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>last Dicko issue is thirty three, I think, so. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Senior took over at thirty four, so we've had

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<v Speaker 1>three years with this style, so we've already invested. So

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<v Speaker 1>now when he's like a little more handsome. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more charm. Now. Everyone that's like I'm

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.479
<v Speaker 1>like Spider Man's like I'm a little more handsome. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're starting to identify with like, oh, look

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<v Speaker 1>at the girl he gets, look at the girl. He

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<v Speaker 1>almost gets look at look at me? Struggling to identify

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<v Speaker 1>with this new version of myself. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing about him wearing a mask is he can

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<v Speaker 1>always evolve. And with Mary Jane, it was a cat

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 1>and mouse game of she was the party girl, he

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<v Speaker 1>was the smart guy. And Mary Jane's had a great

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<v Speaker 1>arc and Mary Jane could be in her own movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear like Mary Jane solo, I get grapped for it.

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 1>But I think Mary Jane doesn't get enough credit that

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<v Speaker 1>she matured through Gwen Stacy's death. She was a party

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<v Speaker 1>girl that saw Peter falling apart and completely changed how

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>she reacted to society by way of coping with Peter's loss.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's an incredible arc for a character

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't get enough credit. They killed Gwen Stacy. Jerry Conway,

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>who invented Punisher, keeps coming back. Um. Jerry Conway invented

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<v Speaker 1>uh this narrative where we lost Gwen. Because fun fact,

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and very few people know about this, Jerry Conway was

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<v Speaker 1>originally told to kill aunt May and he said that

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 1>aunt May was the lynchpin that kept Peter grounded, so

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<v Speaker 1>if we killed her would lose everything. It was his

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<v Speaker 1>idea to kill Gwen Stacy. And the death of gwyn

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy was so important. It didn't just change Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it changed comics. Comics were silver Age, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>different size, and the format changed two months later because

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<v Speaker 1>it changed comics forever. So the death of Gwen Stacy

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>changed comics. Uh, and then that changed Mary James dynamic.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to cut you off of rant, yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want you to rant more. How specifically did

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<v Speaker 1>it change in size? Was the Gwen Stacy issue a

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<v Speaker 1>different size or was it so? Up until this point,

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<v Speaker 1>they were referred to as the Silver Age of comics,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Death of Gwen Stacy was issues one two. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Punisher comes around and in between those issues. When you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the comics store, you can buy either silver

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<v Speaker 1>Age bags and boards or modern age bags and boards,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're actually about a quarter inch narrower. Comics today

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>are actually thinner and the impact that run that Jerry

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Conway did actually changed a before and affort for Marvel Comics,

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think then DC followed suit. But within this year,

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Span Comics actually changed format from size because it was

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>so important to the comics. So it's a physical representation.

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 1>And do you know why they decided to make it small.

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I've never gotten I like, don't want to miss quote

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<v Speaker 1>because I've never heard a real reason, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>it happened with Spider Man and with this time period,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think I think everyone else is like, that's

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>not why. But it's like, guys, look, look he did.

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Look over here, We're not dumb. So Gwen Stacy was

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the change, but no one I'll be like, you mean,

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.199
<v Speaker 1>like when Marvel did a post credit scene and then

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden other places where they were going

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>to do it all along and someone here's an example

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>from one movie that didn't like that didn't really count,

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Like in Jurassic Park, you heard the thump of feet

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 1>after so yeah, like that. Yeah, So Gwen Stacy was huge,

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and then Mary Jane obviously came to play, and then

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>he's also had like Black Cat and all these amazing

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>other love interests. So I think another strength of Spider

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Man is that the female characters have always been a

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<v Speaker 1>driving force and not just a supporting like name three

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of Batman's greatest loves, like you got Taliagule, Vicky Vl.

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Like there's not like a run where a Spider Man

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I could name like ten of important Like that was like,

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>did like you didn't leave with Catwoman because I'm gonna

0:25:54.560 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna go daughter of very important And those

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>are the two. I was like, that woman, I'll you

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>went Vicky Vale. And I was like, but That's what

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is like when you list Spiderman loves, you

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 1>can listen like six or seven plus the costumed ones. Yeah,

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 1>because it's it's really important to his dynamic. And I

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>think that also makes a more approachable character, because I

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>think women can see Spider Man way more approachably than

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>than certain others, Like Superman to me has always been

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>just out of reach. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Batman is kind of womanizing, yeah, like it's part of

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 1>his character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. There's like a

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>difference in how both characters kind of court their love interest,

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>where Batman is like I'm rich well yeah, I mean,

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.719
<v Speaker 1>but also both of their families died, but one family

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of money. Yeah, and now it's a

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>cover to women like Bruce kind of a dick. Yeah.

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>So one thing I want to because I know we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to go deeper in Spider Man, but

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>you brought up a good point of Mary Jane. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to tell the listeners about that Mary Jane

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>run that they had? Remember it was like, is it

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>like Peter Loves Mary Jane or the Mayor? Well, it's beautiful. Yeah,

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>the Mary Jane solo run. So Mary Jane had a

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>great run that was like a like a soap opera.

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>It was like this really great teen heartthrow book from

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>her perspective. And there's been a few, like different arcs,

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>but that's definitely a strong one to say with this

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>manga style on, and she's very go getter and she's

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>very self starting, and you see that she's strong because

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of what she went through. She also lived with her aunt,

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>her aunt Hannah if you remember from the animated series,

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.199
<v Speaker 1>so she also had an abusive father. She went through

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff, and that that run really illustrates like

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>how strong Mary Jane can be. And there's also a

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>great run by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale called Spiderman Blue,

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and it shows the love triangle between Gwyn and Mary

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and how much earlier she liked Peter and how she

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.880
<v Speaker 1>was dealing with him him being with Gwen, and it's

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>this really fifties classic, almost watercolor style art. So Mary

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Jane when she gets the chance to be in comics

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 1>always has like every creator is like, let me do

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the Mary Jane book. And then more recently in comics,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>she became the assistant to Tony Stark, so she became

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a pepper Pots Cave character and was running Stark Industries.

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So Mary Jane's a boss. She's like a runway model

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>by night, like an entrepreneur by day. And uh, I

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>think Zindaa's playing her is pretty great. I love it.

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>It's so great. And I love that she's been clapping

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>back at people online that red haired eyes such a

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>universal like that's right, yeah, oh man. So, um, you know,

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 1>we do have to take a break, but you know

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go into more Spider Man. We're gonna pause

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the Mary Jane talk and probably come back to it.

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>When we talked to a moment in time and uh,

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>all of that, but you know, listen to these messages

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and we'll be right back. Welcome back to Nerdificent as

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>always is your boy if you widy way across from me,

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Danny Fernandez and our dope guest koy Gen Drew, how

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you doing doing great? Man? Keeping out about Spidy is

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the spice of life. I love that you're also you

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and Hector are both you are competing Spider Man encyclopedic knowledge.

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>It's I met Hector and we both had this like

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that like not like the Tyler dirt and not it

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>can be only one, but he always comes on. When

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>he's on, he says the same thing kind of that

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>if he was saying is for why he gravitated towards

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man because he's brown and he was like I,

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it was the one character that I could pretend that

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I was, um so yeah. But a lot of spiderheads,

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>well what's interesting is is uh, I mean spoiler alert Internet,

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm a white guy. But if you've never seen me.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>But what I always found interesting about Spiderman is I

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>look more like Flash Thompson. Uh, and I and I

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>love Peter Parker, like my nest is very actually, uh,

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>this is probably India long Enough actually went out for

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Flash in the Andrew Garfield version, Like I am a

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Flash type. So it's always been interesting that I registered

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>with Spider Man so much because I've always felt way

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>more like him than anyone else in the space and

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's such a different type of But now Flash

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is brown. But now Tony, it is so interesting so

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>many because now because I because I don't know if

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it was the episode you're on, but I auditioned for

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Cyborg and so it's like now people can fan fancasting

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>what would look like if Coy was Flash. Dude, me

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and Tony actually brought out at this Cherry event. We

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>were both like, Yo, what would your Flash do in

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>this situation? What would your Flash do? And we had

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like a what off what if off? And it was

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the most amazingly geeky thing. I remember, like, Yo, I

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>think I'd handled this this way if I was the Flash. Yeah,

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean speak before we jump back in the Spider Man.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 1>When that new Netflix show what If, I got excited

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>for a second that they were going to do like

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Marvel what ifs. That is like a show that I

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>will to doom do Doom break, but they are on

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Disney Plus. Disney Plus. It's gonna be on Disney Plus. Okay,

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it's coming animated, text my manager. The first one is

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>of Peggy Carter wheelded the shield instead a cap. Yeah,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be crazy. That's gonna be What if? It

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>was such a fun concept and I I think they're

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>going to do the cool stuff first, but I can't

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>wait till it gets to like the goofy stuff. Yeah,

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>what if Deadpool had got hit with a Gamma ray?

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, Deadpool wielding and stuff running around before

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>we hop into the animated series, which was a huge thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some key points in the comics that people

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>should I know. We could talk about the comics for

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>four hours, literally as long as the Internet on. I

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>could talk about Spider Man, but I mean, like, what

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.239
<v Speaker 1>are some key points that people need to know that

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>happened to him in the comics. Okay, so this is

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>actually crazy, guys. I I was unavailable and then suddenly

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>was able to join this and I want to let

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the Internet know that I have a note in my

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>phone un prepped tend to finding Spiderman arcs because I

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>lived this life. So let the record show. This was

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>just in case. I'm what I did. We did as

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>COI I hit coy up at the last minute. I

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>think today did I have you today? I asked you

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>this morning to come on this podcast. Um, and I

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>love that you already had notes prepared just in case

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>someone asked you to be on a podcast about Spider Man,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>because people ask me on the street all the time.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>So I literally this note was written June. I say,

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<v Speaker 1>tend to finding moments and arcs. Amazing Spider Man thirty

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>three is the moment that they may earn. A lot

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of the art is the him lifting up the building,

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's and it's him showing that like strength doesn't

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>get you everywhere, it's will power. It's it's the will

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep going. That's such a Spider Man moment. Amazing

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>spider Man one two, the death of Gen Stacy, as

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, changed comics forever. Amazing to forty eight is

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>uh the kid who collects Spider Man. It is a

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>single issue that will break your heart ten ways from Sunday.

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It is about a boy who's basically a Make a

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Wish kid that Spider Man goes to visit and shares

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>his last day with him going on adventures before he passes,

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's powerful any and spoiler alert. Unmasks in front

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of the kid and like, let's him know he's Peter

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Parker and that he's there with him, and it's it's

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>truly the heart of what Spider Man is and it's

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>it's so incredible. Craven's Last Hunt is one of my

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite mini series. Craven's Last Hunt is brutal and dark

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and shows the other side of Spider Man. Amazing two

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty two is when the Black Costume comes to the mainstream.

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>The black costume that will become them, which I'm sure

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>we'll dive into, was introduced in Secre Wars number eight,

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>but then translated into the mainstream in to fifty two.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Amazing Spider Man Volume two, number thirty to thirty seven

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>is the first uh Spider Man going back to school

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>as a teacher. It's this really great run where you

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>see Peter as like the leader as an adult, still

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>not Tony Stark, which struve me not when Dan Slot

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>did that, but that's another conversation, but him as an adult.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>It's Strazynski run, which is about the Spider Totem, which

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>lays the groundwork way back into thousand one for the

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Spider Verse, which is the movie you see now. So

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years of round work two thousand and one and

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing, uh Spider Man did to reflect the

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>horrible thing that happened to thousand one was when the

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Twin Towers went down. Instead of just publishing as normal,

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>they interrupted their run and did an entire issue about

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>villains and heroes teaming up to clean up New York City,

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and they show the Towers going down. So Spiderman is

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>one of the few heroes that addressed the terrorist attacks

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.239
<v Speaker 1>head on. And it's a really beautiful issue, and it's

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>an all black cover. It's it's really special and that's

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>his city. Yeah, and that's that's He's such a part

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Spider Man is such a part of New

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>York and vice versa that I love that they like

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>use Spider Man to be like, hey, we won't stand

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>for this. So that's issue thirty six. Within that run

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Spider Man, any of them, but especially one through thirteen,

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>they did a hunter than thirty three issues. That's the

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.479
<v Speaker 1>longest run between a creator, the writer and an artist

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:15.240
<v Speaker 1>of all time, the longest colab between Mark Bagley and Vendice.

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>They have the record now and anything in that run

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>is great. Um, amazing. Spider Man five forty three is

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>great and to nine and two thirty is him against

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the Juggernaut. H nothing can stop the Juggernaut is a

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>fantastic run. So those are my top ten. I think

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>definding moments and just in my phone Lee the nerdiest

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>moment I've gotten to be Like, Yo, got this note? Well,

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>met gave everyone everything they needed. Also, I just wrote

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 1>down the numbers and the rest are from memory. So

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>if I forgot your name at a party, it's because

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I've stored this in my head joke. Uh. So I

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>think those are good places to jump on. And actually, um,

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>this is Tuesday, I can say we had Jake Jillen

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Hall on my show Comic Book Shopping, and we go

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>over some of my favorite runs of Spider Man. So

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>there's actually a bunch of breakdowns of some those titles

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>and why I think they're important to the mythos. Uh.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's cool to hear Jake's perspective on Spider Man

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>because he's mysterio. Also interesting because it has to do

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>with like an alternate universe, and Jake Joan Hall was

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>in a movie that dealt with an alternate universe in

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Donnie Darko. That's right, an alternate universe, wasn't Spider Man. Yeah,

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>so there you go. There is spiderse Well six degrees

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>zero degrees, zero degrees, and Jake joe On Hall did

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>a Netflix original movie called Velvet Bus Saw and John

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Burnhal is Netflix zero degrees, zero degrees, zero degrees, we

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>did it. So talking about the animated series, yeah, so

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>it looks like that during a while the X Men

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>animated series was being produced by Sabon, Spiderman was actually

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>being produced by newly formed Marvel Films Animation, and it

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>was the only series that had in house studio production,

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>but it was animated by the TMS Kikuchi Corporation and

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Coco Enterprises. So so like that it seems like they

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>were developing it in house like animation while they're like,

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, i'll do it, we'll start out later. And

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>then also Animal Sam Uh Sam Juan and Soul Movie

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>did additional animation for the series, although they were uncredited,

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 1>so that to me it sounds like too many animations.

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Not the best side uncredited animation yeah. Yeah. It ran

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>from ninety four on Fox Kids Network and then later

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>on Tune Disney. Oh my god, Tone Disney Disney, Yes, Bunkers,

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>yeah uh in Disney XD, which now has the Spider

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Verse essentially as Miles, Moralice and Spider Gwen and and

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>all have had their benefits, Like all the shows have

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>had their strengths and weaknesses. I think Spidy has been

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>a more consistent animated character. What was great too, we

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I think we talked about this when we did the

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>X Man Animated series episode. I think that's the one

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>we did. Um is how the animated shows were pretty

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>true to the comics. Get like even just with the

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Venom arc with more bus all, like, it really brought

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in these characters in a that really honored like the page.

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>There was a multiverse like back then whatever, there was

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a multiverse where we met other Peter Parker's another Spider Man,

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>so you know, into the Spider Verse taught kids quantum theory,

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>which is crazy, but that taught the multiverse concepts way

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>back in the nineties. So Spider Man has always been

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>weirdly ahead of the curve by like hey guys, children,

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 1>trust me, you'll like this storyline and then it gets weird. Well,

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was just a lot of animated

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>shows in the nineties where they're like, look, we know

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>your kids, but we also know you can handle this. Yeah,

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and we know you'll appreciate this adult watching with your children.

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Ye yeah, yeah, I I remember watching, uh that that

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>show for so long. And hankas Area, uh the Simpsons

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Thespian is actually venom, which blew my mind. Mind well,

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>and Mark Hamill is Hobgoblin. Didn't know that, and Ed

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Asner is in it, he plays J. J. James. Yeah,

0:37:55.480 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. Yeah, that's that's wild. Another iconic jone. Uh,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 1>because J K. Simmons in the sam Rami Spider Man

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>is like such a such a bar like the same

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Rami Spider Man's. I like the same Ramy Spiderman's But

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 1>I think I I am in the minority that I

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>don't rewatch them often their piece of the time. But

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I the new ones are really where the Spider Man

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is in my heart. Like I love how much people

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>love the same Ramy ones. But to me, Toby was

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>never fully Spider Man, and I think Tom Holland is

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>fully freaking Spider Man. When I met him for press,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm not talking to a human, I'm

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.439
<v Speaker 1>talking to a Spider Man and three D and that's

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that's that goes against all of my like l a

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>instinct Where'm like separate the actor from the role. And

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no no, Spiderman's over there. Did you

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>see that clip of him with Tom Hanks? And it

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>was so funny that he was like having a Yeah,

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and he when he acts, he's an accent as American

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, hey, by the way, did you forget

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>you're from London? Bro? Yeah? It was so funny. But

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>he's so used to having to act like an American

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>high school acting hat. He's like how do I? And

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like Tom Holland. I think all three

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:01.800
<v Speaker 1>of the live action, the mainstream live action Spiderman have

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>their strengths, but Tom Holland flips into frame like Tom

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Holland has been training for this since he was born,

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>and I just it's him through and through. And I

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>think Andrew Garfield was was a really underappreciated, like he

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>never got good right. Had we gotten the right movies

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>for Andrew, it would have been a different story. Yeah.

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 1>He also didn't have the same because Tom Holland has

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the advantage of being behind like he got to be

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>in Civil War. He got to have like all this

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>entire cast behind him of like Iron Man, Captain America,

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like everything leading up to this, whereas the other Spider

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Man's didn't. Yeah, I feel like what really kind of

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>like Andrew Garfield really did have the middle child syndrome

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>because everything he did was compared to Toby, and Toby

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>had that great kind of like locked in first two

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>movies that everyone loved. Everyone look read I personally really

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 1>loved one. I need to go back and watch two

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 1>because I remember not enjoying it and everyone's like, that's

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the best one. And I was like, I don't know,

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>like for some reason, and I think I was really

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 1>caught up on him revealing himself as Spider Man and

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Mary Jane like, for me, like the best Spider Man

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.959
<v Speaker 1>story is when she doesn't know. And I think, like,

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>because this came out when we were like teenagers, so

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like that sounds like a dumb teenager thing to be

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Like he told Mary Jane, this sucks not fully missing

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that there, that's a huge chunk of Spider Man. No, No,

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. I didn't like. I love the

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.479
<v Speaker 1>iconography of the scene with the train, but I'm also

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like y like whenever he's like carrying him like Jesus down,

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I get it. And then the visual medium but like,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but remember there's that like no one's gonna tell yeah,

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>like you're not gonna find like you might find good

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>New Yorkers. I love New Yorkers, but you're not going

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to find a hundred good news who's not going to

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>reveal Spider Man at j Jonah Jameson who you know

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>has like a full hundred thousand dollars on the identity

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.919
<v Speaker 1>on Spider Man's idea if you're taking public transit mid

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>day and you're stuck and you're mad, you're gonna profit.

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, You're like, I'm gonna make some money. So

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that bothered me a bit still this day when I

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>think of that image and he's like making fart face,

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>bro your mask. You know, everyone took out their razor

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>phones and like, what's this eight bit image? No, Kia

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 1>egg I would love it if that's the justification. They're

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like they're like white male between the ages of sixteen

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and sixty, brown hair in New York great Back to

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the d be anyone from Toby Maguire to Jack Jillenhall

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 1>or the other white actors playing. Yeah, I guess you know,

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this is a good time to pivot into a discussion

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.959
<v Speaker 1>about the movies, because you know, the animated series was great.

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>We kind of, I feel like, touched on it on

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the most so it's so accurate, Like I feel like

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it's really tricky to dive into because the only thing

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 1>it did wrong was it was a product of censorship.

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 1>So if you watch them, they punish or doesn't use

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>guns us as a laser gun. Well, that's one thing

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I was noticing is they only use realistic guns in flashbacks,

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>which I'm like, what is the rule on that? Like

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>if in that past it's a lot like what some

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>sensors like, as long as the present day is environment,

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>it might get the wrong idea. The only thing that

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like, Yeah, so we were right. It was

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>set in his college years at Empire State University, and

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish that it was I like his

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>high school run and I think that's why Tom Holland

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>speaks he's the Harry Potter run. Like we're getting that

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>growth into spider Yeah, whereas Ad Puberty. Yeah. And I

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like the animated series he was awkward, but he

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>was not quite there. And I wanted there to be

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a time in the live action films where Toby lived there.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like when we met him in the

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>first movie, everyone was already like CW high school, not

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>real high school, and that was a struggle. So I

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like the animated series is damn near perfect. So

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to really touch on because it covered the

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Clones saga, covered multiverses, It covered villains that we've never

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>seen translated to film. It covered so much of what

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>makes Spider Man tick, and it ran long enough that

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>we actually got to appreciate. I think it was like

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>six years. It was four years. Four years, okay, Yeah.

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, it felt like for uh yeah,

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So let's hop into the film. So we had the

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.280
<v Speaker 1>first one with, like you said, with Toby maguire. Also,

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>before we get into Toby, we should talk about the

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>James Cameron almost Spiderman movie. Do you guys have any

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of that? James Cameron was making a Spider Man movie. Uh,

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be a James Cameron Spiderman with

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Schwartzenegger as Otto Actavius and then you're going to

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>say Peter Parker with grand Power, but no, I love that.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 1>There was almost that movie, and he was like, I think,

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>fresh off true Lies, who was going to be Peter Parker?

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I remember would have been back then like Leo Leonardo DiCaprio.

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.720
<v Speaker 1>That was the parody I remember. Okay, so the word parody,

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what it meant. So Wizard Magazine, do

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>you guys remember Wizard magazine. Wizard Magazine was like entertainment

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>weekly for nerds. It was like what the public, It's

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>got a trade Uh, it's got news in the back

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 1>it as a price guide, and Wizard ran a full

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 1>page ad that in the small tiny print said parody

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>underneath all the billing, but it was this painted image

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of of Leo as Spiderman. It's a James Camp Presents.

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>So for like three months, I was like, I know

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>a secret, they're making a Spider Man movie. And it

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>was until I showed my dad and he's like, oh,

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm so parody means it's it's a spoof. And it

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>broke my heart and I'll never forgive, Like I'm still

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>upset about it, like to this day, did you not

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>read Mad Magazine? I didn't. It was in a print

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>magazine that wasn't usually jokes like Mad Magazine, Wizard like

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the news. I feel like if Time like

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>it was time for me as a kid, Like if

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Time Magazine is like yo, Leo Spider Man, You're like,

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, Leo Spider Man. So it broke my heart.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>But back then I think they had like a Michael J.

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Fox type or something. Um. But Arnold was going to

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 1>be Auto and it was this crazy thing where like

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Auto and Spidy were both bit by the Spider. It's

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 1>written where there's like this crazy drug trip and he

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>like wakes up and like gets It's one of the

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>craziest scripts every and you can find it online. You

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>can google it. So before Toby was Spider Man, you

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>should read about Auto and he says Ultra woos a

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>lot and okey dokey ten times. You know it would

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 1>be funny is if if Tom Holland has gets to

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 1>see himself in the future and it's current Daily Arto DiCaprio,

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll like it happened. The parody is real, that's what. Oh,

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like into the Spider Verse when you set anyways,

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Toby McGuire. Um, uh, yeah, So Spider Man had a trilogy,

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the Sam Raimi ones that were starring Toby McGuire. The

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>first one came out May third, two thousand and two.

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It was a big deal summer movie like we have now.

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And also I just want to remind people that were

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure getting a trilogy like whenever I said

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that during Infinity War when Tom Holland disappeared, and I'm like,

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:45.399
<v Speaker 1>he has a trilogy contract. Everybody, It's okay, he's coming back.

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>He spoiler alert, spoiler home and then it's going to

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>be as another Home related one. But anyways, that's what

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>happens in the movies. They get these trilogy contracts. Anyways,

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two, did you see it in the theaters?

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>It was the movie at the time I had seen

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>most in theaters. Um. I was a wee lad of fourteen. Uh,

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and I man, I love that movie. I had just

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>gotten a job, I think very recently, as like a

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>paper boy or something something like kids can do. And

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I spent so much money going back and seeing Spiderman

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>over and over again. And I loved Norman Osborne. I

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>thought that, like, that's how I discovered William to Foe,

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how I discovered like that type of filmmaking. Dude,

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the moment they're having the Thanksgiving scene, Uh, I've I've

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to this day, I think that's one of the only

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 1>movies that should be conduted with a Thanksgiving movie. Like

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody's got their Christmas movies, every got their Fourth July movies. Goddamnit,

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man's a Thanksgiving film. Give it the holiday it deserves.

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And there was subtle stuff in it, like Spider Man's

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>wearing Norman Osborne's colors and Norman's wearing Spiderman's colors that scene,

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>And it was when I first started seeing details in

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>film like that, and I started seeing like, you know,

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like little Nuance and uh. I always thought that that

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was a really good way for kids to translate in

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the comics because they did that Power Ranger green green

0:46:58.160 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Goblin suit, which I hated, but it made it really

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a coachable for toys, and to this day, like J. K.

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Simmons is, Jonah is one of the best characters in

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>any comic film, like Hard Stop. So I loved it.

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought they did a really good job. I love

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>that Jim and Gilianos now a D and D NERD

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>and he played Flash like that. That really makes me happy. Um,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 1>But those first three we were really good for their time.

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 1>But I think that we have let some nostalgia tied

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 1>into them. Like I never got into the camp be

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Sam Raimi flavors much a lot of people. And this

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't disparaging people that love it. I just it's not

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>my Spider Man. It was he got Peter Parker down,

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.240
<v Speaker 1>but I never felt like Spider Man was fully on screen. Nice.

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 1>We got two more trilogies or one one alleged trilogies

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>from the from the voice of Danny Fernandez, Uh to

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 1>get into. But first we gotta hit breaks one more time,

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:43.879
<v Speaker 1>one last time, and we're gonna get into the last

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 1>two trilogies and then kind of talk about, you know,

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the future Spider Man, what we think is going to happen,

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>things that were excited about, and maybe we'll even talk

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>about that video game and the Broadway musical. No, we'll

0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>skip that turn. No, right after these messages and welcome back,

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 1>it is your boy here once again. It's what the

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>same folks. Danny Fernandez right across me and row flinging.

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Webb's yeah, yeah, the whip that that's like the one

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>like agreed upon web sound. He gets an automopia. He

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 1>gets one, and it's allowed. Also, I want to say

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>before we leave the webbing, I've always loved that Spider

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Man is so underdog and so mortal that he runs

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 1>out of web fluid. I love I'm a mechanical Webshooters guy.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I think organic adds a certain level of sensuality that

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>makes me uncomfortable. But I think the webbing is a

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>cool thing that he can run out of because it

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 1>makes me more human because when he runs out of webbing,

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm just falling, And that's always made him endearing.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>When you were talking about the comic, what was the

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 1>commentary that you were saying it was It wasn't just

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 1>about how they've reflected in montrefl It wasn't just about strength.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Is about willpower, Like he had the strength, but he

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't He didn't have the strength, but he had the willpower.

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And that comes back to what Tony Stark told him

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in Homecoming, which was if you if you're nothing without

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the suit, you shouldn't happen and they keep And I

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>love that the new Marvel trilogy is able to reflect

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>power and responsibility about saying it. They're able to reflect

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that without saying like they're able to be like these

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>are the lessons. But I do want to give that

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>one fun factoid about great power and responsibility that when

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>it was originally a text box on the last panel

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of his first appearance, and then it was attributed to

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Ben, which is a fun thing that they're like, oh, yeah,

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>check that out. I have something for us. Oh there's

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the Magic Spider Man, Spider Man, a spider game, any

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:58.759
<v Speaker 1>side cat just like guys, I'm just fire Man. Yeah,

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:00.919
<v Speaker 1>that's the good stuff, right. They didn't even talk about

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that cartoon. That cartoon also amazing and when before we

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>leave the original trilogy, Alfred Molina as do Cock is

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>one of the best performances of the hundred superhero movies

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>we have now, Alfred Malinas dot Cock is amongst the

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 1>best villains. We got to hang out with Alfred Malina

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>as well at the Yeah so Octavious, Uh yeah, So

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 1>moving on to Andrew Garfields. Uh, and that came out

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the amazing Spider Man that came out in directed by

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Mark Webb. Yeah, like we were saying, it wasn't as

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>received as well, it was too soon after how much

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.480
<v Speaker 1>people loved Toby and Spider Man three had a lot

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of problems, but it made a lot of money, so

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 1>even though it wasn't the best movie, it certainly was

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.879
<v Speaker 1>seen by everyone. So I don't think it really helped

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Garfield that he was following up a beloved two

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and a half movies. The Sandman in Spiderman reasoncredible. They

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>just the studio made him put venom in it, and

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Toby and tofor that was but Amazing Spider Man I

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>think suffered from too many cooks, way too many people

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>were working on it. I love. I think the comedy

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 1>when he's in characters some of the best because they

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>had stand up comedians do punch ups on both Amazing

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Spiderman one and two. In spite he's quipy as hell,

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he's great, but you're never really invested in the Lizard.

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 1>You're never really invested in Jamie Fox's Smurf, Like, you're

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.440
<v Speaker 1>never really there, so you can't care about the hero

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.399
<v Speaker 1>if you don't like care about the villain. And that's

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 1>what Netflix learned with Kingpin and Punisher and all these things.

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 1>When you've got a good villain, you've got a better hero.

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.920
<v Speaker 1>And the amazing Spider Man franchise never gave us that.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>The love story between Gwen and Peter is some of

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the best stuff we've seen. When she does spoiler when

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 1>she dies in Spider Man two, that moment is straight

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 1>out of the comics, to the point where she dies

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>an amazing Spiderman number one and as she falls down

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the clock tower, the clock stops at like they paid attention.

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. But if you don't care about the villain, again,

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:59.120
<v Speaker 1>why are we here? Like dand Hans Harry Osborne is weird? Uh?

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Norman Osborne's in the Jar was dumb. The post credit

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 1>scene where his parents came back that they deleted and

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 1>they brought back like that's a mess. But I will

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.400
<v Speaker 1>say Mark Webb directed the best use of the Z

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 1>axis I've ever seen them do with Spider Man. Like

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>it was a three D shot film, so I didn't

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just have the X and Y, I didn't just have

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the longitude and logitude, latitude and longitude. It actually used

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>depth of field really well. So when you watch that movie,

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>you actually see Spider Man go in the depth of

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the frame and out towards you in a way that

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>really captures his movement. Well, so I'll give the amazing

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man duo the credit for the z axis use

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful. Before we move on to Tom Holland, I

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>do have to talk about the Broadway musical Spider Man

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Turn Off the Dark from What do you remember of that?

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>This was like kind of all over the news and

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:50.720
<v Speaker 1>not the best ways. But everyone got hurt, remember Melon

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 1>injured themselves. I remember being like, oh, okay, technology is

0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>not as far as I was afraid. It wasn't like

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that was one of my like oh, because I remember

0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>there being like like Spider Man, it was real and

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.879
<v Speaker 1>people on ropes and swinging, and then everyone got hurt

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and Broadway I was like, Okay, we're not in the

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 1>future yet people are still so the music and lyrics

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>were written by Bono and The Edge from You Too.

0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>In case you didn't know, it's currently the most expensive

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 1>musical and Broadway history. It cush seventy million, probably some

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>of that in addition, the show's unusually high running costs

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:23.640
<v Speaker 1>are reported. I've been around one point two million per week,

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.439
<v Speaker 1>probably because they were paying out workers. Calm, oh my god,

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.319
<v Speaker 1>one point to a week. Yeah, I don't it's it's

0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>uh interestingly unmemorable, except for us all cringing when we

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, which is really unfortunate. Okay, moving on

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to a Civil War. We popped in Tom Holland and

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.399
<v Speaker 1>we talked about on the Punisher episode that are good friend.

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 1>John burn Thal helped Tom Holland audition for Spider Man.

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>We should also note that Tom Holland also loves puppies

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.359
<v Speaker 1>as much as John burnthall loves holding dogs, so there's

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 1>another crossover for your dog lovers. You go. I think

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 1>that the moment in Civil War where we see Peter

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Parker carrying a used VCR no I used DVD player

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 1>up the stairs is the moment our true Spider Man

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.399
<v Speaker 1>was born. Uh. There's something so iconically Spider Man about

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like taking something apart from parts, selling something, coming into

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Aunt May and just being you know in that in

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.320
<v Speaker 1>that mix. Uh. To me, he's been Spiderman since his

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 1>nerdy shirt, Like he's just Tom Holland gets it. He

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:19.280
<v Speaker 1>he actively is an acrobat. He's actually very like nerdy

0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>but endearing. He's got that, he's got Dick co from

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the O G and John Im the Senior. He's this

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>perfect amalgamation of like all the best, he's the greatest.

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>It's of Spider He's he's now that's what I call

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man, and I love that, Like he's just everything

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and the villains are great, and you really appreciate that.

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:37.839
<v Speaker 1>In Homecoming, we're invested in Michael Keaton's Vulture so much

0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that the scene in the car this scenes one of

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the best villain scenes ever and they're both and the

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:46.239
<v Speaker 1>scene where he overpowers him from across the room and

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>effectively has the goblin glidder use of the wings like

0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they're able to to subvert tropes while also giving us

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>comic nods while also surprising both casual fans and comic

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I think his most Peter Parker moment is when he

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 1>saves him when he's about to catch on fire, when

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole plane and everything crashes. He like runs over

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and like still pulls him out. That's the most and

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>then he leaves a cute little note. Yeah. Yeah, it's

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 1>like the most Peter Parker's Spider Man thing. It's I personally,

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Tom Hollands, my Spidy and I think that this franchise,

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>we're in really good hands and he's young enough to

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:19.839
<v Speaker 1>do it for you know, however long we get him. Yeah,

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait till he grows up and does college change.

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Like we can have su then we can have the

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Scherzynski run later, we can do all these things because

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:29.319
<v Speaker 1>right now he's our little ultimate Spider Man. He can

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 1>grow up into like married to Mary Jane, and then

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Venom can come into the wait And I have another

0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimate Peter Parker moment is when he when Tony Stark

0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>asked him to join officially and he says no. If

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he says if it means that he has to come

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.799
<v Speaker 1>and live here, then he says no, and he's like oh.

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>And then he turns around and was like, oh, is

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>this a test? And he was like yeah. And then

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.359
<v Speaker 1>there's like all the people in the press that we're

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.239
<v Speaker 1>waiting for him. I love that it's those writers in

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that team really get Spider Man, and I think I

0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>think we're living in a golden age of Spider Man.

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.240
<v Speaker 1>We've got the video game what, we've got the movies

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.279
<v Speaker 1>that are iconic and amazing. We've got the Spider Verse.

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 1>We've got they're doing a TV show and a sequel

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to Spider Verse. We're gonna have televised and theatrical Spider

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:12.919
<v Speaker 1>Verse content coming up, and a sequel to the game.

0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 1>As far as I know, like there's literally a boundless

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Spiderman content and currently the comics are amazing. Nick Spencer's

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 1>writing amazing Spiderman. The main title. Chips at Arski's writing

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a thing called life Story that's actually even reading it.

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 1>It takes place in the different decades, but he ages,

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:28.839
<v Speaker 1>So it starts in the sixties and he's a kid,

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and then in the seventies season his twenties, and the

0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 1>eighties in his thirties, Like, it actually ages with time,

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and so all the continuity is fair games. You can

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>play around with mythology. It's brilliant. So that's another run.

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>We've got some great stuff from like side, Spiderman's the

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>best he's ever been I think right now, and that's

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 1>hard to say with the character from the sixties. Yeah,

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.239
<v Speaker 1>as well, I did want to touch on the Spiderman

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.560
<v Speaker 1>game because our former guests Sam Mag's actually worked on it.

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know, Sam, uh, Yeah, she

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>worked on it. She also interviewed on a show that

0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I did at Notrdice just into Chew, who's the art

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 1>director um and then Kelsey Beecham was one of the writers.

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 1>They had a lot of women that worked on and

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was super dope. Over and SAWNI acts

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Mary Jane got to be a character, like you actually

0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:10.919
<v Speaker 1>got to be Mary Jane. You actually got to see

0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>her perspective. You could tell women were involved, and I

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>love that. I also that game, my buddy URI's the

0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 1>voice of Spider Man, so I had a really cool

0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>moment where I got to scroll through Facebook and see

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 1>him announce you as Spider Man. So I got to

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>be like my buddy Spiderman according to Facebook, which is

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 1>a weird real life moment. Yuri is Spider Man, Like

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>his voice was so perfect. He actually recorded multiple takes

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of everyone depending on exertion, so he was running around

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 1>his sound booth like and like swinging and getting different takes.

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 1>And I love that that translates to the game. One

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of the guys that go to Bringing Man with Kingpin,

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Like that game is is so well cast well executed.

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Just swinging around you can do that for days, Like

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I I've a percent of that game, but I still

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 1>play because I just love swinging around New York. I mean,

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the That's kind of how it was when the

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:57.480
<v Speaker 1>original Trilogy Spider Man movie game came out, because that

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.040
<v Speaker 1>one was good. It was and I think everyone it

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 1>agree and it was like the one that everyone was like,

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I wish there was one as good as this, and

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>then Insomniac knocked it up the part. The last game

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I played before this game was Spiderman on PS two

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and Ultimate Spiderman MPs two. I didn't buy a p

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 1>S three. I bought a PS four Spiderman Edition four

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 1>spider Man, and I unfortunately haven't opened a single other

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>PS four games, So I spent four d and thirty

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>dollars in Spiderman. I haven't touched a console in between

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man. It's a problem, y'all. We should note one

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>other voice actor or actor that voice Spider Man was

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Jake Johnson. Obviously Spiderman into the Spider Verse, and I

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.240
<v Speaker 1>think that duld version of Peter Parker, it's so good

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 1>like and I never if you told me, like ten

0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>years ago or five years ago, when I kne who

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Jake Johnson, Like, what are you talking about and then

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.880
<v Speaker 1>he just is he's so like yeah, him and New

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Girls deaf. I could see him being like an older

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man. Yeah, I wouldn't have before, but now that's

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>all I hear. You know what I mean? Like, if

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't, if you'd said that we're going to be

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a multiverse Spider Man movie with Nicholas Cage of Spiderman,

0:58:55.920 --> 0:59:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Jake John like that sounds awful, sounds like Batman and Robin. Yeah.

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And then it turned out to be one of the

0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 1>most authentic representations of the character in any medium. Yeah,

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and I love into the Spider Verse. It was my

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 1>number one movie from last year's Yeah, I didn't think

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Infinity Work could beaten and then I was like, oh,

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you made perfection cool. That was interesting, Like for it

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>to come after Infinity War was kind of like risky,

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but that's just what they were like, you're gonna dig this,

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and we did because they can bind multiple comic runs,

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the Ultimate Green Goblins in there, and then you have

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 1>got sin Kevitch's Kingpin, which is like a painted style.

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>You've got a tombstone, which we've never seen in another medium.

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Inside the comics. It really captured all the deep cut

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Spidy stuff and translated it to the mainstream and Penny

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and the anime style, Gerard gerarda Way's creation, My Chemical

0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Romance and Spider Man, and of course we have Spider

0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Ham voiced by John mulaney, which has been around for

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 1>shockingly long since the seventies. I think it was so

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Spider Ham is an O G spidy character, which is

0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 1>just insane in itself. And I you know, the sequel

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:55.439
<v Speaker 1>and the show, like I could see it just going

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.240
<v Speaker 1>on forever and we could live in this this insane

0:59:57.520 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Spidy stuff. We are going to get a Spider Gwen, Yes,

1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:05.680
<v Speaker 1>one that will also have the silk Um and spiders.

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Spider Spider Woman will be in it. I've heard, yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, all the Spidies. And that's what's so

1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 1>cool about the characters you were talking about. The mask.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally is one of the most iconic costumes, to

1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the point where even if they change everything, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a Spider person. Yeah, and that's crazy, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>color can change, the design considers a Spider person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's already an investment. You're like, whatever that

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 1>character is here some money. Yeah, and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>so cool and and we we briefly touched on the villains,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the legacy of the villains. You've got all

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<v Speaker 1>the goblins, you've got all the animal based ones, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got all the symbian's, you've got all the the mafia types. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many different corners of the Spider Man lexicon

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<v Speaker 1>that are all great. Yeah, and it's so funny. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about Venom, but um, we never

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<v Speaker 1>really got around to it. But mostly my my quick

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<v Speaker 1>take on Venom is Venom has been in one of

1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:53.400
<v Speaker 1>my favorite parts of Spider Man, but it's always been

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<v Speaker 1>ruined by someone trying to rush to it because Venom

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<v Speaker 1>is such a slow burn of like a character. Because

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<v Speaker 1>to get too Venom, you need black suit Spidy, you

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<v Speaker 1>need the beef between him and Brock, you need all

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<v Speaker 1>all that uh uh Eddie Brock. Yeah, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>was I calling him Brock lesser picturing casting? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just all that beef leads up to this because like

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<v Speaker 1>there is something in the sense of like Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>realizing that this suit is bad and then someone being like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it, and I love the feeling. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the power to me, Venom and Ben Riley, two very

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<v Speaker 1>controversial characters, represent the same thing I like about Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Riley to me and I am one of the

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<v Speaker 1>five guys on the Internet that defends the Clones saga

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<v Speaker 1>represents power and responsibility gone too far. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>can be too responsible. I think you can choose to

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<v Speaker 1>do things to help others at the harm of yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Ben Riley represents like a site, a

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<v Speaker 1>psychic a psychotic break. I think Ben Riley's like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who I am. Oh wait, there's me, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And it represents kind of this like the loss of

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<v Speaker 1>sense of self. And I think the Venom suit did

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<v Speaker 1>that with power. So when he had too much power,

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<v Speaker 1>it got in his head and he lost his sense

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<v Speaker 1>of responsibility. So I think Ben Riley and then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of represent two sides of the same coin, with

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<v Speaker 1>Spiderman balancing in the middle. And that's why there's such

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<v Speaker 1>iconic pieces of the lore. But you know, we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Spider Man forever, but we are running long.

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<v Speaker 1>So where can people find you? Coy? You can find

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<v Speaker 1>me at c O Y j A N D R

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<v Speaker 1>e A U on Twitter and Instagram. I host Colyder

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<v Speaker 1>Heroes with Amy Dollin every single week on Tuesday's. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a podcast, Giant Sized Heroes, which drops on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>I host comic book Shopping, where I take people that

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<v Speaker 1>are in these movies and shows that you love to

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<v Speaker 1>the comic store and actually show them the source material.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Far from Home Spider Man, we brought Mr

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Jillen Hall and we talked all sorts of comics.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also appear at your various junk kits

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, So please talk comics at me because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed. And if you can't tell, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of opinions and long diet tribes about keep a

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<v Speaker 1>note in mind, oh whenever, and Coy loves it whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about Batman and The Punisher. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great. I just love poking the bear, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love defending you because it puts me like I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>your side. But the Internet and I and then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like they can't like, I just go like I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I wrote. I asked Chris McKay and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, um, Chris, does does Batman kill? And he

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<v Speaker 1>was like negatory and I was like, well, my Batman

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<v Speaker 1>kills But I'm just joking. It's just it's funny to

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<v Speaker 1>me that that's like such a trigger for people. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>he has a lot of casualties on his hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>am I am at Miss Danny Fernandez on all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>If you and I will be at San Diego Comic

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<v Speaker 1>Con in San Diego, it'll be great. We will be there.

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<v Speaker 1>We're probably gonna do a meet up. We'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>see everyone. Will probably get some of our guests that

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<v Speaker 1>will also be down there to meet us up. We

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<v Speaker 1>will let you know when that is, so definitely follow

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<v Speaker 1>us for that. Yea yeah, And I'm if y w

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<v Speaker 1>A d I w E on Twitter and Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>if he's on Twitch. Lots of this alt fam turning

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<v Speaker 1>into the nerd family vice versa coming in. Remember the

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<v Speaker 1>Twitch prime stups have to be re upped every month,

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<v Speaker 1>so come through. And if you want to just hang

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<v Speaker 1>and talk in the Discord, we're always having fun in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's Discord dot g g slash Salt Squad, So

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you do that and UH as always, uh

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<v Speaker 1>stay nerdy