Speaker 1: Welcome to Narrative cent Time. Your host, if you wide
Speaker 1: away and sitting across from me at some points is
Speaker 1: your other host, Danny Fernandez. I'm good. If I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm grand, and I'm wonderful. All of those
Speaker 1: things are. We're talking about something really cool and it
Speaker 1: was very cool area and the zeit geist right now.
Speaker 1: You know, as soon everybody will be watching a movie
Speaker 1: featuring this fella. They're gonna be watching it today, possibly
Speaker 1: when this episode drops. It's very true. Yeah, perfect time.
Speaker 1: It's almost like we set this up in our schedule
Speaker 1: today we're talking about Spider Man. No, I thought I confused.
Speaker 1: I thought we were talking about pretty little lives. I
Speaker 1: have thought that that was what we were doing. So
Speaker 1: weird joined by you remember him from the Punisher episode.
Speaker 1: He is a host on Collider Heroes and also Comic
Speaker 1: book Shopping. It's Coy Jon Drowsy, Spider Man's my boy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like your Spider Man shirt. This was just
Speaker 1: a coin. I'm always ready and your Spider Man okay,
Speaker 1: head like and it's double sided. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: tattoo I'm getting right here. It's around the bend. Once
Speaker 1: a network allows me to have a forearmed tattoo. I'm
Speaker 1: getting that back. I feel like you could do that
Speaker 1: at Collider. Yeah. Well I'm worried about one siment, like
Speaker 1: you know, like the next place. So that was cool
Speaker 1: on the internet, but I mean I had to network.
Speaker 1: I had these dbz ones at the Aladdin premiere when
Speaker 1: I was hosting, didn't they weren't covered? That's true, that's
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, it's so like, this is such an
Speaker 1: aggressive spot and that's where I'm going to it and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, what a posting. I'm so serious. This
Speaker 1: is forever like dead. I think the only thing would
Speaker 1: be like if you went over to if you were
Speaker 1: hosting at d C. That's although Chris McKay, who I'm
Speaker 1: friends with, he has a Captain America big tattoo on
Speaker 1: his forearm. He has the shield and he directed Lego Batman.
Speaker 1: So you're more accepting society. So I think he's you're allowed.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you grow up a nerd, You're you're
Speaker 1: influenced by both. Yeah, you want to brand yourself. You
Speaker 1: should be allowed to freedom and branding, So go for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's it's a real already pick
Speaker 1: the artist. I've already got decisions made. It's just making
Speaker 1: the commitment, commitment. It's real intense, it's forever. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: Spider Man is actually tied to Punisher, so I thought
Speaker 1: it was perfect that came on because he punish your
Speaker 1: debut in the pages of Spiderman. Oh yes, yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. We're bringing it back, going backwards. It's retroactively
Speaker 1: relevant to my guessing. So we have been starting our
Speaker 1: podcast with what people are geeking out about? What are
Speaker 1: you seeking out about this week? So this is shameless
Speaker 1: and there's a bit of a bias considering the subject matter.
Speaker 1: But your Boy saw Far from Home, and I've been
Speaker 1: speaking out about it since the moment it started playing,
Speaker 1: and then the moment the credits rolled, I would have
Speaker 1: loved if they just pressed play again. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: saw it after flying internationally and I still had my suitcases.
Speaker 1: We were running so behind. I brought my stuff and
Speaker 1: it's a very hard like thing to be excited while
Speaker 1: that jet lagged, and it was that good that I was.
Speaker 1: And I also have a Spider Man suitcase because shamelessness,
Speaker 1: so I brought my Spidy suitcase to the screening in
Speaker 1: London of Spiderman and I was in love from the
Speaker 1: jump to the end, and uh, I haven't stopped thinking
Speaker 1: about it. And it's if you guys are listening to
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday, I hope you've either already seen it.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do spoilers, but I hope you've either
Speaker 1: already seen it already have your tickets, because it is
Speaker 1: shockingly important to see it without knowing anything. I think
Speaker 1: the only thing I want to know is is there
Speaker 1: post credits? Yes? Okay, well that should we say, of course,
Speaker 1: but you know, after in game, maybe they're like, we're
Speaker 1: done with this, We've changed, We're done with that. I
Speaker 1: will I will even say not only are there two
Speaker 1: post credits, but between the two, and I won't say
Speaker 1: which one one of them is my personal favorite, maybe
Speaker 1: of all time. I don't know it all right, that's
Speaker 1: all we'll say. Somebody I know, I know somebody's like
Speaker 1: fingers digging into right now because there's people was like,
Speaker 1: you're just too close. Yeah, like some people like that spoiler.
Speaker 1: What's his favorite? What would he love? What are you
Speaker 1: geeking out about today? I'm I'm seeking out about I
Speaker 1: was sent to this book. Yeah, I have a book.
Speaker 1: I have a book. It was written by Sarah Fader
Speaker 1: and her son Ari. It's about well Sarah is. She's
Speaker 1: the founder of a mental health nonprofit organization called Stigma Fighters,
Speaker 1: and her and her son wrote this book called Nobody,
Speaker 1: and it's essentially about when you feel like nobody. And
Speaker 1: it's really cute and it has illustrations in it and
Speaker 1: a nobody dog and it talks about being a somebody.
Speaker 1: So I highly recommend it, and also all the work
Speaker 1: that she's done in the mental health community. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm geeking out about super dope. Um, I mean, since
Speaker 1: we're all shamelessly plugging, I'm getting out about the new
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Speaker 1: It's their newest mouse. It's kind of similar to the
Speaker 1: M sixty five, where it has weights that you can
Speaker 1: adjust the weight to it. I'm a light boy, so
Speaker 1: I didn't add any of the weights. But it's bigger,
Speaker 1: so it's good for bigger hands. But it kind of
Speaker 1: has that same kind of IN sixty five kind of
Speaker 1: fat or FPS shaped to it, but you can add
Speaker 1: six different variable weights to it. And uh yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been getting collaps online with it if you want to,
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out, if you want
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Speaker 1: Just go ahead and use that link if you need
Speaker 1: a new headphones, keyboards, mice. Just you know, I get
Speaker 1: a little kick back, of course, but also you know,
Speaker 1: I am a fan of the brand. Like I I
Speaker 1: begged Corsair to sponsor me, not the other way around.
Speaker 1: That's how much I love the sales. So it's been vetted. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been vetted, because that's all how I always want
Speaker 1: to do anything sponsored for Like, I'd much rather go
Speaker 1: after the company and be like that's because I like
Speaker 1: you so much, versus being like, hey, we're gonna pay
Speaker 1: you and say you like it yeah, because it's really
Speaker 1: like you can feel that insecure, especially if you don't like,
Speaker 1: really know the product. I always think like Box Lunch clothes,
Speaker 1: do you gut you guys know Box Lunch? Yeah, Box
Speaker 1: Lunch donates ten dollars out of every fifty to feeding
Speaker 1: local homeless, So it's helping people in our community, and
Speaker 1: it's helping the homeless directly, and it's awesome branded merch.
Speaker 1: So like when I want to buy a Deadpool or
Speaker 1: Spider Man shut, I go there and so of just
Speaker 1: generally buying clothes and I'll pend, I'll spend a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But I know it's directly helping not just
Speaker 1: the community but my community. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: really good way to spend branded content because we're already
Speaker 1: selling out to the point where, like I'm talking about tattoo,
Speaker 1: I'd rather sell out for a good cost. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: while we got you here, te public dot com slash,
Speaker 1: you know this, this will just be the shill hour.
Speaker 1: I mean you are already here. I imagine that you
Speaker 1: have your laptop open. You're like, oh, it's summer, the
Speaker 1: steam summer sales going on. Why why not just buy
Speaker 1: some other stone? Yeah? But yeah, yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 1: we're nerding out about. And now it's time to talk
Speaker 1: about Spider Man, the spiner Man. Mr Peter Radio. Do
Speaker 1: you spiner Man Narrow? We did an episode on that, right,
Speaker 1: just the animated series, right, we know we didn't. I
Speaker 1: thought we did an episode. Not we did an episode
Speaker 1: of Miles Morales. Yeah. Um, so you do you have
Speaker 1: the original Spider Man comic. So I'm thirty eight no.
Speaker 1: Thirty six issues from every Spiderman ever in print, so
Speaker 1: every run, every title, every cover, every annual, every mini series.
Speaker 1: Uh so I have sixteen thousand, five hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two Just Spidy books. Um, yeah, I got a problem.
Speaker 1: And they're all a Excel spreadsheets, so I know the
Speaker 1: exact number. I've got thirty seven long boxes of Just Spidy.
Speaker 1: Keep them in a vault, bagged, boarded and in a
Speaker 1: long box which is sealed, and then thirty back East.
Speaker 1: They're safely in a in a in my parents. My
Speaker 1: parents moved from Boston, which is like living a Cape
Speaker 1: cod to Georgia, where you get a little more room,
Speaker 1: so they don't let me have a full walk in
Speaker 1: closet for my comics because they're the best. So they're
Speaker 1: effectively at a vault. So they're like on the other
Speaker 1: side of the country in a walk in closet sealed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're pretty much in a vault for me, and
Speaker 1: uh I I read the new ones and then every
Speaker 1: hundred issues, I fly a short box back and I
Speaker 1: have a whole system. But I pick up Mood New
Speaker 1: books every Wednesday and everything that's not Spidy x Men
Speaker 1: or Deadpool, I buy digitally because I amount of space,
Speaker 1: So Spidy x Men and Deadpool I buy the physical
Speaker 1: hard copies and then I buy digital of the other
Speaker 1: hundred two books. Issue I read a week. So he's
Speaker 1: like numbers guys, I know, we we if you remember
Speaker 1: on the Punisher episode when Coy was just dropping issue numbers.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I feel like that I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it's quote unquote dead but like that
Speaker 1: used to be associated to nerd them is like, you know,
Speaker 1: especially with comic book guys, like in Radioactive Man numbers,
Speaker 1: you know, and I feel like there isn't that like
Speaker 1: number of clockage anymore, almost because I feel like too
Speaker 1: many people were using it for evil, you know where
Speaker 1: they you know where they would be like, oh you
Speaker 1: you like, I see you wearing a Spiderman shirt? Tuts,
Speaker 1: So tell me who did he fight in issue one thirteen?
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, honey, which is Harry Jane debut in
Speaker 1: because she's got two issues in her face is hidden?
Speaker 1: When did you say the iconic line say, but so
Speaker 1: it's Spider Man. Is very funny out of all the superheroes, because, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to ask you if you couldn't
Speaker 1: even remember when you were first introduced to him, because
Speaker 1: like it could have been on the side of an
Speaker 1: ice cream truck. Like spider Man is the most popular
Speaker 1: Marvel hero, So do you have any recollection when you
Speaker 1: were introduced to him? Todd McFarlane, Spiderman Number two. I
Speaker 1: received my third birthday and I learned to read with Spiderman,
Speaker 1: so my very first like I learned with a comic
Speaker 1: book because there was already drawings and stuff and I
Speaker 1: was able to get context clues. And this is actually
Speaker 1: from that same run. So I'm wearing a shirt representing
Speaker 1: that actually learning to read. Um and we my parents
Speaker 1: were into comics. My dad was into comics. My mom
Speaker 1: was into like the superhero world. She like loved what
Speaker 1: it represented. So my parents were super encouraging the whole time.
Speaker 1: And my dad had a full run of Claremont Burns
Speaker 1: Uncanny X Men, which she gave me like years later,
Speaker 1: which got me into X Men. But Spidey was that
Speaker 1: like approachable everyone can read it. Ironically, Torment is one
Speaker 1: of the few titles that isn't for kids, so I
Speaker 1: read I read this like lizard ripping kids apart book
Speaker 1: to learn to read, and it's like Spider Man Safe
Speaker 1: except for this run. Uh. So I learned to read
Speaker 1: a Spiderman back when he was in the dark and
Speaker 1: gritty phase. And then as I grew up, the Spider
Speaker 1: Man animated series came on and I was the kid
Speaker 1: with the VCR where I broke two because I had
Speaker 1: stopped for the commercials and hit record and I'm like
Speaker 1: playing with the thing. Uh. And then later later on
Speaker 1: they released m in those clamshells. Those are the ones
Speaker 1: that smelled great. Uh, And I bought a bunch of
Speaker 1: those because I was like breaking VCRs. So since I
Speaker 1: could acknowledge television, acknowledge reading or any of that, I've
Speaker 1: been reading. And then once they had him on CD ROM,
Speaker 1: I've been reading the back issues I couldn't have. And
Speaker 1: I have this weird o c D where I don't
Speaker 1: read an issue until I own it. So if it's
Speaker 1: like a five issue that I'm saving up four, once
Speaker 1: I own it, then I'll download the digital and read it.
Speaker 1: But I haven't. I don't let myself touch untill I
Speaker 1: own it, but I won't open the old copies That's
Speaker 1: exactly what I was gonna follow up with. So you
Speaker 1: buy the old copies with no intention to actually cracking
Speaker 1: them open and reading it. If it proceeds in my birthday,
Speaker 1: don't touch it. Actually, I want to stop to bring
Speaker 1: something up to you because I know it's going to
Speaker 1: physically hurt you. Um, will you, for the audience, tell
Speaker 1: us what issue Deadpool first appeared in. So I did
Speaker 1: a show for E three called pre Pre Show where
Speaker 1: our host John Carnage pulled out new mutants and he
Speaker 1: put it on a fishing line on top of this
Speaker 1: like weird goopy soup, and he the guest, who was
Speaker 1: a developer, had to if he would if he guessed
Speaker 1: everything right, he would win the copy. If he guessed
Speaker 1: it wrong, the copy would fall into that goopy stuff.
Speaker 1: And his last name is Carnage is period And they
Speaker 1: did not get it right, and I went. I witnessed
Speaker 1: it dip into a goop the juice and then get
Speaker 1: thrown into a blinter and I was like shocked, but
Speaker 1: there was like a part of me that was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is probably fake. And then it was
Speaker 1: like cut and he was like, oh no, I own
Speaker 1: that copy. Audience that you can't see it that I've
Speaker 1: been writhing my hands on the chair and it was
Speaker 1: experience so funny, and I was like, then I know
Speaker 1: what happened. I was like, you bought that. When you
Speaker 1: bought it, like when it came out. I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like that's the thing is like if
Speaker 1: you buy it, like, if you buy that copy, it's
Speaker 1: never gonna be worth even like if I buy like
Speaker 1: if I bought like Spider Man number one when it
Speaker 1: came out, even years from now, when people like that's
Speaker 1: worth a million dollars, it just will never be It's
Speaker 1: still gonna be worth But yeah, to you, it's always
Speaker 1: so when you're like, what's a crazy bit, you're not
Speaker 1: like even though you know it's so insane, You're like
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't have that so I can have
Speaker 1: the fun of that. But yeah, um, after we record,
Speaker 1: I'll show you the clip and you can see me if.
Speaker 1: I was so uncomfortable because like I was like, because
Speaker 1: you could you, I mean, you know when it's real.
Speaker 1: But part of me and my brain I was like, not,
Speaker 1: it has to be a fake. It's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's the original. I was like wow.
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't know. My friend has a
Speaker 1: bunch of the Magic the Gathering Letter worth like fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: like um, yeah, and so he definitely takes those really
Speaker 1: seriously and he's like holding onto it. I think now
Speaker 1: that they announced the Magic Show and he thinks it's
Speaker 1: going to go even more up. So well, I just
Speaker 1: got amazing Spiderman number sixties six, which is an iconic
Speaker 1: mysterio cover, and I got it just happened to find
Speaker 1: it in time for the movie. So it is this
Speaker 1: really cool like kist that I need. So a few
Speaker 1: comments and one appeared in my life right before. But
Speaker 1: it's also going to go up in value after the movie.
Speaker 1: But it also just happened to be in my life
Speaker 1: at the time of the movie. So it's cool because
Speaker 1: I'll remember. It's cool when you have an emotional attachment
Speaker 1: to an issue that you remember later, like I always
Speaker 1: remember right as the movie came out, I got this
Speaker 1: issue with a cover and right and that's what I
Speaker 1: like about buying print copies, Like you don't remember where
Speaker 1: you got your digital copy. You don't remember, like what
Speaker 1: when you hold a book, it feels so much more
Speaker 1: importantly special, and I'll have something to either like loom
Speaker 1: over my kids or put them through college with because
Speaker 1: I won't sell them mom alive. But if they want
Speaker 1: to make that choice as long as I'm dead, that's
Speaker 1: their move. I know there was I have, and it's
Speaker 1: not really worth much because it's a nineties comic. In
Speaker 1: nineties comics aren't worth it much. Anyone who's going through
Speaker 1: like yard sales, just know there was an era. I
Speaker 1: think we do. I don't know if we talk talked
Speaker 1: about in the punch Trap. Yeah, just they just overprinted,
Speaker 1: but I have the original like Cage Run and it's
Speaker 1: from a guy. And did I bring up this story?
Speaker 1: I think I told this story where like it was
Speaker 1: a guy in the community college I met who like
Speaker 1: found out that, you know, his wife couldn't have kids,
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, I planned on giving this
Speaker 1: to my kid, uh and and he was like, so
Speaker 1: I want to give this to you because he found
Speaker 1: out I was a nerd and it was like it's sweet.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I'd ever get rid of it
Speaker 1: because of that like sentimental thing. And that was like
Speaker 1: the probably the nicest thing a nerd has done for me.
Speaker 1: At that point in my life, you know, everything was
Speaker 1: so just collectors. Anyway, we need to talk about Spider Man.
Speaker 1: We've we've been reminiscing. It's hard not to talk about THEE.
Speaker 1: But let's do what we do, which is the normal
Speaker 1: breakdown that I start off with, which is Spider Man
Speaker 1: is a fictional superhero created by writer editor Stanley rest
Speaker 1: in Peace and writer artist Steve Ditko uh rest in
Speaker 1: Peace as well. Uh. He first appeared in the anthology
Speaker 1: comic book Amazing Fantasy number fifteen that dropped in August
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, and the Silver Age of comic books.
Speaker 1: He appeared in American comic books published by Marvel Comics,
Speaker 1: as well as a number of movies, television shows, video
Speaker 1: game adaptation set in the Marvel universe, and in these stories,
Speaker 1: Spider Man is the alias of Peter Parker most of
Speaker 1: the time, an orphan raised by his aunt May and
Speaker 1: uncle Ben in New York City after his parents, Richard
Speaker 1: and Mary Parker were killed in a plane crash. Lee
Speaker 1: and did Go had the character deal with struggles of
Speaker 1: adolescence and financial issues, and accompanied him with many supporting characters,
Speaker 1: such as j Jonah Jamison, Harry Osborne, Max Modell, romantic
Speaker 1: interest is such as Gwinn Stacy and Mary Jane Watson
Speaker 1: and uh and foes such as Dr Octopus, Green Goblin Venom,
Speaker 1: which we will talk too much about because I have
Speaker 1: so many thoughts on you know, it's funny. I was
Speaker 1: watching the animated the Old animated show, and I think
Speaker 1: that was the first episode, and Aunt May is like
Speaker 1: hiding bills from him, like past two bills, and he
Speaker 1: was like, why does she hide these from me? And
Speaker 1: he like pulls it. Also, he looks like is he older?
Speaker 1: Like he looks much older in the animated he's he's
Speaker 1: he's like edged kid. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: just like Polo Forever. Yeah, he definitely his face looked older.
Speaker 1: But it was so sad because I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't remember watching this as a kid. Of like,
Speaker 1: my aunt needs help paying the bills and I need
Speaker 1: to help her. I was like, oh my god. With
Speaker 1: some adult themes very much so um. Also, the beginning
Speaker 1: animation is hilarious to me because it's like, no, it's
Speaker 1: not good. That's why it's beautiful, because it's just you.
Speaker 1: When you think about it, you're you have to look
Speaker 1: up and go, wow, this looks like a I don't know,
Speaker 1: an old arcade game. They outsourced a lot of animation
Speaker 1: on that show. You can see when they're like, we
Speaker 1: couldn't afford this, had to put it out there to
Speaker 1: whoever you can make it for cheap. Uh. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: COI talk us through this first appearance of him and
Speaker 1: what this first run was like. So Spider Man was
Speaker 1: invented by Stanley and Steve Diko because he was a
Speaker 1: character they couldn't get in a book. So Stanley wanted
Speaker 1: to make a character that wasn't your traditional superhero. He
Speaker 1: wasn't someone that was like larger than life and very important.
Speaker 1: So he was arguably, and I would argue, one of
Speaker 1: the first, if not the first underdog superhero that achieved
Speaker 1: the mainstream status he did. He was invented an Amazing
Speaker 1: Fantasy fifteen, which was the last issue of the run.
Speaker 1: So not only would they not let him put him
Speaker 1: in his own title, at first, they were like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's canceled, throwing the book. So it's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons Amazing Fantasy fifteen so hard to get is it
Speaker 1: was a low print run because they were ending amazing fantasy.
Speaker 1: So they threw this character that everybody was like spiders.
Speaker 1: Nobody like spiders. Why would we make a man out
Speaker 1: of a spider? So he was put in this fantasy run. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was then the last issue and they didn't find
Speaker 1: out how popular he was for like four months because
Speaker 1: it was the time of like waiting for receipts in
Speaker 1: print and the mail. So then they got the numbers
Speaker 1: back and it was this huge hit. So he got
Speaker 1: his own title very quickly after they found out the numbers.
Speaker 1: An Amazing Spider Man Number one took off like crazy.
Speaker 1: Spider Man has been selling very well, you know, within reason,
Speaker 1: like with with what comics were at the time, from
Speaker 1: the beginning, and it's one of the reasons that's so
Speaker 1: hard to get those older issues is people have loved
Speaker 1: him from the beginning because he represented us. He was
Speaker 1: the rare character from nineteen sixty three that was an
Speaker 1: eyeline for people reading comics. He wasn't large than life,
Speaker 1: he wasn't brooding. He was a great power meets great
Speaker 1: responsibility foil for the rest of comic books, and he
Speaker 1: was what we all wanted to be in a superhero.
Speaker 1: He still had problems, He's still had his aunt's bills
Speaker 1: to pay, He's still at all those things. So it
Speaker 1: felt the most like everyone picking up these comics, especially
Speaker 1: in the early sixties. So Spider Man was invented as
Speaker 1: a this is the last chance for us to try it.
Speaker 1: It then did really well, and then it gave a
Speaker 1: lot of credibility to Stanley and Steve Dicko do what
Speaker 1: they wanted. And that's why I think he is one
Speaker 1: of the best rogues galleries and comics, because it wasn't
Speaker 1: a hundred cooks in the kitchen. It was Stanley and
Speaker 1: Steve Dicko going like, uh, Doc, Doc, what about the
Speaker 1: Vulture and all these characters that wouldn't actually fit narratively
Speaker 1: with a lot of other superheroes. And I'd argue Spiderman
Speaker 1: and Batman have the two best rogues because they had
Speaker 1: the most foundation of trust from the public. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I'd also say I feel like one of the main,
Speaker 1: uh biggest and you know, we've I think I've brought
Speaker 1: this up with Miles and I but I think the
Speaker 1: main tent poles to Spider Man's success is and this
Speaker 1: became a line in the movie. Anyone could wear the mask.
Speaker 1: Anyone can be behind the mask. You look at Spider Man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking. You don't know what he looks like under there,
Speaker 1: you see you see you know Batman's white, you know,
Speaker 1: you know Superman's white. You know, like Spider Man, anyone
Speaker 1: could be behind the mask. So that let any kid
Speaker 1: look at the superhero and put themselves in his shoes,
Speaker 1: especially in action. So and I think that's what kind
Speaker 1: of let Spiderman just kind of soar throughout all generations.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Miles was just the icing on
Speaker 1: the cake. But at any point in time, people were
Speaker 1: able to look at Spider Man and see themselves. And
Speaker 1: that's why I like now that the Spider Verse has
Speaker 1: spread so that you have Silk and you have these
Speaker 1: other you know, now you have like female bodies behind
Speaker 1: the mask, so that you know, it kind of serves
Speaker 1: the purpose no matter your gender identity. I think also
Speaker 1: his age, I mean it really set him apart. Was
Speaker 1: like their kids reading these comics and they can relate
Speaker 1: to the fact that he's trying to cope with both
Speaker 1: of these worlds of being a kid fitting in and
Speaker 1: all of all of that trauma that comes from high
Speaker 1: cool and while also trying to save the world or
Speaker 1: you know, your friendly neighborhood spider me whatever. Um yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So uh so after that we just tackled the sixties.
Speaker 1: So Steve Deco and Stanley ran it for quite some time,
Speaker 1: and then John Remane, a senior, took over and John
Speaker 1: Remador was the artist with with a different style on Spidy.
Speaker 1: He became a little more handsome. They aged him up
Speaker 1: a little bit. He wasn't quite an adult, but he
Speaker 1: was like you know, Mary Jane's influenced and Gwen Stacy
Speaker 1: and now he's going out party in and man, those
Speaker 1: comics when you first meet Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane
Speaker 1: are crazy because they talk so late sixties early seventies,
Speaker 1: like Mary Jane does not speak English for about forty issues.
Speaker 1: There are so many like jive turkey yah, the cats
Speaker 1: me out like the face of Tiger you just hit
Speaker 1: the jackpot is iconic because it was one of the
Speaker 1: only lines that makes sense in modern for nation. Mary
Speaker 1: Jane spoke crazy and I love that because if you
Speaker 1: read these old comics, it's like every party kid was
Speaker 1: reading this book being a yeah that's what tip, yeah daddy,
Speaker 1: and you're like what were these kids on? And it
Speaker 1: really translates to the time in a way where Spider
Speaker 1: Man went from the nerd that was really good in
Speaker 1: science to meeting a girl. And this was way ahead
Speaker 1: of its time. Gwen Stacy was a scientist and his
Speaker 1: first real, real true love was Gwen Stacy. Now he dated,
Speaker 1: he liked Liz Allen, he liked Betty Brandt. He liked
Speaker 1: these like casual things. But Liz was dating Flash and
Speaker 1: that caused rivalry Flash Thompson, which is a great dynamic.
Speaker 1: Betty Brandt was at the Daily Bugle j Jon and
Speaker 1: Jamison as an icon to Spider Man, there's so much
Speaker 1: Spider Man's not not just as rogues gallery, but a
Speaker 1: supporting cast is also insanely iconic. But what Jeonomy Senior
Speaker 1: did was he brought everything to a different flavor, in
Speaker 1: different dynamic. He made it even more approachable. Because now
Speaker 1: we've loved Spider Man for forty issues. I think the
Speaker 1: last Dicko issue is thirty three, I think, so. I
Speaker 1: think Senior took over at thirty four, so we've had
Speaker 1: three years with this style, so we've already invested. So
Speaker 1: now when he's like a little more handsome. He's got
Speaker 1: a little bit more charm. Now. Everyone that's like I'm
Speaker 1: like Spider Man's like I'm a little more handsome. And
Speaker 1: I think they're starting to identify with like, oh, look
Speaker 1: at the girl he gets, look at the girl. He
Speaker 1: almost gets look at look at me? Struggling to identify
Speaker 1: with this new version of myself. And I think that's
Speaker 1: another thing about him wearing a mask is he can
Speaker 1: always evolve. And with Mary Jane, it was a cat
Speaker 1: and mouse game of she was the party girl, he
Speaker 1: was the smart guy. And Mary Jane's had a great
Speaker 1: arc and Mary Jane could be in her own movie.
Speaker 1: I swear like Mary Jane solo, I get grapped for it.
Speaker 1: But I think Mary Jane doesn't get enough credit that
Speaker 1: she matured through Gwen Stacy's death. She was a party
Speaker 1: girl that saw Peter falling apart and completely changed how
Speaker 1: she reacted to society by way of coping with Peter's loss.
Speaker 1: And I think that's an incredible arc for a character
Speaker 1: that doesn't get enough credit. They killed Gwen Stacy. Jerry Conway,
Speaker 1: who invented Punisher, keeps coming back. Um. Jerry Conway invented
Speaker 1: uh this narrative where we lost Gwen. Because fun fact,
Speaker 1: and very few people know about this, Jerry Conway was
Speaker 1: originally told to kill aunt May and he said that
Speaker 1: aunt May was the lynchpin that kept Peter grounded, so
Speaker 1: if we killed her would lose everything. It was his
Speaker 1: idea to kill Gwen Stacy. And the death of gwyn
Speaker 1: Stacy was so important. It didn't just change Spider Man,
Speaker 1: it changed comics. Comics were silver Age, which was a
Speaker 1: different size, and the format changed two months later because
Speaker 1: it changed comics forever. So the death of Gwen Stacy
Speaker 1: changed comics. Uh, and then that changed Mary James dynamic.
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off of rant, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but I want you to rant more. How specifically did
Speaker 1: it change in size? Was the Gwen Stacy issue a
Speaker 1: different size or was it so? Up until this point,
Speaker 1: they were referred to as the Silver Age of comics,
Speaker 1: and the Death of Gwen Stacy was issues one two. Uh.
Speaker 1: Punisher comes around and in between those issues. When you
Speaker 1: go to the comics store, you can buy either silver
Speaker 1: Age bags and boards or modern age bags and boards,
Speaker 1: and they're actually about a quarter inch narrower. Comics today
Speaker 1: are actually thinner and the impact that run that Jerry
Speaker 1: Conway did actually changed a before and affort for Marvel Comics,
Speaker 1: and I think then DC followed suit. But within this year,
Speaker 1: Span Comics actually changed format from size because it was
Speaker 1: so important to the comics. So it's a physical representation.
Speaker 1: And do you know why they decided to make it small.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten I like, don't want to miss quote
Speaker 1: because I've never heard a real reason, but I know
Speaker 1: it happened with Spider Man and with this time period,
Speaker 1: and I think I think everyone else is like, that's
Speaker 1: not why. But it's like, guys, look, look he did.
Speaker 1: Look over here, We're not dumb. So Gwen Stacy was
Speaker 1: the change, but no one I'll be like, you mean,
Speaker 1: like when Marvel did a post credit scene and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden other places where they were going
Speaker 1: to do it all along and someone here's an example
Speaker 1: from one movie that didn't like that didn't really count,
Speaker 1: Like in Jurassic Park, you heard the thump of feet
Speaker 1: after so yeah, like that. Yeah, So Gwen Stacy was huge,
Speaker 1: and then Mary Jane obviously came to play, and then
Speaker 1: he's also had like Black Cat and all these amazing
Speaker 1: other love interests. So I think another strength of Spider
Speaker 1: Man is that the female characters have always been a
Speaker 1: driving force and not just a supporting like name three
Speaker 1: of Batman's greatest loves, like you got Taliagule, Vicky Vl.
Speaker 1: Like there's not like a run where a Spider Man
Speaker 1: I could name like ten of important Like that was like,
Speaker 1: did like you didn't leave with Catwoman because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go daughter of very important And those
Speaker 1: are the two. I was like, that woman, I'll you
Speaker 1: went Vicky Vale. And I was like, but That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is like when you list Spiderman loves, you
Speaker 1: can listen like six or seven plus the costumed ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's it's really important to his dynamic. And I
Speaker 1: think that also makes a more approachable character, because I
Speaker 1: think women can see Spider Man way more approachably than
Speaker 1: than certain others, Like Superman to me has always been
Speaker 1: just out of reach. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: Batman is kind of womanizing, yeah, like it's part of
Speaker 1: his character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. There's like a
Speaker 1: difference in how both characters kind of court their love interest,
Speaker 1: where Batman is like I'm rich well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but also both of their families died, but one family
Speaker 1: had a lot of money. Yeah, and now it's a
Speaker 1: cover to women like Bruce kind of a dick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one thing I want to because I know we're
Speaker 1: probably not going to go deeper in Spider Man, but
Speaker 1: you brought up a good point of Mary Jane. Do
Speaker 1: you want to tell the listeners about that Mary Jane
Speaker 1: run that they had? Remember it was like, is it
Speaker 1: like Peter Loves Mary Jane or the Mayor? Well, it's beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mary Jane solo run. So Mary Jane had a
Speaker 1: great run that was like a like a soap opera.
Speaker 1: It was like this really great teen heartthrow book from
Speaker 1: her perspective. And there's been a few, like different arcs,
Speaker 1: but that's definitely a strong one to say with this
Speaker 1: manga style on, and she's very go getter and she's
Speaker 1: very self starting, and you see that she's strong because
Speaker 1: of what she went through. She also lived with her aunt,
Speaker 1: her aunt Hannah if you remember from the animated series,
Speaker 1: so she also had an abusive father. She went through
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and that that run really illustrates like
Speaker 1: how strong Mary Jane can be. And there's also a
Speaker 1: great run by Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale called Spiderman Blue,
Speaker 1: and it shows the love triangle between Gwyn and Mary
Speaker 1: and how much earlier she liked Peter and how she
Speaker 1: was dealing with him him being with Gwen, and it's
Speaker 1: this really fifties classic, almost watercolor style art. So Mary
Speaker 1: Jane when she gets the chance to be in comics
Speaker 1: always has like every creator is like, let me do
Speaker 1: the Mary Jane book. And then more recently in comics,
Speaker 1: she became the assistant to Tony Stark, so she became
Speaker 1: a pepper Pots Cave character and was running Stark Industries.
Speaker 1: So Mary Jane's a boss. She's like a runway model
Speaker 1: by night, like an entrepreneur by day. And uh, I
Speaker 1: think Zindaa's playing her is pretty great. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so great. And I love that she's been clapping
Speaker 1: back at people online that red haired eyes such a
Speaker 1: universal like that's right, yeah, oh man. So, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we do have to take a break, but you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna go into more Spider Man. We're gonna pause
Speaker 1: the Mary Jane talk and probably come back to it.
Speaker 1: When we talked to a moment in time and uh,
Speaker 1: all of that, but you know, listen to these messages
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. Welcome back to Nerdificent as
Speaker 1: always is your boy if you widy way across from me,
Speaker 1: Danny Fernandez and our dope guest koy Gen Drew, how
Speaker 1: you doing doing great? Man? Keeping out about Spidy is
Speaker 1: the spice of life. I love that you're also you
Speaker 1: and Hector are both you are competing Spider Man encyclopedic knowledge.
Speaker 1: It's I met Hector and we both had this like
Speaker 1: that like not like the Tyler dirt and not it
Speaker 1: can be only one, but he always comes on. When
Speaker 1: he's on, he says the same thing kind of that
Speaker 1: if he was saying is for why he gravitated towards
Speaker 1: Spider Man because he's brown and he was like I,
Speaker 1: it was the one character that I could pretend that
Speaker 1: I was, um so yeah. But a lot of spiderheads,
Speaker 1: well what's interesting is is uh, I mean spoiler alert Internet,
Speaker 1: I'm a white guy. But if you've never seen me.
Speaker 1: But what I always found interesting about Spiderman is I
Speaker 1: look more like Flash Thompson. Uh, and I and I
Speaker 1: love Peter Parker, like my nest is very actually, uh,
Speaker 1: this is probably India long Enough actually went out for
Speaker 1: Flash in the Andrew Garfield version, Like I am a
Speaker 1: Flash type. So it's always been interesting that I registered
Speaker 1: with Spider Man so much because I've always felt way
Speaker 1: more like him than anyone else in the space and
Speaker 1: and it's such a different type of But now Flash
Speaker 1: is brown. But now Tony, it is so interesting so
Speaker 1: many because now because I because I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was the episode you're on, but I auditioned for
Speaker 1: Cyborg and so it's like now people can fan fancasting
Speaker 1: what would look like if Coy was Flash. Dude, me
Speaker 1: and Tony actually brought out at this Cherry event. We
Speaker 1: were both like, Yo, what would your Flash do in
Speaker 1: this situation? What would your Flash do? And we had
Speaker 1: like a what off what if off? And it was
Speaker 1: the most amazingly geeky thing. I remember, like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: think I'd handled this this way if I was the Flash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean speak before we jump back in the Spider Man.
Speaker 1: When that new Netflix show what If, I got excited
Speaker 1: for a second that they were going to do like
Speaker 1: Marvel what ifs. That is like a show that I
Speaker 1: will to doom do Doom break, but they are on
Speaker 1: Disney Plus. Disney Plus. It's gonna be on Disney Plus. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's coming animated, text my manager. The first one is
Speaker 1: of Peggy Carter wheelded the shield instead a cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy. That's gonna be What if? It
Speaker 1: was such a fun concept and I I think they're
Speaker 1: going to do the cool stuff first, but I can't
Speaker 1: wait till it gets to like the goofy stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if Deadpool had got hit with a Gamma ray?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, Deadpool wielding and stuff running around before
Speaker 1: we hop into the animated series, which was a huge thing.
Speaker 1: What are some key points in the comics that people
Speaker 1: should I know. We could talk about the comics for
Speaker 1: four hours, literally as long as the Internet on. I
Speaker 1: could talk about Spider Man, but I mean, like, what
Speaker 1: are some key points that people need to know that
Speaker 1: happened to him in the comics. Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: actually crazy, guys. I I was unavailable and then suddenly
Speaker 1: was able to join this and I want to let
Speaker 1: the Internet know that I have a note in my
Speaker 1: phone un prepped tend to finding Spiderman arcs because I
Speaker 1: lived this life. So let the record show. This was
Speaker 1: just in case. I'm what I did. We did as
Speaker 1: COI I hit coy up at the last minute. I
Speaker 1: think today did I have you today? I asked you
Speaker 1: this morning to come on this podcast. Um, and I
Speaker 1: love that you already had notes prepared just in case
Speaker 1: someone asked you to be on a podcast about Spider Man,
Speaker 1: because people ask me on the street all the time.
Speaker 1: So I literally this note was written June. I say,
Speaker 1: tend to finding moments and arcs. Amazing Spider Man thirty
Speaker 1: three is the moment that they may earn. A lot
Speaker 1: of the art is the him lifting up the building,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's him showing that like strength doesn't
Speaker 1: get you everywhere, it's will power. It's it's the will
Speaker 1: to keep going. That's such a Spider Man moment. Amazing
Speaker 1: spider Man one two, the death of Gen Stacy, as
Speaker 1: I said, changed comics forever. Amazing to forty eight is
Speaker 1: uh the kid who collects Spider Man. It is a
Speaker 1: single issue that will break your heart ten ways from Sunday.
Speaker 1: It is about a boy who's basically a Make a
Speaker 1: Wish kid that Spider Man goes to visit and shares
Speaker 1: his last day with him going on adventures before he passes,
Speaker 1: and it's powerful any and spoiler alert. Unmasks in front
Speaker 1: of the kid and like, let's him know he's Peter
Speaker 1: Parker and that he's there with him, and it's it's
Speaker 1: truly the heart of what Spider Man is and it's
Speaker 1: it's so incredible. Craven's Last Hunt is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite mini series. Craven's Last Hunt is brutal and dark
Speaker 1: and shows the other side of Spider Man. Amazing two
Speaker 1: fifty two is when the Black Costume comes to the mainstream.
Speaker 1: The black costume that will become them, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll dive into, was introduced in Secre Wars number eight,
Speaker 1: but then translated into the mainstream in to fifty two.
Speaker 1: Amazing Spider Man Volume two, number thirty to thirty seven
Speaker 1: is the first uh Spider Man going back to school
Speaker 1: as a teacher. It's this really great run where you
Speaker 1: see Peter as like the leader as an adult, still
Speaker 1: not Tony Stark, which struve me not when Dan Slot
Speaker 1: did that, but that's another conversation, but him as an adult.
Speaker 1: It's Strazynski run, which is about the Spider Totem, which
Speaker 1: lays the groundwork way back into thousand one for the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse, which is the movie you see now. So
Speaker 1: eighteen years of round work two thousand and one and
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing, uh Spider Man did to reflect the
Speaker 1: horrible thing that happened to thousand one was when the
Speaker 1: Twin Towers went down. Instead of just publishing as normal,
Speaker 1: they interrupted their run and did an entire issue about
Speaker 1: villains and heroes teaming up to clean up New York City,
Speaker 1: and they show the Towers going down. So Spiderman is
Speaker 1: one of the few heroes that addressed the terrorist attacks
Speaker 1: head on. And it's a really beautiful issue, and it's
Speaker 1: an all black cover. It's it's really special and that's
Speaker 1: his city. Yeah, and that's that's He's such a part
Speaker 1: of the Spider Man is such a part of New
Speaker 1: York and vice versa that I love that they like
Speaker 1: use Spider Man to be like, hey, we won't stand
Speaker 1: for this. So that's issue thirty six. Within that run
Speaker 1: Ultimate Spider Man, any of them, but especially one through thirteen,
Speaker 1: they did a hunter than thirty three issues. That's the
Speaker 1: longest run between a creator, the writer and an artist
Speaker 1: of all time, the longest colab between Mark Bagley and Vendice.
Speaker 1: They have the record now and anything in that run
Speaker 1: is great. Um, amazing. Spider Man five forty three is
Speaker 1: great and to nine and two thirty is him against
Speaker 1: the Juggernaut. H nothing can stop the Juggernaut is a
Speaker 1: fantastic run. So those are my top ten. I think
Speaker 1: definding moments and just in my phone Lee the nerdiest
Speaker 1: moment I've gotten to be Like, Yo, got this note? Well,
Speaker 1: met gave everyone everything they needed. Also, I just wrote
Speaker 1: down the numbers and the rest are from memory. So
Speaker 1: if I forgot your name at a party, it's because
Speaker 1: I've stored this in my head joke. Uh. So I
Speaker 1: think those are good places to jump on. And actually, um,
Speaker 1: this is Tuesday, I can say we had Jake Jillen
Speaker 1: Hall on my show Comic Book Shopping, and we go
Speaker 1: over some of my favorite runs of Spider Man. So
Speaker 1: there's actually a bunch of breakdowns of some those titles
Speaker 1: and why I think they're important to the mythos. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's cool to hear Jake's perspective on Spider Man
Speaker 1: because he's mysterio. Also interesting because it has to do
Speaker 1: with like an alternate universe, and Jake Joan Hall was
Speaker 1: in a movie that dealt with an alternate universe in
Speaker 1: Donnie Darko. That's right, an alternate universe, wasn't Spider Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you go. There is spiderse Well six degrees
Speaker 1: zero degrees, zero degrees, and Jake joe On Hall did
Speaker 1: a Netflix original movie called Velvet Bus Saw and John
Speaker 1: Burnhal is Netflix zero degrees, zero degrees, zero degrees, we
Speaker 1: did it. So talking about the animated series, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it looks like that during a while the X Men
Speaker 1: animated series was being produced by Sabon, Spiderman was actually
Speaker 1: being produced by newly formed Marvel Films Animation, and it
Speaker 1: was the only series that had in house studio production,
Speaker 1: but it was animated by the TMS Kikuchi Corporation and
Speaker 1: Coco Enterprises. So so like that it seems like they
Speaker 1: were developing it in house like animation while they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, i'll do it, we'll start out later. And
Speaker 1: then also Animal Sam Uh Sam Juan and Soul Movie
Speaker 1: did additional animation for the series, although they were uncredited,
Speaker 1: so that to me it sounds like too many animations.
Speaker 1: Not the best side uncredited animation yeah. Yeah. It ran
Speaker 1: from ninety four on Fox Kids Network and then later
Speaker 1: on Tune Disney. Oh my god, Tone Disney Disney, Yes, Bunkers,
Speaker 1: yeah uh in Disney XD, which now has the Spider
Speaker 1: Verse essentially as Miles, Moralice and Spider Gwen and and
Speaker 1: all have had their benefits, Like all the shows have
Speaker 1: had their strengths and weaknesses. I think Spidy has been
Speaker 1: a more consistent animated character. What was great too, we
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this when we did the
Speaker 1: X Man Animated series episode. I think that's the one
Speaker 1: we did. Um is how the animated shows were pretty
Speaker 1: true to the comics. Get like even just with the
Speaker 1: Venom arc with more bus all, like, it really brought
Speaker 1: in these characters in a that really honored like the page.
Speaker 1: There was a multiverse like back then whatever, there was
Speaker 1: a multiverse where we met other Peter Parker's another Spider Man,
Speaker 1: so you know, into the Spider Verse taught kids quantum theory,
Speaker 1: which is crazy, but that taught the multiverse concepts way
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. So Spider Man has always been
Speaker 1: weirdly ahead of the curve by like hey guys, children,
Speaker 1: trust me, you'll like this storyline and then it gets weird. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like that was just a lot of animated
Speaker 1: shows in the nineties where they're like, look, we know
Speaker 1: your kids, but we also know you can handle this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we know you'll appreciate this adult watching with your children.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, I I remember watching, uh that that
Speaker 1: show for so long. And hankas Area, uh the Simpsons
Speaker 1: Thespian is actually venom, which blew my mind. Mind well,
Speaker 1: and Mark Hamill is Hobgoblin. Didn't know that, and Ed
Speaker 1: Asner is in it, he plays J. J. James. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah, that's that's wild. Another iconic jone. Uh,
Speaker 1: because J K. Simmons in the sam Rami Spider Man
Speaker 1: is like such a such a bar like the same
Speaker 1: Rami Spider Man's. I like the same Ramy Spiderman's But
Speaker 1: I think I I am in the minority that I
Speaker 1: don't rewatch them often their piece of the time. But
Speaker 1: I the new ones are really where the Spider Man
Speaker 1: is in my heart. Like I love how much people
Speaker 1: love the same Ramy ones. But to me, Toby was
Speaker 1: never fully Spider Man, and I think Tom Holland is
Speaker 1: fully freaking Spider Man. When I met him for press,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not talking to a human, I'm
Speaker 1: talking to a Spider Man and three D and that's
Speaker 1: that's that goes against all of my like l a
Speaker 1: instinct Where'm like separate the actor from the role. And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no no, Spiderman's over there. Did you
Speaker 1: see that clip of him with Tom Hanks? And it
Speaker 1: was so funny that he was like having a Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he when he acts, he's an accent as American
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, by the way, did you forget
Speaker 1: you're from London? Bro? Yeah? It was so funny. But
Speaker 1: he's so used to having to act like an American
Speaker 1: high school acting hat. He's like how do I? And
Speaker 1: I just feel like Tom Holland. I think all three
Speaker 1: of the live action, the mainstream live action Spiderman have
Speaker 1: their strengths, but Tom Holland flips into frame like Tom
Speaker 1: Holland has been training for this since he was born,
Speaker 1: and I just it's him through and through. And I
Speaker 1: think Andrew Garfield was was a really underappreciated, like he
Speaker 1: never got good right. Had we gotten the right movies
Speaker 1: for Andrew, it would have been a different story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also didn't have the same because Tom Holland has
Speaker 1: the advantage of being behind like he got to be
Speaker 1: in Civil War. He got to have like all this
Speaker 1: entire cast behind him of like Iron Man, Captain America,
Speaker 1: like everything leading up to this, whereas the other Spider
Speaker 1: Man's didn't. Yeah, I feel like what really kind of
Speaker 1: like Andrew Garfield really did have the middle child syndrome
Speaker 1: because everything he did was compared to Toby, and Toby
Speaker 1: had that great kind of like locked in first two
Speaker 1: movies that everyone loved. Everyone look read I personally really
Speaker 1: loved one. I need to go back and watch two
Speaker 1: because I remember not enjoying it and everyone's like, that's
Speaker 1: the best one. And I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like for some reason, and I think I was really
Speaker 1: caught up on him revealing himself as Spider Man and
Speaker 1: Mary Jane like, for me, like the best Spider Man
Speaker 1: story is when she doesn't know. And I think, like,
Speaker 1: because this came out when we were like teenagers, so
Speaker 1: like that sounds like a dumb teenager thing to be
Speaker 1: Like he told Mary Jane, this sucks not fully missing
Speaker 1: that there, that's a huge chunk of Spider Man. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I didn't like. I love the
Speaker 1: iconography of the scene with the train, but I'm also
Speaker 1: like y like whenever he's like carrying him like Jesus down,
Speaker 1: Like I get it. And then the visual medium but like,
Speaker 1: but remember there's that like no one's gonna tell yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna find like you might find good
Speaker 1: New Yorkers. I love New Yorkers, but you're not going
Speaker 1: to find a hundred good news who's not going to
Speaker 1: reveal Spider Man at j Jonah Jameson who you know
Speaker 1: has like a full hundred thousand dollars on the identity
Speaker 1: on Spider Man's idea if you're taking public transit mid
Speaker 1: day and you're stuck and you're mad, you're gonna profit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, You're like, I'm gonna make some money. So
Speaker 1: that bothered me a bit still this day when I
Speaker 1: think of that image and he's like making fart face,
Speaker 1: bro your mask. You know, everyone took out their razor
Speaker 1: phones and like, what's this eight bit image? No, Kia
Speaker 1: egg I would love it if that's the justification. They're
Speaker 1: like they're like white male between the ages of sixteen
Speaker 1: and sixty, brown hair in New York great Back to
Speaker 1: the d be anyone from Toby Maguire to Jack Jillenhall
Speaker 1: or the other white actors playing. Yeah, I guess you know,
Speaker 1: this is a good time to pivot into a discussion
Speaker 1: about the movies, because you know, the animated series was great.
Speaker 1: We kind of, I feel like, touched on it on
Speaker 1: the most so it's so accurate, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's really tricky to dive into because the only thing
Speaker 1: it did wrong was it was a product of censorship.
Speaker 1: So if you watch them, they punish or doesn't use
Speaker 1: guns us as a laser gun. Well, that's one thing
Speaker 1: I was noticing is they only use realistic guns in flashbacks,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, what is the rule on that? Like
Speaker 1: if in that past it's a lot like what some
Speaker 1: sensors like, as long as the present day is environment,
Speaker 1: it might get the wrong idea. The only thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't like, Yeah, so we were right. It was
Speaker 1: set in his college years at Empire State University, and
Speaker 1: I kind of wish that it was I like his
Speaker 1: high school run and I think that's why Tom Holland
Speaker 1: speaks he's the Harry Potter run. Like we're getting that
Speaker 1: growth into spider Yeah, whereas Ad Puberty. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: feel like the animated series he was awkward, but he
Speaker 1: was not quite there. And I wanted there to be
Speaker 1: a time in the live action films where Toby lived there.
Speaker 1: But I feel like when we met him in the
Speaker 1: first movie, everyone was already like CW high school, not
Speaker 1: real high school, and that was a struggle. So I
Speaker 1: feel like the animated series is damn near perfect. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to really touch on because it covered the
Speaker 1: Clones saga, covered multiverses, It covered villains that we've never
Speaker 1: seen translated to film. It covered so much of what
Speaker 1: makes Spider Man tick, and it ran long enough that
Speaker 1: we actually got to appreciate. I think it was like
Speaker 1: six years. It was four years. Four years, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, it felt like for uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's hop into the film. So we had the
Speaker 1: first one with, like you said, with Toby maguire. Also,
Speaker 1: before we get into Toby, we should talk about the
Speaker 1: James Cameron almost Spiderman movie. Do you guys have any
Speaker 1: of that? James Cameron was making a Spider Man movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be a James Cameron Spiderman with
Speaker 1: Arnold Schwartzenegger as Otto Actavius and then you're going to
Speaker 1: say Peter Parker with grand Power, but no, I love that.
Speaker 1: There was almost that movie, and he was like, I think,
Speaker 1: fresh off true Lies, who was going to be Peter Parker?
Speaker 1: I remember would have been back then like Leo Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: That was the parody I remember. Okay, so the word parody,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it meant. So Wizard Magazine, do
Speaker 1: you guys remember Wizard magazine. Wizard Magazine was like entertainment
Speaker 1: weekly for nerds. It was like what the public, It's
Speaker 1: got a trade Uh, it's got news in the back
Speaker 1: it as a price guide, and Wizard ran a full
Speaker 1: page ad that in the small tiny print said parody
Speaker 1: underneath all the billing, but it was this painted image
Speaker 1: of of Leo as Spiderman. It's a James Camp Presents.
Speaker 1: So for like three months, I was like, I know
Speaker 1: a secret, they're making a Spider Man movie. And it
Speaker 1: was until I showed my dad and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so parody means it's it's a spoof. And it
Speaker 1: broke my heart and I'll never forgive, Like I'm still
Speaker 1: upset about it, like to this day, did you not
Speaker 1: read Mad Magazine? I didn't. It was in a print
Speaker 1: magazine that wasn't usually jokes like Mad Magazine, Wizard like
Speaker 1: this is the news. I feel like if Time like
Speaker 1: it was time for me as a kid, Like if
Speaker 1: Time Magazine is like yo, Leo Spider Man, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, Leo Spider Man. So it broke my heart.
Speaker 1: But back then I think they had like a Michael J.
Speaker 1: Fox type or something. Um. But Arnold was going to
Speaker 1: be Auto and it was this crazy thing where like
Speaker 1: Auto and Spidy were both bit by the Spider. It's
Speaker 1: written where there's like this crazy drug trip and he
Speaker 1: like wakes up and like gets It's one of the
Speaker 1: craziest scripts every and you can find it online. You
Speaker 1: can google it. So before Toby was Spider Man, you
Speaker 1: should read about Auto and he says Ultra woos a
Speaker 1: lot and okey dokey ten times. You know it would
Speaker 1: be funny is if if Tom Holland has gets to
Speaker 1: see himself in the future and it's current Daily Arto DiCaprio,
Speaker 1: I'll like it happened. The parody is real, that's what. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's like into the Spider Verse when you set anyways,
Speaker 1: Toby McGuire. Um, uh, yeah, So Spider Man had a trilogy,
Speaker 1: the Sam Raimi ones that were starring Toby McGuire. The
Speaker 1: first one came out May third, two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal summer movie like we have now.
Speaker 1: And also I just want to remind people that were
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure getting a trilogy like whenever I said
Speaker 1: that during Infinity War when Tom Holland disappeared, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he has a trilogy contract. Everybody, It's okay, he's coming back.
Speaker 1: He spoiler alert, spoiler home and then it's going to
Speaker 1: be as another Home related one. But anyways, that's what
Speaker 1: happens in the movies. They get these trilogy contracts. Anyways,
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, did you see it in the theaters?
Speaker 1: It was the movie at the time I had seen
Speaker 1: most in theaters. Um. I was a wee lad of fourteen. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I man, I love that movie. I had just
Speaker 1: gotten a job, I think very recently, as like a
Speaker 1: paper boy or something something like kids can do. And
Speaker 1: I spent so much money going back and seeing Spiderman
Speaker 1: over and over again. And I loved Norman Osborne. I
Speaker 1: thought that, like, that's how I discovered William to Foe,
Speaker 1: That's how I discovered like that type of filmmaking. Dude,
Speaker 1: the moment they're having the Thanksgiving scene, Uh, I've I've
Speaker 1: to this day, I think that's one of the only
Speaker 1: movies that should be conduted with a Thanksgiving movie. Like
Speaker 1: everybody's got their Christmas movies, every got their Fourth July movies. Goddamnit,
Speaker 1: Spider Man's a Thanksgiving film. Give it the holiday it deserves.
Speaker 1: And there was subtle stuff in it, like Spider Man's
Speaker 1: wearing Norman Osborne's colors and Norman's wearing Spiderman's colors that scene,
Speaker 1: And it was when I first started seeing details in
Speaker 1: film like that, and I started seeing like, you know,
Speaker 1: like little Nuance and uh. I always thought that that
Speaker 1: was a really good way for kids to translate in
Speaker 1: the comics because they did that Power Ranger green green
Speaker 1: Goblin suit, which I hated, but it made it really
Speaker 1: a coachable for toys, and to this day, like J. K.
Speaker 1: Simmons is, Jonah is one of the best characters in
Speaker 1: any comic film, like Hard Stop. So I loved it.
Speaker 1: I thought they did a really good job. I love
Speaker 1: that Jim and Gilianos now a D and D NERD
Speaker 1: and he played Flash like that. That really makes me happy. Um,
Speaker 1: But those first three we were really good for their time.
Speaker 1: But I think that we have let some nostalgia tied
Speaker 1: into them. Like I never got into the camp be
Speaker 1: Sam Raimi flavors much a lot of people. And this
Speaker 1: isn't disparaging people that love it. I just it's not
Speaker 1: my Spider Man. It was he got Peter Parker down,
Speaker 1: but I never felt like Spider Man was fully on screen. Nice.
Speaker 1: We got two more trilogies or one one alleged trilogies
Speaker 1: from the from the voice of Danny Fernandez, Uh to
Speaker 1: get into. But first we gotta hit breaks one more time,
Speaker 1: one last time, and we're gonna get into the last
Speaker 1: two trilogies and then kind of talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the future Spider Man, what we think is going to happen,
Speaker 1: things that were excited about, and maybe we'll even talk
Speaker 1: about that video game and the Broadway musical. No, we'll
Speaker 1: skip that turn. No, right after these messages and welcome back,
Speaker 1: it is your boy here once again. It's what the
Speaker 1: same folks. Danny Fernandez right across me and row flinging.
Speaker 1: Webb's yeah, yeah, the whip that that's like the one
Speaker 1: like agreed upon web sound. He gets an automopia. He
Speaker 1: gets one, and it's allowed. Also, I want to say
Speaker 1: before we leave the webbing, I've always loved that Spider
Speaker 1: Man is so underdog and so mortal that he runs
Speaker 1: out of web fluid. I love I'm a mechanical Webshooters guy.
Speaker 1: I think organic adds a certain level of sensuality that
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable. But I think the webbing is a
Speaker 1: cool thing that he can run out of because it
Speaker 1: makes me more human because when he runs out of webbing,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm just falling, And that's always made him endearing.
Speaker 1: When you were talking about the comic, what was the
Speaker 1: commentary that you were saying it was It wasn't just
Speaker 1: about how they've reflected in montrefl It wasn't just about strength.
Speaker 1: Is about willpower, Like he had the strength, but he
Speaker 1: didn't He didn't have the strength, but he had the willpower.
Speaker 1: And that comes back to what Tony Stark told him
Speaker 1: in Homecoming, which was if you if you're nothing without
Speaker 1: the suit, you shouldn't happen and they keep And I
Speaker 1: love that the new Marvel trilogy is able to reflect
Speaker 1: power and responsibility about saying it. They're able to reflect
Speaker 1: that without saying like they're able to be like these
Speaker 1: are the lessons. But I do want to give that
Speaker 1: one fun factoid about great power and responsibility that when
Speaker 1: it was originally a text box on the last panel
Speaker 1: of his first appearance, and then it was attributed to
Speaker 1: Uncle Ben, which is a fun thing that they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: check that out. I have something for us. Oh there's
Speaker 1: the Magic Spider Man, Spider Man, a spider game, any
Speaker 1: side cat just like guys, I'm just fire Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the good stuff, right. They didn't even talk about
Speaker 1: that cartoon. That cartoon also amazing and when before we
Speaker 1: leave the original trilogy, Alfred Molina as do Cock is
Speaker 1: one of the best performances of the hundred superhero movies
Speaker 1: we have now, Alfred Malinas dot Cock is amongst the
Speaker 1: best villains. We got to hang out with Alfred Malina
Speaker 1: as well at the Yeah so Octavious, Uh yeah, So
Speaker 1: moving on to Andrew Garfields. Uh, and that came out
Speaker 1: the amazing Spider Man that came out in directed by
Speaker 1: Mark Webb. Yeah, like we were saying, it wasn't as
Speaker 1: received as well, it was too soon after how much
Speaker 1: people loved Toby and Spider Man three had a lot
Speaker 1: of problems, but it made a lot of money, so
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't the best movie, it certainly was
Speaker 1: seen by everyone. So I don't think it really helped
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield that he was following up a beloved two
Speaker 1: and a half movies. The Sandman in Spiderman reasoncredible. They
Speaker 1: just the studio made him put venom in it, and
Speaker 1: Toby and tofor that was but Amazing Spider Man I
Speaker 1: think suffered from too many cooks, way too many people
Speaker 1: were working on it. I love. I think the comedy
Speaker 1: when he's in characters some of the best because they
Speaker 1: had stand up comedians do punch ups on both Amazing
Speaker 1: Spiderman one and two. In spite he's quipy as hell,
Speaker 1: he's great, but you're never really invested in the Lizard.
Speaker 1: You're never really invested in Jamie Fox's Smurf, Like, you're
Speaker 1: never really there, so you can't care about the hero
Speaker 1: if you don't like care about the villain. And that's
Speaker 1: what Netflix learned with Kingpin and Punisher and all these things.
Speaker 1: When you've got a good villain, you've got a better hero.
Speaker 1: And the amazing Spider Man franchise never gave us that.
Speaker 1: The love story between Gwen and Peter is some of
Speaker 1: the best stuff we've seen. When she does spoiler when
Speaker 1: she dies in Spider Man two, that moment is straight
Speaker 1: out of the comics, to the point where she dies
Speaker 1: an amazing Spiderman number one and as she falls down
Speaker 1: the clock tower, the clock stops at like they paid attention.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. But if you don't care about the villain, again,
Speaker 1: why are we here? Like dand Hans Harry Osborne is weird? Uh?
Speaker 1: Norman Osborne's in the Jar was dumb. The post credit
Speaker 1: scene where his parents came back that they deleted and
Speaker 1: they brought back like that's a mess. But I will
Speaker 1: say Mark Webb directed the best use of the Z
Speaker 1: axis I've ever seen them do with Spider Man. Like
Speaker 1: it was a three D shot film, so I didn't
Speaker 1: just have the X and Y, I didn't just have
Speaker 1: the longitude and logitude, latitude and longitude. It actually used
Speaker 1: depth of field really well. So when you watch that movie,
Speaker 1: you actually see Spider Man go in the depth of
Speaker 1: the frame and out towards you in a way that
Speaker 1: really captures his movement. Well, so I'll give the amazing
Speaker 1: Spider Man duo the credit for the z axis use
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Before we move on to Tom Holland, I
Speaker 1: do have to talk about the Broadway musical Spider Man
Speaker 1: Turn Off the Dark from What do you remember of that?
Speaker 1: This was like kind of all over the news and
Speaker 1: not the best ways. But everyone got hurt, remember Melon
Speaker 1: injured themselves. I remember being like, oh, okay, technology is
Speaker 1: not as far as I was afraid. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: that was one of my like oh, because I remember
Speaker 1: there being like like Spider Man, it was real and
Speaker 1: people on ropes and swinging, and then everyone got hurt
Speaker 1: and Broadway I was like, Okay, we're not in the
Speaker 1: future yet people are still so the music and lyrics
Speaker 1: were written by Bono and The Edge from You Too.
Speaker 1: In case you didn't know, it's currently the most expensive
Speaker 1: musical and Broadway history. It cush seventy million, probably some
Speaker 1: of that in addition, the show's unusually high running costs
Speaker 1: are reported. I've been around one point two million per week,
Speaker 1: probably because they were paying out workers. Calm, oh my god,
Speaker 1: one point to a week. Yeah, I don't it's it's
Speaker 1: uh interestingly unmemorable, except for us all cringing when we
Speaker 1: talk about it, which is really unfortunate. Okay, moving on
Speaker 1: to a Civil War. We popped in Tom Holland and
Speaker 1: we talked about on the Punisher episode that are good friend.
Speaker 1: John burn Thal helped Tom Holland audition for Spider Man.
Speaker 1: We should also note that Tom Holland also loves puppies
Speaker 1: as much as John burnthall loves holding dogs, so there's
Speaker 1: another crossover for your dog lovers. You go. I think
Speaker 1: that the moment in Civil War where we see Peter
Speaker 1: Parker carrying a used VCR no I used DVD player
Speaker 1: up the stairs is the moment our true Spider Man
Speaker 1: was born. Uh. There's something so iconically Spider Man about
Speaker 1: like taking something apart from parts, selling something, coming into
Speaker 1: Aunt May and just being you know in that in
Speaker 1: that mix. Uh. To me, he's been Spiderman since his
Speaker 1: nerdy shirt, Like he's just Tom Holland gets it. He
Speaker 1: he actively is an acrobat. He's actually very like nerdy
Speaker 1: but endearing. He's got that, he's got Dick co from
Speaker 1: the O G and John Im the Senior. He's this
Speaker 1: perfect amalgamation of like all the best, he's the greatest.
Speaker 1: It's of Spider He's he's now that's what I call
Speaker 1: Spider Man, and I love that, Like he's just everything
Speaker 1: and the villains are great, and you really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: In Homecoming, we're invested in Michael Keaton's Vulture so much
Speaker 1: that the scene in the car this scenes one of
Speaker 1: the best villain scenes ever and they're both and the
Speaker 1: scene where he overpowers him from across the room and
Speaker 1: effectively has the goblin glidder use of the wings like
Speaker 1: they're able to to subvert tropes while also giving us
Speaker 1: comic nods while also surprising both casual fans and comic
Speaker 1: I think his most Peter Parker moment is when he
Speaker 1: saves him when he's about to catch on fire, when
Speaker 1: the whole plane and everything crashes. He like runs over
Speaker 1: and like still pulls him out. That's the most and
Speaker 1: then he leaves a cute little note. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like the most Peter Parker's Spider Man thing. It's I personally,
Speaker 1: Tom Hollands, my Spidy and I think that this franchise,
Speaker 1: we're in really good hands and he's young enough to
Speaker 1: do it for you know, however long we get him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait till he grows up and does college change.
Speaker 1: Like we can have su then we can have the
Speaker 1: Scherzynski run later, we can do all these things because
Speaker 1: right now he's our little ultimate Spider Man. He can
Speaker 1: grow up into like married to Mary Jane, and then
Speaker 1: Venom can come into the wait And I have another
Speaker 1: ultimate Peter Parker moment is when he when Tony Stark
Speaker 1: asked him to join officially and he says no. If
Speaker 1: he says if it means that he has to come
Speaker 1: and live here, then he says no, and he's like oh.
Speaker 1: And then he turns around and was like, oh, is
Speaker 1: this a test? And he was like yeah. And then
Speaker 1: there's like all the people in the press that we're
Speaker 1: waiting for him. I love that it's those writers in
Speaker 1: that team really get Spider Man, and I think I
Speaker 1: think we're living in a golden age of Spider Man.
Speaker 1: We've got the video game what, we've got the movies
Speaker 1: that are iconic and amazing. We've got the Spider Verse.
Speaker 1: We've got they're doing a TV show and a sequel
Speaker 1: to Spider Verse. We're gonna have televised and theatrical Spider
Speaker 1: Verse content coming up, and a sequel to the game.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, like there's literally a boundless
Speaker 1: Spiderman content and currently the comics are amazing. Nick Spencer's
Speaker 1: writing amazing Spiderman. The main title. Chips at Arski's writing
Speaker 1: a thing called life Story that's actually even reading it.
Speaker 1: It takes place in the different decades, but he ages,
Speaker 1: So it starts in the sixties and he's a kid,
Speaker 1: and then in the seventies season his twenties, and the
Speaker 1: eighties in his thirties, Like, it actually ages with time,
Speaker 1: and so all the continuity is fair games. You can
Speaker 1: play around with mythology. It's brilliant. So that's another run.
Speaker 1: We've got some great stuff from like side, Spiderman's the
Speaker 1: best he's ever been I think right now, and that's
Speaker 1: hard to say with the character from the sixties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as well, I did want to touch on the Spiderman
Speaker 1: game because our former guests Sam Mag's actually worked on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, Sam, uh, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: worked on it. She also interviewed on a show that
Speaker 1: I did at Notrdice just into Chew, who's the art
Speaker 1: director um and then Kelsey Beecham was one of the writers.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of women that worked on and
Speaker 1: I thought that was super dope. Over and SAWNI acts
Speaker 1: Mary Jane got to be a character, like you actually
Speaker 1: got to be Mary Jane. You actually got to see
Speaker 1: her perspective. You could tell women were involved, and I
Speaker 1: love that. I also that game, my buddy URI's the
Speaker 1: voice of Spider Man, so I had a really cool
Speaker 1: moment where I got to scroll through Facebook and see
Speaker 1: him announce you as Spider Man. So I got to
Speaker 1: be like my buddy Spiderman according to Facebook, which is
Speaker 1: a weird real life moment. Yuri is Spider Man, Like
Speaker 1: his voice was so perfect. He actually recorded multiple takes
Speaker 1: of everyone depending on exertion, so he was running around
Speaker 1: his sound booth like and like swinging and getting different takes.
Speaker 1: And I love that that translates to the game. One
Speaker 1: of the guys that go to Bringing Man with Kingpin,
Speaker 1: Like that game is is so well cast well executed.
Speaker 1: Just swinging around you can do that for days, Like
Speaker 1: I I've a percent of that game, but I still
Speaker 1: play because I just love swinging around New York. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the That's kind of how it was when the
Speaker 1: original Trilogy Spider Man movie game came out, because that
Speaker 1: one was good. It was and I think everyone it
Speaker 1: agree and it was like the one that everyone was like,
Speaker 1: I wish there was one as good as this, and
Speaker 1: then Insomniac knocked it up the part. The last game
Speaker 1: I played before this game was Spiderman on PS two
Speaker 1: and Ultimate Spiderman MPs two. I didn't buy a p
Speaker 1: S three. I bought a PS four Spiderman Edition four
Speaker 1: spider Man, and I unfortunately haven't opened a single other
Speaker 1: PS four games, So I spent four d and thirty
Speaker 1: dollars in Spiderman. I haven't touched a console in between
Speaker 1: Spider Man. It's a problem, y'all. We should note one
Speaker 1: other voice actor or actor that voice Spider Man was
Speaker 1: Jake Johnson. Obviously Spiderman into the Spider Verse, and I
Speaker 1: think that duld version of Peter Parker, it's so good
Speaker 1: like and I never if you told me, like ten
Speaker 1: years ago or five years ago, when I kne who
Speaker 1: Jake Johnson, Like, what are you talking about and then
Speaker 1: he just is he's so like yeah, him and New
Speaker 1: Girls deaf. I could see him being like an older
Speaker 1: Spider Man. Yeah, I wouldn't have before, but now that's
Speaker 1: all I hear. You know what I mean? Like, if
Speaker 1: you don't, if you'd said that we're going to be
Speaker 1: a multiverse Spider Man movie with Nicholas Cage of Spiderman,
Speaker 1: Jake John like that sounds awful, sounds like Batman and Robin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then it turned out to be one of the
Speaker 1: most authentic representations of the character in any medium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love into the Spider Verse. It was my
Speaker 1: number one movie from last year's Yeah, I didn't think
Speaker 1: Infinity Work could beaten and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you made perfection cool. That was interesting, Like for it
Speaker 1: to come after Infinity War was kind of like risky,
Speaker 1: but that's just what they were like, you're gonna dig this,
Speaker 1: and we did because they can bind multiple comic runs,
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Green Goblins in there, and then you have
Speaker 1: got sin Kevitch's Kingpin, which is like a painted style.
Speaker 1: You've got a tombstone, which we've never seen in another medium.
Speaker 1: Inside the comics. It really captured all the deep cut
Speaker 1: Spidy stuff and translated it to the mainstream and Penny
Speaker 1: and the anime style, Gerard gerarda Way's creation, My Chemical
Speaker 1: Romance and Spider Man, and of course we have Spider
Speaker 1: Ham voiced by John mulaney, which has been around for
Speaker 1: shockingly long since the seventies. I think it was so
Speaker 1: Spider Ham is an O G spidy character, which is
Speaker 1: just insane in itself. And I you know, the sequel
Speaker 1: and the show, like I could see it just going
Speaker 1: on forever and we could live in this this insane
Speaker 1: Spidy stuff. We are going to get a Spider Gwen, Yes,
Speaker 1: one that will also have the silk Um and spiders.
Speaker 1: Spider Spider Woman will be in it. I've heard, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all of them, all the Spidies. And that's what's so
Speaker 1: cool about the characters you were talking about. The mask.
Speaker 1: It literally is one of the most iconic costumes, to
Speaker 1: the point where even if they change everything, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a Spider person. Yeah, and that's crazy, Like the
Speaker 1: color can change, the design considers a Spider person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's already an investment. You're like, whatever that
Speaker 1: character is here some money. Yeah, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: so cool and and we we briefly touched on the villains,
Speaker 1: but like the legacy of the villains. You've got all
Speaker 1: the goblins, you've got all the animal based ones, you've
Speaker 1: got all the symbian's, you've got all the the mafia types. Like,
Speaker 1: there's so many different corners of the Spider Man lexicon
Speaker 1: that are all great. Yeah, and it's so funny. I said,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Venom, but um, we never
Speaker 1: really got around to it. But mostly my my quick
Speaker 1: take on Venom is Venom has been in one of
Speaker 1: my favorite parts of Spider Man, but it's always been
Speaker 1: ruined by someone trying to rush to it because Venom
Speaker 1: is such a slow burn of like a character. Because
Speaker 1: to get too Venom, you need black suit Spidy, you
Speaker 1: need the beef between him and Brock, you need all
Speaker 1: all that uh uh Eddie Brock. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: was I calling him Brock lesser picturing casting? But yeah,
Speaker 1: just all that beef leads up to this because like
Speaker 1: there is something in the sense of like Spider Man
Speaker 1: realizing that this suit is bad and then someone being like, nah,
Speaker 1: I like it, and I love the feeling. I love
Speaker 1: the power to me, Venom and Ben Riley, two very
Speaker 1: controversial characters, represent the same thing I like about Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Ben Riley to me and I am one of the
Speaker 1: five guys on the Internet that defends the Clones saga
Speaker 1: represents power and responsibility gone too far. I think you
Speaker 1: can be too responsible. I think you can choose to
Speaker 1: do things to help others at the harm of yourself.
Speaker 1: And I think Ben Riley represents like a site, a
Speaker 1: psychic a psychotic break. I think Ben Riley's like I
Speaker 1: don't know who I am. Oh wait, there's me, uh,
Speaker 1: And it represents kind of this like the loss of
Speaker 1: sense of self. And I think the Venom suit did
Speaker 1: that with power. So when he had too much power,
Speaker 1: it got in his head and he lost his sense
Speaker 1: of responsibility. So I think Ben Riley and then I'm
Speaker 1: kind of represent two sides of the same coin, with
Speaker 1: Spiderman balancing in the middle. And that's why there's such
Speaker 1: iconic pieces of the lore. But you know, we can
Speaker 1: talk about Spider Man forever, but we are running long.
Speaker 1: So where can people find you? Coy? You can find
Speaker 1: me at c O Y j A N D R
Speaker 1: e A U on Twitter and Instagram. I host Colyder
Speaker 1: Heroes with Amy Dollin every single week on Tuesday's. We
Speaker 1: have a podcast, Giant Sized Heroes, which drops on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I host comic book Shopping, where I take people that
Speaker 1: are in these movies and shows that you love to
Speaker 1: the comic store and actually show them the source material.
Speaker 1: So for Far from Home Spider Man, we brought Mr
Speaker 1: Jake Jillen Hall and we talked all sorts of comics.
Speaker 1: And then I also appear at your various junk kits
Speaker 1: on the internet, So please talk comics at me because
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. And if you can't tell, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of opinions and long diet tribes about keep a
Speaker 1: note in mind, oh whenever, and Coy loves it whenever
Speaker 1: I talk about Batman and The Punisher. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great. I just love poking the bear, but I
Speaker 1: love defending you because it puts me like I'm on
Speaker 1: your side. But the Internet and I and then I'm
Speaker 1: just like they can't like, I just go like I agree.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I wrote. I asked Chris McKay and I
Speaker 1: was like, um, Chris, does does Batman kill? And he
Speaker 1: was like negatory and I was like, well, my Batman
Speaker 1: kills But I'm just joking. It's just it's funny to
Speaker 1: me that that's like such a trigger for people. Also,
Speaker 1: he has a lot of casualties on his hand. I
Speaker 1: am I am at Miss Danny Fernandez on all the things.
Speaker 1: If you and I will be at San Diego Comic
Speaker 1: Con in San Diego, it'll be great. We will be there.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna do a meet up. We'd love to
Speaker 1: see everyone. Will probably get some of our guests that
Speaker 1: will also be down there to meet us up. We
Speaker 1: will let you know when that is, so definitely follow
Speaker 1: us for that. Yea yeah, And I'm if y w
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Speaker 1: if he's on Twitch. Lots of this alt fam turning
Speaker 1: into the nerd family vice versa coming in. Remember the
Speaker 1: Twitch prime stups have to be re upped every month,
Speaker 1: so come through. And if you want to just hang
Speaker 1: and talk in the Discord, we're always having fun in there,
Speaker 1: and that's Discord dot g g slash Salt Squad, So
Speaker 1: make sure you do that and UH as always, uh
Speaker 1: stay nerdy