Speaker 1: Welcome to Football Today, the Wednesday after the regular season,
Speaker 1: and did I'm your host Bobby Skinner here with my
Speaker 1: co host Dalton Feenie. Justin not here gotten a pretty
Speaker 1: big car accident. He'll be out for a few weeks
Speaker 1: but will be okay, supposedly, Dalton, how we doing. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Titans from your you know your
Speaker 1: Colt's division, talk about the Raiders firing Antonio Pierce, and
Speaker 1: maybe even give up some matchups of you know where
Speaker 1: we want to see guys go.
Speaker 2: You are the biggest gas lighter ever. I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Bobby, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3: I hope Justin Tenneck's okay after that quote unquote car accident.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: gas lighting means, and I've even googled it and I
Speaker 1: still just don't like get I can't. There's not enough
Speaker 1: context clues for me to really understand what it means.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I think you're gaslighting me by
Speaker 3: pretending to not know what gas lighting.
Speaker 1: Is exactly exactly. It's just like people use it for
Speaker 1: all different types of things. You know, usually I could
Speaker 1: figure out what something means by the context clues, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just used in way too many
Speaker 1: is it? Basically? I don't I see again, I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna get into this.
Speaker 2: I got you, No, But I am excited to talk
Speaker 2: some ball.
Speaker 3: It's been a little bit since I've been on football
Speaker 3: today last time was with you.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to talk about some Raiders football. How
Speaker 2: about it Antonio Pierce getting fired?
Speaker 3: Bobby, I did want to ask, do you think Antonio
Speaker 3: Pierce got a fair shot as the Las Vegas Raiders
Speaker 3: head coach?
Speaker 1: No, We're gonna spend ten minutes on the gas lighting
Speaker 1: thing since we're on Dan Patrick. That's a great radio segment,
Speaker 1: like what is gas lighting?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And I understand if they wanted to fire Antonio Piers
Speaker 1: because there is some huge things that he got wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, he messed up the offensive coordinator hire badly, right,
Speaker 1: so badly that they had to bring in you know
Speaker 1: Northern Scott Turner off of the street, had really bad
Speaker 1: game management. Was you know listening to Ted Nowinn, who
Speaker 1: you know does some Raiders stuff for the athletic talking
Speaker 1: about like I think maybe Matt Eberflus was only the
Speaker 1: worst Outside of that, the one good thing he had
Speaker 1: on his staff, Patrick Grin, the defensive coordinator, seems like
Speaker 1: he was trying to get out of there right His
Speaker 1: contract was up, so he was interviewing for other DC
Speaker 1: jobs and he's even got some head coaching buzzy, even
Speaker 1: though he probably won't get that in this cycle. But
Speaker 1: this is why you didn't. You shouldn't have hired Antonio
Speaker 1: Pierce because you put him in an unwinnable situation. So
Speaker 1: you put this rookie head coach with very little experience
Speaker 1: coming off of the five and four. You know, interim
Speaker 1: head coach run when we see those are like fake
Speaker 1: all the time, right, we always every time there's an
Speaker 1: interim head coach that does like fairly well, NFL media
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you got hired, you gotta give him
Speaker 1: a chance. And then it never works out. It never
Speaker 1: worked out. I think the best example of it working
Speaker 1: out is Jason Garrett, and I think Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: fans will say that probably didn't work out. You know,
Speaker 1: you had no quarterback plan. Really, I mean you had
Speaker 1: a plan, but we everyone knew that it was a
Speaker 1: bad plan, which is fine for year one of a
Speaker 1: GM and head coach, if you're willing to just eat that.
Speaker 1: You lost Josh Jacobs in that room was the worst
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So you have no quarterback, no run
Speaker 1: game to rely on. You had the trade Devonte Adams.
Speaker 1: Your defense, which was your calling card, which already was
Speaker 1: not a talented group but just a well coach group
Speaker 1: got injured with Wilkins, Crosby, Malcolm Cons, Marcus Epps. Like
Speaker 1: there's there was no chance for this team being good
Speaker 1: this year. There there's again Jim Harbaugh, who I think
Speaker 1: is the ultimate just come in here and will make
Speaker 1: your first season highly exceed expectations. I don't think he
Speaker 1: could have gotten this team to more than six or
Speaker 1: seven wins.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really funny that you bring up the interim
Speaker 3: head coach, because, like you said, I feel like it
Speaker 3: never works out. Since twenty nineteen, there have been six
Speaker 3: interim head coaches promoted to become full time head coaches.
Speaker 3: Freddie Kitchens in twenty nineteen, Lovey Smith and twenty two
Speaker 3: Bowls in twenty two, Allen in twenty two, Gerard Mayo
Speaker 3: twenty four in house like promotion like he wasn't an
Speaker 3: interim but he was brought in from in house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it pears. Of those guys, four of them have
Speaker 3: been one and done. Dennis Allen just got fired this year.
Speaker 3: The only remaining one is Todd Bowles. Right, So that's
Speaker 3: a mix of the in house promotion slash interim head coaches.
Speaker 3: It never works, It really never works. I really don't
Speaker 3: think Antonio Pierce got a fair shake. But they had
Speaker 3: the same operation with Rich Bisaccia in twenty one as
Speaker 3: the interim.
Speaker 2: He does a great job.
Speaker 3: People are clamoring for him to get the job. They
Speaker 3: don't go with him, they go with McDaniels. That doesn't
Speaker 3: work out. Pierce becomes the interim they want him to say.
Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, maybe we should have hired Bisacia, So
Speaker 3: let's give Pierce a shot. And my thing with Antonio
Speaker 3: Peers is, if you're going to promote him as the
Speaker 3: head coach, right, give him a chance to win. The
Speaker 3: quarterback position is just absolutely the most important thing in football.
Speaker 2: And he had no one there.
Speaker 3: I understand that hired GM, Tom Telesco brought in Gardner Minshew,
Speaker 3: But if if you think Gardner Minshew is a long
Speaker 3: term option in a division that has at the time,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert, You're absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: And the reality is O'Connell's better than was better than
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew too.
Speaker 2: Right, Minshew had a struggles early on and he gets hurt.
Speaker 3: AOC comes in and he does, you know, not the
Speaker 3: greatest thing, but he's you know, start a bull, which
Speaker 3: is I guess a little bit of a stretch. And
Speaker 3: then you have to have Desmond Ritder come in when
Speaker 3: AOC gets hurt too. So the quarterback position was in
Speaker 3: such a flux in the division that was arguably the
Speaker 3: best division in the AFC this year. He didn't give
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce a chance. And I understand Telesco came in
Speaker 3: with Pierce as the head coach, and you want to
Speaker 3: hire your own guy. But the Raiders again making a
Speaker 3: move off of a head coach, the last head coach
Speaker 3: for the Las Vegas Raiders, Oakland Raiders Los Angeles Raiders.
Speaker 3: To make it through five years with the team, you
Speaker 3: got to go back to the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1: With Art Shell, who they rehired because they couldn't fly,
Speaker 1: they couldn't find, no one would take their job.
Speaker 2: It was awful.
Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and six, Art Shell
Speaker 3: comes in, it's like two and fourteen. But regardless they are,
Speaker 3: it's just so much turmoil. They go back and forth
Speaker 3: with these head coaches, five head coaches since twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven when Mark Davis took over his owner.
Speaker 3: I feel really bad for Antonio Pierce, but the Raiders franchise. Man,
Speaker 3: it's such a tough one to be the guy, right
Speaker 3: and even like I guess the best head coach since
Speaker 3: Artchell is John Gruden, who you know left the Raiders
Speaker 3: to the Bucks. I think Antoni Pierrice didn't get a
Speaker 3: shot and once again the Raiders' toxicness. If you will,
Speaker 3: you have him go meet with the media before the
Speaker 3: news of you know, making their decision.
Speaker 2: How do you not know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just should never put the like you can
Speaker 1: wait a day and be like, hey, we're still discussing
Speaker 1: these things, so here's forget now we get I think
Speaker 1: sometimes in talking about this we get into like is
Speaker 1: this fair? Right? Like is it fair with the pages
Speaker 1: and the draw on may own? No, but they should
Speaker 1: have done that, They should have fired him. Do you
Speaker 1: think this is the right decision to keep te LESCo
Speaker 1: and fire Antonio Pierce because I actually I'm usually like
Speaker 1: we'll talk about with the Titans, like let's keep the
Speaker 1: cycle same. But because Pierce was there before, probably didn't
Speaker 1: want to bring back Pierce. But there was pressure from
Speaker 1: guys like Max Crosby, who maybe someone should tell him
Speaker 1: that you're not probably not the best GM and the NFL.
Speaker 1: Mister mister Crosby, Uh, I actually agree with it. I
Speaker 1: don't think Tom to Tom Tellsco his draft this year,
Speaker 1: you know, not not not bad, right, You get Bowers,
Speaker 1: you know, Jackson powers Johnson in the second round. DJ
Speaker 1: Glaize started for them. Made some mistakes. I think letting
Speaker 1: Jermaine Iluminor leave was a mistake. He could have still
Speaker 1: drafted DJ Glaize and developed him as a as a
Speaker 1: swing year. But they they clearly took a QB gap year,
Speaker 1: and then you know, added Al Wilkins on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: I know he got hurt, but that's I think was
Speaker 1: a really good signing for them. I do agree with
Speaker 1: them getting rid of Pierce because he wasn't He just
Speaker 1: wasn't cut out for the job. And I don't think
Speaker 1: Tom to LESCo has had this first year of being
Speaker 1: a GM where it says this guy needs to be fired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he nailed it on the head because
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair, right, I think you said
Speaker 3: it perfectly. It's not fair that Antonio Pierce got fired.
Speaker 3: But it's understandable why he got fired. It's because of
Speaker 3: a you know, game management issue. Is the results this
Speaker 3: year were really bad. But b Tom Telesco now gets
Speaker 3: to pick his own guy. It's and that's as it's
Speaker 3: not fair. But Telesco, like you said, you're drafting Brock Powers,
Speaker 3: who sets the receiving record as a rookie. You draft
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson, who's a great interior offensive lineman out
Speaker 3: of Oregon. The rest of the draft, like you said,
Speaker 3: a little bit, we'll find out, not as much stock there.
Speaker 3: But Telesco's had a great run with the Chargers, like
Speaker 3: his decade plus run there.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair. The results were bad.
Speaker 3: We saw this year the defense take a step back too,
Speaker 3: and that's something a calling card of Antonio Pierce getting
Speaker 3: that defense playing because in twenty three when he took over,
Speaker 3: they were number one in points per game, fourth in
Speaker 3: a fifth and turnover margin. This year twenty fifth in
Speaker 3: points per game allowed, thirtieth in turnover margin, So there
Speaker 3: was a big discrepancy in defensive play from when he
Speaker 3: took over in twenty three twenty four. You have the
Speaker 3: game management issues. Yeah, I think that makes total sense.
Speaker 3: Why you let go Pierce a back.
Speaker 1: Point and the reason why it was very predictable that
Speaker 1: because offensive coach can be more consistently keeping you afloat
Speaker 1: defensively coaching like it matters. I love Patrick Graham, obviously.
Speaker 1: I have ties back to him with with with the
Speaker 1: Giants and talking Giants have met him before. Like, I
Speaker 1: really like Patrick Gham. I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: best minds of the game, but one he wants to
Speaker 1: leave there. But they were so over reliant on coaching
Speaker 1: this year, you know, like they brought in Christian Wilkins
Speaker 1: on the defense and you have Max Crosby, but like
Speaker 1: even Marcus Epps, who's really important for them. Marcus Epps
Speaker 1: isn't some great player in the NFL. He's just a
Speaker 1: great fit for what Patrick Graham wants to run and
Speaker 1: got that defense in place. A lot of times they
Speaker 1: were just they're a very untalented team. So it's just
Speaker 1: that's why it didn't make sense to bring in someone
Speaker 1: like Antonio Pierce and not have the patience to go
Speaker 1: with him. But I think they all agree that they're
Speaker 1: this is a long term thing for them. Also, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, Dalton Antonio Pierce wanting Jayden Daniels is the
Speaker 1: new Like, Okay, congrats, dude, you wanted the guy who
Speaker 1: was taken second over in the second overall in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft. You you are the greatest talent evaluator of
Speaker 1: all time. Patrick Graham, No way, I think you know who.
Speaker 1: You know what. I think the Giants wanted Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings would have taken Jayden. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of teams probably wanted Jayden Daniels. But you
Speaker 1: weren't picking second, so didn't That doesn't mean you're just
Speaker 1: amazing And it was just like, yeah, they were at
Speaker 1: Arizona State together. It's like, Okay, well that should be
Speaker 1: more more reasoning than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the one other thing with that too,
Speaker 3: is that I feel like there have been coaches after
Speaker 3: the drafts have happened and we've seen these players play
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, I wanted that player that was
Speaker 3: but I was overruled at least.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 3: Peiris's point is that he did say before or the
Speaker 3: draft that he wanted Daniels to end. He wasn't number
Speaker 3: one guy, but he absolutely played like the number one
Speaker 3: quarterback as a rookie this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Uh, don't won don't you talk
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I mean we're talking about Tom Telesco with drafting.
Speaker 2: Speaking of drafty, cut that.
Speaker 1: Try that again, No, don't cut that. If you cut
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Titans and talk about
Speaker 1: their fuck ups.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Titans have fired GM ran Carthon after two years Dalton.
Speaker 1: They keep Brian Callahan and really in reality, they are
Speaker 1: just keeping and making the President of Football Operations Chad
Speaker 1: Brinker the GM. And this is this is Tennessee has
Speaker 1: got a lot of drama going on there and their
Speaker 1: owner Amy Adams. It just seems like it's a mess
Speaker 1: there that they don't know what they're doing, They have
Speaker 1: no plan there. You know, they're you know, they're riding
Speaker 1: by the you know, they're you know, living by the
Speaker 1: you know, the pants, the seat of their pants. They're
Speaker 1: just a mess over there. And I think that they
Speaker 1: probably should have just reset after all this if they
Speaker 1: wanted to make changes, but it's just so much. It
Speaker 1: seems like it's just been a constant power struggle over
Speaker 1: the last three years. Right, they fire Robinson after the
Speaker 1: whole A J. Brown tobaccle. They bring in ran Carthon,
Speaker 1: keep Mike Vrabel, which Mike Vrabel's I think is a
Speaker 1: is a type of head coach that you can do
Speaker 1: a GM search with. Right, most coaches you probably couldn't,
Speaker 1: but he's someone that's like, all right, these two guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be on the same page. Then they fired
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. You find out Mike Vrabel never wanted ran
Speaker 1: Carthon and didn't think he was ready for the job.
Speaker 1: So you hire Brian Callahan, Like, okay, Well, at least
Speaker 1: ran Carthon hired his head coach. Now we're now at
Speaker 1: least we're all on the same page. Even if this
Speaker 1: doesn't work out well, it finds out that Chad Brinker,
Speaker 1: the president of Football Operations, doesn't really like ran Carthon,
Speaker 1: even like his work ethic. Uh, And so they fire
Speaker 1: ran Carthon but still keep Brian Callahan. This is a mess.
Speaker 1: And we can talk about ran Carthon and what he
Speaker 1: if he deserves, if he's done a good job or not.
Speaker 1: But what the Titans have done here has made them
Speaker 1: a completely unattractive, uh, you know, spot for the job.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing they've already said that Chad Brinker,
Speaker 1: the president Football Persons, he has all final say in
Speaker 1: football matters, even the fifty three man roster. He has
Speaker 1: final say on that. You know, he threw some shade
Speaker 1: at ran Carthon's work ethic out the door like this,
Speaker 1: you're basically being if you take this job, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get any blame and lose your chance if it goes
Speaker 1: bad at GM. But you're not actually gonna be the GM.
Speaker 1: You're basically taking an assistant GM spot, you know, Like
Speaker 1: this is what this is what Brinker said, This is
Speaker 1: an attractive job for a lot of people, and particularly
Speaker 1: for those who grew up in the industry in the
Speaker 1: way that I have, who kind of cut their teeth
Speaker 1: as a scout and projecting players from college to pro
Speaker 1: and they just want to get up and focus on
Speaker 1: building a roster and not have to worry about running
Speaker 1: the video department or an analytics team, or the equipment
Speaker 1: room or whatever. Just all they want to do is scout,
Speaker 1: go on the road in the fall, and find football players.
Speaker 1: Because we've got to get it right. We have to
Speaker 1: have good football players in the building. We have to
Speaker 1: get playmakers in the building, particularly at positions that influence
Speaker 1: the outcomes of games. We've got to get to a
Speaker 1: point where we have seven difference makers or impact players
Speaker 1: on our team. Which is all fine and well, but
Speaker 1: you're the one making the decisions. Be he will be
Speaker 1: the final say on draft picks, on the roster, on
Speaker 1: free agency signings. So it's just this is this is
Speaker 1: dysfunction that you know. I think there's so many dysfunctional
Speaker 1: teams right now in the NFL. Maybe it's I'm just
Speaker 1: more aware of it than in years past. But man,
Speaker 1: the Titans are going right towards the top of them,
Speaker 1: and they fired every They fired people, you know, every
Speaker 1: every year.
Speaker 3: Now, I want to speak on the Titans organization, just
Speaker 3: as you alluded to and were talking about. This is
Speaker 3: as the sporadic of an owner you can have. Right now,
Speaker 3: you talk to about the John Robinson drama. He talked
Speaker 3: about Mike Verebel being fired, keeping Ryan Carthon, and now
Speaker 3: you're firing Rand Carthon and you're promoting Brinker as your president,
Speaker 3: right and he's gonna oversee your hiring your general manager.
Speaker 2: My biggest thing is ownership.
Speaker 3: Right when you fired Mike Verbel, you have that seven
Speaker 3: game losing Streek, you have your losing season.
Speaker 2: You have to look at that roster and realize, you
Speaker 2: know what I understand.
Speaker 3: We play in the AFC South and that's a crapshoot
Speaker 3: of a division, really bad division. But our roster might
Speaker 3: not be there yet. There's questions at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3: If this at some point you have to realize you
Speaker 3: have to reset. Right, you go six and eleven and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and Texans have CJ.
Speaker 2: Strodden.
Speaker 3: His rookie year looks great, assuming that they were going
Speaker 3: to have another pretty good season, which they did. The
Speaker 3: Titans have to reset that roster, get the quarterback position right,
Speaker 3: get the offensive line right.
Speaker 2: They've been doing the last two years.
Speaker 3: It's Karonsky and jac Latham as their top two picks,
Speaker 3: but prior to that, that offensive line was one of
Speaker 3: the worst in football. I think they brought back one
Speaker 3: of their five starters on that offensive line. I know
Speaker 3: we talk about trenches a lot because it's an important
Speaker 3: part of the team, but quite frankly, this role is
Speaker 3: so undesirable. When you are coming into a spot and
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, you're the general manager, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: have ownership, could fire you at any moment, and then
Speaker 3: and the president of football Operations has the final say
Speaker 3: over ties or anything that's going on.
Speaker 2: It's something you don't want to work at. It's very sporadic.
Speaker 3: Any any time, a type of team that has an
Speaker 3: ownership that you don't know what they're gonna do, what
Speaker 3: what their next move is is an organization you do
Speaker 3: not want to join.
Speaker 2: I do want to say on one thing on Red
Speaker 2: Carthon right.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk terrible job, by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
Speaker 2: And I have some of his moves on here.
Speaker 3: Like I would say the Calvin Ridley move is probably
Speaker 3: the biggest kind of looking on what he's done in
Speaker 3: terms of trades, drafting or signing, uh, signing guys because
Speaker 3: that four for ninety two doesn't look great right now.
Speaker 2: But again, who's the quarterback? You draft Will Levis?
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you're drafting them thinking he's
Speaker 3: the guy you use a Day two pick on him.
Speaker 3: But let's be real, like we we knew Will Levis
Speaker 3: you transfer from Penn State to Kentucky. We didn't think
Speaker 3: that he should be his top tier prospects out.
Speaker 1: By the way, the whole building agreed on that too.
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if they threw him under the bus.
Speaker 1: And the Will Levis everybody there agreed on the Will
Speaker 1: Levis colection.
Speaker 2: So you're you are.
Speaker 3: You have the group think of liking Will Levis, right,
Speaker 3: and that hasn't worked out.
Speaker 2: But then you signed Calvin Ridley. That does work.
Speaker 3: You signed Tony Pollard, that did work out. He had
Speaker 3: a pretty good year on that the first year.
Speaker 1: Of his deal. Hollard worked out. And here's the thing
Speaker 1: with Calvin Ridley, even though I did not like that,
Speaker 1: contract right now. And I though i've I've compared to
Speaker 1: the average person, I've been lower on Calvin Ridley than most.
Speaker 1: He's still got you a thousand yards, right, And if
Speaker 1: you did have that quarterback, you wanted to bring in
Speaker 1: something for him to at least like, let's get an idea,
Speaker 1: like let's figure out what he is exactly this year,
Speaker 1: and let's not have any let's not have excuses of
Speaker 1: why we don't know what Will Levis is. And that's
Speaker 1: what Calvin Ridley did for them. He was their number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. He's a good receiver. I agree giving
Speaker 1: him that level of player that contract at that age
Speaker 1: and some of the question marks about Calvin Ley is there,
Speaker 1: but they like they at least if they do draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback, Calvin Ridley being on that roster is good
Speaker 1: for that quarterback.
Speaker 3: You brought in karth On to kind of right the
Speaker 3: ship and have that reset, and then you didn't give
Speaker 3: him the opportunity to actually have his vision go into place.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that kind of frustrates me. Now, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say it's the right or wrong move,
Speaker 3: because again, his drafts Scarronsky Lewis will shake ty Ja Spears, Okay,
Speaker 3: you have some starters there, Latham Sweat, Okay, we're good
Speaker 3: there on the top end.
Speaker 2: The back half of those drafts haven't been super great.
Speaker 1: A good player for them, but the other guys really
Speaker 1: haven't played Gray Jackson the right.
Speaker 3: I I think if you're hiring a GM, you have
Speaker 3: to give them a few years to get their their
Speaker 3: their vision set.
Speaker 2: And they they did not want to hit the reset button.
Speaker 3: Amy Adams Trunk got very pissed that they went three
Speaker 3: and fourteen, second worst record in Titans franchise history since
Speaker 3: they moved to Tennessee. And now hopefully I hope Amy
Speaker 3: Adams Trunk's listening, so I know she will be. You
Speaker 3: have to give Callahan, you have to give your a
Speaker 3: new GM. You have to give uh Brinker some leeway here.
Speaker 3: You're you have the number one pick for a reason.
Speaker 3: Your roster is not good. Let's go, let's figure it out.
Speaker 3: Start from pick one in twenty twenty five and build
Speaker 3: your team. Trust the people in your building. You have
Speaker 3: them there for a reason.
Speaker 1: Which is what they won't do, which is the Titan
Speaker 1: should have reset. I think they should have fired fired
Speaker 1: uh Brinker fired, made callahana one and done and fired Carthon,
Speaker 1: but especially not they have the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a very important I think you
Speaker 1: need everybody on the same page. Instead now you have.
Speaker 1: Now you're basically hiring a GM to be the assistant GM,
Speaker 1: which again makes you a very undesirable job, because it's
Speaker 1: not even like every GM job is desirable in a
Speaker 1: sense because like, hey, if because people believe in themselves, right, Like,
Speaker 1: even if this isn't the best I believe in myself,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the guy. I'll get two years at least,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it work to where I'm not someone
Speaker 1: that's getting fired. Well, now you don't even get to
Speaker 1: have that confidence because you don't know who's you don't
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna get the make the decisions that
Speaker 1: you want to.
Speaker 3: I just think it's really funny that they promoted Rand Carthon,
Speaker 3: they added the title the executive vice president to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, and then all of a sudden one year later,
Speaker 3: like what changed? Like what was like the big change?
Speaker 3: Like that you were the worst team in football?
Speaker 2: Like was that it? If?
Speaker 3: So that also falls on Callahan said for being the
Speaker 3: worst even football. I don't understand how you fire Carthon
Speaker 3: and not Callahan. It's either both stay or both go.
Speaker 3: And I just can't believe that the Tennessee Titans did it.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I actually can say have been doing it
Speaker 3: the last two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the big the biggest reason for that was
Speaker 1: Will Levis. Who was their decision? You know they all
Speaker 1: I guess Callahan wasn't there for that, but like you know,
Speaker 1: mister Chad Brinker agreed on that decision. So you got
Speaker 1: anything else on the Titans?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: All right? So want to finish off with this because
Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's too early to be like, ah,
Speaker 1: where should this guy go? Where should this guy go?
Speaker 1: What is like one head coaching a team pairing that
Speaker 1: you're like wanting to happen As a general NFL fan.
Speaker 3: I have two answers I want to say, but I'll
Speaker 3: keep them brief because I I don't want to go
Speaker 3: too long on one of these. I think like a
Speaker 3: realistic option, I think that's gonna happen. Is like Aaron
Speaker 3: Glenn to the Saints. He's worked there. Gale Bentson liked
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn when he was there. He's really high regarded
Speaker 3: in Detroit. When he's been in New Orleans with Dan
Speaker 3: Camillore on that same staff with Sean Payton, I think
Speaker 3: that's something that's gonna happen. Uh New Orleans. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they need like a full on reset, but
Speaker 3: they have to figure stuff out on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball. Uh there might they might not be in
Speaker 3: as bad of a spot as say a Tennessee Titans
Speaker 3: or Vegas Raiders. So I kind of think that's a
Speaker 3: realistic option the one I really want to see, and
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know if this would work out.
Speaker 3: But the NFL is quote unquote the no fun League, right.
Speaker 3: We always make jokes saying about it, the no fun League.
Speaker 3: Let's get a little entertainment, a little drama.
Speaker 2: No that I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: You can say Rex Ryan to the Jets, Hell, yeah.
Speaker 2: Baby, Rex Ryan's to the Jets. Listen.
Speaker 3: I know bringing back a coach doesn't usually work, and
Speaker 3: I get it. I'm not saying this as a Jets
Speaker 3: fan saying bring back Rosryan. I think we're gonna win
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I'm saying it as a football fan.
Speaker 3: We saw the turmoil in the craziness that happen with
Speaker 3: the New York Jets and Aaron Nodges this season. I think,
Speaker 3: if you want to top it off, I think Rex
Speaker 3: is a good coach, I really do.
Speaker 2: I know the time off will not help him.
Speaker 3: I think pairing Rex Ryan to the Jets again, the
Speaker 3: most successful coach they've had over the last fifteen years,
Speaker 3: brought him to the Championship Game twice.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he would do a good job.
Speaker 3: I think he might, but I'm saying I kind of
Speaker 3: want to see it because I think that would make
Speaker 3: the NFL more fun. Bring Sexy Rexy back to New York,
Speaker 3: put him front and center, put his face right on
Speaker 3: the New York Times and post.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really electric.
Speaker 1: You know who I want to be the next head
Speaker 1: coach of the Jets, Ryan Florenes, my landlord, and the
Speaker 1: guy that's outside my window right now measuring my windows
Speaker 1: because he's they're going to installing impact windows for hurricanes
Speaker 1: and I'm looking him dead and the eye right now.
Speaker 2: All at least he could brace the storm.
Speaker 1: He's Italian. His name's den know he you know he could.
Speaker 1: He could fit perfectly in New Jersey. So Rex Ryan.
Speaker 1: I actually people are dismissing that. If you ask me,
Speaker 1: out of all the people they've hired that I think
Speaker 1: has the best, like has the best ads right now,
Speaker 1: it's Rex Ryan. Like if I'm you know, now, if
Speaker 1: I'm taking Rex Ryan of the field, I'm taking the field.
Speaker 1: But I think Woody Johnson might actually freaking do that.
Speaker 1: But it'd be a terrible mistake as a football fan,
Speaker 1: and and you know, to just be like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe they're doing it. It'd be amazing, it'd be a
Speaker 1: terrible mistake. Here's what I still believe in Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: They've got a talent like Brian Thomas Junior there. Their
Speaker 1: other rest of the receiving room has some talent you
Speaker 1: haven't Evan Ingram there. I want to see Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: go to the Jags. Now, the Jags are not going
Speaker 1: to be desirable because for some reason they've kept Trent Balkey.
Speaker 1: But and I think they could have been a very
Speaker 1: desirable place if they did get rid of Trent Balky.
Speaker 1: But coaching with that roster, I think Liam Cohen would
Speaker 1: have them as a as a competing for that division
Speaker 1: next year. Like I think that they might even they
Speaker 1: might even go to my like my favorites for that division,
Speaker 1: depending on how their off season goes. I would I
Speaker 1: would love to see Liam Cohen uh there right, he
Speaker 1: has some of the college you know roots, spend a
Speaker 1: year with Todd Bowles, you know, so maybe you can
Speaker 1: pull from that defensively with his mindset and you come
Speaker 1: for the rams, you know, with Sean McVay. Like I
Speaker 1: just I think Liam Cohen is probably, to me, is
Speaker 1: probably the best head coaching candidate out there. I actually
Speaker 1: think more so than Ben Johnson, because I think the
Speaker 1: head coach is much more than just scheming up exits
Speaker 1: and o's and here's with Ben. As much as I
Speaker 1: love Ben Johnson, I still have question marks of like
Speaker 1: you're allowed to do whatever you want with that Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions offensive line, right, you know, like adult I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're someone who's you know, drown up plays on on
Speaker 1: you know, on a pen of paper when you're bored
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's all cool and nasty, and then
Speaker 1: you realize like you have like five guys out and
Speaker 1: it's like, how are you gonna protect against this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Where the lines allow you, they give you that opportunity
Speaker 1: to draw whatever you want. Uh So, I just would
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the best quarterback of a team that
Speaker 1: has a head coaching vacancy is Trevor Lawrence, right, I mean, Kayleb.
Speaker 1: Williams can can be that. But I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: like I think that's the best.
Speaker 2: It's I'll run it down for you.
Speaker 3: It's right now, Raiders, it's aoc Or Desmond Ridder, Jets,
Speaker 3: it could be Rogers, probably not Jacksonville, Lawrence, Bears is,
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. Saints is probably moving off with Derek Carr,
Speaker 3: so Jake Hayner questioned Mark Spencer Ratler, and the Pats
Speaker 3: is Drake May, which is also another Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You can make an argument that Drake May and Kyle
Speaker 1: Williams are better situations right now, but Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: the best out of those guys right now. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you have a Brian Thomas junior who allows you to
Speaker 1: do so much the way he takes the top off
Speaker 1: of a defense and the size that he has. So
Speaker 1: I just I would love to see the offensive mind
Speaker 1: of Liam Cohen with Trevor Lawrence and Briant Tom.
Speaker 2: The only thing I would say to that is that one.
Speaker 3: It would be really funny if the Bucks oc gets
Speaker 3: poached back to back years with Canalis and then now
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen potentially uh two going back to the Sean
Speaker 3: McVay tree of coaching, right, I feel like that's a
Speaker 3: my favorite branch and root that you want to go
Speaker 3: to because it's been working out. Uh see Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell as the big example right now. But I
Speaker 3: kind of don't want to see that. And I'm not
Speaker 3: even saying that as a Colts fan. I like Liam Cohen,
Speaker 3: uh Kentucky rams back to Kentucky now with the Bucks
Speaker 3: I uh, I kind of want him to be successful.
Speaker 3: And I really think with Balky as general manager, you know,
Speaker 3: Balkey somehow, I don't know if it's blackmail or what
Speaker 3: it is. He just survives situations. He did it with
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, He did it with Jim Harball.
Speaker 3: If you're able to get Jim Harball, who is an
Speaker 3: unbelievable coach, a winning coach at any at any spot
Speaker 3: he's been in. Quite frankly, I don't want Liam Cohen
Speaker 3: to be paired up with this guy because if they're
Speaker 3: unsuccessful you know who's getting to blame and Balky's gonna
Speaker 3: say it ain't me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if if anything, they'll just clean house with
Speaker 1: both of them. So I agree. So like I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking of like just this next year, Like I'd love
Speaker 1: to see Liam Collen with Trevor Lawrence and Brian Thomas
Speaker 1: and some of the pieces they have there. All right,
Speaker 1: that's an episode of Football Today. We all wish Justin well,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope he's hope he's doing all right.
Speaker 1: We will see you on Friday for a preview of
Speaker 1: the wild card round. We'll see you then. Until then,
Speaker 1: this is Football Today.