1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Football Today, the Wednesday after the regular season, 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: and did I'm your host Bobby Skinner here with my 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: co host Dalton Feenie. Justin not here gotten a pretty 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: big car accident. He'll be out for a few weeks 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: but will be okay, supposedly, Dalton, how we doing. We're 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Titans from your you know your 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Colt's division, talk about the Raiders firing Antonio Pierce, and 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: maybe even give up some matchups of you know where 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: we want to see guys go. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: You are the biggest gas lighter ever. I love it. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Bobby, thank you for having me on. 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: I hope Justin Tenneck's okay after that quote unquote car accident. 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something. I don't know exactly what 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: gas lighting means, and I've even googled it and I 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: still just don't like get I can't. There's not enough 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: context clues for me to really understand what it means. 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: And you know what, I think you're gaslighting me by 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 3: pretending to not know what gas lighting. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: Is exactly exactly. It's just like people use it for 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: all different types of things. You know, usually I could 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: figure out what something means by the context clues, and 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just used in way too many 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: is it? Basically? I don't I see again, I'm not 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: even gonna get into this. 25 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: I got you, No, But I am excited to talk 26 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: some ball. 27 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: It's been a little bit since I've been on football 28 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: today last time was with you. 29 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to talk about some Raiders football. How 30 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: about it Antonio Pierce getting fired? 31 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: Bobby, I did want to ask, do you think Antonio 32 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Pierce got a fair shot as the Las Vegas Raiders 33 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: head coach? 34 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: No, We're gonna spend ten minutes on the gas lighting 35 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: thing since we're on Dan Patrick. That's a great radio segment, 36 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: like what is gas lighting? 37 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: No? 38 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: And I understand if they wanted to fire Antonio Piers 39 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: because there is some huge things that he got wrong. 40 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: You know, he messed up the offensive coordinator hire badly, right, 41 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: so badly that they had to bring in you know 42 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Northern Scott Turner off of the street, had really bad 43 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: game management. Was you know listening to Ted Nowinn, who 44 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: you know does some Raiders stuff for the athletic talking 45 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: about like I think maybe Matt Eberflus was only the 46 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: worst Outside of that, the one good thing he had 47 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: on his staff, Patrick Grin, the defensive coordinator, seems like 48 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: he was trying to get out of there right His 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: contract was up, so he was interviewing for other DC 50 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: jobs and he's even got some head coaching buzzy, even 51 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: though he probably won't get that in this cycle. But 52 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: this is why you didn't. You shouldn't have hired Antonio 53 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Pierce because you put him in an unwinnable situation. So 54 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: you put this rookie head coach with very little experience 55 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: coming off of the five and four. You know, interim 56 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: head coach run when we see those are like fake 57 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: all the time, right, we always every time there's an 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: interim head coach that does like fairly well, NFL media 59 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: is like, oh, you got hired, you gotta give him 60 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: a chance. And then it never works out. It never 61 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: worked out. I think the best example of it working 62 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: out is Jason Garrett, and I think Dallas Cowboys and 63 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: fans will say that probably didn't work out. You know, 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: you had no quarterback plan. Really, I mean you had 65 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: a plan, but we everyone knew that it was a 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: bad plan, which is fine for year one of a 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: GM and head coach, if you're willing to just eat that. 68 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 1: You lost Josh Jacobs in that room was the worst 69 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So you have no quarterback, no run 70 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: game to rely on. You had the trade Devonte Adams. 71 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Your defense, which was your calling card, which already was 72 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: not a talented group but just a well coach group 73 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: got injured with Wilkins, Crosby, Malcolm Cons, Marcus Epps. Like 74 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: there's there was no chance for this team being good 75 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: this year. There there's again Jim Harbaugh, who I think 76 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: is the ultimate just come in here and will make 77 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: your first season highly exceed expectations. I don't think he 78 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: could have gotten this team to more than six or 79 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: seven wins. 80 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: Well, it's really funny that you bring up the interim 81 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: head coach, because, like you said, I feel like it 82 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: never works out. Since twenty nineteen, there have been six 83 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: interim head coaches promoted to become full time head coaches. 84 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: Freddie Kitchens in twenty nineteen, Lovey Smith and twenty two 85 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: Bowls in twenty two, Allen in twenty two, Gerard Mayo 86 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: twenty four in house like promotion like he wasn't an 87 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: interim but he was brought in from in house. Yeah, 88 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: and it pears. Of those guys, four of them have 89 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: been one and done. Dennis Allen just got fired this year. 90 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: The only remaining one is Todd Bowles. Right, So that's 91 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: a mix of the in house promotion slash interim head coaches. 92 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: It never works, It really never works. I really don't 93 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: think Antonio Pierce got a fair shake. But they had 94 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: the same operation with Rich Bisaccia in twenty one as 95 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: the interim. 96 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: He does a great job. 97 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: People are clamoring for him to get the job. They 98 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: don't go with him, they go with McDaniels. That doesn't 99 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: work out. Pierce becomes the interim they want him to say. 100 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, maybe we should have hired Bisacia, So 101 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: let's give Pierce a shot. And my thing with Antonio 102 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: Peers is, if you're going to promote him as the 103 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: head coach, right, give him a chance to win. The 104 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: quarterback position is just absolutely the most important thing in football. 105 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: And he had no one there. 106 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: I understand that hired GM, Tom Telesco brought in Gardner Minshew, 107 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: But if if you think Gardner Minshew is a long 108 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: term option in a division that has at the time, 109 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert, You're absolutely insane. 110 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: And the reality is O'Connell's better than was better than 111 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew too. 112 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: Right, Minshew had a struggles early on and he gets hurt. 113 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: AOC comes in and he does, you know, not the 114 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: greatest thing, but he's you know, start a bull, which 115 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: is I guess a little bit of a stretch. And 116 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: then you have to have Desmond Ritder come in when 117 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: AOC gets hurt too. So the quarterback position was in 118 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: such a flux in the division that was arguably the 119 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: best division in the AFC this year. He didn't give 120 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce a chance. And I understand Telesco came in 121 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: with Pierce as the head coach, and you want to 122 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: hire your own guy. But the Raiders again making a 123 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: move off of a head coach, the last head coach 124 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: for the Las Vegas Raiders, Oakland Raiders Los Angeles Raiders. 125 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: To make it through five years with the team, you 126 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: got to go back to the eighties and nineties. 127 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: With Art Shell, who they rehired because they couldn't fly, 128 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: they couldn't find, no one would take their job. 129 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: It was awful. 130 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and six, Art Shell 131 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: comes in, it's like two and fourteen. But regardless they are, 132 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: it's just so much turmoil. They go back and forth 133 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: with these head coaches, five head coaches since twenty twenty nine, 134 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: since twenty eleven when Mark Davis took over his owner. 135 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: I feel really bad for Antonio Pierce, but the Raiders franchise. Man, 136 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: it's such a tough one to be the guy, right 137 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: and even like I guess the best head coach since 138 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: Artchell is John Gruden, who you know left the Raiders 139 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: to the Bucks. I think Antoni Pierrice didn't get a 140 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: shot and once again the Raiders' toxicness. If you will, 141 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: you have him go meet with the media before the 142 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: news of you know, making their decision. 143 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: How do you not know? 144 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just should never put the like you can 145 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: wait a day and be like, hey, we're still discussing 146 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: these things, so here's forget now we get I think 147 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: sometimes in talking about this we get into like is 148 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: this fair? Right? Like is it fair with the pages 149 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: and the draw on may own? No, but they should 150 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: have done that, They should have fired him. Do you 151 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: think this is the right decision to keep te LESCo 152 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: and fire Antonio Pierce because I actually I'm usually like 153 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk about with the Titans, like let's keep the 154 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: cycle same. But because Pierce was there before, probably didn't 155 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: want to bring back Pierce. But there was pressure from 156 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: guys like Max Crosby, who maybe someone should tell him 157 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: that you're not probably not the best GM and the NFL. 158 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: Mister mister Crosby, Uh, I actually agree with it. I 159 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: don't think Tom to Tom Tellsco his draft this year, 160 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, not not not bad, right, You get Bowers, 161 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, Jackson powers Johnson in the second round. DJ 162 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Glaize started for them. Made some mistakes. I think letting 163 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Jermaine Iluminor leave was a mistake. He could have still 164 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: drafted DJ Glaize and developed him as a as a 165 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: swing year. But they they clearly took a QB gap year, 166 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: and then you know, added Al Wilkins on the defensive side. 167 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: I know he got hurt, but that's I think was 168 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: a really good signing for them. I do agree with 169 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: them getting rid of Pierce because he wasn't He just 170 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: wasn't cut out for the job. And I don't think 171 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Tom to LESCo has had this first year of being 172 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: a GM where it says this guy needs to be fired. 173 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he nailed it on the head because 174 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair, right, I think you said 175 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: it perfectly. It's not fair that Antonio Pierce got fired. 176 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: But it's understandable why he got fired. It's because of 177 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: a you know, game management issue. Is the results this 178 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: year were really bad. But b Tom Telesco now gets 179 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: to pick his own guy. It's and that's as it's 180 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: not fair. But Telesco, like you said, you're drafting Brock Powers, 181 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: who sets the receiving record as a rookie. You draft 182 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson, who's a great interior offensive lineman out 183 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: of Oregon. The rest of the draft, like you said, 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: a little bit, we'll find out, not as much stock there. 185 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: But Telesco's had a great run with the Chargers, like 186 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: his decade plus run there. 187 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair. The results were bad. 188 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: We saw this year the defense take a step back too, 189 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: and that's something a calling card of Antonio Pierce getting 190 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: that defense playing because in twenty three when he took over, 191 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: they were number one in points per game, fourth in 192 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: a fifth and turnover margin. This year twenty fifth in 193 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: points per game allowed, thirtieth in turnover margin, So there 194 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: was a big discrepancy in defensive play from when he 195 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: took over in twenty three twenty four. You have the 196 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: game management issues. Yeah, I think that makes total sense. 197 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: Why you let go Pierce a back. 198 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: Point and the reason why it was very predictable that 199 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: because offensive coach can be more consistently keeping you afloat 200 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: defensively coaching like it matters. I love Patrick Graham, obviously. 201 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: I have ties back to him with with with the 202 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: Giants and talking Giants have met him before. Like, I 203 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: really like Patrick Gham. I think he's one of the 204 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: best minds of the game, but one he wants to 205 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: leave there. But they were so over reliant on coaching 206 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: this year, you know, like they brought in Christian Wilkins 207 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: on the defense and you have Max Crosby, but like 208 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: even Marcus Epps, who's really important for them. Marcus Epps 209 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: isn't some great player in the NFL. He's just a 210 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: great fit for what Patrick Graham wants to run and 211 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: got that defense in place. A lot of times they 212 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: were just they're a very untalented team. So it's just 213 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: that's why it didn't make sense to bring in someone 214 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: like Antonio Pierce and not have the patience to go 215 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: with him. But I think they all agree that they're 216 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: this is a long term thing for them. Also, I'll 217 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: say this, Dalton Antonio Pierce wanting Jayden Daniels is the 218 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: new Like, Okay, congrats, dude, you wanted the guy who 219 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: was taken second over in the second overall in the 220 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: NFL draft. You you are the greatest talent evaluator of 221 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: all time. Patrick Graham, No way, I think you know who. 222 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: You know what. I think the Giants wanted Jayden Daniels. 223 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I think the Vikings would have taken Jayden. I think 224 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of teams probably wanted Jayden Daniels. But you 225 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: weren't picking second, so didn't That doesn't mean you're just 226 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: amazing And it was just like, yeah, they were at 227 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: Arizona State together. It's like, Okay, well that should be 228 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: more more reasoning than that. 229 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the one other thing with that too, 230 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: is that I feel like there have been coaches after 231 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: the drafts have happened and we've seen these players play 232 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, I wanted that player that was 233 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: but I was overruled at least. 234 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: Then. 235 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: Peiris's point is that he did say before or the 236 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: draft that he wanted Daniels to end. He wasn't number 237 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: one guy, but he absolutely played like the number one 238 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: quarterback as a rookie this year. 239 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Uh, don't won don't you talk 240 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: to us about something before we talk about the Titans. 241 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I mean we're talking about Tom Telesco with drafting. 242 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of drafty, cut that. 243 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Try that again, No, don't cut that. If you cut 244 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: that corner. I will lose my mind. 245 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Make them lose your mind. You know who you see 246 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: in the office. Speaking of drafting, definitely bigger. 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It just seems like it's a mess 280 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: there that they don't know what they're doing, They have 281 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: no plan there. You know, they're you know, they're riding 282 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: by the you know, they're you know, living by the 283 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: you know, the pants, the seat of their pants. They're 284 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: just a mess over there. And I think that they 285 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: probably should have just reset after all this if they 286 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: wanted to make changes, but it's just so much. It 287 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: seems like it's just been a constant power struggle over 288 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: the last three years. Right, they fire Robinson after the 289 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: whole A J. Brown tobaccle. They bring in ran Carthon, 290 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: keep Mike Vrabel, which Mike Vrabel's I think is a 291 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: is a type of head coach that you can do 292 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: a GM search with. Right, most coaches you probably couldn't, 293 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: but he's someone that's like, all right, these two guys 294 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: are gonna be on the same page. Then they fired 295 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. You find out Mike Vrabel never wanted ran 296 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Carthon and didn't think he was ready for the job. 297 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: So you hire Brian Callahan, Like, okay, Well, at least 298 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: ran Carthon hired his head coach. Now we're now at 299 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: least we're all on the same page. Even if this 300 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: doesn't work out well, it finds out that Chad Brinker, 301 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: the president of Football Operations, doesn't really like ran Carthon, 302 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: even like his work ethic. Uh, And so they fire 303 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: ran Carthon but still keep Brian Callahan. This is a mess. 304 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: And we can talk about ran Carthon and what he 305 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: if he deserves, if he's done a good job or not. 306 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: But what the Titans have done here has made them 307 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: a completely unattractive, uh, you know, spot for the job. 308 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing they've already said that Chad Brinker, 309 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: the president Football Persons, he has all final say in 310 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: football matters, even the fifty three man roster. He has 311 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: final say on that. You know, he threw some shade 312 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: at ran Carthon's work ethic out the door like this, 313 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: you're basically being if you take this job, you're gonna 314 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: get any blame and lose your chance if it goes 315 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: bad at GM. But you're not actually gonna be the GM. 316 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: You're basically taking an assistant GM spot, you know, Like 317 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: this is what this is what Brinker said, This is 318 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: an attractive job for a lot of people, and particularly 319 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: for those who grew up in the industry in the 320 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: way that I have, who kind of cut their teeth 321 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: as a scout and projecting players from college to pro 322 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: and they just want to get up and focus on 323 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: building a roster and not have to worry about running 324 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: the video department or an analytics team, or the equipment 325 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: room or whatever. Just all they want to do is scout, 326 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: go on the road in the fall, and find football players. 327 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: Because we've got to get it right. We have to 328 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: have good football players in the building. We have to 329 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: get playmakers in the building, particularly at positions that influence 330 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: the outcomes of games. We've got to get to a 331 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: point where we have seven difference makers or impact players 332 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: on our team. Which is all fine and well, but 333 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: you're the one making the decisions. Be he will be 334 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: the final say on draft picks, on the roster, on 335 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: free agency signings. So it's just this is this is 336 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: dysfunction that you know. I think there's so many dysfunctional 337 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: teams right now in the NFL. Maybe it's I'm just 338 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: more aware of it than in years past. But man, 339 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: the Titans are going right towards the top of them, 340 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: and they fired every They fired people, you know, every 341 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: every year. 342 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: Now, I want to speak on the Titans organization, just 343 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: as you alluded to and were talking about. This is 344 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: as the sporadic of an owner you can have. Right now, 345 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: you talk to about the John Robinson drama. He talked 346 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: about Mike Verebel being fired, keeping Ryan Carthon, and now 347 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: you're firing Rand Carthon and you're promoting Brinker as your president, 348 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: right and he's gonna oversee your hiring your general manager. 349 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: My biggest thing is ownership. 350 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: Right when you fired Mike Verbel, you have that seven 351 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: game losing Streek, you have your losing season. 352 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: You have to look at that roster and realize, you 353 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: know what I understand. 354 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: We play in the AFC South and that's a crapshoot 355 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: of a division, really bad division. But our roster might 356 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: not be there yet. There's questions at the quarterback position. 357 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: If this at some point you have to realize you 358 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: have to reset. Right, you go six and eleven and 359 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and Texans have CJ. 360 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: Strodden. 361 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: His rookie year looks great, assuming that they were going 362 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: to have another pretty good season, which they did. The 363 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: Titans have to reset that roster, get the quarterback position right, 364 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: get the offensive line right. 365 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: They've been doing the last two years. 366 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: It's Karonsky and jac Latham as their top two picks, 367 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: but prior to that, that offensive line was one of 368 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: the worst in football. I think they brought back one 369 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: of their five starters on that offensive line. I know 370 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: we talk about trenches a lot because it's an important 371 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: part of the team, but quite frankly, this role is 372 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: so undesirable. When you are coming into a spot and 373 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, you're the general manager, but you're gonna 374 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: have ownership, could fire you at any moment, and then 375 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: and the president of football Operations has the final say 376 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 3: over ties or anything that's going on. 377 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: It's something you don't want to work at. It's very sporadic. 378 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: Any any time, a type of team that has an 379 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: ownership that you don't know what they're gonna do, what 380 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: what their next move is is an organization you do 381 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: not want to join. 382 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: I do want to say on one thing on Red 383 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: Carthon right. 384 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk terrible job, by the way, 385 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't think so either. 386 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: And I have some of his moves on here. 387 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: Like I would say the Calvin Ridley move is probably 388 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: the biggest kind of looking on what he's done in 389 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: terms of trades, drafting or signing, uh, signing guys because 390 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: that four for ninety two doesn't look great right now. 391 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: But again, who's the quarterback? You draft Will Levis? 392 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: And I don't know if you're drafting them thinking he's 393 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: the guy you use a Day two pick on him. 394 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: But let's be real, like we we knew Will Levis 395 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: you transfer from Penn State to Kentucky. We didn't think 396 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: that he should be his top tier prospects out. 397 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: By the way, the whole building agreed on that too. 398 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if they threw him under the bus. 399 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: And the Will Levis everybody there agreed on the Will 400 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Levis colection. 401 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: So you're you are. 402 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: You have the group think of liking Will Levis, right, 403 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: and that hasn't worked out. 404 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: But then you signed Calvin Ridley. That does work. 405 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 3: You signed Tony Pollard, that did work out. He had 406 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: a pretty good year on that the first year. 407 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: Of his deal. Hollard worked out. And here's the thing 408 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: with Calvin Ridley, even though I did not like that, 409 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: contract right now. And I though i've I've compared to 410 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: the average person, I've been lower on Calvin Ridley than most. 411 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: He's still got you a thousand yards, right, And if 412 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: you did have that quarterback, you wanted to bring in 413 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: something for him to at least like, let's get an idea, 414 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: like let's figure out what he is exactly this year, 415 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: and let's not have any let's not have excuses of 416 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: why we don't know what Will Levis is. And that's 417 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: what Calvin Ridley did for them. He was their number 418 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: one wide receiver. He's a good receiver. I agree giving 419 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: him that level of player that contract at that age 420 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and some of the question marks about Calvin Ley is there, 421 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: but they like they at least if they do draft 422 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: a quarterback, Calvin Ridley being on that roster is good 423 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: for that quarterback. 424 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: You brought in karth On to kind of right the 425 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: ship and have that reset, and then you didn't give 426 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: him the opportunity to actually have his vision go into place. 427 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: That's the thing that kind of frustrates me. Now, I'm 428 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: not going to say it's the right or wrong move, 429 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 3: because again, his drafts Scarronsky Lewis will shake ty Ja Spears, Okay, 430 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: you have some starters there, Latham Sweat, Okay, we're good 431 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: there on the top end. 432 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: The back half of those drafts haven't been super great. 433 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: A good player for them, but the other guys really 434 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: haven't played Gray Jackson the right. 435 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: I I think if you're hiring a GM, you have 436 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: to give them a few years to get their their 437 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: their vision set. 438 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: And they they did not want to hit the reset button. 439 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: Amy Adams Trunk got very pissed that they went three 440 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: and fourteen, second worst record in Titans franchise history since 441 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: they moved to Tennessee. And now hopefully I hope Amy 442 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: Adams Trunk's listening, so I know she will be. You 443 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: have to give Callahan, you have to give your a 444 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: new GM. You have to give uh Brinker some leeway here. 445 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: You're you have the number one pick for a reason. 446 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: Your roster is not good. Let's go, let's figure it out. 447 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: Start from pick one in twenty twenty five and build 448 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: your team. Trust the people in your building. You have 449 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: them there for a reason. 450 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Which is what they won't do, which is the Titan 451 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: should have reset. I think they should have fired fired 452 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: uh Brinker fired, made callahana one and done and fired Carthon, 453 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: but especially not they have the number one overall pick. 454 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a very important I think you 455 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: need everybody on the same page. Instead now you have. 456 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: Now you're basically hiring a GM to be the assistant GM, 457 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: which again makes you a very undesirable job, because it's 458 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: not even like every GM job is desirable in a 459 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: sense because like, hey, if because people believe in themselves, right, Like, 460 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: even if this isn't the best I believe in myself, 461 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the guy. I'll get two years at least, 462 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it work to where I'm not someone 463 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: that's getting fired. Well, now you don't even get to 464 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: have that confidence because you don't know who's you don't 465 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: know if you're gonna get the make the decisions that 466 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: you want to. 467 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: I just think it's really funny that they promoted Rand Carthon, 468 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 3: they added the title the executive vice president to twenty 469 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: twenty four, and then all of a sudden one year later, 470 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: like what changed? Like what was like the big change? 471 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: Like that you were the worst team in football? 472 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: Like was that it? If? 473 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: So that also falls on Callahan said for being the 474 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: worst even football. I don't understand how you fire Carthon 475 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: and not Callahan. It's either both stay or both go. 476 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: And I just can't believe that the Tennessee Titans did it. 477 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: Oh wait, I actually can say have been doing it 478 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: the last two years. 479 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the big the biggest reason for that was 480 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: Will Levis. Who was their decision? You know they all 481 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: I guess Callahan wasn't there for that, but like you know, 482 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: mister Chad Brinker agreed on that decision. So you got 483 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: anything else on the Titans? 484 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: No? 485 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: All right? So want to finish off with this because 486 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's too early to be like, ah, 487 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: where should this guy go? Where should this guy go? 488 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: What is like one head coaching a team pairing that 489 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: you're like wanting to happen As a general NFL fan. 490 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: I have two answers I want to say, but I'll 491 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: keep them brief because I I don't want to go 492 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: too long on one of these. I think like a 493 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: realistic option, I think that's gonna happen. Is like Aaron 494 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: Glenn to the Saints. He's worked there. Gale Bentson liked 495 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn when he was there. He's really high regarded 496 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 3: in Detroit. When he's been in New Orleans with Dan 497 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: Camillore on that same staff with Sean Payton, I think 498 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: that's something that's gonna happen. Uh New Orleans. I don't 499 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 3: know if they need like a full on reset, but 500 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 3: they have to figure stuff out on both sides of 501 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: the ball. Uh there might they might not be in 502 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: as bad of a spot as say a Tennessee Titans 503 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: or Vegas Raiders. So I kind of think that's a 504 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: realistic option the one I really want to see, and 505 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know if this would work out. 506 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 3: But the NFL is quote unquote the no fun League, right. 507 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: We always make jokes saying about it, the no fun League. 508 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: Let's get a little entertainment, a little drama. 509 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: No that I was thinking about it. 510 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: You can say Rex Ryan to the Jets, Hell, yeah. 511 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: Baby, Rex Ryan's to the Jets. Listen. 512 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: I know bringing back a coach doesn't usually work, and 513 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: I get it. I'm not saying this as a Jets 514 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: fan saying bring back Rosryan. I think we're gonna win 515 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I'm saying it as a football fan. 516 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: We saw the turmoil in the craziness that happen with 517 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: the New York Jets and Aaron Nodges this season. I think, 518 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: if you want to top it off, I think Rex 519 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: is a good coach, I really do. 520 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: I know the time off will not help him. 521 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: I think pairing Rex Ryan to the Jets again, the 522 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: most successful coach they've had over the last fifteen years, 523 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: brought him to the Championship Game twice. 524 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if he would do a good job. 525 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: I think he might, but I'm saying I kind of 526 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: want to see it because I think that would make 527 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 3: the NFL more fun. Bring Sexy Rexy back to New York, 528 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: put him front and center, put his face right on 529 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 3: the New York Times and post. 530 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: I think it'd be really electric. 531 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: You know who I want to be the next head 532 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: coach of the Jets, Ryan Florenes, my landlord, and the 533 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: guy that's outside my window right now measuring my windows 534 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: because he's they're going to installing impact windows for hurricanes 535 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: and I'm looking him dead and the eye right now. 536 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: All at least he could brace the storm. 537 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: He's Italian. His name's den know he you know he could. 538 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: He could fit perfectly in New Jersey. So Rex Ryan. 539 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: I actually people are dismissing that. If you ask me, 540 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: out of all the people they've hired that I think 541 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: has the best, like has the best ads right now, 542 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: it's Rex Ryan. Like if I'm you know, now, if 543 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: I'm taking Rex Ryan of the field, I'm taking the field. 544 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: But I think Woody Johnson might actually freaking do that. 545 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: But it'd be a terrible mistake as a football fan, 546 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: and and you know, to just be like, I can't 547 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: believe they're doing it. It'd be amazing, it'd be a 548 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: terrible mistake. Here's what I still believe in Trevor Lawrence. 549 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: They've got a talent like Brian Thomas Junior there. Their 550 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: other rest of the receiving room has some talent you 551 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: haven't Evan Ingram there. I want to see Liam Cohen 552 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: go to the Jags. Now, the Jags are not going 553 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: to be desirable because for some reason they've kept Trent Balkey. 554 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: But and I think they could have been a very 555 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: desirable place if they did get rid of Trent Balky. 556 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: But coaching with that roster, I think Liam Cohen would 557 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: have them as a as a competing for that division 558 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: next year. Like I think that they might even they 559 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: might even go to my like my favorites for that division, 560 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: depending on how their off season goes. I would I 561 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: would love to see Liam Cohen uh there right, he 562 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: has some of the college you know roots, spend a 563 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: year with Todd Bowles, you know, so maybe you can 564 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: pull from that defensively with his mindset and you come 565 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: for the rams, you know, with Sean McVay. Like I 566 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: just I think Liam Cohen is probably, to me, is 567 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: probably the best head coaching candidate out there. I actually 568 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: think more so than Ben Johnson, because I think the 569 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: head coach is much more than just scheming up exits 570 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: and o's and here's with Ben. As much as I 571 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: love Ben Johnson, I still have question marks of like 572 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: you're allowed to do whatever you want with that Detroit 573 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: Lions offensive line, right, you know, like adult I'm sure 574 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: you're someone who's you know, drown up plays on on 575 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, on a pen of paper when you're bored 576 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's all cool and nasty, and then 577 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: you realize like you have like five guys out and 578 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: it's like, how are you gonna protect against this? 579 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: Right? 580 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: Where the lines allow you, they give you that opportunity 581 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: to draw whatever you want. Uh So, I just would 582 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the best quarterback of a team that 583 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: has a head coaching vacancy is Trevor Lawrence, right, I mean, Kayleb. 584 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: Williams can can be that. But I'm trying to think 585 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: like I think that's the best. 586 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: It's I'll run it down for you. 587 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: It's right now, Raiders, it's aoc Or Desmond Ridder, Jets, 588 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: it could be Rogers, probably not Jacksonville, Lawrence, Bears is, 589 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. Saints is probably moving off with Derek Carr, 590 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: so Jake Hayner questioned Mark Spencer Ratler, and the Pats 591 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 3: is Drake May, which is also another Yeah, so. 592 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: You can make an argument that Drake May and Kyle 593 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: Williams are better situations right now, but Trevor Lawrence is 594 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: the best out of those guys right now. Yeah, And 595 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: you have a Brian Thomas junior who allows you to 596 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: do so much the way he takes the top off 597 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: of a defense and the size that he has. So 598 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: I just I would love to see the offensive mind 599 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: of Liam Cohen with Trevor Lawrence and Briant Tom. 600 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: The only thing I would say to that is that one. 601 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: It would be really funny if the Bucks oc gets 602 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: poached back to back years with Canalis and then now 603 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: Liam Cohen potentially uh two going back to the Sean 604 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: McVay tree of coaching, right, I feel like that's a 605 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: my favorite branch and root that you want to go 606 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: to because it's been working out. Uh see Kevin O'Connell. 607 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell as the big example right now. But I 608 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: kind of don't want to see that. And I'm not 609 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: even saying that as a Colts fan. I like Liam Cohen, 610 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: uh Kentucky rams back to Kentucky now with the Bucks 611 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: I uh, I kind of want him to be successful. 612 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 3: And I really think with Balky as general manager, you know, 613 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: Balkey somehow, I don't know if it's blackmail or what 614 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: it is. He just survives situations. He did it with 615 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, He did it with Jim Harball. 616 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 3: If you're able to get Jim Harball, who is an 617 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: unbelievable coach, a winning coach at any at any spot 618 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: he's been in. Quite frankly, I don't want Liam Cohen 619 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: to be paired up with this guy because if they're 620 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: unsuccessful you know who's getting to blame and Balky's gonna 621 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: say it ain't me. 622 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if if anything, they'll just clean house with 623 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: both of them. So I agree. So like I'm just 624 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: thinking of like just this next year, Like I'd love 625 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: to see Liam Collen with Trevor Lawrence and Brian Thomas 626 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: and some of the pieces they have there. All right, 627 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: that's an episode of Football Today. We all wish Justin well, 628 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: you know, I hope he's hope he's doing all right. 629 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: We will see you on Friday for a preview of 630 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the wild card round. We'll see you then. Until then, 631 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: this is Football Today.