WEBVTT - Mel Robbins: How to Use the ‘Let Them Theory’ (A Life Changing Mindset Hack That 15 Million People Can’t Stop Talking About)

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<v Speaker 1>Every human being has a hard wired need to be

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<v Speaker 1>in control of everything. There's three things in your control JA,

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<v Speaker 1>what you think, what you do or don't do, and

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<v Speaker 1>how you process your emotions. If you embrace the skill,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>This is by far one of the best self helpe

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<v Speaker 2>books I've ever read.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Mind and Soul are in for a Tree, The

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<v Speaker 1>Queen of grounded science backed personal development Mail Robbist.

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<v Speaker 2>Work has been seen as the number one cause of stress.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a customer that's really rude, you lose a

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<v Speaker 1>big account, you get passed over for something. As you

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<v Speaker 1>notice the stress come up, Jay, You're simply going to

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<v Speaker 1>say let them. If you focus and try to manage

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<v Speaker 1>things that are never going to be within your control,

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<v Speaker 1>it only creates stress, anxiety, and frustration for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine, for every thought you had about that person, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay them a dollar. That's how much energy,

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<v Speaker 2>time and money is being wasted.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no idea right now how much time and

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<v Speaker 1>energy is being wasted or drained because of other people's

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<v Speaker 1>behavior or your expectations about how you wish things would go.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I think my legacy. I think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing I was supposed to figure out and

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<v Speaker 1>leave the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The number one health and wellness podcast, Jay Setty Jay Setty.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're struggling right now with things you can't control,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is for you. If you're someone who's struggling

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<v Speaker 2>at work and negative people and toxic culture, this episode's

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<v Speaker 2>for you. If you're someone who's struggling with your family

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<v Speaker 2>members and your friends and setting boundaries, these episodes for you. So,

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<v Speaker 2>mel where I want to start is work has been

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<v Speaker 2>seen as the number one cause of stress. You write

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<v Speaker 2>about this book in people's lives. How can they let

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<v Speaker 2>them theory help people in the place that causes then

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<v Speaker 2>the most stress.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an excellent question. So first, let me no pun intended.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me explain the theory. So in case you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>bumped into this online, the theory is very simple. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a mindset tool that instantly helps you identify what's

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<v Speaker 1>in your control and what's not in your control. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason why this is important is because any psychologists will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that if you focus and try to manage

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<v Speaker 1>things that are never going to be within your control,

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<v Speaker 1>it only creates stress, anxiety, and frustration for you. When

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<v Speaker 1>you take the context of work. There is so much

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<v Speaker 1>inside your day to day life at work that is irritating.

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<v Speaker 1>It is stressful. It is annoying from the endless meetings

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<v Speaker 1>and no time to get work done to if you're

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that is working in a retail store, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>shift work. You don't have control over what shifts. You

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<v Speaker 1>get to feeling like you don't have the chance for promotion.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just endless. And the way that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the let them theory is anytime something is

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<v Speaker 1>happening at work that stresses you out, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>customer that's really rude, you lose a big account, you

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<v Speaker 1>get passed over for something, your idea gets dismissed in

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<v Speaker 1>a work meeting. As you notice the stress come up, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're simply going to say, let them. Let my boss

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<v Speaker 1>be in a bad mood, let my colleague take credit,

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<v Speaker 1>let the customer be rude to me. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds almost like you're being a doormat and you're

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<v Speaker 1>being passive. It's the exact opposite. When you say let them,

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<v Speaker 1>you're recognizing that the situation right now that has just

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<v Speaker 1>happened has already happened, and that there is no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to allow it to stress you out. When you allow

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<v Speaker 1>your boss's mood to stress you out or make you nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>you're giving power to your boss that they do not deserve,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you're going to say let them. When you

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<v Speaker 1>allow a customer that is rude or inconsiderate to make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel bad about yourself, or to make you upset,

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<v Speaker 1>or to rattle you, you just gave this rude person

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<v Speaker 1>power over you. When you say let them, something interesting happens.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you detach. Second, you feel almost superior.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this weird thing because I don't think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing as saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a very grounded person. Jay, you strike me as

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of person that can let anything go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ha me.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever somebody would say to me, mel I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's not fair, which just happened at work. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta let it go, I'd be like, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I lost. I feel like I now have to

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<v Speaker 1>be defeated. I feel more like a doormat. If somebody

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<v Speaker 1>tells me to let something go.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the difference between let it go and let them?

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<v Speaker 1>For me, when I say let them, I get a

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<v Speaker 1>jolt to superiority because I'm like, I can see that

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<v Speaker 1>my boss is kind of a jerk, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to let them be a jerk, and I rise

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<v Speaker 1>above it. And I feel a little judgy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being perfectly honest, I mean, this is why

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<v Speaker 1>people get this tattooed on their bodies. Because when you

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<v Speaker 1>say that word let them, or you see it on

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<v Speaker 1>your arm, what happens is you no longer allowed a

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<v Speaker 1>rude colleague or something frustrating at work to derail your day.

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<v Speaker 1>You say let them, and you rise above it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of go, I see what's happening here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to allow this without allowing it. But then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a second part, Jay, and this is the most important part,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the part that people do not tattoo on

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<v Speaker 1>themselves because it's the harder part. And the second part

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<v Speaker 1>of this theory is saying yourself, let me, let me

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<v Speaker 1>remind myself that in life, there are always three things

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<v Speaker 1>I can control. That's where my power is. My power

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<v Speaker 1>is not in managing my boss or in trying to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with some customer that just doesn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>in an okay mood, and doesn't want to be calmed down.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to be right. They want to take it

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<v Speaker 1>out on you. So you're gonna let them. But then

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<v Speaker 1>you've created this boundary you rise above. I'm gonna just

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<v Speaker 1>let you be upset here. I'm not gonna let it

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<v Speaker 1>impact me. And then you say let me. And what

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<v Speaker 1>you're reminding yourself of is there's three things in your control.

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<v Speaker 1>Ja what you think, next, what you do or don't do,

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<v Speaker 1>and oftentimes not doing something. It's the more powerful mood

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<v Speaker 1>and how you process your emotions. Those are the three

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<v Speaker 1>things that are always in your control. And when you say,

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<v Speaker 1>let me take responsibility right now for how I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to respond to this. And the word responsibility, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>is the ability to respond right. And so when you

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<v Speaker 1>say let me, and you remember, I can think what

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<v Speaker 1>I want about this, I can act in response to this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can process my emotions and either allow them

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<v Speaker 1>to rise and fall and stay steady and calm, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can certainly irrupt if you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But why would you want to, because then that means

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<v Speaker 1>you've given power to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we so distracted and obsessed with things we

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<v Speaker 2>can't control. I'm sure, we all have a friend or

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<v Speaker 2>know someone who knows they need to be working on

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<v Speaker 2>their business, but they're talking about the news. They know

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<v Speaker 2>they should be writing their book, but they're focused on

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<v Speaker 2>talking about politics. They know they should be building the

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<v Speaker 2>next stage in their career or whatever it may be,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get that promotion, work towards that next threshold

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever they're trying to achieve, but they're distracted by

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<v Speaker 2>talking about all the people, all the things, all the

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that they can do nothing about. Why are we

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<v Speaker 2>so addicted to it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think there's two reasons, because your question is

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<v Speaker 1>about two different things. One is why are we focused

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<v Speaker 1>on things we can't control? And the other one is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like why are we distracted? And they're interconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just address the issue of control. Every human

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<v Speaker 1>being has a hard wired need to be in control

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<v Speaker 1>of everything because being in control is what makes you

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<v Speaker 1>feel safe. So I need to feel in control of

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<v Speaker 1>my thoughts, my decisions, my environment, my future. And the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is so do you. But part of the need

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<v Speaker 1>for control jay extends beyond me, because if you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>something that makes me annoyed or irritated or worried, about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm feeling a little unsafer, worried because of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing, and so now I'm going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>control you so that I feel better. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>is a fundamental, hardwired need inside every human being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be in control of yourself. And yet the second

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<v Speaker 1>we step across the line and we try to control

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<v Speaker 1>someone else, whether it's I think you should be healthier,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should be more motivated. I wish you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't like leave the kleenexes when you're blowing your nose

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<v Speaker 1>on the whatever it is that you wish someone else

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<v Speaker 1>would do. I wish my boss wouldn't talk in every

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<v Speaker 1>meeting and would give a chance for us to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that desire for someone else to change. Is

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<v Speaker 1>you attempting to control the uncontrollable. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why we do this is because

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<v Speaker 1>we're hardwired to do it. And the problem becomes that

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<v Speaker 1>the second I try to control you, Jay, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to motivate you to do what I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to do. It's going to bump up against your need

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<v Speaker 1>for your own control. So you're going to push back

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<v Speaker 1>against me absolutely, And so you also asked about distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the reason why we're so distracted is because

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<v Speaker 1>if you spend so much time and energy allowing the

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<v Speaker 1>world around you to stress you out and drain your energy,

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<v Speaker 1>you are now susceptible to being hijacked by meaningless things

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<v Speaker 1>that are not important to you. And this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest discoveries that I've made about using the

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<v Speaker 1>let them theory and researching it has spread around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the single biggest benefit is that you get

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<v Speaker 1>time and energy back. You have no idea right now

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<v Speaker 1>how much time and energy is being wasted or drained

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<v Speaker 1>because of other people's behavior or your expectations about how

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<v Speaker 1>you wish things would go. And once you start noticing

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<v Speaker 1>all of these little moments all day long, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a death by a thousand cus. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know why you're too tired? You want to know why

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<v Speaker 1>you're overwhelmed, You want to know why you're stressed out,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know why you have no time for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because of the power you give to other people's opinions,

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<v Speaker 1>their emotions, their immature behavior. It's the ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>you are turning people into a problem in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the sad fact. The sad fact is other

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<v Speaker 1>people should be the greatest source of happiness and connection

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<v Speaker 1>and inspiration. But if you don't truly learn this skill

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to talk about today of focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>what you can control and letting people be who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>letting things play out as they're playing out, and then

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the power back in house, and really focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>how you responded. If you embrace this skill, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be shocked. You're going to be shocked by how

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<v Speaker 1>much time you've wasted, I'm not kidding. Yeah, And you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be shocked jay by the fact that you've

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<v Speaker 1>allowed stupid things and people's drama to drain you. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I also think we're so susceptible to distraction

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<v Speaker 1>because we've given so much power away all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>Because here's the truth. I'll give you an example when

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<v Speaker 1>I first discovered this and I started playing around with it.

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<v Speaker 1>The very first way that I used it after I

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<v Speaker 1>discovered it was I was standing in line and we've

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<v Speaker 1>all been at the grocery store when it's like six

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<v Speaker 1>people deep and there's one person working, and it's like, beep, beep,

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<v Speaker 1>beep and you start feeling that wave right and immediately

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<v Speaker 1>the wave of stress takes over because you're now irritated

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<v Speaker 1>by what's happening. And what just happens when you start

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<v Speaker 1>reacting to that and you allow that stress wave to

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<v Speaker 1>start to take over, is that you're giving power to

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<v Speaker 1>something outside of you. Now, I can't control what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now, so why on earth would I allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to brain my energy? Because as it comes up, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I then do? I then start talking to myself, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is ridiculous. Why have they not done an announcement

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<v Speaker 1>like I gotta get going here? Why are they not

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<v Speaker 1>bringing another Now I'm starting to believe, Jay, that I

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<v Speaker 1>can run a supermarket better than the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>running it. And then you, of course turn to the

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<v Speaker 1>person behind you and your role, like can you believe this?

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<v Speaker 1>And now this is the interesting part that I really

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<v Speaker 1>want everybody. I really want the person listening to embrace.

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<v Speaker 1>In that moment, you just gave away your energy and

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<v Speaker 1>you have a choice. When you say let them, you

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<v Speaker 1>instantly feel a release and then you say, let me

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<v Speaker 1>decide what I'm gonna do right now? Am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to I can leave the store. That's one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>can do. I could stand here and practice being present.

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<v Speaker 1>It's another thing I could do. I could because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have time at the end of the day and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always tired and I'm complaining that I'm lonely. I

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<v Speaker 1>could actually pick up the phone and call my grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>I could text my friend Jayshetty because I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about them. Like, you have so much power, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to burn through it in that line, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to feel your stress activated, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get in the car and then somebody is

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<v Speaker 1>going to pull out in front of you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to like be stressed again. And then you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to walk into work and you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>annoyed in some meeting because of what something somebody said,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that's going to hit you again an all

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<v Speaker 1>day long. Because you don't recognize how this stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>impacting you. That energy inside your body is slowly draining,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is why you're exhausted, and so simply starting

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<v Speaker 1>to use it, whether it's at work or it's just

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<v Speaker 1>in your daily life, to say, let them when you

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<v Speaker 1>notice that somebody else is irritating you or your sister

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is doing that annoying thing. Just letter, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let her.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the example. That example was great, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>how you explain that difference between just how much you

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<v Speaker 2>notice how your whole life gets immersed in this tiny

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you now talk about it. I've thought about it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were late somewhere, you're getting somewhere with some

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<v Speaker 2>struggle in trouble, and you had a bad journey getting somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll talk about it to everyone. You'll be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this person cut us off in traffic, and then there

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<v Speaker 2>was this new driver that was figuring ou how to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the cops were around. If you had the

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<v Speaker 2>best journey, easiest journey here you describe it in one sentence, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just get so absorbed. And so I love

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<v Speaker 2>that example. I want to paint in another scenario for

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<v Speaker 2>people to really understand the system. Let's say you have

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<v Speaker 2>a partner, boyfriend, girlfriend, maybe you're married to them, and

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<v Speaker 2>this person always turns up from work a little bit late.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't wash the dishes. You wake up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>the dishes are always still out there. There's a sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you've told them this urged you a million times?

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<v Speaker 1>Did my husband ask you to ask me this question, Jake.

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<v Speaker 2>He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris has your number, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so I'm mean, I'm speaking from so much,

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<v Speaker 2>not direct personal experience, but personal ext winds in so

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<v Speaker 2>many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're saying this person's not changing. They haven't changed,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the fundamental role everybody. Number one, You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>change another human being. It is impossible for you to

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<v Speaker 1>change somebody else. Now, you can influence them, but you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot change them. People only change if they feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it and if they can. And wanting and wishing is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful thing. Wanting and wishing somebody to be cleaner

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<v Speaker 1>and to pick up after themselves, Wanting your kids to

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<v Speaker 1>be more motivated, Wanting the people that you love to

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<v Speaker 1>take better care of themselves and to be healthier, to

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<v Speaker 1>date somebody that is normal and healthy instead of the

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<v Speaker 1>losers that treat them like crap. That's a beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 1>for you to want for other people, and you deserve

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, and you should do that. Wanting people

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<v Speaker 1>to change is not the problem. Wanting bigger possibilities for

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<v Speaker 1>people is not the problem. How we go about it is,

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<v Speaker 1>And so in this scenario that you're talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful example because you have to say let them.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the dishes in the sink. It makes you

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<v Speaker 1>upset because you feel disrespected and that it's annoying, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have higher standards for cleanliness, which means you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>just going to do them anyway, and then you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to feel like you're really taking whatever for granted. But

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say let them. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why is because number one, if this is a

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<v Speaker 1>long term, committed partnership, learning how to love somebody as

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<v Speaker 1>they are is a form of love that is deeply important.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you can't say let them in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to get frustrated and angry, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to come to the next part of

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<v Speaker 1>the let them theory with tremendous intensity and judgment and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not going to motivate change. What it does when

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<v Speaker 1>you judge somebody or you push against them, is it

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<v Speaker 1>actually creates it's resistance to change. So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>say let them because it allows you to detach from

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<v Speaker 1>your emotions and detach from judgment. Right, it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I see what's happened I'm accepting the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let them.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you come to the let me part. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>something that bothers you? And if it is, remember you

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<v Speaker 1>got three things. I can choose what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this, and so you could think a good thought.

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<v Speaker 1>You could think, okay, good intention. They were probably super

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<v Speaker 1>busy this morning and they meant to do it later.

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<v Speaker 1>Let them Okay, I'm going to choose to believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>You could also then remind yourself. Let me remind myself

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<v Speaker 1>there's something I can do about this, right, And if

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important, what you need to do about this

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<v Speaker 1>is have a conversation. And by the way, Chris has

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<v Speaker 1>had this conversation with me a bazillion times. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you walk into our bathroom, Chris's bathroom probably looks like

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<v Speaker 1>your side of the sink, which is it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>zen seven star hotel Jay like, there's not a speck

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<v Speaker 1>on that man's like basin or whatever you call it.

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<v Speaker 1>You you look at mine, it looks like somebody tipped

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<v Speaker 1>over a Walgreens aisle on top of that thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>it drives Chris crazy. But what particularly drives them crazy

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<v Speaker 1>is when something migrates from my side to his side right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's asked me. He's asked me to please

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<v Speaker 1>keep my stuff over there. He has asked me to

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<v Speaker 1>please flatten cardboard boxes when they come in, don't please pack,

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<v Speaker 1>don't unpack them, and then stack them by the garage door,

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<v Speaker 1>as if I'm supposed to do it. And he's asked

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<v Speaker 1>me and asked me and ask me, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>forget well, he finally sat me down, Jay, And this

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<v Speaker 1>is to let me part. You have to take responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for explaining to somebody what you need and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why this is important to you. Because when Chris said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I know you don't intend this, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the impact Mal When I see the cardboard boxes stacked,

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<v Speaker 1>or I see your hair brush in fifteen products of

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<v Speaker 1>yours on my countertop, it actually makes me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you think I'm the maid and we don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a maid. Like it's just like it makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you think it's my job to clean up after you,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't make me feel loved. Now, when he

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<v Speaker 1>took the time, in a very calm way, to drop

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<v Speaker 1>into his values and communicate what he needed, something interesting

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<v Speaker 1>happens if you're in a committed, loving partnership and you're

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody who wants to do better and cares about you,

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<v Speaker 1>it taps into their intrinsic motivation to build new skills.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have that kind of conversation with somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>you explain how their behavior impacts you, whether it's their

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<v Speaker 1>drinking or it's the tone of their voice, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they leave their stuff everywhere, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>that they insist that you spend every holiday with their

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<v Speaker 1>family and they have no interest in your whatever. The

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<v Speaker 1>issue is, if you sit somebody down and you take responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>you've let them be and you've let them shown you

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<v Speaker 1>who they are, and then you say, let me sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and talk about this and take responsibility. I have

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to respond to this a mature adult, and

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<v Speaker 1>you actually express what you need and why, and that

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<v Speaker 1>person doesn't try. You have to let them. And here's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Their behavior is telling you the truth. Their behavior is

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<v Speaker 1>telling you what they care about and what their priorities are.

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<v Speaker 1>And if their behavior is telling you that your needs

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<v Speaker 1>are not a priority, you have to let them reveal

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<v Speaker 1>that because yes, because then you're going to come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the second part, which is let me ask myself,

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<v Speaker 1>is this kind of behavior from somebody what I deserve?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what I'm willing to accept in somebody? Because again,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we also know? People only change when they

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<v Speaker 1>want to or they can. And you might be in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where somebody would really love to change, but

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<v Speaker 1>they can't because they're dealing with some challenge right now,

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<v Speaker 1>or they don't have the skill yet. And you may decide,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's the case, to still love and accept the person.

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<v Speaker 1>But there may be times where you have had the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and it is very clear they're capable of it,

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<v Speaker 1>they just won't do it. And what I find in

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<v Speaker 1>relationships where that sort of invisible distance and the frustration

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<v Speaker 1>and the resentment comes up is twofold number one. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't detach from your emotions and say let them and

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<v Speaker 1>really fully just let the person be who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't do the part let me where you

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<v Speaker 1>actually take responsibility for expressing in a mature way what

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<v Speaker 1>you need and how their behavior impacts you. And so

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't ever express what you need and how

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<v Speaker 1>it's impacting you, you're not actually giving somebody the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to build a skill or to change or to love

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<v Speaker 1>you the way that you need them to love you

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<v Speaker 1>so that you feel loved. The second mistake that I

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<v Speaker 1>see constantly is that you make the ask and then

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<v Speaker 1>the person doesn't do it, and then you start making

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<v Speaker 1>excuses and resentment builds, and you stay in something seeing

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<v Speaker 1>exactly who someone is wishing they would change, living up

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<v Speaker 1>here in your mind about the fantasy of what you wish.

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<v Speaker 1>This was refusing to accept the reality of what it

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<v Speaker 2>You've just unlocked a whole new meaning of let them

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<v Speaker 2>for me. How so I've always understood let them when

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard you speak about it, when I read the book,

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of let them be who they are, let

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<v Speaker 2>them act the way they want to act, let them

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<v Speaker 2>say and do whatever they want to do. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to let them. I have to keep that distance. What

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<v Speaker 2>you just unlocked for me, which I really want to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone to grapple with because I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>so powerful. Is this idea of let them also show

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<v Speaker 2>you who they are? Yes, And if they're showing you

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<v Speaker 2>who they are, let them be that person. Don't make

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<v Speaker 2>them the person you imagine them to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>you want them to be the one that you're wishing

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<v Speaker 2>and waiting and hoping for them to be. They are

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<v Speaker 2>that person. Yes, let them be that is Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>my mind is literally blown because that is so powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>But you still have power. Jay, Here's the most important thing, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most important thing. This is the epiphany

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<v Speaker 1>that I had too. Like, holy cow, I still get

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<v Speaker 1>to choose. I still get to choose use. I get

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<v Speaker 1>to choose how much time and energy I pour into this,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's this issue, or it's this topic, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>this person. And here's how you know, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually love somebody for who they are and who they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you end your complaining and bitching about it? Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't do that, then this is something you're

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<v Speaker 1>holding on too, and you're holding over the other person.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they're never going to change, you now have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem because the only thing that's going to make

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship better is either them hearing you and caring

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<v Speaker 1>enough and being able to adjust, or you being the

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>one to adjust, because it's your complaining about it that

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>is creating the friction and the resentment. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not only with romantic relationships, Like when I think about

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the broader applications of this for family, there are very

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>challenging people in my extended family. It's like everybody's family, right,

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 1>and so there's always one person in your life that

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<v Speaker 1>you wish there just wasn't drama with you, wish they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a challenging demeanor or personality. The let them

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<v Speaker 1>theory has fundamentally profoundly changed my relationship also with people

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 1>that have been difficult because when I say let them, like,

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 1>let's say you're talking you, we're talking about somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>very narcissistic or dramatic or victim or they it's always

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>about them and very draining person to be around. Well,

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason why they're draining is because you

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>brace and you get ready for it, and you allow

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>their energy to impact you. And I always find it funny,

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Jay that, especially in families and at work, we allow

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the most challenging person to have the biggest impact on

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the whole system. So if you have one person that's

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 1>narcissistic in their personality style, or that is very very

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.479
<v Speaker 1>dramatic and immature in their personality style, they're one. If

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you imagine a spider web, right, I think about a

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>system of relationships like a spider web, and you're out

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, the do's on it when you have

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>a challenging person, because we all tiptoe around this person,

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>that person's energy is like tap tap tap and shakes

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>all the do off. I believe the opposite is true,

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>especially after learning to let them theory, because there's been

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>people in my life, both in work life and in

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>my family life where when that person's around, I literally

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>shrink to eight years old. I'm dancing around their mood.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>We all have had an experience like this. Maybe you're

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>thinking about a boss, or your mother, or your father

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>in law, or a brother or whomever, an adult child.

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Right when I walk into these situations now and I say,

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 1>let them, let them be who they are. Why am

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I making it my job to manage your mood? Why

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>am I pouring time and energy into this drama? Let

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>me manage my energy. Let me remind myself. I can

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.360
<v Speaker 1>remove myself from any dinner table, any family text chain.

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I can remove myself from an interview, a date, a conversation,

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>a relationship anytime I want. And I believe Jay that

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the person that is the most peaceful and centered and powerful,

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 1>because you understand the power of your energy and your

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and your actions, you actually have more power in

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>any family system and any office building, in any room

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>anywhere than the most challenging person.

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I can agree more. I couldn't agree more. I love that.

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.239
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like when you start looking at your

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>energy and time, if you thought about it like money,

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and this idea that imagine for every thought you had

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>about that person, you had to pay them a dollar,

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and you think about how many dollars If you now

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>started account the amount of thoughts you having about that person,

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>about that situation, about what they said, about what they

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>said to so and so, what they thought about you,

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and you had to pay a dollar for every thought

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you had about them. That's how much energy and money

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>is being wasted. Yes, and we're not realizing where else

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>it could be invested put in. But I think you

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>hit the nail on the head there. The reason is

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>we feel so attached that we don't feel we can

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 2>actually leave. As tik Nahn would say, we would rather

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>live in the familiar pain, right than the unfamiliar pain.

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>At least we know what we're going to get with

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>this person, and there's a part of us that gets

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 2>attached to that, even subconsciously.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing, though, Jay, because I think it's

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a really important point that you're bringing up. But here's

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>what I think you're going to discover. I think you're

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>only attached to it because you don't value your time

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and energy.

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 2>For sure.

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You're only attached to it because you've never experienced anything else.

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why you're used to it is because

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>in the relationship dynamic, you're up in your head usually

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship, explaining a way behavior instead of actually

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>seeing it with clear eyes and detaching from it. And

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that's the other reason. And I know you knew this

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>instantly that the let them theory and saying let them

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and let me. One of the reasons why it's so

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>powerful and I'm so excited is I feel literally like

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:28.479
<v Speaker 1>I am surrounded by ancestors because this is a modern

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>application of ancient philosophy spiritual guidance, stoicism, detachment theory that

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you can then apply in any moment, in any relationship.

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And what I also love about this jay is that

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it allows you to truly see people, perhaps

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, and to give them the space

0:29:55.600 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to be who they are. And from that space, it's

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>amazing is you can let people. For example, a lot

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>of us are very triggered and motivated when somebody's disappointed

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 1>or when some or we think that somebody is gonna, like,

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, really be let down by us. And I

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>had this huge breakthrough because I used to feel really

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>guilty either by how much I work or the fact

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that Chris and I raised our kids on the East

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Coast and my parents are in the Midwest. And you know,

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I love my parents and I wish we all live together.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. They're not moving to me, and

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not moving to them. We got to let them right,

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of emotion about it. And I

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>know your family's all over the place too, so you

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>know you're not like I'm not saying anything because my

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>family listens to this s mouth. So so here's the thing.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>If I don't go home with my family for the holidays,

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:51.959
<v Speaker 1>my parents are disappointed. Let them be disappointed. I mean,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't that a beautiful thing that they're disappointed. Don't you

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>want somebody to be disappointed that you're not coming?

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>That really messes with people's minds, right, Yeah.

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Like whether you can't make it to a business engagement,

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>or you can't make it to a birthday party, or

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't make it this year home. I mean, what's

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the alternative that they're like, thank God Jay's not coming,

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't stand him. No, seriously, like, really wrap your

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>brain around this. And so when you say let them

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>be disappointed, something beautiful happens. You actually honor their experience

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of being human, you allow them to be adults. Yes,

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that is a sign that emotion that things are really

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>good in your relationships. But then you say let me,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and the old me would twist myself in knots and

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>then I would make myself feel bad, and then I

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>would question what I was doing, and then I'd bend

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>over backwards to try to be there and try to

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>be here. And instead, when I say let me, I

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 1>drop into my values. I deeply value family, and so

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>if they're disappointed, that's not the reason I would change plans.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I have to look at what do I think, what

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>do I want to do, and how am I going

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>to process my emotions? And so as someone else is disappointed,

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the old me would feel deeply guilty and conflicted. Now

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>with the lethn theory, I have space for them to

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>be disappointed and for me to feel a little sad.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>But if I change plans, I don't do it for them,

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>because if I change plans for them, guess what I

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>just did. I made them the villain in my life.

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>If I change plans because it makes me feel like

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>a good daughter, makes me feel good. Now I take

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>responsibility for my life and I am owning my decisions.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's a small nuance, but it's absolutely everything. Everything

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>And the other reason why I love this, especially as

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a parent of adult children, and you know there are

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>very This is a book about adult relationships, and so

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I make it very clear in the book, and there's

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>resources for parents with younger kids and back But one

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of the coolest things about this is that when you

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>let someone like have their emotions and you let someone

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>struggle while you say, I'm on the sidelines and I'm

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>here to support, but I know that the greatest teacher

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>in life is life, and I'm not going to shield

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>you from the consequences of some of the things that

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you're choosing. You're an adult, so I'm going.

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>To let you.

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>When you allow someone the space to process emotion and

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the space to face their struggles and the space to

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>heal on their own timeline and in their own way,

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you actually communicate that I believe that you can when

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you step in and try to force somebody to be

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>more motivated at school or you let's just take that one,

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of people that listen to my show,

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it's the same people that are listening

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to yours that write in are like, I don't know

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>how to make this person more motivated. Oh for sure, right,

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And so here's what I want you to understand. And

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>this was another huge breakthrough when I was writing this book.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>You want to know the hardest person, hardest working person

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>in a classroom, Jay, it's the kid who's struggling. It's

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>not the people that are getting straight a's. It's the

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>person who's having a really hard time. Wow, do you

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>want to know the hardest person that's working on their health?

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It's actually the person that's unhealthy because they know that

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>they want to be healthier, and so they are not stuck.

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>They're in deep conflict actively within themselves. And so if

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 1>somebody is already aware that there is a gap between

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>their potential and how they're performing, that there is a

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>gap between god given right to thrive and be happy

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and be connected and what their life actually feels like,

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>they know it. And then you come in and try

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to impose your will or your good ideas. Oh, thanks

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot. So I never thought that if I wanted

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>to get good grades, I needed to study and not

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>play video games. Thank you Einstein. Oh I should go

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>to the gym if I want to lose some way.

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Never thought of that. So you come in and you

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>have judgment and assumptions. What is it that's more pressure

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>on top of somebody who is actually already deeply conflicted

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>with themselves? Yeah, and so if you really embrace this

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and you understand that people change when they feel like

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>it and when they can. And if somebody's struggling, it's

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>because they're not able to. Right now, there's a skill

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that's missing, and one of the biggest things that's typically

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 1>missing is the belief that any of the small actions

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>will actually do anything anyway. Yeah, and so you coming

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in and imposing it, you know what that says. It

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>actually says I don't believe you can do this.

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it for you. Yes, I can do it

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>for you for you, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I remember me

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and Rady as you got married and we moved to America,

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 2>and RADI will say this herself that at that time

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 2>in her life had parents had made a lot of

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>big decisions for her, and she was following decisions that

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 2>they were making or opportunities that they were putting forward,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>and all of that was with good intention. And then

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>when we got married, she'd start to ask me for

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 2>my advice or my insight. This would be anything from

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>what plates we should buy for our apartment through to

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 2>like what kind of curtains we wanted. Right, We're talking

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>about really small everyday things. And I Remember I would

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>always say to well, what do you think? And she'd

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>always say, no, no, no, you just tell me. And

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, no, but what do you think? And

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>in the start it would really frustrate her, But now

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>she looks back and she goes that question helped her

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>so much because it helped her find her own identity,

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>her own strength, her own tastes, her own dislikes, and

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>now she's a whole human with opinions and it's so

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to what's that? And it was because I almost

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 2>had this fore visioning, or this thought that even if

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I make my life easier by just telling her my

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>tastes and dislikes and likes, it's only going to be

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 2>easy in the short term, because ten years from now,

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>she's going to think she'd became the person I wanted

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 2>her to be and never became the person she could

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>be right. And I could see that, and so I

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>set up and I was like, no, you just tell me.

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Until this day, I always practice something. I think you

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>look beautiful, but I want you to wear what you

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>want to wear. It shouldn't be about what I think

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>you look better in or worse. You know, that shouldn't

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.879
<v Speaker 2>be the case. And it's so interesting how we think

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>love is overcaring, but actually overcaring is over enabling that

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 2>person and overwhelming that person.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's control.

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It's control.

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>You're not like if you think about what love really is,

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>and for me, love is two things. It's consideration, right,

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>It's having someone in mind. If you pour in oat

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>milk instead of the cow milk because that's what they like,

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that's an act of love. It's also admiration, and admiration

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>is the ability to see something in somebody that you

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>deeply admire. I want to go back to something that

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you said though, because it was genius and it had

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>me think about the idea of the power of your

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>time and energy. And you were talking about imagine if

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like your time and your energy had dollars associated with it,

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think we value it. And I started

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to think about one of the biggest obstacles because what's

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>ultimately happening when you start to use let them and

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>let me, is you're going to see that you've turned

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>other people into a major problem. And you have turned

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 1>them into a problem in four ways. First of all,

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>you allow them to stress you out, but you're not

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>going to do that anymore because you're going to let

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>them be. But the second way that you've made them

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a major problem in your life is that you give

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>so much weight to other people's opinions. And in the

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>example you were just talking about what was happening is

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>by asking you what do you think.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Was doing?

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>What we all do but most of us do it

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>subconsciously and we don't even realize it, which is before

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>we even ask ourselves what feels right for us, we

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>stop and consider what we think somebody is going to think.

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 1>And you have that like really brilliant thing that I've

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 1>heard you say a bazillion times that I love. It's

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>not what you think you think of think And I'm like, wait, well,

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>but so I want to play this out because this

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>is so important. Was a huge thing for me. If

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 1>you open up your favorite social media platform, we've all

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>had the experience where you go and you pick a

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>photo and you then put it up and you're like, okay,

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>should a a filter on this? And you start to

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>then question is this right photo? And then you go

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>back to your photo role and then you start working

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>on the caption should I put emoji? Is this too much?

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>Should I do this? And then you are worried why

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>because you're actually thinking about what other people are going

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to think or do in response to what you're posting. Yes,

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>which means if you take the value of it right,

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you just overvalued something that you will never be able

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 1>to control ever, ever, ever, ever, and yet you're doing

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>it subconsciously. And what typically happens is if you notice

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody's got hundreds of draft posts, you know what that is.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>That is a graveyard of energy. You waste it on

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 1>something that you didn't you'll never be able to control

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>because the average person has seventy thousand random thoughts a day.

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>You can't even control half the crap that goes in

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.760
<v Speaker 1>your own mind. So what makes you think any post

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>is going to guarantee that any human being thinks anything?

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And the let them theory revealed to me Jay how

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>often I was subconsciously valuing, oh, for sure, someone else

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and that like, are they going to think negative? They

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna think this? Are they going to think too much?

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>And there's such a simple way to change this. You

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>just let them think negative thoughts.

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>The next time you catch yourself stopping to consider what

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you're going to post or what your colleagues might react to,

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's what's keeping you silent. Say to yourself, let

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>them think negative thoughts, because that's what you're actually afraid of.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>And so when you say let them think negative thoughts,

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>something wild happens. You accept the reality that no matter

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>what you do, it doesn't guarantee that anybody thinks anything.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 1>And then you say, let me And here's where this

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>gets really cool. Let me remind myself I can think

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>what I want and I can do what I want.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>And your social media, in particular, as you and I

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>both know, it's your self expression. That's what it's there for.

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>And if you can't allow yourself to express yourself there,

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>then it's going to be everywhere where you at it

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>yourself because you're not just letting people think negative thoughts.

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>But if you operate in a way now and you

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 1>now take the value, you take the money back. We're

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to pay Jay the money for his opinion.

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take the money back, and where I'm

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>going to put the value is operating in a way

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that makes me feel proud of myself. Because when I

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>operate in a way, whether I'm posting something or I'm

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>speaking in a meeting, or I'm showing up and not

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>responding to my dramatic whatever. I'm proud of myself. And

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>when you're proud of yourself, you don't even consider what

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>other people are thinking, because you've just anchored all of

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>your worth inside of yourself. And that's why this is

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 1>another reason why this is so unbelievably powerful.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the truth is, no one's thinking about you

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>for as long as you think it's true. No one's

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 2>thinking about you for as much as you think. No

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 2>one's thinking about you as much as they even say

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>that thinking about you. And we, just like you said,

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>we keep draining that energy, consumed by it. You reminded

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 2>me of the beautiful Charles Houghton Cooley quote, and he

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>wrote this in eighteen ninety and he said, the challenge

0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 2>today is I'm not what I think I am. I'm

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>not what you think I am. I am what I

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>think you think I am, which means we live in

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a perception of a perception of ourselves. So if I

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>think mel thinks I'm not smart, then I don't think

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm smart. So it's not even reality, it's not even

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>factually proven or checked or tested. By the way everything

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 2>in the let them theory, this book is literally every thought,

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 2>those seventy thousand thoughts, that's what you're addressing in.

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>This book gets rid of this fear.

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it literally does, because I was talking. I've talked

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>to at least three friends this week, and all of

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>them are concerned by either heyj I'm thinking about posting

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>a video on social media. I'm scared of what people

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 2>will think. So that's for their professional or their passion. Right.

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I've got another friend who's worried that a lot of

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 2>our other friends are talking about him negatively because he's

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 2>recently fallen out with them, Okay, and so he's worried, like,

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:54.839
<v Speaker 2>what are they saying they're all talking to each other,

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.399
<v Speaker 2>what rumors are they spreading about me? Like, maybe it's

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>not true. And the thing that holding onto is they

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>just can't let they can't let them, and it's.

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>No, but they can ye See, I don't think they

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.720
<v Speaker 1>have the tool. See, here's the thing. If you're worried

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that people are gossiping about you, let them let them

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>gossip about you. Here's why you can't control it.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna happen anyway.

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And so if you can't control it, why on

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>earth would you allow any time or energy to be wasted.

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>It's an act of self torture. So if you are

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.319
<v Speaker 1>worried that people are gossiping about you, first of all,

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>let them gossip about you, because they're going to do

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 1>what they're going to do, because you cannot change what

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 1>other people do. You can't control what they think. You

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>can't control what they do. If they're going to gossip,

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 1>they're going to gossip. So let them gossip. And when

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you say that, it's a relief because you actually acknowledge

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you've been afraid of, and it's like

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you're allowing it without allowing it. But then, don't forget

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you have power.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Let me.

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Remind myself that I get to choose what I think

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>about myself. I get to decide what I do and

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>what I don't do, whether or not I respond or not,

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and I get to decide who I spend time with.

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>And so the bigger question becomes, if you're busy worrying

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>about which means you're spending time and energy people who

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>are gossiping about you, why would you want to be

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>friends with them? And so now you take responsibility for

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 1>your own part in chasing people that aren't treating you

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>in a way that you deserve, and you recognize that

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the power here is in just letting people be. And

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.760
<v Speaker 1>when you let people be, your relationships get better because

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>people reveal who they are and where you stand. And

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.240
<v Speaker 1>then you get to choose how much time you spend

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 1>or not. And not everybody in your life deserves an explanation,

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't deserve a response necessary, and so you also

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>get to choose who you tell your story to, or

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>who you apologize to, or who how you respond to it.

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.399
<v Speaker 1>And that's where your power is. And I'm not saying

0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this makes it easy, because you're probably in a situation

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like that going to have to say let them, let them,

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 1>let them, And then you're gonna see them on social

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>media and you're gonna be like, should I black them?

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Should I not block them? Are they going to see

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>if I do that? Should I'm not going to let them?

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Let them live their lives, and if I want to

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>unfollow them, let me do that because I get to

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 1>choose what comes into my space or not. And when

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you start to really play around with this, because one

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of the big pushbacks that I that I've gotten in

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the research is what Am I just going to be

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>a dorm at im. I'll let people abuse me, I'll

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>let people. No, Actually it's the opposite, because you're probably

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>allowing it right now and then explaining it away. When

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you say let them, you're letting somebody's behavior speak, and

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>then you have to bring it back to yourself and say,

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I've got to let them reveal who they are are.

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And if this person keeps gaslighting me or not including me,

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>now I've got to ask myself, is this actually the

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>relationship for me?

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Well? Do you think we expect too much from people?

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I do.

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody's really busy and life is very overwhelming,

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and you have no idea what's going on in other

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 1>people's lives. And we've gotten to a point in today's

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 1>world where if I text you, I expect Jay to respond,

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 1>and if Jay doesn't respond, then I make it mean

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 1>something about Jay or me. And I hate that because

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't give people grace. We're constantly expecting people to

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 1>show up a certain way and then judging them when

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>they don't, instead of stopping to consider that other people

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>have lives and other people have a lot of things

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>going on, and sometimes when people go silent on you,

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it has nothing to do with you. It has to

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>do with a crazy busy period in life, or it

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>has to do with the fact that something's going on

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>with their family and they're so drained at the end

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of the day that the last thing they want to

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>do is talk to anybody. And so I do think

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>we expect too much because relationships feel very like transactional.

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>You do this for me, I do this for you.

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I text you, you better text me back. Now, there

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.479
<v Speaker 1>are rules in terms of just being courteous to people

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and being gracious to people. But I'm deeply concerned Jay

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>about the rise of both estrangement. I'm concerned about the

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 1>amount of posts that go viral about you know, I

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>got my life better because I cut all the talks

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:48.359
<v Speaker 1>of people out and I stop and think always, well,

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>did you have a conversation about what was bothering you?

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Because if you just ghost other people or you use

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the silent treatment, that's actually punishing somebody and that's extremely immature. Actually,

0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it means you can't handle your own emotions, which is

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>why you don't have a hard conversation about what you

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.839
<v Speaker 1>need or how someone's behavior is impacting you, and if

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you haven't had that, it's a very immature move to

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>just cut somebody off. And so I get very worried

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>about the labeling of people as toxic and about the

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>ease at which people seem to just drop people. And

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>what I really love about the let them theory is

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that it opens up the window to a lot more compassion,

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 1>because we're quick to think that if somebody hasn't texted

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you back, or you've texted somebody a couple times and

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>they haven't responded, that you did something bad. And it's

0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>perfectly fine to be like, did I do something?

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I noticed you haven't responded? Is everything okay? If they

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 1>don't respond, then then something's probably wrong, either with them

0:49:57.200 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 1>or with you, and you get to decide what you're

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>going to do next. But I am worried about the

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>combination of people being isolated, of people spending way too

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 1>much time on their phones instead of with each other,

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and that we've gotten very transactional with one another, and

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to forget that people have a lot going

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>on and they're not thinking about you as much as

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about them, and just because you have time

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to text them, doesn't mean they have time right now

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to text you back. And I guarantee you when they

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>saw your text, they probably thought, oh my god, I

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 1>love it. You know, I got a and then something

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.879
<v Speaker 1>came up, and so I do worry about it, Jay,

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I do think we have too much of an expectation

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of something in return. And when you start to use

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:43.920
<v Speaker 1>this theory, what you're also going to notice is this,

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>when you start to say let them, you will notice

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that maybe you're the sibling that reaches out more. And

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it might bother you because when you say let them

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and you keep reaching out and they don't reach out,

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>or you have a group of friends and you notice

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.760
<v Speaker 1>that when you stop reaching out or making the plans,

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that you're not included in theirs, and that hurts. The

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>thing I used to do when that happened is I

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>would make it about me. I would make it like

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>some deficiency in me and what I've learned using the

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>let them theory and really just saying let them, which

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>detaches from the hurt, It detaches from the judgment. It

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.959
<v Speaker 1>reminds you that adults are allowed to live their lives,

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Adults are allowed to come and go in friendship. They're

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.919
<v Speaker 1>allowed to prioritize certain people at certain times. They're allowed

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to have busy periods at work. They're allowed to fall

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in and out of communication. And the more you let

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 1>people live their lives, the better your life gets and

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the more compassionate of a human being you become. And

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the more I've started to recognize, oh wait, like my

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>social life is my responsibility. If I have a group

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of friends where if I make the plans, everybody's included,

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 1>but if I sit back, I'm never invited. Then now

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I got an exam and am I investing in the

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 1>right group of friends? Or you might also wake up

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and realize, well, maybe I just like really like introverted people,

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 1>but I'm the party planner and that's my role in life.

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>And instead of you being transactional, you actually recognize the

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>gift that it is to people. Right, And you know,

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it sucks that maybe your siblings get together because they

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 1>live closer and they don't include you, and it does hurt,

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.959
<v Speaker 1>and feeling a little bit of pain like that means

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>your mind and body is working properly. It's a sign

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:35.319
<v Speaker 1>that you're mentally well. It doesn't mean there's a sign

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that there's anything wrong with you. And so when you

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>can say let them, and then you say let me,

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 1>let me decide what I want to do about this,

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 1>you can have the conversation and you might realize that

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 1>they just click and you don't have as close as

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 1>a relationship. But then you get to decide how you

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.439
<v Speaker 1>value family and if you're going to bring different energy

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>or if you're going to try a little bit harder,

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>because again, you get to choose. And when you realize

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 1>how much power you have, you see that through you

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the way you think about it or you respond to it,

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you actually can shift anything for the better for sure.

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm really excited about this. I wrote this actually

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>with my daughter who's twenty five, and it was an

0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 1>amazing experience because she was bringing a much different perspective

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and when we wrote the section about how you use

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to let them theory with love, she started researching the

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 1>breakup section because the fact about love is people choose

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 1>who and how they love, and sometimes they won't choose you.

0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 1>But you also get to choose who and how you

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.439
<v Speaker 1>love and how you're going to create it, and people

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 1>forget that. And so we get to the part about

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 1>when a relationship is ending and her boyfriend of two

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>years breaks up with her, and she's book like, this

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>is horse, you rip this stuff. I have to let

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a walk out the door. I have to let to

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 1>believe it. There's a bullshit of it, like just like

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And it was this unbelievable experience because when somebody that

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you love is grieving or going through heartbreak or struggling,

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you would jump in front of a car to take

0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 1>their pain away. And the let them theory and the

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 1>experience of this book taught me that the best thing

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I could do was to let her grieve, to let

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:42.280
<v Speaker 1>her be heartbroken, to let her go through her process.

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think about it this way, like arm

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 1>around somebody. You're not blocking and tackling. You've got your

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:52.280
<v Speaker 1>arm around somebody. But if she's on the floor sobbing,

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>letter because she needs to, you know, if we need

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to remove the photos from the family thing because this

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:02.240
<v Speaker 1>is a two year long relalationship, because that is actually

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a huge recommendation that I make in this book that

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got to follow a thirty day rule of zero contact,

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>zero photos, zero videos, because you're not just letting them leave.

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:18.839
<v Speaker 1>You have to unlearn the patterns of your life. Yes,

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 1>that were with them. It's a withdrawal like anything else. Yes,

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:28.759
<v Speaker 1>And any sign of that person actually triggers the old

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 1>patterns in your nervous system and it delays your ability

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to move through it absolutely, And it's impossible when you're

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in it to just let them move on because every

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>part of your wiring and programming, you're going to want

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:45.799
<v Speaker 1>to check their location. You're going to want to listen

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.280
<v Speaker 1>to the voice memos, You're going to want to saturate

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 1>yourself because the life that you wanted is over and

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you're either going to trap yourself in a life that

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you're no longer in by watching their life play out

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 1>from afar, and you're going to keep re triggering these

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 1>patterns in your nervous system because you're going to keep

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.879
<v Speaker 1>this person in your life even though they walked out

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the door, which is why you have to let them.

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.879
<v Speaker 1>And then you've got to let me do the hard part,

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 1>which is I get to choose how I'm going to

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>move through this. And the research is also really empowering.

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>It gets better for the majority of people. Seventy one

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.479
<v Speaker 1>percent of people start to feel better by eleven weeks.

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 2>That's that's not eleven weeks.

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Eleven weeks, and you may feel better in eleven days.

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:35.360
<v Speaker 2>What happens at eleven weeks.

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>What happens at eleven weeks if you're not cyberstalking somebody,

0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:44.360
<v Speaker 1>is that you've actually allowed your body to break the

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>old patterns. See the reason why when you're going through

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.919
<v Speaker 1>a heartbreak, and heartbreak and breakups are just like death.

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.959
<v Speaker 1>That's what they are for sure, because you're grieving what's

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>no longer there.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 2>The life you have. Yes, and.

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Aside from the thirty day rule, which is remove like

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 1>do not look at voice, memos, location, social nothing, no photos,

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.840
<v Speaker 1>because it triggers everything to stay alive in you. But

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 1>during those thirty days, what's going to happen is every

0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:14.960
<v Speaker 1>time you wake up, you're going to feel them there.

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Because your body remembers. That doesn't mean that's a sign

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you should get back together. That's actually a sign that

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you're unlearning something. Let those memories come up. Let your

0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 1>nervous system process this. Every time you have news in

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 1>your life, you're going to want to reach out to them.

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Why because that was the pattern. That doesn't mean you should.

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>So you've got to do the let them leave and

0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 1>let me remind myself, I'm going through this process, and

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>every day that you do that, you're actually unlearning these patterns,

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and by the time you get to about thirty days,

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you feel less intoxicated. Another huge recommendation is do something

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>in your bedroom, like paint a wall, move the bed,

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>do something, because you spent a lot of time there,

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 1>so walking back into it is like a graveyard of

0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:03.920
<v Speaker 1>your old life and it can be very triggering. And

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.640
<v Speaker 1>so she did that, And the eleven week mark is

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>important because what's happening is you're now starting to create

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 1>new patterns as you've let them leave. You're now letting

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:22.160
<v Speaker 1>me move on. You're letting me take the actions that

0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.520
<v Speaker 1>show me that my life is moving forward. And my

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>therapist and Davin, who's the smartest woman of human being

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I've ever met, she said, you know, now, the thing

0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 1>for Sawyer to ask herself is if she knew that

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the love of her life were literally just a couple

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 1>months away, what would you do right now with this

0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>period of time? And when you think about it that way,

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>because again, as long as you're holding on to somebody

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:57.520
<v Speaker 1>who already left, you actually are not open to meeting

0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:58.120
<v Speaker 1>anybody else.

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 2>That is beautiful, that idea of what would you look like,

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 2>what would you be thinking? Yeah, how would you behave

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 2>if the love of your life was two months away?

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or two years ago or a year away or whatever.

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Crazy?

0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>See, because we think because when somebody leaves that you love,

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 1>you think you're unlovable. You actually think you're never gonna

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 1>find it again. You hate yourself. That's why most of

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the advice about this is complete bullshit. Go love yourself.

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>How am I going to go love myself and the

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.440
<v Speaker 1>person I love more than anything just left me? I

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 1>hate myself. I despise myself. I am terrified of the

0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>day that they're going to meet somebody. I'm never gonna

0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:42.440
<v Speaker 1>find that again. I'm never going to have sex like

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:47.200
<v Speaker 1>that again. I'm not like you hate yourself and so

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>telling somebody to just go on a revenge diet or

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>leon love yourself it's horrible. Instead, I want you to

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>face reality they left, let them and then let me

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.920
<v Speaker 1>grieve and follow my therapist and Davin's advice. You have

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to do a thirty day detox, and if you are

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody that's been holding on to somebody that left a

1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>year ago, I guarantee you you have not gone thirty

1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.480
<v Speaker 1>days without listening to a voice memo or looking at

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 1>a photo. You are keeping them alive, which is keeping

1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:23.080
<v Speaker 1>you trapped in something that's dead. And your inability to

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:27.520
<v Speaker 1>let them go and let them leave, and then let

1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:32.400
<v Speaker 1>me accept reality and start moving forward, and let me

1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 1>believe that the person that I am meant to meet

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they are in the future. They're not in my past.

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, even if you kind of hold

1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:45.960
<v Speaker 1>out secretly hope it might be the person from the past,

1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:49.520
<v Speaker 1>it might be, but they're not the version from back there,

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and neither are you, and neither are you, and so

1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you have to again come back to where the power is.

1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:58.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not in getting them back. It's not in making

1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.960
<v Speaker 1>them jealous, because if you focus, I'm making that person

1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:05.040
<v Speaker 1>jealous or what? But where are you putting your power then?

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.600
<v Speaker 1>And something you can't control, You have to put your

1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:11.560
<v Speaker 1>power here. And the reason why I love the thirty

1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:13.920
<v Speaker 1>day rule in the eleven week mark is because it's

1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the truth. This is going to suck. The only way

1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to get over someone and to go through heartbreak is

1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to go through it. There's no avoiding it. There's only

1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>delaying it, and we delay it because we don't want

1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to accept people as they are. When somebody breaks up

1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and leaves or cheats on you, they have just revealed

1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:38.240
<v Speaker 1>who they are for sure, and your inability to accept

1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it instead of explaining it away and living in a

1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:45.560
<v Speaker 1>fantasy up here, that's what's keeping you from having and

1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 1>creating the love you actually deserve and want in your life.

1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to a friend recently, and everything you're

1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:53.640
<v Speaker 2>saying is just so true and it's resonating so strongly

1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.320
<v Speaker 2>to me. I was doing to a friend recently and

1:01:56.480 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 2>she was saying to me, I wish my friend would

1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:04.640
<v Speaker 2>just be honest with me. I wish this person who's

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:07.360
<v Speaker 2>just screwed me over, just let me down, would just

1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:10.440
<v Speaker 2>be honest with me rather than pretending to be my friend.

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And I said to them, they are being honest with you.

1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Them lying is showing you their truth. That's how much

1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.680
<v Speaker 2>they value you. Them pretending to be your friend is

1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:24.680
<v Speaker 2>their truth. You don't want the truth. Actually, you want

1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:26.840
<v Speaker 2>them to lie to you, and you want them to

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<v Speaker 2>be someone else. You want them to become the honest person.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're showing you that they're not an honest person.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. And here's the other thing. Why are you

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be this person's friend and not bringing it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it on them to tell you the truth?

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<v Speaker 1>Let them lie to you and then come to the

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<v Speaker 1>let me part. If aren't you pretending that you're their friend?

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't brought this up, and you're actually holding

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<v Speaker 1>that in your head, right, there are so many applications

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<v Speaker 1>of this, so many, it's just credible. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm really really excited about is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other massive thing that I think this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to help people with is that one other way that

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<v Speaker 1>you make people a massive problem is that you see

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else's success or happiness or the things that they

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<v Speaker 1>achieve in their life is somehow robbing you of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing about life is that you're never playing

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<v Speaker 1>against people. You play with them. And somebody else's success, happiness, love,

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<v Speaker 1>like the things that they achieve, it's in limitless supply.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you wrap your brain around the fact that happiness, love, money,

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<v Speaker 1>like all of it limitless supply, so other people can't

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<v Speaker 1>block your way. They actually lead the way. And so

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<v Speaker 1>if you let them lead the way, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>their wins not as your losses, but you see it

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<v Speaker 1>as an example to follow. You Now, stop making other

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<v Speaker 1>people a problem, and you stop using them as an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse for why you can't do what you're capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>Other People don't block you, you block your way. Allow

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<v Speaker 1>people to lead the way, and the way that you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you say, let them be successful, let them

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<v Speaker 1>get married, let them have the baby, let them have

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<v Speaker 1>the nice car. Because they're showing me what's possible. And

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<v Speaker 1>the cool thing about really embracing let them in that

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<v Speaker 1>regard is that other people also show you the formula. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they show you exactly how to do something. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're so busy going, oh well, Jane launched a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and there's too many podcasts Now, I can't launch a podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's blocking you? Correct? You're capable of learning to be

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<v Speaker 1>a better player in the game of life from other people, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so stop playing against them and let them show you

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<v Speaker 1>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why is it so hard to make friends as

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<v Speaker 2>we get out of.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a massive shift that happens in adult friendship

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<v Speaker 1>when you hit twenty that nobody sees coming. The rules

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<v Speaker 1>of friendship completely change when your twenties hit and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to explain the rules when you're little, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the rules of adult friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're little, your entire life is organized around

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<v Speaker 1>friendship and making it possible because you're with people your

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<v Speaker 1>age all the time in class, in sports, true, you

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<v Speaker 1>move in groups because you're on teams and you're in

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods and you're always together. You also celebrate the same milestones.

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<v Speaker 1>You're hitting the same birthdays. You're all talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>next level of school or this thing this summer. You're

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<v Speaker 1>watching the same movies because you're all the same age,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's so much synergy and relevance and the

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<v Speaker 1>conditions to spend a ton of time together are there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get to university and you spend even more

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<v Speaker 1>time together. And what happens when you hit your twenties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it moves from this big group sport where

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<v Speaker 1>you just kind of expect to be around your friends

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. You expect the group to get invited

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what's always happened. You expect to see them

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<v Speaker 1>all the time because you do always see them all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But then your twenties hit, the rules change

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<v Speaker 1>and what I call the Great Scattering happens. Everybody moves

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<v Speaker 1>in different directions and friendship goes from group sport to

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<v Speaker 1>individual sport. You can no longer expect friendship. You are

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<v Speaker 1>no longer part of a group that is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be invited everywhere because everybody scatters and suddenly everybody's on

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<v Speaker 1>different timelines. You're in different cities, you're moving in different directions,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no way to locate yourself inside your friend group.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only thing that's keeping you together from your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>from your little is a text chain that starts to

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<v Speaker 1>go quieter and quieter, a quieter as people start to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the people in front of them. And that

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<v Speaker 1>brings me to two major shifts that I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace using the let them theory. Number one, you

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer expect friendship. You have to take a

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<v Speaker 1>way more flexible approach and a more proactive approach. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to let people come and go super important, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you've got to let me take the actions to

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<v Speaker 1>create the friendships. I got to go first. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to be the one planning. I got to seek out

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<v Speaker 1>new people. But there are three pillars of adult friendship

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<v Speaker 1>based on research that are also going to help you

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<v Speaker 1>understand that when people come and go in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent of the time, it's not personal and

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<v Speaker 1>you actually haven't lost them as a friend. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the three pillars is missing. So the three things that

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<v Speaker 1>need to be required to have a friendship happen are

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<v Speaker 1>the same three things that were around all the time

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<v Speaker 1>when you were a kid. Number one, proximity. Proximity matters tremendously.

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<v Speaker 1>Proximity means who are you actually physically next to. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they've done research, Jay, if you and I were in

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<v Speaker 1>a dorm and we lived across the hall, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the percentages exactly, but it's like ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent chance we're going to be friends interesting the poor

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<v Speaker 1>person at the end of the hallway ten percent chance

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to be friends with them because of proximity,

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<v Speaker 1>even a matter of fifty feet makes a difference. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when you were little, you were in proximity to

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<v Speaker 1>people your age all the time exactly. The research also

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<v Speaker 1>shows that to have as an adult a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>casual friend, you need to spend approximately seventy hours with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to have a close friend two hundred hours. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you're an adult, that creates a big problem because

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<v Speaker 1>who are you spending all your time with once you're

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<v Speaker 1>twenty The American time study shows that it's with people

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<v Speaker 1>you work with. So why aren't we best friends with

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<v Speaker 1>people at work because you have proximity and you're spending

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time together. But here's the thing, timing.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were little, you were in the same timing

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<v Speaker 1>of life with everybody. When you hit your twenties and

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<v Speaker 1>it's now individual, everybody's on different timelines. Some of your

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<v Speaker 1>friends are getting married, some are going to graduate school,

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<v Speaker 1>some are now pursuing jobs. Other people are moving out

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<v Speaker 1>of the city into the city. Everybody's timing is now different.

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<v Speaker 1>And this also explains why you're almost never best friends

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<v Speaker 1>with people at work because the timing is off. You're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting next to people that are in very different times

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<v Speaker 1>of their life. You may like them a lot, and

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<v Speaker 1>you may be friends, but you never spend time outside

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<v Speaker 1>of work because they're at home with their family and

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<v Speaker 1>you're going out with your bodies your age on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that brings me to the third thing that

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be present for a friendship to truly click.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's energy. And the thing about energy is it changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can have fantastic energy with somebody, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if you decide you're not drinking anymore, the energys off.

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<v Speaker 1>If you decide to get really focused on fitness, the

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<v Speaker 1>energy is off. If you have very different political beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>the energy is off. It's not personal. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>these three pillars. And it has helped me so profoundly

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<v Speaker 1>Jay to realize that people come and go and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing and you should let them. And you

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<v Speaker 1>should really if you have a friendship that starts to dissipate, right,

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself before you blame them or you blame you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are any one of these three pillars missing? Are we

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<v Speaker 1>not near each other anymore? Is the timing of our

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<v Speaker 1>lives off? Is there just something about the energy that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't clicked? Because you can't force those things. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I've found is that when you recognize that those are

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<v Speaker 1>really important factors to your connection to someone else, that

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<v Speaker 1>if a friendship starts to fade, for me, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>easy to say let them. And I don't wish anybody bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally wish people well because the other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned, and you know, being fifty six, I've had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of friends come and go in different phases

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<v Speaker 1>of my life that you would be startled by how

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<v Speaker 1>many people from your past that you no longer quote

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<v Speaker 1>consider friends because you haven't seen them in a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time, or things just got weird. If you actually

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<v Speaker 1>called them, they'd pick up the phone if you texted them.

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<v Speaker 1>The research shows that when you get a surprise text

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody that you haven't heard from in a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of joy that you feel. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to consider, if you're very lonely right now,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's actually probably hundreds of people from your past

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<v Speaker 1>that still consider you a friend. And if you take

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<v Speaker 1>the approach that I'm talking about, which is friendship is

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<v Speaker 1>your responsibility, you need to go first, let me create

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<v Speaker 1>the friendship and the connection that I want. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can start by literally taking a look through your past

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking about people that you remember fondly and just

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<v Speaker 1>sending them a text, and you will be startled by

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<v Speaker 1>what comes back because they're there, they haven't actually gone anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>The connection is still there. And oftentimes even if you've

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<v Speaker 1>had somebody where something's been off again, let them and

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<v Speaker 1>wish them well, and there will be a time, I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you, where the timing or proximity or energy comes

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<v Speaker 1>back around again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and often you're so right. When as I'm listening

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<v Speaker 2>to your talk, I'm just thinking of how conscious we

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<v Speaker 2>have to be with all of our relationships, the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that matter to us, the ones that we want to

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<v Speaker 2>invest in. And it's what you said there was we

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<v Speaker 2>were actually dealt such a tough card in the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that basically from the moment you joined school at four

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<v Speaker 2>till the moment you were twenty one, if you went

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<v Speaker 2>to college, you basically didn't have to make really any

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<v Speaker 2>major decisions or think about the next step because you

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<v Speaker 2>went from seventh grade to eighth grade, to ninth grade

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever it is, right, And so then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you're in the world at twenty one, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or eighteen if you didn't go to college, and you

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden now have to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>to do for the next fifty sixty years.

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<v Speaker 1>All structure of your life just that just disappears because

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<v Speaker 1>there is no structure and it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I'm hearing you talk, it sounds like to

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<v Speaker 2>me that it would have been harder to watch your

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<v Speaker 2>daughter have to practice to let them theory than it

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<v Speaker 2>is for you to practice to let them theory yes

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<v Speaker 2>when she was going through her business. Would you say,

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<v Speaker 2>that's in your deep vicinity of people that you're close

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<v Speaker 2>with the hardest way you've had to practice to let

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<v Speaker 2>them do yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The hardest way is when you recognize the potential in

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<v Speaker 1>somebody and you see them struggling, and when you recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody that you love deeply is in pain. When

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying let them, you're not abandoning somebody. You're actually

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing their ability to meet these difficult moments in their

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<v Speaker 1>life with you by their side. And I think when

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<v Speaker 1>I think about supporting versus enabling, because the more you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of step in and rescue people from their feelings

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<v Speaker 1>or from the consequences of their decisions or their inaction,

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<v Speaker 1>the more people continue to drown in their problems. I

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<v Speaker 1>really believe that I do too.

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a very very difficult balance because you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hit your frustration and rock bottom and worry with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody before they do, and somebody said something in the

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<v Speaker 1>Addiction Commune. I can't remember who said this, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just is so true that somebody only gets sober when

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<v Speaker 1>getting drunk is harder than facing the thing that they

1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:32.519
<v Speaker 1>don't want to face. And the same is true with

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<v Speaker 1>anything like really motivating yourself to get in better shape,

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing that you have a pattern of dating people that

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<v Speaker 1>are emotionally abusive, and taking a break and really digging

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the issue that keeps coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Up for you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really hard. That's why we avoid it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when you see somebody that you know is capable or

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<v Speaker 1>who deserves better, wanting that for them is a form

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<v Speaker 1>of loving them like you should and want the people

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<v Speaker 1>in your life that you care about to be doing better,

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<v Speaker 1>and you I hate seeing somebody with so much potential

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<v Speaker 1>squandering it. But again, I'm going to come back to

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<v Speaker 1>something that I learned from doctor Stewart Ablon at mass

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<v Speaker 1>General Hospital. People do well in the can and I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to start to assume that if somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>your life is not doing well, or if they're going

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<v Speaker 1>through a challenge, there is a skill that's missing, or

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<v Speaker 1>there is emotion that needs to be processed, or there

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<v Speaker 1>is pain that needs to be felt before they can

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<v Speaker 1>galvanize the ability to do the very difficult work to change.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the case of watching my daughter go through

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<v Speaker 1>this heartbreak, I mean I literally found myself Jay wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to text you know, her boyfriend, her boyfriend's mother are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, maybe we can like just because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to fix it. But when you step in and

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<v Speaker 1>fix it, you literally demean someone else. Because I do

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<v Speaker 1>know that she has the ability to move through this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the way that I love thinking about support

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<v Speaker 1>is this way. The next time you have somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>your life who is truly struggling, whether it's in school,

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<v Speaker 1>or in relationships or with an addiction, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to think, how can I create an environment that supports

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<v Speaker 1>their healing, not stepping in and doing it. It's rarely

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<v Speaker 1>an issue of will like It's not willpower for people

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<v Speaker 1>or the desire. It's actually more about skill and the

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<v Speaker 1>ability and need to process things and do it on

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<v Speaker 1>their own timeline. So how can you create an environment

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<v Speaker 1>for that to happen? And for me, it meant removing

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<v Speaker 1>any imagery. It meant letting her stay up in her

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom and every once in a while knocking on the

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<v Speaker 1>door and being like, do you need anything, and allowing

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<v Speaker 1>her to be in her pajamas for four days and

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<v Speaker 1>be in a depressive state, because guess what, being in

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<v Speaker 1>a depressive state and falling on the floor and crying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sign she's mentally well, that's what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sign that you're okay. Yes, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>scary if she wasn't feeling anything, And then when you're ready,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of put your arm around people and say

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<v Speaker 1>how can you do this? When she was born, actually sawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>I had severe postpartum depression. Jay I had a very

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic delivery, lost a lot of blood, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>was so out of it that they put me on

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<v Speaker 1>these drugs that turned me into a zombie. I couldn't breastfeeder.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to be alone with her. I missed

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<v Speaker 1>the first three and a half months of her life,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody asked me if I needed help. They showed

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<v Speaker 1>up and created an environment where I could get better.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my parents drive out and just stay and

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<v Speaker 1>they just did laundry and they cleaned and they did

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<v Speaker 1>what needed to be done. And people who are struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even know what they need, and so don't

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<v Speaker 1>ask somebody what you can do. Find something you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Show up with the meal, walk into your brother's bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>and pull open the curtains in the morning when he's

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with depressions so the sunlight comes in. Create a

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<v Speaker 1>playlist for somebody pick him up. Like, don't say you

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<v Speaker 1>want to meet at yoga. Say here's what we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. I'm going to come over on Saturday and

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<v Speaker 1>pick you up and we're going to go to that

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<v Speaker 1>yoga class. Or I'm going to come over on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to watch the kids and the dog

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go to the park and read a

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<v Speaker 1>book for two hours. That's how you create an environment

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<v Speaker 1>for someone else to get better. And the other way

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<v Speaker 1>that you do it is instead of judging, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to let them be who they are. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>let them struggle, and then you're going to use this

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<v Speaker 1>technique that's incredibly effective. I labeled at the ABC so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can remember it. First, you're going to apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about like, this is an issue I

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<v Speaker 1>had with our son. He didn't seem motivated, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would constantly be like why aren't you motivated? Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you study hard? Why are you doing this? It didn't work?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And so I finally A you're going to apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm pressuring you, I'm sorry, I'm questioning you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then A you're going to ask an open ended question,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about this issue? And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what they say, because you're probably asking for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time how they actually feel about the issue. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you're going to ask a really important question. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask what would you like to do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>If anything? And their answers don't matter because what you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing by apologizing is you're removing the pressure that you're bringing.

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<v Speaker 1>And now by asking these questions, and I like to

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<v Speaker 1>do this in a car Jay because they're trapped and

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<v Speaker 1>because you're both looking ahead, so it's not as confrontational,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's something in the science around forward ambulation and

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<v Speaker 1>the movement that actually opens up your thinking. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you ask, you know, what do you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>about it? If anything? And what happens is you're now

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<v Speaker 1>revealing this tension because people that are stuck know it,

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<v Speaker 1>people that are struggling know it. People who are failing

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<v Speaker 1>at school know it. Nobody wants to fail. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like people are trying to be depressed. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>people are trying to be very unhealthy. People know when

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<v Speaker 1>they're letting themselves go. You don't need to remind them.

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<v Speaker 1>But have you ever asked them what would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to do about this? If anything, what happens in that question,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they answered or not, is that friction between what

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<v Speaker 1>they know to be true about what they desire and

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<v Speaker 1>where they actually are rises up. That is the organizing

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<v Speaker 1>intrinsic motivation that somebody needs to want to do better.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you've got to do beat back off. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the hard part. Let them, let them, let them, let them,

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<v Speaker 1>let me shut up, let them, let them, let me

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<v Speaker 1>not rollin eyes, let me. And people need space to

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<v Speaker 1>have it be their idea. And I'll give you a

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<v Speaker 1>quick example. I used to be the kind of person

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<v Speaker 1>that would eat like they would eat lunch and work

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<v Speaker 1>on my computer and like tapping on my computer, shoving

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<v Speaker 1>a sandwich on my throat right. And there would be

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<v Speaker 1>this colleague that would stand up and go for a

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<v Speaker 1>walk most days, and every time she came back she'd

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<v Speaker 1>have a smile on her face, and she take her

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<v Speaker 1>earbuds off, and she'd then get back to work. And

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<v Speaker 1>this would go on for weeks, and then finally one day, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>I look up outside and it's a nice day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think I'm gonna go for a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the interesting thing. I didn't credit her. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was my idea. Her example influenced my desire

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. The people that you are close to

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<v Speaker 1>need enough distance from you. This is why you have

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<v Speaker 1>to back off for that friction, Yeah, and that stirring

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<v Speaker 1>to sit with them in order for them to feel safe,

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to take the step forward. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you better keep back and off because you do not

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<v Speaker 1>want to be like, oh I saw you in mentor

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<v Speaker 1>in your tet, like that's going to no. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you keep going let them. And then the sea part

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<v Speaker 1>is any small thing, you celebrate it in a non

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<v Speaker 1>passive aggressive way, and you actually model the change. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't ask somebody to stop drinking while you're pouring yourself

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of wine, for sure. You can't ask somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else to get healthy if you're sitting on the couch

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<v Speaker 1>eating chips. So you model the change and make it easy,

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<v Speaker 1>just like my colleague did with the Walk, and just

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<v Speaker 1>like you and I constantly buy things online because it

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<v Speaker 1>looks so easy and fun. Your behavior in backing off

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<v Speaker 1>and that tension inside them actually creates the space for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to truly want to change, and that's how it's

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<v Speaker 1>done well.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you so deeply for writing this book.

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<v Speaker 2>They Let Them theory a life changing tool that millions

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<v Speaker 2>of people can stop talking about it. It's true, Mel

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned so much from you today, honestly, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>connected so many dots to me. I know I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to be recommending this book to so many people in

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<v Speaker 2>my life because I really believe it's the thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>holding them back. Yeah, I want to thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>writing it. I want to thank you for pouring your

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<v Speaker 2>heart into it. I want to thank you for just

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<v Speaker 2>showing up so brilliantly and emphatically today as you always do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just so grateful to call you a friend

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<v Speaker 2>and grateful to know you in this journey called life,

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<v Speaker 2>and genuinely so thankful that you're constantly trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>really simple, practical tools that all of us can apply

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<v Speaker 2>in our lives to make it easier and make it

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more livable, but also thrive. So thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. Truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not as smart as you, Jay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do the intellectual stuff. I gotta find simple things.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I have to tell you I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate simple and beautiful and I truly accept and feel

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<v Speaker 1>how heartfelt and honest those words are. Because this is

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<v Speaker 1>I think my legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this is the thing I was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out and leave the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it too. Thank you, Thank you the best.

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<v Speaker 2>If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Gabo Matte on understanding your trauma and how to

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<v Speaker 2>heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything in nature grows only where it's vulnerable. So a

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<v Speaker 1>tree doesn't go o where it's hard and thick, does it.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes where it's soft and green and vulnerable.